Serato users won't make the move cause theres no easy way to transfer their crates and cue points harmoniously over, thats why a majority stick to Serato, Serato is easy to use, less settings, stable and just sounds way better.

I moved to Serato from Traktor. When Traktor was on top. I actually moved to Serato iTch which did everything perfect. I still find that one of the biggest factors with Serato is that its true plug and play nature without allot of hassle and you dont feel constrained.. coming from a turntablist background.. Traktor always made feel like i was a robot dj.. just didnt have that flow like turntables and cdjs had.... in my opinion the transition wanst very smooth but when I got hand of it...it was amazing what i was doing with Serato iTch. I have tried other software like djay Pro and Virtual Dj... I find them very off... meaning one to one software hardware link is terrible. specially with djay Pro. They feel like toys not a mature software for DJs. Each software has its pros and cons even serato, but at the end Serato is one of the oldest in the industry and I am sure they know what they are doing. the biggest buzz word today is AI.. which doesnt mean jack to me...its just an alogorithm nothing to do with artificial inteligence..branding at its best I suppose. of course I am not saying i am correct, this is just my humble opinion guys. What ever each dj uses either hardware software or custom designed setup.. if thats what works for them than thats the best for them. Persoanlly as DjSyndic8 said... Easy to use.. Stable and sounds way better than most for now.

100% agree💯💯

There's atgr-production-team.sellfy.store for MAC users

And www.mixo.dj For Windows and MAC

I've used both and they work.

Spotify hasn't been available for ages on DJay Pro... Apple Music is nice, but we've all had the discussion over and over again about Algoriddim has a "special" relationship with Apple that no other software has when it comes to DJing.

Serato doesn't have that for the same reasons Pioneer/AlphaTheta nor VDJ does, they are boxed out of that relationship.

As for points 2 and 3. I agree and hope that some of the ideas we see will make it over to the Serato software soon.

Serato has one thing nobody else has and why I wouldn't switch to something else. Flip, I use Flip a lot and there's nothing out there. I know VDJ fans will tell me about some mumbo jumbo scripting thing you can do that will be somewhat like Flip. I looked into it, it's not Flip and to get it to that point requires a crazy amount of time scripting.

Also, I didn't have to pay for the Pro version of Serato as it came with my mixer.

I might play with Algorithm now I have an iPad Pro M4, being able to do it all on a tablet looks sick. But I'll never replace Serato.

bought it, it says it does but I couldnt get it to work, so, I just have it. Ive found a easier way but its not perfect.


agree and it has a lot more native controller support.



good for ceremonies, background music.

Sounds like you don't understand the extension. Your right in one thing though, it isn't Flip.

I am a Serato user since the days of Scratch Live, then I move over to Itch and now to Serato DJ, I also have DJay Pro. I love DJay Pro but for some reason I do not like the one to one feel with your controller, Serato just better and works plug and play.
I am also no o fan of DJay pro UI, just my opinion.
I guess that's why most of us stick with Serato DJ.

Just wait until Serato (or better said Apple) gets iPad support and that’s it.

Serato is doing well ATM.

Right on on those smart beatgrids. They are a huge deal and Serato should not take too long on this. Stems will always be getting better and better. Come back in 4 years and you'll see.

one thing you should know about serato, its like making cheese in NZ, it happens when it happens, Serato is not in a rush to do anything, that's how they've always been.

you can suggest things for Serato, but that's just it, if Serato has time they will look into it, but they won't respond to members demands.

its best for Serato to take their time and do it right then to rush it and have DJs disappointed when it doesnt work right,

Stems is a good example. Patience is a virtue:)

I've made the move to DJay Pro. I haven't used Serato at a gig since this past spring. I love having the choice of using either my iPad or Macbook. Since I keep all of my music on an internal drive, there was no issues with accessing my Serato crates. I prefer serato's UI but it wasn't enough to keep me using it.

SDJ won't let all access scratch banks. That plus the wait on Fluid Beatgrids are the 2 main shortcomings to get somebody interested in D Jay Pro.

Serato cue pionts are accessible in djay pro natively. No work around is needed

I'm not sure if you've used stems with DJ Pro, but they've done an amazing job with it—it’s definitely ahead by far. I do like Serato's echo-out feature for stems, but DJ Pro has that too; it's just turned off by default.

I'm very familiar with DJays capabilities, been using it for over 7months now, also been on the forums, they do have limitations, and serato is better in some ways the biggest thing for me is how they both sound different, sound quality wise, I prefer serato its more open and the frequencies are much better,

DJs that consider themselves true-school turntablist will always choose Serato, and to them DJay feels more gimmicky, like a plastic toy,

but I am very aware of DJays capabilities.

The other thing is Serato does not want to copy the competition,

Serato wants to innovate, be the first to bring features out,

I feel like all these gimmicky features takes away the ability for DJs to be real DJs

instead of having A.I help them pretty much doing the Job of what a DJ is spose to do.

I believe that's why Serato is not quick to incorporate features that DJay has,

The other thing is I'm not sure if DJay has copyrighted some of their features and that's why its hard for other DJ software to implement them.

who knows I'm just speculating here:)

DJ Owe O O o oO:) as a fellow Kiwi DJ I thought you'd understand the cheese reference lol

www.algoriddim.com

woooow thanks for that info bro I had no idea, its all clear now they have to protect themselves

Is this maybe why we still can't determine which crate(s) a track is saved in? Because someone else released the feature first?

Maybe the same with star ratings?

Idk.. if they want to be a leader in the field again they need to stop dragging their feet on basic features being implemented. People have been asking to find out which crate a song is in since 2006 on the forums.

