no. they look and feel like tinker toys, and the torque is way, way too high.

the ultra pitch is super ultra. lol

who cares what they look like. and the extra torque is great if you do a lot of scratching.

they do look a little cheap, but they can take a beating. i've had a couple friends' ttx die out on them, but my pdx2000 bought 5 years a go is still going strong.

if you're looking for something to gig with, i still wouldnt use anything but 1200s. 1200s are by far the most solid decks for mixing and you never really need more than -/+ 8% pitch, especially without master tempo. but if you're looking for a studio ttable, especially if you scratch a lot or want to record some scratch compositions, the extra torque and pitch range are a no-brainer.

I've used the PDX2000's before. Man I must say, those are some sexy beasts. But I couldn't see myself buying them to mix on.

ive got a pair of vestax pdx-a2's - ive never had a problem with them

parke02 da scratchmasta! LOL

Gonna get a new set of TT's, most likely Techs but wanted to get some opinions on the Vestax. Just haven't heard much about em???

Damn Supernatural, your a baller!

i use pdx2000s. i picked the pair up off a mate who needed to get shot of them because he needed to turn his little studio into a baby room...

the torque is fantastic for scratching, and i can be ultra-precise for long mixes... fan-dabby-dosey.

they do look like toys tho, and feel like toys when you pick them up. that said, i expected to get a whole load more feedback on them than i do.

wouldnt go back to having 1210s as my primary decks now, even tho i cant fault their rock-solid reliability and would happily have a set for 'spare'

man, the vestax and technics are great. i don't like numark. I still have a pair of those vestax pdx-d3's turntables and I got to say that they work flawless still. but the pdx-2000 and up rocks. The motor respons of the pdx is very quick.vestax/technics
i don't like numark

What's the problem with high torque?? I don't see a negative side.

for scratching, i don't see any problem with it. but for techno / house / whatever, if you're a person that likes to touch the platter, you're pretty much screwed.

i, personally, do almost all my beat matching with the pitch control, and i've found that the vestax has very little resistance on the pitch fader (unlike a technic), so it feels like a cdj in the sense that you're doing it all digitally.

personally, i don't like it at all. i'll stick to my technic 1200m3d's. but, different strokes for different folks.

Naw... I'm tryin to be like you guys! Actually, I need a dedicated home set up so I can practice. It has become way too much work to set up at home and tear down every weekend before a gig. Break down set up at home, load into trailer, unload and set up at gig... I'm tired and grouchy before I even start. HA!

The new vestax looks good???
www.skratchworx.com

WHOA, ease up cowboy? Do you know what deck that is? That thing cost about $2000 and it is not your average TT's. More like an instrument.

But your are a balla, so get it and tell us how it is. LOL!

Yeee Hawwww! LOL!

Just lookin at as many options as possible before I get something. I know a few cats using the Numarks's and dig em (Lorrence, matt212, few others not on this forum).

Most prefer the Techs... but very little talk about Vestax. Sounds like torque is an issue with the Vestax which is confusing because the folks that like the Numarks say the additional torque in them is a plus??? Sooo the Vestax must have more torque than the Numarks?

Vestaxs and Numarks are about the same torque IMO.

Vestax's just cost more, so most people would just spend that kind of money on Techs instead.

Would you rate them about the same, quality wise?

I don't understand why people prefer turntables if all they do is beatmatch using pitch control, and don't even touch the records much. Isn't that THE reason to use turntables? for the hands-on feel? Its kinda funny when I see DJs treating their vinyl oh so carefully... doing their best not to touch the grooves, only touching the edges, cleaning them after each use, etc..

but yea the platter on the pdx is kinda crappy though... the bumps on the 1200 platters are great.

I touch grooves. That's my new t-shirt slogan.

what up dj supanatural,dude get the techs industries standard boyeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Quality wise, the Vestax's have a better track record, but I have the newer TTX's and they seem to be a better build than the first series of the TTX's. They are also heavy and solid, so the only problem would probably be the motor if any. I haven't heard too many people having problems with newer TTX's than with the first ones, but only time will time.

IMO, Vestax TT's seem like more of a novelty, off the wall, type of TT. I still can't figure out that one that has a pivoting base and that QFO thing.

