Serato DJ Pro General Discussion

Talk about Serato DJ Pro, expansion packs and supported hardware

PHASE DJ

DJ Ozah 6:39 AM - 8 April, 2018
So don't get me wrong I'm all for the Rane 72 it does seem quite ground breaking and a great answer to the now aging S9.

HOWEVER those Rane 12's seem very outdated the moment they hit the shelf. You can't play Vinyl on them and at $800 a pop...I expect more. IJS.

Which brings me to Phase DJ. How is this not considered a bigger deal then Rane's latest product release?

We are talking about a device that can go on any turntable and replace needles. The reviews seem stellar.. I am worried about random interference.

But lets say they fail mid gig..fine I'll just start using my needles...Serato crashes...go to Vinyl if you got it. Can't do any of that with the Rane 12's. And to top it off it's ( rumored) to be at a fraction of the cost. ($300-$399)

All I can hope for is Pioneer doesn't buy them out and shelve the product or up the price tag to $2,500.
DjSyndic8 9:10 AM - 8 April, 2018
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So don't get me wrong I'm all for the Rane 72 it does seem quite ground breaking and a great answer to the now aging S9.

HOWEVER those Rane 12's seem very outdated the moment they hit the shelf. You can't play Vinyl on them and at $800 a pop...I expect more. IJS.

Which brings me to Phase DJ. How is this not considered a bigger deal then Rane's latest product release?

We are talking about a device that can go on any turntable and replace needles. The reviews seem stellar.. I am worried about random interference.

But lets say they fail mid gig..fine I'll just start using my needles...Serato crashes...go to Vinyl if you got it. Can't do any of that with the Rane 12's. And to top it off it's ( rumored) to be at a fraction of the cost. ($300-$399)

All I can hope for is Pioneer doesn't buy them out and shelve the product or up the price tag to $2,500.


yer I think its a bit of Over Hype going on here Just to introduce Ranes very first Midi controllers but daaam the Price is Ridiculous,

Lets get that out of the way Ranes trying to scam DJs in thinking they have changed the game

the 1200s are just a Big ass expensive Midi controller that you cant use with any other mixer????? except Ranes New mixer it does not have any RCAs Just Power and USB

How is this changing the game ?

you cant play real vynil?

this does nothing for turntabilist that love to play with real vynil

DJ's Dont Believe The Hype!

stick to your DVS setup and save your hard earned cash
Iffy Ranx 11:10 AM - 8 April, 2018
You don’t have to use the Rane 72 with the Rane 12’s. You can connect both midi controllers to your computer via a usb hub and then, for example, connect a Pioneer S9 to the computer and use it’s sound card, midi functions etc as normal.
djstefy74 11:36 AM - 8 April, 2018
Or instead of the Rane 72 you can buy a Mixars Duo that have 2 usb ports too for less than 600euros\dollars..But i'm also intrested in Phase,now i'm using a controller(ok 44yrs old and my 1210s+mixer+case start to be a little heavy :) )
But sometimes i like to have some hours of Vinyl feel!,and with Phase and a non expensive mixer(plus..minus the needle cost and the skip risk free..)for me it will be a good solution,for now the few reviews are enthusiastic but i want to see a real review with the final product release
Mikey C 2:07 PM - 8 April, 2018
Lets not forget that the concept behind the Rane 12's have been around for a long time. To me the functionality compares to the original Numark V7, the NS7, the NS7ii and the NS7iii. All had spinning platters, no needles, cue buttons, pitch bend buttons and pitch sliders. Nothing new here.
thorissr 2:32 PM - 8 April, 2018
I agree on all points made here, but let’s not forget the multitude of requests made in the past that “If only a manufacturer would come out with a 12 inch spinning platter similar to the V7/NS7 line people would clobber to purchase it.” Okay now Inmusic is filling that void or past customer demand by offering such product.

I would assume they were in a good position to do so by now owning both Rane and Numark(V7/NS7).Except they knew that with Rane’s reputation (namesake-wise) that they could slap a hefty MAP/MSRP on it and get away with it.

Consumers asked and now it’s here. The question is, is it too late or better yet bad timing if its release with Phase being on the horizon.
popnwave 3:13 PM - 8 April, 2018
LOL there isn't even a Phase street date and you guys are jockin' the damn things.

Does it look cool? Sure, but until the durability and environmental concerns are explained in full detail you're silly to think they will be anything but a demo product.
dj_soo 7:14 PM - 8 April, 2018
I'd rather have the Twelves because I don't have to rely on wireless or battery life, I'd rather have the phase for convenience and price.

At the end of the day, I will likely eventually end up with both, although the phase is more of a priority.
DJ Ozah 10:36 PM - 10 April, 2018
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LOL there isn't even a Phase street date and you guys are jockin' the damn things.

Does it look cool? Sure, but until the durability and environmental concerns are explained in full detail you're silly to think they will be anything but a demo product.



People did the same with Rane for over a year.

Music World Media is the one backing Phase and they have actually released products.
I expect delays and further testing but to be honest if the price really is $300 I'll happily become a beta tester/first adopter. If it flops I have needles.
So Fresh 10:31 AM - 11 April, 2018
Reloop RP-8000 pair - £954
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phase £211 based $ £ conversion probably going to be a bit higher

total - £1165 give or take

rane 12 - a pair for £1398

I really don't play vinyl anymore but have been thinking about taking my vinyl out of storage for many reasons. I have dj808 and amx with a pair of Vestax which I switch up in my home studio but predominantly have the dj808 setup, it's amazing but can make things a little too easy as soulless IMO. I take my dj808 to the little weekly gig I play as I can't get my head around the Nexus2 setup they have + they have sunk the mixer in a bespoke table so i can't cut so I just bring the 808 and it just works! sounds great, not too heavy to carry. They don't have turntables at all currently

if money was no object like all here I would have both but for flexibility, I think phase ( if it's actually any good:) seems like the more sound investment, time will tell but i guess.


For all the reasons mentioned before the 12's seem a bit DOA or beatamax

the closed system currently - serato only

ability to set up in a lot of clubs and bars,i would say 60% of the place I have played in the past 4 years don't have turntables either or space in the booth to accommodate but this is only a problem if you are playing out.

for me, the phase not being a sound card as well so SL box phase combo type thing and the battery life are my main worries.
popnwave 2:27 PM - 11 April, 2018
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the closed system currently - serato only


People are already midi mapping them, so that's bogus.
So Fresh 2:46 PM - 11 April, 2018
that's great to hear, native support from rane would be my preference but I guess its a step
I don't know why I care as I have never used anything else apart from Serato or vinyl but I have played at clubs changing out mixers and its a pain - if you have to change players as well that even worse




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the closed system currently - serato only


People are already midi mapping them, so that's bogus.
popnwave 2:55 PM - 11 April, 2018
Native support for what? They aren't turntables, they are midi/HID devices like any controller.

Are you talking about native Traktor, Rekordbox or VDJ support? Most high end controllers don't do that as is. It's always been about the users reverse engineering stuff. Or maybe VDJ or someone like Algoriddim will add support down the road.
So Fresh 3:25 PM - 11 April, 2018
native midi/HID devices would be amazing, it would make them more appealing to clubs and bars which is what we would all want is it not? I would much prefer a pair of 12s to CDJ's but CDJ's have more natively supported options
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:54 AM - 12 April, 2018
Did they miss a trick by not adding an extra USB socket to the Twelves?

That way one can just daisy chain them instead of bringing USB hubs.

It's them little extras that make a djs live easier.

If each Twelve had a spare USB 3.0 or 2.0 in socket, it will serve as hub for folks who don't have the 72 or any other mixer with USB hubs.
So Fresh 10:35 AM - 12 April, 2018
that's a really good idea with the USB Marv and they should have done that

I think putting the hot cues at the top was a mistake as well, It's probably my favourite thing about controllers, the pads and the positioning are kind of perfect and I see why it has becomes a standard.


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Izzy123 7:26 PM - 13 April, 2018
Just got the email Phase pre-rders start April 25th! I am ready
DJ Ozah 7:31 PM - 13 April, 2018
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Just got the email Phase pre-rders start April 25th! I am ready


That makes two of us.
pdidy 1:23 AM - 14 April, 2018
For future reference my prediction is........

The "PHASE DJ" will flop and be nothing more than a short term gimmicky toy or the "poor man solution" for the Rane 12.
HighTopFade 2:29 AM - 14 April, 2018
Great technology. It would be cool if they're able to make the receiver paper thin and mount it on the bottom side of the vinyl. Or possibly a thicker warp resistant control vinyl with the receiver components integrated. I know there's some of us who use the vinyl label and the spindle to bend.
pdidy 3:12 AM - 14 April, 2018
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I know there's some of us who use the vinyl label and the spindle to bend.

That's one of the flaws that makes me believe it will fail. Great idea but fails in real world use. For example I back spin and juggle using the label area sometimes so I would constantly hit it. The annoyance will make me stop using it after a short period of time.

Making such a large area of the wax off limits is one of the MAJOR reasons the Technics SL-DZ1200 images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com CD player failed.
DJ Ozah 3:37 AM - 14 April, 2018
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I know there's some of us who use the vinyl label and the spindle to bend.

That's one of the flaws that makes me believe it will fail. Great idea but fails in real world use. For example I back spin and juggle using the label area sometimes so I would constantly hit it. The annoyance will make me stop using it after a short period of time.

Making such a large area of the wax off limits is one of the MAJOR reasons the Technics SL-DZ1200 images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com CD player failed.



If World Class DJ's have zero problem using it...I think 99.9% of everyday variety DJ's will be fine. Spend $1,400 on giant MIDI controllers. Or keep using needles. Phase will end up being a best seller. Its one hell of a back up solution if your needles go bad/too much vibration. Or use the needles as a back up which I plan on doing. Hard to see this being a fluke..i suspect the 2nd and 3rd gens to be standard in most DJ's gig bags.
dj zaza 6:04 AM - 14 April, 2018
I am confident in Phase, apart from the comfort, no problems with dust, or broken needles. I do not think it's time to say if it will be a failure, surely it will have a great interest, then we say that it is the first stage of a start, surely the product will evolve, there may be producers who can integrate this technology into the mixers. The 12 are a great product, but surely I would not be comfortable in an evening knowing I only have a midi player. Even the 12 will undergo an evolution. Testing new products and helping manufacturers to improve it is the job of those who work in the field like us, only from that you can understand if a product will have future or not.
Dave-M 8:42 AM - 14 April, 2018
I still don't understand why someone would want to pay $300 to replace control vinyl. It's interesting technology, but it's bulky on the record, you still need turntables to use it and if you forget to charge it, your spur of the moment session is over before it began. Not for me.
So Fresh 10:02 AM - 14 April, 2018
VHS vs Betamax
pdidy 10:25 AM - 14 April, 2018
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The 12 are a great product, but surely I would not be comfortable in an evening knowing I only have a midi player.

dj zaza, Have you ever played on a controller all night ? Yes right ?
dj zaza 2:54 PM - 14 April, 2018
sure that I did evenings with a controller, and I had no problem. I understand what you mean, if you do well in the product do not worry, I appreciate the 12, even if I'm not going to buy them, I'm fine with my 8000 and Phase I think they are a perfect mix, hoping that Serato insert the possibility to use multiple midi products simultaneously without having conflicts, as happens with s9 and reloop.
DJ Matty Stiles 4:33 PM - 14 April, 2018
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although the phase is more of a priority.

no more worn out needles and records! im so amped bro
thorissr 5:07 PM - 14 April, 2018
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although the phase is more of a priority.

no more worn out needles and records! im so amped bro


Im totally looking forward to the release of this product. I feel that it give those who spin frequently or infrequently on TTs a great solid alternative when faced with those instances when you are constantly cleaning and/or changing out needles during a set. Let’s not forget the broken needle syndrome when all of a sudden your waveforms start playing in reverse...lol!! I always keep spare needles with me during a set, and if this product lives up to its expectations, it will definitely pay for itself overtime by not having to purchase as many if any at all $40/needle replacements.

As of lately I’ve began gravitating towards dj products(software/hardware) that specifically allows me to have alternatives, opposed to being locked into a specific ecosystem. In our profession we always preach to be prepared (backup wise) for those instances when your primary gear fails, i.e., needles, decks, computer and so on, and quite frankly this product (in-theory) reinforces this practice.

If it weren’t for the Twelve’s mere existence, I’m pretty sure that there would’ve been fewer pre-conceived notions or doubts made prior to the release of this Phase device. How many times have we heard of fellow forum members constantly bashing a product, pre and post release, and then a couple of months later the same forum members are praising that same product after they purchased it. You can bank on it!!!! :) I say let’s embrace it all and purchase what you feel will serve you best for your specific style, opposed to predicting a product’s fate before it has even been released or recently released.

TJ
DJ Tecniq 5:15 PM - 14 April, 2018
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Just got the email Phase pre-rders start April 25th! I am ready
Co sign
AKIEM 8:49 PM - 14 April, 2018
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If it weren’t for the Twelve’s mere existence, I’m pretty sure that there would’ve been fewer pre-conceived notions or doubts made prior to the release of this Phase device. How many times have we heard of fellow forum members constantly bashing a product, pre and post release, and then a couple of months later the same forum members are praising that same product after they purchased it. You can bank on it!!!! :) I say let’s embrace it all and purchase what you feel will serve you best for your specific style, opposed to predicting a product’s fate before it has even been released or recently released.


nah, I dont think anyone was claiming the Twelve is the 'Phase Killer' lol. There seems to be some sort of animosity toward Rane...
dj_soo 11:23 PM - 14 April, 2018
This last couple weeks has been embarrassing and cringey to read.

Grown adults acting like children arguing whether their Xbox or PlayStation is better.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 2:11 AM - 15 April, 2018
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This last couple weeks has been embarrassing and cringey to read.

Grown adults acting like children arguing whether their Xbox or PlayStation is better.


I just don't understand why they have to shit on the Rane stuff to justify why the want the Phase.

The Rane gear is some dope stuff, if you don't like it don't buy it. Or what really seems to be the issue, if you can't afford it....wit until the price drops.
HighTopFade 2:42 AM - 15 April, 2018
Meh. I'll take them both like a Playstation and a XBox.
DJ Matty Stiles 6:22 AM - 15 April, 2018
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nah, I dont think anyone was claiming the Twelve is the 'Phase Killer' lol. There seems to be some sort of animosity toward Rane...

if anything its an ortofon killer, which is sad
AKIEM 2:39 PM - 15 April, 2018
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This last couple weeks has been embarrassing and cringey to read.

Grown adults acting like children arguing whether their Xbox or PlayStation is better.


dj_soo, never heard of him, must be new here...
DJ Ozah 8:02 PM - 15 April, 2018
Just because someone has a strong opinion either way don't assume its jealousy.That's a weak argument. Or that they can't afford it. Seriously we are not talking about 2 CDJ's and top of the line Pioneer mixer here. That's what 6-7k after tax? Some folks think the Rane 12's are already outdated tech and over priced. Some think Phase is unproven tech that will not live up to hype. Its all opinions folks. Stop assuming folks can't find the coin for your particular brand just because they don't like them lol.
dj_soo 8:31 PM - 15 April, 2018
I plan on getting both, but will go for the phase long before I get the twelves. The phase would be perfect for touring and club gigs where turntables aren’t the best maintained, whereas I already have enough gear for mobile gigs.

Still want the twelves tho.
The Silver Boombox Thief 8:35 PM - 15 April, 2018
Phase will sell 1000 units for every pair of 12’s sold. Cost and market.
Market for phase: everyone that has tables already and wants a normal experience with improved reliability.
Market for 12’s: people looking to replace their turntables that haven’t made the switch to cdj’s or a controller.

For all the “I use the spindles to adjust speed” dj’s: you have to open your eyes. I’m guessing you made the switch to time code and but you can’t modify your technique for the benefits of phase? Come on. As long as it works, it’s going to be dope.

I might just get a pair of 12’s and stick a set of Phase on them to annoy everyone.
AKIEM 10:25 PM - 15 April, 2018
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Just because someone has a strong opinion either way don't assume its jealousy.That's a weak argument. Or that they can't afford it. Seriously we are not talking about 2 CDJ's and top of the line Pioneer mixer here. That's what 6-7k after tax? Some folks think the Rane 12's are already outdated tech and over priced. Some think Phase is unproven tech that will not live up to hype. Its all opinions folks. Stop assuming folks can't find the coin for your particular brand just because they don't like them lol.



if people are mentioning prices affordability must be a factor, how is it not?

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For all the “I use the spindles to adjust speed” dj’s: you have to open your eyes. I’m guessing you made the switch to time code and but you can’t modify your technique for the benefits of phase? Come on. As long as it works, it’s going to be dope.


...and label to backspin.

I would pay thousands and wait years to keep the preferred and best workflow. Phase doesn't offer enough other advantages to change 20 years of habit using the spindle and label. If they press it into a record or whatever, I would pick it up.
dj_soo 11:32 PM - 15 April, 2018
I’m a pitch rider, platter rubber, and label tapper so phase should be good, but I do use the centre on to speed up occasionally.
dj zaza 4:13 AM - 16 April, 2018
I understand that something in the center of vinyl can be annoying for some habits that we have, but we are talking about a first generation, it is obvious that with the experience of DJs and feedback the product can be improved, in the future they can integrate the control on vinyl in a different way, so as to clutter as little as possible. Even the same 12 for some have the shortcomings, which certainly will be improved in a new version. I believe this is just reasoning. The 72 was created based on the feedback of the DJ, going to cover those deficiencies that were on the 62 and S9.
pdidy 5:32 AM - 16 April, 2018
For future reference my prediction is........

Like most gimmicks they are very short lived even if sales are great. I predict within 6 months or less the honeymoon phase will wear off and users like......
DJ Ozah
dj zaza
The Silver Boombox Thief

will have sold their PHASE DJ or are consistently leaving it at home and have reverted back to regular DVS, wax and needles.
dj zaza 5:55 AM - 16 April, 2018
Dj pdidy, you may be right or not, I'll tell you in 6 months or earlier, you must first receive the product, since I think it will take time from pre-orders to delivery. I could invest in 12, but I prefer to stay on Phase right now.
AKIEM 5:57 AM - 16 April, 2018
...and Im not choosing wireless without some super duper advantage.


but reminds me of some dudes super hyped over this Watchwww.youtube.com
dj_soo 7:04 AM - 16 April, 2018
i remember that thing. My buddy bought one and I remember thinking it was cool.

The big minus is it required both the controller and an additional CDJ to hook up.

I think the big advantage of the Phase is the price. $300 isn't a ton, and if it works as advertised, I can see it taking off.

Would still prefer high resolution midi to a control tone tho.
dj zaza 7:19 AM - 16 April, 2018
Sometimes people refuse the news, if Serato had not presented the 12, everyone would have thrown on Phase, from the test videos of the famous DJ DMC I think it is a good product, I seem to go back to discuss when everyone said that the 1200 were irreplaceable, we saw how the story went, plx1000 everywhere, reloop 8000/7000 used by many. We wait for the Phase tests, then we evaluate, now everyone to say that the 12 are better, that with them will change the future, we will see how long the fame of 12 will last, Rane did not propose anything more than other producers had not already proposed in the past, only technology is a step forward today. There is still pioneer that has not moved that much, but I think will make a bang with the new products. Then at the end they all copy, as with smartphones, IPhone with the Notch, all with the notch, Rane midi controller with motorized plate, now everyone will move in that direction.
AKIEM 2:07 PM - 16 April, 2018
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Sometimes people refuse the news, if Serato had not presented the 12, everyone would have thrown on Phase, from the test videos of the famous DJ DMC I think it is a good product, I seem to go back to discuss when everyone said that the 1200 were irreplaceable, we saw how the story went, plx1000 everywhere, reloop 8000/7000 used by many. We wait for the Phase tests, then we evaluate, now everyone to say that the 12 are better, that with them will change the future, we will see how long the fame of 12 will last, Rane did not propose anything more than other producers had not already proposed in the past, only technology is a step forward today. There is still pioneer that has not moved that much, but I think will make a bang with the new products. Then at the end they all copy, as with smartphones, IPhone with the Notch, all with the notch, Rane midi controller with motorized plate, now everyone will move in that direction.



thats fake news. My opinion of Phase has nothing to do with the Twelve.

If all the industry does is copy Pioneer we wouldnt have the Twelve, or Phase, or Serato, or etc.
AKIEM 2:16 PM - 16 April, 2018
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Would still prefer high resolution midi to a control tone tho.


seems like it would have been more useful for other apps as well.
DJ Ozah 3:42 PM - 16 April, 2018
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Phase will sell 1000 units for every pair of 12’s sold. Cost and market.
Market for phase: everyone that has tables already and wants a normal experience with improved reliability.
Market for 12’s: people looking to replace their turntables that haven’t made the switch to cdj’s or a controller.

For all the “I use the spindles to adjust speed” dj’s: you have to open your eyes. I’m guessing you made the switch to time code and but you can’t modify your technique for the benefits of phase? Come on. As long as it works, it’s going to be dope.

I might just get a pair of 12’s and stick a set of Phase on them to annoy everyone.


LOL!!
DJ Ozah 3:47 PM - 16 April, 2018
Have a few updates on Phase DJ.

1.) Remotes not sealed so if rechargeable battery goes bad you can replace it.

2.) Low battery warning via software and blinking led on device.

3.) 2yr warranty

4.) Only 2 adhesive strips per device, will not be selling extras.

Probably better 3rd party options available. 3M etc.
DJ Ozah 3:52 PM - 16 April, 2018
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For future reference my prediction is........

Like most gimmicks they are very short lived even if sales are great. I predict within 6 months or less the honeymoon phase will wear off and users like......
DJ Ozah
dj zaza
The Silver Boombox Thief

will have sold their PHASE DJ or are consistently leaving it at home and have reverted back to regular DVS, wax and needles.



Even if it does not live up to the hype they are great back ups. If a needle goes down or too much vibration etc Phase should fill the gap for the rest of the set.
However I see it being the other way around. Needles as a backup.

Also for the folks complaining about speeding up or slowing down..there are multiple ways to do this ya know. You have 95% of the record or the edge of the platter ( that will rub your finger raw IMO) Or the pitch slider. It's not the end of the world. You can even go right outside the label for tempo change.
Aptidda 4:09 PM - 16 April, 2018
I hope Phase DJ will be compatible with the Rane 12.
So Fresh 4:09 PM - 16 April, 2018
I think a lot of people even if they deny it will be using sync anyway:)
So Fresh 4:11 PM - 16 April, 2018
they will have to make some sort of adaptor for a 12 because to remove that set screw and calibrate every time will be a pain the ass
dj zaza 4:12 PM - 16 April, 2018
Dj Ozah,

I think some talk even before I tried the product, I never speed up the band as long as the center of the vinyl but I use the side of the plate, so I would not give any problem the Phase in the middle, then I do not do Scratch during the my evenings so I just mix it like old school. However, we can return to this subject when some of us have the product in our hands
The Silver Boombox Thief 6:00 PM - 16 April, 2018
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For future reference my prediction is........

Like most gimmicks they are very short lived even if sales are great. I predict within 6 months or less the honeymoon phase will wear off and users like......
DJ Ozah
dj zaza
The Silver Boombox Thief

will have sold their PHASE DJ or are consistently leaving it at home and have reverted back to regular DVS, wax and needles.

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It's only a gimmick if you plan on using a record like a frisbee while you're dj'ing. The concept is legit and I've seen 25+ DJ's that I respect appear interested and curious.

I won't use Phase exclusively to start. Hard enough explaining SSL. I can't wait for the requesters & the "what's this" guests to ask me mid set about the needle not being on the record. We better get ready.
But Phase should be a solid solution for:
The sun warping my cv
On stages that bounce too much
Heavy bass that affects the tracking
Dusty Environments
Turntables with tonearm issues

I'm not worried about forgetting to charge them or wireless issues. Our life is based on batteries and wireless tech. All good around here.

I'm always down for new tech. I was an early adopter of Stanton's Final Scratch. I bought it because I played gigs where I needed music I didn't want to invest in. $10 a track on vinyl from something you might play once wasn't in my budget. Almost all DJ's hated on it from the start and now they're all rocking something new. I know, there's still a few vinyl-only dudes around here.

How many DJ's out there got a 1200 with a busted tonearm?

Maybe down the road, Rane will offer a price point analog turntable with no tonearm and their own version of Phase. The market isn't ready for that today, but maybe in a few years?

This is a dope solution to common problems, as was Final Scratch.
AKIEM 11:04 PM - 16 April, 2018
Sounds perfect excuse for promoters to put you in bad locations and club owners to let their turntables deteriorate to crap.

some DJ's don't need to try it to know not being able to touch the label area won't work for them.

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Also for the folks complaining about speeding up or slowing down..there are multiple ways to do this ya know. You have 95% of the record or the edge of the platter ( that will rub your finger raw IMO) Or the pitch slider. It's not the end of the world. You can even go right outside the label for tempo change.


That's true, but the question is why do that if you don't have to? Why limit your available technique? why change your workflow, tons of practice, relearn muscle memory when you could just drop the needles down? quit using the optimal system, for what?

If Serato Scratchlive dropped and said but you CAN'T play just like you normally do - it would have went nowhere
dj_soo 11:08 PM - 16 April, 2018
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Sounds perfect excuse for promoters to put you in bad locations and club owners to let their turntables deteriorate to crap.


Tables have been deteriorating in clubs long before the phase was announced.
AKIEM 12:00 AM - 17 April, 2018
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Sounds perfect excuse for promoters to put you in bad locations and club owners to let their turntables deteriorate to crap.


Tables have been deteriorating in clubs long before the phase was announced.


That's true, and it will only get worse when they hear about some gizmo that let's you play on crap decks. (and costs them nothing)
DJ Ozah 1:12 AM - 17 April, 2018
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Sounds perfect excuse for promoters to put you in bad locations and club owners to let their turntables deteriorate to crap.

some DJ's don't need to try it to know not being able to touch the label area won't work for them.

