All in favor say aye ....

AYE !!

and just because I like to complicate the issue:


[complication]
um yes, just to confuse the issue of course:
I don't think the one button is enough for this, but I would really like to be able to monitor the AUX IN. I would have the sound man send me whats going to the house into my AUX IN so that I could monitor EVERYTHING including the mic cupping rapper through my headphones. Yes I would need a mute for the AUX OUT. Better yet I would like to see a whole separate input for monitoring the house. And I would like it to split too. Maybe not enough DJs need a feature like this, but I do.
[/complication]

AYE!

i thought this was in the works already?

Interesting idea, this would be technically possible using one of the main channel inputs, just a question of finding a way to control it.

Co-signing.

sept, how would you switch it on, say it were coming in the AUX IN? cycling through 3, but not 4.

also we would need to a good way keeping from any possibility of feedback. It would be hard enough to convince the soundman to plug the house into the mixer even with it marked to do so, let alone just plugging it into the AUX IN. Some sound man absolutely would not, whatever anyone, any manual, or any markings say plug the house into your mixer.

back to it:
what do we have to decide on for firmware?

cycle verse hold,
right and left,
anything else?

I vote for two second hold
I vote for cue in left, master in right

Not sure how you would switch it on, you would have to sacrifise a button (channel reverse maybe).
You would set an option in the 57 setup screen "use input 1 for house monitor". This would stop input 1 from ever being played through the master.

On the subject of split cue, I never actually use the split part of it, but I like the way it sums to mono. Definatley cue in left ear (the right ear on my phones is bust).

What about a cue group - use B1 to B4 to select the cue. PGM 1, PGM 2, Aux, Master.

Aux out doesn't have a mute, but it has a level control.

Excellent!

i like the 2-second hold.

cue left. master right. (like all the rest. and if you don't like it, turn your headphones around).

if we really ARE discussing this....why not make the left and right channels of the headphones selectable (for those of use DJs that use the headphone cue on the right ear). this way you could select any source and send it to either side of the headphones....complete cueing flexibility.

not a very good idea .... some headphones are really uncomfortable if worn the opposite way. Also if you are used to having the cord dangle on one left side, it will now be on the opposite side which can be a strange feeling to some.

Feniks .. you hit the nail on the head.

word

but I also like two seconds for ease.

then again, I imagine that I wont be switching it allot

:script:

As a right-ear-cue-er left-ear-main type of guy, I definitely support a complete cueing flexibility. Wearing your headphones backwards just doesn't work at all, but I have always liked the idea of a split cue, even though I haven't used it often.

AKIEM, thanks for the linky to add my $0.02 to this discussion.

word.

concerning R/L
If we cant get full flexibility, at least to start, can we use precident? the 24z, other mixers?

do we want to vote?

or just let Sam dictate?

VOTE

Viva la revolution!

Auto cue would be nice also.

let them eat cake ;)

I like cake...

hey can that cake be all black and red frosting?

i'll be honest. finding out that the 57 didn't have split cue until a few weeks before it was released was kind of disconcerting. i guess i had really liked that feature as i've used an empath for 2 years or so. i'm no stranger to pgm1-pgm2 cuing having had a 56 for two years and an 05pro before that. but i sometime play in environments that are not the best for monitoring. often times i used exclusively the split cut to make it through the night.
i'm certainly getting used to it, and have been playing out several times a week with it for about a month. thankfully i always use the booth out to control my monitor volume, but i've found i'm one-earing and cranking the monitors alot. not as good of a look. i'm eagerly awaiting a firmware update that might alleviate this issue.
other than that, no complaints. looping has really opened up some great new routines, and i really like the scroll wheels and joysticks. i still use my efx-500 for echo and i sometimes struggle to remember to depress the flex-efx before i drop a new track. but that's all on me.
thanks rane, serato, sam, et al.
-jimiscott

For me split cue is also essential. You do not need a monitor anymore. Have you ever played in an environment with bad monitors?
Its not good for your ears, as you automatically turn louder than necessary. With split cue you are totally independent from the monitors! Even those "bedroom DJs" have a good advantage with split cue: turn louder without disturbing your neighbour and safe the money for the home monitor!?
Mixing totally within your headphones is fun, sounds good, is healthier for your ears in noisy environments, and last not least safes time for putting your headphone on and off again and again.
Most DJs are used to have the monitor signal on one ear and the headphone-cue signal on the other ear, and from time to time on both ears. Why not doing this all within your headphone?
Because most mixers do not have split cue!
You have two ears and two headphone-shells, its only logic to send the sound to both of them independently.
Me I would never buy a mixer without split cue, and thus I am very disappointed not to see this amazing feature in the ttm57sl...

I'm not sure if this has been talked bout yet, but...

mann, i tried out the pioneer djm-400. I almost bought the mixer just for the cue function. It has an "auto" split cue. It has : ch.1 , ch.2, and master. If you have just the Master in, you hear the master in both ears. But, if you press ch.1 or ch.2 in, it makes it split cue. Its great because you never have to rely on outside monitoring. It was the easiest monitoring system ive ever used.

Maybe a little late but I vote yeah on this.

Jimi Scott and Mixjockey - fear not! This thread is about how split cue will work, not whether or not it should be added.

We have a design in mind, I want to present it to you, and I would like feedback on two things:
1. will it work for you?
2. will it be simple enough to be obvious how to use it?

Before I start, I need to define some terms.

1. Battle Cue. Used on the 56, and on the 57. The headphone pan slider mixes between PGM 1 and PGM 2. It's just like you are monitoring the master out, and the pan slider is the cross fader.

2. Normal Cue. You select the "cue source", i.e. that which you wish to cue, to be on the left of the slider, and master is on the right. Similar to the Empath, when not in Split Cue mode

2. Split Cue. The cue source is on one ear, and the master is in the other ear. The pan slider controls the volume of both: in the middle, they are equal volume, on the left, you can only hear the cue source in your left ear, all the way to the right, you can only hear the master in your right ear. (we can talk about switching left and right later).

The design I am proposing will allow you to quickly switch between Battle Cue and Normal or Split Cue. That is, two options:
Option 1. Battle Cue
Option 2. Normal or Split Cue

The surface of the mixer will look like this:
scratchlive.net
(excuse the rough photoshop)

In addition, there will be a new group, dedicated to Cue configuration. The objective here is that you go into this group once, to set up how you want cueing to work, and they you can drive everything from the slider and button in the image above. You may also want to return to this group if you wanted to cue something specific, or cue in a way that you don't normally cue.