But if you want something to practice at home with, get the Numark TT-500.

Thanks Reese and matt... I have the feeling Techs are the safe bet. Just wanted to the skinny on the Vestax before I get new ish. Ever drop coin on something and then find out there was a better alternative.... DAMN IT! LOL!

I see a lot of Vestax mixers... Don't know 'bout those either???

i had vestak pdx2000's when they first came out many moons ago, about6 months ago i got myself a set of tech 1200's mk5 and imo the 1200's are sooooooooooooo much better!! i personnaly would never buy vestak TT's again

The only thing i am not sure about is scratching as i play EDM i do some scratching but very little, but maybe some one on this forum can correct me if i am wrong, surley if you can scratch on 1 deck u can on another? watch the DMC videos they canm do it easy!! ha ha

the only other point i would make is stay well away from any numark product, they have got to be one of the worst if not the worst dj equipment manufacture who's equipment i have ever used

so to sum up, go to the store get a deminstration of the 1200 and the vestax but what ever you do don't even look at numark ones

Hey E head, which Numarks TT's have you had problems with?

i used a few of the cheap ones needless to say they were crap but i've also had the misfortune of using the TTX1 and the TT500, its just my personnal opinion but i think they are shite i'd prefer to hook up my old mans record deck (not TT) and use that!

Don't get me wrong if there are just for practice they would do i suppose but as for using them for a gig, no chance!

And don't get me started on Numark mixers!!

Maybe i am bias as i can not stand anything with Numark wrote on it as i said in my earlier post, i think Numark is by far the worst dj equipment manufacture there is

Just my 0.02c

^^lol, misfortune, old mans decks, hahaha.

The TTX1 was the first issue of those decks and many didn't like those either. But some that tried the newer issue liked them a little better, but still had a bad taste after using the first ones.

Come on, tell me how you really feel about the mixers. lol

I can feel you on the bias part, I can't stand JBL speakers with a passion, but others like them.

BTW, I have both Techs and Numarks so I am not bashing one or the other. I just use the TTX's more. Maybe because I set them up in battle style and still can have the slider on the side, vice with Techs, you have to reach over the arm if in battle style. Also, I like the digital display, not necessary but its nice. And adjustable torque is nice, along with the Master Tempo thing like on the CD decks. So when SSl finally comes out with plug in, you can use that feature just like a CD deck.

the ssl master tempo will work on any turntable. you still wont be able to use the one built into the ttx.

Really?.....any table?...., well that's good to know.

personally - if i was gonna spend full whack on new decks.. itd be the stanton str8-150s for me every time. iv used them at considerable length, and they are great.

i have a numark dmx-06 mixer... and its brilliant. had no problems with numark kit.

sweet...you like the dxm06?

Cool, I didn't know DMX had a mixer out. lol

Sorry, I couldn't resist that, had to do it. I'm new

thanks!

if you are a good guitarist, you can play on a shitty guitar and still sound good. the reason they use technics 1200 in the DMCs is b/c the DMCs have been around before they had vestax turntables, and technics is a sponsor of the DMCs as well.

No, DMC is just a sponsor.

I mean Panasonic-Technics

the dmx-06 is a great mixer.

packed with loads more features than i could have ever expected for under 200 quid at the time.

faders are smooth, and the crossfader has put up with some serious abuse to date, with next to no bleeding (only when i dont cover it and it gets dust in there - quick blast with the air duster sorts that out).

the kills are great for stopping rumble while i scratch and the effects are pretty easy to use too.

all in all, champion.

its obviously no comparison for high-level scratch mixers, but its great in use for someone who wants quality with having to spend top money.

thats great sweet, im glad your having a good exp. with that mixer.

that mixer failed on me in 2 months. i guess its like the TTX1, some had issues, some didn't.

these r portable and work great on 45's set 45king.com

Vestax's torque is 2.7kg/cm.. while Numarks has adjustable torque wuth three settings of 2.5/ 3.7/ 4.7. But I am one of those that won't trust numark for anything, as I've heard horror stories @ every turn as well..



There is method to the madness of Vestax's tts. What some call 'plasticky', or 'looks like a toy', is what Vestax call a futuristic design and body, which they say is a technological innovation. The deck is made of high-density molded polyacetal plastic, which assists to reduce the effect of external vibrations, provides for excellent acoustic sounds, and is a great reducer of feedback.