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Also for the folks complaining about speeding up or slowing down..there are multiple ways to do this ya know. You have 95% of the record or the edge of the platter ( that will rub your finger raw IMO) Or the pitch slider. It's not the end of the world. You can even go right outside the label for tempo change.


That's true, but the question is why do that if you don't have to? Why limit your available technique? why change your workflow, tons of practice, relearn muscle memory when you could just drop the needles down? quit using the optimal system, for what?

If Serato Scratchlive dropped and said but you CAN'T play just like you normally do - it would have went nowhere


Ah didn't realise it was so life altering. This seems more like an audiophile argument instead of a DJ problem. It's not like they moved the crossfader or made the line faders go horizontal. Maybe its just me but I tried to learn multiple ways to do things when DJ'n. You never know when a situation calls for it. Like say a club is rocking Phase on some Techs missing their tone arms. You just not gonna play? Or what if they have Rane 12's but I use needles? Not gonna play? Samething for CDJ's. Just seems like an irrational argument against technology advancements. Like SL vs SDJ. CDJ vs XDJ. Serato vs RBDJ. Vinyl vs CV tech. Jazzy Jeff said it best adapt or get left behind.
dj_soo 2:59 AM - 17 April, 2018
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Sounds perfect excuse for promoters to put you in bad locations and club owners to let their turntables deteriorate to crap.


Tables have been deteriorating in clubs long before the phase was announced.


That's true, and it will only get worse when they hear about some gizmo that let's you play on crap decks. (and costs them nothing)


There's so few of us using turntables regularly nowadays, I'm not going to hold my breathe honestly.

Sure, someone like Q Bert or A Trak can have 6 decks on their rider to ensure they get 2 good ones, but I'm not them and I play on what's available, but I still hate playing on CDJs and I'm certainly not going to pack up my turntables when I go on tour or play festivals.

Unfortunately, CDJs and controllers are the majority unless you're in specific scenes like hip hop or turntablism.
AKIEM 3:27 PM - 17 April, 2018
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Sounds perfect excuse for promoters to put you in bad locations and club owners to let their turntables deteriorate to crap.

some DJ's don't need to try it to know not being able to touch the label area won't work for them.

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Also for the folks complaining about speeding up or slowing down..there are multiple ways to do this ya know. You have 95% of the record or the edge of the platter ( that will rub your finger raw IMO) Or the pitch slider. It's not the end of the world. You can even go right outside the label for tempo change.


That's true, but the question is why do that if you don't have to? Why limit your available technique? why change your workflow, tons of practice, relearn muscle memory when you could just drop the needles down? quit using the optimal system, for what?

If Serato Scratchlive dropped and said but you CAN'T play just like you normally do - it would have went nowhere


Ah didn't realise it was so life altering. This seems more like an audiophile argument instead of a DJ problem.


***blank stare***
(stole)

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It's not like they moved the crossfader or made the line faders go horizontal.
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Maybe its just me but I tried to learn multiple ways to do things when DJ'n. You never know when a situation calls for it. Like say a club is rocking Phase on some Techs missing their tone arms. You just not gonna play?
no. I'm not going to play. I don't play on broken equipment.

nice try, trying to make this about my personal ability.

I *can play on CDJs. I *can play on controllers. I *can play on INT mode.

notice the word CAN. But I choose to use turntables, not because I have to.

And that's the same with the turntable. I can play without touching the label and spindle, but I *choose not to.

I used to think using the spindle looked funny. But back in about 1998 I learned that you can get better precision control. So I have chosen to use that technique because it's better.

So again, why would I ever limit the tools I have available? Why would I choose less pressicion?

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Or what if they have Rane 12's but I use needles? Not gonna play?
If you need needles to do Theodore type needle drop routine then it would be dumb to play with no needles.

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Samething for CDJ's. Just seems like an irrational argument against technology advancements. Like SL vs SDJ. CDJ vs XDJ. Serato vs RBDJ. Vinyl vs CV tech. Jazzy Jeff said it best adapt or get left behind.


lol @ the tired technology argument

Jazzy Jeff ain't doing shows with Phase DJ. lmao. Like hes going to "adapt" to the label being a danger zone. You think he is going to "adapt" his routine with those backspins? youtu.be

and he ain't playing on any broke turntables - lmao
The Silver Boombox Thief 3:47 PM - 17 April, 2018
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Ah didn't realise it was so life altering. This seems more like an audiophile argument instead of a DJ problem. It's not like they moved the crossfader or made the line faders go horizontal. Maybe its just me but I tried to learn multiple ways to do things when DJ'n. You never know when a situation calls for it. Like say a club is rocking Phase on some Techs missing their tone arms. You just not gonna play? Or what if they have Rane 12's but I use needles? Not gonna play? Samething for CDJ's. Just seems like an irrational argument against technology advancements. Like SL vs SDJ. CDJ vs XDJ. Serato vs RBDJ. Vinyl vs CV tech. Jazzy Jeff said it best adapt or get left behind.


Exactly.
Goal: rock the place
How: find a way
AKIEM 4:01 PM - 17 April, 2018
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Exactly.
Goal: rock the place
How: find the best way


I helped you out there.
The Silver Boombox Thief 4:09 PM - 17 April, 2018
Jazzy Jeff ain't doing shows with Phase DJ. lmao. Like hes going to "adapt" to the label being a danger zone. You think he is going to "adapt" his routine with those backspins? youtu.be


Jazzy Jeff has been adapting since he was hanging out with the Fresh Prince. He’ll support Phase and the 12’s.
AKIEM 4:17 PM - 17 April, 2018
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Jazzy Jeff ain't doing shows with Phase DJ. lmao. Like hes going to "adapt" to the label being a danger zone. You think he is going to "adapt" his routine with those backspins? youtu.be


Jazzy Jeff has been adapting since he was hanging out with the Fresh Prince. He’ll support Phase and the 12’s.


Jeff obviously embraces new technology, adapts and advances. Again, what would the ADVANTAGE be for adapting here? Because his needles might break, because they might give him a broken Hanpin?

I don't doubt he would have good things to say about Phase DJ. But he's not going to adopt it and change his technique - imo.

Again, what's the advantage?
Aptidda 4:19 PM - 17 April, 2018
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Jazzy Jeff ain't doing shows with Phase DJ. lmao. Like hes going to "adapt" to the label being a danger zone. You think he is going to "adapt" his routine with those backspins? youtu.be


Jazzy Jeff has been adapting since he was hanging out with the Fresh Prince. He’ll support Phase and the 12’s.


Jeff obviously embraces new technology, adapts and advances. Again, what would the ADVANTAGE be for adapting here? Because his needles might break, because they might give him a broken Hanpin?

I don't doubt he would have good things to say about Phase DJ. But he's not going to adopt it and change his technique - imo.

Again, what's the advantage?



This, and Jeff has Shure and Ortofon sending him truckloads of stylus on a daily basis. Phase will be "Phased Out" in no time. Until they figure out how to integrate that stupid thingy you put over the center label, Phase is dead to me.
So Fresh 4:26 PM - 17 April, 2018
Jeff hardly touches the centre of the vinyl on that routine

I think it was a bad example

Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com
So Fresh 4:29 PM - 17 April, 2018
it's just another tool and in some ways more flexible

cross-platform and still allows a person to play vinyl which is great

the videos above show the best of the best juggling scratching without missing a beat
AKIEM 5:03 PM - 17 April, 2018
I didn't bring up Jeff as an example. I just know he uses that area. But again - what advantage?

Is he out using it?


more flexible than what?
So Fresh 5:21 PM - 17 April, 2018
A rane 12
AKIEM 5:24 PM - 17 April, 2018
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that remains to be seen.

what apps does Phase DJ work with?
So Fresh 5:27 PM - 17 April, 2018
All DVS according to the Namm announcement

He’s not out using it that might have something to do with it not being released yet.

As far advantages -

portability
Price
Cross platform
Ability to use the deck for vinyl
So Fresh 5:52 PM - 17 April, 2018
Abilty to have dvs vinyl needles as a back up



Don’t get me wrong the 12’s look amazing but I think phase will be popular and in a lot of dj’s bags
Despo 11:43 PM - 17 April, 2018
you guys forgot about the biggest advantage:

No rumble or bass distorting the signal.

And for the label area, that's called a tradeoff and you can either live with it or you can't in which case you dont buy phase.

but who says you can't use the label area anymore? hell if phase sticks hard enough to the record you could push and pull the phase device itself to slow or speed up the record, that would be an entirely new technique even more effective than the spindle lol
pdidy 12:25 AM - 18 April, 2018
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but who says you can't use the label area anymore? hell if phase sticks hard enough to the record you could push and pull the phase device itself to slow or speed up the record, that would be an entirely new technique even more effective than the spindle

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AKIEM 2:38 AM - 18 April, 2018
wtf? dudes are reaching all over the place.

So, it's a way to deal with broken techs with some drawbacks and tradeoffs. THAT is not 'blowing the TWELVE outta the water'. The truth is that you would rather have a pair of Rane Twelves in front of you (or at least some maintained 1200s)

Portability
Not if there are no decks to begin with, if you transport yours it's the same.

Price
Sure. If dudes would just admit the major factor was affordability we wouldn't have all this reaching and anamosity toward what you actually want.

Cross platform
My understanding is the 12s midi is generic and therefor cross platform. possibly even usable with more platforms.

Ability to use the deck for vinyl
(not if it's busted) OK. but there is a mod for that if necessary.

Bass Feedback
I don't know why people think bass isn't going to rumble Phase transmitters. (maybe it's only one vector instead of two)


OK, if you are touring and can't make rider demands for good working order 1200s (better yet 12s) on deck. Then sure it makes some kind of sense. As much sense as having a small controller with you... If you are forced to play on crap deck installs, yes it makes sense. But that's not 'destroying Rane' lmao

You know what makes more sense? Telll the club owner to fix that shit or invest in some decent decks, some TWELVES. Why are you footing the bill?

And all these broken 1200s you trust the platter? What happens when the pitch fails and the speed jumps around?
DJ Ozah 3:23 AM - 18 April, 2018
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wtf? dudes are reaching all over the place.

So, it's a way to deal with broken techs with some drawbacks and tradeoffs. THAT is not 'blowing the TWELVE outta the water'. The truth is that you would rather have a pair of Rane Twelves in front of you (or at least some maintained 1200s)

Portability
Not if there are no decks to begin with, if you transport yours it's the same.



Price
Sure. If dudes would just admit the major factor was affordability we wouldn't have all this reaching and anamosity toward what you actually want.

Cross platform
My understanding is the 12s midi is generic and therefor cross platform. possibly even usable with more platforms.

Ability to use the deck for vinyl
(not if it's busted) OK. but there is a mod for that if necessary.

Bass Feedback
I don't know why people think bass isn't going to rumble Phase transmitters. (maybe it's only one vector instead of two)


OK, if you are touring and can't make rider demands for good working order 1200s (better yet 12s) on deck. Then sure it makes some kind of sense. As much sense as having a small controller with you... If you are forced to play on crap deck installs, yes it makes sense. But that's not 'destroying Rane' lmao

You know what makes more sense? Telll the club owner to fix that shit or invest in some decent decks, some TWELVES. Why are you footing the bill?

And all these broken 1200s you trust the platter? What happens when the pitch fails and the speed jumps around?



You should read up on Phase. Its wireless. Bass rumble transmits through the needle/cartiage which interferes with the CV tone. That's impossible with Phase DJ. The Bass would literally have to be strong enough to stop the platter movement. That kinda decibel level would probaby kill anyone infront of it lol. Don't take our word for it...tons of well known DJ's are shocked at the technology. I guess only time will tell.
The Silver Boombox Thief 4:01 AM - 18 April, 2018
Dj’s I know buying a pair of 12’s: 0
Dj’s I know that are extremely curious about Phase: every one of them.

Outside of unknown dj’s on this forum, I haven’t seen one negative comment about Phase.
pdidy 4:43 AM - 18 April, 2018
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Dj’s I know buying a pair of 12’s: 0

That only means that the dj's YOU know are broke.......nothing more lol
So Fresh 6:04 AM - 18 April, 2018
Empty vessels make the most noise





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you guys forgot about the biggest advantage:

No rumble or bass distorting the signal.

And for the label area, that's called a tradeoff and you can either live with it or you can't in which case you dont buy phase.

but who says you can't use the label area anymore? hell if phase sticks hard enough to the record you could push and pull the phase device itself to slow or speed up the record, that would be an entirely new technique even more effective than the spindle lol
AKIEM 6:32 AM - 18 April, 2018
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wtf? dudes are reaching all over the place.

So, it's a way to deal with broken techs with some drawbacks and tradeoffs. THAT is not 'blowing the TWELVE outta the water'. The truth is that you would rather have a pair of Rane Twelves in front of you (or at least some maintained 1200s)

Portability
Not if there are no decks to begin with, if you transport yours it's the same.



Price
Sure. If dudes would just admit the major factor was affordability we wouldn't have all this reaching and anamosity toward what you actually want.

Cross platform
My understanding is the 12s midi is generic and therefor cross platform. possibly even usable with more platforms.

Ability to use the deck for vinyl
(not if it's busted) OK. but there is a mod for that if necessary.

Bass Feedback
I don't know why people think bass isn't going to rumble Phase transmitters. (maybe it's only one vector instead of two)


OK, if you are touring and can't make rider demands for good working order 1200s (better yet 12s) on deck. Then sure it makes some kind of sense. As much sense as having a small controller with you... If you are forced to play on crap deck installs, yes it makes sense. But that's not 'destroying Rane' lmao

You know what makes more sense? Telll the club owner to fix that shit or invest in some decent decks, some TWELVES. Why are you footing the bill?

And all these broken 1200s you trust the platter? What happens when the pitch fails and the speed jumps around?



You should read up on Phase. Its wireless. Bass rumble transmits through the needle/cartiage which interferes with the CV tone. That's impossible with Phase DJ. The Bass would literally have to be strong enough to stop the platter movement. That kinda decibel level would probaby kill anyone infront of it lol. Don't take our word for it...tons of well known DJ's are shocked at the technology. I guess only time will tell.


lmao that sounds only slightly more reasonable than claiming wireless mics wont feedback *because they are wireless* thats that guitar center sales type info.

stop the plater? lmao what? - no, more like vibrate the phase transmitter. Its probably better than DVS like I said, but If you are still having problems with DVS anyway - then anything is possible - I guess.
DJ Tecniq 6:54 AM - 18 April, 2018
I’m looking forward to actually attempting to juggle without needles jumping or shitty warped Serato vinyl...💯
DJ Ozah 7:25 AM - 18 April, 2018
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wtf? dudes are reaching all over the place.

So, it's a way to deal with broken techs with some drawbacks and tradeoffs. THAT is not 'blowing the TWELVE outta the water'. The truth is that you would rather have a pair of Rane Twelves in front of you (or at least some maintained 1200s)

Portability
Not if there are no decks to begin with, if you transport yours it's the same.



Price
Sure. If dudes would just admit the major factor was affordability we wouldn't have all this reaching and anamosity toward what you actually want.

Cross platform
My understanding is the 12s midi is generic and therefor cross platform. possibly even usable with more platforms.

Ability to use the deck for vinyl
(not if it's busted) OK. but there is a mod for that if necessary.

Bass Feedback
I don't know why people think bass isn't going to rumble Phase transmitters. (maybe it's only one vector instead of two)


OK, if you are touring and can't make rider demands for good working order 1200s (better yet 12s) on deck. Then sure it makes some kind of sense. As much sense as having a small controller with you... If you are forced to play on crap deck installs, yes it makes sense. But that's not 'destroying Rane' lmao

You know what makes more sense? Telll the club owner to fix that shit or invest in some decent decks, some TWELVES. Why are you footing the bill?

And all these broken 1200s you trust the platter? What happens when the pitch fails and the speed jumps around?



You should read up on Phase. Its wireless. Bass rumble transmits through the needle/cartiage which interferes with the CV tone. That's impossible with Phase DJ. The Bass would literally have to be strong enough to stop the platter movement. That kinda decibel level would probaby kill anyone infront of it lol. Don't take our word for it...tons of well known DJ's are shocked at the technology. I guess only time will tell.


lmao that sounds only slightly more reasonable than claiming wireless mics wont feedback *because they are wireless* thats that guitar center sales type info.

stop the plater? lmao what? - no, more like vibrate the phase transmitter. Its probably better than DVS like I said, but If you are still having problems with DVS anyway - then anything is possible - I guess.



Ok its clear you are trolling or don't really know how Phase works. Your comments about vibrating transmitters is a dead giveaway. At least stop by the FAQ section on their website before making wild assumptions.
DJ Ozah 7:28 AM - 18 April, 2018
I do wonder how they got around the copyright/trademark issues... Technically Serato and RBDJ use slightly diff tones etc. I guess its ok to mimic? Second will this be an official Serato backed product. I could ask but I'm not sure Phase DJ would answer them just yet.
dj_soo 8:33 AM - 18 April, 2018
It's a reversed engineer control tone - so not the official one. The older Denon CDJs that utilized "hybrid mode" also did a similar thing.

You can tell because in the demo's the bar is entirely red despite tracking perfectly (the denon is the same way).
DJ Ozah 12:18 PM - 18 April, 2018
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It's a reversed engineer control tone - so not the official one. The older Denon CDJs that utilized "hybrid mode" also did a similar thing.

You can tell because in the demo's the bar is entirely red despite tracking perfectly (the denon is the same way).



Great Find!!! Had no idea.
AKIEM 1:45 PM - 18 April, 2018
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Great Find!!! Had no idea.

exactly, you dont know what you are talking about

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Ok its clear you are trolling or don't really know how Phase works. Your comments about vibrating transmitters is a dead giveaway. At least stop by the FAQ section on their website before making wild assumptions.


Its simple. If the bass vibrates the Phase transmitters that movement will be registered and passed to the software. It should not be a problem, but dumb people do dumb things. It should not be a problem with DVS ether, but again, dumb people do dumb things. It should not be a problem with controllers ether, but again, dumb people do dumb things.

This is what you are talking about?

Phase completely overrides any form of external disruption (rumble, defective equipment...etc.). There is no risk to erod the signal anymore, because the signal is digitally generated by Phase.

False Claim (and spelling error). Its probably better than DVS, but compared to TWELVES, (without testing) it would probably be comparable. Again, the transmitter is registering even slight movement, that would include vibration from bass (tho only laterally I assume). And just because that movement is *digitally transmitted* doesn't mean anything. If it is not high enough resolution to send bass rumble, it would not even work.

I understand why they might make that claim, but they shouldn't use the word "completely" and they should say 'compared to analog vinyl players' because controllers DO have this problem.

But as far as compared to a TWELVE (unless an actual defect) you get 0 points here.


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It's a reversed engineer control tone - so not the official one. The older Denon CDJs that utilized "hybrid mode" also did a similar thing.

You can tell because in the demo's the bar is entirely red despite tracking perfectly (the denon is the same way).


I doubt its reverse engineered (that would be copyright infringement). Its known Serato reads a 1K tone for 'forward backward' movement. 1k tone cant be copyrighted. The IP part is white noise as a map which transmits location data. Phase obviously cant transmit that. So it will be all red bar because there is no Noise Map.
DJ Ozah 8:19 PM - 18 April, 2018
Uh oh..seems someone got their feelings hurt lol.

The current Serato control signal is most definitely a creative work. I should know, since I created it. There are two elements to the creative nature of the work. One is the content, akin to the "words" in a traditional copyright sense, the other is the presentation. Both the content and its presentation were chosen from a virtual infinity of options, but there was no specific technical requirement to use the particular sequence of bits in the CV02 noisemap, nor specifically a 1kHz pilot tone, nor the particular presentation of the bits. Certainly the choices were informed by wishes for the signal to fit within certain parameters under "duress", but ultimately the choices were creative.

The US Copyright registration is SR 624-955.

Look at what I found. Not bad for a guy that doesn't know anything :)

I like how you accuse Phase DJ of fraud yet you have never seen nor tested said product. "false claim" did you manage to get the blueprints and technical data before product launch?
Anyway enough of your trolling behavior. If you don't want it don't buy it. And please don't get salty when your favorite DJ's start using it. From the looks of all the videos online during their testing phase they seem sold. But hey it's probably all fake news.
slimmjimm 8:50 PM - 18 April, 2018
Just to get into this convo as a Twelve owner and someone who is interested in Phase, I think I saw a bit of movement when my platter was stopped with the bass. The flip side is that my bass was louder than normal because I wasn’t afraid of the interference.

I’ll try and remember to take a video if I notice it again.
AKIEM 8:54 PM - 18 April, 2018
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Uh oh..seems someone got their feelings hurt lol.
the only feeling hurt was when u seen that 12 retail price😂

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The current Serato control signal is most definitely a creative work. I should know, since I created it. There are two elements to the creative nature of the work. One is the content, akin to the "words" in a traditional copyright sense, the other is the presentation. Both the content and its presentation were chosen from a virtual infinity of options, but there was no specific technical requirement to use the particular sequence of bits in the CV02 noisemap, nor specifically a 1kHz pilot tone, nor the particular presentation of the bits. Certainly the choices were informed by wishes for the signal to fit within certain parameters under "duress", but ultimately the choices were creative.

The US Copyright registration is SR 624-955.
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Look at what I found. Not bad for a guy that doesn't know anything :)
... but you don't know how to use quotes. but good job proving what I said, I should be impressed

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I like how you accuse Phase DJ of fraud yet you have never seen nor tested said product. "false claim" did you manage to get the blueprints and technical data before product launch?
I don't have to, it's called physics and reason.

ether way. how is that better than the TWELVE?

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Anyway enough of your trolling behavior. If you don't want it don't buy it. And please don't get salty when your favorite DJ's start using it. From the looks of all the videos online during their testing phase they seem sold. But hey it's probably all fake news.


it's promotional for the company. and I'm my favorite DJ - not sold, sorry. interesting product, should be developed, but it's not something I need.
Aptidda 8:59 PM - 18 April, 2018
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Just to get into this convo as a Twelve owner and someone who is interested in Phase, I think I saw a bit of movement when my platter was stopped with the bass. The flip side is that my bass was louder than normal because I wasn’t afraid of the interference.

I’ll try and remember to take a video if I notice it again.


well of course if the platter is stopped any sort of movement from the platter or vinyl is going to respond. If you were outside with the unit stopped and the wind blew too hard and moved the platter it would move.

I think what we are trying to determine here is when the platter isn't "Stopped". As in while the turntable is rotation will Phase be effected? Yes, if the bass is enough to move the vinyl it will be effected. If some A hole comes up and smacks his hand on the table where the turntable is with phase and the vinyl jumps (which has happened) it will be effected. Not so much on a 12 though.
AKIEM 9:06 PM - 18 April, 2018
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well of course if the platter is stopped any sort of movement from the platter or vinyl is going to respond. If you were outside with the unit stopped and the wind blew too hard and moved the platter it would move.

I think what we are trying to determine here is when the platter isn't "Stopped". As in while the turntable is rotation will Phase be effected? Yes, if the bass is enough to move the vinyl it will be effected. If some A hole comes up and smacks his hand on the table where the turntable is with phase and the vinyl jumps (which has happened) it will be effected. Not so much on a 12 though.


I think it's pretty obvious.... sigh

completely overrides any form of external disruption

not
pdidy 10:22 PM - 18 April, 2018
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The current Serato control signal is most definitely a creative work. I should know, since I created it.

Does that mean exactly, are you connected in some way too phase dj?
pdidy 10:24 PM - 18 April, 2018
what Does that mean exactly........
DJ Ozah 1:57 AM - 19 April, 2018
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what Does that mean exactly........



It was a quote from a previous poster. I wonder if the person still works at Serato. Claimed to be the creator of the noisemap/tone
The Silver Boombox Thief 5:30 AM - 19 April, 2018
I’m beginning to think 1/2 the people on Serato forums don’t dj or at least have no experience outside of their bedroom.

The wind will not affect a turntable.
Vibration will have a tiny affect on a stopped tt. Most dj already have the fader down so its never an issue.
If someone “smacks”?? the table you’re dj’ing on?. Is this really happening enough to even mention? And, I don’t think it would affect Phase’s signal or be audible.

Phase isn’t supposed to be better than a 12. It’s a different solution to common problems, and it works on everyone’s existing turntables.

And @ pdidy - your trash talking game is garbage. You’re like a middle school kid telling someone they can’t afford a bigger tv and thinking it’s a diss. Might as well elevate the argument and have your dad call my parents to work this out. See you at the bus stop in the morning.
pdidy 7:25 AM - 19 April, 2018
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what Does that mean exactly........



It was a quote from a previous poster. I wonder if the person still works at Serato. Claimed to be the creator of the noisemap/tone

Okay cool but can you use quotes so everyone reading the discussion can properly follow you thanks.
pdidy 7:34 AM - 19 April, 2018
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And @ pdidy - your trash talking game is garbage. You’re like a middle school kid telling someone they can’t afford a bigger tv and thinking it’s a diss. Might as well elevate the argument and have your dad call my parents to work this out. See you at the bus stop in the morning.

That was joke but I do understand how sometimes over the Internet it doesn't come across properly........

But now I'm curious........ are you and the company that you keep broke?
So Fresh 8:13 AM - 19 April, 2018
no pdidy cut one's coat according to one's cloth

not everyone needs a set of 12s and 72 to rock a crowd
DJ Ozah 1:04 PM - 19 April, 2018
"The current Serato control signal is most definitely a creative work. I should know, since I created it. There are two elements to the creative nature of the work. One is the content, akin to the "words" in a traditional copyright sense, the other is the presentation. Both the content and its presentation were chosen from a virtual infinity of options, but there was no specific technical requirement to use the particular sequence of bits in the CV02 noisemap, nor specifically a 1kHz pilot tone, nor the particular presentation of the bits. Certainly the choices were informed by wishes for the signal to fit within certain parameters under "duress", but ultimately the choices were creative."