The new group would look like: scratchlive.net

Imagine that all the button labels have a little headphone icon next to them to make it clear that each pertains to cueing.

So B1 to B4 select which source you cue. These would be with effects, if an effect was engaged on the channel.

Auto means use the cross fader to select which source to cue. When the cross fader is in the left half of its range, cue PGM 1. When the cross fader is in the right half of its range, cue PGM 2. It's a hard switch from one to the other as the cross fader passes through center.

Pressing B1, B2, B3 or B4 turns Auto off.

L/R means split cue. With this turned on, the left headphone plays the cued source, the right headphone plays the master, and the cue slider on the mixer pans - move it left and cue gets louder, master quieter. Move it right, and master gets louder, cue quieter. Basically, L/R lets you choose between Normal Cue and Split Cue as defined above. We might label it "Split" instead of L/R, but note that there will also be a R/L option for those of you who prefer it the other way.

To hear just the master output, turn off battle cue and move the cue slider to the right (or left if you have split cue on, and R/L selected)

Let me know what you think.

I'm not sure if it is necessary to have the fader control levels on split cue. It might be more useful if it did the same as it does in battle cue mode, so moving the fader from one side to the other would change which channel was being monitored in the PGM side of the headphones.

Also I assume that on auto, you mean when the fader is on the left cue PGM 2 (not PGM 1) and vice versa.

WOW!!! That would be dope! I like the "fader control levels on the split cue"

Nice sam...

so the master output level for the split cue would be pre-fader and at a set output regardless of the actual master level?

am i understanding you correctly if i say that we can use Auto + L/R simultaneously?

hmm...

sound's like you've been working hard on this Sam :)

so in normal cue + split cue mode do you have to go into the cue group to select what channel is to be cue'd unless you have auto mode on?

also in auto mode...where does the switch take place? i.e. in the centre on the cross fader?

reading this think the normal cue + auto mode would be the setting I'd use,as I'm not sure if I'd like split cue (with slider & master only) only coming out one ear on the headphones?

but never used split cue so that may change once I play around with it.

forget this question just re-read the auto section spec and it describes it there...

I am with nobspangle on this one.

I'm kinda with this too as it would mean not doing anything with the cue group for selection, only thing is how would you be able to have master only with this?

as I use the master only alot if there are no monitors?

I like this idea for how split will work, and I am super happy that you are considering us backwards-listeners with the R/L option. Looks like there has been a lot of thought on this issue.

if the x-fader is left(ch1) and playing thru mains, then it cues pgm1(ch1)? isn't it supposed to be cueing the other channel? or am i misunderstanding this?

other than that, auto + L/R seems sweet. i do like having the option to adjust the volume levels of the master and channel in the headphones.

YOu are correct. This was explaines somewhere else before.

1. YES!
2. yes!

1.YES
2. Yep

Im all for it! Cant wait!

I was thinking about this again...

I'd like it still to be a toogle between Master out & cue, and you would select which cue mode to be used in the cue group between the 3 options mentioned?

what does everyone else think?

Just haveing the split cue option and the l/r and r/l switch option is enough for me.

we'll still be able to use fx with split cue, right?

darn. i was at hopin we would have split cue with the small update. oh well. at least i know it's coming =)

I've been mixing for a while but I'm looking for a way to make less noise whilst practicing. Would a split cue mixer enable me to mix using headphones more, thus enabling me to keep the volume in the loudspeakers down?

Yes, with split cue you hear the master output in one ear and the cue in the other ear so you can mix without any speakers at all.

OK When is this coming out. I needed this bad at the Puma Store on saturday.

Before getting my 57 a few days ago, I have been using a strange little dj mixer called the KORG KAOSS mixer, basically a two channel mixer, with a crossfader and a built in KAOSS pad. Its cueing system is like this:

three buttons: ch1, ch2 and master

and if you hold down ch1 and ch2 simultaniously, you hear ch1 summed up in your left ear, and ch2 summed up in your right.

Very simple, and I have used this feature extensively.

I actually thought that this was "stereo cue", but apparently after reading this thread, stereo cue is a bit more comlicated :p

Anyone up for this simplified stereo cue?

p.s. maybe we just need to get some extra buttons and sliders onto the 57 :D

So will this come out? Are they working on it?
I won`t buy this mixer, if not. Would be nice to hear some official feedback

Bump. I really am looking forward to split cue.

my friends nieghbors want him to use split cue

Why am I still being ignored about adding 1 little addition that would make my world? It's what Stanton calls "Post," which is on my discontinued SA-12 mixer, and still on the SA.5?

The full explanation is here:

scratchlive.net

It's superior to Vestax/Ecler's "Scratch Cue," which I didn't realize before.

I just want to be able to hear scratches post-line fader, but with the effct of the cross-fader; I want to hear my scratches without the line-faders all the way up. What's the big deal?

I represent 590+ DJ's around the globe. Can I get some respect, please?

+1

So is this feature just going to come in the form of the 57SL or will lower end Rane mixers get this as well...

ONE MAIN reason why I stick with that Radio Shack mixer is because the SPLIT CUE was WAYYYYY before it's time.

What's the word Rane?

If you really need split cue, then get creative:

www.zzounds.com

Just do it yourself instead of waiting for Rane to implement it.

Man, that won't do me any good, because the output is COMBINED. It would be different if was a a THRU-PASS.

Besides, I don't get it, they had it on previous club style mixers, right?

Use your head homie, each channel has a left and right input... So take your headphone output on your mixer, and connect it to one of the left inputs on the minimixer. Then take the auxilary output on your mixer, and connect it to one of the right inputs. There you have it, split cue. Not that difficult.

I gotta admit, I am lazy and cheap, and would rather wait for Rane/Serato to hit me with a firmware update.

But I am excited about when it will be available.

ILK! I see what you're saying.....hmmm.....

Right? Works great for me. Plus you have indepent volume controls for each side. I can't live without split cue so this was my solution. It's pretty cool that they could add this function though after making the mixer. Hope they get it done so I don't have to set-up this extra piece of hardware. It says $75 on the website, but I got mine for $50 on eBay.

that is freakin clever

RiceCube, you should post that in the Tips

I'm too lazy, ya'll feel free to post it.