Plus you won't beat Vestax's 'ASTS' and 'Dynamic Balance' tone arm technology. It is not a toy folks, it is patented technology. With the QFO, or the 2300MKII, you can scratch with the table at 80 degrees without skippage. With techs, you have to make sure your decks are level to get good performance -- with Vestax technology you need not worry about that. You can have your decks on uneven tables and not worry. The motor on the Vestaxes are controlled by a 32bit CPU (that makes its reaction time 1/100 seconds).

So, no, it is not 'just a toy' (well, all DJ gear is like a toy for me... like a kid in a candy store).



DMC won't let you use any other decks in their competitions exept 12s...

Are we talking about TT's or Space Shuttles?



Well, I know what deck to get to now to hang beside my plasma. LOL!

Naw, seriously. That's some good info click. Didn't know that they were that serious with their design.

right ok i agree thats good 80º is quality but why is it needed?

I have only been spinning for 8 years, maybe once i'm more experienced i will find a use for that but know imo that is totally pointless

Just my 3 dollars and 64 cent

No ones going to scratch at that angle. The point is that whether the surface your scratching on is uneven or unstable, the Vestax can take it. Only turntable out there that can do so.

The Vestax PDX series are hands down the best turntablist/scratch turntables out there. Technics have a tendency for skipping even with the smallest setup errors. The PDX Pro series gives skipless performance even with a combination of fucked up vinyl, bashed up needle, and a heavy handed amateur. www.skratchworx.com And for those of you heavy-handed people who complained about a wobbley platter, that's your fault, but Vestax fixed it anyway; MKII and up is installed with a new, lower profile platter.

Vestax PDXs are my favorite tables, I swear by them.

i would love to try out the mkII (pro) models. I have had 2 pdx-2000's (mk1) for 5 years or so and I like them a lot, especially the torque which is about perfect (techs don't respond instantly and the new OEM's -stanton st-150/SynQ xtrm-1/AA/Akiyama/... have too much torque in my opinion), but my pdx's are not perfect (rumbling platter, when I tap gently on the plastic casing, i hear it through my speakers). the pdx-2000 and 2300 mk2 pro look very sexy i think.

Straight tone arms may be near-"skipless," but they cause more record wear.

No, no they don't. www.kabusa.com

That info. might apply if the tone-arm were not positioned to the right.

I think you misunderstood the article, or clearly didn't bother to read it...

I says in plain light.....



While making clear there are different tone arm set ups, not just the fault of stylus used, it also states....



then it concludes clearly...



I think it only says to use conical or spherical shaped styli, because elliptical styli will cut your records to shreds, not because they (conical or spherical) won't cause wear...

maybe I am wrong, but I don't think so...seems pretty clear to me..

well, I can tell from my own experience that there is no excessive groove wear if you use a shure m44-7 (or G). My first carts on my pdx's were Ortofon Concorde Pro's and they trashed my 1st battle record within 6 months. I've been using the same battle record for 3-4 years now with m44-7's and it's still ok.

No, M-447's are not the holy grail. I've had a pair. They will cause excessive burn, just as any cart, with a saight arm tonearm.

Click, don't act like a twit. I read the article, while fully comprehending it.

YOU misunderstood me. I'm not the most versed in mathematical or architectural terminology. I was making reference to the base of the tonearm in the diagram having a center on axis with te platter, unlike a typical straight-arm DJ turntable.

i use 1200s mainly. my daughter seems to like the 2300 tho:

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Cute kid!

thanks, that set up is the one i use for production so thats why it sits low. it was funy cuz i scratch a lot while i hold her and she watches what i do then one day she just walked up to that set up, grabbed the fader, and started pushing the platter around.

Ha! I like the the white fencing around the system and your daughter. "You will stay in there until I hear a good beat-match and two good flares!!" =)

I wasn't referring to you.. I was talkng to wakka..

Who's the twit now?

;)

ha. i use that to protect my gear while i'm at work and her and her mom stay home all day. if i'm inside the gate playing she stands at it and yells at me until i let her in. she loves hip hop and dancing.

