thanks!

thats whats up....

does anyone know the name of the track with fatman scoop on the buzz riddim beat, and where can i find that at?

damn i checked yesterday and shit still wasn't ready... thanks for the update

Nice one.

But seriously... $2.99 for one digital track?! Where the original vinyl was $5.99 with at least 3 tracks?!

At least they're all not 2.99.

Track ID for you guys (it's a classic, so I'm sure most of you know it)... under the DJ Sizzahandz tab, what is the name of the song he used for the beat for the track "Horny Temperature"?

so yo i bought the girlfriend in africa track - just a heads up the mp3 is bad. sounds fine all the way up until the toto part kicks in and it gets mad distored. totally unuseable. sent an email to them see what happens

MuHaHaHaHa!!!

What's up fellow Serato users, DJ Sizzahandz from the Crooklyn Clan here to talk to you a little bit about some of your issues with the site. First off, thank you to DITC, your words are kind and without people like you there would be no US. Now, most of the tracks on the site sound just fine, and bump hard in the clubs. Every artist we accept for the Vault is a KILLER and knows how to make shit sound tight. Some of the tracks in my section have drops, and some are not CD quality sound, but will get the job done for you in the club. If you want to listen to shit on a Bose system in the bathtub, go get some Mozart homies, these are mash up's and blends, and i want some of them to sound gritty. As for the prices, they are not all the same price, it might just so happen to be that the one YOU want is more expensive, that's called research and knowing what people want. If you are going to donate a little more for a track, chances are that track is going to make you a hotter dj. When you become a hotter dj, you go from making smaller money to bigger money in the clubs. You no longer have vinyl as an expense but you still need hot shit to be hot. If you think something in the Vault is hot, it's your option to decide if you need it or not. If you are just collecting songs, there are plenty up there for .99 and 1.99. These are not records you can buy in the store either, they are creative inventions from the minds of some of the top mashers/remixers in the game. As for the download time, you get 2 full days to download your tracks, and if by any chance you lose your connection to the internet while downloading a track, our servers will tell us that happened to you and we will be happy to restore your link so you can finish that download. Each download is individual, and has nothing to do with the other downloads in your order. If one is inturrupted, the rest will still work when you get to them. As for my mash up of Horny Temperature, the track behind Sean Paul is called "The Conversation", AKA Funky Horns by Lil Louis. Girlfriend In Africa is not distorted, what you are hearing is time stretching and i'm not Dr. Dre, so you will have to forgive me for that. I hope that overall you guys like the tracks that we make, and please know that we invest hours of our time a day to make other dj's hotter, it's what Riz and myself have been doing for 13 years now, and we do it for the DJ's. We are only here becuase you are, if there were no you, there would be no US. Nuff respek yall!

2nd day the site was up, I bought around 40 bucks worth of material. I gotta tell you... some of the tunes are brilliant. They fit hand in glove. All the tunes were good quality and there were no problems with the downloads. I still think all the tunes should be $1.99... even though the ones for $2.49 and up are waaaaaay better : )

Good work.

haha.

Seriously though, the website is great, and if djs on this board aren't buying tracks, than i guess it just makes the ones who are look better. I haven't bought a record in over a year, and this past week I also dropped about $40 on your mp3s. Some of them, particularly yours, are genius, and i almost feel guilty by playing them out. Although, i saw AM spin recently and i think he must have played at least 4 or 5 of those mashups. So, i guess its kosher!

Keep doing what your doing. Most of the djs on this board are new at this and weren't around to witness you guys kill the AV8 records year after year. I remember when franklinz first came out and the crowd reaction to that break has never been duplicated. insane.

Supply and demand... like Siz said, the ones that are 3.99 are that way for a reason, we used to pay waaaaay more for vinyl, not to mention, these tracks are NOT available on vinyl, itunes or anywhere else.
I cant give these guys enough props and i know that i play a good 20 plus crooklyn clan (riz and siz both included) mashes per night. THEY WILL MAKE YOU BETTER DJS!

Keep your ignorant comments to yourself "homey".

215 is 9 minutes old and pullin tude....

Finally!

Lil Louis - Conversation

We make these tracks for dj's. They are for dj's by dj's that do exactly what you all do no matter how long you are doing it. You can be a dj for only 4 months and not be that great, and if you are playing for crowds already, these tracks will be useful to you as well as they would for a veteran in the game. Music for a long time has needed a new twist. This is not exactly a new twist, but more of a alternate way to give an old twist new flavor. We really appreciate all the support we get from you all, and will continue to bring you a unique sound that will enhance your overall dj'ing experience. DJ'S 4 DJ'S IN 2006 AND FOREVER.

and some tracks even have cue markers set already!

if you have been djing for "a while" i am sure u r familiar with "ghetto Jams: for dope DJs only" and "DJ running things" which were remix bootlegs. ALL BANGERS. I would pay $12 to $15 a record to have that heat.

So even though these are bootlegs and they should be happy to give these tracks as promos to a hard working DJ like myself (wink, Wink) they are worth the $$$$ and must haves. Peep it.

Paying $15 for dj running things?? C'mon, 50% of their blends (yes, these are blends, not remixes) are pure crap! Disharmonically sounding crap.

hahaha dj's runnin thangs. yo i'll sell you some copies if u want. 20 bucks each.

no seriously though where were you buying those things for 12-15? i was paying like 5.99 or 4.99 at beat street on jamaica ave

and yeah nik, most of it was crap... but i guess the technology wasnt where its at today with that.

Technology? Some of the stuff I would have done with an old 4-track tape, my ears and two turntables - getting better results than some of that crap ;)

Deeeeeeejaaaaaaayyyyy SSSSSSSiiiiiizzzzzzaaaaaaahhhaaannnnnddddddzzzz is my idol!

I just have to add that there is a special place in my heart for AV8 records...

I used to make it my mission to get to nyc, go to rock and soul, and go home with a fat stack of AV8 records...

Yes nik, there are a lot of crappy mashups and remixes but when you find a good one- it's gold!

I'm so glad that the site is up... now I don't have to go all the way to nyc to get hot mash-ups...

One thing on the site- I wish there were longer previews...

while i play my crappy sounding bangers that "are overpriced" u sit at home practicing. i wish i was computer savvy, so i could post some of the cuts off of these records, (and sell them) because everyone would want one.

i'm sure the crooklyn clan knows what i'm talking about.

No need to get personal. Plus there is nothing wrong with practising. If you think life as a dj is just playing av8s the whole night I pitty you.

scratchlive.net



yeah working real hard huh? at least i can get gigs in the city, and have a weekly in the hamptons.........

and i didn't say they were all that bad... i mean i have a bunch of them. just some of them suck. and it wasn't a swipe at your personal tastes in music selection either.

paps, i'm sure u are the best because u have "gigs in the city". but this has nothing to do with u being the best, it has to do with buying hot mps on the sizzahand site, just trying to stay on topic.

i dont take any of this personal, just offer my opinion. i actually suck. my music taste sucks, my party breaks suck, my skills are wack, and i have no expereince.

but the people who know, understand what a scrub like me is saying.

did i say "im the best" anywhere?

*popcorn!!! - peanuts!!!*

Ok listen im going to explain the pricing one more time for all of you who are having a hard time understanding.. First of all, nobody is twisting your arm and saying "get over there now and buy those songs". If you want them, you GET THEM. If you don't, believe me we are not going to be mad at you. The sound quality is what it IS, that's the way we make our shit. Some sounds very clear like a new cd, some sounds gritty like a old piece of vinyl or a sp1200 production. That's US. The donation amounts that you pay to obtain these tracks are minimal compared to what you would pay for an import version of one of your favorite songs. When you are a REAL dj, and you REALLY LOVE BEING ONE, you do what you have to do to get the sounds you want to play. If we have those sounds, you come and get them, if our sounds are not to your taste, again you are not being forced to go and get them. I just want everyone to realize that the tracks you are seeing in our Vault are personal versions that set us apart from other dj's when we do NOT share them. Now we feel that what we are doing is something to better all dj's in the business wether you have a weekly gig or not. You don't feel I deserve 5 bucks from a dj to go into a club where he's opening for me now and playing all my shit before i get there? That's not worth 5 bucks? Cmon guys, if you like our stuff you are welcomed to it, if you don't, then don't complain about the donations. Truth is if you didnt want our stuff, you wouldnt care what it costed! Love you all, bye bye now!

Bringing this discussion back on track...

I love what the Crooklyn Clan does. I picked up a bunch of mp3s from their site on saturday and played em saturday night. I had a problem downloading 2 of them and sent an email (havent heard anything back yet).

Also, props to Solomon for having his mash ups on there. I'm just glad I downloaded your stuff when it was up on myspace, haha. "I Feel Hot" is in my rotation... It's heat!

OH AND ONE MORE THING, These are not AV8 records, and we are not/ have not been on AV8 records for YEARS. I know it's tough but please try not to associate us with that label, it is DEFINITELY the PAST for us, and we would like you to see us for who we are, Crooklyn Clan, not AV8 records..

sorry siz, I guess I just associated your tracks with AV8 since that was the label that did the introduction...

I dont know why people are fighting over the price, I mean I think its more then fair...do you know how many crooklyn clan records saved Djs lifes? I think they more then paved the way and paid there dues and the price is more then fair, if you ask me they could charge more and it would still be fine with me

Good lookin out marc... glad to hear you feeling the mashes... ill keep em comin best i can! Glad to be party of the Crooklyn Clan Vault... Support your local DJ!!!!!!

I agree Crooklyn Clan is ish!

crooklynclan.net

mad respect to sizz and riz. solomon too. the vault is dope!!! i think i was the official first customer. lol. real dj's support real dj's. seen!!! boh!!!

I've been picking up loads of stuff from the Crooklyn Clan site. Good shit guys. Keep up the good Sizz & Co :)

Jeyone, you were the 3rd person to donate to the vault, nuff respect homie! About Solomon, all of you need to understand, when you are a headliner dj and you walk in a room and Solomon is opening for you, you are going to feel more pressure then ever you have before. Big shout to all my west side dj's, it's a crying shame that when a NY nigga goes to the west and peeps the average dj out there, he is better than most of our killaz in NYC. Damn sick I tell you all, but let it be a lesson to all my NYC cats that have been in the game for stoopid long, these kids have taken Serato and really used it to it's fullest potential. Most hip hop dudes don't even think about these looping functions and all the shit that Serato does, but it's really crazy when you walk into Stereo (one of the biggest nightclubs with press coverage in NYC) and there's a westside cat on the set straight MURDERING insane blends with the craziest shit you can think of that a nigga would play in a club. Truth is, i'm here to address the issues about our site, and I have to say, enough talk about our site, if yall want it you come get it, if not, then we still love you either way. This forum is dedicated to Serato, and the truth is Serato has changed the face of nightclub dj'ing for MOST of the dj's in the business today. Even my partner DJ Riz, who I honestly have to say is one of the realest record diggers in the game (anyone that is real will tell you that about him)even switched over to Serato. I mean for all yall that travel on the job, think about how much money we have all saved on traveling with crates of records! HOLY SHIT ALREADY! There has been times where I was so tired from traveling and dj'ing with sick amounts of vinyl with us, I was ready to fly home and just outright not even show up at gigs that I was booked at. When I sit here and really think about what happened to the game over the past 5 years, I have to say Serato is one of the things i'm truely happy about. Sort of gave me the feeling that I got when I had my first pair of 1200's back in the early days. When you all said, "Holy shit I now have the ability to take the two songs I always hear going over eachother in my head, and actually try them on top of eachother and see if it works!.." I know every dj out here reading this had that feeling at one time in your lives, and im sure the rush that came with it is the reason you are still in the game today. Ok, im rambling on, look this is NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT PEOPLE, I'm just giving Serato props right now because it feels good to be on the shit for 2 years straight on a PC and not ever have one stinking error since day one, (besides a needle being dusty and getting a shitty signal from it.) It's a wonderful feeling to rock on Serato, but the saddest part of this entire revolution is the loss of real vinyl. What's different from digital dj'ing in comparison to real vinyl? You remember when you used to cue scratch that first kick or sound on a record before you threw it in, and you felt that sound in your fingers on the record? It was a very complete feeling, but it's now gone. Times have changed, and so has the standard for our industry, and that's why we go along with the times. If you do not get with what's going on these days, ande you are not on Serato at this point, you are literally extinct from the "dj's that matter". The things you can do on this shit just make it impossible to ignore and continue to lug 8 crates out with you to every city. This program has given us the freedom to play our own versions of songs the same day we make them. For all my producers out there, the average dj on the west coast has his OWN version of every fucking song that's hot in the club, and will go from one to another in perfect harmony putting them together like fucking Lego pieces and leaving everyone that cares or knows about dj'ing standing there trying to figure out what just happened. We all know what Serato does for us, that's why we are here right now, but look let me go, I've spoke enough, but I will say in closing.. Serato is our inspiration for opening the Vault to everyone, because we know how important it is during prime time to keep a room jumpin, and since the early days, that's been our main concern when we get down and make tracks. All we think in our heads is what's going to happen to the average dj during primetime when he plays this song?.. We are aiming at DJ's, in hopes that we will make your events better the best we can. Some of our shit will work great in your car, or while you are taking a shower getting ready for the club, but other shit will thump your dancefloor to pieces at 2am in a club that stays opened til at least 4. I've said it before and I will say it once more, we are dj's FOR dj's. Here because we know how important our kind is in a party, and trying to remain the main reason why people have a good time when they go out. If you like what we have online for you, we love you for coming to us and taking it, and if you don't we can never hate you for having your own taste in music. As long as you love music, we appreciate you as individuals. Let's really close this part of the forum up strong and give props to Serato for being in existance, and props to everyone that's taking full advantage of what Serato has to offer us. All my remixers, dj's, track makers, engineers, whatever. All yall that have put your time in, or feel like you have this shit in the pocket, and go in the club or studio and tear ass, WE LOVE YALL. Every artist remix you hear inside the Vault will be some shit that dude put his heart, soul, and ass into, even if it was made when he/she first started out in the game. Listen to it, know who made it, and take it if you feel it will make you better at what you do. I'm out yall, no more posts from me about the Vault, prices, sound quality, or things pertaining. At this point I can't believe in my heart that people would have any other comments to make about any of the above issues. If you do, then you are not paying attention.. Peace Serato FAM!

DJ SIZZAHANDZ
CROOKLYN CLAN
103.5 WKTU / K104FM

^^ man I learned a lot from that post! great read.

Respect.

MAN THAT makes me want to go and buy every mp3 in the vault ha ha. Big UP's Sizzahandz!!

AMEN.... hey siz, just know that a big reason why im rippin it is because of your music, i average a good 8-10 siz/crook clan mashes a night. Maaaad respect hommie, and thanks again for the supportive words!

true that. i saw solomon at tryst in vegas (@ the wynn), that was the best live mixing i have ever heard! talk about inspiration. wish i had such an open environment to experiment in (with an audience not made up of mtv trl drones).

Nuff respect SIZZAHANDZ... That's real, real talk man.

I'll second that!

just spent some $$ on some tracks...def. top quality stuff!!... looking to get somemore from you guys!!...

If it wasn't for Crooklyn Clan there would be no DJ EXCEL "THE MIXMASTER" I used to sell they're breakbeats back in 1996 when I didn't even know what a "breakbeat" was LOL! But I started doing them. and I'm gonna have all my OLD & NEW remixes online in Sept-Oct.

WWW.MIXMASTERSGOLD.COM

hit me up myspace.com/djexcelmixmaster

DJ EXCEL "THE MIXMASTER"
REMIXER/PRODUCER

SEAN PAUL, SASHA, FATMAN SCOOP, BEYONCE

Went through every track on the site yesterday......was very impressed with alot of the tracks. Gonna spend at least a bill when I get paid! Thank God for Crooklyn Clan! Big ups to Excel also, got a sh*t load of your old stuff on wax! Keep doin what you do and I will definately be supportin' ya!

Definitely support these guys. I knew Sizza for awhile back in Canarsie. He's very original and a long time DJ. The Clan is Brooklyn's Finest and have done what many other mainstream/popular DJs don't do.

Their site and tracks are some of the best and only ones around. With a crap load of effort put in. Definitely check out their goods and let them know whats up.

Thanks Sizza

Rid's Nephew ;)

damn.. this website is a blessing. i'm droppin a grip for this heat.

Thanks for the kind words sizzahandz!

Respect Sizz, love the site BTW!

is anybody having problems with faulty download links?

first time I ordered and the links that were sent to my email address appeared to be "Expired/Invalid"

I know these cats are busy touring DJ's. and I hope that somebody gets to my email - coz I wanna buy half the goods up there, I'm just a little concerned about the faulty links - and it might take some time for me to get a refund. I've already been waiting about 2 days for somebody to get back to me.

anybody have the same problem? and what's their usual response time? it's also a weekend, so I'm sure these guys are playing out and sleeping in....

JP, Did you copy and paste the full link into a new window or just click on the link? I had some problem with invalid links a few weeks ago and they sorted me out within a few hours... You'll get what you ordered without a doubt...

Yo JP that expired link thing has happened to me every time. The first two times they got back to me with new links in minutes. My last order came to me Wednesday dead and I still haven't recieved the re-set links. I think the problem is the order is set-up as soon as you click their payment function. Then it expires before your payment clears through paypal and is finally sent to your e-mail.

That's my theory anyway hopefully SIZZ will holla at us and drop some knowledge. I recently threw a couple hundred bucks into my Paypal account to try and offset the bank lag.

Melissa, I tried both. I first clicked on the link, browser launched, link expired.

then i did the cut and paste thing. still no luck. so i sent sizz and customer support an email.

G.I.B. -- i'm hoping they get to our issue soon - i can just imagine how many customers these cats have to deal with then.....

growing pains.... great site nonetheless!!!

I had some that would not work with Firefox. They resent the links and Internet explorer explorer saved them fine.