You should have seen how I used to do split-cue before...it was so ghetto. I used to use one of those splitter Y-cables so I had the auxilary output on the right, and the headphone output on the left, but the auxilary output doesn't have enough power cuz it's a pre-amp signal so I used this Red-something mini-headphone amplifier but it ran on batteries. I use the Pioneer headphones with the mono-switch so anytime I accidentally hit that and my headphones went into mono, it would cross the power signals from the mixer and the headphone amp so it would create this really loud buzz/feedback in my headphones and I was scared I was going to blow my headphones up while wearing them. It was so ghetto. Using a mini-mixer like this thing is definitely the way to go if a mixer doesn't have split cue. I have really bad hearing now so I can't beatmatch if I don't have split cue cuz I can't hear the beats that well. Maybe that's why I like SSL's visual cueing system...hah hah.

RiceCube, you are truly a SPLIT CUE warrior. I might have to consider this...

But wait, did they say they could retro fit this into Rane's current mixers?

The only question I have is, when you take the signal from the AUX OUT, (I suppose you're going into a Y jack to make it mono), that might double back to my mixer, I think my MASTER OUT, and REC OUT are the same connections. And if I only use 1 channel of the REC OUT, the load on that channel might cause an imbalance in my overall output....

But that's a damn good suggestion.

No, what you do is you connect it like this.

Left headphone out to L1 on mini mixer
Right headphone out to L2 on mini mixer
Left aux out to R1 on mini mixer
Right aux out to R2 on mini mixer

That way the mini mixer will be summing your signals to mono, no nasty y-cables.

Thought about that but then you can't control the volume of the two different sources using the mini-mixer. You'd have to control the headphone volume using the volume controls on the output of the main mixer rather than adjusting the mini-mixer's volume knobs.

Yes, please!

Gotcha!

Hi all, hey I like what Sam has put forward but...
How about having Master one side, and cue the other with the pan slider selecting the cue source...

That's the only way you could do it on the sl57 since there are no cue select buttons for each channel. That slider is what you use to choose which channel to monitor.

Auto-select is the magic word. The side which is not on the crossfader's faders side will be cue'ed.

Both the 56 & 57 have "Auto-Select"?

No, neither has. The 57SL might get one. Read the previous posts from the moderators in this thread.

Ok, when you mentioned "Auto-Select", I thought you were talking as if the technology has already been implemented....

*****Leaves 56 right where it is....*****Waits for update to base model*****

Your right, it's how one would think it would work but... it looks as if it's going to be implemented differently...



Hence my Suggestion...

I dont want to start a flame war but skimming this made me laugh.... something i think all our mommas told us to do when were were young.. and we never thought it would work...

anyhow... I'm so used to learning how to mix when there were no split cues, or fader curves (sometimes no faders even) that I think i'm ok with it the way it is.... But if other folks see a need for it and its not hard to implement, go for it... just dont crowd up the program groups, it took me a while to memorize them and rock without the panel being visible. (so I can have the most real estate for the song library)...

thanks..

So is there any new timeline when we could see this for the 57, as i have one and i really really miss my split cue. thanks!

No, not yet sorry. The first priority is to sort the effects out.

I started this post to see if what I had in mind is what people wanted, looks like it's close. Now I have to find out if we can do it.

holy that's a fast response!! hopefully (fingers crossed). otherwise i would have to try that minimixer idea, but i really really hope that won't be the case. any eta on when you'll know if it's gonna happen at some point, thanks Darwin.

I swear, if you (Rane) updates the 56 with a split cue, I'll go out and buy it today....

I wasnt going to buy these mixers for that reason...no split cue. I hope I can get this option as well. Split cue is so nice to get tight mixes. Forget the effects rane...hook up the split cue!! You can do most effects with doubles and what you got in the mixer anyway.

I agree, I feel split cue is a far better want than effects! I've been using split cue for 16 years, and I miss it terribly and I don't want to go deaf from monitors! please please rane/serato guys, hook us up! thanks in advance!

-sam-

your in general seeming like you give a Flock are the exact reason why im selling my final scratch and pioneer 909 and getting this mixer, but i can not live without split cue... i agree this is more pressing than effects, i too learned like most on a battle mixer, but now playing in large venues and clubs and such i need to have control over what i hear... so to naswer your questions

1. yes
2. yes

asap... is there any expected date for this, i dont own this mixer yet and its whats keeping me from it...

If split-cue is the one thing that's keeping you from buying the mixer, then you're acting dumb. Figure a way around it until it's implemented. There's no reason not to buy the mixer cuz of some little issue that you could fix yourself.

www.zzounds.com

Yeah, I would go ahead and get this mixer regardless of split cue, but I would love to see split cue implemented (not dogging the workaround RiceCube, as I think that is a good idea, I just think that it actually being implemented within the mixer would be a more elegant solution).

I vote for it!
Forget the FX, I needsplit cue.....

All I want for Christmas is Split cue.....but for rizzle! DJ D

Hey, I'm in no way DUMB, I just feel like if I'm gonna spend HELLA DOLLARS on a mixer, it should AT LEAST have A SPLIT CUE FUNCTION, that is not only found on mixers that you can get for 40.00 bucks on ebay (REALISTIC), but also existed as an option on PREVIOUS RANE mixers. If you don't ask for it, you might not get it. I'm in no way phased by effects, I just used doubles, and create my own.

Thats what im saying! Why worry about effects when we can load doubles up and get all the effects we want from that? What kind of effects are they thinking of adding to the 57 now anyone know?

I'd like to see a vocoder for the mic.

bump

So what are the chances of getting this for the next update (1.7) I really really miss that feature from the Rane MP-24Z I used to use, but that's it otherwise....57 RULEZ!

It won't be in 1.7, I'm afraid.

Damnit!!!!!

=(

That is disappointing. I know of one sale you would get immediately if this implementation was imminent (not me, I already have mine).

