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Does Serato now have variable BPM? Or Variable BeatGrid?

RodrigoVolta 2:27 AM - 15 April, 2025
I noticed something strange after updating SDJ Pro to version 3.3.1: some older songs (from the 70s, 80s) that were recorded on vinyl have variable BPM (or variable grid) and grid fits the beats perfectly, similar to what rekordbox does.

My question is: did Serato secretly implement "variable BPM"? Or variable beatgrid? 😐

Note: I ran these songs through Mixed In Key 11 and exported them to Serato, but as far as I know, this software only writes the note and BPM of the song in the file's TAG. It does not create or export a beat grid!

And no, the Pitch sliders on my DDJ-1000SRT are not defective, they are perfect. As I said, the BPM only varies in some types of music, such as old acoustic songs, where the BPM is not 100% constant! In the others, they remain fixed from beginning to end.

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DjSyndic8 2:49 AM - 15 April, 2025
interesting
Raffy G 9:59 AM - 15 April, 2025
Yes I noticed this few days ago...but my whole library was alredy alanalkysed within Serato Studio... which has Liquid Beatgrids...or Dynamic beatgrids.. from what I have seen...

But yes what you saying is interesting.... I am sure Serato would annouce such updates...
RodrigoVolta 12:45 PM - 15 April, 2025
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Yes I noticed this few days ago...but my whole library was alredy alanalkysed within Serato Studio... which has Liquid Beatgrids...or Dynamic beatgrids.. from what I have seen...

But yes what you saying is interesting.... I am sure Serato would annouce such updates...

So... I used Serato Studio in the past, but only to try to transfer and relocate my library that came from Mac to Windows (and that didn't work)... but that was a long time ago... And I don't remember analyzing the tracks with Studio... And I remember that when the import failed, I didn't continue. I did the migration with Lexicon at the time. Studio was just a suggestion from Serato support.

Now, I installed Studio on my PC and analyzed some tracks with it and, in fact, now, when I open them in Serato, the BPM and beatgrid variation appears. That's strange, since I've never actually used Studio in my library...

So... since Serato has resources to include "flexible beatgrids" since it's already in Studio, why haven't they done it in DJ Pro yet?
DjSyndic8 12:46 PM - 15 April, 2025
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Yes I noticed this few days ago...but my whole library was alredy alanalkysed within Serato Studio... which has Liquid Beatgrids...or Dynamic beatgrids.. from what I have seen...

But yes what you saying is interesting.... I am sure Serato would annouce such updates...


just checked it unfortunately this is not true, I loaded, 9 to 5 - Dolly Parton. and it did not go well.

best way to test grids is with old songs that has live drummers.
RodrigoVolta 1:54 PM - 15 April, 2025
What I noticed was the following: I hadn't used beatgrids in Serato for a long time, since it doesn't work on tracks with variable BPM, I prefer to use the "peak" mode where Serato shows the peaks of the songs and it's easier to sync them visually.

When I disable the beatgrid via Sync Mode, the tracks go back to having a fixed BPM. Maybe at some point in the past, I must have done some testing with Studio on my old Macbook analyzing tracks and this was migrated from that time to today and since the beatgrid was always disabled, I didn't even notice this happening...
DjSyndic8 2:47 PM - 15 April, 2025
I thought it was an easter egg, since easter is comin up...
i use another DJ software and they have true A.I fluid beatgrids and its amazing.
RodrigoVolta 2:57 PM - 15 April, 2025
Well... it's more than time for Serato to implement this feature once and for all, since it has the tool in Studio, just apply it in DJ Pro.
viper9711 3:10 PM - 15 April, 2025
I compared both analyses with a few 80s funk tracks:
Worlds better than the Serato analysis :) – but not as perfect as Djay's Fluid Grids
You can clearly see the new red grid markers in the waveform and also see the tempo changes.
Cool stuff – I'll use this to re-grid my problem tracks – and you don't have to unplug the USB cable to analyze them in the studio anymore :)
RodrigoVolta 3:32 PM - 15 April, 2025
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I compared both analyses with a few 80s funk tracks:
Worlds better than the Serato analysis :) – but not as perfect as Djay's Fluid Grids
You can clearly see the new red grid markers in the waveform and also see the tempo changes.
Cool stuff – I'll use this to re-grid my problem tracks – and you don't have to unplug the USB cable to analyze them in the studio anymore :)

That's right. I noticed some red bars that change the dynamic BPM of the track.
Raffy G 1:54 PM - 16 April, 2025
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Yes I noticed this few days ago...but my whole library was alredy alanalkysed within Serato Studio... which has Liquid Beatgrids...or Dynamic beatgrids.. from what I have seen...