The US Copyright registration is SR 624-955

The above was from a Serato tagged user in a previous post. Sorry for the confusion.
AKIEM 1:12 PM - 19 April, 2018
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I’m beginning to think 1/2 the people on Serato forums don’t dj or at least have no experience outside of their bedroom.

Nothing wrong with starting out in a bedroom.

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The wind will not affect a turntable.

really? you don't think the wind can flip a record right up off a turntable?

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Vibration will have a tiny affect on a stopped tt. Most dj already have the fader down so its never an issue.


it's honestly amazing to see someone say that.

how wrong can you be?

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If someone “smacks”?? the table you’re dj’ing on?. Is this really happening enough to even mention? And, I don’t think it would affect Phase’s signal or be audible.

Phase isn’t supposed to be better than a 12. It’s a different solution to common problems, and it works on everyone’s existing turntables.
Yeah, exactly

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And @ pdidy - your trash talking game is garbage. You’re like a middle school kid telling someone they can’t afford a bigger tv and thinking it’s a diss. Might as well elevate the argument and have your dad call my parents to work this out. See you at the bus stop in the morning.


how long have you even been out the bedroom bro?
AKIEM 1:15 PM - 19 April, 2018
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"The current Serato control signal is most definitely a creative work. I should know, since I created it. There are two elements to the creative nature of the work. One is the content, akin to the "words" in a traditional copyright sense, the other is the presentation. Both the content and its presentation were chosen from a virtual infinity of options, but there was no specific technical requirement to use the particular sequence of bits in the CV02 noisemap, nor specifically a 1kHz pilot tone, nor the particular presentation of the bits. Certainly the choices were informed by wishes for the signal to fit within certain parameters under "duress", but ultimately the choices were creative."

The US Copyright registration is SR 624-955

The above was from a Serato tagged user in a previous post. Sorry for the confusion.


customary to add a link too
Aptidda 3:13 PM - 19 April, 2018
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I’m beginning to think 1/2 the people on Serato forums don’t dj or at least have no experience outside of their bedroom.

Nothing wrong with starting out in a bedroom.

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The wind will not affect a turntable.

really? you don't think the wind can flip a record right up off a turntable?

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Vibration will have a tiny affect on a stopped tt. Most dj already have the fader down so its never an issue.


it's honestly amazing to see someone say that.

how wrong can you be?

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If someone “smacks”?? the table you’re dj’ing on?. Is this really happening enough to even mention? And, I don’t think it would affect Phase’s signal or be audible.

Phase isn’t supposed to be better than a 12. It’s a different solution to common problems, and it works on everyone’s existing turntables.
Yeah, exactly

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And @ pdidy - your trash talking game is garbage. You’re like a middle school kid telling someone they can’t afford a bigger tv and thinking it’s a diss. Might as well elevate the argument and have your dad call my parents to work this out. See you at the bus stop in the morning.


how long have you even been out the bedroom bro?


Amen!
05spoof 3:18 PM - 19 April, 2018
The twelve should have been a standalone media player with sdj pro built in. It would get rid of the lag that usb presents. Being that Rane is now inmusic.. it would have been the natural choice for them to release the sucessor to Denon’s motrized media players.
So Fresh 6:47 PM - 19 April, 2018
instagram.com

Looks pretty promising to me
So Fresh 9:12 PM - 19 April, 2018
Oh dear, Looks like rane blew themselves out the water
Chino 9:27 PM - 19 April, 2018
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The twelve should have been a standalone media player with sdj pro built in


+1. I would love to see a SDJ Pro embedded media player!!
Mutis Mayfield 11:13 AM - 20 April, 2018
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The twelve should have been a standalone media player with sdj pro built in


+1. I would love to see a SDJ Pro embedded media player!!


cdm.link

cdm.link
AKIEM 1:51 PM - 20 April, 2018
...they should put audio in/outs, usb sd reader, hard drive, Akai pads, touch screen, cut fader, eq... on the 12... right?

(hard to tell when people are joking these days)
AKIEM 1:53 PM - 20 April, 2018
usb/sd reader on the Phase box might be something tho.
You could load your own scratch samples... or control signal...
Chino 2:30 PM - 20 April, 2018
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usb/sd reader on the Phase box might be something tho.
You could load your own scratch samples... or control signal...


Personally, I'll like the next evolution of Phase to be built into a mixer and/or turntable/media player. (Yes, I'm already thinking about what comes next even though Phase has not been officially released yet!)

Not having to connect a receiver box, or any RCA/USB wires etc. would be very convenient for mobile DJs.
DJ Tecniq 6:23 PM - 20 April, 2018
Rane Twelve has been recalled. Phase is going to sky rocket. Putting my preorder in soon🙌🏼
DJ Ozah 8:15 PM - 20 April, 2018
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Rane Twelve has been recalled. Phase is going to sky rocket. Putting my preorder in soon🙌🏼



If Phase has to be recalled no big deal. Pull out my needles and keep it moving. There are some really upset folks who's only rig is the 12's. Kinda messed up you can't update all firmware via usb.
AKIEM 10:13 PM - 20 April, 2018
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Rane Twelve has been recalled. Phase is going to sky rocket. Putting my preorder in soon🙌🏼



If Phase has to be recalled no big deal. Pull out my needles and keep it moving. There are some really upset folks who's only rig is the 12's. Kinda messed up you can't update all firmware via usb.


how are you going to pull out needles if you sold them to buy Phase?

12 is user updatable, just not the motor.
DJ Ozah 11:53 PM - 20 April, 2018
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Rane Twelve has been recalled. Phase is going to sky rocket. Putting my preorder in soon🙌🏼



If Phase has to be recalled no big deal. Pull out my needles and keep it moving. There are some really upset folks who's only rig is the 12's. Kinda messed up you can't update all firmware via usb.




how are you going to pull out needles if you sold them to buy Phase?

12 is user updatable, just not the motor.


Who buys used needles? Who sells used needles lmao. That's hilarious. My needles will stay attatched to my tone arms or in a case in my bag.
AKIEM 2:50 PM - 21 April, 2018
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Rane Twelve has been recalled. Phase is going to sky rocket. Putting my preorder in soon🙌🏼



If Phase has to be recalled no big deal. Pull out my needles and keep it moving. There are some really upset folks who's only rig is the 12's. Kinda messed up you can't update all firmware via usb.




how are you going to pull out needles if you sold them to buy Phase?

12 is user updatable, just not the motor.


Who buys used needles? Who sells used needles lmao. That's hilarious. My needles will stay attatched to my tone arms or in a case in my bag.


You never heard of ebay? really?

put your needles on ebay, couple more items... boom you got enough to pre-order Phase right now.
DJ Ozah 4:24 PM - 21 April, 2018
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Rane Twelve has been recalled. Phase is going to sky rocket. Putting my preorder in soon🙌🏼



If Phase has to be recalled no big deal. Pull out my needles and keep it moving. There are some really upset folks who's only rig is the 12's. Kinda messed up you can't update all firmware via usb.



how are you going to pull out needles if you sold them to buy Phase?

12 is user updatable, just not the motor.


Who buys used needles? Who sells used needles lmao. That's hilarious. My needles will stay attatched to my tone arms or in a case in my bag.


You never heard of ebay? really?

put your needles on ebay, couple more items... boom you got enough to pre-order Phase right now.



Selling my needles defeats the purpose. The whole point is to keep them as a back up. That's one of the main advantages of Phase. A back up that's light and portable. Either needles or Phase. Personally I plan on using Phase as primary. The lack of lag/sticker drift should be fun.
So Fresh 4:29 PM - 21 April, 2018
Ozah don't engage

the guys an idiot and very liable to shoot up a school or worse

he loves the 12's and thinks they're the best and phase is shit

most people on here are not idiots so don't waste your time
AKIEM 11:45 PM - 21 April, 2018
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Selling my needles defeats the purpose. The whole point is to keep them as a back up. That's one of the main advantages of Phase. A back up that's light and portable. Either needles or Phase. Personally I plan on using Phase as primary. The lack of lag/sticker drift should be fun.


Back up, exactly. You think dudes sold their only decks to pre-order a 12 and sat there with all that down time? Who doesn't have a back up solution?
AKIEM 11:49 PM - 21 April, 2018
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Ozah don't engage

the guys an idiot and very liable to shoot up a school or worse
that's a pretty serious allegation - ur that mad over an dj equipment discussion? really?


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he loves the 12's and thinks they're the best and phase is shit

most people on here are not idiots so don't waste your time


No I don't think Phase is shit. I think it's interesting, and admirable - salute the developers. And it should continue to be developed, it's just not something I would use or think is as useful as people believe. And its not comparable to a Twelve.

If all you have is a broken 1200 and $299 fine. If you keep having to accept broken turntables, ok.

But my bet is you would rather have a brand new Twelve in front of you or at least some working 1200s. DJ's should demand working equipment, and not accept such poor treatment.

but using it to bash the TWELVE as a solution is transparent face saving or just dumb
DJ Tecniq 4:10 PM - 22 April, 2018
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put your needles on ebay, couple more items... boom you got enough to pre-order Phase right now.
Bruh that’s what tax return is for...keep your needles lol.
The Silver Boombox Thief 4:24 PM - 24 April, 2018
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Ozah don't engage

the guys an idiot and very liable to shoot up a school or worse

he loves the 12's and thinks they're the best and phase is shit

most people on here are not idiots so don't waste your time


Akiem sounds like a lonely 12 year old all hopped up on energy drinks and access to the Serato forums.
AKIEM 5:54 PM - 24 April, 2018
boombox looks like he spent the night in bambaataas room
pdidy 8:14 PM - 24 April, 2018
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boombox looks like he spent the night in bambaataas room

LOL media.giphy.com
Dave-M 12:15 PM - 25 April, 2018
Wasn't is supposed to be today that the pre-orders started for phase? Website doesn't show anything?
So Fresh 12:20 PM - 25 April, 2018
Sushhhh

I was hopping everyone forgot so i get mine first:)

but yes it today so they said on the newsletter but no time
DJ Tecniq 12:26 PM - 25 April, 2018
Hoping they have preorder link up soon i really want this shit🙏🏼
So Fresh 12:43 PM - 25 April, 2018
me to n, just got of the phone to the retailer and they are going to do me a favour and do a straight switch to S9 from my 808 at no extra cost! i'm super happy

all i need now is phase!!!!
Dave-M 1:23 PM - 25 April, 2018
The hype is strong lol! I'm not ordering, I'm just curious how much we will be overcharged in the UK.
So Fresh 1:44 PM - 25 April, 2018
I’m all in, after I sell the 808 flight case and soft bag it should be minimal outlay so worth a punt.

I promise to come on here 3 times a day slag off all other Dj equipment:)
djarsenal 3:53 PM - 25 April, 2018
Has anyone tried plugging in devices to the Twelve USB ports on the 72? I'm curious to know if my laptop would read an external HD or the phase controller through those ports?
Dave-M 4:01 PM - 25 April, 2018
Pre order now! More expensive than they originally said.
So Fresh 4:02 PM - 25 April, 2018
not by much - did it anyway!

can't wait
Dave-M 4:03 PM - 25 April, 2018
Ships from the US, so +25% ish or more in customs charges for us in the UK.
So Fresh 4:08 PM - 25 April, 2018
i was about to spend £600 upgrading the 808 to a 72 so i fee like i just saved money:)
popnwave 4:30 PM - 25 April, 2018
youtu.be

Looking pretty good.. still not for me (the TWELVES are more of what I want), but if this keeps up I think it's a real option.
BoogieMan34950 5:00 PM - 25 April, 2018
Just preorder my PHASE DJ.
DJ Tecniq 6:10 PM - 25 April, 2018
Was going to preorder but it’s not shipping till September...that’s a long time still so I’ll wait👌🏼
Aptidda 6:20 PM - 25 April, 2018
$349, i'm good.
Ollieboy 6:41 PM - 25 April, 2018
I got mine in. Come on September! Lol
What if they raise the price due to popular demand.
DJ Tecniq 7:14 PM - 25 April, 2018
Here’s my question why not till sept? That’s almost 6 months from now...they ain’t getting my money just yet.
AKIEM 7:43 PM - 25 April, 2018
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DJ Ozah 8:32 PM - 25 April, 2018
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Here’s my question why not till sept? That’s almost 6 months from now...they ain’t getting my money just yet.


The risk is two fold. First adopter/pre order or not able to get them until next year due to demand. Decided to get in on the pre order. I can wait until Sept. It's not like I can't DJ until then. Now hopefully I dont trash some needles or cartridge between now and then.
pdidy 11:36 PM - 25 April, 2018
One major issue with the PHASE DJ is that it cant become a standard for club installs because DJ's will steal the transmitters. And the connecting/disconnecting of the receiver or any hardware is fast becoming a deal-breaker for many club installs as management doesn't want any gear touched or disconnected. If you are the opening dj, switch-overs can become time consuming and annoying to the following dj or headliner. So the PHASE DJ may be best used by solo djs or mobile djs who don't preform with others.

But since there are far more mobile,bedroom, wedding djs than club djs the negative affect should be minor.
dj_soo 11:57 PM - 25 April, 2018
mobile, wedding, and club djs aren't using turntables these days and mobile djs aren't going to trust a battery operated device when the sets can last 8-12 hours long.

The price buying this is mainly touring djs imo.
dj_soo 11:57 PM - 25 April, 2018
Price = people
Redi2roc 10:33 PM - 26 April, 2018
can't wait for September :))))))))))))))))
05spoof 2:43 AM - 1 June, 2018
How long before Phase is partnered into a mixer itself... which brand will be the first to colaborate?
COOLOUT 3:10 AM - 1 June, 2018
I was on the fence for a while, but finally did the pre-order myself.

I'm happy with my current DVS gear, but can appreciate the advantages of a controller: less setup, maintenance, more portability, and easier to use in outdoor/daytime/windy environments. The way I see it, Phase is like adding a decent controller to my setup without spending $500-1000 or changing my workflow. In theory it should perform BETTER and more precise than using timecode records.
DJ Tecniq 4:38 AM - 1 June, 2018
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In theory it should perform BETTER and more precise than using timecode records.
Yup. No pitch fluctuation like with t-tables with Phase there’s no need to even use anti-drift. I’m looking forward to less fiddling with the pitch. Spot on accuracy 👌🏼
AKIEM 4:57 AM - 1 June, 2018
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In theory it should perform BETTER and more precise than using timecode records.
Yup. No pitch fluctuation like with t-tables with Phase there’s no need to even use anti-drift. I’m looking forward to less fiddling with the pitch. Spot on accuracy 👌🏼


less pitch fluctuations?

I think you may be disappointed.
COOLOUT 5:40 AM - 1 June, 2018
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In theory it should perform BETTER and more precise than using timecode records.
Yup. No pitch fluctuation like with t-tables with Phase there’s no need to even use anti-drift. I’m looking forward to less fiddling with the pitch. Spot on accuracy 👌🏼


less pitch fluctuations?

I think you may be disappointed.


The Phase remotes are only sending rotational data and eliminating the wow-and-flutter, vibration, rumble, etc. usually caused by the tonearm, surface dust, and record wear. I think those things probably contribute more to pitch fluctuations than just the simple movement of the turntable platter going round.

One of the things pointed out in various videos is how the Serato scope is basically a perfect circle using Phase. As long as the latency is up to snuff, Phase should be at least as accurate and tight as a CDJ with timecode CD. It might even feel better than HID since the turntable is a bigger control surface. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I'm going to test it with a bunch of stuff: Rane SL boxes, Akai AMX, Traktor A6, DJ Player on iOS, etc. If everything works out, I wonder how many years of not buying control vinyl and 447 stylus will it take to even out the price of Phase. $350 isn't cheap, but it's better than spending $1000+ on a CDJs or a fancy new controller.
AKIEM 6:39 AM - 1 June, 2018
wow and flutter isn't caused by the tone arm.

no doubt it will be better. but because it is so accurate it will transmit wow and flutter pitch fluctuations from the platter. and will also transmit rumble or whatever other vibration. otherwise it wouldn't work. how much is the question.

I personally like some wow and flutter, so for me that's not a factor.

cost isn't that much a factor for me either here. but, I think you will find small extra costs that will slow your way to that $350.

my guess is how little advantage there is, and how much extra little hassles there are, a lot of DJs are going to just switch back to control vinyl - especially the ones setting up needles and cv for buckup anyway

that wow factor is going to wear off then we will see what's up. but maybe they advance the technology...
ill-legal ? 7:49 AM - 1 June, 2018
I think the Twelve is a cool piece of equipment for sure, but not something I personally see myself picking up anytime soon as I'm very happy with my 1200's (and the 72 I just picked up, which is phenomenal). If I were to try something new, I'd certainly consider Phase but not until I could get my hands on a pair to try them out for a bit first before committing to a purchase.

At the end of the day, two totally different pieces of gear and instead of hating or saying one is better than the other, as dj's we should just be stoked that companies are bringing innovative new products to market. Or look at it this way...at least "Grandmaster Jay" isn't trying to sell us on the Beamzzzz anymore!
COOLOUT 8:50 AM - 1 June, 2018
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wow and flutter isn't caused by the tone arm.

no doubt it will be better. but because it is so accurate it will transmit wow and flutter pitch fluctuations from the platter. and will also transmit rumble or whatever other vibration. otherwise it wouldn't work. how much is the question.


Nah dude, check out the DJ City preview video: Watchwww.youtube.com

About 5 min into the video, Mojaxx shows the Serato scope while using Phase, then starts shaking the table, going so far as to lift the whole turntable up and down continuously. What's crazy is that while he's dropping the turntable down on the stand, you'll notice that the pitch of the song and Serato scope never warbles or moves at all.

Apparently, Phase is only keeping track of the rotation of the remote like the second hand of a clock, so it seems to be actually monitoring and sending LESS DATA than a traditional DVS setup. Looks like they eliminated most of the wow-and-flutter, pitch fluctuation, and vibration sensitivity of a normal DVS setup.

That little part of the video is what really sold me. I was like, "OK that's a gig-worthy improvement." It's great that turntablists can use Phase and that the latency seems acceptable, but those guys can scratch on damn near anything and make it sound good (example portablism). The real test is if Phase provides a better solution vs normal DVS for your average working DJ that's out there mixing and cutting for hours at a gig.
05spoof 10:51 AM - 1 June, 2018
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Apparently, Phase is only keeping track of the rotation of the remote like the second hand of a clock, so it seems to be actually monitoring and sending LESS DATA than a traditional DVS setup. Looks like they eliminated most of the wow-and-flutter, pitch fluctuation, and vibration sensitivity of a normal DVS setup.


If it isn’t catching the wow and flutter.. how accurate will it be when your pitch riding or nudging the platter or label? The Anti-drift feature in Serato seemed like a great idea... but the minute you nudge the platter or label it changes the value.
AKIEM 2:59 PM - 1 June, 2018
As I said it will obvioulsy be an improvement over using a needle (if that's a problem for you) but it is not eliminating wow and flutter pitch fluctuation from the platter (if that's also a problem for you). And it will pick up vibration on the horizontal axis.

If it didn't, it wouldn't work.

If your turntable has a problem with pitch fluctions, that is going to be transmitted.

what I would liked to have seen in that video is the BPM fluctions. I assume it would be less than using the needle, but how much less is the question.

Has any of these videos shown it?
Aptidda 3:40 PM - 1 June, 2018
In all honesty you early adopters are doing me a HUGE favor. First off, that big ole POS transmitter that sits all the way across the label is absolutely unacceptable to me. I twist my spindle and manipulate the record within the center label all day, erryday.

PLEASE pre order the crap out of these. An insider source tells me they are already working on the next version that would have the transmitter built directly into a vinyl like disc. Therefore eliminating a huge bulky candy bar sitting across the most important control piece of my entire setup.

I am 0.00% interested in V 1.0, calling all sheep PRE ORDER NOW! LOL suckers.
05spoof 7:20 PM - 1 June, 2018
Come on now... its perfect a reason to glue fader caps and add speed bumps all over your records for that extra touch to your cuts. Even glue a mini ladder for some ladder cuts LOL!
COOLOUT 8:47 PM - 1 June, 2018
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Apparently, Phase is only keeping track of the rotation of the remote like the second hand of a clock, so it seems to be actually monitoring and sending LESS DATA than a traditional DVS setup. Looks like they eliminated most of the wow-and-flutter, pitch fluctuation, and vibration sensitivity of a normal DVS setup.


If it isn’t catching the wow and flutter.. how accurate will it be when your pitch riding or nudging the platter or label? The Anti-drift feature in Serato seemed like a great idea... but the minute you nudge the platter or label it changes the value.


I assume (er...hope) mixing with Phase would be closer to the feel of using a CDJ or high-end controller. The pitch would mostly stay in place without the the bpm fluctuation normally associated with turntable DVS. If that's the case you would never have to "ride" the pitch. Once you matched the BPMs they would stay locked on for the most part. Fingers-crossed.
CMOS 11:28 PM - 1 June, 2018
Yeah but now you gotta get behind the mixer and start fiddling with wires again. Most places i go have two USB cables sticking out of a grommet in the booth and you cant even get behind the mixer any more.
AKIEM 11:35 PM - 1 June, 2018
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Apparently, Phase is only keeping track of the rotation of the remote like the second hand of a clock, so it seems to be actually monitoring and sending LESS DATA than a traditional DVS setup. Looks like they eliminated most of the wow-and-flutter, pitch fluctuation, and vibration sensitivity of a normal DVS setup.


If it isn’t catching the wow and flutter.. how accurate will it be when your pitch riding or nudging the platter or label? The Anti-drift feature in Serato seemed like a great idea... but the minute you nudge the platter or label it changes the value.


I assume (er...hope) mixing with Phase would be closer to the feel of using a CDJ or high-end controller. The pitch would mostly stay in place without the the bpm fluctuation normally associated with turntable DVS. If that's the case you would never have to "ride" the pitch. Once you matched the BPMs they would stay locked on for the most part. Fingers-crossed.



cmon man. whatever speed inconsistency in plater rotation is transmitted... it's mechanical... it's analog. it's only going to be as good as your turntable.
pdidy 1:06 AM - 2 June, 2018
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Yeah but now you gotta get behind the mixer and start fiddling with wires again. Most places i go have two USB cables sticking out of a grommet in the booth and you cant even get behind the mixer any more.

wire fiddling is so 2008, I cant go back.
DJ Tecniq 6:05 AM - 2 June, 2018
I haven’t put my preorder in yet cause I’m curious and rather find out if there’s any bpm fluctuation. Because the transmitter sits in the center spindle i would think it would be less if any. Can’t wait to see some videos cause on Tech 1210’s the bpm is never steady i understand there’s wow & flutter and as this is a digital device and not a “needle/tonearm” per say i think it would limit most of that. Just my thoughts.
Aptidda 3:31 PM - 4 June, 2018
shutup and pre order guys, its gonna be awesome LOL
AKIEM 4:37 PM - 13 June, 2018
popnwave 7:08 PM - 13 June, 2018


That's a nice endorsement. I did see production has started on the Phase stuff today as well.

WHAT A GLORIOUS TIME FOR DJ TECH!

Now stop hating on one side or the other.
AKIEM 7:26 PM - 13 June, 2018
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That's a nice endorsement. I did see production has started on the Phase stuff today as well.

WHAT A GLORIOUS TIME FOR DJ TECH!

Now stop hating on one side or the other.


(how entertaining would that be?)

I just think its funny dudes were sure Jeff was going to be rocking shows with Phase and not the TWELVEs - lol
WarpNote 4:30 PM - 14 June, 2018

Seems like he is staying with the S9...?
AKIEM 5:08 PM - 14 June, 2018
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Seems like he is staying with the S9...?


not surprising...
(still early tho)
popnwave 5:13 PM - 14 June, 2018
Adding TWELVES is a lot less disruption to your work flow than migrating from one mixer to another.

Especially if you're touring or doing gigs every night, but yeah it IS early.
WarpNote 7:05 PM - 14 June, 2018
Yeah, although its interesting that he seems to have endorsements from both Pioneer DJ and Rane DJ at the same time...?
YZ 10:32 PM - 14 June, 2018
You guys realize these dudes get paid to use their shit right?
popnwave 10:33 PM - 14 June, 2018
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paid....free hardware, probably some other nice perks depending on the event.
YZ 10:44 PM - 14 June, 2018
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paid....free hardware, probably some other nice perks depending on the event.


Ok, you get it but I think some of us in hereare under the impression the jazzy j, skratchbastid crew, craze, etc... use shit because they prefer it. Remember how pissed he was on IG at Technics because they "probably" told him to fly a kite when he wanted to use the new shits? These dudes only do business with paid providers.
Dave-M 8:38 AM - 15 June, 2018
I think if he was getting paid to use Rane gear, he would have the 72 there as well? Seems odd for a company trying to push their new gear to have a Pioneer mixer where their flagship mixer should be, especially on a promo video!
WarpNote 2:09 PM - 15 June, 2018
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Yep, and often those deals means exclusivity to one brand. That's the reason I find it interesting he seems to be sponsored by both Rane and Pioneer at the same time.

Jeff was probably involved in the development of the S9 at some stage, and he did put his name on that little controller thing.
DJ Marv the Maverick 4:16 PM - 15 June, 2018
What about his technical rider. Not like it's a Rane or Pioneer sponsored event.

His rider could have been something like this:

Agent: "Rane 72 or Pioneer S9,
Rane 12 or Technics SL1200 or Pioneer PLX 1000"

Organizer: "We already have the S9, let's just buy a pair of Twelves..." "And we will return it after the gig 😂"

Jeff arrives at the gig and sees the set up...still gonna rock this joint.
AKIEM 4:19 PM - 15 June, 2018
yup its weird. only some people know he doesn't even prefer SeratoDJ, Pioneer S9 (909/Rane62) and two Technics 1200s (12s?). Here he is at home in a rare video straight killing it on his prefered Gemeni setup [Link Removed]
slimmjimm 4:30 PM - 15 June, 2018
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Is that the video that sadsfre posted up? Str8 fire! 🔥
dj_soo 5:56 PM - 15 June, 2018
He's been using serato dj for years - even when he uses a 62.
AKIEM 6:03 PM - 15 June, 2018
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thats only for the public, its not his preferred system.
WildcardX 6:10 PM - 15 June, 2018
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thats only for the public, its not his preferred system.