Hey guys, ok im here to talk to you all about your issues with the Vault. Let's go over some of the reasons why you have problems. Sometimes we get complaints that the links were not sent to you. A few reasons why that could happen: If you make your donations with echecks, you will not recieve your download links until the echecks clear (usually 2 to 4 business days)My suggestion to you is to use a major credit card to make your donations thru paypal, this will ensure you get your downloads within 2 minutes from the time your payment clears. I know alot of my dj's out there will come to the Vault to get shit to play that night in a club and can get quite frustrated sitting there waiting for the email when you have to be at the club in a hour. Another reason why you might not get links is because they come from the web and some email software if not set correctly will put our mail into a spam folder. Before emailing my customer support reps, please check your spam folder for our emails, then tell your email software that we are NOT spam. My guess is that most of you are computer savvy or would not be using Serato in the first place if you were not, so use your noodles and try to resolve the issue first, and when all else fails hit us up and we will help out. Now, onto link errors. I will start by saying that our system is super tight and really does not make mistakes ever, unless one of our data entry guys screws up with a path or something, which is usually found immediately by our web genius and corrected. When you recieve your links, if you should click it once and something goes wrong, thats the end of your download period. If you click open instead of save, thats the end of your download PERIOD. You must take some time away from AIM and your online games, etc and sit there and be sure to get our links uninturrupted. The smallest little disconnect can end your download. Our system is designed to expire your link if you either a, download it once, or b, take longer than 48 hours to download it. This is done to prevent link posting/sharing and im sure you all understand that. Generally, if someone should have a problem with one or two of their downloads, we will renew the link for you because let's face it, SHIT HAPPENS. Especially with cable/dsl connections, you are bound to have a fuck up here or there every once in a while. We are not dickheads, we will give you back the download. Another thing, if you should click one song twice, meaning donate two times in one order for one song, your link will automatically become expired. Ask me why? Beats the shit outta me, it just is that way :-) It obviously makes no sense to donate for the same track twice in one order, so be careful with your clicking. Another issue occurs when you get your links and they are extra long, sometimes they continue on the next line. We recommend that you cut and paste the links into a new browser to get your downloads, and not just click on them in the email, as sometimes the highlighted text is not containing the entire link. This is really all i can think of that happens, so i hope ive answered most of your questions. My entire staff has been away this whole past week, myself and riz dj'ing, and my web guy on vacay with the fam. Forgive us for not answering your issues quickly, but immediatey when im done with this post, i will personally go into the web software and try to resolve what issues i see there coming from you guys. I urge you all to send your order numbers to us when you have an issue, as it makes it easier for us to resolve that way. We hope you are all finding the service we are providing to you to be beneficial, and we urge you not to lose patience with us as we do care about each and every one of you, and we are greatful for your support over the past 13 years, and now with the Vault. It's my pleasure to inform you that just in the month of August we have already passed 1 million hits on www.crooklynclan.net, and it's growing rapidly. I personally cannot tell you how good it feels to know how many people continue to check for Crooklyn Clan. It keeps me going people, and I love you all for it. Even the haters!! :-) Peace everyone,

Siz

Thanks Siz I appreciate the response good looking out.

Hey G.I.B. have you been sorted out yet?

Yeah they straightened it out today the re-set links worked no problem.

Hey Siz - great deal of respect for you and your crew man. And it's such a relief to know that there is one single website a giggin' DJ can go to - to keep his shit fresh!


I know you guys will get to my issue, eventually. In the meantime, i'm just gonna jump back in there and start downloading. I just hope that I don't run into the same problem with $100 worth of material on float.

keep up the great work - it's really good for the community.


and you might wanna check out Jimmy Wilson - he's got a pretty dope re-edit of Mr. Postman on his myspace site that I've been caning.

myspace.com/jimmywilson

a shameless bump... but it's actually

myspace.com/djjimmywilson

or just check the link in my serato profile...for those who are interested.

good looking JP!

that other jimmy wilson is someone in pennslyvania... which isn't me.

www.crooklynclan.net is off the chain!!

My favorite unreleased track is "get retarded" under the crooklyn clan tab.

Crazy Hot! Anyone one else got gems that they think are dope? Been a fan for years and still am. They gave me my start in this game!

My remix site (along with DJ Madmethod & DJ A.P.) launches on August 28th! www.remixmafia.com

Most of my classic (AV8 + Buds) remixes + new tracks; all HIGH QUALITY mp3's ready for serato (No scratches lol!)

This fall www.mixmastersgold.com launches with my COMPLETE catalog of remixes, party breaks and produced tracks over 100 songs...

Thank you DJ's!

DJ Excel the Mixmaster

WWW.REMIXMAFIA.COM

Sizzahandz and the rest of the Crooklyn Clan, keep it on the one!
I feel like most of the real DJs on this forum the first time I dropped heat from your label at Club7 in Detroit. The dance floor looked like the food line at the mission on Mack/3rd. Packed!
I knew then this was great product, the tunes I was already spinning laced with heat for the dance floor. Great Idea.
I was working at Chauncey's record store so imagine how hard it was to explain to customers they could not buy those versions:-)

I spun AV8 beats back in the day as well so thanks for clearing up the confusion that CrooklynClan is not AV8. You guys do a great job. Your post was a pleasure to read, no hatin'just relating.
You took the words right out of my mouth when you spoke of what Serato has done to the DJ game and the industry as a whole.
To all you microwave DJs and to all the DJ-PushPlay wannabes check out this man's post and other REAL djs when they try and skool you. Technology and talent now have a way to be joined at the hip.
Practice,listen and learn is the only way to stay in the game.
Some people bring happiness by arriving, and some by leaving.
Question is which one are you?

Bla bla bla bla.
Real DJs use AV8s, mashups, recycled tracks (call it AV8 or not, its stil the same kind of "music", you take 8 bars of a hiphop track, add some fat man scoop "hands up, push 'em up now" and stuff and call this.. "music")?!

Are you getting paid by crooklynclan.net? Seriously I have respect for Riz+Sizzahand, but come on, are you guys on a promoting marketing trip in this thread?

If REAL DJs are those who use your tracks, I guess I am not a real DJ. Matter of fact I cant stand DJs who cant do nothing better than play AV8/partybreaks/mashup-crap the whole night. Thats just wack to me.

Mind the word "me". My 2 cents.

I have to agree with nik on this one. The AV8/mashup all night bullshit is sooooooooo played out. At least if you did something like that LIVE, I MIGHT have a little respect. BUt for the most part that shit is str8 up wack!

Ballance my friends ballance.... no one is saying you need to rock party records non-stop for a 4 hour set, but having avoided the whole party breaks phenomenon for years, and now having givent in to a few tracks here and there, I have to say they get a GREAT crowd reaction.... I can safely say that no other record consistently get the same kind of reaction that Crook Clan "Be Faithful" gets without fail. There is always a little room in anyone's set for a little Fatman Scoop Yelling a whole lot of nothing on the mic for 2 min.
Like i said no one should go out and play an all party breaks set, but playing a hot party break or 2 throughout the night is in no way WACK? lets be a little more open minded then that...

MY 2 CENTS!

True words DJ Solomon,
"Real DJs" was in reference to DJs who rock the club vs. DJ who rock their bedroom. Just speaking to the people who make it do what it do. No disrespect intended towards you NIK39.
Real DJs can identify with music programming and the right time to play any given track. I don't rock Crooklynclan all night, but like DJ Solomon says there is that crowd reaction you can get from a hot break like "Be Faithful". With good programming skills you can get that same response to any floor-heater. Their concept as mentioned by Sizzahandz is DJs for DJs. They spend time mashing,blending, and creating breaks that in a lot of cases I could not get the instrumentals or Accaps to create. The DJ sometimes has to go to the bathroom when the dancefloor is packed. These breaks have saved me countless times in that situation and I wanted to give the Clan props for thinking about what a DJ has to go through on any given night. I respect the product for what it is...a Tool out of many tools that helps me do my job
my $.02

I dunno why people were complaining about the prices so much. Why wouldn't you want to spend a few bucks for something totally unique that sets you apart from other Djs? I know for me i'm always looking for the hottest new ish that makes me stand out from my peers.

dont this shit make my n*gga wannna jump!!!

dont this shit make my n*gga wannna jump!!!

dont this shit make my n*gga wannna jump!!!

dont this shit make my n*gga wannna jump!!!

"let me hear ya say "Ahh Ahh Ah Ah Ah!" "Ahh Ahh Ah Ah Ah!"

"If yall we wanna party like we do!"

"If ya'll wanna party like us!"

"let me hear ya say "Ahh Ahh Ah Ah Ah!" "Ahh Ahh Ah Ah Ah!"

"Let me Clear my Throat!"

Exactly!

just bought 4 songs from the site, how long does it take till i get a link to download the songs??

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! MIX DROP! Oh! Oh! Oh! If you got a fifty dolla bill put your hands up! You gotta twenty dolla bill put your hands up! You gotta ten dollar bill put your hands up! Single ladies... I can't hear you! Single ladies... make noise! All the chickenheads be quiet! Yeah baby... Fatman Scoop... Faith Evans sing along (I never knew there was a love like this before) All the good looking women sing along. (Never had someone to show me a love. Love like this before...) What's your zodiac sign?! If you got long hair get your hands up! If you got short hair make noise! If ya got long hair on your head, ladies, if ya got long hair on your head, from your ear to your sleeve even if you got a weave. Can I get a Wuh Wuh?! Ohh! Ohh! To all my niggas that'll hit it from the back, who wanna have sex with no strings attached... Can I get a What What?! Ohh! Ohh! (Engine Engine number nine....) Let's go!!! Who fucking tonite! Who fucking tonite! Who fucking tonite! You know you want it.

wow this is great where this one went. Ok lets keep it very real right now. For years i made underground hip hop beats, had unsigned artists, did my grind, and im pretty sure i have more vinyl than most of you out there so i know im a keep it real mutha fucka. Tell ya what tho guys, im tryin to get paid feel me? I dj for women in the club, i want them there all night. Most of the night i play shit i dont even like. I drive around listening to fucking steely dan, and disco from the 70's and breaks, thats what i like. Does it matter? NOPE. You go keep it real all of you keep it real dj's that are hating on my party records, and ill keep it fake all the way to the bank. Im not trying to impress the other dj's in the room, and i can dont get me wrong im no scrub. I care about the women, they stay, YOU STAY. That's why im fortunate enough to have dj'in and making corny ass party breaks as my LIVING. You wanna be a doctor, lawyer, head shrink, go right ahead. If you wanna be a dj and make real money, you have to play for very simple people who want very simple things. Simple like "100 bill get ya hands up, jump jump jump, engine number nine, etc".. People wake up and realize this is not a fucking hobby, its a BUSINESS. Now just for that i have to shamelessly plug something. WWW.CRACK4DJS.COM is what you need to be looking out for really soon. It's terrible but im going to do it to you all. What that is is where certain mash ups and breaks are going to go for the first two weeks they are done before they go to the vault. The donations will be higher, but you are not expected to toe them. You can wait out the two weeks and every track will most likely make it to the vault for the regular donation amounts. If you think having some of these tracks is worth getting them first before anyone else, then you go there and snatch em up.. Im also putting together a deal with Shure and i will be selling just one product of theirs on my site as the Official cartridge and headshell for Serato of the Crooklyn Clan. Watch for that coming very soon. Also www.seven1eight.com is our clothing line and will launch very soon with 6 brand new high quality limited edition tees. If you are into it check it out. Last but not least, we are adding a forum to www.crooklynclan.net so now all my vault heads can talk just like this on our site. You wanna hear something mashed, there will be a section for that, wanna talk smack, there will be a section for that, want your shit in the vault, wanna bang someones mother, etc, theres sections for it all.. Come back soon now ya hea!

CORRECTION, www.seven1eight.net not .com..

OH DAMN!!! It's about to get hot, real hot, real hot!!! Good ish Sizzahandz!!!

Sup Siz, feelin' everything you said! As far as people hatin' on the breaks.....they just need not use them or listen to them, it's that simple!For those who truly appriciate what you guys do, such as myself, KEEP DOIN' WHAT CHA' DOIN! If it ain't broke don't fix it! This is kinda silly, but every once in a while I will run across a mix or mash that gives me cold chills and literally makes the hair on my neck stand up when I hear it, none more than the classic Av8 joints as well as some of the new heat you guys are puttin' out. So fu*k the 2 cents sh*t!! Here is a $1.00......holla!

Lots of great knowledge dropped by Sizzahands that this forum never sees.

I'll tell you hearing The Franklinz on Hot 97 when I was younger being ripped up by Flex gave me chills down my spine. Pretty much an inspiration. PROPS TO THE CLAN.

As far as Sizza comments on the Westcoast DJ. Its true, those niggas are ripping it up and using Serato to its advantage while most NYC cats are just playing the record. These crazy mash ups are cool to listen to but I feel only work out in the westcoast. Out there all these celebs and tourists are lovin that shit. Its the trend out there, AM, Vice, Echo, Spider all those cats play full sets of mashups. I Cant pull it off out here in NJ so Im not hating.

Everyone wants to be Tom Cruises DJ!

The site is dope considering there really isnt anywhere on the web to get mash=up's and shit. So props to you guys for doing that.......

quick question.... i placed my order in yesterday but didnt receive an email for the downloadable links, does it take a few days to process through???

Hey DJ's speaking of classics. Has any heard the "Hook Me Up" party break??

If not go to www.mixmastersgold.com to hear it...

It will be available to download on www.remixmafia.com on monday.

www.remixmafia.com is a collective of past and present classic label (AV8, Straight Wax, Prime-time blends, Buds, Mad Method records, Platinum Party Breaks, & Mixmasters gold)

remixes and party breaks all available for instant Mp3 download.

Many of the remixes you will find where exclusively released on vinyl, but through new agreements we offer you our high quality MP3's.


Stay tuned as we will be posting new remixes on a regular basis!

**If you want to submit samples of YOUR WORK let me know, we are accepting new dj's now. for a limited time..

Remix Mafia is a collaboration between three of todays hottest remix producers/DJ's.

Our team of top remixers consist of DJ A.P. (NRC Productions, Prime-TIme Blends, AV8, AOL Radio), DJ Mad Method (Method Mix Records, multiple national radio mix shows) and DJ Excel "The Mixmaster" (AV8, Mixmasters Gold).

www.remixmafia.com is almost open

Official Launch Date: 8/28/06

What do you think?

Also what else would you like on mp3 format?

One suggestion: In addition to break beats, try using paragraph breaks.

Ok Ceez

LMAO!

hehe


X

some of the links i got from the site didn't download as mp3's...i sent an email but nobody replied. can one of you guys resend me the links before tonight? (they were the dj riz breaks)

dj_nrg2000@yahoo.com

thanks.

nvm, they just didn't have the .mp3 on the end of the filename when they downloaded...so my computer didn't recognize them as mp3s. after i added it to the filename they played fine! hot ish

"Hook Me Up",Excel...I remember about 6 or 7 years ago I grabbed that one up with about 30 other Av8's from "Music Factory In N.Y. from then on I bought every damn Av8 I could get my hands on cause that shit was fire from the get go! From "Hiphop 101" to the "Franlinz" and beyond !.....I just previewed a couple of your new mixes and I almost busted a nut when I heard the "Run It" remix as well as the "Me and U" mix...shit is done well and sounds hella' nice! O.K. I lied, let me clean myself off, apparently I not "almost", but succeeded! LOL..........but on the serious tip, you guys, along w/ the Crooklyn fellas' not only put out a damn fine and long awaited product but also you guys are gonna' take it stright to the BANK! SO.......Mixmasters, Clan, and Excel, I speak purely from a music lovers mind.......Keep Bangin' out the mixes, stackin' the paper that you make off the mixes....cause you damn sure deserve it, and I, along with many other wax bangerz I'm sure will def. keep supportin' !!!! If there are any non-believers out there... peep these guys and you WILL believe! In the words of the immortal...."if you don't know, now ya know ni....." jus my $1.00

Thank u Rek Tek we definately appreciate the luv, support, and all the props we get from you the dj's.
(Do u need some tissue? Clean yourself man!!!) LOL!

Hey I busted a nut when I heard "retarded" on crookyn clan's site.
They are like my "big brothers" in this game; my mentors...

BIG SHOUT out to RIZ & SIZZ! Keep doing your thing homies!

Hey if it wasn't for the luv I get from the dj's I wouldn't even be doing this anymore.

Quite frankly, I took a break from the remix game for like 4 years b/c it didn't motivate me anymore. But after dj's like you & dj's from around the world kept hittin me up asking how they can get the old av8's and my classic bud's breaks on vinyl it motivated me to do a 'greatest hits party break cd'. AV8 was suppposed to put it out but they got issues so I'm not workin with them anymore!

Then I realized that so many dj's like myself were using serato so it would be easier to get the dj's high-quality digital music without having to rip a cd.

Boom! www.remixmafia.com was born, so DJ AP's stuff (Prime-Time Blends), DJ Mad Method (Mad Method Recods) and MOST of my catalog old and new.

All high quality stuff + other dj's like yourselves will be invited to submit your mixes as well.

My personal remix site: WWW.MIXMASTERSGOLD.COM will launch in October 2006. This will have my ENTIRE catalog of over 200 songs old & new plus some special treats for you dj's

Again, thank you for your support and I'm in the studio bangin out quality shit so that we can rock the world!

x

www.myspace.com

yo if you guys could have the option to download them as .wav or aiff files for an extra dollar, i'm sure many would willingly pay for it.

that's what beatport.com is doing....

and if you're a DJ used to playing a big system like a phazon - the difference in depth between an mp3 and an aiff becomes a little noticable...

just a suggestion... : )

I'm still trying to figure out if this is a joke or not. Whether it is or not, I'm sure I'll be first in line to get my fix :P

I think the donations are fair because I know how much time it takes to pull together a "hot" mashup. It saves me the hassles of opening pro tools and thinking up my own mashup/partybreak. Paying 2 or 3 bucks for a track just to save me the time in creating it myself is more than fair.

And the whole "real dj" controversey. Lets not be ignorant, if you're playing at a club for people who listen to top 40 ish, then mashups' will definetly get the crowd hype. In contrast, if you play for a room full of arrogant dj's who anticipate originality and scratching skills, that's a different story.

LoL, I just thought of something. Fatman Scoop Should have a site where one can type in a Dj Name and it will convert it into Fatman's Scoops Voice. lol that'll be the ish! That way the regular Joe Shmoe's can rock the fatman scoop acappella.

that would be pretty dope..

Check out the party break and mash-up available for download, just finished them today. DUB


www.myspace.com

KarrsiN, that's a GREAT Idea hahaha

I know scoop personally. We did a record together with Sasha "coca cola shape"

I'm gonna ask him about it lol!
Oh also hit me up on myspace...

