One thing that I never thought of, but they brought it up on that post, was the integration of Maschine into Traktor Scratch Pro. Now, that would be sick and it would go almost, but not quite, as to head to head with The Bridge.

But, if NI was to integrate some of their other plugins into TSP, wow! I have no idea what to even say.

Well i say good luck to NI doing that.

They did copy features, but that is a good thing because scratch live was falling behind with stuff that was already in other dvs's. Now, SSL is on par, plus surpassed these other systems with the new Ableton collaboration.

Or listen to the end users? Which was it?

Yea Torq and Traktor had advanced features, for a few years but I really don't think that Rane/Serato were sitting on their laurels. I think the delay was working on stability and GUI design. Seems like the others rush to get it to market then try to fix issues after it's been in the wild. Then they scramble and frustrate the end user by fixing a work in progress. IMHO

I don't get why it's a competition. Who cares which software is better, as long as it works for you?

rs

I was talking to people from Serato at the Get Down and one person mentioned the late timing. You hit the nail right on the head. Didnt want to rush into it and have it fail due to poor quality.

^precisely. the whole 'serato copied traktor' nonsense is just that; nonsense, fx were inevitible and is a natural progression, as are more decks, smart crates etc.. these features were always going to be present in V2 if Traktor existed or not since they are the logical step up.

Difference is here is that Serato spent 5/6 years getting the basics right first, whereas Traktor never thought that was necessary and look at the bloated mess it is now.

I definitely would not consider V2.0 of SSL just a catch up update to other DVS's out there.
the simple reason being, the serato developers obviously don't bother putting anything out until the are confident it is going to work. Unlike a lot of other DVS software that lets the user discover bugs when their laptop packs up for the night mid-set.

I just started reading the thread linked after already responding....

"I'm p*ssed. Not because they copied lots of Traktor features but because of the bridge! Ableton live sets inside Serato! It looks AWESOME.

Another nice feature they added which lots of Traktor users have been asking for a long time is the ability to change the deck view around. Smart playlists too...

Don't get me wrong I love Traktor but Serato really do listen to their users."

Pissed off because serato have basically taken the perfect software to a whole new level? yeh, i'd be pissed too.

I love the way they refer to Serato as 'catching up" with traktor....traktor may have more features but really, we all chose scratch live for a reason even though we knew traktor could do more feature-wise(and crash more)

Love the way second page the mods have deleted some comments obviously saying NI support is useless too.

Torq is based on ableton live.
serato collaborated with the ableton live team.

That would ruffle a few guys feathers over here.

I have one DJ friend that i consider a real electronic music DJ... he has the same view of Serato...

Personally... I don't care. I like Serato and will continue to use it.

lmfao did u read what AVARAY "Unless you are ancient turntable DJ with lack of interest"

LOL @ all the "what is a Serato" comments.

WTF is a Tractor? A big clunky piece of farm equipment that moves at a blistering speed 8 miles per hour.

Too funny.

Now now, it goes 10 mph not 8, u got to give it credit, and it also can do the lawn.....

I'd imagine it fertilizes it too with all the shit it hauls.

i wonder if other "musicians" like for example people who play the guitar, sit around all day trashing all the people who use guitars not made by the same company that makes their own......wouldnt it be awsome if everyone would just picked what worked for them the best and not be so obsessed about what everyone else is using...:)

these guys are so dumb they are gonna talk out the corner of there jays and say something like this

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I find it great for development, so that NI gets some competition, motivation. Serato is/was 2-3 years behind NI, the Ableton hook up is their chance not to loose the rest of market they were consistently loosing.
When I looked for, tested DJ softwares, there were at least 3-4 other that I would take over Serato. Unless you are ancient turntable DJ with lack of interest, abilities, desire or will to do something new, different and work the same old way , minus carrying the crates - Serato has little appeal.

I've seen it.

But that's the whole joke about this thing, these cats are sitting around with no ammo so they gotta pick on a name? Of all the things to try and take shots at, since they couldn't take shots at the quality they pick on something so irrelevant such as a name. Shows me the mindset between the two different users. But if picking on a name was important, just the fact that the name Serato is creative vs. Traktor which is just....

Shows the kind of mindset behind the two different teams.