A True fan!

Funny, I kind of gauge my mixing by the wifes reaction. Sometimes I'll be practicing while she is making dinner and after I do a mix or a stunt I'll look up to see if she is grovin or if I caught her attention with a cool stunt. If I had a kid waiting, cheering, yelling, for me behind the fencing my head would be all swole...talkin 'bout uhhhh,*baby scratch* Daddy's the stunt master *baby scratch*!! LOL!

is in the Sertaro for the Vestenx for ok in the using these like TTXX's

thanks

Here we go! LOL!

No... thank you!

And yes to your question.

thanks

like i said before, im using vestax pdx2000s.

i get a lot of buildup of cack on my needles after just one or two spins of a serato record.

it tends to be black.

are my needles cutting the hell out of my control vinyls?

will using schure m44-7s prolong (dont ask what im using now) my vinyl life, and help tracking?

Are you a Stanton 500 cartridge user?

Do they still make those?! I had them exclusively my first few years as a DJ.

i am :(

woe is me.

iv actually bitten the bullet and ordered m44-7s

I hate they things nearly as much as i hate FS, easily the worst carts i have ever had

I was testing you... to see if you could catch me. Good, you're learning young grasshoppa

Huh?

shush, both of you... you're just making noise now.

are you talking to me? why is it i not anyting bads

I use PDX2000 Mk1 and they are great turntables for scratching.

I love them BUT... Although Vestax says it is a special plastic it is still plastic. Perfect for home-use. And the guy who is saying "to much torque"... Come on. Thats like saying i don't like a Brabus CLS because its 730 BHP are to much.....

Sad thing is. A lot of the early MK1 PDX got problems with the motor (spinning wrong directon, makes funky moves) and the platter wobbles, which sucks for scratching. Both of mine were new when i purchased them, both platters wobbled. Sent them back to vestax support. 2 Months later i got them back. And guess what? One platter wobbled again after 1 month.

But they fixed this issue on the Mk2.

phil, what other TT's do you use/own or what do you gig with?

No gig-dj. Just scratching. Pdx mk1+mk2. I'm using the second table only for instrumentals. No mixing, juggling, just scratching. Had 12s but sold them after 2 weeks.

Gotcha...

Why did you sell the 12's? Curious because most say 12's are the ticket.

12s are for sure the best option if you are a gig-dj. Solid as a tank.

I always wanted to have 12s. Why? They are a legend. After scratching for like 3-4 years i decided to buy 12s, but was not pleased with them at all. Yeah solid and durable, but i am a bedroom scratch-dj and don't carry them around. And the torque of the PDX is superior compared to the Technics. Plus i love to cut @low pitch. (-20 to -30). I was just used to PDX. So sold the 12s.

Thanks for the info.

I think the numark tt500s are awesome. High torque nice pitch slider which goes upto 50%. Had it for maybe 5-7 months now and i've taken them to hella gigs and stuff. but yea they are dope

See i'm not a fan of high torque, i get much better drags for instance on a lower torque deck liek the 1210. but then i learnt on a very cheap beltdrive so i'm very very light on the record hand.

the low pitch is the only thing that really interests me about the Vestax.

I have cut on the top end Stantons and they were nice...

Someone not feeling high-torque makes no sense to me. My current Techs' motors are weakening, and I'm missing the torque of new ones.

strange, stanton st(r)-150 (i guess that's the one you're referring to) has way more torque than a pdx-2000.

well what do you need high torque for exactly?

Scratchign wise all it does is help with the pick up of the record, not much else. dosen't do anything with mixing.

So if you're very lght on the record, low torque isn't a problem with the pick up of the record and technique wise it can be easier as you're not fighting with the torque on the pull back.

High torque will help you with Stabs and Chirps as it'll pick up quicker i suppose, but not for slower pause style techniques like Drags, Tears etc...

I've had my Tech's for 17 years and they pick up like they did when i first got them.

I guess ultimatly it's just what ever your personal style best suits.

Yeah indeed, but my staments not syaing i prefered them to anythign just saying they are nice decks for a high torque motor. Would still walk up to a Tech before it though if they were both sat there.

I've toyed with getting a lone Vestax for cutting but i really don't feel that much difference with my style of cutting.