But yes what you saying is interesting.... I am sure Serato would annouce such updates...


just checked it unfortunately this is not true, I loaded, 9 to 5 - Dolly Parton. and it did not go well.

best way to test grids is with old songs that has live drummers.



Dont know bro..here with Studio it kinda made a difference on many 70s funk tracks...maybe its the way it analyses...I am not sure.. But I know one thing for sure..is at some point Serato will have this feature... Lets hope ist like SOON :P
viper9711 2:04 PM - 16 April, 2025
It would be really cool if Serato would take over from Studio.
I've now analyzed various "odd" tracks from live rock, 70s, and funk, and the results are really OK. Sometimes the downbeat isn't quite right, but I can live with that. Just don't edit the grid in Serato afterwards—then the warp markers disappear.
RodrigoVolta 2:20 PM - 16 April, 2025
It would be really cool if Serato brought the Studio library manager to DJ Pro since it has a more modern look, with more readable fonts, preview options and status icons for each type of track. I think it's high time the team gave DJ Pro and DJ Lite a makeover. This look that has been around since SL and ITCH and with small changes over the years, is getting old, right?
DjSyndic8 4:11 PM - 16 April, 2025
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Dont know bro..here with Studio it kinda made a difference on many 70s funk tracks...maybe its the way it analyses...I am not sure.. But I know one thing for sure..is at some point Serato will have this feature... Lets hope ist like SOON :P


oh your probably right with "Studio" I only tested Serato DJ 3.3.1, I dont have Studio installed, so I couldnt test it.
DJ STU-C 4:23 PM - 16 April, 2025
Serato still has the absolute best file import system on the market though, having it internal to the app and only adding new music to each crate when you drag and drop (without extra pop ups) is way ahead of anyone else. I hope they keep that the same.

I assume all of the different software are working on fluid beatgrids now, after Djay paved the way. I’m guessing these things take a little time however, and it’s likely everyone got caught on the back foot when algoriddim introduced it.
DjSyndic8 4:58 PM - 16 April, 2025
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Serato still has the absolute best file import system on the market though, having it internal to the app and only adding new music to each crate when you drag and drop (without extra pop ups) is way ahead of anyone else. I hope they keep that the same.

I assume all of the different software are working on fluid beatgrids now, after Djay paved the way. I’m guessing these things take a little time however, and it’s likely everyone got caught on the back foot when algoriddim introduced it.


agree :)
Despo 8:57 PM - 16 April, 2025
WAIT A MINUTE

are you guys telling me that if I go right now and subscribe to serato studio, analyze all my tracks there the new analysis is carrying over to serato DJ?
RodrigoVolta 9:14 PM - 16 April, 2025
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WAIT A MINUTE

are you guys telling me that if I go right now and subscribe to serato studio, analyze all my tracks there the new analysis is carrying over to serato DJ?

Yes. Studio manipulates the DJ Pro/Lite library. Both read the same database and _SERATO_ folder. Studio does not require a subscription to use it in its basic form.

You open Studio, and your entire library, crates, etc. from DJ Pro will be there. You can even create crates, delete songs and drag new ones into them, and analyze the songs, which will automatically be reflected in DJ Pro. Remember that to avoid conflicts, keep DJ Pro closed before opening Studio and vice-versa.

Studio is great for analyzing old songs, but for current electronic songs, I didn't like the result, but DJ Pro is still better. It's worth testing.
viper9711 10:40 PM - 16 April, 2025
There is also a grid editor in Sudio. Is such a small gear at the bottom left of the waveform window.
And really great: mark track and press the right mouse button - a helpful drop-down menu opens 🤗
Ian Williams 9:32 PM - 19 April, 2025
This appears to work very well.

I’ve re-analysed loads of 70’s funk and disco tracks in Serato Studio today, and most of them seem to sync seamlessly in Serato DJ Pro. Most tracks now have new red beat grid lines where necessary.