He uses Mixxx.
DJ Tecniq 6:51 PM - 15 June, 2018
I’ve seen him rock Virtual DJ
jamster????? 1:56 PM - 14 August, 2018
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So don't get me wrong I'm all for the Rane 72 it does seem quite ground breaking and a great answer to the now aging S9.

HOWEVER those Rane 12's seem very outdated the moment they hit the shelf. You can't play Vinyl on them and at $800 a pop...I expect more. IJS.

Which brings me to Phase DJ. How is this not considered a bigger deal then Rane's latest product release?

We are talking about a device that can go on any turntable and replace needles. The reviews seem stellar.. I am worried about random interference.

But lets say they fail mid gig..fine I'll just start using my needles...Serato crashes...go to Vinyl if you got it. Can't do any of that with the Rane 12's. And to top it off it's ( rumored) to be at a fraction of the cost. ($300-$399)

All I can hope for is Pioneer doesn't buy them out and shelve the product or up the price tag to $2,500.


Because Rane is Rane, And they have more Market, And is like they upgraded the failing numark CDX.
But Phase DJ is different and its working so far, only way it it considered a bigger deal is ahh, once it is marketed as high production .
Aptidda 3:39 PM - 14 August, 2018
Phase shmase. Regardless this is going to be a "1st generation" product bound to have issues. I will wait until they iron all the kinks out on this one and figure out another way to create the "transmitter". That rectangle block in the middle of my vinyl is a no go for me. Once they figure out how physically implement it into an actual piece of vinyl I may consider it.

I'm perfectly happy with normal DVS and have the stylus to boot. I'll sit back with some popcorn and let you early adopter peons pay top dollar, wait it out a few months- and low ball some poor sucker struggling to make rent/car payment on craigslist and pick this up @ >$50 when the time is right.
HellNegative1 7:08 PM - 14 August, 2018
I for one am excited for Phase. No more buying $30-45 pairs of control vinyl every 6 months. I can just purchase random clear vinyl from the local record shop for $1, paint one side, and throw a phase transmitter on it.
Aptidda 8:17 PM - 14 August, 2018
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wow new CV every six months? What type of home made stylus are you using?
HellNegative1 9:51 PM - 14 August, 2018
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I for one am excited for Phase. No more buying $30-45 pairs of control vinyl every 6 months. I can just purchase random clear vinyl from the local record shop for $1, paint one side, and throw a phase transmitter on it.


wow new CV every six months? What type of home made stylus are you using?



A sewing needle attached to a piece of cardboard that is duck taped to the tone arm.

jk

I do a lot of outdoor for corporate gigs and weddings. Continuous shade or cooling is not always an option, so I deal with warping a lot over time.
DJ Ozah 7:34 PM - 29 August, 2018
Welp it's almost that time. Phase haters sure got silent after all these video's started dropping of well known ( and underground) DJ's wrecking shop. I tried to temper my expectations with this being a first Gen product but some of these scratch videos are outta control. Especially with the claim of almost Vinyl like control and response. The final proof is when folks start playing gigs on their not so perfect/aging laptops with way too much crap/bloatware etc.
Still the main concern is with battery life degrading quickly and interference. But man will I be excited to practice..no worry about wear and tear on your favorite CV and wearing out needles will save them for actual Vinyl.
dj_soo 8:20 PM - 29 August, 2018
Way I look at it, is it’s unproven technology made by an unproven company that relies on both wireless and battery power.

5-10 minute scratch demos are one thing, but I’d like to hear how it performs for 4-6 hour gigs, 6 months down the road.

Tech look promising and I intend to get some in the future, but I’m going to wait til the early adopters come back with their reviews. And re-evaluate then.

I also get the feeling that there are going to be huge shortages given the hype and some might not be getting theirs til way down the road...
Aptidda 8:32 PM - 29 August, 2018
I don't believe there is enough demand to create a "shortage" for this item. Turntablists/ Turntable jocks are rare enough as it is. I will also wait a while to see how they do, and then when they get it right I may get V2.0.

Until then I have more control vinyl and stylus then I will ever need.
DJ Ozah 8:36 PM - 29 August, 2018
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Way I look at it, is it’s unproven technology made by an unproven company that relies on both wireless and battery power.

5-10 minute scratch demos are one thing, but I’d like to hear how it performs for 4-6 hour gigs, 6 months down the road.

Tech look promising and I intend to get some in the future, but I’m going to wait til the early adopters come back with their reviews. And re-evaluate then.

I also get the feeling that there are going to be huge shortages given the hype and some might not be getting theirs til way down the road...




Yes!! scratch videos are great and all but can I see some mixing please. I want to see a DJ set...even if its just an hour. Normally I'd be right next to you waiting on the "suckers" to beta test but I couldn't' help myself. I wouldn't be surprised if these ended up on ebay at outrageous prices if there is a shortage.
The Return of Dj Sparky 9:24 PM - 29 August, 2018
there will be crazy demand for this,

and what happened to your new 12's Aptidda,

put up or shut up

streamable.com
popnwave 12:52 AM - 30 August, 2018
I hope they work great! But yeah, the performance routines are great, but I'd love to see a 4-6 hour set I can scrub through of them being used in a club environment.

That being said, I didn't believe how nice the TWELVES were until they were in the wild and I could get my hands on them.
slimmjimm 1:27 AM - 30 August, 2018
They told me at the expo there is absolutely no chance of interference. I just kind of walked away after that. It’s cool though for sure.
HellNegative1 2:17 AM - 30 August, 2018
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They are a proven company. The mixfader has been around and abused for quite a while now.
HellNegative1 2:18 AM - 30 August, 2018
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The true test will be setting phase on a record. Then duct tape a cell phone, a walkie talkie, and a portable tv to the record. :-p
dj_soo 5:54 AM - 30 August, 2018
Well, the signal is supposed to be both proprietary and extremely short range so that’s probably their solution to interference. We’ll find out when it’s in the wild, but it’s not like all the conventions they’re at don’t have wireless signals coming out the ying yang...
Aptidda 3:15 PM - 31 August, 2018
I hope you guys enjoy version 1.0 . As previously mentioned, I'm not going with this garbage until they implement the unit into a piece of vinyl. That big ole transmitter on top will get in the way and looks like crap. I got stylus and serato control vinyl for decades.
HellNegative1 4:04 PM - 31 August, 2018
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I hope you guys enjoy version 1.0 . As previously mentioned, I'm not going with this garbage until they implement the unit into a piece of vinyl. That big ole transmitter on top will get in the way and looks like crap. I got stylus and serato control vinyl for decades.


I wonder just how big the internals are? If there are only 4 contacts and it is just a a board the size of a teenzy or pi zero, you could easily solder a micro usb port (for charging) and build it into a record.
Aptidda 4:11 PM - 31 August, 2018
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I hope you guys enjoy version 1.0 . As previously mentioned, I'm not going with this garbage until they implement the unit into a piece of vinyl. That big ole transmitter on top will get in the way and looks like crap. I got stylus and serato control vinyl for decades.


I wonder just how big the internals are? If there are only 4 contacts and it is just a a board the size of a teenzy or pi zero, you could easily solder a micro usb port (for charging) and build it into a record.


precisely. If the "Phase" team had any common sense they would have gone this route.

Can a competitor please do this and remove "Phase" from the picture? Thank you
AKIEM 4:12 PM - 31 August, 2018
lol
HellNegative1 4:13 PM - 31 August, 2018
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I hope you guys enjoy version 1.0 . As previously mentioned, I'm not going with this garbage until they implement the unit into a piece of vinyl. That big ole transmitter on top will get in the way and looks like crap. I got stylus and serato control vinyl for decades.


I wonder just how big the internals are? If there are only 4 contacts and it is just a a board the size of a teenzy or pi zero, you could easily solder a micro usb port (for charging) and build it into a record.


precisely. If the "Phase" team had any common sense they would have gone this route.

Can a competitor please do this and remove "Phase" from the picture? Thank you


Do you have something against MWM?
Aptidda 4:13 PM - 31 August, 2018
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I hope you guys enjoy version 1.0 . As previously mentioned, I'm not going with this garbage until they implement the unit into a piece of vinyl. That big ole transmitter on top will get in the way and looks like crap. I got stylus and serato control vinyl for decades.


I wonder just how big the internals are? If there are only 4 contacts and it is just a a board the size of a teenzy or pi zero, you could easily solder a micro usb port (for charging) and build it into a record.


precisely. If the "Phase" team had any common sense they would have gone this route.

Can a competitor please do this and remove "Phase" from the picture? Thank you


Do you have something against MWM?


Yes I do, they are not "Rane" and not owned by "InMusic".
HellNegative1 4:34 PM - 31 August, 2018
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I hope you guys enjoy version 1.0 . As previously mentioned, I'm not going with this garbage until they implement the unit into a piece of vinyl. That big ole transmitter on top will get in the way and looks like crap. I got stylus and serato control vinyl for decades.


I wonder just how big the internals are? If there are only 4 contacts and it is just a a board the size of a teenzy or pi zero, you could easily solder a micro usb port (for charging) and build it into a record.


precisely. If the "Phase" team had any common sense they would have gone this route.

Can a competitor please do this and remove "Phase" from the picture? Thank you


Do you have something against MWM?


Yes I do, they are not "Rane" and not owned by "InMusic".



Rane is trash
Aptidda 4:49 PM - 31 August, 2018
Uh huh, ok. They only make the worlds #1 DJ Scratch Mixer and the worlds #1 4 Channel rotary mixer. I guess that's your definition of "trash" you pioneer fanboy.
HellNegative1 5:28 PM - 31 August, 2018
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Uh huh, ok. They only make the worlds #1 DJ Scratch Mixer and the worlds #1 4 Channel rotary mixer. I guess that's your definition of "trash" you pioneer fanboy.


.... I don't own anything Pioneer.....
v@l 6:20 PM - 31 August, 2018
Phase Dj Should Have Went The Seven Inch Adaptor Root Its A No Brainer..
Aptidda 6:24 PM - 31 August, 2018
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Phase Dj Should Have Went The Seven Inch Adaptor Root Its A No Brainer..


amen
HellNegative1 6:34 PM - 31 August, 2018
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amen


OMGYAS
nik39 11:05 PM - 2 September, 2018
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what Does that mean exactly........



It was a quote from a previous poster. I wonder if the person still works at Serato. Claimed to be the creator of the noisemap/tone

That person is one of the owners of Serato.

BTW, I have tried out Phase this weekend. It's dope. However, due to the nature of not being able to use/create the original Serato control signal, it suffers from sticker drift. That drift is very small (depending on your record movement), and thus might not be relevant to the majority of the users outside.

A promising idea and product.

Would I buy it? I am not sure if I want to add additional equipment to my club set. another thing in the chain adds more complexity - another part which could break. I see a good value for those playing with system and/or environments with a lot of (bass) feedback - big stages, or clubs with mediocre equipment.
Despo 7:40 PM - 3 September, 2018
Ugh sticker drift really? Damn
Dj cuervo 9:41 PM - 4 September, 2018
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what Does that mean exactly........



It was a quote from a previous poster. I wonder if the person still works at Serato. Claimed to be the creator of the noisemap/tone

That person is one of the owners of Serato.

BTW, I have tried out Phase this weekend. It's dope. However, due to the nature of not being able to use/create the original Serato control signal, it suffers from sticker drift. That drift is very small (depending on your record movement), and thus might not be relevant to the majority of the users outside.

A promising idea and product.

Would I buy it? I am not sure if I want to add additional equipment to my club set. another thing in the chain adds more complexity - another part which could break. I see a good value for those playing with system and/or environments with a lot of (bass) feedback - big stages, or clubs with mediocre equipment.



Sticker Drift is something they can fix with a deal with Serato. Ie Official accessory
AKIEM 10:44 PM - 4 September, 2018
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doubt that
Mutis Mayfield 10:55 PM - 4 September, 2018
Sticker drift is related to use audio “timecode” (or relative side from noisemap) instead going full HID. Any deal with any partner could make this sticker drift free for that partner.
Meanwhile it needs to work with “all” it would have compromises (sady)
Mutis Mayfield 10:55 PM - 4 September, 2018
(Sadly) sorry for the typo.
AKIEM 11:20 PM - 4 September, 2018
are you sure thats the source of the sticker drift?
HID verse Control signal... hmmm
HellNegative1 12:00 AM - 5 September, 2018
I think what he is trying to say is,

The sticker drift is due to Phase only working in Relative mode. Since Phase is unable to work in Absolute mode, there will always be a tad bit of sticker drift.

Now, Relative sticker drift is dependent on a few factors. We will only be able to test the amount of drift once we have these things in studio to play with.
AKIEM 2:13 AM - 5 September, 2018
so why isnt there always sticker drift in relative mode if reletive mode is the culprit?
HellNegative1 2:49 AM - 5 September, 2018
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I have no clue. We will have to wait on Mutis to weigh in on his observation. I will say that i have sat and watched pretty much every phase demo video I could find over and over and cannot visually catch any sticker drift.
AKIEM 3:44 AM - 5 September, 2018
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I have no clue. We will have to wait on Mutis to weigh in on his observation. I will say that i have sat and watched pretty much every phase demo video I could find over and over and cannot visually catch any sticker drift.


doubt you would see it in a promo video unless the point was to show it.

guess well see
DJ Nin 4:39 PM - 5 September, 2018
Anyone know when they are gonna start shipping?

According to my calendar it's now September. Haven't heard anything official yet though.
Mutis Mayfield 4:52 PM - 5 September, 2018
Afaik NoiseMap implements an accurate mapping for absolute position but Phase is probably using just the relative position as Hellnegative1 pointed.

Sticker drift is even usual with Absolute mode due the way the audio decoding system works and using low Hz carrier signals seems better for this tracking. Anyways the moment you scratch the system needs to recalculate position making some maths which sometimes fail. Absolute mode help but not being a true absolute enconder (with somekind of hardware reset by round) it requires more effort. Serato NoiseMap seems the most accurate as I said but analog systems have some drawbacks (the true reason behind go Twelve or systems like Phase if right implemented). Sticker drift and needle drop are two of these. Resolution (vs regular controllers) is one of the positive points but for die hard scratchers maybe not enough... implementing physical memory as buffer (aka standalone players) could be the best (I don’t remember sticker drift in my old cdx) but again it requires to be well coded (and I’m not talking about hybrd mode which is more or less the same as phase). Die hards usually scratch on analog records, the rest of us can live even with some sticker drift with just some cue scratching.

Return to Phase, if it’s just a Relative Mode implementation and without any other error tracking it probably will have drift.

About why it isn’t just blame of relative or how being HID could improve it the answer is Software side. If Phase has a good digital encoder (and the usual gyroscope have it) resoution, calibration and even hardware reset by round could be coded. With Audio translation in the middle and without some kind of midi/HID between hard and soft, I suspect it will be too hard (or impossible).

Someone tried the Twelves and check if these have drift?
Dave-M 5:40 PM - 5 September, 2018
I heard they are shipping in November now.
dj zaza 5:59 PM - 5 September, 2018
I wrote to the phase team on August 31st, and they confirmed that the shipments are scheduled for the end of September, but they do not have a specific date yet. Where would you have seen that they send in November.
HellNegative1 6:03 PM - 5 September, 2018
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Beat me to the punch. I got a similar response. Also, Zzounds confirmed that they are expected to receive end of september to early october.


Per the sticker drift convo, let's leave that aside until a few of us get our hands on em and try them out with all three major DVS systems.
dj_soo 7:00 PM - 5 September, 2018
My Denon 3900s have some pretty bad drift and utilizes a similar bootleg signal as the phase. I do attribute some of it to the licking spindle mechanism in it tho - something I think has been improved with the Twelves and ns7.

I find you get the most sticker drift doing fast stabs and super slow drags.
Mutis Mayfield 8:02 PM - 5 September, 2018
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Per the sticker drift convo, let's leave that aside until a few of us get our hands on em and try them out with all three major DVS systems.


Agreed. Testing is a must.
Mutis Mayfield 8:03 PM - 5 September, 2018
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My Denon 3900s have some pretty bad drift and utilizes a similar bootleg signal as the phase. I do attribute some of it to the licking spindle mechanism in it tho - something I think has been improved with the Twelves and ns7.

I find you get the most sticker drift doing fast stabs and super slow drags.


In midi mode or hybrid mode?
dj_soo 8:14 PM - 5 September, 2018
Hybrid - you can't use the denons as a straight midi controller - at least not if you want to use the platters.
Dj cuervo 9:16 PM - 5 September, 2018
American Musical ships 9/15 but I doubt it
AGIprodj ships 9/30 -
I preorder with American Musical
I'm waiting on the shipping email like a kid on xmas eve.
DJ Tecniq 8:10 AM - 6 September, 2018
I’m holding off until I hear some reviews in real world testing. I’m excited for it but I’m not keen to jump the gun as of yet and like everyone else I’m curious of drifting and if it makes mixing more precise then I’m all for that. Can someone confirm if the Rane 12’s drift at all? Have not seen many reviews on the Rane 12 regarding this.
dj_soo 8:12 AM - 6 September, 2018
skratch bastid has said he found no sticker drift on the twelves, but I'm pretty sure he's sponsored by Rane right now so take that how you will. I doubt he would straight up lie about it tho.
So Fresh 8:18 AM - 6 September, 2018
I don't think he would lie about something like that publically - he would be more likely to not say anything at all don't you think.




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Mutis Mayfield 8:46 AM - 6 September, 2018
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Hybrid - you can't use the denons as a straight midi controller - at least not if you want to use the platters.


I wonder it but since there are some users modding xml files to make denons work I prefered to ask.

In hybrid mode the audio sticker drift remains. In HID mode (twelves) it could have but only noticeable in low resolution controllers. We can asume twelves are almost equal to v7 if no better (in resolution terms).
I will love to see their guts...
DJ Ozah 1:52 PM - 6 September, 2018
I doubt mixing will be anymore or less accurate then using traditional needles and CV. People forget you are using existing TT with wow/flutter. The variations will be the same.


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Mutis Mayfield 3:02 PM - 6 September, 2018
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I doubt mixing will be anymore or less accurate then using traditional needles and CV. People forget you are using existing TT with wow/flutter. The variations will be the same.


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I’m holding off until I hear some reviews in real world testing. I’m excited for it but I’m not keen to jump the gun as of yet and like everyone else I’m curious of drifting and if it makes mixing more precise then I’m all for that. Can someone confirm if the Rane 12’s drift at all? Have not seen many reviews on the Rane 12 regarding this.


From that perspective maybe, from audio vs dedicated digital encoder... well the same as twelve?
AKIEM 4:28 PM - 6 September, 2018
no sticker drift on my 12.
(no sticker drift on my 1200s in REL either)
thorissr 4:42 PM - 6 September, 2018
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(no sticker drift on my 1200s in REL either)


+1

None whatsoever on my Twelve’s either....tight and precise.
Mutis Mayfield 4:51 PM - 6 September, 2018
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(no sticker drift on my 1200s in REL either)


Good to know. Serato had the best accuracy from all DVS.

Relating to Phase then it will depend on implementation for sure. The best will be some kind of licensing (Serato official) instead audio that’s for sure against all these drawbacks.
dj_soo 5:59 PM - 6 September, 2018
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Hybrid - you can't use the denons as a straight midi controller - at least not if you want to use the platters.


I wonder it but since there are some users modding xml files to make denons work I prefered to ask.

In hybrid mode the audio sticker drift remains. In HID mode (twelves) it could have but only noticeable in low resolution controllers. We can asume twelves are almost equal to v7 if no better (in resolution terms).
I will love to see their guts...


I think serato keeps their high resolution platter mapping under lock and key - I've never heard anyone properly map platters - spinning or otherwise.
HellNegative1 6:12 PM - 6 September, 2018
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Hybrid - you can't use the denons as a straight midi controller - at least not if you want to use the platters.


I wonder it but since there are some users modding xml files to make denons work I prefered to ask.

In hybrid mode the audio sticker drift remains. In HID mode (twelves) it could have but only noticeable in low resolution controllers. We can asume twelves are almost equal to v7 if no better (in resolution terms).
I will love to see their guts...


I think serato keeps their high resolution platter mapping under lock and key - I've never heard anyone properly map platters - spinning or otherwise.



This!

So far, every platter hack I have seen for Serato has been beyond buggy. They protect that ish like it's the last Virgin in the world.
Mutis Mayfield 6:51 PM - 6 September, 2018
Makes sense.
nik39 12:17 PM - 7 September, 2018
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Per the sticker drift convo, let's leave that aside until a few of us get our hands on em and try them out with all three major DVS systems.

I was able to constantly reproduce this issue with SDJ and Phase. Trust me here ;) Can't comment on the other DVS systems - but I bet that the other DVS systems will suffer from the same issue, because it is a conceptional issue.
nik39 12:22 PM - 7 September, 2018
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I have no clue. We will have to wait on Mutis to weigh in on his observation. I will say that i have sat and watched pretty much every phase demo video I could find over and over and cannot visually catch any sticker drift.

.. there IS sticker drift. But the amount is not super big and it adds up after some time.

AKIEM, even in relative in SDJ it will read out the absolute position to fix the sticker drift.

Back in the days, Scratch Live (if anyone remembers that product ;) ) suffered from sticker drift as well, until they added the fix. But.. here SDJ can't fix the drift, because there is no absolute position available because Phase does not send any absolute information at all.

They can't use the control signal without proper licensing (or any kind of agreement) with/from Serato. Serato owns the IP rights for the control signal.
nik39 12:23 PM - 7 September, 2018
(From what has been said in the public)
Dj cuervo 2:48 PM - 7 September, 2018
I'm sure phase with address the sticker drift issue with firmware updates. If there is one. Some of best djs in world have tested it. According to Phase it was build for scratching and beat juggling. I have seen videos of faster scratch drumming with no sticker drift. This would be very difficult if the mark moves. We will find out soon. They are going to announce the release date this coming week per IG post.
AKIEM 6:07 PM - 7 September, 2018
nik39, seen
DJ Tecniq 6:13 PM - 7 September, 2018
I found this and it looks like there’s no drift or bpm fluctuation at all. And that perfectly circle scope is impressive. Wow!
youtu.be
dj_soo 6:57 PM - 7 September, 2018
I find you most often get sticker drift when doing fast and aggressive stabs - so like 1/16th or 1/32 note stabs.

Probably the best benchmark test to find out how bad the sticker drift will be.
DJ G-Rebel 7:29 AM - 8 September, 2018
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Phase shmase. Regardless this is going to be a "1st generation" product bound to have issues. I will wait until they iron all the kinks out on this one and figure out another way to create the "transmitter". That rectangle block in the middle of my vinyl is a no go for me. Once they figure out how physically implement it into an actual piece of vinyl I may consider it.

I'm perfectly happy with normal DVS and have the stylus to boot. I'll sit back with some popcorn and let you early adopter peons pay top dollar, wait it out a few months- and low ball some poor sucker struggling to make rent/car payment on craigslist and pick this up @ >$50 when the time is right.


I don't think so... It's coming from france and there was long development before releasing them now in september. I think phase will be the gamechanger for sure!!! Even though it is approved by craze, sketch bastid, jazzy jeff and so many others. Haven't you seen the videos where they couldn't believe what's going on? So there is enough proof that it works flawless. And for 300€s it's a bargain. I have pre-ordered because I don't want to wait when it's already sold out shortly after the release... ;)
DJ Ozah 2:58 PM - 8 September, 2018
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Phase shmase. Regardless this is going to be a "1st generation" product bound to have issues. I will wait until they iron all the kinks out on this one and figure out another way to create the "transmitter". That rectangle block in the middle of my vinyl is a no go for me. Once they figure out how physically implement it into an actual piece of vinyl I may consider it.

I'm perfectly happy with normal DVS and have the stylus to boot. I'll sit back with some popcorn and let you early adopter peons pay top dollar, wait it out a few months- and low ball some poor sucker struggling to make rent/car payment on craigslist and pick this up @ >$50 when the time is right.


I don't think so... It's coming from france and there was long development before releasing them now in september. I think phase will be the gamechanger for sure!!! Even though it is approved by craze, sketch bastid, jazzy jeff and so many others. Haven't you seen the videos where they couldn't believe what's going on? So there is enough proof that it works flawless. And for 300€s it's a bargain. I have pre-ordered because I don't want to wait when it's already sold out shortly after the release... ;)



Second point why on earth would you ever pay $300 for CV? What if a record gets warped,broken or chipped. Stand-alone design was done for a reason. The 2nd gen might be smaller or a different shape but built into the cv is a terrible design.
AKIEM 11:49 PM - 8 September, 2018
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Second point why on earth would you ever pay $300 for CV? What if a record gets warped,broken or chipped. Stand-alone design was done for a reason. The 2nd gen might be smaller or a different shape but built into the cv is a terrible design.


same with phase hardware or any hardware (-warping)
(like the Phase transmitter can't break... lol)
DJ Ozah 2:45 AM - 9 September, 2018
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Second point why on earth would you ever pay $300 for CV? What if a record gets warped,broken or chipped. Stand-alone design was done for a reason. The 2nd gen might be smaller or a different shape but built into the cv is a terrible design.


same with phase hardware or any hardware (-warping)
(like the Phase transmitter can't break... lol)


CV is way easier to damage then Phase hardware or a Serato box. Be realistic. We are talking about Vinyl that’s 1-2 mm thick vs metal or impact resistant plastic that can take falls from height. An hour in a hot car can ruin CV. Direct sunlight during a gig....you guys will debate complete nonsense.
AKIEM 1:01 PM - 9 September, 2018
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Second point why on earth would you ever pay $300 for CV? What if a record gets warped,broken or chipped. Stand-alone design was done for a reason. The 2nd gen might be smaller or a different shape but built into the cv is a terrible design.


same with phase hardware or any hardware (-warping)
(like the Phase transmitter can't break... lol)


CV is way easier to damage then Phase hardware or a Serato box. Be realistic. We are talking about Vinyl that’s 1-2 mm thick vs metal or impact resistant plastic that can take falls from height. An hour in a hot car can ruin CV. Direct sunlight during a gig.... I am debating complete nonsense.


i fixed this fir u
Dj cuervo 9:29 PM - 9 September, 2018
Phase stated on an IG Post that some demos with older models of the device in some cases produce small sticker drift. They stated the release version will not have this issue. I pose that question to them and they respond.
nik39 9:33 AM - 10 September, 2018
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Phase stated on an IG Post that some demos with older models of the device in some cases produce small sticker drift. They stated the release version will not have this issue. I pose that question to them and they respond.

