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Denon DJ DN-HC1000S "Serato ScrathLIVE MIDI Controller!!"

Dj BuddyLove 4:28 AM - 18 September, 2009
how come i dont see anybody talking bout these things???

im getting me one :O)
"who want to buy a perfectly new Stanton scs.3d" LOL

Denon DJ DN-HC1000S

www.scratchlive.net
skratchworx.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj BuddyLove 4:50 AM - 18 September, 2009
DJ Unique 4:54 AM - 18 September, 2009
HaHaHaHa Buddy.
I'm getting one of these for sure.

This controller has 4 scenes. One pre-set and the other 3 can be programmed to do whatever you want. I guess people that don't have midi mixers can use this for VSL as well.
Dj BuddyLove 5:16 AM - 18 September, 2009
169.99
www.pssl.com!swaxH7FMnYUQy8A829l!Mg!/Denon-DN-HC1000S-Serato-Scratch-Live-Controler-s
Dj BuddyLove 5:18 AM - 18 September, 2009
^^link fail sorry
www.bhphotovideo.com
DJ Shameless 11:39 AM - 18 September, 2009
i have seen some threads.... mostly diss-ing the placement of the usb.
VJ Justin Allen 11:49 AM - 18 September, 2009
It doesn't ship until October 30th
Soulsonica™ 11:57 AM - 18 September, 2009
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how come i dont see anybody talking bout these things???



Haha, I was talking about it a while ago: www.scratchlive.net

Yeah, I'm getting one too. Very excited for this to drop. :D
C. William 6:09 PM - 18 September, 2009
i'm definitely gonna hook one up too.

i'm mainly just excited to have a way to scroll and load tracks without having my hands on the laptop all night.
BriChi 11:06 PM - 18 September, 2009
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i have seen some threads.... mostly diss-ing the placement of the usb.

if pio made one and put the usb in the same spot, no one would complain, LOL
Dj Lil Mario 11:22 PM - 18 September, 2009
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i have seen some threads.... mostly diss-ing the placement of the usb.

if pio made one and put the usb in the same spot, no one would complain, LOL

Lol.....Thats True!!!
I Love Denon Products, Ive allways been a Denon DJ. Im just glad that Ill now be able to use Denon with my serato and turnatables!
Soulsonica™ 11:22 PM - 18 September, 2009
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if pio made one and put the usb in the same spot, no one would complain, LOL



and would cost twice as much lol
DJPolska 11:35 PM - 18 September, 2009
I actually got to see it and touch it at the DJ Expo this year. its hella heavy for a little thing.
looks good though
Dj BuddyLove 9:56 AM - 19 September, 2009
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HaHaHaHa Buddy.
I'm getting one of these for sure.

This controller has 4 scenes. One pre-set and the other 3 can be programmed to do whatever you want. I guess people that don't have midi mixers can use this for VSL as well.



where did you see it has 4 scenes Unique??
havent found that anywhere or it sliped by me?
Dj BuddyLove 10:04 AM - 19 September, 2009
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i have seen some threads.... mostly diss-ing the placement of the usb.


yea!!
i see different peoples point or view. i think it will work out great for me.
it wouls have been better if they would have used a concept simular to how stanton did to their scs.3d DaScratch Unit..
xplycyt 11:37 AM - 19 September, 2009
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yea!!
i see different peoples point or view. i think it will work out great for me.
it wouls have been better if they would have used a concept simular to how stanton did to their scs.3d DaScratch Unit..


I was actually thinking of getting the scs.3d thing? What don't you like about it? Why are you thinking of replacing it with the Denon controller?
VJ Justin Allen 11:58 AM - 19 September, 2009
I read about the 4 scenes as well, forget where.
VJ Justin Allen 12:04 PM - 19 September, 2009
FOund it in a posted reply from Denon

Here you go:

You can map all that extra stuff in SSL from MIDI pages 2,3,4

SSL reserves MIDI Page 1 for all the above listed features, plug&play.

To change MIDI pages is simple.
Push the "Shift" + "Browse" button for page 2
Push the "Shift" + "History" button for page 3
Push the "Shift" + "Prepare" button for page 4
Push the "Shift" + "Files" button to return to page 1
VJ Justin Allen 12:07 PM - 19 September, 2009
Just looked at the picture of it, the buttons for doing this seem pretty easy to get back and forth to. The only problem I can see with doing this is remembering which midi page you are on. I can see me moving around to different pages and then forgetting which one I am on and screwing up a mix.

I wonder if there is any lights that will indicate which page you are on?
DJPolska 5:04 PM - 19 September, 2009
i just dont understand how is it easier to yse such a midi controller than a keyboard. keyboard is right there. perfect placement. I have no clue where i would put that denon controller for it to be more comfy than keyboard.
VJ Justin Allen 5:06 PM - 19 September, 2009
Having knobs is somewhat easier than the keyboard for scrolling thru options. Also, having a BIG rubber button with "HIT ME" on it may be easier to use....you know, if you perhaps maybe have had a small shot or two.
DJPolska 5:17 PM - 19 September, 2009
lol scrolling on the mac with two fingers on the touch pad cant get much easier.
but also how about the placement any ideas where to keep it? i need a midi controller for VSL like nanoKontrol or nocturn.
Dj BuddyLove 9:45 PM - 19 September, 2009
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yea!!
i see different peoples point or view. i think it will work out great for me.
it wouls have been better if they would have used a concept simular to how stanton did to their scs.3d DaScratch Unit..


I was actually thinking of getting the scs.3d thing? What don't you like about it? Why are you thinking of replacing it with the Denon controller?


actually i love the thing..i just want something like the denon made for ssl..
i wont really be getting rid of my 3d..im also prob going to get a 2nd one. "free of course" dont ask me how if i told ya id have to kill ya..lol
the only thing "for me" that i dont like about the 3d is no way the set a loop roll nand be able to roll it up bars ond down bars..you need some sorts knob for that..so i had to midi assign one of my knobs on my mixer for that..tooo much stuff to remember.
i like this denon made for ssl.. :)
Dj BuddyLove 10:01 PM - 19 September, 2009
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Just looked at the picture of it, the buttons for doing this seem pretty easy to get back and forth to. The only problem I can see with doing this is remembering which midi page you are on. I can see me moving around to different pages and then forgetting which one I am on and screwing up a mix.

