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Questions for MacBook owners:only!

DJ Irv 3:31 AM - 4 October, 2006
I just bought a Black Macbook
This thing runs HOT! I have an app called Core Duo Temp and it rates idle temps at 124F but that can't be right.

I know that there are a lot of threads on this but I found it confusing with so many discusions on the same topic. If you have a Macbook please answer my questions. If you don't have a macbook I prefer you not comment to cut down on the confusion. Thank you all. - Irv

1. Is heat a problem on your MacBook?
2. Does your MacBook Still have Dropouts?
3. Are you Mac OS 10.4.8?
4. Are you using ScratchLive 1.6.2 Build (16227)
5. Have you quit trying to resolve your issues and switched to Windows XP on your Macbook?
Konix 3:45 AM - 4 October, 2006
1) My Macbook gets a little hot, but there was a firmware update that helped with the fan. That seemed to help a little and my Macbook runs a little cooler now. But I always use a cooling pad anyway when using SSL so all is well.
2) Never had a dropout unless I hook the SL1 into the left USB port, which will cause dropsout when touching the trackpad, but this has been a known problem since day 1. I just use the right USB port and all is well.
3) Yes I use 10.4.8
4) Yes I'm using 1.6.2
5) Nope, why would I put WinXP on it, that's why I bought a Mac in the first place. So far my Macbook has performed flawless with SSL, just that my Macbook has RSS (Random Shutdown Syndrome). Need to take it back to Apple to get it fixed.
djskeetz 4:12 AM - 4 October, 2006
hehe RSS seems like a pretty big issue.
scotty B 5:03 AM - 4 October, 2006
I have had my macbook for four months or so...Woith not one of these problems.
DJ Irv 5:12 AM - 4 October, 2006
Skeetz, did your Macbook suffer from RSS? If so what was the culprit and solution?
DJPauly 5:21 AM - 4 October, 2006
1) Yes, mine gets hot as well. I have been told to get a cooling pad, but have not done this yet.
2) I had really bad dropouts on the first one I had. I sent it back and Apple sent a replacement. I have not had any dropouts with the new one unless I was trying to run multiple programs. I just installed 2 gigs of RAM though.
3) Yes
4) 1.6.1, should I install 1.6.2?
5) Nope - OSX and I have never used this before. I was always a windows user.
djskeetz 5:47 AM - 4 October, 2006
no i have a mac book pro, Thank God, i dont have that issue. I've actually never had any major or even minor issues with Serato, besides my own ignorance (usb problem)
DjWoody 6:15 AM - 4 October, 2006
I have a MacBook White and it don't get hot, and I don't seem to have the other problems others have. Thank god (knock on wood). BUT, the only issue I have been having lately is SSL skipping. And no, I don't use SSL with vinyl.
DjWoody 6:15 AM - 4 October, 2006
Oh yeah, one more issue. Sometimes the battery meter will show it's empty, when it's actually full.
DJ Pryme 6:21 AM - 4 October, 2006
where can I get the firmware update to fix the heat problem? Or is it included in the latest version of osx automatically?

I have suffered from the problem of ever so often the macbook will have screen for no apparent reason that has the restart button in the center and all controls will freeze. it will then prompt me to restart the macbook in about 6 or 7 different languages. does anyone know what this is about?
DJ Limelight 7:42 AM - 4 October, 2006
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I just bought a Black Macbook
This thing runs HOT! I have an app called Core Duo Temp and it rates idle temps at 124F but that can't be right.

I know that there are a lot of threads on this but I found it confusing with so many discusions on the same topic. If you have a Macbook please answer my questions. If you don't have a macbook I prefer you not comment to cut down on the confusion. Thank you all. - Irv

1. Is heat a problem on your MacBook?
2. Does your MacBook Still have Dropouts?
3. Are you Mac OS 10.4.8?
4. Are you using ScratchLive 1.6.2 Build (16227)
5. Have you quit trying to resolve your issues and switched to Windows XP on your Macbook?