Thanks for the info. However I'm not talking about Denons. I'm talking about the device which the majority of the users will be using Phase on - Technics 1200/1210s.
dj_soo 10:08 AM - 10 September, 2018
I think the majority of people using the Phase will be using techs
Illiment 2:28 PM - 10 September, 2018
Zero sticker drift with the 12's. It's awesome.

There is no wow/flutter with the twelves either. They control internal mode how could there possibly be wow/flutter. Mixing with them is 100% more accurate as the pitch is completely solid. I would think wow/flutter shouldn't be an issue with phase either, unless there are issues with the turntable motors. I have Phase preordered, I'm not worried about any drift with Phase. I've had my twelves since the beginning of Aug, and Scratching and mixing with no drift is amazing. The only "issue" i have with them is a bit of a digitized sound with certain scratches and samples, i'm not sure future software/firmware can improve this. It's damn near perfect to me. Really enjoying rocking on these things. I haven't used them live yet, been too lazy to take them out but I may bring them out this weekend.
Illiment 2:37 PM - 10 September, 2018
Also, been running the twelves with the s9 + usb hub. Zero issues with that so far. It's hilarious the amount of people that still don't know that you can use the twelves with anything as long as you rock the powered hub lmao.
DJ Ozah 2:58 PM - 10 September, 2018
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Zero sticker drift with the 12's. It's awesome.

There is no wow/flutter with the twelves either. They control internal mode how could there possibly be wow/flutter. Mixing with them is 100% more accurate as the pitch is completely solid. I would think wow/flutter shouldn't be an issue with phase either, unless there are issues with the turntable motors. I have Phase preordered, I'm not worried about any drift with Phase. I've had my twelves since the beginning of Aug, and Scratching and mixing with no drift is amazing. The only "issue" i have with them is a bit of a digitized sound with certain scratches and samples, i'm not sure future software/firmware can improve this. It's damn near perfect to me. Really enjoying rocking on these things. I haven't used them live yet, been too lazy to take them out but I may bring them out this weekend.


All TT have wow/flutter. Speed up/slow down. Actual TT. I would be shocked if Phase is able to over ride that as all TT are different and have different speed variations. Would be very cpu intensive. Most TT DJ’s prefer it or they would be on CDJ’s or the new 12’s.
Illiment 3:21 PM - 10 September, 2018
somebody posted that the twelves had it. Which is nonsense.

I think wow/flutter has more to do with the actual vinyl and less to do with the turntables motor in relation to phase as it's an accelerometer and won't be affected by any record, but if there are motor issues with whatever turntable you're using the pitch stability will be affected. Point is, all things being equal, drift issues resolved, and using turntables in good working order, Phase will have tremendous advantages over traditional DVS.
Illiment 3:25 PM - 10 September, 2018
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I think wow/flutter has more to do with the actual vinyl



I could be wrong af here. BUT things that will f up your mixes such as dirty CV + needles won't be an issue with phase. Using the twelves for over a month now and being free of that issue has been nothing short of miraculous.
Illiment 3:29 PM - 10 September, 2018
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Most TT DJ’s prefer it or they would be on CDJ’s or the new 12’s.


wait, what? You're saying turntable djs prefer wow/flutter + pitch fluctuations while they're trying to mix?

using the twelves and being able to lock a mix in and not worry if it's going to go off while I'm doing other things has changed my life. I've been on controllers + cdj's in HID mode but having the turntable feel again with this added benefit is insane. Who in their right mind would prefer to have the pitch moving up and down (even if it's slight) while they're trying to mix?
AKIEM 3:50 PM - 10 September, 2018
i like a little wow and flutter, but like my Twelves more tho.

wow and flutter is due to machine fluctuations AND tape/vinyl imperfection.

Phase uses magic rather than technology so it will be perfect.
Illiment 4:15 PM - 10 September, 2018
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Phase uses magic rather than technology so it will be perfect.



lmao. I can't wait to try it. Another few weeks I guess.
Chino 4:19 PM - 10 September, 2018
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Phase uses magic rather than technology so it will be perfect.


LOL!
Dj cuervo 4:52 PM - 10 September, 2018
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Zero sticker drift with the 12's. It's awesome.

There is no wow/flutter with the twelves either. They control internal mode how could there possibly be wow/flutter. Mixing with them is 100% more accurate as the pitch is completely solid. I would think wow/flutter shouldn't be an issue with phase either, unless there are issues with the turntable motors. I have Phase preordered, I'm not worried about any drift with Phase. I've had my twelves since the beginning of Aug, and Scratching and mixing with no drift is amazing. The only "issue" i have with them is a bit of a digitized sound with certain scratches and samples, i'm not sure future software/firmware can improve this. It's damn near perfect to me. Really enjoying rocking on these things. I haven't used them live yet, been too lazy to take them out but I may bring them out this weekend.


All TT have wow/flutter. Speed up/slow down. Actual TT. I would be shocked if Phase is able to over ride that as all TT are different and have different speed variations. Would be very cpu intensive. Most TT DJ’s prefer it or they would be on CDJ’s or the new 12’s.



Wow/Flutter is on all turntables... nothing anyone can do about that. This is more about the Sticker Drift which is a pain if you are drumming, backspinning and juggling. You have to look at the computer screen instead of the sticker. I have a preorder also. I heard Sept 30 is the release date.
dj zaza 5:03 PM - 10 September, 2018
Still no official announcement for phase shipments, hopefully before the end of September.
Illiment 6:09 PM - 10 September, 2018
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Zero sticker drift with the 12's. It's awesome.

There is no wow/flutter with the twelves either. They control internal mode how could there possibly be wow/flutter. Mixing with them is 100% more accurate as the pitch is completely solid. I would think wow/flutter shouldn't be an issue with phase either, unless there are issues with the turntable motors. I have Phase preordered, I'm not worried about any drift with Phase. I've had my twelves since the beginning of Aug, and Scratching and mixing with no drift is amazing. The only "issue" i have with them is a bit of a digitized sound with certain scratches and samples, i'm not sure future software/firmware can improve this. It's damn near perfect to me. Really enjoying rocking on these things. I haven't used them live yet, been too lazy to take them out but I may bring them out this weekend.


All TT have wow/flutter. Speed up/slow down. Actual TT. I would be shocked if Phase is able to over ride that as all TT are different and have different speed variations. Would be very cpu intensive. Most TT DJ’s prefer it or they would be on CDJ’s or the new 12’s.



Wow/Flutter is on all turntables... nothing anyone can do about that. This is more about the Sticker Drift which is a pain if you are drumming, backspinning and juggling. You have to look at the computer screen instead of the sticker. I have a preorder also. I heard Sept 30 is the release date.


as it applies to pitch fluctuation, on the twelve there is none. Stays rock solid at all times. (so far)
Despo 8:48 PM - 10 September, 2018
Guys you know serato has anti drift for timecode now? Basically eliminates wow and flutter on TTs
DJ Tecniq 9:40 PM - 10 September, 2018
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Guys you know serato has anti drift for timecode now? Basically eliminates wow and flutter on TTs
It’s still not comparable to a controller though where it’s steady when the pitch is locked. Anti-drift helps but doesn’t fully get rid of bpm fluctuation.
Despo 9:47 PM - 10 September, 2018
I wonder why phase doesnt let us use our own music files for the device. That way we could load the device with any control tone we'd want eliminating sticker drift and any required partnership. Cdjs have done this for decades basically
CMOS 10:30 PM - 10 September, 2018
Yall really arguing over a .01 fluctuation in speed?

Is wow and flutter fucking up your mixing to the point where you are better without it?


This seems like a pointless argument. Sticker drift yes it can make difference, but wow and flutter?

Ed Lover Voice: Cmon son.
Despo 10:36 PM - 10 September, 2018
Honestly i never notice wow and flutter on TTs, i only see numbers jumping in serato when anti drift is off. Seems completely perfect when it's on.

It's just perfectionism i guess lol
v@l 10:47 PM - 10 September, 2018
My Modded Technics Sldz ready for phase dj
www.instagram.com
v@l 10:49 PM - 10 September, 2018
Another Pic...
www.instagram.com
Dj cuervo 10:52 PM - 10 September, 2018
Wow and Flutter is normal on the TTs. My concern is sticker drift. I have a pair of Denon 3500 and they are worst with sticker drift. They was able to fix in the Denon 3700 and 3900. This is why the Rane 12 does not have a sticker drift problem. The Denon and Numark Eng fixed that issue.This is one good thing about Inmusic acquiring them.
DJ Ozah 12:40 AM - 11 September, 2018
They are still taking pre-orders wtf lmao. Really!? I’m going to say Oct before they arrive. Wouldnt be shocked if online shops got em first. They should have stopped pre-orders already.Being greedy.
Logisticalstyles 12:40 AM - 11 September, 2018
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Yall really arguing over a .01 fluctuation in speed?

Is wow and flutter fucking up your mixing to the point where you are better without it?


This seems like a pointless argument. Sticker drift yes it can make difference, but wow and flutter?

Ed Lover Voice: Cmon son.


DJs today complain about every little thing. I see DJs on Facebook complaining about the weight of a 25 pound controller.
DJ Ozah 12:42 AM - 11 September, 2018
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Yall really arguing over a .01 fluctuation in speed?

Is wow and flutter fucking up your mixing to the point where you are better without it?


This seems like a pointless argument. Sticker drift yes it can make difference, but wow and flutter?

Ed Lover Voice: Cmon son.


DJs today complain about every little thing. I see DJs on Facebook complaining about the weight of a 25 pound controller.


Facts.
AKIEM 2:29 AM - 11 September, 2018
lmao @ this threads complaining about the TWELVE
HellNegative1 3:25 AM - 11 September, 2018
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Yall really arguing over a .01 fluctuation in speed?

Is wow and flutter fucking up your mixing to the point where you are better without it?


This seems like a pointless argument. Sticker drift yes it can make difference, but wow and flutter?

Ed Lover Voice: Cmon son.


DJs today complain about every little thing. I see DJs on Facebook complaining about the weight of a 25 pound controller.


Facts.


Them: "It makes my backpack so hard to carry."

Me: "Hold my crate for a second for me" *Hands them 120 LP case*
Mutis Mayfield 9:48 AM - 11 September, 2018
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I wonder why phase doesnt let us use our own music files for the device. That way we could load the device with any control tone we'd want eliminating sticker drift and any required partnership. Cdjs have done this for decades basically


Cdjs have done it badly... that’s why HID appeared trying to solve it and to do it properly it requires software side aka partnershipping. Hybrid mode was a mix in between but barely avoided the worst problems like sticker drift.

If Phase could load audio files on it’s own it will be a bit more expensive alongside different market target. It’s hard to know if they are going to success but if you shot into niche of the nichest and with even more expensive price...

From technologic side the most clever solution involving a partnership will be emulate twelve wit phase but that’s is not going to happen. Serato has been very protective with their softwares and roadmpas over the years.

serato.com

The previous post I made with cdx arduinization was buried by forums updates (I supose)
dj_soo 11:03 AM - 11 September, 2018
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Wow and Flutter is normal on the TTs. My concern is sticker drift. I have a pair of Denon 3500 and they are worst with sticker drift. They was able to fix in the Denon 3700 and 3900. This is why the Rane 12 does not have a sticker drift problem. The Denon and Numark Eng fixed that issue.This is one good thing about Inmusic acquiring them.


They didn't really. The 3700 is better, but still pretty bad. The 3900 is even better, but it still drifts a fair amount.

I think part of it is the locking spindle tech they used and part of it is the bootleg control tone for hybrid mode.
Djkom 1:06 PM - 11 September, 2018
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My Modded Technics Sldz ready for phase dj
www.instagram.com


Dope !!!
DJ Ozah 1:32 PM - 11 September, 2018
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lmao @ this threads complaining about the TWELVE



Lol.
rayflexent 3:37 PM - 11 September, 2018
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One major issue with the PHASE DJ is that it cant become a standard for club installs because DJ's will steal the transmitters. And the connecting/disconnecting of the receiver or any hardware is fast becoming a deal-breaker for many club installs as management doesn't want any gear touched or disconnected. If you are the opening dj, switch-overs can become time consuming and annoying to the following dj or headliner. So the PHASE DJ may be best used by solo djs or mobile djs who don't preform with others.

But since there are far more mobile,bedroom, wedding djs than club djs the negative affect should be minor.
🤣🤣🤣😂
HellNegative1 6:02 PM - 11 September, 2018
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My Modded Technics Sldz ready for phase dj
www.instagram.com


Dope !!!


Right! Ingenious idea!
Dj cuervo 6:39 PM - 12 September, 2018
I heard the release date is November 7th now.
DJ BD 6:52 PM - 12 September, 2018
Just got the email - November 28th
DJ BD 6:53 PM - 12 September, 2018
ORDER UPDATE:

Today we have news to share with you regarding Phase development and shipping.

Phase development overview
We have validated the final design of Phase, and the entire hardware parts (electronic and mechanical) are now complete and ready for production. We are also preparing the ground for commercialization: packaging is ready, and we are finalizing the supply chain and our distribution network around the globe.

In the past few weeks, we presented our latest prototypes at several events around the world where we came to meet the DJ community for in-depth testing sessions. We gathered valuable feedback regarding product improvements or new feature ideas that could be added. These exchanges have convinced us that Phase can go even further than what we had initially imagined, and we have decided to take more time to reach this quality level.


Phase public launch date: November 28th 2018

As heartbreaking as it was for us, we took an important and difficult decision and decided to postpone the launch to November 28th. This will give us the opportunity to improve Phase and offer you the perfect product that will meet all your expectations. We will use this extra time to work on major development directions:

- New and faster radio data transmission protocol
- Upgrade the USB support for new application compatibilities
- Redesign the pairing system for easy-to-use and instant setup in any situation
- New update system that will allow to integrate new major features remotely
- Rework the included accessories (magnetic stickers and cables) to meet intense DJ performances requirements.

We would like to sincerely apologize for the delay, but we are convinced that it is for the best. We are a team of passionate people whose main goal has always been to bring innovative and high-quality solutions to the DJ community, and we need more time than initially forecasted to honour that promise.

Thank you all for your continuous support and trust all along this project, it truly means a lot for us. If you have any questions or claims, our team will be glad to answer. Contact us at support@phase-project.com or on our official social media pages.

Best,
Phase team.
HellNegative1 7:09 PM - 12 September, 2018
Illiment 7:31 PM - 12 September, 2018
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One major issue with the PHASE DJ is that it cant become a standard for club installs because DJ's will steal the transmitters. And the connecting/disconnecting of the receiver or any hardware is fast becoming a deal-breaker for many club installs as management doesn't want any gear touched or disconnected. If you are the opening dj, switch-overs can become time consuming and annoying to the following dj or headliner. So the PHASE DJ may be best used by solo djs or mobile djs who don't preform with others.


This doesn't make any sense. The Phase remotes are essentially replacing the needles. If you have a mixer or sl box with 2 usb inputs for 2 djs, you're good for switchovers. The only valid point here is people possibly stealing the remotes.
Illiment 7:34 PM - 12 September, 2018
not mad at the delay either. Would way rather them perfect, even possibly improve the technology before they release it.
popnwave 7:52 PM - 12 September, 2018
There's always going to be bitching.. the people who complained that the Rane 72 was getting demoed and took forever to finally hit the streets and so far it has been worth the wait.
DJ Ozah 7:52 PM - 12 September, 2018
Eh I figured it would have at least one delay. I was guessing mid November. But reality won’t show up until Christmas. They are making changes which means more testing and other possible tweaks before launch. The same DJ’s will want to test the second “final” version.
SUBSTANCE 9:41 PM - 13 September, 2018
I knew when I pre-ordered that this was going to be version 1.0, kinda like the SL1 box.
They'll continue to get smaller, faster etc.
Of course I want it yesterday, but if 10 weeks delay means we get Version 1.5 on release, so be it.
SUBSTANCE 9:47 PM - 13 September, 2018
I don't think these are designed to be used as a club install for every DJ.
More like your needles or headphones that you're supposed to bring yourselves.
A fussy headliner usually gets their own setup, and if not, wouldn't share their needles & slip mats etc, so you're back to some kind of changeover.
Yes there are clubs that cover all the RCAs - that's a whole other conversation.
HellNegative1 10:01 PM - 13 September, 2018
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I don't think these are designed to be used as a club install for every DJ.
More like your needles or headphones that you're supposed to bring yourselves.
A fussy headliner usually gets their own setup, and if not, wouldn't share their needles & slip mats etc, so you're back to some kind of changeover.
Yes there are clubs that cover all the RCAs - that's a whole other conversation.


Thats exactly what I was thinking. I haven't shared and/or borrowed needles from anyone since year one of playing out. Always bring your own stylii/carts, slipmats, and headphones. Phase should be no different.
DJ GOOK 7:54 PM - 18 September, 2018
Well I got that terrible email that states that I won't be receiving the Phase this month. The new release date is November 28,2018.
Chino 5:53 PM - 22 October, 2018
^^^ It will be worth the wait. It's cheaper than a Rane Twelve or Pioneer CDJ. It's also WAAAAAY cheaper than the new Denon Prime series media players. The price of $350 for a set including the charger is well worth the price as long as the technology is reliable. There is also an option to buy a set of 4 with a charger for $550. That gives DJs a backup option- charge 2 Phase units while playing on two. GREAT idea!!

Here is a new vid of DJ Jazzy Jeff testing out Phase & his reactions...

bit.ly
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 6:28 PM - 22 October, 2018
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^^^ It will be worth the wait. It's cheaper than a Rane Twelve or Pioneer CDJ. It's also WAAAAAY cheaper than the new Denon Prime series media players. The price of $350 for a set including the charger is well worth the price as long as the technology is reliable. There is also an option to buy a set of 4 with a charger for $550. That gives DJs a backup option- charge 2 Phase units while playing on two. GREAT idea!!

Here is a new vid of DJ Jazzy Jeff testing out Phase & his reactions...

bit.ly


I have Phase, its lack luster at best. Nothing will beat real DVS.
Clubber1970 6:52 PM - 22 October, 2018
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^^^ It will be worth the wait. It's cheaper than a Rane Twelve or Pioneer CDJ. It's also WAAAAAY cheaper than the new Denon Prime series media players. The price of $350 for a set including the charger is well worth the price as long as the technology is reliable. There is also an option to buy a set of 4 with a charger for $550. That gives DJs a backup option- charge 2 Phase units while playing on two. GREAT idea!!

Here is a new vid of DJ Jazzy Jeff testing out Phase & his reactions...

bit.ly


I have Phase, its lack luster at best. Nothing will beat real DVS.


You have Phase????
It‘s not released yet.
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:52 PM - 22 October, 2018
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^^^ It will be worth the wait. It's cheaper than a Rane Twelve or Pioneer CDJ. It's also WAAAAAY cheaper than the new Denon Prime series media players. The price of $350 for a set including the charger is well worth the price as long as the technology is reliable. There is also an option to buy a set of 4 with a charger for $550. That gives DJs a backup option- charge 2 Phase units while playing on two. GREAT idea!!

Here is a new vid of DJ Jazzy Jeff testing out Phase & his reactions...

bit.ly


I have Phase, its lack luster at best. Nothing will beat real DVS.


Are you implying Jeff is not being honest with his impression 🤔
DJ Tecniq 6:52 PM - 22 October, 2018
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I have Phase, its lack luster at best. Nothing will beat real DVS.
No you don’t it’s not out yet you tool.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 6:56 PM - 22 October, 2018
Yep, I have testing units. Beta!
DJ Tecniq 6:56 PM - 22 October, 2018
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Yep, I have testing units. Beta!
DJ Tecniq 6:56 PM - 22 October, 2018
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Yep, I have testing units. Beta!
Prove it to us😉
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 6:57 PM - 22 October, 2018
I'm actually really tight with the Phase team, its good. Not real true DVS good though.
Clubber1970 7:01 PM - 22 October, 2018
Fake
dj_soo 7:01 PM - 22 October, 2018
don't engage the troll.
Despo 12:02 AM - 23 October, 2018
Username says everything
Dj cuervo 8:24 PM - 15 November, 2018
Does anyone have a shipping date on their pre-order?
DJ Cyrix 6:54 AM - 16 November, 2018
No, haven't received an official date yet
Dj cuervo 1:36 PM - 16 November, 2018
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No, haven't received an official date yet


I hope there is not another delay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Despo 12:45 AM - 17 November, 2018
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No, haven't received an official date yet


I hope there is not another delay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That would suck
DANGERUST 8:50 PM - 17 November, 2018
It should still be the 28th November. I sent them a email last week.

Their email:

The official launch date is for the 28th of November.
If you've pre-ordered Phase (on our website or near one of our exclusive retailer), you are guaranteed to receive your product in prior, being part of the first batch.

Have a nice day,
Alice, Phase Team
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 5:33 PM - 19 November, 2018
Phase discovered a major flaw with their first run units and are now pushing the release to Q2 2019- sucks....
Clubber1970 6:49 PM - 19 November, 2018
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Phase discovered a major flaw with their first run units and are now pushing the release to Q2 2019- sucks....


Can you approve this with a link or a mail?
I don‘t believe you
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 7:14 PM - 19 November, 2018
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Phase discovered a major flaw with their first run units and are now pushing the release to Q2 2019- sucks....


Can you approve this with a link or a mail?
I don‘t believe you


I am on the Beta team, they almost scrapped the project. This is what I was told, V2.0 is gonna be the one you want.
HellNegative1 7:17 PM - 19 November, 2018
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Phase discovered a major flaw with their first run units and are now pushing the release to Q2 2019- sucks....


Can you approve this with a link or a mail?
I don‘t believe you


I am on the Beta team, they almost scrapped the project. This is what I was told, V2.0 is gonna be the one you want.



This needs to go out in an e-mail to all of us that pre-ordered (especially those of us that did via online retailers). If this ends up being true, I will be cancelling mine. Tired of constant delays.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 7:27 PM - 19 November, 2018
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Phase discovered a major flaw with their first run units and are now pushing the release to Q2 2019- sucks....


Can you approve this with a link or a mail?
I don‘t believe you


I am on the Beta team, they almost scrapped the project. This is what I was told, V2.0 is gonna be the one you want.



This needs to go out in an e-mail to all of us that pre-ordered (especially those of us that did via online retailers). If this ends up being true, I will be cancelling mine. Tired of constant delays.



Wait no I was wrong, no cred remember. Everything should be normal unless Phase says otherwise.
dj_soo 8:08 PM - 19 November, 2018
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Phase discovered a major flaw with their first run units and are now pushing the release to Q2 2019- sucks....


Can you approve this with a link or a mail?
I don‘t believe you


I am on the Beta team, they almost scrapped the project. This is what I was told, V2.0 is gonna be the one you want.



This needs to go out in an e-mail to all of us that pre-ordered (especially those of us that did via online retailers). If this ends up being true, I will be cancelling mine. Tired of constant delays.


Dude has the least cred on this forum (even after no cred) and is basically a pathological liar/troll.

Do yourself a favour and just skip any of his posts.

This forum really needs an ignite feature.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 9:16 PM - 19 November, 2018
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Phase discovered a major flaw with their first run units and are now pushing the release to Q2 2019- sucks....


Can you approve this with a link or a mail?
I don‘t believe you


I am on the Beta team, they almost scrapped the project. This is what I was told, V2.0 is gonna be the one you want.



This needs to go out in an e-mail to all of us that pre-ordered (especially those of us that did via online retailers). If this ends up being true, I will be cancelling mine. Tired of constant delays.


Dude has the least cred on this forum (even after no cred) and is basically a pathological liar/troll.

Do yourself a favour and just skip any of his posts.

This forum really needs an ignite feature.


Preach! Amen!
YZ 9:32 PM - 19 November, 2018
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Phase discovered a major flaw with their first run units and are now pushing the release to Q2 2019- sucks....


Shocker!
DANGERUST 9:37 PM - 19 November, 2018
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It should still be the 28th November. I sent them a email last week.

Their email:

The official launch date is for the 28th of November.
If you've pre-ordered Phase (on our website or near one of our exclusive retailer), you are guaranteed to receive your product in prior, being part of the first batch.

Have a nice day,
Alice, Phase Team


Will I'm confused then. I got this last week!
MeeHow 3:15 PM - 20 November, 2018
so what's the deal yo, week of november 26th or Spring 2019?
Despo 4:38 PM - 20 November, 2018
Q2 2019 confirmed
MeeHow 5:14 PM - 20 November, 2018
dat suxx biG time..smh
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 6:30 PM - 20 November, 2018
no one really cares. Phase is gonna "phase out" after all the hype dies out.
YZ 7:12 PM - 20 November, 2018
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no one really cares. Phase is gonna "phase out" after all the hype dies out.


or when the batteries die. har har
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 12:41 AM - 21 November, 2018
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no one really cares. Phase is gonna "phase out" after all the hype dies out.


or when the batteries die. har har


Isnt equipment already enough of a cable mess? Why on earth would you want to add more cables, boxes and confusion into the booth. Phase shmase.
Chino 1:26 AM - 21 November, 2018
There is no need to feel threatened by PHASE and the direct competition it brings to the Rane 12. There is enough room in the DJ market for both products.
DJ Cyrix 8:14 AM - 21 November, 2018
Q2 19 confirmed where?
Despo 2:32 PM - 21 November, 2018
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Q2 19 confirmed where?