I wonder if there is any lights that will indicate which page you are on?

i177.photobucket.com

dont see any light dots??
your right though will get confusing..
Dj BuddyLove 10:05 PM - 19 September, 2009
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Just looked at the picture of it, the buttons for doing this seem pretty easy to get back and forth to. The only problem I can see with doing this is remembering which midi page you are on. I can see me moving around to different pages and then forgetting which one I am on and screwing up a mix.

I wonder if there is any lights that will indicate which page you are on?

i177.photobucket.com

dont see any light dots??
your right though will get confusing..


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To change MIDI pages is simple.
Push the "Shift" + "Browse" button for page 2
Push the "Shift" + "History" button for page 3
Push the "Shift" + "Prepare" button for page 4
Push the "Shift" + "Files" button to return to page 1


mabey the Files, Browse, History, Prepare button will flash or be lite vise/versa to let you know what sceen you're in??
Dj BuddyLove 11:37 PM - 20 September, 2009
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Just looked at the picture of it, the buttons for doing this seem pretty easy to get back and forth to. The only problem I can see with doing this is remembering which midi page you are on. I can see me moving around to different pages and then forgetting which one I am on and screwing up a mix.

I wonder if there is any lights that will indicate which page you are on?


just found a responce quote from denon about this..

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The CUE 1,2,3,4 button LEDs on both sides come on as you switch MIDI pages 1-4
Example, when you push "Shift + Browse", Cue 2 right and Cue 2 left leds turn on until you let go of the keys.
Soulsonica™ 12:29 AM - 21 September, 2009
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The CUE 1,2,3,4 button LEDs on both sides come on as you switch MIDI pages 1-4
Example, when you push "Shift + Browse", Cue 2 right and Cue 2 left leds turn on until you let go of the keys.


Unless I'm reading this wrong, it sounds like the only visual indication to let you know which page you are on is when you are actually changing the page. There isn't a visual indicator that stays latched on to let the user know what page they're on at any given time? Yikes, that's not good. Still getting one though in hopes there's some way to work around what seems like a much needed feature.
Dj BuddyLove 12:46 AM - 21 September, 2009
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The CUE 1,2,3,4 button LEDs on both sides come on as you switch MIDI pages 1-4
Example, when you push "Shift + Browse", Cue 2 right and Cue 2 left leds turn on until you let go of the keys.


Unless I'm reading this wrong, it sounds like the only visual indication to let you know which page you are on is when you are actually changing the page. There isn't a visual indicator that stays latched on to let the user know what page they're on at any given time? Yikes, that's not good. Still getting one though in hopes there's some way to work around what seems like a much needed feature.


only wok around i see if this is correct..is that you must press "shift + browse" to let you know?? no stay on indicator lights..yikes X2

serato mods "anyone!!!" can you clarifiy this...
Soulsonica™ 1:07 AM - 21 September, 2009
I really hope this info is incorrect. Just like I hope there is an additional USB port that allows for connection other/opposing side. Also hope the labeling on all those rubber keys isn't like a lot of other Denon products that look great out of the box, but a few month's later has all the text/icons wearing off (especially when it only costs pennies more on the production side to do it proper from the start). Stuff like this always baffles me. Manufacturers going though all the trouble of designing and producing a product from the ground up without any apparent consultation with those who will actually will be using said product out in the field (experienced, working DJs). It often seems like they get 80% done and then just give up prematurely on what would otherwise be a grand slam offering. I'm not just picking on Denon here. This chain of events is sadly repeated many times by many manufacturers. Somebody of official knowledge please ease my speculative concerns.
DENON 2:12 AM - 21 September, 2009
Hey Soulsonica,

The USB port will only be found on the left side.
The idea was to place this controller in front or behind your mixer and in front of your computer. If the cable were mounted in the back, you couldn't place it right up against anything, so the side was the best place.

There is only one indication when you switch MIDI pages as mentioned above.
Page 1 is for SSL. Page 2-4 is open for mapping.
The most important ones are found and pre-labeled on page 1
I really don’t think you will get past page 2 with all the other key items.
There are 41 keys and 3 knobs that you can map per page. (that’s 132 possible mapped features…are you going to remember them all…?)

I already mapped the left & right knobs on page 2 to the pitch slider, and the center knob for VSL crossfade. Fwd & Back = play/pause
Soulsonica™ 1:37 PM - 21 September, 2009
Thanks for the quick reply Denon.

I understand the logic for putting the USB port on the left side based on the setup scenarios you described, and you're right that will handle most situations. It just would've been nice if Denon had added a port on the other side for other setup situations - especially since it probably only would've cost pennies to do so and enhanced the flexibility. Anyway, out of the three concerns I mentioned, the USB port is last on my list. The missing LED indicators to let you know what page you are on seems like a huge oversight. Again, the addition of four LEDs would've only cost pennies to implement and would've added a great deal of convenience. It can't be a cost issue. In the DJ booth it's all about workflow and speed, and if you don't know what page you're on when reaching for this controller it slows you down because you won't know at a glance rather you'll have to press a combo of buttons before getting on with what you wanted to trigger. I think you're right that most users will never get past page 2, but even with that you still have the same problem and will need to waste the same amount of time figuring out what page you're on (1 or 2) because there's nothing to let you know til you press some buttons.

Any info on whether or not higher grade buttons and button labeling was used so text/icons don't wear off life other Denon products?
VJ Justin Allen 1:46 PM - 21 September, 2009
I have already stated my issues with knowing what midi page you are on earlier in this thread. The other reason I actually think that I might go with the new Akai LPD8 vs this unit is the lack of knobs. VSL seems to use more knob controls than are available.

I love this for the audio set-up but why is it that the last 2 companies that have come out with what should be great new products (Denon and Pioneer) have bypassed the growing use of Video...and the controls that are needed for it. 2 LPD8's may be better (and easier to place) than one Denon unit.

Of course, this is personal opinion. What is fact is the lack of not knowing what midi page you are on.