1. I have the black one as well. DOWNLOAD the SMC Firmware Update, the computer will definitely run cooler: www.apple.com

2. There are dropouts when I accidently touch the Volume or screen brightness buttons.

3. Yep

4. DON'T DO IT! A Mac Genius dude told me that if you run Windows and get a virus, they won't be responsible for what happens after that. I'd stick with OS X if I were you for sure.
DJ Irv 2:55 PM - 4 October, 2006
Not worried about getting viruses on a Windows. I am pretty Windows Savy. I think maybe I was just a little worried because my friend macbook melted! Mine seems to run fine though. While I am building overviews I am getting 140f -145f. My Dell actually reaches 97c 180f and never crashes. I think the diffrence is that the dell has a plastic bottom and doesn't conduct heat strait to my balls like the MacBook does.
illkid 3:10 PM - 4 October, 2006
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2. There are dropouts when I accidently touch the Volume or screen brightness buttons.


same here! does anybody have a solution for that problem?
Konix 4:04 PM - 4 October, 2006
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2. There are dropouts when I accidently touch the Volume or screen brightness buttons.


same here! does anybody have a solution for that problem?


Yes, don't adjust the screen brightness or volume when using SSL. Why would you? I always keep mine on full brighntess.

If you want to use the F1-F12 buttons to change from abs/rel/int modes, you can use Function + F Keys and that won't cause dropouts, or you can go into System Preferences>Keyboard and Mouse>Keyboard tab and select the option "Use F1-F12 to control software." Then you can use F1-F12 without the function key modifier and it won't cause dropouts. Now if you want to change the brigntess, then you have to use the function key modifer, but you'll still get dropouts. Seems to be a hardware problem with Macbooks, I don't think there's much Serato can do about that.
illkid 4:50 PM - 4 October, 2006
thanks, i will just change the settings in the system preferences
DJ Irv 5:47 PM - 4 October, 2006
I got an Idea! the buttons that control the brightness and volume must have some kind of application or process that governs them. Do any of you think you can re-nice them so their priority is low?
DJ Irv 1:57 AM - 5 October, 2006
I have been watching what happens when your press the volume up, down, mute, brightness up, or down. You get a transparent window showing you the volume or brightness has gone up or down. This transparent window or app governing it (Bezeluiserver) is probably the cuplrit. I have been looking a way to mod this so the BezeluiServer.app has a low priority. My guess is that they have the priority set high on this applet to give you that snappy responsiveness people associate with fast computers.

Don't believe me? Run Serato and then press the Eject key. You will notice you get the transparrent window and dropout at the same time. Does anyone has have this problem with the MacBook Pro because I think this problem effects all X86 version of MAC OS....
rock it 5:45 AM - 5 October, 2006
i got a refurb mac book pro. it runs just fine. it does get hot but that stopped after getting the targus chill pad.

i just ordered the black mac book(refurb), should be here on friday. you can bet i'll have another chill pad.
DJ Irv 1:51 PM - 5 October, 2006
actually. I think Apple has fixed the overheating problems but I will let you know for sure after my party on Saturday.
DJ Stuart (AR) 2:15 AM - 6 October, 2006
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Oh yeah, one more issue. Sometimes the battery meter will show it's empty, when it's actually full.

You have to reset your battery. Let it run empty til your laptop goes to sleep.

www.djstuart.com.ar
twinsouls 10:27 PM - 8 October, 2006
Had my Black MacBook for months now and loving it.

Ya it runs hot but I use a heat pad and am about to install that firmware update.

Use right usb port to avoid dropouts.

Ive noticed that if I hit the contrast button,I get USB dropouts.I dont understand that one so I just avoid pressing it.

Oh ya and I noticed that if you close your notebook before it completly shuts down,it will stay on.The srceen will stay blank likes its off but the little bule light stays lit and its stays hot.I have to take the battery out to fix it.
Jatinder 1:30 AM - 9 October, 2006
i got a white macbook, i always use the LEFT usb, never a drop out
ntranced 6:08 AM - 18 October, 2006
I have a white mac book as well, but I only have usb ports on the left side! I've tried both and still get skipping when i touch the mouse pad. what should I do???
djskeetz 8:33 AM - 18 October, 2006
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I have a white mac book as well, but I only have usb ports on the left side! I've tried both and still get skipping when i touch the mouse pad. what should I do???


your fucked.
DJ Limelight 8:58 AM - 18 October, 2006
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I have a white mac book as well, but I only have usb ports on the left side! I've tried both and still get skipping when i touch the mouse pad. what should I do???


your fucked.