I can’t believe this hasn’t been widely discussed on the forum or announced by Serato, as it seems to meet many people’s requests.
DjSyndic8 3:00 AM - 20 April, 2025
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This appears to work very well.

I’ve re-analysed loads of 70’s funk and disco tracks in Serato Studio today, and most of them seem to sync seamlessly in Serato DJ Pro. Most tracks now have new red beat grid lines where necessary.

I can’t believe this hasn’t been widely discussed on the forum or announced by Serato, as it seems to meet many people’s requests.


this in Serato Studio?
Ian Williams 3:37 PM - 20 April, 2025
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this in Serato Studio?


Yep!
DjSyndic8 10:54 PM - 20 April, 2025
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this in Serato Studio?


Yep!


if this is the case I dont know why its not in Serato DJ pro.
Raffy G 10:18 AM - 21 April, 2025
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this in Serato Studio?


Yep!


if this is the case I dont know why its not in Serato DJ pro.


Honestly...I really do not know....maybe they are re-designing ground up the whole Serato coding... I can see it happening soon... maybe even a more intuitive crate management as well.. I been testing almost every software out there ....must say I feel Serato Dj is the only plug n play software...evrything else feels like plug n pray :P Lets just hope somebody is watching these forums....
DJ Stygma 12:34 PM - 21 April, 2025
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Honestly...I really do not know....maybe they are re-designing ground up the whole Serato coding... I can see it happening soon... maybe even a more intuitive crate management as well.. I been testing almost every software out there ....must say I feel Serato Dj is the only plug n play software...evrything else feels like plug n pray :P Lets just hope somebody is watching these forums....


I believe both Cleveland Terry and Mojaxx have said that Serato is doing a complete recode of the software. So hopefully it will be included with that.
viper9711 1:00 PM - 21 April, 2025
Well, I hope it doesn't take as long as it did with the tractor - I'm used to the pain...
the SOUNDINSURGENT 1:32 PM - 21 April, 2025
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this in Serato Studio?


Yep!


if this is the case I dont know why its not in Serato DJ pro.


Probably using Studio as a testing ground...
phatbob 3:16 PM - 28 April, 2025
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DjSyndic8 3:22 PM - 28 April, 2025
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Hey gang... You're famous ;)

Watchwww.youtube.com


just saw Mojaxx Video regarding this Thread:)
RodrigoVolta 4:29 PM - 28 April, 2025
Great!!!

🤞🏻😍
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 6:43 PM - 28 April, 2025
Moxjaxx brought me here - lol

Probably the most action the OG forum will see in years!

Unleash the SpamBotS!!
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 7:07 PM - 28 April, 2025
Sweet... works just like he said.

Just did Chicago's Street Player (made popular by the Bucketheadz) and it fluctuates between 122 - 123- and 124 - wow just went to 125...

Using the offline player - looking back - this happens naturally with the wow and flutter of turntables on DVS - lol

Now I just need to think of songs that i need to run through Serato Studio
viper9711 8:39 PM - 28 April, 2025
Hopefully Mojaxx will get some information from Serato about this
DJ STU-C 8:58 PM - 28 April, 2025
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Hopefully Mojaxx will get some information from Serato about this


They likely won’t go public with anything, but my guess is there are people beta testing the addition of fluid grids to DJ Pro, with Studio also working as a good testing ground for it.

I also guess Chris saw these threads (he will be active on these forums) and that’s why he made the video, so props to I think Rodrigo for uncovering it.

All software devs will be adding this to the various programs at some point, after Djay added it, you can guarantee that as it’s a no brainer feature.
DJ STU-C 7:43 AM - 29 April, 2025
Ah i just watched the full video, props to him for calling Rodrigo out on this find.
DjSyndic8 11:37 AM - 29 April, 2025
Thanks Mojaxx for our 2secs of fame 👍
DJ STU-C 11:54 AM - 29 April, 2025
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Thanks Mojaxx for our 2secs of fame 👍


Hahaha

"there's those 2 cranks from the Serato forum"
DjSyndic8 12:07 PM - 29 April, 2025
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Thanks Mojaxx for our 2secs of fame 👍


Hahaha

"there's those 2 cranks from the Serato forum"


lol
Raffy G 12:59 PM - 29 April, 2025
Absolutely! Thanks Mojaxx for the mention! Respect! :)