Possible Solution: Firmware upgrade to allow you to hit SHIFT and TAP(or LOOP ROLL button) that will "light up" the cue button that corresponds to the current midi page. I can see that there are no lights on the center buttons so you cannot do anything there...and the SHIFT CUE 5 button is already taken.
DENON 9:53 PM - 21 September, 2009
Thanks for the great feedback guys!

About the button labels, there is no answer for that because its all conditional, only time will tell.

About the MIDI pages indication.
The best solution is, if you forgot where you are, just go to that midi page again by the [shift + x] before you press any real command. (there are only 4 choices)

I can guarantee that you wont spend much time on these other pages because all the main stuff is found on page 1
So you will go to page 2, do your thing, then jump right back to page 1.
Soulsonica™ 9:58 PM - 21 September, 2009
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Thanks for the great feedback guys!.


No sweat. Thanks for coming out with what looks like a very cool product! Looking forward to getting my hands on one.
DJCLEURY 1:37 AM - 1 October, 2009
Would I be able to use this controller in Relative mode????
Logisticalstyles 1:58 AM - 1 October, 2009
I'm gonna get this. It won't untie me from the computer completely, but it will help a lot.
Gor 2:03 AM - 1 October, 2009
cheap as chips from the states, 169 bucks. Theyre looking for close to 500 aussie bucks over here. what a rip off.
xplycyt 2:30 AM - 1 October, 2009
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cheap as chips from the states, 169 bucks. Theyre looking for close to 500 aussie bucks over here. what a rip off.


Where did you see it advertised in Aus? Can't seem to find any retailers that even know about it...
lvmez 3:01 AM - 1 October, 2009
will i be able to use it with vsl? will i be able to assign effects?
djsyn 10:52 PM - 12 October, 2009
i've been checking guitar center, sweetwater, and musicians friend everyday, has anyone heard about a release date. all i've heard is late oct. i want one of these bad
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:56 PM - 13 October, 2009
I keep hearing the same thing about late October
vinylmanipulator 2:50 AM - 14 October, 2009
Is this rack mountable? I had the idea to grab some rails and bend them and attach it to my 57. My buttons are in good condition and I would like to keep them that way.
Gor 6:32 AM - 14 October, 2009
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cheap as chips from the states, 169 bucks. Theyre looking for close to 500 aussie bucks over here. what a rip off.


Where did you see it advertised in Aus? Can't seem to find any retailers that even know about it...


storedj.com.au
DJPolska 5:27 PM - 14 October, 2009
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Is this rack mountable? I had the idea to grab some rails and bend them and attach it to my 57. My buttons are in good condition and I would like to keep them that way.

no it is not rack mountable, unless you make some custom attachments. This thing is very small. I actually played with one at DJ Expo in atlantic city over the summer.
Chucks 8:44 PM - 14 October, 2009
pssl.com says oct 30.
Gor 9:36 PM - 14 October, 2009
yeh ill be getting mine from pssl!
Zjones 8:46 PM - 8 December, 2009
Wondering if anyone happens to know a release date in Canada. Placed an order for one at L&M but they couldn't tell me a date. Hoping to have it for new years.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:47 PM - 8 December, 2009
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how come i dont see anybody talking bout these things???

im getting me one :O)
"who want to buy a perfectly new Stanton scs.3d" LOL

Denon DJ DN-HC1000S

www.scratchlive.net
skratchworx.com
Watchwww.youtube.com Watchwww.youtube.com

www.scratchlive.net
eagsbfd 8:02 AM - 9 December, 2009
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Just looked at the picture of it, the buttons for doing this seem pretty easy to get back and forth to. The only problem I can see with doing this is remembering which midi page you are on. I can see me moving around to different pages and then forgetting which one I am on and screwing up a mix.

I wonder if there is any lights that will indicate which page you are on?


the cue button light comes on based on what channel you are on..
Soulsonica™ 6:30 PM - 9 December, 2009
Not to trample your thread Buddy, just letting other interested users/buyers about a quick review I posted about this piece here: www.scratchlive.net
Dreas Ducati 9:40 AM - 15 December, 2009
I just bought this product today. It didn't come with any CD Roms or anything it just says to plug it in and Play. I plugged it into my PC, and the Cue buttons blink twice and then it doesn't seem to work at all in my Serato, when I go into Midi mode to assign to buttons. Once something is Assigned to Midi it turns green....Mine just isn't doing anything....I don't think it's broken...I just think it doesn't want to work on PC whatsoever.... I am very very very frustrated at this point. Not sure what to do....I don't want to give up and return it just yet. I would appreciate it if anyone knows any solutions ?
WarpNote 10:08 AM - 15 December, 2009
Dreas, it is plug and play with 1.9.2 only, not the older versions of SSL.

To make it work, make sure you have deleted/renamed any old midi xml file.

Files will be in the MIDI subfolder in your local drive ScratchLIVE folder. Make sure you do this while SSL is NOT running.

Then make sure the Denon is unplugged, start SSL, make sure the Rane hardware is connected, then plug in your Denon.

The Denon should blink both cue1 buttons, and be ready for use. If any other cue button blinks instead, make shure to press [shift]+[files] at the same time, this shifts to midipage one (the native one).

Also, double check that there is no problems with your usb cable...

If you're still having issues Id say it's a fair chance there's some issue with your unit or computer, try it out on another computer to make sure, if that fails, you'll probably need to take it back and exchange it for a new one.
xplycyt 11:03 AM - 15 December, 2009
^^^you gotta love the support on this forum!
WarpNote 11:10 AM - 15 December, 2009
Spending my day in front of the computer(s) anyway, 4 computers actually, ripping cd's, glad to be of any help. This ripping work is soooo boooring, feel like a factory worker... ;)-
DENON 12:55 PM - 16 December, 2009
DMC Champion JFB rocks the DN-HC1000S + TTM57

Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:39 PM - 16 December, 2009
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DJ Dub Cowboy 6:23 PM - 16 December, 2009
what kind of stand is that that the 1000 is on? anyone know
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:28 PM - 16 December, 2009
Just found out my DN-HC1000S was ordered today!! HYPED
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:33 PM - 16 December, 2009
stoked for you, I want one pretty bad, but my supplier still hasn't gotten any
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:34 PM - 16 December, 2009
Mine was ordered from AGI
Polanka 6:37 PM - 16 December, 2009
I love my DN-HC1000S! It is perfect except for the tap button. I am hoping that Denon will release a firmware update to assing the tap button to the play command in Serato. If they do in fact release a new firmware it will make this a perfect device all around.
DENON 1:53 AM - 17 December, 2009
@Polanka, you can map PLAY (and others) for both decks on midi pages 2-4, this does not require a firmware change.
DJ Dub Cowboy 2:01 AM - 17 December, 2009
Denon, you keep posting about pages 2-4 but then we loose out on the cues lighting up AND being able to map the scroll wheel, plus we would manually have to map all the rest of the control out for those pages. I just don't think that is an acceptable solution for wanting to remap the Tap button.