I just made it up, people believe everything they read on the internet
Dj cuervo 7:20 PM - 21 November, 2018
American musical supply said they are on schedule to receive them on the NOV 28th. They expect to shipped to customer by DEC 5. If you were not a part of the early pre-order they will be on back order for awhile!!!
Dj cuervo 2:05 PM - 24 November, 2018
Another delay coming!!!!!
Despo 2:38 PM - 24 November, 2018
How do you know
Dj cuervo 6:03 PM - 24 November, 2018
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How do you know


They cancel the USA leg of live session tour and said news coming soon!!! Why cancel the tour????!!! All my confidence in this product is gone!!! 2019 release if we are lucky!!!
dj zaza 8:36 AM - 25 November, 2018
I think if there will be another delay, many will cancel the preorder, now only 3 days to launch is such a news would make me very angry. If they communicate this in the next few days I want to see what they have to improve again. I am still confident that they will not delay again
DJ Tecniq 9:23 PM - 25 November, 2018
They had a ton of time to work out the bugs on this product literally 6 months or more worth. Sorry not sorry🤷🏼‍♂️ But i still want it😉
DJ Tecniq 9:23 PM - 25 November, 2018
Whatever the case they made a ton of money on pre orders alone i bet.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 2:19 PM - 26 November, 2018
My Pre-Order's in. Hope they deliver in time. 2 days till release! Fingers crossed!
Despo 2:50 PM - 26 November, 2018
If they dont deliver i will cancel my pre order. I just bought 2 concorde ortofon digital mk2s because i lost my shures in a club last weekend and they're the fucking TRUTH. In my testing they skip even less than my n447s and I used to hate ortofons. Had qberts mk1 before and they skipped like crazy

Definately recommend those atm
DJ JulioYEG 4:09 PM - 26 November, 2018
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If they dont deliver i will cancel my pre order. I just bought 2 concorde ortofon digital mk2s because i lost my shures in a club last weekend and they're the fucking TRUTH. In my testing they skip even less than my n447s and I used to hate ortofons. Had qberts mk1 before and they skipped like crazy

Definately recommend those atm

Did you lose them or did some donate them to themselves?
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 4:22 PM - 26 November, 2018
yep, phase with another delay. Cancel your pre orders ASAP, this is not going to see the light of day for a hot minute.
MeeHow 5:09 PM - 26 November, 2018
ORDER UPDATE

Dear Phase Supporter,
With this letter we would like to update you regarding the status of your Phase order. Unfortunately, there have been some unforeseen delays in the manufacturing process, forcing us to revise our launch schedule.

Due to the current circumstances, the shipping date is now planned for the end of January. Setbacks in mass production can be unpredictable, even more so with a new and unique high-end device like Phase.

We sincerely apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused you.

Our support team will be fully available to answer all your questions and keep you informed on our social media accounts or via support@phase-project.com.

From all of us on the Phase team, we want to express our extreme gratitude for your support and patience. We are looking forward to delivering the product we are all waiting for.

Warmest regards,
The Phase Team.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 5:11 PM - 26 November, 2018
Q2 2019! LOL, Phase sucks anyways its not even worth the wait.
Clubber1970 5:11 PM - 26 November, 2018
Delivery date now postponed to end of January. Just got the newsletter by E-Mail.
Very annoying!
dj zaza 5:12 PM - 26 November, 2018
What a joke, I'm really speechless.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 5:13 PM - 26 November, 2018
Q2 baby, Q2! Told you suckers.
MeeHow 5:13 PM - 26 November, 2018
at the end of January they will postpone to Q3... due to... blah blah blah...
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 5:14 PM - 26 November, 2018
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at the end of January they will postpone to Q3... due to... blah blah blah...


no doubt!
Chino 5:42 PM - 26 November, 2018
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ORDER UPDATE

Dear Phase Supporter,
With this letter we would like to update you regarding the status of your Phase order. Unfortunately, there have been some unforeseen delays in the manufacturing process, forcing us to revise our launch schedule.

Due to the current circumstances, the shipping date is now planned for the end of January. Setbacks in mass production can be unpredictable, even more so with a new and unique high-end device like Phase.

We sincerely apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused you.

Our support team will be fully available to answer all your questions and keep you informed on our social media accounts or via support@phase-project.com.

From all of us on the Phase team, we want to express our extreme gratitude for your support and patience. We are looking forward to delivering the product we are all waiting for.

Warmest regards,
The Phase Team.


I just received this email too. It's disappointing but NOT the end of the world.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 5:43 PM - 26 November, 2018
I would suggest waiting for V2.0, that is the version I am now testing. Instead of being a sensor placed on top of the vinyl the 2.0 version is integrated directly into a 12” vinyl. I even told the Phase team not to go with the crappy MFG they chose, they are doing everything they can to cut corners and production costs- it def screwed them. I saw the first run of products and there were major tolerance issues and low grade electronic components that didn’t work as planned.
popnwave 5:44 PM - 26 November, 2018
Isn't it nice that this tech isn't needed to succeed? It will be gravy when it comes out, but this is what you get when you pre order anything these days, deeeeelaaaaaays or crappy surprises.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 6:05 PM - 26 November, 2018
I didn't receive the email but damn. Thats not good. I was hoping for a great X-Mas present. :-(
dj zaza 6:23 PM - 26 November, 2018
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I didn't receive the email but damn. Thats not good. I was hoping for a great X-Mas present. :-(

check the Spam folder I found them
Despo 6:48 PM - 26 November, 2018
does someone know how to cancel the pre-order?

Hate to say it, but turtle is probably right
Dj cuervo 6:55 PM - 26 November, 2018
They have the worst project manager team ever!!!! They spend all their time in marketing and getting endorsement. You send a email two days before the release date!!!!! Please let Pioneer or InMusic buy this company so we can finally get a product we have paid of in the Spring!!! Phase is a ghost!!!!!!!!!!!
Despo 7:02 PM - 26 November, 2018
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Did you lose them or did some donate them to themselves?


I just forgot them in a club, management is aware of it. I'll probably get them back and when I do I'll toss em straight in the trash where they belong along with my phase pre order lol
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 7:05 PM - 26 November, 2018
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Did you lose them or did some donate them to themselves?


I just forgot them in a club, management is aware of it. I'll probably get them back and when I do I'll toss em straight in the trash where they belong along with my phase pre order lol


Respect!
YZ 7:11 PM - 26 November, 2018
See, get all excited for what? Twelve destroyers? Move on guys, it was merely a DJ toy at best anyways.
dj zaza 7:14 PM - 26 November, 2018
Maybe soon they will write to us that they do not produce it anymore, since I think many will cancel the pre-orders.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 7:20 PM - 26 November, 2018
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Maybe soon they will write to us that they do not produce it anymore, since I think many will cancel the pre-orders.


Let's hope so! Everyone cancel your pre-orders ASAP!
Chino 8:08 PM - 26 November, 2018
I will patiently wait for the release of Phase to use with my 1200 MK2s.

I could be wrong but my gut feeling is that inMusic Brand feels extremely threatend by Phase. It is MUCH less expensive than a Rane 12. It also fills a very practical need for DJs who already own/use turntables. New DJs are also able to buy inexpensive turtables to be used with Phase. It's a win for everyone expect the competition.

IMHO, Phase will be DOPE(once released) and the competition KNOWS it!!!
AKIEM 8:17 PM - 26 November, 2018
delusion.

untracking, tired of waiting to see this joke kill my flawless Rane TWELVE.
Chino 8:26 PM - 26 November, 2018
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delusion.

untracking, tired of waiting to see this joke kill my flawless Rane TWELVE.

No product is "flawless". I recall the Rane 12 being "recalled" as well.

Phase is NOT the "Rane 12 killer". It's just an inexpensive option for DJs who already own turntables.
DJ Nin 8:43 PM - 26 November, 2018
They are gonna lose a TON of pre-orders over this delay.
Dj cuervo 9:15 PM - 26 November, 2018
They replied to me on Facebook and They miss their production window after the new design! Since they are not a big brand the manufacturer started on another project. They are next in line to start production in JAN!!!!
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 9:18 PM - 26 November, 2018
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They replied to me on Facebook and They miss their production window after the new design! Since they are not a big brand the manufacturer started on another project. They are next in line to start production in JAN!!!!


Q2 19 boys, Q2.
Dj cuervo 9:28 PM - 26 November, 2018
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They replied to me on Facebook and They miss their production window after the new design! Since they are not a big brand the manufacturer started on another project. They are next in line to start production in JAN!!!!


Q2 19 boys, Q2.


Right!!!!!! Productions starts in Jan so who knows how long it will take to complete the first run!!!! Terrible project management!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YZ 9:36 PM - 26 November, 2018
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I will patiently wait for the release of Phase to use with my 1200 MK2s.

I could be wrong but my gut feeling is that inMusic Brand feels extremely threatend by Phase.


Highly doubt a multi-million dollar empire gives 2 sh*t about some $50 stocking stuffer. Definitely not "threatened", certainly not "extremely threatened", more like they're laughing at this 2nd hand knockoff product built off inMusic's own tech developed when the phase kids were in high school.
The Return of Dj Sparky 11:19 PM - 26 November, 2018
www.facebook.com

confirmed delay but better to delay it then have to do a ranecall
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 12:33 AM - 27 November, 2018
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www.facebook.com

confirmed delay but better to delay it then have to do a ranecall


Wow Sparky, thank you ever so much for your valuable input and insight into something we all were entirely crystal clear on already. You're a true stand up guy and a valuable asset to the community!
DJ Ozah 1:01 AM - 27 November, 2018
Yeah I thought about it and I'm out. I can give a company two delays on a new product. But considering how they announced this last delay I've lost confidence in this brand to produce anything tangible/reliable within the next year. Second they are essentially getting a interest free loan from every pre-order customer. I'll continue to use my Shure's and maybe crack open the second pair I bought. Revisit Phase in 2019. My guess is the price is going to skyrocket once released to further punish those who canceled their pre-orders or the product will never see the light of day ( via buy out by Pioneer or Rane)
djed 1:52 AM - 27 November, 2018
Rane 13 is coming out by the time they release phase Dj 😊😄
dj_soo 2:48 AM - 27 November, 2018
I'd prefer a Rane Nine
Chino 3:24 AM - 27 November, 2018
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I'd prefer a Rane Nine


+1! NAMM is around the corner. Anything is possible ; )
DJ Tecniq 4:26 AM - 27 November, 2018
They’ll have a Serato Video update before Phase is released. Glad I wasn’t an early adopter on this product.
DJ Tecniq 4:28 AM - 27 November, 2018
My money will go to the Mixars Primo if it ever releases...🤷🏼‍♂️ Wish these new companies would just get their shit together.😬
dj zaza 9:01 AM - 27 November, 2018
I do not cancel my order because I want to see how far they arrive. They said it's a production problem, here on the forum there are those who say they are building a version 2. In my opinion they should be clearer than Phase and say things as they are, and make us participate in any changes in the project. Perhaps so the news of a new delay would have been less annoying. If they are really reviewing the entire product and want to start production in January then surely we should expect the umpteenth delay, but if this happens I think all their products can keep them in stock since no one will trust this company
Mighty Dragon Sounds 11:36 AM - 27 November, 2018
They would have Re-Made Ableton Bridge for Serato DJ Pro by the time this thing is released.......

Man..... I have a bunch of decks where the tone arm assembly isn't even in the unit anymore but the motor still works. This thing would have been perfect!
Chino 5:02 PM - 27 November, 2018
After giving it some thought...

Phase V2.0 built into the record is probably NOT a good idea! There is always a chance of warped vinyl due to heat. I believe another forum member mentioned this drawback too( I just can't remember who). A better idea would be to have magnetic transmitters the same size as 45 adapters.

At least the delay will give the Phase team additional time to iron out all the bugs(hopefully!)
DJ Ozah 6:49 PM - 27 November, 2018
I don't trust them with my money at this point. Not saying I won't purchase it from a retail store or maybe zzsounds etc but I refuse to let them continue to hang onto my money. Especially considering it's the full cost of the unit not 20% down or even 50%. Besides what's the advantage to pre-order? Still don't have the product, retail stores ship the same day and no mention of a free t-shirt/case nada. Just thanks for the cash and we are working on it. I was told 14 days from the date of refund request... and to top it off they have the nerve to continue to take pre-orders.......really Phase?

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After giving it some thought...

Phase V2.0 built into the record is probably NOT a good idea! There is always a chance of warped vinyl due to heat. I believe another forum member mentioned this drawback too( I just can't remember who). A better idea would be to have magnetic transmitters the same size as 45 adapters.

At least the delay will give the Phase team additional time to iron out all the bugs(hopefully!)
DJ Ozah 6:50 PM - 27 November, 2018
Sigh...I got nothing. #Defeated LMAO.



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delusion.

untracking, tired of waiting to see this joke kill my flawless Rane TWELVE.
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 7:13 PM - 27 November, 2018
Hate to brake it to ya, but add just a few more hundred to the ole Phase refund and get yourself a self respecting exceptional real piece of Hardware- the Rane 12!
Despo 7:42 PM - 27 November, 2018
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Hate to brake it to ya, but add just a few more hundred to the ole Phase refund and get yourself a self respecting exceptional real piece of Hardware- the Rane 12!


My technics 1210 made in the 70s is a self respecing exceptional real piece of hardware. Timeless just like my Rolex Submariner, ain't gonna throw that in the trash :D
TurtleFaceBrownNoser 7:43 PM - 27 November, 2018
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Hate to brake it to ya, but add just a few more hundred to the ole Phase refund and get yourself a self respecting exceptional real piece of Hardware- the Rane 12!


My technics 1210 made in the 70s is a self respecing exceptional real piece of hardware. Timeless just like my Rolex Submariner, ain't gonna throw that in the trash :D


I can respect that! My 12's are still purring today as well. Got me a M3D, 1200 MK2 and a 1210 MK2. Gotta love those beautys.
Gio Alex 9:26 PM - 27 November, 2018
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I'd prefer a Rane Nine


This
SUBSTANCE 2:00 AM - 28 November, 2018
Customers already telling them on FB that a T-shirt & a sticker won't satisfy the pre-orderers for the delays.
Not to mention the group of people who would proudly wear a Phase shirt has mysteriously gotten smaller in the last 24 hours.
DJ JulioYEG 2:05 AM - 28 November, 2018
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Customers already telling them on FB that a T-shirt & a sticker won't satisfy the pre-orderers for the delays.
Not to mention the group of people who would proudly wear a Phase shirt has mysteriously gotten smaller in the last 24 hours.

well put sir
HellNegative1 7:29 PM - 28 November, 2018
Already cancelled my pre-order. I wish we had a Rane 9, but the Rane 12 is on the horizon for me.
Mighty Dragon Sounds 9:53 PM - 28 November, 2018
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I'd prefer a Rane Nine


This


Well the old school (Well now a days considered old school) Technics SL-P1200??? With some modding you can make it pretty close to what a Rane 9 would be. ;-)
dj_soo 10:09 PM - 28 November, 2018
I have the denon sc3900s - it’s the same.

They both still rely on timecode tho and I’d specifically like to get away from that and have pure midi/hid like the Twelves.
DJ JulioYEG 10:45 PM - 28 November, 2018
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I have the denon sc3900s - it’s the same.

They both still rely on timecode tho and I’d specifically like to get away from that and have pure midi/hid like the Twelves.

do your denons work with the timecode on usb?
dj_soo 10:55 PM - 28 November, 2018
it has what's called "hybrid mode" which generates the control tone internally and allows the buttons to be midi mapped.

It's like phase where it's not the official noisemap timecode but rather a bootleg code that forms a perfect circle much like Phase.

Big minus is there's a fair amount of sticker drift and it'll initally flip into internal mode after a few minutes for some reason (although after flipping back to rel, it stays working).
HellNegative1 7:08 PM - 29 November, 2018
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it has what's called "hybrid mode" which generates the control tone internally and allows the buttons to be midi mapped.

It's like phase where it's not the official noisemap timecode but rather a bootleg code that forms a perfect circle much like Phase.

Big minus is there's a fair amount of sticker drift and it'll initally flip into internal mode after a few minutes for some reason (although after flipping back to rel, it stays working).


Does Serato actually charge licensing fees for the noisemap (it's offered as a free download on the site)?
The Return of Dj Sparky 7:48 PM - 29 November, 2018
They don't charge as they don't offer it for licensing as far as I know
AKIEM 10:01 PM - 29 November, 2018
14 or so years ago I almost secured a license to use it.....
HellNegative1 10:16 PM - 29 November, 2018
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14 or so years ago I almost secured a license to use it.....


Got tired of waiting on your number to be called at the DMV?
Ollieboy 5:38 AM - 30 November, 2018
They're probably trying to make sure they don't have a Samsung Galaxy Note 7 or hoverboard issue. A lithium ion in small casing like the transmitter might cause issues. Fire on the wheels of steel.
Dj cuervo 5:40 PM - 30 November, 2018
I wonder how phase is able to use the Serato control signal without a license. Maybe Serato put a stop to their release and they are in talks now to make phase a official accessory.
AKIEM 5:55 PM - 30 November, 2018
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I wonder how phase is able to use the Serato control signal without a license. Maybe Serato put a stop to their release and they are in talks now to make phase a official accessory.


it doesnt use the proprietary Control Signal. It uses a 1k tone which Serato will track movement but not location. with no needles there is nothing to locate
Dj cuervo 6:11 PM - 30 November, 2018
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I wonder how phase is able to use the Serato control signal without a license. Maybe Serato put a stop to their release and they are in talks now to make phase a official accessory.


it doesnt use the proprietary Control Signal. It uses a 1k tone which Serato will track movement but not location. with no needles there is nothing to locate



Ok thanks
YZ 10:20 PM - 30 November, 2018
Guys still here talking about this magical product huh?
The Return of Dj Sparky 11:18 PM - 30 November, 2018
i'll just be laughing my ass off at all your negativity towards this product when it really takes off, yes there was delays and production problems and they shouldn't have taken pre-orders but they did have to get start up capital for manufacturing
The Return of Dj Sparky 11:18 PM - 30 November, 2018
that's given it does what it says on the tin and has no tracking issues
Matt Sherman 12:10 AM - 1 December, 2018
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i'll just be laughing my ass off at all your negativity towards this product when it really takes off, yes there was delays and production problems and they shouldn't have taken pre-orders but they did have to get start up capital for manufacturing


I think YZ and TurtleFace are the same person.
Chino 1:22 AM - 1 December, 2018
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I think YZ and TurtleFace are the same person.


I was just thinking the same thing.

Some companies hire individuals to bash competitor products & promote others. It's a sad reality of our social media driven world.
Matt Sherman 1:23 AM - 1 December, 2018
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I think YZ and TurtleFace are the same person.


I was just thinking the same thing.

Some companies hire individuals to bash competitor products & promote others. It's a sad reality of our social media driven world.


I am looking forward to hearing back from Serato so we can get the official position on him trolling.
The Return of Dj Sparky 1:46 AM - 1 December, 2018
problem is they just sign up again, dude needs a bullet



















































































































































































































































































































a nutra bullet
dj_soo 1:55 AM - 1 December, 2018
Some of the racist and sexist shit he’s posted would be corporate suicide if it got back to them.

I think he’s just a troll who’s really bored and people can’t stop themselves from responding so he sticks around.
Matt Sherman 2:00 AM - 1 December, 2018
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Some of the racist and sexist shit he’s posted would be corporate suicide if it got back to them.

I think he’s just a troll who’s really bored and people can’t stop themselves from responding so he sticks around.


I think you are spot on.
HellNegative1 6:24 PM - 1 December, 2018
Not one post on this thread answered my question about putting milk in my tea....
Sam GG 4:13 AM - 3 December, 2018
Hey guys,

There is no way Mr. Brown Noser is associated with Serato. We are as baffled by his behaviour as you all are.

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I think he’s just a troll who’s really bored and people can’t stop themselves from responding so he sticks around.


This is probably the case :D

As you all know its totally fine to have personal opinions about hardware, we only get involved if the discussions start getting nasty. Forum rules are here if anyone is curious: serato.com

Thanks everyone!
Matt Sherman 4:30 AM - 3 December, 2018
Thank you for monitoring the situation Aaron E, and Sam GG.
dj_soo 4:35 AM - 3 December, 2018
You what would help? If this forum modernized tovat least 2008 levels and have us an ignore feature.
Matt Sherman 4:41 AM - 3 December, 2018
The problem with just using a ignore feature is lets say someone is blocked. You won't obviously see there post but others will and will possible respond to the blocked person. You are therefor left wondering who the person talking to the blocked person is talking to.
Chino 4:33 PM - 3 December, 2018
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Hey guys,

There is no way Mr. Brown Noser is associated with Serato. We are as baffled by his behaviour as you all are.


Is he affiliated, associated, and/or linked directly or indirectly to inMusic Brand?
Chino 4:44 PM - 3 December, 2018
Serato has class and is a reputable company. Serato would never resort to such aggressive trolling behavior. Unfortunately, inMusic Brand is an entirely different sort of company.

IMHO, I would NOT rule out the possibility of inMusic Brand 'indirectly' hiring an individual(s) to disparage competitor companies (Pioneer DJ) and products like Phase.
Matt Sherman 4:45 PM - 3 December, 2018
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Hey guys,

There is no way Mr. Brown Noser is associated with Serato. We are as baffled by his behaviour as you all are.


Is he affiliated, associated, and/or linked directly or indirectly to inMusic Brand?


Who knows! He appears to be a compulsive liar.
Matt Sherman 4:46 PM - 3 December, 2018
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Serato has class and is a reputable company. Serato would never resort to such aggressive trolling behavior. Unfortunately, inMusic Brand is an entirely different sort of company.

IMHO, I would NOT rule out the possibility of inMusic Brand 'indirectly' hiring an individual(s) to disparage competitor companies (Pioneer DJ) and products like Phase.


InMusic = ?
Chino 4:53 PM - 3 December, 2018
inMusic Brand = Rane, Denon, Numark, Akai, Marq Lighting & many other companies.

It's an umbrella corporation who's direct competition is Pioneer DJ. A product like PHASE would be in direct competition against the Rane Twelves.
DJ JulioYEG 5:07 PM - 3 December, 2018
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Thank you for monitoring the situation Aaron E, and Sam GG.

hows ur saddle? i think its getting pretty worn
DJ JulioYEG 5:07 PM - 3 December, 2018
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Not one post on this thread answered my question about putting milk in my tea....

milk goes before cereal
The Return of Dj Sparky 6:05 PM - 3 December, 2018
I just think its funny he deleted his youtube so he could not be identified
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:54 PM - 3 December, 2018
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I just think its funny he deleted his youtube so he could not be identified


I guess he didn't consider that when pursuing his agenda on the forums. He basically jettisoned his own youtube channel.

He has conditioned me to dislike the Rane 72, anytime i see the 72 i remember Aptidda.
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:55 PM - 3 December, 2018
i have to wait for extinction of this conditioned response
YZ 8:57 PM - 3 December, 2018
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I just think its funny he deleted his youtube so he could not be identified


I guess he didn't consider that when pursuing his agenda on the forums. He basically jettisoned his own youtube channel.

He has conditioned me to dislike the Rane 72, anytime i see the 72 i remember Aptidda.


Marketing genius imo.
The Return of Dj Sparky 9:45 PM - 3 December, 2018
I guess serato forgot to delete that other account of yours
dj_soo 10:03 PM - 3 December, 2018
Some of the alt-right rhetoric he spouts - including such endearing terms as “towelheads” wouldn’t be anything a company as large as InMusic would want to be associated with in 2018.
YZ 10:21 PM - 3 December, 2018
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I guess serato forgot to delete that other account of yours


Sorry, as much as I loved letting everyone think myself and turtlenose were the same... I'm sad to say, we're not. So how about that Phase huh! You guys liking it?
popnwave 10:34 PM - 3 December, 2018
That dude claimed to have $7000 build 2018 MacBook Pros, be part of the Phase beta team and many other silly things.

Honestly he was just sad braggart who fell back into old toxic habits.

And lol about YZ, I already gave him crap for associating with that doofus.
The Return of Dj Sparky 10:36 PM - 3 December, 2018
Yeah might not be him but I think you might know each other , anyhow I couldn't give a fuck, only a matter of time before the forum is full of his rane bullshit,

He is a perfect example of what happens when a console fanboy gets dj gear and they have to reassure themself's with their purchase by posting it every and defending a companies every move
The Return of Dj Sparky 10:39 PM - 3 December, 2018
Or a paid shill and he didn't have the brains for that
DJ Tecniq 10:40 PM - 3 December, 2018
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Who knows! He appears to be a compulsive liar.
With a drinking problem...
YZ 10:40 PM - 3 December, 2018
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That dude claimed to have $7000 build 2018 MacBook Pros, be part of the Phase beta team and many other silly things.

Honestly he was just sad braggart who fell back into old toxic habits.

And lol about YZ, I already gave him crap for associating with that doofus.


I still associate with him, we're business partners and both received Phase devices for beta. They're currently being used to keep the balcony door in my high rise luxury 4br apartment open when it gets a bit hot and steamy for the ladies. Ap's $7000 fully spec'd out macbook is a thing of glory too, it's very real. Take care guys.
DJ Tecniq 10:41 PM - 3 December, 2018
...with a drinking problem. Same as YZ go figure🤷🏼‍♂️
The Return of Dj Sparky 10:43 PM - 3 December, 2018
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Take care guys



And you take care of your methel health too
The Return of Dj Sparky 10:44 PM - 3 December, 2018
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Take care guys


And you take care of your mental health too
popnwave 10:49 PM - 3 December, 2018
Oh wow maybe Sparky was right LOL
Matt Sherman 11:00 PM - 3 December, 2018
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That dude claimed to have $7000 build 2018 MacBook Pros, be part of the Phase beta team and many other silly things.