....Ryme I'm checkin ur sh*t out now. Hit me up on myspace...

DJ Excel "The Mixmaster"

x

He could auction personalized tracks.

I spun that joint Friday nite at a residence.

Haha yea Siz lay it on em....
As was said, if ya dont like it, dont buy it....
On the other hand, if you do like it, go check out my shit its up there too hahahaha

dj solomon, I have spoken to many friends and also guests. Even if they show crowd reaction, they are sick of that song, so am I. Unless I am not desperate, meaning I cant freaking move the crowd, I wont play this rubbish. (I am not saying you dont know how to move the crowd... just to avoid any misunderstanding).


DJ NRG, are you serious about that? What sets me apart from other DJs is that I am not playing these kind of tracks. You dont really seriously believe you are outstanding b/c you are playing those tracks... cause a lot of djs play those tracks.


sizz, I feel ya. I understand ya. The only thing I was grumbling about was that you and some others made the impression with their comments you are not a "real" or good or whatever dj if you dont play this stuff. I know you are just trying to sell your tracks - thats legit. You made your point clear that the stuff is kinda crap for the dumb crap crowd - but thats where the money is as you said. Thats fine.

Hey nik39,

I'm just curious to know what were the tracks you played in your latest set?

Damn, Sizz, Excel, and is that Corey Jasper?! What about Chachi and Riz? Had no idea you were all here. Joints are straight fire and have been progressing the game to a whole new art form...that in turn elevates the club to a WHOLE new level! I'm on your tracks daily, throwin them down in the mix that night. Hell, even rockin them on this month's Foot Long record pool mixtape for Interscope. Between your heaters and a handful of unique others around with similar styles, an entirely new genre of music is being created that I gladly pay for every day.

This whole Rock Mash revolution is insane and does exactly what Sizz is going after - makes girls go b-a-n-a-n-a-s lol... For real though, keep up the original work - the more crazy it gets, the more I trip. Ha my neighbors must think I'm crazy from logging on each day and yelling from fuckin excitement at the new tracks posted in the vault cuz I can't even wait to mash em up in the mix that night. Keep doing your thing and constantly elevating that originality.

Quick favor though one of you, noticed there's still not one Sweet Home Alabama mashup on the site - and I own seriously almost every track. You gotta give me one of those. I've got a few different ones, and one killer one vs Luda Stand Up, but I wanna see what you guys can do with that track...I know it'll be serious!

Also, I forget who just did the Prince vs Robin Thicke mashup in the vault - not at my laptop, but reminds me of one I've been doing live for a minute with Prince and BEP - Boogie That B on Wanna Be Your Lover. Gives you that warm and fuzzy feeling of a mash that just fits right. I just can't find the acappella, but I'm telling you, it do what it do, so if anyone can find that acappella, throw it down officially. Been waiting for crak4djs to launch and definitely gonna check out remixmafia tomorrow Excel!

Karssin, yes, I do play commercial stuff as well. Also stuff which you hear on the radio, but there is no freaking way I would play the same set each week. I might play some hot tracks which are "new" for a couple of consecutive weeks in a row, but I wont have some kind of "fixed" list of tracks which I *always* play.

Anyway, regarding your question, lets wait until SSL supports a playlist export, until then I am too lazy to write down a complete playlist ;)

I just came from the Foot Long Record Pool site. It's a clean, well put-together site.

cassin nick plays in his bedroom for his cat, so he doesn't really keep track of songs he's throwing down, or what combos really worked well, quickmixes etc. every other saturday though he does a volunteer set for the national housing center for the deaf in the main courtyard, but its more of a visual show than audio.

Right. I am also using Virtual DJ for it, not Serato. I dont even 0wn Serato. ;) I am not using even turntables I am just dancing in front of the audience at the stage.

"You sound like a fan and everything
I know you were dancing and singing my shit...back in the days
Try to front on me.... you should know the student shouldnt fuck with the teacher
I tell you what.. after the fatbeats shit
And all the hype I gave you wears off
Come see me, I'll make you my hypeman
And work on some steps steps,
cause I'ma make you my dancer too"

( www.ohhla.com <- click, Masta Ace "Acknowledge", no offense or something, I just came back from vacation where I was listening to this great piece of rap.)

BTW, even if there are a very few few few combos I use, I hate combo tracks. Even if they work well. Boring to me.

www.lyricsbox.com

Thats funny, when I was a lil boy I was in a dancing crew and we made a clip for national tv... with c+c music factory running in the background, but it was the other song... Haha. :)

WWEEEEE-HHHEEE!!

"nik the Dancing Cop"... HEEEE!

Don't get mad at me nik. I defend you all the time. You probably didn't see that forum that Sam may have selectively let go too long before he shut it down dedicated to blasting you. You know who your friends are.

yeah im just playin man, its all good

paps, I know :)

Clark, thanks for the support, I read the thread by accident, I found it amusing. All the love shown by those cats. ;)

Hey, yes its me...lol
Thank you very much for the kind words....We all do what we do for all of you, and the positive feedback is greatly appreciated..
Check my section out tomorrow, i actually have a party break i made going up with samples of sweet home alabama in it...

Nothing beats actually attending a family reunion IN AL when that song is played. [LOL!]

To my Crooklyn Clan Vault producers - again thanks for the dope production! Here's my latest example of why I pay for your hard work:

Track listing:
hollabackentertainment.com

Download:
www.hollabackentertainment.com

while we're on the party break tip...i need the french connection joint that came out on AV8 a minute ago...i think dj excel did it...but i'm not sure, and it's been out of print and some hoe ass DJ stole my copies.

holla.

Evil One, I'll send it over to you if it's cool with Excel - PM with your email.

My bad, it's DJ LBR that did that track.

What up peeps... Some of my mash ups have been added on the site today.. check em out. www.crooklynclan.net

i have alot of crklyn clan wax.

on nervous?

Yeah like Holla said LBR did that.

'Let me clear my funk' was done by DJ LBR as well

x

Jay, I peeped these out last night. You've got some fire on there. My favorite is Elektro Gypsy... too hot!!!

Thank u sir. I will be adding more next week. Thanks for checking em out.

sorry JD wasnt feelin em that much although some peeps must if your on the crooklyn clan site so props to you for that.

Thanks. Yup, cant please everyone. Different strokes for different folks.

exactly.

Shit today is the first time i've checked this forum in a while being I had to roll up on the site and snatch the newest Serato cuz these dudes im about to play for have a ttm57. I see you guys just kept this forum goin, it's great.. Listen, we have a forum on our site now for you all to discuss our issues, so please everyone feel free to join and come holla at your boys! I urge you to make your first post in the "Who Are You" section and just tell everyone what type of dj you are and what you function is in the industry. As for JD and his material, like anyone else, sometimes you feel it sometimes you don't that's just the way it goes.. Me personally, I think JD has a unique style and I like what he puts together. I'm especially feeling Elektro Wine, the shit sounds like it was meant to be! Great work and happy to have you aboard my man!

I hit up something on the board and never got a reply, and it was a damn good request too.

Maaa GOD! I just made a donation like I'm Bill Gates or some shit! lol

Defenitely the hot ish that I been looking for and hundreds more that I was not expecting, Sizza. Thank you all. And big ups to my boy Farr!!!

(Now back to reading the long and controversial Croocklyn Clan thread! haha)

Hey fellaz. I'm having some issues trying to re-tag the files I purchased. I am just going through and adding artists, comments, etc so that I can search on Serato. The info will not save to some of the MP3's.

Any idea what could be keeping it from writting to the file?

The files are NOT mark "read only".

u might have to convert the id3 tag to "none" first. then make your changes, and save it as id3 tag version 2.3

gotcha... these little B#@!$%~!!! LOL

Keep it real... Support Crooklyn Clan!

the man himself ^^^^^

www.crooklynclan.net

Props to you on getting added to The Vault Mo Rada! You've got some hot ish up on there! I checked out your MySpace page a while back and was wondering why some of those mixes weren't up on there.

I meant BEFORE you were added. I see the need for the edit button now lol.

^^^lol... thanx for the props bro, glad u guys are feelin em

Nicely done! You put in much work on this mix (LOTS of mashups/blends).

I was exhausted listening. You caught me off guard with the Sexy Love (Sexual Healing) transition!

Lighten up on the heavy scratches though. Good stuff...

do the tracks from crooklynclan.net all come with instrumentals... or loops?

no man. Please read above. They are what they are. Single mashup track downloads.

It's almost impossible to get AV8 records on turntablelab (except be faithful). Why?

www.djstuart.com.ar

yo mo rada i read a post on here awhile back that u were at deko and u checked me play,never got a chance to say wats up and thanks for the love glad u were diggin my set....also ur tracks on the site are straight fire! keep doin ur thing man for reall glad to see ur shits apart of the site deff hit me if u ever come thru deko or any spots i spin and most importantly keep doin ur thing kid !
Myspace.com/djsalklutch
Crooklynclan.net

^^^^ likewise, Studio9 got in trouble with the ABC, if i aint workin maybe ill check out Deko this sat

sizz will be at deko this sat doin a guest spot ill be playin at sol in the city but if ur off deff go and support im sure he will be doin the damn thing there,plus dont no if u have been there this year yet the basement got totally redone from scratch its sick!

That's right! Go support Siz and Klutch this weekend! We'll be remixing Siz's laptop Friday so peep it live Saturday ;-) Klutch you're next... Check out how the design came out on the Inspiron 6000: www.hollabackentertainment.com

Does anyone know where I can find the blend DJ Holla used "Sexy Love Healing"? I couldn't find it on Crooklynclan.net.

Thanx.

That's actually my remix. Glad you like it and thanks to Holla for using it. Dope tape by the way! You can get it at remixmafia.com

Also, I just did a remix of Smack that - Akon which you can get at

scratchlive.net

I just purchased it...bang'n...Did I say "bang'n", I meant to say "BANG'N!!!!" You get the official "Remix of the Year Award" from me on that one chief. Thanx.

Thanks Gaffle! I really appreciate it. Remix of the Year... I like the sound of that! lol. Thanks again!

what ever happened to making your own blends?

Just finally checked my PM's now GaFFle, sorry. I couldn't remember where I got that one, but then I checked back here and I'm glad DJ JD stepped up to remind me! Mad props on that blend by the way...

TheMightyThor, most of us do make our own blends, we just primarily do it live at the club and don't record them or put 'em out. I do have some new "official" blends coming at you soon though - all I'll say now, but stay tuned for a serious Journey Into Mash...

thats good, i just hate when djs play all pre-fab blends and don't do their own.

Why are you posting this here? If you don't like "pre-fab blends," make another post, please, instead of trying to stop someone else's hustle.

doin Studio Work and spinnin an acapella over an instrumental in Serato are 2 different arts to master.

Blending live is a talent not many people have that i respect alot. Playing pre-recorded blends can get boring and doesnt impress me much in the club, but its those DJ's who have those creative off the wall trax in true mashup style that make me say "ohhh shiz". These are the mashps that were more than likely produced profssionaly.

You can expect every DJ to know how to do Studio work.

*** ^^^ You CANT expect every DJ to know how to do Studio work

Exactly Mo. I do both personally and there are people on the board who know that.... I do live mash's and I play some of my favorite mashes by all sorts of other dj's. I have recently been making my own studio made one's as well but quite honestly I have NO time to do so. Not until I can quit my day job and focus on music full time. Thats when the crooklyn clan comes into play...... saves other dj's from having to do the hard work.

It's not being un-creative because ther are ALOT of dj's out there that can do what these guys are doing (not taking anything away from you cats) but if these guys have the time to make them whats wrong with buying them and using them ;in your sets.....

Dont get me wrong though, if I think of a hot mash-up blend that isnt already made, im gonna make that bitch myself :)

I don't have any Studio skills either. I can blend some records though. I'm about to post a Club mix I just made, inspired by that JD "SexyHealing" track and DJ Silk...

Can't wait to hear it!

It's on the General Forum now.

hands down crooklyn clan has hot traxx!! yeah some sound kinda off, but fact of the matter is, the hits are SOLID!!!

If you don't like them, don't hate. If you like them, use them. Who cares if people question if you can mix or not, just because you use them. I don't DJ for them. I know what I can do.

Ya'll need to stop drinking that hatoraide! RESPECT!!!!!!

sizzahands is playing in Boston. ima check that shit for rizzzzle

respect to the crooklyn clan.... Oochie Freaks after the original Freaks always blows up the spot for me and my 5 weeklies :P + can you believe I still practice hahahahahahah.. this thread is tops. i love dj's... even the hater ones, theyre some of the most amusing people I've ever encountered.

i love the crooklyn clan stuff and have donated like they was red cross... but the halloween ones aren't that good. amusing though ;)

I agree, the halloween ones sound like they were some last minute mash-ups and they really didnt work to well at the club....... when I first bought them I was kind of pumped up because I didnt have much to play for halloween but these are really not that useful. Id rather play the regular versions........ better luck next time fellas!

wassup Ryme, i seen the other thread and thanks for the props and support. Sorry they didnt go over to well @ the Club. The Monster Mashup was more of a quick cutter for amusement. I'm not sure what crowd you spin for but i didnt plan on either of the 2 i putup to be for the younger crowd.

Either way i always appreciate feedback, even if its not 100% positive ;).

Just to let ya know where i was coming from with mine... Its obvioulsy a Halloween Theme'd mash using Thriller. Its not really gonna get much play after the 31st, sooooo i didint wanna slave for hours making something that was incredibly complex and see it do nothing after the 31st.
Just wanted to put something fun together that can be dropped for 2 min or so and have everyone in costume freak out. I've dropped the Sexy Thrills the last 2 nights since i made it and its been getting INCREDIBLE response... maybe it just belongs in a different spot in your set?
In any case, we do appreciate all feedback positive and negative, it helps us get a guage of where the customer is at!

werd!

ha ha, no prob fellas, as you saw in the other thread I gave you your props, on the other had i've been playing a few of Mo's other things and they are fuckin great....... and I understand where your coming from Solomon, maybe it was just the crowd last night...... im gonna try to drop them again tonight and tomorrow. I play for a pretty diverse crowd (not too young) I'll let you guys know how they do over the weekend. The monster mash one was my favorite and I was hoping it would get a crazy response.

maybe it was still to far from halloween last night... I'm gonna guess tonight is the night!

So I have spent way too much money in the Vault and now I need to figure out some creative ways to organize all of this music in propper sets within iTunes. The posibilities are absolutely endless and the transitions could be done every which way, its just sick.

Can anybody with good experience point me the right way/show us some sifferent ways to do it? Crooklyn/AM/Holla/Solomon/Sizzahandz... you are probably the best at this already... Drop some knowledge!

• Currently I am trying to just be descriptive within the "grouping" tag so that for example my Justin Timberlake's/Michael Jacksons'/Etc. are easy to find and in some kind of logical order.

See a screenshot of my "Party Sets" here (you may want to save it to your computer as it is kind of big and unconfortable to view with the browser alone): djbis.com


Normally I would create a Smart Playlist based on comments, grouping, BPM, etc. but in this case I chose to use a normal playlist just so that I can retain the BPM order and logical order that I feel can be appropiate for a set (grouping tags).

As you can see this idea is not going to be as effective in a month or so when the number of mashups double and the "Grouping" tag for some of the tracks gets filled with more than 4 or more keywords. Why not use the comment tags? I use those for mood, etc, and they are pretty full as well.

I hope somebody here has some good advice/tips. Thank you and keep the great music coming!

PS: We need some killer Isley Brothers "Shout" remixes/mashups!

OMG, absolutely would blow away these college kids around here!!!

noted...

the way i organize my tracks are by genre. I have a folder on my pc for each specific genere and then a crate for each folder. Then i have bombs folder or quick set folder..

i know it takes alot of time to organize everyhting like that but believe me its worth every minute. plus if i ever needed to reinstall serato my crates would already be organized...

I organized my mashes like this:

Hiphop/rock_mash

HipHop/80's_mash

HipHop/120bpm_mash

House/mashups

ect....

Gernerally, I just organize them by genre or bpm. It's easiar for me to find. Although I will put one songs in different crates.

on a side thought.. which crooklyn clan djs made that nifty "Be Faithful" track?

Funny - DJ AM played a mash of Shout last night at Deko Lounge in New Jersey. It was quick... didn't notice what he mixed it with though. People lost their sh!t to it!


Crooklyn Clan = DJ Sizzahandz & DJ Riz

comments, comments, comments, load up your ID3 tags with whatever pertinant info you can think of, cross references for songs etc... that way if you search for a song title, artist or mash name, other associated inst, acap, mashes or artists come up. The smart playlists are def way ahead of the game... that is def a great way to help group stuff withouth having to search for certain "tag" words, it may also help you sort in ways you've never though of!

On the isley bros "shout" tip, I've been rocking that track a lot lately, I dropped it about 2/3rds of the way through my "live at Slide set" which can be downloaded here:

www.djsolomon.net

But a mash is a great idea..... hmmmmmn

I've got this z trip live in la cd. He drops "shout" from the "now waaaaay a minute. I feeeel allllriiiight..." Then when it goes "You know you make me wanna.." he drops the tears for fears "shout" acapella and does some ill stuff with that.

Crooklyn Clan's vault is amazing and I am about ready to drop mad loot there. A few things...are these tracks legal? Also, are there other sites like this one out there offering high quality sick ass mashups?? If so, pm me the links or post them here?

LOL, I believe it! God damn Isley Brothers sure know how to get a party going. LOL

You there AM? Tell us about the "Shout" mashup, homey. ;)

I still buy their stuff on vinyl if I can find them (Just for the sake of having hardcopies and collectors)



www.clubbangaz.com
and
www.av8records.com (Crooklyn Clans first home before the Vault)

I'd like to take a minute to go back. Way way back!
Back to party rocker ep's like, "Deez Are Da Breakz" and "Eargasm"

(Do you remember!)

Oh! Question.
What's the title of the house joint used in "Horny Temperature"?

Thanks for the tip man! I have considered having a "hard" copy of my music in folders but iTunes is doing such of damn good job organizing anything that I am thinking of just letting it go. It does make you wonder what will happen when iTunes is no longer "THE" perfect program with SSL... :(

At least I won't be the only one... lol


Let us know if the Isley bothers do make an appearance in the vault man!!!

Peace!