I think we want to see a new page 1 firmware with re-mappable button
or
Just change the Tap button to 'switch to internal" since most users are asking for that specifically.

will either of those be possible in the near future?
WarpNote 8:32 AM - 17 December, 2009
Actually, I've gotten used to the TAP, and like it just the way it is. I normally check my needles quite often, so I don't need a fast internal emergency exit. In the few instances I wanna play using only the HC1000, I'm ok with mapping the buttons. Yeah, its a little work mapping it the first time, but once its done, and I just forget about it...
DJ Dub Cowboy 8:51 AM - 17 December, 2009
It's not a deal-breaker for me at all. F3 and F8 work just fine.

I just know that I use the switch to internal function more than the tap button.
I also know from experience that I don't switch pages on the fly even though I have several mapped out on my trigger finger and my nano kontrol.
WarpNote 9:22 AM - 17 December, 2009
True true, Dub.
Lately though, I've found I'm using the TAP a lot more. Before, whenever the BPM was unknown, or the track would fluctuate (those old 60s & 70s drugged down drummers...) I would solely rely on my ears to get the mix. Now, because the TAP function is so more accessible, I use it a lot more, and probably getting quicker beat matches, and yeah, I STILL use my ears to lock it down ;-)

Before everyone goes "he's-all-in-that-microwave-game" on me, tapping a beat in real time does improve your sense of rythm & tempo...

Also, I actually find it easier to change page on the HC1000 compared to my MPD24, guess its because of the lights.. (I only use page 1 & page 2 on the Denon)

But yeah, back to the issue, edit page 1 possibility would be optimal, and far more flexible. Even if I had to do it in some hack way Id would like to know how.
(compared to this example of "Changing Shortcuts with After Effects"
-> podcasts.creativecow.net)

Nik39 and Konix? Are you up for the challenge ? :D

So, Serato & Denon, any luck getting somthing like this in maybe SSL 2.0 ?
Black Science 6:36 PM - 17 December, 2009
Yep, the changing of pages is easier. Still, it's bizarre as to why Denon didn't just include LED indicators for the pages that latch on.

I don't know how to do the hack either, but I wish Denon would fix all the button lights working on pages 2-4. Why was this released without that working?
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:37 PM - 17 December, 2009
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Yep, the changing of pages is easier. Still, it's bizarre as to why Denon didn't just include LED indicators for the pages that latch on.

I don't know how to do the hack either, but I wish Denon would fix all the button lights working on pages 2-4. Why was this released without that working?

+1
Polanka 7:34 PM - 17 December, 2009
++1
WarpNote 11:50 PM - 17 December, 2009
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Yep, the changing of pages is easier. Still, it's bizarre as to why Denon didn't just include LED indicators for the pages that latch on.

I don't know how to do the hack either, but I wish Denon would fix all the button lights working on pages 2-4. Why was this released without that working?

Yeah, don't know that much about midi communication myself. Does other midi controllers have feedback info coming back to the controllers from the SSL software? (ie lights on/off/blinking) Reason I'm asking is Ive never seen it before. I suspect there is some HID stuff going on for native page 1 ..?
Polanka 6:31 PM - 18 December, 2009
I am still hopeful that Denon will in fact release a firmware upgrade real soon.
Rebelguy 6:58 PM - 18 December, 2009
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I am still hopeful that Denon will in fact release a firmware upgrade real soon.


Depends what you consider real soon. They have a lot of firmware updates to work on for other products...haha
DENON 10:53 PM - 18 December, 2009
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Yep, the changing of pages is easier. Still, it's bizarre as to why Denon didn't just include LED indicators for the pages that latch on.


This is great information to know for future products, thanks.

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I don't know how to do the hack either, but I wish Denon would fix all the button lights working on pages 2-4. Why was this released without that working?


All the button LEDs for pages 2-4 work right now, however, Scratch Live "only" supports MIDI page 1 natively. If they were to support page 2 or more, they would be able to turn all those lights on. In other words, all the LEDs are controlled from the app side, not Denon. So please make your requests for additional page support or changing the TAP key to become PLAY to the super Serato team in the proper forum area.
Dj-M.Bezzle 11:00 PM - 18 December, 2009
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So please make your requests for additional page support or changing the TAP key to become PLAY to the super Serato team in the proper forum area.


touche lol
treeo730 12:23 AM - 19 December, 2009
Good to see Denon here
Polanka 4:21 PM - 21 December, 2009
Thanks Denon. We will have to bug Serato for all the changes.
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:50 PM - 21 December, 2009
the good part about that is, Serato is probably already on it
VJ Justin Allen 6:09 PM - 21 December, 2009
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the good part about that is, Serato is probably already on it


They never read these forums. :)
J.J. 7:00 PM - 21 December, 2009
You guys. All the buttons can already be remapped on the FIRST LAYER. You know how users are complaining that the buttons don't work correctly until they delete the old MIDI maps. BINGO.

Well, you have to write your new maps. However, it is not that easy.