It's great that half the time we don't even know (or care) that they exist, yet they're having little imaginary pissing matches with themselves over the most irrelavent shit when it comes to the "other" product.

lol aint that the truth, ive popped through that forum once or twice just to look around and every thread either sounds like their justifing their purchase over serato of battling this fierce opponent for bragging rights, but over here the name pops up about once a week as a joke nothing more lol

LOL if I had to constantly justify to you guys why I bought Serato it would be time for me to rethink my purchase, because there's clearly some underlying issues if that's the case.

Pretty much described the entire DJ market. LOL

one-eyed fanboys on both sides.
you can't deny there are other DVS systems that have desirable features previously unavailable on serato.
many of you/us can't yet comment on the stability of 2.0 yet, so why so vehement?
I appreciate serato waiting til shit is stable, but to rubbish another company for having a feature prior to serato is pretty lawl.

In the valley of the blind the one eyed man is king.

lmao! i don't beleive that this is real....it stinks like publicity to me. i dont know how to use the quote feature, but this post in the referred to thread just sounds like someone working for one company trying to hype their own product....

"I'm p*ssed. Not because they copied lots of Traktor features but because of the bridge! Ableton live sets inside Serato! It looks AWESOME.

Another nice feature they added which lots of Traktor users have been asking for a long time is the ability to change the deck view around. Smart playlists too...

Don't get me wrong I love Traktor but Serato really do listen to their users.
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Also did anyone see the Numark V7? Looks very tasty. I could this that taking on the CDJ2000 if it is priced competitively. Lots like Serato have been clever in partnering Itch with hardware manufacturers."

Not if he's using Traktor.



























Nah, jokes.

www.native-instruments.com

Ahh so it starts. They want stuff like Serato, ya' know like 3 years old and stuff like only ancient turntable DJ with lack of interest, abilities, desire or will to do something new, different and work the same old way , minus carrying the crates would like.

Numark will never be in the same field as the Pioneer stuff, The Numark stuff is to unreliable IMO

i love serato and rane.... no homo

Numark has definitely stepped their game up recently. Although in regard to reliability I guess we'll have to wait and see.

ive had a few numark products and they havent given me 1 problem....not saying pioneer isnt lightyears ahead of them but there not as bad as people paint them

Just based off of my last experience with a NS7, I would get the V7 if it worked with ScratchLive.

The funny thing about this is:
The Rane/Serato,Torq & NI executives probably pop champagne,dine over juicy steaks together & congratulate each other over the millions made while the Torq/Tracktor/SSL dj's bicker over which product is better.

Nope New Zealand is too far from Germany haha

We fly there in private jets.

Have you ever had steak in Germany? It's like the Sizzler but waaay worse.

I like them both. I think they are both equally good at two completely different approaches to mixing. However there is one thing SSL has over NI...








































...this forum.

+1

lol

A lot of people in my town use Traktor over SL, and they always brag about the features and all the shit it has. To that I always ask them how many of those features are actually stable enough to use and relevant to your mixing,

Thing that I love about serato is the freedom, stability and importance of each feature it has.

lol

Sorta like how George W. Bush, Osama Bin Laden, Vladimir Putin, Hugo Chavez & Fidel Castro used to all hang out? LOL

HAHA its funny because its true

Reminds me of that damn guy that Peter works with on Family Guy..LOL

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Would you rather bang the girl with all the moves, bells and whistles, who freaks out every now and then and leaves you hanging...

or

The 7/10 looking bird who is always there on call and you know will do the business everytime...except now she is working on sticking a couple of new moves she's picked up for her dirty mate above!

Each to their own at the end of the day :)

K

I like that thread, I've spun at a few clubs that have a 57 already installed and that is heaven. Plug in a USB cable and you are DONE!

One of the current spot is thinking of getting a Audio 8 box for the club because a lot of the Detroit Techno and Tech House guys use Traktor.

A 4 channel Traktor Mixer would be a BEAST, the ability to control all 4 decks and effects with Hardware, interesting... It may turn those button pushers into "real DJ's again. Hmmm, sounds like a 68,

WHOA - wouldn't it be a total mind fuck if Rane made the 68 compatible with the Traktor Software like Native Instruments made Traktor Scratch see the SL1 as a sound card.

That would be helluva payback.

username "NoHipHop"

made me lol....

wonder how long he would last over here?

judging from past experience i would def end up with choice A

Well said.

+10000

why are they angry like some lil high school bitches? lol

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Ha ha...all been there and done that...deal closed then BAM!

From a mixer I think I'd rather go option.B please :)

K

HA HA HA HA!

M.Bezzle, you made me crack up this morning when I read that.

It's all good y'all