DJay just shows how quickly a development team can move if they are passionate about their product. Lightspeed development vs developing at the speed of molasses is clearly working out well for them pulling users away from "industry leaders"

I see a lot of people refer to DJay stems as being their tech but what a lot of people don’t know is that their stem tech is by Audio Shake.

www.audioshake.ai

Algoriddim that is.

very true, Also a better library management for Serato,



I agree, I spose working closely with Apple helps with future tec,






Thats true, maybe audioshak stems tech is licensed only to Algorithem and no one else?? who knows

Not just that but being Djay Pro app a "iOS child" all the new silicon features brung by M-series chip are first available at iPads. In fact the M1 chip is based over iPad Pro chip.

Those silicon features includes Neural Engine where (if properly coded) AI happens. That gives extra cpu power against brute-force modes (like using non dedicated libraries instead dedicated ones). Like Metal for the graphics side which lets iDevices play games than wasn't possible before etc. Neural engine was introduced with iPhone X (2017).

Also M-series has dedicated hardware codecs for fast compression/decompression data so less "ram" memory required (aside unified/integrated On Chip memory these have isn't the same than regular SDram chips relative to how CPU transfers data etc)

There are a lot of benefits from build apps natively over iOS/ARM (Apple Silicon) against x86 rossetta's alternatives... but even when you make those x86 native to Apple Silicon there's still room for implement native libraries getting the best performance x watt.

We are forgetting the point that a simple iPhone (not the last) can handle realtime stems at lower wattage consumption vs laptops?

For me the features RipX has are the best in town ATM but it's based on x86&GPU tech which makes it the rabbit against the turtle... so the same for Serato until they implement these technologies (if aren't, not totally sure of course...) and release an iPad compatible version.

Back to reality that last sentence will happen when Apple release an hybrid product (hardware or macOS) so Serato (and other hard dependent x86 brands) could develop over the tools Apple bring them.



Some links for those wanting deeper knowledge:

en.wikipedia.org

apple.fandom.com

developer.apple.com

developer.apple.com

cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net

developer.apple.com

Not being able to access my serato crates via an external drive is the only thing stopping me moving across to DJay pro full time rn. The ability to play on an ipad and mini controller for bar gigs is very appealing and the ipad interface on DJay is excellent.

I mentioned this above, its a deal-breaker from a lot of DJs, even on their forums theirs no easy way to do this.

i agree

Just for clarification... Serato crates via an external drive means the music library at an external drive or something else?

I ask since you can plug external drives to an iPad and load music from there. IDK how advanced it's the implementation in Djay but the feature itself is from the system (iOS/iPadOS) itself.

I tested it by myself in the past even recording something in one iPhone, export to pendrive and load that pendrive into my iPad... without too much hassle...

Have Serato Crates anything special to not allow iOS access or so?

You can run two DJ apps simultaneously and drag and drop the main crates you need to test and get familiar with the setup. I had the same issue as you until I tried this method. Once I got a feel for it, I customized all the shortcuts in DJ Pro to match my Serato setup and even added features I wished Serato had. I ended up loving the app more and more after that. Now, I’m experimenting with the iOS version, and honestly, it’s so good that I can see it potentially replacing my laptop, which is wild!

your workaround is not practicable, especially running 2 dj apps at once,

I've figured all this out, no thanks to no tutorial on any of these subjects online,
I had to learn how to do this on my own.

also your crates have to be setup a certain way so DJay can read it.
smart crates are no good.

I wouldn’t recommend DJing while running two apps simultaneously. Instead, just use the two apps together initially to copy crates into playlists in DJ Pro. This method worked perfectly for me and was enough to explore all the features after finishing a jam session and testing the app.

+1. Is DJay Pro able to read large crates(1000+ songs)?

thats good, honestly DJay does not have instructions on how to migrate your music over,



I have over 100k files and it reads it fine.

Now that Serato has released Stems and new FX, it's time to rework the browser:

- Star rating
- Track match list
- a larger search field
- Favorite playlists similar to Traktor

I hope that will come at some point, otherwise I'm actually very happy with Serato

Installed djay Pro demo a few weeks ago because I was feeling I should try it and was impressed, works super smooth, faster than Serato (which is incredible because I have no complaints about Serato's performance speed but it does!) and sounds great, simple interface (or not crowded) and everything is in it's place. If it wasn't for subscritions being their only business model I'd have bought it given the AI beat gridding and other candys they have put in there lately.

Its only 25 quid a year though, and you can D/L to your mac, phone and tablet for that price.

come on serato devs, give a little hint at least something good is cooking up.

It was only 12 months ago they were desperately triying to sell the company, realistically its probably best not to be this expectant, save yourself from the inevitable disappointment.

nailed it.

Amen, DJs urgencies dont mean anything to Serato., once you realise this then you will be at ease.

I love Djay Pro but I find myself going back to Serato because the way the jog wheels react on Djay pro is very sluggish. It doesn't have the same feel as Serato. Also the integration with Apple Music is just subpar at best. Why do I have to analyze Apple Music tracks? When I was using Djay Pro when they had Spotify integrated, all the keys and BPM's were already on all the tracks. I was a Traktor user for over 10 years but I moved over to Serato because Traktor couldn't handle my large library of music. I mean DJay Pro has come a long way, but the feel isn't right.
Although when I do DJ gigs, I use a secondary laptop and have Djay pro running for Decks 3&4 on my FLX10 for streaming Beatsource & Apple Music for requesrts I don't have in my collection.

this is 100% on the money, Serato has instant response when you trigger play or anything else, DJay is very sluggish and it has this annoying delay.



100%



I have a simmilar setup when I use Serato side by side.

I total agree, that's why I don't use DJPro, its very sluggish compared to Serato, No other DJ software has the response like Serato playing with controllers,