With a program like OSX MIDI or Bome's Midi Translator, I was able to change Denon's DN-HC4500 Native MIDI Map to my custom MAP. Serato didn't recognize the input anymore and I could use the controller as any standard MIDI controller. Instead of the TAP button being used for BPM, I changed it to the censor button etc. I had a detailed tutorial how to do this on the denondjforums.com before it was lost (last backup was November of 2008). Eventually, I will post a complete HOW TO on my website www.poweronplay.com

Try this...
1. Load on old version of SSL (before Native DN-HC1000S support)
2. Do a manual custom MAP. Assign only the buttons on the HC1000s that you want to be different. For instance: Assign Tap to Internal
3. Go to Setup/ MIDI and name and save your MIDI Map. Do a backup in Windows Explorer (C:\Users\JJ\Music\ScratchLIVE\MIDI <--- I forgot the last folder)
4. Load the newest SSL with Native DN-HC1000S Support
5. Assign that same MAP.... Let me know if it worked.
Polanka 7:14 PM - 21 December, 2009
Thanks J.J!! I will give that a try and will let you know.
Polanka 4:45 AM - 22 December, 2009
You the man J.J.!!!!!! I was able to map the tab button to the play command. Thank you for the great work around!! I am now fully satisfied with my HC1000. Out of curiosity how did you find this work around?
Cyberia 6:35 AM - 22 December, 2009
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You guys. All the buttons can already be remapped on the FIRST LAYER. You know how users are complaining that the buttons don't work correctly until they delete the old MIDI maps. BINGO.

Well, you have to write your new maps. However, it is not that easy.

With a program like OSX MIDI or Bome's Midi Translator, I was able to change Denon's DN-HC4500 Native MIDI Map to my custom MAP. Serato didn't recognize the input anymore and I could use the controller as any standard MIDI controller. Instead of the TAP button being used for BPM, I changed it to the censor button etc. I had a detailed tutorial how to do this on the denondjforums.com before it was lost (last backup was November of 2008). Eventually, I will post a complete HOW TO on my website www.poweronplay.com

Try this...
1. Load on old version of SSL (before Native DN-HC1000S support)
2. Do a manual custom MAP. Assign only the buttons on the HC1000s that you want to be different. For instance: Assign Tap to Internal
3. Go to Setup/ MIDI and name and save your MIDI Map. Do a backup in Windows Explorer (C:\Users\JJ\Music\ScratchLIVE\MIDI <--- I forgot the last folder)
4. Load the newest SSL with Native DN-HC1000S Support
5. Assign that same MAP.... Let me know if it worked.


Man, THANKS!!! I will finally get one of these if someone else can confirm that the remap was successful and that all the LED lights work. Great work.
Polanka 3:55 PM - 22 December, 2009
Cyberia, It worked for me. All the lights still work and it was super easy to do. The only bad part is that anything you remap will not light up. But I can live with that since I only wanted to remap the tap button. So everything but the tap button lights up on mine. Thanks again J.J.!!!
Cyberia 5:34 PM - 22 December, 2009
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Cyberia, It worked for me. All the lights still work and it was super easy to do. The only bad part is that anything you remap will not light up. But I can live with that since I only wanted to remap the tap button. So everything but the tap button lights up on mine. Thanks again J.J.!!!


Cool thanks man! The only button I want remaped is the tap as well. Thanks for the response and thanks again JJ.
Dreas Ducati 10:55 PM - 22 December, 2009
Ok so I already Updated to the 1.9.2 of SSL...Which I should have mentioned earlier...and I also Deleted the Midi XML File...And it still doesn't work on my PC ??? It works on my iMac, but I need it to work on my PC Laptop which is an Acer Ferrari 5000. I got my Korg Nano Pad to work on my PC with SSL just fine....But why won't it recognize the DENON HC1000s ? I know my Laptop handle's Midi.....I evan tried uninstalling the Korg Midi driver so there wouldn't be any interference or confusion.....I also tried upgrading my Audio Driver on my PC...It says it's installed properly in the Installation Wizard...Its says it's a "USB Audio" Device, in the Device Manager...I also Upgraded to Windows SP3 as well....Why won't this work ? Is there any MIDI software out there or Midi Drivers I can download that will make it work on my PC ? Why couldn't Denon just make more of an effort here....Plug and Play yea right !!!! Maybe on my MAC....Evan my Korg Nano Pad is supposed to be Plug and Play but that didn't work until I downloaded a driver for it that I found on the Internet....There's gotta be something that will make this work....So here's a quick Recap....I got the latest Serato, Got the latest Windows XP, Tried the Denon on my Mac so I know it works....Got the Latest Serato which also works....Deleted the XML file....What am I doing wrong ? USB cable is good....The Cue 1 lights both blink..I hit shift files 1....So I should be ready to go...But then boom ! the minute I go to assign cue point or do anything with the unit...No response....This is very very very frustrating.....The only good thing so farr is if I decide to give up which I havn't at this point....is that if I toss it in the Ocean the Denon Unit is heavy enough to sink to the bottom of the sea floor ! lol....But I'm trying to use it on the dance floor by next Thursday...So I'm running out of time here, and I need a Quick fix !!! Somebody anybody help me !!! I paid my hard earned Dollars for this, which may not seem like allot to most people but right now what good is it....Denon and Serato need to post some kind of Driver download on their site or something out there that will make this thing work regardless on all PC's right about now....Because right now it's sink or swim...and so farr I'm sinking deeper into more anguish and upset. I want this thing to work because so farr, there's nothing else like it in the Market Place....Atleast not that I can afford.
Rebelguy 1:28 AM - 23 December, 2009
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Ok so I already Updated to the 1.9.2 of SSL...Which I should have mentioned earlier...and I also Deleted the Midi XML File...And it still doesn't work on my PC ??? It works on my iMac, but I need it to work on my PC Laptop which is an Acer Ferrari 5000. I got my Korg Nano Pad to work on my PC with SSL just fine....But why won't it recognize the DENON HC1000s ? I know my Laptop handle's Midi.....I evan tried uninstalling the Korg Midi driver so there wouldn't be any interference or confusion.....I also tried upgrading my Audio Driver on my PC...It says it's installed properly in the Installation Wizard...Its says it's a "USB Audio" Device, in the Device Manager...I also Upgraded to Windows SP3 as well....Why won't this work ? Is there any MIDI software out there or Midi Drivers I can download that will make it work on my PC ? Why couldn't Denon just make more of an effort here....Plug and Play yea right !!!! Maybe on my MAC....Evan my Korg Nano Pad is supposed to be Plug and Play but that didn't work until I downloaded a driver for it that I found on the Internet....There's gotta be something that will make this work....So here's a quick Recap....I got the latest Serato, Got the latest Windows XP, Tried the Denon on my Mac so I know it works....Got the Latest Serato which also works....Deleted the XML file....What am I doing wrong ? USB cable is good....The Cue 1 lights both blink..I hit shift files 1....So I should be ready to go...But then boom ! the minute I go to assign cue point or do anything with the unit...No response....This is very very very frustrating.....The only good thing so farr is if I decide to give up which I havn't at this point....is that if I toss it in the Ocean the Denon Unit is heavy enough to sink to the bottom of the sea floor ! lol....But I'm trying to use it on the dance floor by next Thursday...So I'm running out of time here, and I need a Quick fix !!! Somebody anybody help me !!! I paid my hard earned Dollars for this, which may not seem like allot to most people but right now what good is it....Denon and Serato need to post some kind of Driver download on their site or something out there that will make this thing work regardless on all PC's right about now....Because right now it's sink or swim...and so farr I'm sinking deeper into more anguish and upset. I want this thing to work because so farr, there's nothing else like it in the Market Place....Atleast not that I can afford.