LMAO @ Skeetz! .... The Macbooks (non-pro) only have usb ports on the left side. Try using the pne that's closest to the mouse/trackpad. That one should work fine.
djskeetz 9:29 AM - 18 October, 2006
hahaha limelight, im glad i could deliver a brief amount of joy in your life, but i was being kind of serious, because ntranced says that both his USB ports are giving him dropouts. sucks for him.
DJ Limelight 12:14 PM - 18 October, 2006
Damn. I hope that's not the case because he would be kinda screwed. I hope it's something else.
DJ Irv 1:44 PM - 18 October, 2006
Well, after a few weeks with Serato on Mac OS I can hontestly say it runs better on Windows XP. The combiniation of iTunes for Windows, MixMeister BPM and MP3Gain are awesome. The Macbook itself distributes some odd behaivor like not shutting off if you close the screen while it is in the process of shutting down. I have also noticed that the CPU runs cooler than when first purchased. The heatsink compand might have thinned out a little due to heat and pressure (and that is a good thing!). Now onto complaints again. Why doesn't the Macbook have a PCMCIA port and more USB ports?
djskeetz 7:24 PM - 18 October, 2006
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Damn. I hope that's not the case because he would be kinda screwed. I hope it's something else.


very much so, that would be extremely frustrating. i would smash my laptop to itee-bitee-pieces.
DJPauly 8:34 PM - 18 October, 2006
If neither of the ports work - send it back. I had that issue and my new one works fine. Some mac gurus here at work said that they have been replacing motherboards because of this issue.
DJCyrusTheVirus 6:09 PM - 20 October, 2006
I had a problem with the heat sync and had to replace it. Right now I always run a cooling pad underneath it when im spinnin on SSL. Seems to help a bit but my macbook white still gets pretty hot, ohh welll
DJ 3pm 7:34 PM - 20 October, 2006
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I have also noticed that the CPU runs cooler than when first purchased.

have you ran any updates? apple released an firmware update to the fans (internal cooling system) that made the laptop run cooler. if you've installed any os updates, then you probably installed this.
DJ Irv 9:35 PM - 20 October, 2006
the firmware definitely helped but. I think what really helped was the fact it got really hot once and it probably helped thin out the heatsink grease. I have an called Core DUO temp and it tells me the chip is running at 70F most the time but, as computer geek i know that is not possible. I think Core Duo Temp is reading the room temp not the CPU core temp. MacBook = Garbage and this is coming from someone that owns one. Mac Book Pro all the way.
misterstimulation 11:19 PM - 20 October, 2006
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Skeetz, did your Macbook suffer from RSS? If so what was the culprit and solution?


Don't know if anyone commented on this.. but..

The RSS problem seems to be related to a faulty heatsink. If u expereience this, take it back and they will fix it.
DJ 3pm 12:08 AM - 21 October, 2006
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Skeetz, did your Macbook suffer from RSS? If so what was the culprit and solution?


Don't know if anyone commented on this.. but..

The RSS problem seems to be related to a faulty heatsink. If u expereience this, take it back and they will fix it.

the problem is actually a wire contacting the heatsink and melting through the insulation. apple posted a knowledge base article stating that applecare will fix this (without admitting the problem exists): docs.info.apple.com
BriChi 4:06 AM - 21 October, 2006
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I have an called Core DUO temp and it tells me the chip is running at 70F most the time but, as computer geek i know that is not possible. I think Core Duo Temp is reading the room temp not the CPU core temp. MacBook = Garbage and this is coming from someone that owns one. Mac Book Pro all the way.