Honestly he was just sad braggart who fell back into old toxic habits.

And lol about YZ, I already gave him crap for associating with that doofus.


I still associate with him, we're business partners and both received Phase devices for beta. They're currently being used to keep the balcony door in my high rise luxury 4br apartment open when it gets a bit hot and steamy for the ladies. Ap's $7000 fully spec'd out macbook is a thing of glory too, it's very real. Take care guys.


I don't buy it. Turtle and YZ are def the same person if you ask me lol
Chino 11:04 PM - 3 December, 2018
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I still associate with him, we're business partners and both received Phase devices for beta. They're currently being used to keep the balcony door in my high rise luxury 4br apartment open


This is just sad. Why would an adult go out of their way to discredit a product that is not even released yet?! At least give the product a chance to be publicly released and let DJs decide for themselves.

No worries, I will happily buy & review Phase once it is released...
Chino 11:16 PM - 3 December, 2018
I may not like the business practices of inMusic Brand BUT I still own some of their products (Rane 72, Denon 3900s Denon MC 6000MK2). I'm not a Pioneer DJ fanboy BUT I absolutely love the new Pioneer DJS-1000 sampler!!! My point is...

At the end of the day, these are all tools to help DJs be more creative. Like I said previously, there is more than enough room in the DJ market for ALL of these products! There is really no need to discredit one product in favor of another.
Matt Sherman 11:19 PM - 3 December, 2018
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I may not like the business practices of inMusic Brand BUT I still own some of their products (Rane 72, Denon 3900s Denon MC 6000MK2). I'm not a Pioneer DJ fanboy BUT I absolutely love the new Pioneer DJS-1000 sampler!!! My point is...

At the end of the day, these are all tools to help DJs be more creative. Like I said previously, there is more than enough room in the DJ market for ALL of these products! There is really no need to discredit one product in favor of another.


DJ Chino, are you in Orlando? There is or use to be a DJ chino here in Orlando.
Chino 11:29 PM - 3 December, 2018
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I wish!! I'm up here in the east coast dealing with the cold!! I've done some private events in the South Florida (Boca, Miami) area. My game plan is to relocate to South FL in the future...
Matt Sherman 11:31 PM - 3 December, 2018
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DJ Chino, are you in Orlando


I wish!! I'm up here in the east coast dealing with the cold!! I've done some private events in the South Florida (Boca, Miami) area. My game plan is to relocate to South FL in the future...


What's your format?
Chino 11:46 PM - 3 December, 2018
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I rock whatever format a client is paying me for. I literally go from DJing a Quinceanera and/or wedding this week to DJing a mitzvah, corporate event and/or holiday party the next. My music format constantly chances and it's one of the main reasons why I stay busy.

If I had to choose a music format preference it would be a mix of hip hop, latin & Bmore/Jersey Club (& a little ol' school Chicago house thrown in for good measure).

The BEST parties are the ones where I can take the crowd on a musical journey with different musical styles all in one night!!
Chino 11:51 PM - 3 December, 2018
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chances


*changes. There is that lingering need for an edit button on the forum, @Serato ; )
Michael R 9:18 PM - 5 December, 2018
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Hey guys,

There is no way Mr. Brown Noser is associated with Serato. We are as baffled by his behaviour as you all are.


Is he affiliated, associated, and/or linked directly or indirectly to inMusic Brand?

I don't think he's affiliated with any company, just a forum troll. Remember people like this will only hang around as long as you give them attention, so my advice is to ignore them and they'll go away ;)
The Return of Dj Sparky 9:42 PM - 5 December, 2018
Just like you ignore our feature requests and the customers are going away 🤣
YZ 9:45 PM - 5 December, 2018
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Just like you ignore our feature requests and the customers are going away 🤣


Ayeeeee!
DJ JulioYEG 11:30 PM - 5 December, 2018
yikes lol
Michael R 11:43 PM - 5 December, 2018
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Just like you ignore our feature requests and the customers are going away 🤣

You're still here! :)
Chino 12:12 AM - 6 December, 2018
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Just like you ignore our feature requests and the customers are going away 🤣

You're still here! :)


SAVAGE!! LMAO! This is why I love this forum! Always entertaining!!!
AKIEM 1:08 AM - 6 December, 2018
aHA
Mutis Mayfield 3:20 PM - 6 December, 2018
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Just like you ignore our feature requests and the customers are going away 🤣

You're still here! :)


Who said we are costumers? Maybe not trolls but some of us are just masochist :V
The Return of Dj Sparky 4:34 PM - 6 December, 2018
Mutis must have gotten a dictionary for their birthday
Michael R 12:24 AM - 7 December, 2018
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Who said we are costumers?

You can wear whatever you like ;)
DJ JulioYEG 12:41 AM - 7 December, 2018
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Who said we are costumers?

You can wear whatever you like ;)

MICHAEL UR A SAV LMFAO
DJ JulioYEG 12:41 AM - 7 December, 2018
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Mutis must have gotten a dictionary for their birthday

to be fair I dont think english is his first language. But that clap back will go in history
nik39 2:15 AM - 7 December, 2018
LOL!
Mutis Mayfield 10:12 AM - 7 December, 2018
Yes it isn’t and probably will be less funnier xD

Anyways I will wear Ableton the bridge t-shirt as reminder of my faults... oh wait!

;)
Gio Alex 9:50 PM - 7 December, 2018
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Just like you ignore our feature requests and the customers are going away 🤣


LMAO Dead!!!
DJ Tecniq 8:52 PM - 8 December, 2018
quote]Just like you ignore our feature requests and the customers are going away 🤣This was quite funny how bout that echo out though. Far from clean imo #trash👎🏼
DJ Tecniq 8:54 PM - 8 December, 2018
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This was quite funny...about that clean echo out though...so far from being clean. #trash 👎🏼
AKIEM 12:29 AM - 9 December, 2018
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This was quite funny...about that clean echo out though...so far from being clean. #trash 👎🏼
DJ Intrigue 5:36 PM - 10 December, 2018
This just in, Phase pushed to Q3 2019 LOL!
dj zaza 5:58 PM - 10 December, 2018
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This just in, Phase pushed to Q3 2019 LOL!

If phase will still be late I think they will have to abandon the project, because everyone will cancel the pre-orders and they will get a lot of negative comments.
YZ 8:34 PM - 10 December, 2018
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Just like you ignore our feature requests and the customers are going away 🤣

You're still here! :)


At Serato we never encourage trolling so action may be taken against your account. You'll be hearing from our forum moderator aptidda shortly. Good luck.
Matt Sherman 3:29 AM - 11 December, 2018
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Just like you ignore our feature requests and the customers are going away 🤣

You're still here! :)


At Serato we never encourage trolling so action may be taken against your account. You'll be hearing from our forum moderator aptidda shortly. Good luck.


TurtleFace is back!
Clubber1970 3:43 AM - 11 December, 2018
Unfortunatly he is back with his several accounts here talking with oneself in this forum. Everything is fake on him.
popnwave 3:47 PM - 11 December, 2018
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At Serato we never encourage trolling so action may be taken against your account. You'll be hearing from our forum moderator aptidda shortly. Good luck.


TurtleFace is back!


It's YZ and DJ Intrigue carrying that torch now.
YZ 4:25 PM - 11 December, 2018
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It's YZ and DJ Intrigue carrying that torch now.


As always...
DjKingBee 9:53 PM - 11 December, 2018
SO is there no date for this now? its been saying November and well we are in December now... I WANT THIS!
DJ Intrigue 10:15 PM - 11 December, 2018
everyone is going to have to wait patiently, expect to possibly wait up to 6-9 months.
YZ 8:34 PM - 12 December, 2018
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everyone is going to have to wait patiently, expect to possibly wait up to 6-9 months.


Better yet, can we close this thread since there is no such thing as this phase product everyone mentions? 4 pages of fairy tales, dreams and unicorns is no good for anyone.
Illiment 2:28 PM - 13 December, 2018
JANUARY 2019!!!!!!!!!!

just got the email.
Despo 9:38 PM - 13 December, 2018
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JANUARY 2019!!!!!!!!!!

just got the email.


i recommend canceling your order and just buying it retail, I'm not putting up with this shit anymore
dj_soo 10:03 PM - 13 December, 2018
I'm so glad I didn't preorder - I'd hate to have $350 just gone with nothing to show for it.

I'm going to wait for V2 personally.
DJ Intrigue 10:05 PM - 13 December, 2018
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I'm so glad I didn't preorder - I'd hate to have $350 just gone with nothing to show for it.

I'm going to wait for V2 personally.


Yep V1 is a proof of concept, that's about it. V2 is the one I have in beta, its going to be worth the 2 year wait.
YZ 10:31 PM - 13 December, 2018
by the time this wire nest piece of crap comes out there will be some other gimmick on the block you lemmings will throw money at. my 2c.
Illiment 4:25 AM - 14 December, 2018
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just got the email.


i recommend canceling your order and just buying it retail, I'm not putting up with this shit anymore



I live in Canada bro, I had to wait til August to get my twelves. Id rather have preordered in april and *hopefully* get them in Jan '19 then wait til canada has retail units to sell in 2040
dj_soo 5:18 AM - 14 December, 2018
Yea, I had to wait til June to get the 72 and even now, it's still barely available here.

Still no sign of the SC5000Ms either and we will likely miss out on the big sale prices by the time they arrive.

Don't forget about how we have to essentially pay double for RCF and Mixars gear for whatever reason.
DJ JulioYEG 2:13 PM - 14 December, 2018
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Yea, I had to wait til June to get the 72 and even now, it's still barely available here.

Still no sign of the SC5000Ms either and we will likely miss out on the big sale prices by the time they arrive.

Don't forget about how we have to essentially pay double for RCF and Mixars gear for whatever reason.

long and McQuade has them
dj_soo 10:07 PM - 14 December, 2018
not in vancouver
Chino 10:35 PM - 21 December, 2018
Just received the email...

FREE slip mats for those that preordered Phase ; ) They must of broke the piggy bank just to afford to give those away- LOL!
DJ Intrigue 10:39 PM - 21 December, 2018
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FREE slip mats for those that preordered Phase ; ) They must of broke the piggy bank just to afford to give those away- LOL!


notice the subtle additional delay hint where they mentioned that once they determine the type they will be sending out with pre orders....
DJ SYZER 12:19 AM - 26 December, 2018
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it has what's called "hybrid mode" which generates the control tone internally and allows the buttons to be midi mapped.

It's like phase where it's not the official noisemap timecode but rather a bootleg code that forms a perfect circle much like Phase.

Big minus is there's a fair amount of sticker drift and it'll initally flip into internal mode after a few minutes for some reason (although after flipping back to rel, it stays working).

I have the Denon S3700's still kicking to this day I suggest you midi map the play button to relative move that way it will never jump into internal mode.
DJ Intrigue 4:44 PM - 26 December, 2018
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it has what's called "hybrid mode" which generates the control tone internally and allows the buttons to be midi mapped.

It's like phase where it's not the official noisemap timecode but rather a bootleg code that forms a perfect circle much like Phase.

Big minus is there's a fair amount of sticker drift and it'll initally flip into internal mode after a few minutes for some reason (although after flipping back to rel, it stays working).

I have the Denon S3700's still kicking to this day I suggest you midi map the play button to relative move that way it will never jump into internal mode.


no one cares for your "suggestions" on your pile of shit old ass 3700's. That shit is trash.
HellNegative1 7:20 PM - 26 December, 2018
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it has what's called "hybrid mode" which generates the control tone internally and allows the buttons to be midi mapped.

It's like phase where it's not the official noisemap timecode but rather a bootleg code that forms a perfect circle much like Phase.

Big minus is there's a fair amount of sticker drift and it'll initally flip into internal mode after a few minutes for some reason (although after flipping back to rel, it stays working).

I have the Denon S3700's still kicking to this day I suggest you midi map the play button to relative move that way it will never jump into internal mode.


no one cares for your "suggestions" on your pile of shit old ass 3700's. That shit is trash.


I bet paint chips are delicious. Do the purple ones taste like grapes?
DJ Intrigue 7:43 PM - 26 December, 2018
After eating paint chips for breakfast, lunch and dinner 365 24/7 I can state the following flavor profiles:

Brown= root beer
Black= ass
Blue= cotton candy
Red= mango
Orange= tulip
Purple= roses
White= shoes
Yellow= pancake
Green= chili dog
Pang pang= tang tang
AKIEM 8:14 PM - 26 December, 2018
*yawn*
Dj cuervo 10:06 PM - 1 January, 2019
C'mon phase please no more delays!!!! 23 Days in coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YZ 3:22 PM - 2 January, 2019
You guys are extra thirsty for this thing, there will be something new that comes out this year, their time has come and gone already, move on.
Despo 3:29 PM - 2 January, 2019
waiting to see what this new technics turntable is gonna be about
Gio Alex 3:32 PM - 2 January, 2019
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Probably just a revamp 1200/1210 to put the nail in the coffin for the pioneer PLX-1000. I imagine it'll be an "affordable" model.
Despo 3:36 PM - 2 January, 2019
well I hope so, considering how shit the internals of the PLX-1000 are if you take a look inside and how bad they are with feedback issues

Watchwww.youtube.com

for anyone that hasn't seen it. Had some feedback issues at clubs that have them multiple times now, also the feel is different when nudging which also bothers me
Gio Alex 3:50 PM - 2 January, 2019
Yeah that's old news. I believe everyone in here knows about this.
DJ Marv the Maverick 4:30 PM - 2 January, 2019
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Probably just a revamp 1200/1210 to put the nail in the coffin for the pioneer PLX-1000. I imagine it'll be an "affordable" model.


Hopefully they are not sipping on their own kool-aid going for Pioneer like pricing system.

€599 will be the sweet spot for me. Not that I'm in the market for TTs anyways

I own 3 TTs already and doubt if I will ever return to doing mobiles with TTs.
Gio Alex 4:37 PM - 2 January, 2019
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Hopefully they are not sipping on their own kool-aid going for Pioneer like pricing system.


They most likely are though. We're taking about the same company that capitalized on turntables that were used mostly by DJs and released an audiophile version for $2,000-$4,000.

IF, this is gonna be a dj friendly version I have a feeling it'll be $799USD. 599 would be a sweet spot but I have a feeling they're gonna be sipping their own kool-aid like you said.
Chino 5:29 PM - 2 January, 2019
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Hopefully they are not sipping on their own kool-aid going for Pioneer like pricing system.


IF, this is gonna be a dj friendly version I have a feeling it'll be $799USD. 599 would be a sweet spot but I have a feeling they're gonna be sipping their own kool-aid like you said.


There is no doubt that we are looking at least $999 U.S. per deck if its a re-release of an updated 1200. Now if it's a more portable, mobile friendly 10" deck than the prices may be in the $599- $799 range...
Gio Alex 5:34 PM - 2 January, 2019
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Hopefully they are not sipping on their own kool-aid going for Pioneer like pricing system.


IF, this is gonna be a dj friendly version I have a feeling it'll be $799USD. 599 would be a sweet spot but I have a feeling they're gonna be sipping their own kool-aid like you said.


There is no doubt that we are looking at least $999 U.S. per deck if its a re-release of an updated 1200. Now if it's a more portable, mobile friendly 10" deck than the prices may be in the $599- $799 range...


You might be right. The G model is like 1699-1799
HellNegative1 6:46 PM - 2 January, 2019
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Hopefully they are not sipping on their own kool-aid going for Pioneer like pricing system.


IF, this is gonna be a dj friendly version I have a feeling it'll be $799USD. 599 would be a sweet spot but I have a feeling they're gonna be sipping their own kool-aid like you said.


There is no doubt that we are looking at least $999 U.S. per deck if its a re-release of an updated 1200. Now if it's a more portable, mobile friendly 10" deck than the prices may be in the $599- $799 range...


You might be right. The G model is like 1699-1799


If it is an updated version on the old 1200/10 mk2, Id be willing to pay $599-699 per deck, but that would be the max. OEM still goes for less than that mint, and I don't see Technics adding any super-oem (aside from tempo range buttons) features to the units.
Gio Alex 6:49 PM - 2 January, 2019
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Hopefully they are not sipping on their own kool-aid going for Pioneer like pricing system.


IF, this is gonna be a dj friendly version I have a feeling it'll be $799USD. 599 would be a sweet spot but I have a feeling they're gonna be sipping their own kool-aid like you said.


There is no doubt that we are looking at least $999 U.S. per deck if its a re-release of an updated 1200. Now if it's a more portable, mobile friendly 10" deck than the prices may be in the $599- $799 range...


You might be right. The G model is like 1699-1799


If it is an updated version on the old 1200/10 mk2, Id be willing to pay $599-699 per deck, but that would be the max. OEM still goes for less than that mint, and I don't see Technics adding any super-oem (aside from tempo range buttons) features to the units.


I highly doubt it'll be $599 (would be wonderful if it was) but if it is an update and goes for that price, no other turntable will sell again. They will literally own the dj turntable market. The might be cocky though, and go fill pioneer on us sell them for slightly less than the G model.
HellNegative1 1:27 AM - 3 January, 2019
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Hopefully they are not sipping on their own kool-aid going for Pioneer like pricing system.


IF, this is gonna be a dj friendly version I have a feeling it'll be $799USD. 599 would be a sweet spot but I have a feeling they're gonna be sipping their own kool-aid like you said.


There is no doubt that we are looking at least $999 U.S. per deck if its a re-release of an updated 1200. Now if it's a more portable, mobile friendly 10" deck than the prices may be in the $599- $799 range...


You might be right. The G model is like 1699-1799


If it is an updated version on the old 1200/10 mk2, Id be willing to pay $599-699 per deck, but that would be the max. OEM still goes for less than that mint, and I don't see Technics adding any super-oem (aside from tempo range buttons) features to the units.


I highly doubt it'll be $599 (would be wonderful if it was) but if it is an update and goes for that price, no other turntable will sell again. They will literally own the dj turntable market. The might be cocky though, and go fill pioneer on us sell them for slightly less than the G model.


I wish people would stop buying the Pioneer Decks. Every single time I have played on them using real vinyl, there are feedback issues.
dj_soo 4:13 AM - 3 January, 2019
Pioneer doesn't care about real vinyl it seems.

The well-known issues with their vinyl preamps in their cheaper lines should be evidence of that. I think they expect turntable users to be on DVS.
Gio Alex 6:09 PM - 3 January, 2019
yeah, i doubt pioneer made those in mind for people gigging at venues with vinyl. I feel like the aim was towards DVS with those decks.
AKIEM 7:13 PM - 3 January, 2019
i feel like the aim was con kool-aid drinkers
YZ 8:39 PM - 3 January, 2019
Hey guys you're getting off topic here for christ sakes! Supposed to be talking about the magical turntable things you paid for but will never get. C'mon.
Matt Sherman 12:53 AM - 4 January, 2019
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Hopefully they are not sipping on their own kool-aid going for Pioneer like pricing system.


IF, this is gonna be a dj friendly version I have a feeling it'll be $799USD. 599 would be a sweet spot but I have a feeling they're gonna be sipping their own kool-aid like you said.


There is no doubt that we are looking at least $999 U.S. per deck if its a re-release of an updated 1200. Now if it's a more portable, mobile friendly 10" deck than the prices may be in the $599- $799 range...


You might be right. The G model is like 1699-1799


If it is an updated version on the old 1200/10 mk2, Id be willing to pay $599-699 per deck, but that would be the max. OEM still goes for less than that mint, and I don't see Technics adding any super-oem (aside from tempo range buttons) features to the units.


I highly doubt it'll be $599 (would be wonderful if it was) but if it is an update and goes for that price, no other turntable will sell again. They will literally own the dj turntable market. The might be cocky though, and go fill pioneer on us sell them for slightly less than the G model.


I wish people would stop buying the Pioneer Decks. Every single time I have played on them using real vinyl, there are feedback issues.

I haven't experienced that yet.
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Hopefully they are not sipping on their own kool-aid going for Pioneer like pricing system.


IF, this is gonna be a dj friendly version I have a feeling it'll be $799USD. 599 would be a sweet spot but I have a feeling they're gonna be sipping their own kool-aid like you said.


There is no doubt that we are looking at least $999 U.S. per deck if its a re-release of an updated 1200. Now if it's a more portable, mobile friendly 10" deck than the prices may be in the $599- $799 range...


You might be right. The G model is like 1699-1799


If it is an updated version on the old 1200/10 mk2, Id be willing to pay $599-699 per deck, but that would be the max. OEM still goes for less than that mint, and I don't see Technics adding any super-oem (aside from tempo range buttons) features to the units.


I highly doubt it'll be $599 (would be wonderful if it was) but if it is an update and goes for that price, no other turntable will sell again. They will literally own the dj turntable market. The might be cocky though, and go fill pioneer on us sell them for slightly less than the G model.


I wish people would stop buying the Pioneer Decks. Every single time I have played on them using real vinyl, there are feedback issues.

I haven't experienced that yet.



Might be a DNB/Jungle thing.
Gio Alex 3:46 PM - 4 January, 2019
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wait what was this thread about again? haha
Gio Alex 4:47 PM - 4 January, 2019
They even said "revive". I think based on this it's safe to say this'll be a MK7

www.instagram.com
Mighty Dragon Sounds 6:34 PM - 4 January, 2019
Just got an email update.......

"Since the last update, we've made very good progress on the production of Phase and we estimate that there are only 10 days of production left before completing the very first batch of pre-orders.

As we approach the Chinese New Year, factories are running full swing before taking a short break until late February so production schedules are very tight. This could affect finalizing production in January and push the completion date to March, but we are doing our absolute best to finish this last step with our manufacturing partners to be on time.

We will continue to update you during these final stages of production and will notify you of an estimated shipping date very soon. "


We'll see
So Fresh 6:46 PM - 4 January, 2019
If the 7th brings a DVS / media player Technics, i’m out:/

Worst roll out of a product I’ve seen
Gio Alex 6:57 PM - 4 January, 2019
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Wait, how would that be a bad thing?
So Fresh 7:00 PM - 4 January, 2019
No it would be the best thing ever:)

I mean i’m Cancelling my phase pre order
Gio Alex 7:01 PM - 4 January, 2019
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I mean i’m Cancelling my phase pre order


ahhhhhh ok gotcha! lol i keep forgetting this is a phase thread
Chino 7:16 PM - 4 January, 2019
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"Since the last update, we've made very good progress on the production of Phase and we estimate that there are only 10 days of production left before completing the very first batch of pre-orders.

As we approach the Chinese New Year, factories are running full swing before taking a short break until late February so production schedules are very tight. This could affect finalizing production in January and push the completion date to March, but we are doing our absolute best to finish this last step with our manufacturing partners to be on time.

We will continue to update you during these final stages of production and will notify you of an estimated shipping date very soon. "


I received the same email. I'm usually an optimist but this seems like an attempt to cover their A$$. Phase will now resort to blaming the 'Chinese New Year' for production delays??!! That is just ridiculous! Come on.

Phase knew going into production that there are manufacturer scheduled days off. What's next?? Let's blame the Easter Bunny if Phase is not delivering on time???!!!
MeeHow 7:41 PM - 4 January, 2019
&who cares about the f color of slipmats (:
So Fresh 7:59 PM - 4 January, 2019
I actually find it insulting

Slip-mats:( WTF
DANGERUST 10:33 PM - 4 January, 2019
Im on the edge of cancelling
The Return of Dj Sparky 11:03 PM - 4 January, 2019
as much as i want to see phase succeed if they delay it again they are fucked and gonna lose half of the remaining pre orders and have a tough time getting people back onside
DJ Tecniq 11:03 PM - 4 January, 2019
More like “phased out”
YZ 2:08 AM - 5 January, 2019
Puppets on deck!
Ollieboy 4:09 AM - 5 January, 2019
I get that delays suck but I figure if you've ridden it this long might as well stay till it hits March. Unless you are really strapped for cash. That would be my cut off. They say they're 10 days away from complete so I'm thinking they should be ok since it's only Jan. 4th and the Chinese New Year is Feb. 5th ...but whatever we'll see....
05spoof 3:48 PM - 6 January, 2019
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Probably just a revamp 1200/1210 to put the nail in the coffin for the pioneer PLX-1000. I imagine it'll be an "affordable" model.


Wouldn't it be nice if there was some phase like technology under that platter.....hmmmmm

As much as I like the m5g's. a mark II version with ultra pitch just isn't enough in 2019. Now if it's a turntable that could play vinyl as well as act as rane 12....that's what up!
Gio Alex 3:59 PM - 6 January, 2019
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Probably just a revamp 1200/1210 to put the nail in the coffin for the pioneer PLX-1000. I imagine it'll be an "affordable" model.


Wouldn't it be nice if there was some phase like technology under that platter.....hmmmmm

As much as I like the m5g's. a mark II version with ultra pitch just isn't enough in 2019. Now if it's a turntable that could play vinyl as well as act as rane 12....that's what up!


I highly doubt that’ll be the case. I don’t think Panasonic/Technics is interested in making dj products. They like the money from it, but I don’t think they wanna get involved in it. I feel like it’s a company of old men. I could be wrong, but my speculation is when they were making dj friendly products it was a small team of young guys pushing those ideas. I think now it’s back to the old audiophile technics.

This model will just be an upgraded version that’s not a grand class model. It’ll be like the MK2/3/4/5/6, but just new at a modern pioneer style price. Like a “here guys, you’re happy now!?” Kind of approach. Maybe it’s a way for them to test waters.
CMOS 5:33 PM - 6 January, 2019
We have only 10 days of production left!!! However a holiday thats over 40 days away might affect us so we might push back 3 more months.


WTF? Thats a horrible email and makes me think they are either morons or have no idea when this will actually be ready.
dj zaza 5:50 PM - 6 January, 2019
Sorry, it's okay to complain here, but why not send them an email of complaints, I every time there is an update where you get the excuse to delay the release of the product, I complain directly with them, and I wrote more than one time they are not making a good impression
dj_soo 9:52 PM - 6 January, 2019
I'm so glad I don't have a few hundred dollars wrapped up in this.