AM did some sh!t like that, but not with Shout; with Last Night a DJ Saved My Life. He was playing Hollaback Girl, then went to Last Night. He put Gwen Stefani saying "my shit" from "this my shit, this my shit" over "my life," so it went "last night a DJ saved my shit." It was funny as hell. Then he substituted "AM" for "DJ" and it went "last night AM saved my life." The dude is nuts!


There are a couple other places like www.clubbangaz.com, www.av8records.com, www.remixmafia.com, www.nrcproductions.com. I have only purchased from the Crooklyn Clan vault and Remix Mafia. They were all good quality. You can feel confident in dropping mad loot in there, as I myself have done :-)


I asked this before, I think earlier in this same thread. It's Lil Louis "Conversation."

I downloaded some mixes from Remixmafia. I do like the songs, but the quality was not good. There were a couple that I bought that were supposed to be their top tracks. They were encoded at about 192 and there was a lot of hiss in the background. I PM'd excel and have not heard anything on this yet.

great thread BTW.

DJ Solomon also sent me a link to his page. He has some killer stuff too. I think it's djsolomon.net

am deff tore it down at deko last nite glad u came out kid for the bday celebration as for the mashup he played it was shout over girls by beastie boys shit was bananas!

haha! That's nice!

That's right! That sh!t was off the chain. Happy belated to you Klutch, and you f'in ripped it as well!!!

thanks for the love kid! anytime u wanna come thru to deko just hit me and ill set u up!
myspace.com/djsalklutch

DJ BIS, I used to have my music just organized by playlists (Rock Mash, etc...) but after Klutch got me to weed out my music collection last week to spare that annoying frustration of an overwhelming amount tracks, I spent nearly every waking hour while not at the club yanking non-essential tracks and devising a new strategy to categorize it all. I hook up the grouping field now with all the parts of the track, mash, or acapella, drop, etc with the titles of the track or sample used.

Take Siz's Sexy Jack for example - I would tag the artist with Justin Timberlake vs. Michael Jackon and the grouping field with Sexy Back / Billie Jean / My Love T.I. That way when I search for Sexy Back or Billie Jean on the fly I get everything relating to it. Also do it for certain lyrics so that you can mash something together according to phrase transitions - like AM did so elegantly on that Power 106 mix a while back.

Another thing that's cool to do is tag the grouping field of remakes and the original stuff for mashing. So like in Riz's "Don't Look for Respect" I'd tag the artist "Nylons vs. The Lox" and the grouping field with "Don't Look Any Further / Money Power Respect". But if you want to do go another route with the Nylons though - type "Nylons" and get everything relating to it; it brings up the tracks you want to mash it with Paid In Full, Snoop's Paper'd Up, and cut Will Ferrel from Old School where he's saying "We're going streaking...bring your green hat...Snoop-A-Loop....etc (from when Snoop's doing the Nylons / Eric B & Rakim joint live at Mitch-A-Palooza)...OR...go another route with relation to Riz's Lox mash and songs that deal with Money - get up into O'Jays or the Gold Digger Anthem or something fun.

After using the tags the past few nights I am in fucking love with this shit. Now I just pop into the library, do the search for what I'm thinking and it brings up all the parts without having to plug them all individually into the prepare window or jump back and fourth between playlists. Best part is, whenever something comes to you, just update the tags in iTunes.

Overall BIS, it just gives you more freedom to read the crowd and go different directions, then have it lined up ready to go with only a few words of whatever it is your evil ass is concocting on the fly!

Klutch, now I want to thank you for getting me to weed tracks out cuz I would've never realized to do the grouping thing...but halfway through this time consuming shit I hated your ass man! Haha...just playin kid, you got yourself a dope belated bday laptop remix coming your way!

Damn that's long.

Holla, thanks for your words man. I am too starting to figure out that just because you *can* carry all that music with you it is NOT always good to have too much. It makes tagging all the little details a very time consuming process. I have to pick a few songs and go with them I guess, Otherwise I will be going nuts at before and during the party. :)

Word.

DEKO? Not SAYERVILLE DEKO? Oh, shnap...small world....

Thanks a lot bro. I just hit you up on MySpace... I'm DJ Decks.

Yeah, I'm starting to realize this too. What I'll probably do is keep all of the music on my hard drive, but just get some (ok, alot) of that music from out of serato. This is gonna take forever...

That's the other thing I learned. It takes time and hard work to make it all come together but, once you have it you begin to see the nice shiny fruit of it all. :)

yea deko in sayerville new jersey....in my serato right now i only have 1987 songs and ive been on it for a year now just to give u guys an idea of how tight i am with wat i actually carry with me lol

Well, I finally got around to this post.

First of all, let me say that the site is well designed, etc. Also, mad props to the creators for their business sense and the like. I ain't mad at you for trying to get paid.

Now here comes the real talk.

As I read these thread (took me forever), I saw a lot of nonsense about "real" DJs playing at clubs... Shit. MOST CLUB DJ'S ARE OVERATED and don't know shit about what a turntablist should do. They let "fake ass fame" get to their head. A REAL DJ can read the crowd, move the crowd, and even break new music to the crowd and keep the crowd going. Having said that if you think that you need an AV8, mashup, mix-it record, or whatever it is you want to call it, to make a crowd move you're mistaken. In reality, all you need is a song that's hot and your skills.


Now about the pricing. Fuckin' ridiculous.

This is where this quote comes in handy:

"I dunno why people were complaining about the prices so much. Why wouldn't you want to spend a few bucks for something totally unique that sets you apart from other Djs? I know for me i'm always looking for the hottest new ish that makes me stand out from my peers."

The prices are right for something that you think it's going to separate you from the rest? How do you figure, when ANYONE could have bought the track you're rocking. I could understand if a song was $4.99 because it was exclusively made for a handful of folks and still, anything you sell will be sold, traded, etc.

I think it was Rhyme who said he's happy because he doesn't have the time to make the mixes himself, etc. Man. If you really want to be original as some of this people claim this tracks will make you, then you make them yourself and keep the only copy to yourself. That's the only way you'll have a true exclusive and original mash-up, etc.

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Props on the whole average West Coast DJ > East Coast DJ's when it comes to skills and shit. This is very true. I know kids who rock the tables with amazing skills and are, above all, humble.
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Before you come back with some stupid shit, realize that I ain't hating on you guys, your site, or your product. I'm just speaking my mind.

Btw, I signed up to your site with my real info (as I always do). So, if you feel I offended you and need to holla, you know how to reach me.

I might post in your forums now and again if there's an interesting topic and shit.

Anyway, keep grindin'.

Oh, and one last thing:

A TRACK ALONE WON'T MAKE YOU A HOTTER DJ. KNOWING WHERE, WHEN AND WHICH TRACK TO DROP DOES.

Example: Think of your hottest commercial track. Now drop that shit in a real hip hop show. You're going to get booed off stage.

Viceversa: Think of your hottest underground cut. Now drop that shit at your hottest club with spoon-fed, mindless fucks on the dancefloor. You're going to get crazy looks and an empty dance floor.

said well.

Hey, I like those "spoon-fed, mindles fucks on the dancefloor" they make me feel special!!

Thank you.


Thank you.

Just one hilarious example... "DJ Riz - Live From Brooklyn Vol. 1", 10$. Guys, are you kidding us? I paid LESS for the original vinyl! In full uncompressed quality with (okay.. generic) coversleeve. Real vinyl. You are chargin us $10 for an mp3 copy?! Whats wrong here?

And you justify this with...



So it took you $10 for each download to convert the Live from Brooklyn audio file to mp3 and put it online?

Seriously, I dont mind paying for it. Really not. Matter of fact I bought two copies of Live from Brooklyn. I paid like 10$ for both together. Thats fine, cause I know the record store, the distributor and dealer plus the lable needed to make their money. ITs cool. Now I thought it would be less money for the labels to put out stuff as mp3. Then why is it more expensive? I mean, AV8 records were like 5$, you got up to 8 tracks for 5$. Now you want $5 for one mashup??


English is not my native language, I didnt know a donation is mandatory. If its mandatory... arent you in fact paying for it thus buying it?

I am not trying to hate, in fact I think DJs should be able to buy their tracks from somewhere in mp3 format. But I find this a bit dodgy, the way it is now.

Yeah... when I first visited the site that little disclaimer confused the heck out of me. I guess it's there way of dodging licensing issues.. in actuality... you're buying the songs, but not buying the songs...

nik39, That's the first thing I thought about when comparing the price of these mashups to the price of a vinyl (getting an actual product not just an mp3).

There's something completely wrong with the following, "therefore you are donating that amount to the artist".... what artist? The artist who ACTUALLY MADE THE RECORDING POSSIBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE? Or, the DJ who made the mashup. Cause, ah, that's a DJ, not an artist.

Also, "please be clear that you are NOT PAYING FOR MUSIC ON THIS SITE". I call that bullshit.

If in fact it is what they say it is, the track should be about 50¢. Yes, 50 FUCKEN CENTS. Why? Because there's no REAL talent in making a mash up from a recording you don't own or created in the first place.

I'd like to know how these DJ's (or artists as they call themselves on this site) came up with their prices besides supply and demand.

oh, and if you'd like to know how I came up with the 50¢ price here it is:

A mix CD costs an average of $10.00 with an average of 20 songs per CD. Very simple really AND YOU'RE GETTING AN ACTUAL PRODUCT, not just an AIFF file (or mp3 in this case).

Like I said before, I'm not mad at you for having a business sense, but this doesn't make any sense. I guess what I'm saying is that there is 'TRULY A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE".

Hmm... maybe I'd be on a similar rant if I was such a sucker for buying them.

great f*ckin quoe - well said siz

i spend all my milk money at crooklynclan.net

the market determines the price. if people weren't buying these mp3s than the prices would go down.

also, i dont mean to ruffle any feathers here, but its a little narcissistic for certain people to hijack this thread with their 2 cents about what "real djs" should buy.

there are like 20 djs selling mp3s on their site. if this was some huge corporation, go ahead and bash them. however, why djs would shit on other djs making money is beyond me.

^^^my thoughts exactly. And I also have a question:

What exactly is a "real dj"???? Please someone define this for me...

I did. On my post prior to this one. There are many definitions of a real DJ. What I defined, is just one of the definitions of a real DJ.

I figured. That's why I said or asked, "I'd like to know how these DJ's (or artists as they call themselves on this site) came up with their prices besides supply and demand".

I think they just threw a price out there to see what would happen. They threw $5 out there and everyone purchased them. Hell, I even got a few of them. Now with a few of them costing $10 is even beyond me.

Speaking for myself, and probably a few others, I got some of them so I could change up the vibe a little. I play about 2 or 3 per night. It's just something fun and different for the party goers.

And yes I am starting to make my own to play out with. I will NOT just buy a blend of sexy back accapella & the billie jean beat. Now that IS rediculous.

AMF, well said.

It seems like this thread keeps going in circles. I also notice alot of "hating" in here. There are many tracks on that site that are very creative. I also don't understand how one could say that dj's are not "artist".

Artist is a descriptive term applied to a person who engages in an activity deemed to be an art. An artist can also be unofficially defined as "a person who expresses themselves through a medium". The word is also used in a qualitative sense of a person creative in, innovative in, or adept at, an artistic practice.

Now if a dj is not an artist, I don't know what is!

I'm not gonna bother getting into matters regarding the Vault, but I will say this...


I dont understand what a "Real DJ" is. Apparently everyone stereo types younger DJ's as "Fake" or "Wack" because they werent around for crate digging or Run DMC.

Either a DJ can rock the crowd or they cant, i personally dont think it matters if they use CD's, Vinyl or a PC. I may think less of their skills and talent if they cant use turntables but it still doesnt take away the fact that they did their job and entertained the crowd.

Playing a hot & rare mix/blend/mashup wont rock the party. Setting up these tracks and using ur skillz and talent will. All DJ's play at different levels. If youve never creted and expierenced a high energy atmosphere of people dancing & singing along to the "korniest" shit possible then you probably wont see where "The Vault" is coming from. By korny i mean a typical song thats NOT club worthy, but you managed to get it off anyway.

When ur a DJ who aims for this level, playing a hot mashup of a track thats typically NOT club worthy turned into something that is, can make places like "The Vault" your best friend.

Much love to all you Vault Supporters!

DJ Mo Rada, love that crazy bitch in love remix!!!!

Oh yeah, and I won't donate because I don't think your times is worth a couple of bucks :P

Im backkkkkkkkk!.. Ok here's how i answer all of this.. STOP COMPLAINING DON'T COME TO THE SITE NO MORE. I don't get offended at all for anything that anyone says. Opinions are like assholes we all have one. Forums are like toilet bowls for us all to shit our opinions into. Feel free to shit til your face turns blue, but quit yer complainin cuz as ive said time and time again, WE ARE NOT TWISTING YOUR ARM. Be smart, wait for your buddy to DONATE, then ask him for the track! If you don't think the tracks in the vault are making dj's better, then you are not paying attention to whats going on around you. I walk into clubs and kids are opening for me for 200 bucks and destroying my set with MY OWN MASH UPS and makin the crowd go nuts. I don't complain cuz i am a real dj and i can dance around anyone that is trying to show me up, then a hour later come back with the same shit he played and be a rock star all over again. Mo Rada you MURDERED IT with that crazy bitch in love jam. Too damn hot kid. sixx, sorry you are not happy with the vault, but WHO ARE YOU ANYWAY? Gotta go love ya's!

Sizzahandz
Crooklyn Clan
(im not only the president, im also a client)

hahahahaha

I never said I wasn't happy with the vaul Sizzahandz. Don't try to put words in my mouth. Your site and the products you offer ain't for me.... as I can rock any crowd (club), mixshow, or whatever using my own creativity and if it comes to that, my own "mash ups" cause I'm talented enough to create my own shit.

So, don't hate cause I ain't hating on you. If you're wondering who I am, don't worry. I never heard of you before this thread either.

:P

and I agree.

Let me try and clarify what I mean. A DJ CAN BE AN ARTIST. I'm not denying that fact. Now, if you think you're an artist for borrowing someone's shit without their permission (YES, THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING) and creating something that's new BUT NOT REALLY NEW (you feel me?) then you're not an artist. I don't care how you twist it.

Here's how you can prove what I say. Look at a well produced mix CD. Lots of drops, blends, mixes, all done and created by the DJ using the work of ARTISTS... at the end of the day, you're still a DJ. Not an arist.

Mork calling Orson, come in ORSON! Listen little homie, what one considers art the other might consider garbage. This is what opinion is all about. If you feel what we do is simple, let's see you make a SIMPLE hit mash up.. It really is that simple right? You can rock live so good can't you, so put something on tape and show the world how dope you are. I'll give it away donation free in the Vault just for you if it's hot enough. Im done rolling around in the mud with you lad, so im going to bid you well, have a great weekend, rip up the crowds and give it all you got, don't eat the yellow snow, and definitely don't take any wooden nickels! Oh one more question before I go.. If you are not a fan of what we do, why are you in this thread anyway? Food for thought. Ciao handsome!

Your argument makes NO SENSE to me. Does Jay-Z borrow shit from other artists??? Does Diddy borrow shit from other artists??? It could be argued that they have made CAREERS using other people's shit... so according to your argument, they aren't artists then either. I mean what's the difference? that they got permission for their sample work??? Its the same shit anyway you twist it. Its taking popular elements, putting them together and creating something completely new with it... that's a form of art. period.

Awww. LOOKS LIKE I HURT YOUR FEELINGS. Poor baby.

Quite interesting that you dont comment on the other questions. Like legality. Do you really think you are NOT selling those tracks? If it was only a donation, wouldnt be the tracks be FREE? The "customer" cant choose whether he likes to donate or not, so matter of fact you are selling them. For a horrible price.

I really liked your "Live from brookly" Vol.1. But there is no freaking way I will pay $10 for a garbage quality mp3. (Yes, I read a couple of people complaining about the quality). Certainly you are right about one thing - no one forces me to buy stuff from your website. And bet, I freaking wont. But as you wouldnt care, cause you seem to have more than enough dummies buying stuff from your website - its all good.

Plus we dont need to discuss the fact that on your forum people (all kinds of people...) participate in illegal file sharing. Post about it. And whoever administrates the boards accept it.


So jigga takes instrumentals which are already finished, takes some acappellas which are already completed by another artists and puts them together? He *raps*. And now dont come with "Oh, we got Fatman Scoop on our tracks". lol.

I think the difference here is that THEY PAY for what they borrow. Do these DJ's (artists) pay anything for what they're sampling?

Nothing wrong remixing something, mashing up for creative purposes and to get your bars up as a DJ... but it's when you're charging an arm and a leg for something that's essentially stolen that I see something wrong with it.

That's just me though. Keep doing what you're doing. I'm not affected by it. I'm just pointing it out.

lol - nik39, you essentially beat me to it.

Thanks but no thanks. I got my own mixes on my website FREE OF CHARGE BECAUSE I DON'T OWN THOSE RECORDINGS AND THEY WERE CLEARED WITH THE RESPECTIVE RECORD LABELS before being posted.

Or maybe I should label myself an artist and sell them mixes for $50 each.

:P

Main Entry: do·na·tion
Pronunciation: dO-'nA-sh&n
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HATERNATION I LOVE IT! Buy a vowel homie, you couldnt hurt my feelings with a 2x4.. Change your name to "DJ Invisible Man".

and I wonder why this cat didn't get a warning for breaking one of the forum rules... or why this thread isn't locked...

No, what jigga does is borrow elements from other artists CONSTANTLY... he does it in virtually EVERY rap and most of his beats are sampled works. That's HIS steez. He even did a MASHUP album with Linkin Park... maybe we should ask him if mashups are art. I'm pretty sure I know what his answer will be.

I wonder if this thread isn't locked because of this.

So, I guess we can advertise products and services after all.

Maybe you should ask how much he paid.

Apparently, I did... since you even commented on that simple fact.

It's OK though. It won't break you.

He is *rapping* his own lyrics (at least lyrics which have not been "just taken" from a different artist without letting him know). Even the track with LP, he rapped it! He has the copyright on those lyrics. He is *rapping*. Most mashups are a simple re-arranged (stolen, already finished, mastered) instrumental, and a simple-re-arragned (stolen, already finished, mastered) accapella.

That makes me a big difference IMHO. Just because I am doing a mashup doesnt mean, I am a remixer, not even thinking about labeling me as an "artist". My 2 cents.

don't forget nik39, that even if those weren't Jay's lyrics, a ghostwriter got paid.