1.8? :-) Since you can't say Yes, can you say 'maybe'. :-)

how about 1.7.1 or 1.7.2? =)

It seems that alot and I mean alot us want this feature. I would like to know honestly if it can be done ever and what sorta time frame, or I might go the way of jimmy-rigging it as previously mentioned, but only if it's never gonna happen, or not for quite some time. Either way, that's disappointing that it won't be in 1.7 :(

Sam said,

Pretty much anything is possible with the mixer including this, and it will be done.

think more people want key lock in SSL than split cue on the 57 so I guess they have to get that released before looking at split cue.

never used split cue so not a big feature for me anyway.

I'm with bob... I used/ use ghetto split cue... one ear on and one ear off the heaadphones

When you have a good monitor(s), ghetto split cue is what I prefer too.

Well I played in a club with a wicked load main system and great JBL monitors, but I'm so used to split cue that I miss it so so much!! It's the fact that I have to crank the monitor to overpower the mains as the DJ booth is located on a mezzanine and causes some seriously delays to affect using it as a reference. Anyhow, my point is, I could live without the key correction than split cue, however those are my main 2 wants, otherwise I'm as happy as I could be!! please please give a real ETA on the split cue otherwise I guess I've to invest some more $$$ and set-up my own split cue system.

PS - sorry for the continued posts, but I didn't realize just how much I loved and got acustom to using split cue for mp24 mixers, thanks DJ D!

Also, I don't like having to use monitors as much, as I find I'm practically deaf at the end of 3-4 hours of working. Whereas with split cue, I can use my headphones to isolate the main system at a much lower volume level and not have to crank the monitor and headphones to get my desired referrence volume. Then I just use the monitor as a reference when hearing he combined mix at a much lower volume :)

I have also played around with the headphone cueing system as is, but it's hard to even come close to getting a split cue sound. Thanks again for all the hardwork in this mixer and software, it's fricking amazing!! I pack my laptop, ext. HD and mixer into a backpack with like 4000 songs!! It's nuts!! I remember the days of hauling like 300-500 records in these 3' x 2' road cases and damn, that was like 100lbs! compared to my 10 now!! Anyhow thanks!

i agree... i like my hearing and split cue helps me protect it...

:script:

anyone hear if 1.8 has split cue?

Ok, so I had to make my own split cue system up as per ricecube's suggestion, however I used a another mini mixer I had sitting around. But I was surfing the forum and found a topic that said that SPLIT CUE was gonna be a originally on the mixer? I mean, what happened there :( Can someone from serato please give us all some kind of real ETA on this feature, or am I suck with my hockie split cue set-up for awhile or forever? Thanks D!

point to the thread

bump =)

and again...

one for the homies....wtf give us this feature rane! Give us split cue and effects and I will not ask for anything more.

I am still hoping for Split Cue.

me too

amen!

right on

why do u guys think split cue is so great? just learn to listen to 2 signals together, trains your ears better. so you can also mix without headphones if necessesairy ;)


I think its funny that someone chooses normal cue for the look of it???

Its great because it allows you to do a real 1 to 1 comparison between the program and the cue.

Its great because helps to eliminate problems with monitoring like, levels, delays, frequency, and feedback.

Its great because it lets work without loud speakers in environments where they cant be used for example, appartment, late nights, them headphone party things.


If you want to "train" then just turn it off. But when its time to perform, not practice, you want all your tools to work to your advantage, not against.


and Im not sure how normal cue helps you learn to mix without headphones?

Preach it AKIEM!!!

if you are used to listening to your cue program mixed with the master program in the same audio signal you are better at distinguising the different audio signals as they are mixed.

in you headphone you have some controle over volume levels. but your master output is virtually the same.

drop mixing and adjusting is also a skill. and if for some reason you dont have headphones you can continue without. or if something else is wrong.
im just saying its better to know both ways.

excellent. Its a good thing we all have the freedom to take off our headphones anytime we please!

It's been a few weeks since this thread received any attention.

So I guess it's time for a glass of Bump-orade!

Hi SAM, It's has been almost a year since you said 2 months ago I bought the ttm-57 but I can't use it cause the Split cue, where I work there is no room for a monitor so I had to buy another mixer (Pioneer djm-3000) that has that feature, and ttm-57 it's just sitting @ home getting dusty.
Are you guys going to implement this anytime soon? or do you have a date when it's coming?
I know there are ways to do it with external hardware but it's bulky.
PLEASE!!! give us an answer.

DJ Rocky, they have already given an answer:
www.scratchlive.net

Me I have been waiting for that "key correction" feature for a few years.
Now they have done it. As a free update. For me it is a major update. But they called it 1.7. I simply do not understand their philosophy. Many of us would even spend an extra fee for a specific feature. They could spend that money for deploying an extra engineer, in order to force specific developments. But they make it all for free. - A few years later. Thank you very much.

I would have paid for a better sounding keylock - instead of a free but limited sounding keylock.

i'm sure PnT is still in development, but just not as important as vista compatibility and video is now.

but yea, back to the point...

still waiting for split cue...*sigh*

I'm sorry mixjockey but I don't have the time to read all the threads in this forum, Thank you for the link tho.

Here is specifically what mixjockey was guiding you to; it is from the FAQ (and is easily the most referenced piece of info on this forum, with the forum rules being a close second):

okok, not to oblige you to do it another way or something... but not using your [hella expensive] mixer because of one little feature? c'mon... at least try it like other do get around with it. thats just a waste of money imo

i personaly can always find room for a small monitor (i have several of diff sizes to be able toadjust to diff things) I have even put one on the fllor under me and used it there in one realy small booth. Looked kinda funny bending down to hear it on some songs.. but it worked!!!

Where I work It's hell of small so I can't use one. Besides we need it to practice @ home too.

You are right, Rocky!
Me I would never work without split cue again. So I will keep my Numark Pro SM-3, which is a three channel battle mixer with great faders and: split cue!
For me it is such a great luxury to keep my headphones on my head, all the time, so I have always two hands free, more time for mixing, and total control over everything that happens. On my left ear and on my right ear. If you are familiar with it, you are never looking back!

hmmmmm.....what happend with this topic.

Still waiting for the feature, we talked enough :-)

maybe if we typed in caps they can hear our pleas better =P

Yeah, it really sucks they don't give us a clue when it's going to be ready.

I really would like this feature, and I hope that this project is getting a lot of work in the SSL labs.