I am sure there are a few paragraph breaks that could have been possible in this mess. My eyes got sore just looking at it.
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:51 AM - 23 December, 2009
LOL. I didn't want to say it but yeah...
Dreas Ducati 9:55 AM - 23 December, 2009
Hey sorry if I got a little carried away everyone...I'm just looking for a solution, to get my HC1000s working with my PC....I'm am a very Dedicated DJ, and I will stay Loyal to Serato no matter what ! So I'm in it to win it till the end !
treeo730 6:27 PM - 23 December, 2009
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Hey sorry if I got a little carried away everyone...I'm just looking for a solution, to get my HC1000s working with my PC....I'm am a very Dedicated DJ, and I will stay Loyal to Serato no matter what ! So I'm in it to win it till the end !

Wasn't that the speech in Braveheart
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:32 PM - 23 December, 2009
LOL
Dreas Ducati 9:25 PM - 26 December, 2009
Hey if you guys don't have answers to my questions, or some type of solutions...I would appreciate if you stayed away from my questions and didn't laugh at me or mock me. I'm not the one to be making fun....You'd be extremley pissed too, if you bought a Denon HC1000s and all of a sudden it doesn't seem to work at all with your PC.... I'm hoping to find some solutions here..thanks
DJ Dub Cowboy 9:29 PM - 26 December, 2009
sorry bro. I would be pissed too.

can you get it to control midi functions on your PC with a different program?
eagsbfd 6:46 PM - 27 December, 2009
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Hey if you guys don't have answers to my questions, or some type of solutions...I would appreciate if you stayed away from my questions and didn't laugh at me or mock me. I'm not the one to be making fun....You'd be extremley pissed too, if you bought a Denon HC1000s and all of a sudden it doesn't seem to work at all with your PC.... I'm hoping to find some solutions here..thanks


I plugged my hc-1000 into my pc and it worked fine with serato. the problem you descibe seems to point to the wrong mode in ssl.

are you in abs mode?

i also had no trouble mapping the other channels on the denon.
WarpNote 7:45 PM - 27 December, 2009
Maybe try to remove the Korg Nano Driver?
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:14 PM - 28 December, 2009
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I would appreciate if you stayed away from my questions and didn't laugh at me or mock me. I'm not the one to be making fun


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah pointing finger
Eduardo Serrano 11:28 PM - 5 October, 2010
So there is no way to map a key on scene/page 1 huh? Then, I would like to use all the preset mappings on page 1 and re-map them on page2, I am sure I can do that right?

I want to map some VSL functions and have them all in one page. So I thought of remapping all from page one onto page two but when I diplsplay the mapper in SL I don't really see what I can use to load a song to a deck, any ideas? how do I map A Load button in the controller ? map to what? Also howdo I map the loop cut button on the controler to the auto loop button in Serato? any ideas?
Logisticalstyles 1:21 AM - 6 October, 2010
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Hey sorry if I got a little carried away everyone...I'm just looking for a solution, to get my HC1000s working with my PC....I'm am a very Dedicated DJ, and I will stay Loyal to Serato no matter what ! So I'm in it to win it till the end !


Not sure if this helps any but, when I use my Denon controller on my PC I usually have to plug and unplug it 3 to 4 times before it works properly. I don't know why it does this, but that's the way it is. When I plug it in the first or second time some lights come on, but I know it's not fully connected until I see the green Tap buttons light up.
Eduardo Serrano 4:32 AM - 6 October, 2010
JJ please post a detailed steps to remap page # 1. I only want to map 2 buttos to control my VSL video slider.
DJ Neil Haines 10:12 AM - 6 October, 2010
I love my new Denon HC1000S although I have three suggestions for Denon and/or Serato for point 3:

1. Re-position the USB interface to the rear centre of the unit.
2. Supply a longer USB cable. I now have a 3 metre cable which is required for my set-up as the 1 metre was useless.
3. Modify the unit to allow ease of identifing what channel is selected. This could also be provided by an indication on the lap-top screen of Serato Scratch Live, which would actually be a better work around.

On the positve side the unit is extremely reliable and fun to use and helps with keeping your hands from the lap-top and more importantly on the decks and mixer.
Marqs 2:38 PM - 6 October, 2010
4. Modify the unit to display cue points on HC1000S the same colour as they are inside Serato Scratch Live app.
DJ Neil Haines 3:19 PM - 7 October, 2010
That's a great idea also Marqs! That should also have been thought of by Denon.
psalmon 6:51 PM - 23 September, 2011
hey. i know this is an old thread but i'm looking for something like this to try and have to not use my keyboard/mouse with serato without having to spend the cash on a ttm57. is this still a good option? or are there newer better options out there? how have people found with placing this unit? I use a x:one02 mixer. Any thoughts/advice appreciated...
Logisticalstyles 7:38 PM - 23 September, 2011
I love using this controller. It took me a while to get out of the old habit of using my keyboard and trackpad, but it's worth it. I just wish the buttons lit up when you switched to a different scene, but other than that it's great. It's great for controlling effects and making loops and cue points. I use it with a Vestax 05.
Logisticalstyles 7:40 PM - 23 September, 2011
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Quote:
Hey sorry if I got a little carried away everyone...I'm just looking for a solution, to get my HC1000s working with my PC....I'm am a very Dedicated DJ, and I will stay Loyal to Serato no matter what ! So I'm in it to win it till the end !