Ooops, I quoted myself :-P

:P

Addressing Nik.. FYI, a portion of the people that pick up tracks from the Vault work at major labels. Crooklyn Clan has been a grey area for a long time because of the fact that what we make is NOT garbage, and it keeps artists and their songs alive. Putting artist's like Journey, Cyndi Lauper, Annie Lennox, and others into the ears of today's club goer and radio listener can only help the labels and respective artists. One major label actually wrote to us and said "What your are doing is outside the guidelines but we love it, keep up the good work!" Artists are getting shows because of mash up's wether you want to believe it or not. The nickels we bring in are nothing in comparison to what our service provides for the actual artists we remix. I really would love to entertain this thread all night, but I myself am also a dj (kinda wack dj with no skills) but nonetheless I have work soon and im trying to finish this mash up right now (mash up=no talent blend of other people's property). I wish everyone the best i'm a non confrontational individual and prefer to stay that way thank you.

Thats what I meant when I said "He is *rapping* his own lyrics (at least lyrics which have not been "just taken" from a different artist without letting him know)".

Sorry, english is not my native language and I didnt know how to put it better.


Interesting, thanks for the insights.

Do the labels know you are actually supporting illegal file sharing and trading on your forums by tolerating them and not closing down this threads?

Do the labels know that you dont just give those tracks away but actually charge quite a lot? Whoever said Apple is moneyhungry with their overprized iTunes store, must have not heard of the Vault before.

Snap! I forgot the record industry is composed of only one label. Btw, the person who contacted you was a label rep. Probably an intern at that. Good point though (you wish).

and Mr. non-confrontational... after you went after me for posting my opinion? You went as far as calling me "DJ Invisible Man" hahahaha

Shiiiiiit. Hypocrite.

Totally agree, couldnt have said it better.

I agree too, even if I believe he was being sarcastic.:P

Oops. I quoted myself. :P

Oh snap! Damn quote button. :P

Pardon! Wont happen again. I wanted to click on the "report" button :-D

Ok everyone it's been fun.. You feel the way you do and we feel the way we do.. In closing, If i ever do find out who you DJ'S are, do NOT let me walk in a club and hear one of you playing one of my mash up's because so help me I will expose you like a naked lady in the subway. Have a great day :-)

Sizza, please be so kind and answer these last two questions. I will try not to bother you again ;) :

If you ever do find out who we are? lol - I guess I'm hiding or something? hahahaha

Shit. My street address, internet address and phone number have been at your disposition since post 1.

Oh. Don't you worry about that. Mash up's don't exist on my hard drive... unless I've created them myself and most likely, live.

Oh Snap! Damn quote button.

Isn't the American way just Grand..

First off - We have a dude that is BLATENTLY breaking rules of the music industry and replies with, ya the artist(s) said, "It's OK." Essentially saying, "We play in the gray." and with this there no harm no foul being called because they're lighting a match to talents candles who long blew out. A dirty rule breaking punk adding change in his pocket and gets to be the hero. [[breakin the law & getting paid]]

While the cats on here are simply noting the issues at hand and get called names for doing so by our law bending brute.

Donations... that's just damn funny for a PAY SITE.

All Sizzahands has to do is keep egging you on - keeping this thread at the top - all publicity is good publicty.

perhaps a lock is in order since this is essentially advertising for them now.

Agreed. No such thing as bad publicity, right?

Ok ill answer the questions.. I DONT HAVE A FORUM INCASE YOU HAVENT NOTICED, AND TWO, do you think this is just here and nobody knows about it? do you honestly think the vault just exists and nobody of importance has stumbled across it? Its not like we are hiding it from anyone. I like what we do, and so does alot of other people because it IS CREATIVE, sounds good, gives you an alternate version of a song to play, and various other reasons why it's good. Forget about the bs, if you are a dj you know that variation is a good thing. Some dj's might not be able to blend and mash live in a club, and find what we do to be useful. Even dj's that i KNOW can kill it live in a club still come to the Vault. As for the donations, do you remember buying vinyl in the store? There were times that i bought an entire album cuz there was no single of the song i wanted and payed 12.99 for it. In the Vault you get what you want, nothing more, nothing less. If you don't want it, you move along to the next. It can't be more simple, if the donations are out of your calibur then don't donate! So the questions you asked i've answered the only way i know how. As for you sixx, I don't want your address nor do i want to come over for dinner or to slam your head thru the wall, I just wanna know what DJ you are out of sheer curiousity. You are in my list of dj's i MUST go see live and i don't even know your dj name. Hi, im Siz, who might you be?

Imminent flame war's a brewin.....

This "gray area" is the life of the working DJ. We all illegally play songs at gigs at one point or another. I find it hard to believe anyone here has the licensing to publically spin all your records. I buy and play Lethal Weapon, Fat Wax releases and such.... I'm sure those are illegal as hell. So I'm not going to blame the Crooklyn Clan dudes for doing the same business in pushing hot tracks they had access to first and skipping the vinyl portion. It's one of those things you don't really question, and if you do then you gotta question the whole industry. I don't know if I'm making any sense... I've worked too damn much on the computer the past 3 days... running on a cummulative 5 hours of sleep for those 3 days...

When a dj mixes two songs it becomes a blend/mashup. Most dj's do this all the time when they mix live. Now if someone has a pre-recorded blend/mashup of two songs and wishes to offer it to another dj so that they may use it in their set, what is the harm in that.

This is America, we have the right to make our own choices in everything we do, including what we as dj's/artists use in our sets.

lol @ not knowing my DJ name. I guess you can't read.

I won't disagree with you except that once you start charging for something you don't rightfully own, it becomes a concern.
Not to me. I could care less. I'm just pointing it out and I guess I've hurt feelings in the process.

I couldn't agree more. However, we DON'T ALL start selling shit we don't own.

hahahahaha. Shiiiiiit. Really, the website you're promoting doesn't have a forum?

Oh snap. What did I register for then? I even posted once on there. hahahahahaha

I guess "DJ Invisible Man" should apply to you.

Yeah... I let those chosen few do it to keep me clearly in the unclear gray area. ;)

It doesn't seem like we will resolve the whole "grey area" issue. Siz does make a great point when he mentioned that after someone makes a donation, you have the option of sharing with other dj's, but in no way am i advocating file sharing.

nik39 and sixxx need to seriously find something else to do than post on this site, about some obvious bullsh!t that they cant come up with a decent argument for.

seems like u 2 are just quoting and typing for the sake of typing and seeing ur names over and over on the forum.

couldnt disagree with u 2 more... nuff said

Yeah f dat... I paid for these! haha... If I found em online elsewhere, then sure.

Wow, that's sad! They actually removed the forums at the Vault. I swear, some people just have to ruin it for others.

OK...

So i went to SIXXX's website 2illegalaliens.com

DID YOU NOT STEAL THIS FROM SHARK ENERGY CANADA?????

www.sharkenergy.ca


anyone else notice?????

not trying to start and argument here either..

just wasnt sure who copied who?

sG and KarrisiN are right! We all operate in grey areas - you need a license or release to play music (where another person owns the Copyright or intellectual property) in public. It's that simple! Some clubs purchase a license, but often times you (as the DJ) are supposed to submit a play list to the governing body in advance to have it approved in order for the licence to be valid.

I've played at my fair share of concerts in support of some high profile recording artists and a couple of the really big concerts I have been asked to submit a play list in advance of what I was going to put into my set in order to have it approved by the governing body before the performance? But 90% of the concerts (usually organised by smaller promoters) didn't care what I was going to play and so I could just ride the crowd live and sample whatever I thought would work on the spot. So I'm sure in those concerts I was probably infringing copyright.

Yes, Crooklyn Clan operate within a gray area and that introductory page on their site about it being a "donation" for time and not the purchase of music is complete BS and wouldn't even get a second read from a Supreme Court Judge. But realistically what Record Label would want to sue them? Their work is completely different from the original version of the track (even with the simpliest remix like Sexy Back Acapella over Thriller instrumental - you can't buy that on JT's album - props to Solomon on that remix) and because the remixes are different, it's not impacting on the record labels pockets either ie. people are still buying the original version in addition to the remix. Allot of the remix service records out there are just complete reproductions of the original single - in those cases it would effect record sales - but definately not with Crooklyn Clan.

Also the Vault remixes don't try to take credit away from the original artists like many mixtapes do - mixtapes have drops all through them saying "DJ XYZ in the Mix" - or whatever - I've never bought anything from the vault that trys to promote the DJ that remixed it. There's no attempt by those DJs to brand the work as their own - they're simply producing a hot remix of the track that you can't get anywhere else.

And heres another point - Crooklyn Clan . net is actually a valid, cheap and essential marketing vehicle for the record labels. We are all part of legal download sites like Digiwaxx or receive promo music direct from the labels asking for us to give our feedback and play the tracks in return. Why are those sites legal? Because it gets the music directly to the DJs that then play it for the people who go and buy the music. Well Crooklyn Clan's customers are the record labels target audience also - those same DJs. It doesn't cost the labels anything at all and the DJs on this site are creating hot remixes and getting them out to the people who will play and promote the music for them, which in turn makes our clientel go out and buy the albums or singles.

Sorry, one more point before I get off of my soap box - Lol - I would love to make my own mash-ups and I have made a couple myself that I think sound hot using Cool Edit Pro. But I find it nearly impossible to get my hands on good quality acapella's and instrumentals - especially the Old Skool and 80's Funk stuff that Crooklyn Clan do so well. Their remixes are of a high quality and sound like they were down using proper studio acapella's and instrumentals - that I simply cannot get my hands on to do myself!

I think they offer an invaluable service that I'm more than happy to keep paying for!

And Sixxx and Nik, I read your posts every day and respect your opinions, especially Sixxx I usually find myself agreeing with whatever your saying. But on this issue, I think the labels are more likely to quietly support and encourage the Crooklyn Clan site than take any objection to it!

Thanks for reading my rant . . .

Mac

I'm going to assume you're talking about my website? If you are, since I haven't checked out sharkenergy.ca, it's a TEMPLATE I bought and modified to suit my needs. I know flash but I'm too busy being a dj sometimes to dedicate time to creating a flash website from scratch.

Its nothing new. It has been mentioned before.

:)

Don't compare digiwaxx to your site. They're not selling their tracks.

I appreciate that. I feel what you're saying and I agree with some of the stuff you say. However, I don't think this site is legal even if they're providing a service to labels and they're looking the other way.

It's funny people are mad at me for SPEAKING MY MIND.

I find this amusing:

DUE TO PEOPLE BREAKING THE RULES THE FORUM WILL NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE. THANK YOU, IT WAS FUN WHILE IT LASTED.


You know. Closing threads or monitoring what your users do on your forum would've been sufficient. But, what do I know about gray areas anyway. :P

Quoting is necessary when you're trying to prove a point. If you think I like seeing my name over and over you're mistaken. If that was my intention, I have a drivers license I can stare at all day long.

and you're right... you can blame it on


a) The creators of the forum for not monitoring their forum

or

b) The people on the forum breaking the rules.

I think your argument on your website justifies others aruguments about not having time to create their own mashups from scratch. Just like you, most of us have software to create mashups but are either too busy or lazy. Just as you purchased a premade template, dj's also donate for pre-made blends/mashups.

I don't believe that people are "mad", they want to voice their opinions on your opinions which some people do not agree with.

Not at all. Actually, a template is just that. A template. You buy it and you modify it to your needs. After you have modified it, you can't re-sell it or anything else.

Comprende?

OMG. that is really funny

and actually, you can't even resell the template you just bought. You don't have the rights to that template... only to modify it to suit your needs.

I amm not really into mashups, just not my thing.Some of of them in the vault are ok. I am not going to knock anyone's hustle. Everyone has to pay the bills.


Respect to Sixxx, Sizzahands, and Nik39. Glad to see there are some cats here who can discuss thier opinions and differences as adults with a level head.

I ain't mad at ya Sixxx . . . got nothin' but luv for ya (RIP Tupac). I know you're just expressing your opinion, just like the rest of us!

But just on the "don't compare the site to digiwaxx because Digiwaxx doesn't charge" debate. Digiwaxx doesn't do it for free either - they make their money direct from the labels by selling advertising space/banners and how many DJs download and listen to each track (through hit counters etc). The difference with Crooklyn Clan is that we're (the DJs) paying them not the record labels. Again, I think this arrangement would appeal to the labels! It doesn't mean that you should now say everything's cool and start buying from Crooklyn Clan, but I think it's import to recognise that none of those sites are run for free, it's just who's paying the bills that's different!

Do you remember back in the day (especially the New Jack Swing era) when every 12" Single you bought had about 5 or 6 dope remixes on it. You wouldn't get an instrumental (usually) or an acapella, but there would be the smoothed out remix and the After Dinner Mint Remix etc etc. And it was usually the remix's that we would end up playing in the clubs. Well nowdays the 12" single have the radio version, the LP version an acapella and an instrumental (if you're lucky). So sites like the Crooklyn Clan site is providing a service (ie. remixing) that the labels used to provide but stopped doing for whatever reason.

I ain't mad at anybody Mac. I respect yours and everyone else's point of view.

and Scotty B, I'm not knocking on anyone's hustle... I think I stated that on my first post on this thread.

Sixxx- That was not meant towards you . That was just my own disclaimer.

Gotcha scotty B

I gotta give my 2 cents... in a lot of ways the Vault is like a record pool of sorts.. this is (or at least was a few years ago) a totally essential tool for the record industry to break music, they send record pool managers product (12"s) and they are distributed to the pool members on a regular basis... These pools cost money, or at least they used to, I remember people spending $80-100 a month 10 years ago... the labels never saw a dime of this money, it went to the pool manager who provided the service to the label. In a sense they were "illegally" selling records that were given to them for free for promotional use, but they charge members because it is a service....
While the Vault is not EXACTLY the same, it is a very similar situation that we are promoting music for labels and spreading it to other djs and as it states in the disclaimer, you are simply making a donation for the remixers time!

i rarely post here, but this is some corny shit. dj's snitching on each other, i couldnt hang with half these cats. let the next man live....

I would say it's not illegal if the labels are giving the pool approval to distribute the music. It becomes illegal when it's distribution without permission. The question with Crooklyn Clan's website is whether or not they have permission to distribute the music. And the next question would be would the labels care anyway.

I guess we can scratch #3 off this list?

Terms and conditions of using the Scratch LIVE forum.

You must agree to:

1. Be nice to others
2. Not pass yourself off as a Serato or Rane employee
3. Not post advertisements for any product or service

sixxx, I don't think the person who started this thread is related to Crooklyn Clan, so it's more of a discussion of a service rather than an advertisement of one.

U da man.

I've been checking out the threads in this forum for 6+ months now, and i have to start by saying that i have a lot of respect for what sixx has to say. However, when it comes to crooklyn clan. net i am a huge fan!! In particular, the sexy jack remix by sizzahands is straight up brilliant...flawless!! From the very first night i played this track, it was an instant hit..and yes, i feel as if i do stand out from other dj's in my area, because my venue is the only place you will hear this track. Hate all you want, but i have the utmost respect for sizzahands production skills and have no problem "donating" a few bucks for his work. Seems like there's a lot of haters in this forum who should come out and respect and praise another dj's work. sizzahands keep doing your thing man!!

dont get it twisted...this post has nothing to do with the legality of receiving a donation for the work. It simply addresses the numerous haters who want to put sizza on blast for his work. I would love to hear some of these critics come up with a mash-up which pays as much attention to detail as sexy jack. Just cause you mix an acapella over an instrumental live doesnt mean ish to me. More often than not it sounds like garbage with the chorus not even matching up with the beak in the beat..IMHO of course!!

Thanks for respecting my opinion Grim. I don't think anyone (at least not me) is debating sizzahands production skills. Or, the production skills of some of the DJ's creating "new" recordings...

Props to all the DJ's that are creative in their own way.

... but we're essentially debating what Matt G said here:

"The question with Crooklyn Clan's website is whether or not they have permission to distribute the music. And the next question would be would the labels care anyway.

Some of the DJ's on this thread have wrongly assumed that I'm hating on him or his site. I gave him props from post #1 from me on this thread.

It would be very hypocritical of all of us here at scratchlive.net who jump in on illegal sites or activities, to dismiss a "gray-area" site just because a) you're using their product (legal or not) b) you're a fan c) you're selling a product on their site.

As far as mixing an acapella over an instrumental live...
If you know what you're doing, it should sound better than OK. The beautiful thing about Serato is that it allows to play our own creations thus giving the DJ the ability to create dope ass mash ups, remixes, etc, and play them as if they were done live.

LOL this has gotten truly absurd. Two days ago this thread was informative and helpful for peeps, now it's just opinionated garbage. Either support the vault or don't. Regardless, I find it at least a little odd that the top DJ's across the country are associated with the vault in some way or another, whether creators, contributors, or customers. Just because you own a mashup that others have access to doesn't mean you know how to properly use it. It all depends on your ability to mash it up live with everything else. And those who don't talk about their skills usually are the DJs who can really fuck shit up.

As for copyright infringement and all that good stuff, not a single person would be on here even debating the vault if the artists just put out a piece of compilation vinyl each month like the loads of other mashup wax out there. Musicians typically respect DJ's who can mash because it's pioneering a whole new genre of music and educating club goers. I'm sure Steely Dan and Boston never anticipated being rocked at the hottest clubs across America 30 years later, but they are, and whether or not the RIAA wants to take on DJ's for doing so, let that be up to them - IF and when they actually decide to prosecute art.

We're just painting pictures with audio, and if people like the paintings we create, then they can donate funds to the artists who produce them, just like any painter out there. If you don't like the creations, then don't donate to the creator. After all, when's the last time somebody jumped on an art forum to criticize an artist for mashing the style of Monet and Warhol together and asking for a sum of money for the time and effort involved to do so? Don't want to buy? Don't comment. Do buy? Give some effective criticism on how to better the work.

I'm officially done with this thread until it revives itself with an actual purpose.

^^^^Amen to that^^^

BULLSH*T!!!!!!!! Please post a pdf of the letters from each record company clearing you to offer free downloads of nas, lauryn hill and all the other MAJOR artists that appear on your mixtape downloads.

Hypocrite.