I would like to share with you guys that I found a cheaper mini mixer to make our own Split Cue!!! Although it is behringer does the trick here it is -----> www.planetdj.com it is called Behringer MON800 my friend Erick Jameson hooked me up. This is half of the price than the one was sugested before by Rice Cube ---> www.zzounds.com . I think we don't have an excuse anymore to enjoy our TTM57 :) I mean only if you are a really cheap bastard He he he... Enjoy!!!!!

cool, good price, you wont feel jerked if SQ drops soon.
let us know how it runs Rocky

Works great!!! just do it the way Ricecube described it: Easy huh...

bump...

here's my cheap split cue solution:
www.discogs.com

that comes up just as a blank page for me

Well... i have mine too but it would be nicer if I don't have to use an extra device, get's anoying :(

I thought we had gotten this all figured out a long time ago and seemed to be easy enough but still no results. Wasn't this a orginal feature with the mixer? I don't post much but I got this mixer almost 7 months back and still no luck with this option.........please make my life better....lugging a monitor everywhere I go is not kool...lol

yes, i'd like to preserve my hearing.

[quote}www.discogs.com


blizank!

discogs sux, no direct linking i guess
if you go to that page, then after it shows up blank... put the cursor in the address bar and hit ENTER it shows up.

anyways, it was a joke... as you'll see.

The mixer I started off on had a feature to split PGM1 in the left ear and PGM2 in the right ear with the cue fader in the middle. This is what they called "split." I found this useful because I keep the left turntable in my left ear and right turntable in my right ear and it gives some extra association between the two (helps to avoid those, "oops, wrong turntable" moments). With the 57 I cue the same way, but now I have to flip the cue fader back and forth for each cue, which adds an annoying step to mixing and probably puts extra wear on that fader (which doesn't seem to be built for frequent use). Any chance of seeing similar behavior on the 57?

Thanks!

^ i think i could live with that

bump......still waiting for my beloved split cue

so I got tired of waiting

some one said it might be allot harder to to implement on the 57 thaen what you might think, maybe summing to mono or who knows what.

So I set my old trusty TTM56SSL up as secondary split cue mixer. From the 57 just sent the 'aux out' and 1/4 phones to the PGM1R and PGM2L on the 56.

It took about 30 min an hour to get used to it again because I hadn't used split since I had a Realistic. (got rid of that 20 years ago)

so, its not perfect, wont travel like that, and Im not going to bother setting up a portable joint every place I go so....

well its good for late nights in the house



now, the one thing I havn't checked yet. If you monoise the Aux on the 57 are the Main and Booth also monoised? that would kinda suck.


but do stay tuned, I might have some more tricks up the sleeve

How would you mono the Aux? If it was done inside the firmware then the Main and booth would also be mono because they share a common D/A converter.

its called a Y cable

right, Ive got the Aux mono with a Y going to my right headphone.

Im wondering if my Main and Booth are now mono because of the Y.

check after lunch

Im sure they are, just wishing

You shouldn't be using a Y cable to sum to mono, you could potentially damage the outputs on the 57.

I don't think you will sum all the outputs to mono since they all have their own op-amp.

yup youre right, still stereo


nobs, can you explain exactly how harm could come from summing?

I want to experiment with different ways to make it work

www.rane.com

Basically you are connecting one output into another output, that's never going to be a good thing.

thanks

looks like I got some work to do

MAN.....if we only had split cue we wouldn't have to go through all this trouble..........(hint hint)

One way to do this with the 56 is to connect the Aux output from the 57 to PGM1L and PGM2L on the 56. Then connect the headphone output to PGM1R and PGM2R on the 56. Stick the cue fader in the middle on the 56 and you will hear mono Master out of the left ear and mono cue out of the right ear, all safely summed together by the mixer.

yup I went and worked it out.


www.rane.com

nobspangle, can you tell me if I can use the same resistors, line level or headphone level?

I would have thought so, but the man to ask is usually Steve M from Rane.

cool

This is really the one feature above all others that I am hoping to see implemented into the 57 via a firmware update. There has been little talk by any of the mods about it in this thread for quite some time (last post by a mod was Sam on Dec. 29th 2006 letting us know that Split Cue would not be in 1.7). IMO, this is far more important than FX or any other project in the works for this mixer.



Master, Cue, Split.

With Split working such that when it is selected...



I would like something simple like this (above) type of set up and with an option in the hardware screen to switch between having either the left earcup being master or the right, because I am a reverse cue-er (I like the master going to my left ear and the cue signal to my right, which is backwards to what most people prefer, and backwards to what most split-cue mixers provide, and wearing your headphones backwards is not comfortable...). I don't want an auto-cue via the crossfader, or any of the other more in-depth options that have been kicked around, just this simple, basic, and effective method of split cue (although if auto-cue was implemented, but it was optional to engage/disengage in the setup screen, then that would be a-ok, as it would be there, but I wouldn't have to use it).

Please move this up the list, RSSL team!!!

Thanks!

I "Guess" they haven't say anything about that feature because they are going to implement that on the upgrade along with P'n'T so more people can buy 1.8 Ha ha... they're smart.

you wont have to BUY 1.8... that update will be free... its the plug-ins that you will have to pay for to get the vid and p-n-t to work.. the plug-ins are compleatly diff then the update.

Ok, ok that's what I meant. They might come with the plug in, wich we will pay.

All updates to the 57 firmware will be free.

he maybe comes form FS and is used to get ripped

Ok smart ass, I'm guessing only. FYI I started with FS, but I never paid/bought an update from them.

Man, I did a bootleg split cue on my 56 with this, www.behringer.com

Headphone output into L/R of 1st Channel, and TTM56 Aux Out into L/R of 2nd Channel. Panned 1st Channel to the LEFT, Panned 2nd Channel to the RIGHT.

The only thing that doesn't happen is that NEITHER of the sources is MONO SUMMED to the respective ears...

But it will get me thru for the moment...

****Goes to try out previous suggestions here...

you can do mono summed in a round about way..... you put both left and right out puts from each source the same ear on diff channels.. like you put the headphone out from your dj mixer to the right side of 2 diff channels... then with the second main out from your mixer (or Y split) you put into the left side of both channels that you have the other ones plugged into. you set the mastr vol of the cue mixer so that the main output soubds right (sence its the one you cant adjust on your mixer to make it no too loud in your ear) and use the headphone vol knob on your dj mixer yo adjust the cue vol... and boom.. you have (in a round about way) a summed mono... might not be as good as the real thing... but it would work

^^^ btw.. you have to set each channels vol the same... (if you had not guessed already that is)

ohh and if you just want to hear the cue... you use the pan knob to take the main out on each channel

yo windbag, stop guessing start reading

I'm reading that you are the one who owned FS 'till 1.5 right, so you are the one who is used to be ripped, ha ha ha.

so compared to you i actually know what i am talking about...