Not sure if this helps any but, when I use my Denon controller on my PC I usually have to plug and unplug it 3 to 4 times before it works properly. I don't know why it does this, but that's the way it is. When I plug it in the first or second time some lights come on, but I know it's not fully connected until I see the green Tap buttons light up.


Oh yeah, since I made some changes with my PC I no longer have this problem.
Mike_P 8:00 PM - 23 September, 2011
I have it and love it too. I recently bought a ddm4000 midi mixer and I still use the dn hc1000 for all of the basic functions since the layout is made for ssl.
psalmon 11:33 PM - 25 September, 2011
thanks guys...where do you put it where it's easily accessible? i have my laptop on a stand over my mixer and assume i'd need to keep that there to still see what's happening so where do i put the denon? i dont think it will go in front of my mixer (a+h xone:2) very easily cos of the headphone socket. what solutions have you guys come up with for this?
DJ Trik Nixon 1:45 PM - 26 September, 2011
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thanks guys...where do you put it where it's easily accessible? i have my laptop on a stand over my mixer and assume i'd need to keep that there to still see what's happening so where do i put the denon? i dont think it will go in front of my mixer (a+h xone:2) very easily cos of the headphone socket. what solutions have you guys come up with for this?


on my laptop
Manny C dot com 3:36 AM - 27 September, 2011
Logisticalstyles 11:00 AM - 27 September, 2011
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3. Modify the unit to allow ease of identifing what channel is selected. This could also be provided by an indication on the lap-top screen of Serato Scratch Live , which would actually be a better work around.


I'd like to see this in an update. How hard can that be to implement?
dj-freestyle 3:52 PM - 27 September, 2011
I have a ttm57 and still use my denon 1000 becasue of it ease of use. switching scenes it easy and for video and effects its awesome.
Eduardo Serrano 4:26 AM - 28 September, 2011
I ti s a great option, I use it all the time and I nearly touch my keyborad
psalmon 6:54 PM - 13 October, 2011
got my HC1000S yesterday - picked it up on way to gig, plugged it in and used it during the gig! liking it so far - just need to play more (without an audience) to make use of it better.
valdini 7:36 AM - 30 October, 2011
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Has anyone tried the new SSL EFX Mapping with this unit out of interest?

Had a DJ play for me this weekend and he KILLED it with this unit, so much so I am going out to buy one this morning!!!

Nothing like seeing a piece of equipment used to its fullest in a live setting to convince you to drop $$$.

Looked at the X1 for ages, but the workflow on this unit seemed much more intuitive from the off.

I didn't however get to see the guy working the SSL EFX from the unit (as he used the DJM800 onboard efx), so keen to hear (or see!) anyone giving these a good workout.

K
RAYSH 1:15 PM - 30 October, 2011
honestly I can't see the point of these now we have dicers
valdini 3:29 PM - 30 October, 2011
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Dicers feel cheap and nasty to me, never even considered them an option as a result.

Picked up the Denon today and first impressions are that it is a great little unit, the new EFX mappings work as you'd expect, loops (excellent), song selection, cues, instant doubles etc all great.

I was only messing with internal mode, yet to hook my decks up, so early days but can see it slipping into my sets lovely.

K
RAYSH 4:58 PM - 30 October, 2011
each to thier own but I can't look past the simplicity and effectiveness of dicers
djkristo 5:12 PM - 30 October, 2011
my solution is the Magma Laptop Stand 2.1 with a special tray for controllers www.magma-bags.de
Regards
valdini 6:59 AM - 31 October, 2011
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Has anyone remapped any of the buttons on the unit?

Am useless at this kind of thing, but would be perfect f I could remap a couple of the buttons on the default scene one that I do not use.

Tap >> Play

Cue 4* >> Pitch control up
Cue 5* >> Pitch control down

Any help much appreciated... just want to have the option to use the unit fully internal and these are the essential actions missing.

K
Manny C dot com 8:04 AM - 31 October, 2011
I think I remember reading that the first page cannot be remapped. That might make custom mapping a bit of a pain, because if you wanted to change just one or two of the buttons, you'd first have to copy all mappings over to one of the other pages and then make your changes there.
valdini 8:09 AM - 31 October, 2011
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I could not physically map scene.1 (have not gone into the xml code), but on scene.4 (which I am using for efx) I mapped Tap >> Play.

Tried to assign the central rotary to the fine pitch for the left deck (as can instant double to the right so only need control of one deck), but the default setting is simply turning the pitch fully to + /-8% . . . instead of the fine pitch increments as required.

Manny: What you are saying makes perfect sense, to abandon using page.1 altogether as the default and copy the settings to page.2 (where they can be edited)... sadly I have no clue how to do this so will sit tight and hope someone on here can help.

Would imagine it is just a simple copy and paste job?

K
Manny C dot com 12:18 AM - 1 November, 2011
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no clue how to do this


Probably by painstakingly mapping each button one by one, on any of the other 3 pages.
WarpNote 8:57 AM - 1 November, 2011
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honestly I can't see the point of these now we have dicers

I have both the Dicers, and the HC1000S (and the Sixty Eight, I don't have a TTM57)
The Dicers and the Denon are 2 very different units, Dicers are great for cues & loops, but not for anything requiring rotary control. Denon is good for cues (but not as good as the dicers), but it also have crate navigation, manual loops, censor, key lock toggle, tap bpm, fwd, rwd, prev % nex track, files, browse, history, prepare and sample banks, all NATIVELY configured. And then there is 3 more pages to map, there is a LOT more going on in this unit compared to the Dicers mapping possibilities.

However, the custom light setup in Dicetools is really nice > serato.com
Denon should come up with something like that for their midi units...

I love both these units, when playing on my Sixty Eight, I'll use the Dicers, and on the club install mixer, I'll use the Denon.