The truth is the labels would have shut-down AV8/Lethal Weapon/Funkymix a long time ago if they didn't feel these-pseudo-legal companies were promoting their products. It's the same as file sharing for DJ's--fully respected by labels for promotional purposes. DJ's only make-up a few thousand people, with little music purchasing power. The DJs' collective ability to encourage consumer sales is much higher, obviously. It's just a no-brainer sacrifice, just like labels' paying for promotional CD's/vinyl to distribute to DJ's--the benefit far outweighs the cost, for labels.

Ok new day so imma start off by thanking everyone for coming to my defense in this thread.. Now after reading through all this bullshit i have one question that's really burning a hole in my stomach for you Sixx. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU CARE ABOUT MY SITE HOMIE? Why are you on my dick? Is it YOUR business if my site has permission or not to make mash up's? What's the concern for? You said it yourself you are NOT a mash up dj, so please tell us all why you are so concerned! Could you be mad at me cuz my name looks like yours except it has z's instead of x's? Im trying to figure out what the fuck i did to have you breaking my balls! Dude imma lay this out real simple for you. We are doing the labels and the artists a favor with our site. FREE PROMOTION FOR THEM, DO YOU SEE THIS? We are not getting rich here, believe me kid this just helps pay the bills. Why don't they bother us, cuz we have been in the industry since the late 80's and payed our god damn dues. We are ALSO tied in with MANY big radio and nightclub dj's, celeberties, and important people in the business. WE basically EARNED the right to do what we do in many people's eyes. If someone tells me "get my song off your site" i will immediately remove it. Will they say that? I doubt it because then none of OUR dj's support them anymore and our dj's MAKE A DIFFERENCE incase you havent noticed anyone you HAVE heard of. Im not gettin cocky but the truth is if you havent heard of me or CROOKLYN CLAN, you must dj OPERA MUSIC. My life is dedicated to music homie, I don't work a 9 to 5 job, I work on average 100 hours a week give or take a tv break here and there. Between dj'ing, production, making mash up's, and maintaining the website which i do ALL ALONE, I barely sleep thats real talk kid. Do me a favor and put it to rest my man.

well said Sizz.

I am not gonna give my full 2 cents cuz it doesnt mean doo doo, but this thread has been going in circles as stated.
I do see everyones point, but in the end it all comes down to this.
No matter what anyone says the vault isnt going away, unless every artist cracks down and has a mass protest against it, which is obv not going to happen.
The end result is, if you dont like the prices or think the mp3s sound quality is shitty, do just what sizz and kevin scott and whoever else makes shit for the site, and just dont go to it or use it. thats what it all boils down to. SOme one people dont mind paying 3-7 dollars a track. If they feel as tho those tracks are gonna help out there set, why hate on em cuz they bought them? they are no suckers, they are jsut doing what they think they need to do. I personally have never bought anything from the vault, but if I find a hot nuff track, I probably will. That doesnt mean I'm an idiot, becuz the fact is I cant make mash ups. So if I gotta pay a measily 3 bucks, which I would probably jus spend on lunch or helping out this homeless dude in the subway who got no hands anyway, why the fuck not spend it on a hot track that will set the shit on fire?

so yeah, thats my shitty 2 cents.

Wow if dude was so famous and busy working 100 hours per week, what is he doing on the forum ha ha. Sizz, your site is dope, alot of garbage but there are some gems on the site. I wish you guys would take out all the garbage for real. I agree that the prices are too damn much most of the time. But its supply and demand I guess. I really dont see why your on here arguing with us "lower" dj's as it seems you look at us. Most big time dj's dont waste their time on internet forums from what I can tell. All im saying is if I were from the crooklyn clan my ass would not be hitting up these boards messing with the "little" people.

DUB

It's true what Siz says, Crooklyn clan, Holla Boyz, AM and most of all the other Vault contributers are established dj's who work at the hottest night clubs around the country and radio stations. Therefore they can do what they do. I respect these guys completely for their longevity in the game and the way they keep their material fresh.

As Siz pointed out, people need to stop playing the bitch role and get a job with the RIAA and stop djing, because honestly, I think all dj's should support each other even though we don't agree with each others styles,genres or decisions. Many bridges have been burned on this thread but thats the choices people make when they get a hard on for politics.

Dude, werent u on the crooklyn clan forum trying to get on as an artist? So if your tracks didnt make the cut, I guess we can assume your mash ups are worse than garbage.

Its amazing how many hypocrites are on here flapping away. Sixx takes the cake though. Writing endless criticism of how crooklyn clan doesnt pay the artists for their music, yet his own website gives away free mixes with other artists' music.

What the fuck are you talking about kid? I dont even fuckin make mash-ups. Get the fuck out of here.......... dont question me homie. Ill get internet gangster on your ass.

hahahaha

^^ LOL - I just fell out of my chair at work.

Sixxx, i like the fact that you are a big SSL supporter man, and also that you haven't held back, but why oh why do you have this bug stuck up your ass in all of this mashup shit man?

Why would you even admit to joining the Vault's forum? That alone is kinda hipocritical. Don't you think?

You've been around since 1992 right? We'll then you got to know Crooklyn Clan, homey! We've been buying their cuts for quite a while and now with file distribution being the standard The Vault is just providing the same service, just digitally! Its the next logical step for anyone distributing their beats. Sure, its not like buying the record anymore for various reasons, and the price IS somewhat elevated, but as said previously, demand is driving that price man. Just stay away from it if you don't like it...

More than "skills" are needed to rock a party, and you know this... Your track selection makes you the DJ you are as well, and these cuts can be fun for the crowd if placed properly.

You want the thread closed, and you probably want their site closed, but right now you are one of their biggest promotional tools. You'd be closer to your goal if you stopped the moaning man... DJ and let others DJ, their way.


PS: Can we back to something more constructive? lol

Dude, I have nothing against you, but you have a big mouth so i gotta call you out.


"posted on 2-9-2006 at 09:20 PM Reply With Quote


Well let me know where to send the tracks too.... I have a few that I think are pretty damn good, let me know, otherwise you can check em out and download em on my myspace page.

www.myspace.com

The real difference here is FREE vs CHARGING up to $10.00 a download I believe - if you're really mad that I have a couple FREE mixed CD's on my site. I'm far from a hypocrite. You don't think I have label connections? Those 2 mixes are a few years old for a reason. I make new mixes often but they're not put up on my site because I don't have the time to clear them as fast as I make them. It's a lengthly process. Do you think I just started DJ'ing yesterday and don't know what the fuck I'm talking about? I'm not your average bedroom DJ on here that you keep putting down. That's what bothers me (if anything, cause all else I let it slide). Much like Ryme said, you've let that little fame you think you accumulated let it get to your head and put other DJ's down on this site all BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTING YOUR CAUSE.

THAT'S REAL TALK.

And Sizza. I will answer your question. First of all, stop being childish coming up with shit that has nothing to do with the argument at hand including all the name garbage. I could care less how close your "name" comes to MY REAL NAME. That's right. Sixxx is my real name. So, put that shit to rest cause it ain't gonna fly.

Second, I ain't your "homie" or your "handsome". I ain't even gay. If you are, good for you. :P

No one is on your dick, or your business. However, I do have an opinion and if you don't like it. DON'T FUCKEN COME BACK TO THIS THREAD.

It's like you have the need to clean the demons out of your closet. Be happy you're doing your thing and stop being concerned over "us little dj's". :P

The same goes to the rest that's trying to defend Sizza or the site with points that have nothing to do with the argument at hand. I respect anyone else who's expressed their view with a valid point.

It's the all mighty YOU'RE SUPPORTING US WE'LL LEAVE YOU ALONE type of shit vs THE YOU HAVE AN OPINION AGAINST US... LET'S GET 'EM! CALL THE HOMIES.

lol


lower case for your view pleasure lower case for your viewing pleasure

You do not have permission from the labels and artists to give their music out for free on your website. STOP FRONTIN'!!! The fact that you are not charging people is irrelevant. You accuse crooklyn clan of the same illegalities that you are perpetuating.

I will put up 5 grand right now against your 1 grand that you do not have the right to give out that music. We can hand the money over to a neutral party.

CRICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You and Steve "i don't make mashups" Dub, need to go write a book. I have a great title: "The Pot calling the Kettle Black."

DJ Bis,

My discussion or point of view is far from being about mash ups. If it were, I wouldn't be here. I hardly IF EVER use mash ups FROM OTHER PEOPLE. My whole point is about the validity of charging for something you may not have the rights to charge for. Simple. Really. I don't care if it's TORTILLAS you're selling. I saw something I thought was illegal and I pointed it out. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

I joined their forum because I'm not against them as many people think I am. What. Just because I have an opinion I should never join a forum? I'm NOT TRYING TO SHUT THEM DOWN. I'm far from that.

... and that's also why I don't care if I'm helping promoting them by posting on this thread and the thread stays on top. I really don't care because I'M NOT AGAINST THEM or Sizza for that matter.

....


and 215, do you even know what it takes to make a free promotion legit? Do you even know? It's a simple as a obtaining a fax or letter from a label representative stating that you're OK to promote their music AS LONG AS YOU DONT' CHARGE. Oh but wait, you must know this since you're now trying to bet ... what is it.. 5 grand? You prolly don't even have 500 to bet.

The funny thing is I was attacked and keep being attacked on a personal level just because I made my opinion known. No wonder some people are afraid to speak their mind on this forum.

:P

Yes, I know exactly what it takes and I have 5 grand that I will put up against your 1 grand that says you are illegally sharing music on your website. Either put the money up or fall back!!!

and to 215 again... There are many ways to clear a mix CD. Things are easier to clear if you're not making a profit. Simple.

Now, go through my track listing and separate the major labels from the independent labels. Now, count how many labels (from each) I actually had to contact.

You'll see that this number is not at all that big. So, do you think it's impossible?

Here's the bet. I'll bet your five grand against my five grand that I can produce a fax or letter for my 2 mix CD's if crooklyn clan can produce a fax or letter for each and every single track their selling on their site.

Deal?

and I meant, against my 1 grand. I'm poor. :P

and btw, I meant faxes or letters from my 2 mix CD's.

Sixx,

You are a joke. Please admit you are a hypocrite. You got caught in a lie just like your boy Dub. Game over.

Thanks for Playing.

oh, and e-mails. I do have a couple e-mails. One is from Lucy at Interscope.

Oh yeah. Of course is game over... as soon as you saw AGAINST EACH AND EVERY SINGLE TRACK ON CROOKLYN CLAN.


You're right. Game over with you.

and the funny thing is A-Dub doesn't even post on this site. He doesn't even own SSL. So, really, stop talking out of your ass.

New rule, I dont respond to NOBODY's. 215 is a nobody, so goodbye to this thread.

Well said Dj Ryme, and I agree.

i just read for 1 hour this thread.

1st - why would u not want established "name" djs to use the forum?? that is what is great about the forum

2nd - you guys were discussing reasonably like adults and then it went crazy profone

3rd - Sixxx - u a hip-hop guy?? i assume. in my opinion part of being Hip-hop is being "HIP". if siz is hip enough to get his stuff out there and charge that much for it then why wouldnt he. if you did this for 15 years and could i would be surprised if you wouldnt do the same, so for you to point out to everyone how unfair it is i would think is unessasary in this thread.

4th - i would never pay $4 for a downloaded mp3, but that is just me. yet i was never tempted to tell other people not to do so.

Maybe i'm getting too old but i think all this negativity doesnt help all of us as djs, it would be better to focus on what helps us then ripping each other?????????

proffesor ink,

Well said. I agree 100% with 1 and 2.

As far as 3, I ain't mad at no one especially Siz for having some business sense. That's not what this was about. At all. I gave props and keep giving props to him for doing what is doing. Serioulsy. If I questioned something, that's all it was, a question. Then, a point of view.

As far as 4, I would never pay $4 for a downloaded mp3 either and I would NEVER tell anyone not to do so either. What you do with your money is your own business.


and I agree 100% with "this negativity doesn't help all of us djs". But, you gotta stand your ground when cats like 215 start talking shit instead of discussing something like an adult.

My respects to you sir.

sixx,

keep digging your own grave homey. anyone who reads this thread will forever know that you are a liar and a hypocrite. as for your email from "lucy at interscope." the money is still on the table. my 5 grand against your 1 grand.


rhyme,

its irrelevant if i am a nobody or a somebody. your also a hypocrite and a liar. however, while sixx can bullshit about his "letters and emails", the evidence is already out on you.


remember the golden rule fellas cause sometimes karma bites you in the ass.

215, the funny thing is I don't have to prove shit to you just like crooklyn clan doesn't have to prove shit to us. I will prove it in the courts when and if it happens just like they will have to if it ever happens. Will it ever happen? Probably not, because the labels are most likely going to look the other way if they're providing a service to them.

It's simple really. Now, this is the last post to you, or that makes a reference to you since I hurt you so much. Poor baby.

oh... and I ain't your "homey".

sixx,

Lets recap, ok?

First you hijacked a thread where people were giving props to crooklyn clan so that you could insult them for being thiefs and to disparage djs who bought their mp3s.

Next you gave your website as a comparison, saying that the right thing to do is to get permission from the artists.

The reality is that you do not have permission from the artists, which you continue to lie about (although less assuredly).

And your final thought on the subject of illegal downloads is to say "the labels are most likely going to look the other way if they're providing a service to them".

Exactly. That has been the issue all along. Crooklyn Clan "provides a service" to the labels. It took you 360 posts to figure it out. Congratulations big guy. Please feel free to go back to your world of hypocracy and lies.

i feel a lock coming soon....

Since when did "hip hop" dj's become under cover RIAA agents? I thought "hip hop" dj's were true to the streets and true to the hustle. When did we start putting others on blast for "legal" reasons?

I think 215 is somebody but he just doesn't reveal himself.

Sixx, I respect your opinion but unfortunatley, your defense or opinion keeps getting weaker and weaker by every new post you make. Some points you make are invalid and contradict one another.

Oh yeah, and why would a person who uses the name "2 ILLEGAL Aliens" complain about illegality issues?

Fine, I shall mention you ONE LAST TIME only because this needs a response.

So, yes. Let's recap. OK?

First, I never hijacked a thread. I posted an opinion and people like you attacked me for having one.

Next, I have NEVER GIVEN or use my website as a comparison. Go to school. You may learn what the word comparison means.

The reality is that I DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE ARTISTS. I said, from the record labels. So, learn to read. No one contacts an artist him/herself to get a release on something. That's idiotic.

And the final thought, yes, I've said and maintained that... what's your point? It's true. But, once again, is all about free vs charging.

No one ever denied or denies that Croklyn Clan is or is not providing a service to labels. All I asked is if it was legal SINCE THEY'RE CHARGING.

Happy now? Honestly dude. Go to school and learn to read, but most importantly, comprehend. And finally, don't put words in my mouth.

Let's see what you come back with next. Or can you just let it go?

I'm not playing undercover RIAA agent. I just have an opinion and that's all. It's good if some points contradict each other in your eyes.. that's where perspective comes from.

and now you're questioning why 2illegalaliens? Because both a-dub and I were illegal at one time. Simple really. We are both Mexican born. So, the name worked.

Now we're both U.S. citizens if you must know, or care.

Not bad for someone who's second language is actually English, huh? lol

and I meant whose... not who's hahahahhaha.

note to self: hit preview.

I'm Mexican as well, therefore I figured that's where you were coming from with the name "2illegalaliens".

So if you broke the law as an illegal at one point, then why are you so critical about the legalities of music? After all, the illegal issue is what your concerned about?

Let's just agree to disagree. lol.

Time to use valuable work time to browse the Vault again. See ya!

Oh... and stop snitching, as hip hop artists would say.

LOL, too bad we can't surf the vault forum anymore, now I'm stuck here :(

You are a joke. Anyone who takes the time to read through this thread doesnt need me to say anything else. Your arguments are laughable when they are even comprehendable. You do not have permission from the artists or labels. If you did, you would have accepted my bet the moment i offered it to you. It still stands by the way.

I would tell you to stop posting before you make things worse, but that moment has long since passed.

If you must really know my whole story, here it is. I came legally to this country with a passport. So, techinically, I never broke the law. I got a job and became a citizen because amnesty laws allowed it. Now, I'm not going to lie and say I've never broken the law or whatever. But, that's my story. The name 2illegalaliens is catchy. Is a marketing move.

I accepted your bet. You produce prove for every track in the vault and we can meet anywhere you want to show and prove.

and I meant proof. Damn English as a second language. hahaha

Ya see, most dj's would be like that you are probably right but you are mistaken i do NOT look down on anyone im a dj's dj. Thats why for YEARS i was giving other dj's i didnt even know my mash up's.. For years I been a tech support number for tooo many dj's to mention. I guess im just a people person what can i say. As for how much time i spend working, the results are evident. Word of advice just my opinion, NEVER look at yourself as a little person. Women hate men without confidence ;-)

WOW NOW THAT'S INTERNET GANGSTA HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sixx come to Brooklyn, McDonald's my treat.

hahhahaahahhahahhahhaaahahah

one of the best ive read on this forum in a long time.

wow...

So which one is it sixx? First you say you were illegal, now you say you came here legally? Make up your mind, what else have you lied to us about.

And then you lie by claiming you're "illegal" so you can use it as a marketing tool? You're so dishonest I can't believe you, mr. sixx or 2 legal or illegal aliens who uses terms giving to foriengers who enter our country illegally as a marketing tool.

lol, now i'm kind of glad users on this forum can't edit their posts, because it gives people a chance to catch others telling lies!

BurN BABY BurN!!!!

that was hall of fame material... exposing a lie like that makes you look internet wanksta-ish. I'm not calling him a wanksta... I'm just saying... wanksta-ish.

wow, simply wow.

Now you're attacking me for using the word illegal in 2illegalaliens? hahahaha

Let me humor you once again.

In the U.S., when you cross the border ILLEGALLY, you're an illegal alien. However, you can cross the border legally with a passport but this passport doesn't entitle you to work in the U.S. It's not a work permit. I worked, illegally, in order to get amnesty. So, yeah. illegalalien.

Get it now?

So, yeah. illegal alien. Now, my boy a-dub came illegally and became a U.S. citizen. We both did.

Now, we're both citizens of this country with a name that doesn't apply to us anymore, yet we still use for marketing purposes. People love it. So, yeah.

Question for sixxx.


Dont know that once you feed the trolls they lose their fear of humans?

CMOS, true.