Yes of course you know. Ha ha ha, what a moron... :)

Rocky, chill... there are a lot of SSL users who owned FS before.

I'm cool. It is just funny how he said this...
and he is the one that had or has it 'till 1.5 . I'm just bored I guess.

lets keep this thread unlocked fam

And keep the focus on SPLIT CUE.....cause i would like to have it one day......YO SAM WHATS GOOD?

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back to the first page...

Damn, it had dropped all the way to page 3...

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go to your forum preferences and make it 100 posts per page, then it will be months in this section before it goes to the 2nd page.

haha. that's like rigging the meter. doesn't make it any more effective. :)

split cue.

I spun with John for a few hours this past Saturday and this setup works pretty well.

please...

oh please...

in 1.8....

please....

Still hoping to see this.

What's the offical word on this? Is it just a matter of time or are they still trying to see if it possible? The Dev have not gave the offical ruling, the last offical reffence was that they are trying to see if it is possible.

bump.

double bump

i have this.. ive posted this before - i love it... www.samedaymusic.com

i put the headphones in one input pan it how i want, put the flex out in the other pan/volume how i want, ive still got two more channels one for the "house" if thats what you guys want, this literally is what some of you are asking for in the 57.. its small enough to fit in my record case and the back of my coffin -

im not saying i wouldnt like this in my serato - just saying for 75 bucks you can have it now...

thanks for the info.........................but in an all digital mixer there should be a way to make split cue happen.

agreed.

And according to the earlier discussion, this should be in the works, but there has been a serious wait. I feel that this feature is long overdue, as I am not particularly interested in using additional hardware to do something that my mixer is "allegedly" capable of doing with a "simple" firmware update.

A simple split cue without the use of additional equipment would really make my life tremendously easier...

Any chance of having this before November 10th. Playing a venue without monitors.

I know. Didn't think so... :(

Haha :)

Will we even see it soon in a beta version of 1.8......

no

we really, really need this. 1500 for a mixer, this should be making coffee..

How dare this important issue make it to the second page..........Bump

i've got the brooklyn bridge i'd like to sell to you if you actually paid 1500 for the TTM57SL.











p.s. i take paypal

Of course I didn't pay 1500, 1500 is the MSRP (close to that at least, rough est.).. Mine was actually 1200..

i paid 1500 LAST halloween...when platinum records was THE ONLY place in town that had one on hand. well worth it. i'd still pay 1500. i'll take the bridge too.

Apologies for my long absence from this thread.

I've been working on how to get this going, but I made the mistake of making an assumption early on in the piece, one that turned out to be wrong. The result is that it's significantly harder than I first thought.
I'm very sorry to all of you who have been waiting. I have not given up, but it's a pretty major job.

Thanks for checking back in! I know routing those data signals can be a bear. You guys using an FPGA or CPLD to route the audio signals internal to the 57?

yay! we're not forgotten!

hi, french dj's would like have split cue fonction on their ttm57sl.
is it possible in the forthcoming sl 1.8 definit version?

no, all functions for the final 1.8 are included in the beta...

So Sam, how is this looking?

hi Sam, is there something new about a possible split cue fonction on the 57sl ?
perhaps with the 1.8.1 version ?

if/when you get it working, i'll buy you a cookie!

bump :-)

also american dj's! worldwide split cue need.

^^ True.

Just happy to know that this is still in the works.

star light, star bright...

c'mon 1.8.1!!

+1 split cue! (avoiding neighbor knockin @ my door in the middle of the nite!)

I am beginning to lose hope...

:-(

keep hope alive. keep this thread alive!

bump.

LOL.

I keep tracking this thread because I want split cue prior to buying the 57SL.

It's been a while since we've had any offical word. What's the likelyhood of having split cue in 08'? It's been about six months since anyone from Rane or Serato has chimed in.

And it has been almost 2 years since this feature was originally discussed...

:-/

must keep hope alive.....

Split Cue!! Just bought a 57SL and that's my only complaint!! Well, almost.

It's not looking good I'm afraid, but I haven't given up yet.

Thanks Sam! Good luck to us all.

Thanks Sam!

+1

Yesterday there was no monitor at my gig. I really needed split cue.
+100.000!

BUMP!!!!!

Still hoping...

bought my 57 and this is the only feature i wish it had. NEED THIS ASAP RANE!!!

my pioneer djm 400 had this and worked great. now i wish i didnt sell it =(

I'm joining the ASAP request!

I sold my DJM 600 and purchased the TTM57SL and now I'm feeling like the world's greatest fool for not having the split mono cue mix, I would personally prefer mixing using a monitor but I started working in a place that doesn't have a DJ monitor so mixing has become a hell!

Does anyone have other alternatives? maybe some sort of routing I can do myself?

If you buy a small mixer => www.behringer.com
Then connect the headphone output from the 57 to the first two inputs and pan both hard left. Then connect the Aux output from the 57 to the second two inputs and pan both hard right.
Then plug your headphones into the headphone output on the small mixer.

Thank you nobspangie!

That's a good solution.

I think I'll get the behringer 502 model for that.

arrrggghhhh. i need my split cue. no progress on this? argghhh.

i want my split cue.

+3,857

Or even better a new 4 channel mixer with dual mike inputs and of course "split cue"

bump

double bump

Triple Bump.

Maybe its easyer to integrate the scratch live hardware into a rane empath (which has split cue). Would be nice either.

Now that is what I've been saying the whole time........Never understood why they used the 56 when the empath was always better anyways....just my thoughts

I'll throw in an extra bump

I will also throw in another bump... Not that it will do any good. :-/

futile bump number three thousand and eighty.

Bump and $100 to the person that makes this happen....

I can make it happen, maybe......

Not all of us are gifted with your technical wizardry...