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Tried to assign the central rotary to the fine pitch for the left deck (as can instant double to the right so only need control of one deck), but the default setting is simply turning the pitch fully to + /-8% . . . instead of the fine pitch increments as required.

When mapping, press [c] key on you laptop, it will cycle different midi modes. Just keep cycling until it works.
WarpNote 9:00 AM - 1 November, 2011
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there is a LOT more going on in this unit

Forgot to say, there stuff natively mapped in the unit, that is unavailable on the Sixty Eight...
valdini 10:21 AM - 1 November, 2011
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When mapping, press [c] key on you laptop, it will cycle different midi modes. Just keep cycling until it works.

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Will try this out when I get home, thanks for the tips.

And a massive +1 on the lights suggestion!

K
dj-freestyle 4:17 PM - 1 November, 2011
I use the denon with the map for effects and love it. ive had it since is came out and even with my ttm57 i still use my denon. its so easy and user friendly when you are spinning. i have the magma with the tray and its perfect. not the best built laptop stand but serves the purpose for sure.
valdini 5:30 PM - 1 November, 2011
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Mapped scene.2 to have all the basics for 'playing' tracks:

Play : Cues: Loops: Nudge : Pitch Control (0.02% increments - using the L&R rotaries) etc...

Can now fully control SSL without decks - just no scratching (which I do not do ever anyhow).

This kit gets the thumbs up from me.

K
Logisticalstyles 6:28 PM - 1 November, 2011
I wanna map my 3rd scene like that. I use the 2nd for effects. It really is a great piece of equipment.
WarpNote 7:10 PM - 1 November, 2011
BTW, the case is finally coming!

dl.dropbox.com
dl.dropbox.com
valdini 7:31 PM - 1 November, 2011
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Perfect timing!

First event with the unit tomorrow night, nice little gig for Maserati on the 123rd floor of the worlds tallest building (Burj Khalifa)... think my dj career has reached it's peak (boom, boom!).

K
dj-freestyle 7:37 PM - 1 November, 2011
finally iil have to check with my denon people. about dam time
dj-freestyle 7:43 PM - 1 November, 2011
@warpnote. finally a case. i saw you on denon forum looking. its about time
WarpNote 8:05 PM - 1 November, 2011
About 2 years since my first post on the Denon forum... :)
dj-freestyle 8:08 PM - 1 November, 2011
Right, takes time, lol lol lol, i just ordered mine special order. cant wait. been sitting in my bag forever with no case. i hate that.
WarpNote 6:04 PM - 2 November, 2011
yeah, the HC1000 tore the mesh in my headline bag, but "anything" can be fixed with bit of gaffer tape ;)
Eduardo Serrano 5:49 PM - 9 November, 2011
I purchased a generic case for it and it work fine, but I really like this case made for it, where can i buy it?
Sureshot (PA) 8:11 PM - 9 November, 2011
A-Trak uses one.
Eduardo Serrano 7:34 PM - 3 December, 2011
Hey Gurus.

I need help mapping the gain song A and the gain song B knobs in Serato to the Loop Cut knobs on the DN-HC1000S Controller (on page 2). I was able to map them but I do not get the expected results. When I move the left Loop Cut knob on the controller for example the volume of the song does not really go up or down as I expected, the knob on Serato moves accordingly but the volume does not go up or down that much. Now, when I move the knobs with the mouse pointer, the volume really goes up or down, I want the same effect if I use the mapped knobs.

When I mapped them I selected relative - on/off. I tried other data types (by pressing c) but nothing works. What I need is higher increments of volume when I move the knob on the controller. Any ideas? Am I missing something? do I need to go to the XML file and enter there the instructions of increments?

Thanks in advance.
Eduardo Serrano 7:38 PM - 3 December, 2011
Sorry, the name of the buttons in Serato are called "Song Gain Knob A" and "Song Gain Knob B" they are above the output level on each side and next to the track overview. If you mouse over within help it shows the name as Gain Adjustment.
dj-freestyle 8:49 PM - 3 December, 2011
Ask konix he will help you.
Eduardo Serrano 10:05 PM - 3 December, 2011
Thank you DJ-Freestyle but how do I get a hold of him?
dj-freestyle 3:06 AM - 4 December, 2011
Look on here or look youtube under serato tutor and email him. he helps alot of us on here with serato. his videos on youtube save all our but at one point or another. Ill look for email
dj-freestyle 3:09 AM - 4 December, 2011
dj-freestyle 3:10 AM - 4 December, 2011
click on link and send him a note. very cool helpful guy
Eduardo Serrano 10:50 PM - 4 December, 2011
THank you dj-freestyle
Konix 6:44 AM - 5 December, 2011
I replied to your private message, Eduardo.
dj-freestyle 8:00 PM - 5 December, 2011
Thanks konix. always there to help.
Eduardo Serrano 8:14 PM - 5 December, 2011
Yes he is, I will let you know you two how it went when I get home this evening.
wlibdon 8:53 PM - 27 November, 2012
Hay working with my hc1000s with serato and i was trying to put some things to the mmidi and hit something and my music volume cut out is there some kind of midi manual for denon to serato HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLlPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dj-freestyle 9:05 PM - 27 November, 2012
i can try to help. what were you midi mapping? what controls?
dj-freestyle 9:07 PM - 27 November, 2012
does this help

usa.d-mpro.com
wlibdon 9:43 PM - 27 November, 2012
let me try it thanks
wlibdon 9:50 PM - 27 November, 2012
Yo thanks thats just what i been looking for they have to much shit on these web pages .
dj-freestyle 9:59 PM - 27 November, 2012
glad to help.
Darkman86 1:50 PM - 7 March, 2013
Hey guys,

I have a HC1000's and have used the other pages to remap (thanks for all suggestions above, have all been very helpful), other than the obvious issues that have been highlighted above (no Lights on the cues in pages 2 - 4, no clear indication as to which page you are in......ect) one big issue i have is that i can't use the shift key (when held) to allocate one button to do multiple tasks as it does in page 1.

Also another issue is the way that ques are added and removed. Is there a way to midi map pages 2 - 4 in exactly the same way as page 1?
Eduardo Serrano 9:30 PM - 7 March, 2013
I don't think you can, I tried and tried and was never able to do what you want so I gave up.