*hides the troll food*

Ok, so you worked here illegally, hence you broke the law.

I'm not attacking you, I'm merely stating my opinions. I'm also trying to point out the reasons for your posts are because of legal issues, when in fact you have broken laws yourself.

Therefore you do not have the right to judge others on legal matters becuase you yourself are a law breaker.

And keep in mind that you've yet to prove that the service that crooklyn clan provides is "illegal".

Just so you know, I was being sarcastic about the whole illegal alien term issue. I guess next time I shall make more obvious.

and yes KarrsiN.... I thought I've pointed out that I've broken the law quite a few times. lol

I'm not judging anyone as I'm not perfect. I stated my opinion as well.

I'm not here to prove that their service is illegal or not. I'm not out to lynch anyone. I'm not here to tell people not to go buy their mp3's.

I've said this quite a few times now, and once again, I even GAVE THEM PROPS... Geez.

and I'm not mad at you or anyone. Thanks for expressing your point of view.

DAMN IT! and here you made me explain myself. hahahaha

Props on that one.

Fair enough!

I like cookies. I'm the Cookie Monster. Plus, I use questionably legal mash-ups.

I'm SCCAAAAAAARRRRRRRREEEEEEEEDDDDDD!!!!!!!!

My cat's name is mittens.

"I like french fries... with mustard on it!"

"SHEWWW!!"

"Some call it a cotter blade... mm-hmm!"

I'm not related to Crooklyn Clan and I don't work for them and I apologize if I opened up the doors for a mega battle by starting this thread. They don't know me, and I don't know them personally. I probably posted too quickly when I started this thread and didn't even realize I was "advertising" for a website, or at least wasn't paying close enough attention to the forum rules. Bottom line, their site is DEF not for everyone, but it helps a lot of people who use Serato out and I felt it was without a doubt important information, at the time, to let people that use Serato know about their site. After all, if it weren't important, would there really be a thread that's going on 400 posts to it? There's no right or wrong answer about the pricing, the quality of every track on there, the complete legality or anything else in regards to the site. Like Siz said, you don't like it, don't go to it, don't buy from them. Some people should save their time arguing about stuff that will never be resolved and put it towards their creative abilities as a DJ to make themselves better than they already are. Everyone on here should respect the next man's hustle, as long as it's not hurting them in any way, even if they don't fully agree with everything about it.

well, said ditc. Props

Lol, you're correct.



Sizza, you obviously lied here. This will question anything you are saying in this thread, incl. statements about how legal your work is. Sorry to say this. Just the fact that you have shut down the forum shows that there were illegal activities going on. BEsides this, at least on of your adminstrators (I forgot who it was) publicly asked for files on the boards, files/tracks which he doesnt have. Guys who would send such files would get a reward (not further specified, I assume some crookly clan "credits"... Wait, can you give credits when you dont sell and only donate? ;) ).



Not hiding. But why not call it by the name? People are PAYING for the tracks. They are buying it. You are selling them. Period. No donation crap. If you are so sure that you are on the legal side of things, why not calling it by the name?? PAYING, BUYING, SELLING. Not donation.



dj Karrsin, do you actually ever heard the term "law"? It has something to do with what is legal and what not. If you do a mashup and give it to your friend, not sure how legal it is. If you sell it, thats a whole different thing.



djdarylo, you dont seem to understand the arguments anyway, so who cares that you disagree with whoever here?



DJ Mac, we all used to copy music tapes back in the days. The difference is the internet. With one upload you can reach millions of people - doing severe damage. I think this makes a big difference. (BTW, I still find your post contributing).



Me too :)



Sixx,Absolutely.

As said before, there were even posts from the administrators actally asking for tracks. I know, that you guys from crooklyn clan must have thousands and thousands of vinyl, but you should not post such stuff on a public open board. People who dont have any background knowledge (upcoming DJs) might think this is an absolutely legit way of getting music.



That makes a big difference, DJ MAC. Its not the DJs paying for (probably illegal stuff, where the owner of the original work does not know that it is being sold) its the label actually paying for it to get promotion. You bet that it is legal.



dj solomon, you are right, good point. But I have never heard anyone from such a pool telling me "hey, we are not selling those vinyls, you are donating". crooklynclan is actually lieing about this.



Agreeing with sixxx. I also have some crooklynclan vinyls at home. Nobody is saying their stuff is crap, thats very subjective anyway.



dj KarrsiN, I wont support you breaking any laws. Period. And please stop being so naive.



DJ BIS, I disagree. Its not all black and white. He might find some discussion on that board interesting.



215, no one hijacked this thread. This is a thread about "crooklyn clan", mind the topic. Obviously its about their website/shop. Thats exactly what this discussion is about. So no one is hijacking.


If you are able to say this, 215, (you are not questioning the legality you are stating that sixx does not have the rights) then I could easily say, crooklyclan does not have permissions. Right.



dj KarrsiN, what? ... Just because I/we spin hip hop we are all gangsters and thugs breaking laws all the time? C'mon.



dj KarrsiN, are you kidding us (readers of this thread)? You are calling sixx out cause of his crew name? Thats as stupid as making assumptions that you are a muppet baby, cause your names sounds like it came from a muppet puppet doll.


Please, keep your kindergarden arguments for yourself. Grown ups are talking now ;)

I heard somebody yellin "peanuts" and "popcorns"... KAGEN!!! me want some!!!

Man you guys need to go out and get some gigs.

I'm with Notorious,,,, It's a friday nite. I just got home from my gig. Looks like other dudes on here are putting in work writing a thesis and taking perhaps slightly too much time to try and prove a point instead of being out making that cheddar and doing what they love the most...

true ditc...i just got in from my gig too...just play good music...btw, i think i played 2 or 3 crooklyn clan records tonight...and i'm not ashamed. and i had fun...goodnight.

i tried to read thru this post but theres just too much to talk bout the only comment i did want to make is i was on the vault and now im not on it anymore so speakin for myself personally ive seen both sides of the spectrum and the one thing i learned thru the time i got tight wit sizz was that he is an outright fan! this dude would come to spots i was djin at grab the mic and just show love,soo for the people telling him hes to much of a big time dj to post is absurd....

this dude would help me and many other djs at like 5 am when i was havin comp troubles or anything for that matter never hesisated to extend a hand to any dj soo for anyone passin judgement on his character and personality BELIEVE he is a stand up guy

im not only sayin this cause he is my boy either,but i always looked up to him and riz and when i finally met them and saw how they were it blew my mind.....outright these mutha fuckas LIVE and BREATHE djing,

i think alot of djs got to comfortable wit serato and totally forgot bout spendin 200 plus bucks on vinyl and now people are bitching about payin 4.99 a mashup? and payin 10 bucks for riz live from brooklyn ? u go sit in ur room and splice together a MASTERPIECE like that then maybe ull realize why the shits 10 bucks duke...

i still cant believe this topic has even hit 300 plus when it all comes down to " to buy or not to buy "
keep doin ur thingg sizz! after this post hits 400 plus replies ull be able to put 24's on ur shit hahahaha

WORD Klutch

I've had the same experience with siz... one of the nicest djs (and people for that matter) you'll meet, super down to help a hommie in need, esp when it comes to music!

I find sometimes its hard to read people through these forums... but SIZ IS GOOD PEOPLES!

Perhaps you haven't noticed that not all of us are in the same time zone.



It doesn't take much to prove a point if you're competent. Writing a thesis doesn't require much skill either.

Exactly, dj KarrsiN. When I posted, I just came home from a gig.


Your argument makes no sense. As I told you before I bought two copies of the vinyl. TWO. I sometimes even buy 4 copies of a vinyl. However, I dont mind paying for a vinyl. But paying double the price for a mp3, which means not having the original vinyl, not having a good uncompressed audio file (its still a mp3) is just outrageous, esp. if you consider the artist/dj is getting paid directly, no cuts for the dealer in between etc. which means they see I assume 100% of the sold price, instead just of a fraction from vinyl sales. In other words, they have a lot less costs. However, the prices are their things. I just find it unfair for the DJs supporting them from day one. But thats just my personal opinion about the prices.

Live from brookly is a masterpiece, well thought, well done, no diggy.

I cant comment on how siz is in real life, judging from his posts it seems to be in line with what you have said, a nice guy. However, I dont think this is the point we are discussing.

4:24 am and just got home from the club... so yeah.

Anyway, once again. As nik39 stated, this isn't about Sizz being a good guy in person or not. Or how many times he helped you out or not.

and I would say more but I need to hit the fuckin' sack.

You all are a bunch of monkies... my internet pet monkies.

If any of you agree or disagree with the internet operations of Crooklyn Clan, you're doing a splendiferous job of benefiting their Google rankings.

Sizzahandz is a fucking sick DJ!! ive seen him live a couple times and he truly inspires me. Get off his back mofos YOU KNOW NOTHING!

Hey I saw that monkey video, great stuff. "you're all a bunch of monkeys, praising other monkeys!" LOL "Dance Monkeys, Dance!"

I am in fact a monkey.

monitotm.2illegalaliens.com

:P

No one is on sizzahandz back. We're not questioning him as a person or his ability as a DJ. If you don't have something to add the the actual discussion at hand, then don't. Then again, you are entitled to your opinion. So, go right ahead. :P

If he's in fact a dope DJ (have never seen him), I would be the first to say, mad respect. I love my fellow turntablists who can lay it down.

and finally, I have listened to a few of his mash ups that I thought were good. So, yeah, he's skilled in that department as well. Once again, no one is or was questioning that.


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CHECK THIS: Forget that this is about Crooklyn Clan at all. Instead, think of it this way, for the sake of argument or discussion.

I'm quoting Matt G and deleting the name Crooklyn Clan.

"The question with [any] website is whether or not they have permission to distribute the music. And the next question would be would the labels care anyway."


Or better yet, once you create a mash up, remix or anything of that sort, does that give you the right to (re)sell it?


Notice how this could pertain to any person and/or site on the web.

Sizzahandz ya dont stop! yo bro anyway you can lace me with that be faithful acapella? i will be in debt to you for life! im damn near homeless droppin my rent loot on your blends! you,chachi and riz are not human! hook a brother up! bk for life!

flat out the work that RIZ and SIZZAHANSZ sell are THERE RECORDINGS! they put in there work time and effort to make, if they feel a particular track should cost 10 bucks then thats what they feel....u cant expect them to give back to every dj who supported them the reason u supported them was cause there product is hot
when i was on the site i felt a few of my tracks should of cost more then others but they have soo many more years experience and everything else over me who the hell am i to tell them what there doin wrong or right for that matter

its like crack in the 80's u got ur 4.99 vinyl including 4 to 6 tracks on it back in the day.... now that ur hooked its time to pay up lol

Selling vs. giving it away for free. As donations are mandatory, it is selling. Selling.

its there product homie let them sell watever the hell they want why is this ur concern? they could sell lil gypsy children on there site let the people who deal wit gypsy children handle it if there selling illegal music let the people who deal wit sellin illegal music handle it

lol@ selling lil gypsy children.

Why they gotta be gypsy though. All this prejudism is killing me!

:P

lol i just watched borat im on a gypsy kick hahaha

Can I sell monkeys?

I do... in the form of t-shirts. hahahaha

I would post a link but don't wanna break one of the forum rules.

Following your arguement.. whats your point about me complaining about their website? Following your arguement, let me complain. Whoever wants to read this, will read it and handle it. Why are you then concerned about me rambling?

You have the right to be concerned. But that means your arguement is flaky.

Here's a question.... How can we as DJ's lawfully accept money for a service that deals in the unlicensed broadcast of copywriten material. I've seen many posts in this forum dicussing the proper amount of money to charge for DJ services. That in itself could be considered, illegal. Yet it is a grey area that artists and record companies alike choose to ignore. Much like the Mash-Up/Blend artists in the game today.

I guarantee Sizz has made more money for artists than any of us have through his radio show. ASCAP and other music royalty collection companies are responsible for making sure the proper funds are being allocated to artists for the licensed play of their intellectual property. Since radio is a licensed regulated media I feel that it is possible that some funds have made thier way to artists because of The Crooklyn Clan.

So unless your paying in to ASCAP every month I guess you can say your stealing from the artist just by being in the DJ profession. Artist make more money from publishing and touring that they do from CD sales. I agree the three are linked but when it all come out in the wash Dj's making and selling mash-ups cost the artist less than the thousands of DJ's charging people to listen to them play unlicensed broadcasts of someone else's intellectual property on a nightly basis.

Our entire profession is boarder-line criminal so lay off Sizz and the Clan for thier opperations in our grey area.

Biyaaah

ROFLOLOLOL! Coffee on the keyboard....

Start a new thread and we shall answer your question.

No, I wrote the above comments because i feel they pertain to this thread. I feel my views go hand in hand with the question of The Crooklyn Clan profiting off artists with out legal licensing of the artists intellectual property.

sixx, you are the absolute LAST person who should be answering legal questions.

g.i.b. is right. the truth is that copyright laws technically require that anyone who gives a live performance have the consent of the copyright owner. djing falls under this category. so again, the hypocracy of fools like Sixx and Nik is unquestonable.

this argument has been beat to death, along with the credibility and character of certain lame dudes with opinions.

I really think it's another whole can-o-worms. I see your point Notorious G.I.B. but I also think this thread has ran its course.

Btw, there are such things as DJ licenses that can be obtained that will allow you to play music during/for public performances. Clubs have those, so the DJ's no need to get them. If you're mobile, you can obtain one as well.

I don't think there's anything out there (license or otherwise) right now that will allow you to make a mash up or remix a record and resell it. You know what I mean? Some kind of license that you can buy that will allow you per say, make 100 mash ups and resell them.

and from what I heard, they're very strict about this license in Germany. nik39 may be able to fill us in on that since he's from Germany.

Quote,

"Radio stations, Webcasters, and even Satellite Radio providers who broadcast music and other copyrighted audio works DO pay for the music they play or stream.

Terrestrial Radio Stations

Traditional radio stations pay royalty fees for this right. These fees are paid to either ASCAP (The American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers), BMI (Broadcast Musicians Incorporated) or SESAC (Society of European Stage Authors and Composers).

I'm a club DJ and a radio mix show DJ, so those fees don't come out of my pocket... but are paid. So, yes, the radio stations do get their stuff.

Now, like I said, mobiles can get a license too. The next question might be, do I have one? Absolutely fucken not. I don't do enough mobiles a year to be worth the money of getting one. I'm first and foremost a radio mixshow/club DJ. For those people who do weddings/events every week and are only mobile businesses, they probably do have one or should get one.

So, I'm sure one of you will say, well, you're doing something illegal then... stop talking about this and that. Like I said before, I have never said that I'm legit 100% of the time in my entire life. Still doesn't make making a mash-up and reselling it legal which is once again, the discussion here.

Like I said before I belive we all, in one way or another, opperate within the grey area of laws concerning the music industry.

Weather it be: downloading "PROMO" Mp3's, copying Cd's from a friend, making and selling mix tapes, making and selling mash-ups, buying Mp3's off iTunes then burning a CD and re-uploading it back into your computer to get around the security protection, and even charging the general public 5 to 20 bucks to hear what we feel constitutes "good" music.

We opperate in the grey, so let us not cast the bright light of accusation upon our fellow DJ's, let us walk together, in the shadows.

*shoots himself in the head*

DAMN, this thread deteriorated fast - it started off as just an intelligent discussion and then went "internet gangster".

BOTTOM LINE . . . if the labels have a problem they will issue Crooklyn Clan with a "Cease and Desist" order for the individual works that they have a problem with - Siz has already said he would then take those individual works straight off the site.

END OF STORY!

If the cease and desist order (which has not been issued) is complied with then there is no case to answer and no-ones getting sued!

And believe me it won't ever come to this - the labels would be loving the Crooklyn Clan right now. Remember "Be Faithful" was a mashup that became so popular that it came to the attention of Universal Music - because it was using "Love Like This" from Faith Evans and also sampled that old Black Sheep track (which I think was Polygram Records off memory). Did Universal sue AV8 or Crooklyn Clan? HELL NOOOOOOOOO . . . they signed them up and released the record legally through Mercury Records in 2003. So I've got my AV8 copy that I was playing in Australia in 1999 and then I have my picture cover copy through Mercury Records and Def Jam UK from 2003.

Let's finish this debate here!

I agree.

Hey siz... how many units of be faithful did u guys sell worldwide legally? If you can disclose that info?

I think this is a great point... "Be Faithful" rejuvenated a bunch of old tracks and arguably made Faith Evans "love like this", black sheep "this or that", Chic "chic cheer", Naughty By Nature "hip hop horray" and evertyhing else they sampled much bigger and more recognizable tracks....

I think Be Faithful could be called the most successful mashup ever and i really think we can look at that as the model with which to "sell" or "distribute" mashes in general.

whether you are buying wax or digital copy, its all the same idea... mashes help the industry promote new and old music!

215, look, behave like a mature man. You are one of the reasons why this thread is detoriating with your needless name calling and pointless arguements. No one gives a shit if you place 5grands on anything, and no one cares actually if you call x or y an idiot or fool, hypocrit or whatever. So easy on that, *please*.


That "fool" sixx is right. There exists such a license. In the states you are paying ASCAP, BMI fees, in Germany you pay GEMA fees. Thats it. After paying those fees you are legally allowed to play music from artists who are covered by GEMA (which covers about 99.99% of the music) in the public, regardless of whether you charge entrance fee or not, and regardless of the amount of that fee. Usually club owners *must* pay this kind of GEMA-fee, AFAIK thats the same in the states. In Germany DJ's know not to eff with GEMA, they are known to be very strict. Don't play with the GEMA, they are known to chop your head easily.


Seems like everything that needed to be said has been said. Lets finish this debate.