Forgot to add this:

:-)

bumpity bump

:-)

All I want for Christmas is my "Split Cue"
:-)

+1,000,000

There is a Loop roll as easter egg already and no Split Cue yet... Sad :(

Loop roll = software
Split cue = hardware

I'm pretty sure Rane/Serato would have given us split cue if the mixer was capable of achieving this via software updates. The only reason I keep posting is because I really hope there is a second generation TM57SSL with at least this feature. Since I also do mobiles I usually need this as well as dual mike inputs. A plus would be 4 channels but 100% necessary.

sorry
"NOT 100% necessary"

Give us our edit button.

Well, I know that. But they haven't said is not possible either. So, I won't give up and remind them every now and then one way or another. :p

I have been fairly sure for quite a while that I can design a small kit thing that would give us a split cue mod. The problem is that Im not certain about my electronic knowledge, and it would be a warranty voider. also Im not sure I have time to devote to it. If anyone is interested pm me.

splite cue = firmware

last i heard, it's proving to be more difficult than expected. i wonder what the difficulties are...if it's just conflicting stuff or other things...

split cue

LOL
I would love some "splite cue"

Sam any updates on this topic?

making my yearly checkin on the split cue thread.

My quarterly visit to this thread - still no update...

P L E A S E !!!!! :(

Mega BUMP.

for '09, c'mon!

Split Cue 09. Yes we can.

Please, split cue in 2009!!!

Split cue, por favor.

que diablos es split cue

Ja Ja Ja (Español)
LOL (Ingles)

Split Cue es cuando se puede separar el sonido en los audifonos.
Lado izquierdo = lo que vas a mezclar.
Lado derecho = sonido del output.
Perfecto para cuando no hay bocinas monitors.

1.9 Beta will be out on monday and still no sign of split cue!!!

DAMMMIT!!!

BUMP BUMP BUMP.

they never mentioned what's going on with the ttm57sl firmware. only ssl and vsl.

still got my fingers crossed tho..

+1 man that would be a real nice implementation to an already awesome mixer...

Bump

Still hoping for split cue.

Would love it, but I don't think it's going to happen. I think it's based on the hardware mapping of the headphone control. No software update is going to fix it.

Just my 2 cents.

just wait for a 4 channel djm 800 with ssl built in then they will give u split cue lmao.

No split cue for TTM57SL.
Wait for the TTM57SL mk2.

I remember a discussion a while ago where some guy actually installed the SL box inside the mixer.

dammit!!!

LOL.
Don't believe what I say.
It's just jokes.

I dedided not to wait for split cue and bought the 57SL. If I use it for weddings I'll have to buy a mini microphone mixer because I need 2 mikes. If I need split cue then I guess I can look at the waveforms (LOL).

that was me

Akiem made some sort of 57 prototype with a 56. A true genius.
I remeber seeing the pics and thinking "I want one!"

If he was such a genius he would have put split cue in that prototype.
BTW - JK.

well I posted someplace in this thread that I have a design for a modification to put split cue in a 57, I need a little help.... but no one responded.....

That's OK.
Your idea was still genius.
I hope Rane is listening to you.

Akiem - genius move on that '57'.

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just saw this
www.jimiwes.com

reminds me to bump this thread!

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me too

Sam, it's been over 6 months since you last chimed in. Any new word?

I think hope is lost...

Yeah I think after 3years we should just give up hope until Rane puts out another mixer....

Bump - give us this rane

pretty please......

is better to give up
also adjusting fader curves per software will never come ))

"keep hope alive!!!!!"

words inspired from the immortal DJ Jesse Jackson

at this rate, i'm assuming the next version of the ttm57sl (ttm58sl?) or possibly a new 12" or 19" will have split cue....along with usb 2.0, better sound, yada yada yada...

*sigh*

True on both fronts.

One more time for the road since they about to close this area anyways......SPLIT CUE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes please.

hehe ))

yay ill get in for a bump on this one!

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1.9.1. Still no split cue.

It think we better forget about it.




















NOOO.. I want slplit cueeeeeeeeee... BUUUUUMPPP!!!

I want this as well but I don't think it will happen possible due to hardware limitations.

well then i think it's about time they come out with a new mixer already. 4-channel. based on the sl3 as well (usb 2, upgraded sound).

19" preferred but it better be coffin friendly. 12", i guess would be okay but i would have to buy another coffin =(

and it will have video-sync capability like the ttm57sl

and don't forget the SPLIT CUE please.

i said please..

12" mixer, 4 channel (8 inputs), USB2, 2 Mic inputs (XLR & 1/4") & SPLIT CUE.

k how about wait tilll usb 3.0

^^^Musiclee?

usb2 is compatible with usb3

Sure is, but USB3 is much faster.

10 times faster :) (USB 2.0 480 mbps & USB 3.0 4800 kbps)

I don't think that there is any point hoping for split cue unless there is a new mixer coming from Rane to contain it. The 57 (which I still love) isn't going to see too many more changes...

:-(

grrillatactics, is that speculation or information?

I haven't given up hope on updates (not expecting split que)

That's why DJs put only One headphone cup on One ear and the other ear is open to hear the sounds of the monitors.... That's your split Cue LOL.

Only in the worst of sound quality situations would split cue ever be necessary. At that pint you are probably ahting the club and the night anyway, and just dealing with the situation for what it is. Probably One of the bad ear ringing nights we all try and avoid. - www.djemir.com

Often stages are worse then clubs. Ive toured allot of small clubs, many dont bother with a monitor for the DJ position. Ive had soundmen actually wonder why I need a monitor since Ive got headphones. If you are touring (unless you are LARGE) the sound is different EVERY night which is also annoying.

I would rather have full control with my own headphone - several times Ive had to go and physically unplug a blaring monitor.

And for work at home when you cant blast the system

save our ears

i dont' like blaring monitors either. save your hearing!

not all venues provide monitors.

don't always have the luxury of being near to the speaker when on mobile events.

and it is great for not disturbing neighbors or the rest of the family at home.

this has all been said before.

+1!

if they come out with a new mixer soon, im gonna throw up. just got the 57 like 2 or 3 weeks ago.

get ready to throw up.....


just kidding.....


or am i.....?


=P

oh well.. i'll just buy that one too.

TTM57 = long overdue for an update
Akiem = :(

+1

I like to keep hope alive, but by now someone should know if it at least possible. Rane or Serato please chime in or say something. Just let it be know if this is at least being thought of are trying to be addressed.