The coreduotemp program has issues, one minute it tells me i am at 22C then i reboot and i am at 53C, I use a program call Temperature monitor (Ver 3.9), do a goolge search for tempmonitor for mac, and you will find it. It works great, it gives you the temp on each core and also the temp of your hard drive. I just purchased the white 2.0 macbook Tuesday and so far I love it. I have had SSL playing since tuesday night non stop on auto mode and my temp does not go above 56C (I think that's about 121F). I did all the software updates which does not include the firmware for the fan. You have to go to Apple's support page and click downloads and browse for the Macbook update. It brings you up to 1.4F10 (Mine came with 1.4F8) In case you don't know, you guys can check the verion by clicking on the apple on the top left and choosing "about this mac" then choose "More info" and look at the SMC version. Hope this helps. By the way, I had USB dropouts on the one bad port that everyone is talking about, I took it back to apple and after some troubleshooting they gave me a new one and i have no usb dropouts on either port.
DJMark 5:40 AM - 21 October, 2006
Some of the Apple tech/news/rumor sites are mentioning that the inventories of Macbooks and Macbooks pros are running low to nonexistent, most likely signalling the impending release of new models. Let's hope so, and let's hope that Apple has straightened out some of these ridiculous issues for good.
BriChi 2:34 PM - 21 October, 2006
^^^^^^Yeah, the mac rumor sites are saying early November for new merom core 2 duo Macbook and/or Macbook pros. But of course they are not always right, They are just rumors
DJ 3pm 4:25 PM - 21 October, 2006
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^^^^^^Yeah, the mac rumor sites are saying early November for new merom core 2 duo Macbook and/or Macbook pros. But of course they are not always right, They are just rumors

i doubt they will update the macbook to the core duo 2; they need something to differentiate it from the macbook pro and imac. macbook will probably just get core duo speed bump.
DJ Stuart (AR) 6:22 PM - 21 October, 2006
I hope this macbook problems get fixed i need a new laptop.

www.djstuart.com.ar
deepdjdanny 10:56 AM - 22 October, 2006
and they'll all probably run hotter. black does seem to. perhaps mac should'nt have made them so thin, bigger fans or peltiers...
deepdjdanny 11:22 AM - 22 October, 2006
1. Is heat a problem on your MacBook?
2. Does your MacBook Still have Dropouts?
3. Are you Mac OS 10.4.8?
4. Are you using ScratchLive 1.6.2 Build (16227)
5. Have you quit trying to resolve your issues and switched to Windows XP on your Macbook?

1. Yes, most definitely!
2. Constantly! Keyboard & touchpad causes SSL audio glitches.
3. Yep.
4. Yep. But actually not often, won't be bothered DJing with this gear, so still vinyl & CD.
5. No. I've never tried to resolve these issues; that's apple/serato's job. The MacBook/OSX as a laptop is fokay I suppose. Once i'm finished Adobe Auditioning or Aciding, I Won't allow audio to stay in the Parallel's Desktop Virtual XP partition, as I & another nightclub DJ friend have found XP corrupting files, so I move my audio immediately to external MS-DOS format 100GB HD (read/writable by both OSes) & then what I want into OSX proper... (et vice versa).
Oh, another thing, importing part.met files into aMule (OSX equivalent of XP eMule Peer2Peer) from the MS-DOS format HD causes the MacBook to crash. So the Serato Known Issue concerning MS-DOS formatted external HDs... Holds True.

I'll just sit tight & wait. :) or :(
DJ Irv 3:33 PM - 22 October, 2006
Peltiers are out of the question. They cool the chip better but heat the case way more.

1. It seems the heat issue is not really an issue anymore.
2. The drop outs will always be here on the MacBook
3. 10.4.8 is just fine.
4. I am using .1.6.2
5. I am honestly considering using XP on my macbook instead of Mac OS.
6. i am not sure about any probles with FAT32 aka MS-DOS format.
DJ Limelight 6:24 PM - 22 October, 2006
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1. Is heat a problem on your MacBook?
2. Does your MacBook Still have Dropouts?
3. Are you Mac OS 10.4.8?
4. Are you using ScratchLive 1.6.2 Build (16227)
5. Have you quit trying to resolve your issues and switched to Windows XP on your Macbook?

1. Yes, most definitely!
2. Constantly! Keyboard & touchpad causes SSL audio glitches.
3. Yep.
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Do you get the trackpad/keyboard dropouts when your SL1 is plugged into the USB port closest to the Macbook screen? If so switch to the USB port closest to the trackpad. This isn't an issue specific to Serato. I have the same problem with my Pro Tools LE mBox. They have it listed on their site as a problem with the internal architecture of the computer.
deepdjdanny 4:05 PM - 30 October, 2006
cheers guys. I feel a little more confident now!