GUYS THIS IS OUT OF CONTROL ALREADY!! Man this is getting bannanas. Listen, for the millionth time, if it is not your job to police what's legal and what's not, why in the good lord's name are you concerned with it? I spend on average between 45 minutes to 2 hours making a mash up. If you pay 4.99 for that mash up I just made less than a god damn Mcdonalds employee for my time. You really in your heart feel that getting a jump out of your crowd is not worth 4.99 then you should keep it movin man. Im sooooo not a beefin dude and this whole shit is really making me feel like i'm doing something wrong when my intention from day ONE with these remixes was provide a service for my fellow dj's. I don't know why what i do offends some of you like it does, especially when you are not someone that should have any concern with it. Now someone above called me a liar about my forum or something i dont remember and im not going back up this dog shit ladder to find and quote it. Truth is I made that forum with nothing but good intention. I made it to connect the people that support the site, and allow the artist's on the site and the dj's to get to know one another on a personal level. When someone told me that a law was broken, I didnt even look, i just shut the forum down cuz i truthfully do not have enough time in my day to keep it on the up and up. My biggest problem is that i expect everyone in the world to think like i do and just DO THE RIGHT THING ALL THE TIME. I keep finding out how shady the human race is by nature TIME AND TIME AGAIN. The forum is gone and is not coming back. Im sure some of you wish the Vault away as well, WHY I DONT KNOW, but keep wishing and soon your dreams will come true and many dj's that DO LOVE US, and are happy with the service we provide will have to suffer because of a couple of haters. As far as legalities are concerned, let's really take a look at the game since day one. So much great music has been released on bootleg becuase there simply is NO BUDGET to clear sample heavy material that's made predominantly for DJ'S. I never claimed to have permission to remix the music that i do, i simply stated that we are a "grey area" meaning that the people that DO crack down on this kind of thing have not bothered us. For the peanuts we make doing this, it would be senseless for them to shut down an elite group of well known people in the music industry that keep their music HOT. Don't Stop Believing by Journey is a nightclub mega hit and it's 2006. Do you think we might have something to do with that? I say we really put this thread to rest already, as the conversation is completely dragged out and just needs to stop. I hate negativity and this thread is making me feel negative about things that I do and consider to be positive. We are all dj's, let's just be dj's and everyone do you. God Bless you all.

So following that logic, if I buy $10 Lil Jon CD, means I paid him... lets do the maths, it took him at least 20 hours (maybe less ? ;) ) to do all the stuff, that I paid him $50 cent per hours? You are (hopefully...) not only selling one copy per track :)





Earlier you said...

That is called a lie. At least unless your name is Bush or Clinton and you dont call a blowjob a sexual act. ;-)

I just wanted to justify my words.

Anyway, we all fu*k up from time to time. Sh!t happens.

Man, y'all buggin. Let's be clear about a few things.

First off, I personally own (bought on vinyl), Be Faithful. I think I own about 3 or 4 AV8/Crooklyn Clan joints to be truthful. The Quiet Storm beat, The Busta Rhymes one, (forgot the beat), and The Franklynz. So in essence, I've supported you guys to an extent.

What's funny is that I've always hated when DJ's played those "Bits and Pieces" joints back in the day because I've always thougth of it as "cheating".

Now here comes the Franklynz. It's getting blown up because Funkmaster Flex and errybody else is playing the shit on the radio. Now, we ALL know some samples pertaining to that record MIGHT not have been cleared, but it was played anyway. Now the record has taken on a LIFE OF IT'S OWN. It seems like it's no longer a REMIX but a NEW SONG. Unbelieveable. So, it gets rocked on a daily basis. That was one of those joints you couldn't get away from.

Now, it's POPULARITY doesn't change the fact that it was probably created and distributed illegally. (I had to pay for it.)

Did I buy it? HELL YEAH. Did it help promote Fatman Scoop? Hell yeah! Did it help promote FAITH? HELL YEAH.

The real question is DID IT HELP PROMOTE CHIC, (sampled from Chic Cheer?)....who knows?
Did they get a check from Faith? PROBABLY....
Did they get a check from Crooklyn Clan? Probably not.

I for one, real only try and play regular songs, and will remix shit on the fly. But a REMIXED song that has taken on a LIFE OF IT'S OWN, can't be ignored.

So to be clear...

LEGALLY.

Remixing a song, and asking for a donation of your "time", is a big loophole. You're selling the remix. You should be PAID for it if you are truly cleared to distribute it. PERIOD.

The labels may look the other way because in the LONG RUN, yes you are helping older artists and such, but not going thru the red tape to clear stuff in the beginning? WHY? BECAUSE INSTEAD OF IT TAKING 90MINUTES TO 2HOURS to create a mix and distribute it, you'll then be HUNG UP in the red tape process of clearing, gettimg royalties right, etc..etc..for a REMIX THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN MAKE THAT MUCH MONEY....

What are the precentages of songs that are distributed on your site that have BLOWN UP, like BE FAITHFUL, OR THE FRANKLYNZ?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a FAN and can RESPECT YOUR WORK, AND HAVE SUPPORTED YOU, but it IS WHAT IT IS.

And that is WHO YOU KNOW....

One last thing while I've got the floor...

I'd say you're able to get away with what you're doing, and I RESPECT YOUR HUSTLE, but you just haven't run into the right Muhfuggah with some DOUGH, that doesn't give a damn about you "Promoting" him or not...

For example, Prince. I'm not sure what his stance is TODAY, but back in the day, you'd NEVER clear a Prince sample. And don't make an illegal one, he'd run dat azz outta bizznizz.

Now take someone like MICHAEL JACKSON, I'm sure he'd LOVE for Billie Jean to make a comeback, and I SHUDDER at the thought of HIM AND JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE getting together to do YOUR REMIX LIVE. Justin prolly won't care, cuz his shit is #1 NOW ANYWAY, so he'll take all the FREE publicity he can GET. Mike is BROKE, and trying to RE-RELEASE a version of Thriller, so what could be better.

Now imagine them CAKING OFFA YOUR REMIX, and you not getting any sort of credit because you were doing something you weren't cleared to do in the first place...

You'd just have to charge it to the game.

But it IS what it is.

BTW, I haven't heard a MASHUP using Good Times yet...LOL.

AND ONE LAST THING! Remember REMIXES used to ONLY be able to be HEARD on the radio. Period. Remember those old KISS MASTER MIXES by Shep Pettibone? The thing is THEY GOT SOO POPULAR, that PRELUDE actually RE-LEASED the Kiss Mastermixes, obviously under their own label....

That's TECHNICALLY how you're supposed to do it, and Shep was credited with "Putting in the time".

don't get rid of the vault

NOTHING BEATS SERATO, I totally feel this way it's the best invention since sliced bread without a doubt, but someone is telling me about another product and swearing that this product is the sliced bread, the peanut butter, and the jam. The person telling me is a reputable dj in the game but out of respect for Serato I will not mention his name, and the product he speaks of is a 4 letter word beginning with the letter T. I was wondering if anyone knows what im talking about and has any knowledge of the workings of this program.

There are tons of other threads starting with "T" and ending with "orq". You should really search this forum, a lots of Torq information is already available here as well. Dont try to detract us from the original topic of this thread. ;)

scratchlive.net <- click. A lot of Torq information.

LMAO @ this thread making a LEFT, then a hard RIGHT....

Man, get ya hustle on...that's the name of the game.

(LMAO) I thought I was the only one who noticed. Good shit! Best move, since the damn thread turned Politics and BullShit/Hatoration.

Nice move Siz!

Mods - can this thread PLEASE be closed. It no longer has ANYthing to do with DJing, Scratch Live, or even DJing for that matter.

sorry, I meant "music" instead of the second "DJing"

gz, you didnt read the previous posts, properly, did you? It has a lot to do with music and DJ'ing. Just b/c you dont agree with some peoples opinion doesnt mean this thread should be closed.

Not true. It started off about music, but very few of the past 100 posts or so have really been about the music. They're more about the whole issue of laws revolving file sharing.

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HAMMERTIME! :)

They are not sharing text documents, its music. And this has nothing to do with music?

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(I think a few people missed the "off ramp"!)

it should've been closed when it just turned into flaming between sixx & sizz... but now that it's back to music-related issues... it's all good.

when ur a nobody (sixxx), i think its hard to get people on ur side by bring in comments from the 'elementary school yard' - like the word 'gay'.

Honestly, I dont know how many times in the past 6 years (15 year career) that I've played a Crklyn Clan record - Numerous times, from NYC to Vegas to Spain

Something from them gets played atleast once from me....

Big Shouts to Riz & Sizz -

DJ WILLIE
www.djwillie.com

No doubt!! Props to Sizz for blessing us with "Mash Your Body". That Marvin Gaye acapella goes perfect with that classic house track. Keep them classic house mashups coming!!!!!

i could be wrong, but didn't crooklyn clan make that where the ladies at track with the foxy brown get you home beat... they were the first people i heard to turn a hip hop beat to a reggae beat. remember that? that was a big step for breaks, after that everyone - even i flipped hip hop breaks to reggae ones. you guys are an inspiration no doubt. some people have no respect. thank you sizz for helping the dj community. in fact i got some breaks for you to add to the vault. holla! they are really hot. hahahah

I had some pancakes for breakfast this morning. Delicious!

Me 2...I finally found "Tan Coolie" hidden gem in The Vault.
Siz, keep doing your thing. Keep reaching for the next level. Inspiration is what keeps me stepping up my game.

The new ish on there is CRAZY! The Mash Up Mafia is on point with their stuff! WOW!

Siz......funny thing is the artist original pella's that you use on your mash ups have more than likely heard the cuts that you guys have mixed while they were in a club somewhere...they think to themselves...damn that shit is on point, "how can we fucking worry about legalities when that mix is hotter than my original."...HOLY SHIT! lol, just a little humor! I just want to say and I have said it before...KEEP ON DOIN' WHAT YOUR DOIN'. If it comes down to it and you have to shut your site down I'll just send you a line and find out how I can get my "MASH" fix from you guys w/o the whole world gettin' in my buisness and keepin' the naysayers off my DICK and YOURS! peace.........

Hahaha I love you guys, and im glad you are feeling my work. That Marv Gaye joint I did had me dancing around my living room when i was makin it myself, totally feeling the good old classic house vibes my dudes. Any suggestions for another classic house goodie to rip up im all ears. Nik, you have to be one of the most annoying people i've ever had to read. I'm glad i don't have the displeasure of knowing you personally, im sure you are even more of a douche bag in person. I can't believe you can't let this rest. I'm changing the subject because this is a Serato forum, not a "My name is Nik the disgruntled $200 a night dj that hates anyone else doing something positive" forum.. On a brighter note, I'm glad you guys are feeling Mash Up Mafia, those dudes are the purest talent i've found in the Boston area. Really great people, music lovers like us, and hard working dj's that grind it out. You will be hearing much more from them. I just want to thank everyone that has supported us, and our works for the past 12 years. We have always been dj's dj's as i've said numerous times before. Just think, if we all hated eachother the promoters would control the universe! The day dj's decide to stop worrying about which of us is doing more than the other, or hating on eachother's games, is the day that we will really, truely be able to call the shots with the clubs and promoters and get the love we honestly deserve. The importance of a dj has been forgotten for a long time in this business, and i think that's wack. Let's chill and smoke a fattie one of these days guys ok! Our mixed cd is available on the site free of donation. Go to the site and download it everyone and enjoy it. Happy belated Thanksgiving..

wow this is crazy big ups to all creative peeps

i always wanted to start a dj union... Siz...u wanna be the president?

Sizz, dont be offended cause I caught you lieing. :)
And no need to diss cause I pointed out that you are working in a ... "grey area" and fooling people with that nice oh nice "donation"-crap. Just because you cant be honest you shouldnt be mad about others.

Word

Siz...You put together the craziest mashes anyone can imagine. I remember listening to the show on 103.5 while I would be driving south on the Henry Hudson Parkway....it was the best music to listen to at that time of night. I would be flying at like 80 mph just listening to the skills.

Just the other night I heard Spinbad using tracks from vault on his 7:00pm Mix. Now, I know that you guys are friends with one another...But based on what you said earlier...it is clear that labels do not care as much as people think. The mere fact that the tracks were being played on the radio proves a big point. If the labels did in fact care, they would be flipping at the managers of Z100...telling them never to play the mixes ever again. Obviously that doesn't happen. BTW...this is in NYC and Z100 is probably the top radio station in the country for the demographic they target.

All In All...Keep up the work...I respect what you do.

Nik39 is annoying holy shit that dude needs to get laid badly and i mean badly. Sixx is a major biter too. Sizz is my man i will back him anyday and no im not fanboying on siz i can relate to him alot and feel what he is saying and i give him mad props and i cant stand when ppl mess with other ppl on this fourm.

anyway i dont care anymore fuck this shit. this is my last post on this toliet and ill have to say is im looking foward to rocking with the crooklyn clan in the future.

let Djs unite and spread music to all and Ed maybe alot of ppl dont know but you truly are the fucking man.

amen,

DJC

To quote you DJC:


Yeah rrright. Sounds more like....

... not sixxx, but you are the biter.

Lets end this crap with another quote from you:

LMAO! Man nik39, you are something else. I guess I can respect him JUST A LITTLE BIT for sticking to his guns. And y'all KNOW he tried to get a me when I first came thru. But we're at a time in this thread where it's OBVIOUS what's really real here....

Are those Crooklyn Clan mashes illegal? DEFINATELY! Only because they're not being distributed for free. Skip all that "paying the DJ for their remix time", because technically, you're creating something you LEGALLY have no business doing in the first place.

Now, will I BUY a Crooklyn Clan joint, if it's truly taken on a life of it's own? DEFINATELY! (On vinyl ONLY)...

Would I download a Crooklyn Clan joint? DEFINATELY! Would I pay for it? HELL NO! LMAO! But I'm keepin' it real!

Technically, we're all doing what Crooklyn Clan has been doing FOR YEARS! And by that, I mean, selling a MIX TAPE/CD's. As soon as we've done that, we're selling something that isn't ours, unless we aquired permission to sell it from the owners.

How many of us REALLY DO THAT? Nil to none! So we're all guilty.

I've personally created mixes that you would only hear at my parties, kinda like that DJ that had an EXCLUSIVE MIX, where you would ONLY hear it at their parties...

Now the ability for a "DJ" to put on a PREMIXED RECORD and create the same effect that I can by doing it MANUALLY gives the impression that the "DJ" is cheating....but we all cheat in some respect...If you've used a BREAKBEAT vs. the ORIGINAL, you're TECHNICALLY cheating....right?

So let's all agree to disagree...or unite together to DEMAND that all record companies step up their vinyl releases! Other than that, we'll be in a technological arena that easily allows copyright infringement.

Yeah... kissy kissy ass kissy.

lol :P

*takes out the scooby snacks*

Ouch, DJC... That stings a lil. lol

I think it would be amazing to settle it with a "Live Battle Mix"...2 tables...serato or vinyl...Your Choice

Each DJ lays down their hottest fire...not pre-recorded mashes...all live...they have the option to say whatever they want...prove their skills...let the forum be the judge. I'm hoping that someone will lay down some drops....totally dissing someone in the process.

I want it to be like....Oh Shit!!!!! No he Didn't!

Siz...I have heard you live...I know your capabilities...enuf said bout that...We know you are busy....But...if you have time...it would be sick.

But...as for:

Nik...I don't know where you are from...i dont know what language you speak...you seem to know alot based on the fact that you post more than anyone else....I would like to hear your cabilities (i'm sure a lot of people would agree). You are really good at finding people's quotes throughout this entire forum.....so why not put together a bunch of lyrics from different vinyl and make a wicked mix of whatever comes to mind.

Sixxx---Same for you...I dont care about your mixes on your website and labels you had to clear it with...I would like to hear your skills. See what you and your buddy can come up with.


Ultimately, I feel like this could turn into a Royale Rumble/ Tag Team Event.

What does everyone else think?

No offense to anyone here...but this is an idea...I know i don't say much on the entire forum...so don't even try to come back at me with something...my feelings wont get hurt. Also...if you do this live mix thing...give us the link...cuz i'm sure a lot of people would like to hear it. Who knows...maybe you will get famous for it.

BTW---is Riz on this forum? If so...I have heard that he is fast as ****.....and i would like to hear it live. Not like i don't beleive it...but I've been told numerous times to see him live but haven't had the chance to.

^^^that would be dope^^^

And yeah, Riz is nasty as hell, just like Siz. Peeped them both live and they really rock the house.

Bigforty4, that is WHAT'S UP! Bringin' it back to the roots! I'd say 2 Turntables and a Mixer, NO SERATO!

Now THIS^^^ I'd pay to download....lmao!

I would pay to download it too. We should get steve jobs to back this thing and put it on itunes for 99cents. <<<---Like that would happen in a million years.....

I fugure that a couple hundred thousand people would download it

If we really wanted to get sophisticated....we could put it free as a podcast, make a video so that people see you are acutally doing it live.

In all honesty though....I love Apple and their products. You would figure that they would go back to their old style of commercials...like with Will Ferrel...and how he says...Im Will Ferrel and I'm an actor...BUT....In This Case...why not use some big time DJ....(Like Jazzy Jeff or AM) put him against a white background...make some crazy remix....tons of crabs, scratches...etc...and be like "I'M DJ ------, and I USE A MAC.

Thems apples would be reallllyy FREEESSSSHHHH...AHHHHH

Someone should make a concept and post it on Youtube....Make it tight...please.

delete this post already

Crooklyn Clan . Net = Bad Guido Music Dot Com

LOL

let it go.. already...
go practice...

What's the artist/name of the reggae track on the "Just Movado" mash ?

sG -

movado is the artist, Ready and Willing is the riddim, gangster for life is the song

Track name: Weh Dem A Do or Weh Dem Do?

The title is correct. The riddim is "Redbull & Guinness" (Greensleeves rhythym Album #81)

LOL, so recap:

Title: gangster for life
Riddim: Redbull & Guinness
Artist: Movado


Kapish?

What's funny is that everytime Nik39 brings the ruckus, Sizz makes another $10,000 from the publicity and curiosity that arises from the shitstorm. lol

... No! I said title was correct (blah blah blah)

Title: Weh Dem A Do
Artist: Movado
Riddim: Redbull & Guinness

www.greensleeves.net

yeah..i should have looked at itunes...that wayne marshall joint is hot too

Where can i get old AV8 records?

www.djstuart.com.ar

Check out www.av8records.com

They have an mp3 catalog and there's some old stuff on there - I think even some of the original classic house joints.

Thank you.

www.djstuart.com.ar

Aaaaah Thank you, Thank you!

So I've gotta play Devil's Advocate for a minute...

If I went and purchased all the tracks on Crooklyn, and then posted a link to the entire collection for download here on the forum under a thread titled "FREE CROOKLYN TRACKS... GET 'EM HERE!", then that would be 100% completely cool and Crooklyn wouldn't mind... right?



I'm just asking... ?