I did a gig two nights ago where I was on a balcony and the speakers were pointed down to the crowd...no monitors...split cue would have been an awesome feature to have!

FlowJay = :(

TurnTableTennis = o[ | ] (thats a pingpong ball and table)

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that's a better one.

º(|)


kinda looks like a genital wart next to something...

º(!)

fixed

Speculation, AKIEM my friend, just speculation. Alas, it has been so long since we have seen even a shadow of a Serato or Rane employee in this thread...

we know it's possible (with a lot of work though) but can we have an update from rane or serato...this feature would be awesome! pleazzzzzzzzzzz...

thanks grrillatactics,


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(and not that one up there - yuck)

He said "mic cupping rapper" when are they gonna learn that those practices distroy the quality of the dynamics the mic is able to capture! Ruining the Performance!

Page 3?!? Bump time.

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzz....i want split cue!

Split cue! Give me this and I can use in-ear monitors and save my ears big time.


SPLIT CUE!!!

bump.

bump indeed.

re-bump.

Well guys, it's been 3+ years since the start of this. If it was possible I think they would have done it by now. I can now say I have adjusted to using the cue the way it is.

But just for old times sakes.....SPLIT CUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pretty please?
www.rent-a-party.co.za

if i remember right, they did mention that it would be difficullt with the way things are in this model....

but here's a bump for future mixers or products to be released soon...

we'll see what happens Namm 2010. If it's what i think it is, i'll be selling my 57.

Yep.
Or keep as a backup.

Since I'm bored, I figured I'd bump this thread.

Again...

:-/

No split cue for the current 57 and i dont there ever will be, the 68 has split cue.

buuuuump

empathSL will have split cue.......






please?

toying with making a split cue box, as a hardware add-on.

could be used on any mixer then.

The 68 does have split cue, true, but you can't assign which ear you want to be the cue signal and which ear you want to be the master out signal... So still really wouldn't address my preferences, as I am apparently among a minority of reverse-eared individuals.

And you are probably right; I gave up on split cue for the 57 a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago. But I am still a little disappointed nonetheless.



We can only hope that such a creation is in the works!!! I would gladly make the move if this were the case, although for some reason I doubt if such a dreamy idea is actually in the pipeline.



Why make one? There are several very inexpensive mini-mixers that can be used for this, with several even mentioned fairly early in the thread (I think some of the posts even include links to the recommended mini-mixer) as well as a complete description of how to get it all connected. The only reason that I haven't gone this route is because it is one more thing to carry with you, and I feel that the less I have to bring/connect, the fewer points of failure in the system, so my support would be for the most simple, streamlined, and elegant system, which would ideally be a firmware update. But I don't think it will ever be.

Oh well.

:-(

It's a hardware issue. No?

Im a reverse headphone cue guy too! i cue with the right and monitor with the left!
and i was a huge splitcue dj in the early days back when i had my Radio Shack 2ch $119 dj mixer and then when i had the pleasure of playing on a Rane MP24 in 90% of the clubs i played at for 15 yrs...............
just another $0.02

i just posted the samething some where... LOL fn minds think a like

And I think it is a hardware issue, But Maybe it could be changes by firmware. anyone ask? I admit I didnt read..

Then read.

LOL So no. thx. I read on other post as well.... till then..
your just following me around nik39.LOL

Nope. You're stalking me. I was in these threads before you :-D

Why would Rane not include the split cue on either the MP 4 or the TTM 57SL?

I don't get it. It's a feature found in most mixers and they even include it on the Empath. I was thinking of buying a 57 but I have to have the split cue; guess I'll be choosing a different 10" mixer.

bc the guys designing this shit dont DJ!

yeah I'd have to agree with you on that. the 57 is a pretty bad ass mixer but to me, that's the one feature that keeps me from using it; i actually bring my own little denon 10" mixer when i play at this one club that has a 57 because my denon has split cue.

the same type of idiot that designed the 57 without the split cue also designed the booth of that club, which negates the possibility of using a booth monitor so you pretty much have to mix in the headphones.

funny thing is they finally added it to the next mixer.... make us a 58!

Answer back to my email:
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Smooth,



Thanks for your note. No TTM 58SL in development at present. Your preference for split cue is noted.



Best Regards,

Dean



RANE CORPORATION

Dean Standing

Director of Sales

Tel: +1 425 551 1820 (direct line)

Tel: +1 425 355 6000 (main number)

Fax: +1 425 347 7757

Email: deans@rane.com

Website: www.rane.com

i never saidf they were makiing one... lol

Thought I'd check with the source..you never know..

it would be cool , i can deff give u details on one if u wanted. what it could have

I got another email back from Dean stating they built the 57 according to what battle Djs were telling them they wanted and it must not have included the split cue. Seems now more and more people like me are asking for it so it's being taken under advisement for the next battle mixer which i guess would be the 58.

even if there was a 58 in development, Rane wouldn't come out and leak that info....

Do I see a Split-Cue button?!?!?!?!?!?!

www.rane.com


I think I just came on myself....

"Clean up on aisle 4"

yep, lock dah thread

Finally!

+ 1

Waddayamean? It has been on the 68 for 2 years!

lol, for the 57!

Ah, gotcha. Well... then you can't say "finall" either ;) It's out for the 61+62. :-P

and really, chances are if you are running a 68 you probably have proper monitors

Well since I don't plan on upgrading yet in few years, I may have to modify my 57 for split cue. Seems like it can't be done via software, this is why 61 and 62 had it. It's just a matter of cutting and splicing traces on the circuit board or rewiring the connectors... :)

ive plotted it out but have not tried it. you will still need to electronically combine signals if you want the right and the left summed to mono in each phone

Doesn't really matter, I'll use left channel on both cue and master since most mono set up uses the left channel. Using master monitor as my split cue and the other is just as is.

cool, I cant wait to see it!

I opened it up and the circuit board may have three or maybe four layers. So it's hard to trace the connection on it. This will take me a while to figure it out, even though it's just a simple task but without a schematic seems like finding a needle in a hay stack. Lol!!! Just wondering if any one knows where to get the scematic for this TTM57? There are couple of 33078 operational amplifier coupled on this headphone and I need to find the enable, source for the master and cue.

hint: its in the ribbons

We don't send out the schematics for any Scratch Live hardware. Its proprietary info:)

Well you should so those factories abroad can copy your products.
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