I'm all for the technology and it seems cool, but this is a horrible first impression.

My worry is that they don't know how to "feature lock" their product to meet ship dates. It's like every delay they encounter, instead of focusing on only the problem they encountered and only the problem, they decide that now they can add/fix/improve a bunch of other shit they thought they had to ship with which inevitably causes more problems as a result.
Dirtbag Jules 5:39 PM - 7 January, 2019
Phase works with a battery. Every battery in every phone, electric toothbrush, shaving machine or laptop that I had died after 2 years......I wonder if the battery in this Phase device has the same lifespan and if it is possible to change it without tricky modifications. If not, I think this is an expansive product with a short life expectancy.
Despo 6:13 PM - 7 January, 2019
well my phone batteries held up for 5-6 years. Depending on the phone
DJ Ozah 6:53 PM - 7 January, 2019
Yep. I'm really happy I decided to ask for a refund about a month ago. It didn't take very long but I did feel a relief when the funds hit my bank account.
I can't trust this company after these last minute delays and excuses.
I'll wait until the product hits the retail shelf and has been used for a few months by the first adopters.


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I'm so glad I don't have a few hundred dollars wrapped up in this.

I'm all for the technology and it seems cool, but this is a horrible first impression.

My worry is that they don't know how to "feature lock" their product to meet ship dates. It's like every delay they encounter, instead of focusing on only the problem they encountered and only the problem, they decide that now they can add/fix/improve a bunch of other shit they thought they had to ship with which inevitably causes more problems as a result.
Illiment 7:31 PM - 7 January, 2019
what a shit show. I was really giving them the benefit of the doubt even after the last delay but if it gets put over to march....fuck.

I am on my last set of M447's and was really really hoping to have phase in hand by this month end. I mean i'll probably get by between my twelves, controllers and cdj's in the club but i'm really looking forward to just rolling up with phase and at most my s9 to rock a club/bar. This is nonsense. I wanted this last bit of life in the M447's to last strictly for regular vinyl at home. No way i'm about to drop for 4-5 bills for new ortofon carts at this point. What a piss off.
Gio Alex 8:18 PM - 7 January, 2019
that MK7 tho

djmag.com
AKIEM 9:16 PM - 7 January, 2019
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that MK7 tho

djmag.com


*trying to come up with excuses to cop that"
Gio Alex 9:30 PM - 7 January, 2019
we still dunno the price tho. I wanna say 799-999
Chino 9:42 PM - 7 January, 2019
I UNDER estimated the cost of raw materials. We may be looking closer to 1299 each.

Would you consider purchasing a set if they end up being $1999 each? (because of raw materials, marketing, inflation etc.) Making a 1200 in the 70s cost MUCH less than it would to make a 1200 today using the same(similar) materials.
AKIEM 9:49 PM - 7 January, 2019
there was a thread round time they announced the end of the Tech which predicted all this
Gio Alex 9:56 PM - 7 January, 2019
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I UNDER estimated the cost of raw materials. We may be looking closer to 1299 each.

Would you consider purchasing a set if they end up being $1999 each? (because of raw materials, marketing, inflation etc.) Making a 1200 in the 70s cost MUCH less than it would to make a 1200 today using the same(similar) materials.


I don't think it would be 1,999 because that's close to the G price, the non GR one. 1,299 would make more sense, but if they wanted you to buy them over the PLX1000 it would have to be 799-999. anything more than that, they're bugging. Cuz djs are not paying that much the spin dvs. Vinyl maybe. I know clubs bars will be skeptical considering how many crappy djs will spill drinks on them and/or place their shit controllers on top of the platter.

It's a hard sell because I got fully functioning 1210s at home, so this would be a novelty purchase. For most people would be the same too. Almost like an unnecessary buy. Not like too much has drastically changed to really merit the purchase.

So 1999 is a definitely not for me. 1299, is a no, 999 is a i'll think on it but there's other things to buy first. 799, you definitely have me in the add to cart debating. lol
Chino 10:00 PM - 7 January, 2019
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It's a hard sell because I got fully functioning 1210s at home, so this would be a novelty purchase. For most people would be the same too. Almost like an unnecessary buy. Not like too much has drastically changed to really merit the purchase.

So 1999 is a definitely not for me. 1299, is a no, 999 is a i'll think on it but there's other things to buy first. 799, you definitely have me in the add to cart debating. lol


Good to know. Hopefully, Technics is paying close attention to their user demographics.
AKIEM 10:00 PM - 7 January, 2019
^that
AKIEM 10:00 PM - 7 January, 2019
I meant ^^ that
Gio Alex 10:06 PM - 7 January, 2019
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Hopefully, Technics is paying close attention to their user demographics.


I doubt they are though. They seem to be very detached. I do hope they're not too greedy and paying close attention though like you said.

For starters this is a bit late. Most venues I know use CDJs mainly. Not saying they dont have turntables but the CDJs are usually the main setup.
Dj cuervo 10:45 PM - 7 January, 2019
MARCH 2019 is the new real date!!!!! Phase project team is worst ever!! They are still blaming the production company.
Ollieboy 11:00 PM - 7 January, 2019
Up close look with Scratch Bastid on the wheels
youtu.be
Illiment 11:50 PM - 7 January, 2019
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MARCH 2019 is the new real date!!!!! Phase project team is worst ever!! They are still blaming the production company.



that's confirmed?
Ollieboy 3:39 AM - 8 January, 2019
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MARCH 2019 is the new real date!!!!! Phase project team is worst ever!! They are still blaming the production company.



that's confirmed?

Nope, I haven't seen a email.
Illiment 3:42 AM - 8 January, 2019
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MARCH 2019 is the new real date!!!!! Phase project team is worst ever!! They are still blaming the production company.



that's confirmed?

Nope, I haven't seen a email.



me either
Dj cuervo 4:12 PM - 8 January, 2019
From Phase email

PRODUCTION UPDATE

Since the last update, we've made very good progress on the production of Phase and we estimate that there are only 10 days of production left before completing the very first batch of pre-orders.

As we approach the Chinese New Year, factories are running full swing before taking a short break until late February so production schedules are very tight. This could affect finalizing production in January and push the completion date to March, but we are doing our absolute best to finish this last step with our manufacturing partners to be on time.

We will continue to update you during these final stages of production and will notify you of an estimated shipping date very soon.
HellNegative1 7:16 PM - 8 January, 2019
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It's a hard sell because I got fully functioning 1210s at home, so this would be a novelty purchase. For most people would be the same too. Almost like an unnecessary buy. Not like too much has drastically changed to really merit the purchase.

So 1999 is a definitely not for me. 1299, is a no, 999 is a i'll think on it but there's other things to buy first. 799, you definitely have me in the add to cart debating. lol


Good to know. Hopefully, Technics is paying close attention to their user demographics.


Price confirmed in the UK at 899. Waiting on a USD confirmation, but if like other trends in music equipment, it will either be $899 or $949.
05spoof 1:12 AM - 9 January, 2019
Probably 1K USD just so they don't harshly undercut the GAE, G, & GR sales. I'de imagine if the those models didn't exist we would be looking at a $799 deck.

Does the MK7 use the same motor as the exotic models? That brushed plinth on the GAE sure is purtty.
WildcardX 2:19 PM - 9 January, 2019
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Probably 1K USD just so they don't harshly undercut the GAE, G, & GR sales. I'de imagine if the those models didn't exist we would be looking at a $799 deck.

Does the MK7 use the same motor as the exotic models? That brushed plinth on the GAE sure is purtty.


I actually thought the G Series was a limited run production.
DJ JulioYEG 4:10 PM - 9 January, 2019
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what a shit show. I was really giving them the benefit of the doubt even after the last delay but if it gets put over to march....fuck.

I am on my last set of M447's and was really really hoping to have phase in hand by this month end. I mean i'll probably get by between my twelves, controllers and cdj's in the club but i'm really looking forward to just rolling up with phase and at most my s9 to rock a club/bar. This is nonsense. I wanted this last bit of life in the M447's to last strictly for regular vinyl at home. No way i'm about to drop for 4-5 bills for new ortofon carts at this point. What a piss off.

check out jico styluses. Mojaxx recommends them. I will use them after my s-120s die
05spoof 4:31 PM - 9 January, 2019
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I actually thought the G Series was a limited run production.


Are they? I haven't been paying much attention after knowing the prices.
YZ 4:57 PM - 9 January, 2019
So what are we talking about here? The new Technics or this magical state of the art wireless toy you guys pre ordered 4yrs ago?
Gio Alex 5:04 PM - 9 January, 2019
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So what are we talking about here? The new Technics or this magical state of the art wireless toy you guys pre ordered 4yrs ago?


LOL yeah we got carried away.
Gio Alex 5:05 PM - 9 January, 2019
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So what are we talking about here? The new Technics or this magical state of the art wireless toy you guys pre ordered 4yrs ago?


What's a serato thread without a good ole derail?
YZ 5:09 PM - 9 January, 2019
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So what are we talking about here? The new Technics or this magical state of the art wireless toy you guys pre ordered 4yrs ago?


What's a serato thread without a good ole derail?


Facts
MeeHow 5:30 PM - 9 January, 2019
Hello All,
We have definitive news direct from our factory regarding Phase production and your order shipping :

Phase delivery schedule
• FEBRUARY 25: the factory reopens, and production starts again.
• MARCH 8: Phase production finishes. Package preparation and shipment to the warehouse.
• MARCH 22: Start of Phase deliveries to customers (all of you who pre-ordered will receive Phase in the following days).

Why is it delayed to March?
As mentioned in the previous update, there was a slight chance we would be delayed to March due to the factory closing for Chinese New Year.
Unfortunately, this is the case for Phase's production which means it will resume at the end of February when the factory reopens.

Many apologies for this last delay. We are as eager as all of you to start shipping Phase. This news is hard to receive, but encouraging that we have official dates from our factory. We are getting closer and closer!
This is the final stretch and soon everyone will be able to enjoy Phase.

Many, many thanks for your continued patience and support.
We will look to update you with more news over the coming weeks.

Best,
Phase Team.



WTF,
MeeHow 5:32 PM - 9 January, 2019
IF they will start shipping on March22nd to US customers - we will have on April,
eventually,
MeeHow 5:35 PM - 9 January, 2019
It seems like Phase project is waay too big for a small company like MWM,
HK1200 5:51 PM - 9 January, 2019
I'll wait and see how happy people are in January 2020. Then maybe.

Too many missteps this early on makes me wonder if these visionaries actually know what they're doing when it comes to getting a quality product to market. If they just shopped their vision to offshore manufacturers and they left it all to them to source parts for and produce at a particular price point, who knows what the final build quality is really going to be like... especially on the first iteration.

Also, since these things presumably have lithium ion based batteries in them they cannot be shipped by air. Better hope the boat isn't too slow, the longshoreman are feeling productive, customs clearance goes smoothly and they have enough pre-order cash left for duties and their paperwork in order, otherwise the 22nd might be who knows when. Then they'll ship ground from the warehouse to end users, assuming they follow the rules Plus they need to get them to distributors for everyone who didn't buy direct.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out. I'll remain skeptical-ly hopeful, but not invested in it.
Chino 5:57 PM - 9 January, 2019
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As mentioned in the previous update, there was a slight chance we would be delayed to March due to the factory closing for Chinese New Year.
Unfortunately, this is the case for Phase's production which means it will resume at the end of February when the factory reopens.


... WOW?! Not surprised, though.
MeeHow 6:07 PM - 9 January, 2019
@HK1200
great post!

I've per-orderded mine :(
DJ Nin 6:25 PM - 9 January, 2019
Actually, they should still be able to ship via air.

Assuming Phase would be classified as UN 3481 Lithium Ion Batteries contained in equipment which is considered dangerous goods but can still fly. UN 3480 is the restricted classification which applies to stand alone lithium ION batteries.

Regardless though, there is yet another frustrating delay and inevitably they will lose even more per-orders now.
HellNegative1 6:42 PM - 9 January, 2019
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Actually, they should still be able to ship via air.

Assuming Phase would be classified as UN 3481 Lithium Ion Batteries contained in equipment which is considered dangerous goods but can still fly. UN 3480 is the restricted classification which applies to stand alone lithium ION batteries.

Regardless though, there is yet another frustrating delay and inevitably they will lose even more per-orders now.



They do fall under IATA regulations, but with all these delays.... it leaves me wondering if international shipping via air to each personal address will be there method or via container to port of long beach then handled by a US distributor.
HK1200 6:55 PM - 9 January, 2019
Good to know!
Dj cuervo 7:18 PM - 9 January, 2019
Quote:
Hello All,
We have definitive news direct from our factory regarding Phase production and your order shipping :

Phase delivery schedule
• FEBRUARY 25: the factory reopens, and production starts again.
• MARCH 8: Phase production finishes. Package preparation and shipment to the warehouse.
• MARCH 22: Start of Phase deliveries to customers (all of you who pre-ordered will receive Phase in the following days).

Why is it delayed to March?
As mentioned in the previous update, there was a slight chance we would be delayed to March due to the factory closing for Chinese New Year.
Unfortunately, this is the case for Phase's production which means it will resume at the end of February when the factory reopens.

Many apologies for this last delay. We are as eager as all of you to start shipping Phase. This news is hard to receive, but encouraging that we have official dates from our factory. We are getting closer and closer!
This is the final stretch and soon everyone will be able to enjoy Phase.

Many, many thanks for your continued patience and support.
We will look to update you with more news over the coming weeks.

Best,
Phase Team.



WTF,

Quote:
Hello All,
We have definitive news direct from our factory regarding Phase production and your order shipping :

Phase delivery schedule
• FEBRUARY 25: the factory reopens, and production starts again.
• MARCH 8: Phase production finishes. Package preparation and shipment to the warehouse.
• MARCH 22: Start of Phase deliveries to customers (all of you who pre-ordered will receive Phase in the following days).

Why is it delayed to March?
As mentioned in the previous update, there was a slight chance we would be delayed to March due to the factory closing for Chinese New Year.
Unfortunately, this is the case for Phase's production which means it will resume at the end of February when the factory reopens.

Many apologies for this last delay. We are as eager as all of you to start shipping Phase. This news is hard to receive, but encouraging that we have official dates from our factory. We are getting closer and closer!
This is the final stretch and soon everyone will be able to enjoy Phase.

Many, many thanks for your continued patience and support.
We will look to update you with more news over the coming weeks.

Best,
Phase Team.



WTF,



Phase does not have the money to completed the order. If They had the capital the factory will work overtime to meet their deadline!!!!!!!!!
DJ Tecniq 7:45 PM - 9 January, 2019
From Phase Team - Good news Phase is now ready for shipping but we had minor setbacks w/production involving the Chinese New Year therefore our product will not be available till April....

“Just kidding we actually don’t know when our product will be released” - April Fools🤣 - Phase Team
DJ Tecniq 7:53 PM - 9 January, 2019
Here’s the official update from their email. Exciting news.

Hello All,
We have definitive news direct from our factory regarding Phase production and shipping :

Phase delivery schedule
FEBRUARY 25: the factory reopens, and production starts again.
MARCH 8: Phase production finishes. Package preparation and shipment to the warehouse.
MARCH 22: Start of Phase deliveries to customers (everyone who pre-ordered will receive their Phase in the following days).

Why is it delayed to March?
As mentioned in the previous update, there was a slight chance we would be delayed to March due to the factory closing for Chinese New Year.
Unfortunately, this is the case for Phase's production which means it will resume at the end of February when the factory reopens.

Many apologies for this last delay. We are as eager as all of you to start shipping Phase. This news is hard to receive, but encouraging that we have official dates from our factory. We are getting closer and closer!
This is the final stretch and soon everyone will be able to enjoy Phase.

Many, many thanks for your continued patience and support.
We will look to update you with more news over the coming weeks.

Best,
Phase Team.
The Return of Dj Sparky 7:59 PM - 9 January, 2019
Sorry phase but you deserve all the hate now, I was very excited for this products future but your delay after delay is a joke, if you were not sure when it was going to release you should have just waited to announce it
dj_soo 8:04 PM - 9 January, 2019
They needed all that sweet pre-order money to finance the project.

They should have just started a kickstarter or something.
Mr. Goodkat 8:17 PM - 9 January, 2019
its funny cuz ppl complain about the big companies like pioneer controlling everything and doing the same thing all the time, but when a small company tries to innovate and do some new stuff, ppl start hating due to a few months of inconvenience.

of course there roll has been terrible but its a few hundred dollars, if you were gonna use these, you would have had something to use in the interim. Lets just be realistic and wait to hate on these guys when their system inevitably fails due to lack of money on their and poor battery life(just kidding).
Mr. Goodkat 8:17 PM - 9 January, 2019
to lack of money on their end
The Return of Dj Sparky 8:25 PM - 9 January, 2019
It's the way they went about it that is leaving a sour taste in people's mouth, if they did a Kickstarter I could understand but they probably knew all this and just needed pre orders for capital , one delay was bad enough but a second one and they knew of the manufacturing schedules around Chinese new year ,

My advice is get a refund before the company goes bust
DJ JulioYEG 8:26 PM - 9 January, 2019
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its funny cuz ppl complain about the big companies like pioneer controlling everything and doing the same thing all the time, but when a small company tries to innovate and do some new stuff, ppl start hating due to a few months of inconvenience.

of course there roll has been terrible but its a few hundred dollars, if you were gonna use these, you would have had something to use in the interim. Lets just be realistic and wait to hate on these guys when their system inevitably fails due to lack of money on their and poor battery life(just kidding).

I agree but at the same marketing is key and this ruined there whole pitch that got all the pre orders was ruined by the hiccups imo
SUBSTANCE 8:30 PM - 9 January, 2019
scamateurs...

how the hell did they not factor chinese new year into the equation?!

oh well, at least we got to vote on the colour of the slip mat...

Coming next, Phase Festival.... it's in September, october, december, feb, or march. Exciting! you should come... pay up front tho.
Illiment 8:31 PM - 9 January, 2019
I was so irritated at all the negative nancy's from the beginning. Even more so now that they were right. Ugh.
SUBSTANCE 8:32 PM - 9 January, 2019
the troll you all hate on here actually predicted this a long time ago............. Q2 2019
The Return of Dj Sparky 8:34 PM - 9 January, 2019
A broken clock is also right twice a day
HK1200 8:37 PM - 9 January, 2019
And there's still no telling if he was right, currently being week 2 of Q1 and all.
Chino 8:41 PM - 9 January, 2019
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It's the way they went about it that is leaving a sour taste in people's mouth

^^THIS

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if they did a Kickstarter I could understand but they probably knew all this and just needed pre orders for capital ,


Exactly. I have no problem funding Kickstarter projects that I believe in. Its the way they went about it all. Hype, then delay after delay & passing on the blame due to the 'Chinese New Year'. Not cool. Its not like that is a new holiday. Its equivalent if not bigger than Christmas is here in the States. The hard working people in the factories deserve to have time off to spend with their families too!
SUBSTANCE 9:07 PM - 9 January, 2019
Phase is saying March, which is Q2.
At this point, the 'stopped clock' has proven more accurate than the information from Phase.
Given their track record, I'm sceptical if these things even work.
SUBSTANCE 9:11 PM - 9 January, 2019
I notice PHASE haven't updated their FB page.
Perhaps they don't want ANOTHER 400 angry comments, or people quoting their guarantee of a January shipping date.
The Return of Dj Sparky 9:28 PM - 9 January, 2019
Be interesting if they have the capitol to survive if most people cancel their pre orders
djgcue 9:41 PM - 9 January, 2019
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Phase is saying March, which is Q2.
At this point, the 'stopped clock' has proven more accurate than the information from Phase.
Given their track record, I'm sceptical if these things even work.


Assuming MMW is on a calendar year business cycle, March is still Q1, April is the start of Q2.

For now, I'm glad I stuck to the "fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me."

Cancelled after the 2nd delay.
djgcue 9:44 PM - 9 January, 2019
*MWM
YZ 9:48 PM - 9 January, 2019
Lol these phase cats are playing all of you and y'all keep your pre order with them? Tripping
SUBSTANCE 11:15 PM - 9 January, 2019
Ok sure. March 22 is still Q1. Just.
Even if they start shipping March 22, many customers won't actually have them in hand until April.
The irony of DJs waiting because 'no-one works on new years'.
AKIEM 2:22 AM - 10 January, 2019
Rane Twelve Vs Technics 1200mk7 + Phase

anyone?
MeeHow 2:01 PM - 10 January, 2019
MWM should apply some discount to everyone who per-ordered or give something extra for holding up their $ for so long,
super unprofessional!
MeeHow 2:29 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Rane Twelve Vs Technics 1200mk7 + Phase

anyone?


I would go with the second option - so you can still play "real" records, if you have any (:
djgcue 4:10 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Rane Twelve Vs Technics 1200mk7 + Phase

anyone?


My exact two consideration options. With the high MSRP on the MK7 and the 3rd delay for the Phase, I'm going Rane Twelves. I'll keep my M3Ds when I need to play my vinyl.
Gio Alex 4:36 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Rane Twelve Vs Technics 1200mk7 + Phase

anyone?


I'm not into phase at ll. If you got issues with needles then just use a controller, cdj or something. That's just my opinion. I get it for emergency situations, but might as well have a Twelve or CDJ if you're not using vinyl anyway.
slimmjimm 5:11 PM - 10 January, 2019
My only real draw to Phase was price. Sure, I thought twice about my Twelves purchase, when I could have spent a lot less money on Phase, but at least I am actually using them instead of waiting. I’d be mighty pissed right now.

Depending on how they plan to ship these won’t see anybody’s doorstep in March.
YZ 6:17 PM - 10 January, 2019
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Rane Twelve Vs Technics 1200mk7 + Phase

anyone?


No comparison imo. One doesn't even play records.
dj_soo 6:28 PM - 10 January, 2019
The other doesn’t actually exist at this point tho.
Gio Alex 6:28 PM - 10 January, 2019
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The other doesn’t actually exist at this point tho.


LMAO

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Rane Twelve Vs Technics 1200mk7 + Phase

anyone?


No comparison imo. One doesn't even play records.


True
HellNegative1 7:02 PM - 10 January, 2019
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The other doesn’t actually exist at this point tho.


This legit made me laugh out loud at my desk.
AKIEM 7:24 PM - 10 January, 2019
lol dang
HK1200 7:25 PM - 10 January, 2019
Lmfao
YZ 9:10 PM - 10 January, 2019
#phukphase
#phaseout
#phake
#phony
DJ Tecniq 3:02 AM - 11 January, 2019
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MWM should apply some discount to everyone who per-ordered or give something extra for holding up their $ for so long,
super unprofessional!
They are Phase slipmats i think that’s all...
Mr. Goodkat 6:39 PM - 11 January, 2019
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#phukphase
#phaseout
#phake
#phony


#hashtagsdontworkonseratoforum
HK1200 7:08 PM - 11 January, 2019
No, they don't, but with Serato you can make the whole place #.
The Return of Dj Sparky 7:10 PM - 11 January, 2019
we call them crash tags around here
Dj cuervo 8:25 PM - 11 January, 2019
I wish they would have partnered with one of the major DJ hardware company to get the product out.
Gio Alex 7:38 PM - 13 January, 2019
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we call them crash tags around here


lol
nik39 12:41 PM - 14 January, 2019
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we call them crash tags around here

😂
djcrap 8:07 PM - 14 January, 2019
wait what?

did some one say

crash tag seroto
bug tag 2.1
MeeHow 2:07 PM - 16 January, 2019
wonder if they -MWM will have stand at NAMM (: I would just go there and "deliver-it-to-myself" my pre-order... lmao
DJ Tecniq 2:08 PM - 16 January, 2019
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wonder if they -MWM will have stand at NAMM (: I would just go there and "deliver-it-to-myself" my pre-order... lmao
haha right. Oh I’m just here to pick up my preorder nothing to see...
YZ 5:06 PM - 16 January, 2019
Just checking to see if you guys are still here, holding hands together as you hallucinate over a mythical piece of dj gear.
The Return of Dj Sparky 8:05 PM - 16 January, 2019
you must really feel threatened by phase YZ, what's your problem with it, other then countless delays
Gio Alex 4:28 PM - 17 January, 2019
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Just checking to see if you guys are still here, holding hands together as you hallucinate over a mythical piece of dj gear.


lmao
Chino 5:38 PM - 18 January, 2019
If anyone is still interested in Phase, I received this email this morning...

"Hello All,

Our MWM team is officially attending the 2019 NAMM Convention in Anaheim, Ca, USA from January 24th - 27th and yes...the latest version of Phase will be there! As we continue the journey to Phase’s March ship date, we look forward to sharing the updated story of this brand new, game-changing technology at the convention.

This year, we have invited some of our DJ friends back to the MWM booth to showcase, host scratch sessions, and share thoughts on the latest version of Phase.

We have put together the perfect lineup of open format DJs and turntablists and expect to see some great routines from world-renowned DJs such as: Miles Medina, Dynamix, FlipFlop, Boi Jeanius, Javin and many more. In addition to Phase, the MWM booth will also be showcasing other featured products such as: the Mixfader and our top-selling music application, edjing Mix.

It’s been a year of tremendous growth and education for all of us at MWM.
If you’re attending NAMM, stop by our booth to see more of what we have planned for 2019.

Booth info and full NAMM lineup to be announced.

Make sure to follow us on Facebook and Instagram starting Thursday January 24th for more news!"
Dj cuervo 10:05 PM - 18 January, 2019
Quote:
If anyone is still interested in Phase, I received this email this morning...

"Hello All,

Our MWM team is officially attending the 2019 NAMM Convention in Anaheim, Ca, USA from January 24th - 27th and yes...the latest version of Phase will be there! As we continue the journey to Phase’s March ship date, we look forward to sharing the updated story of this brand new, game-changing technology at the convention.

This year, we have invited some of our DJ friends back to the MWM booth to showcase, host scratch sessions, and share thoughts on the latest version of Phase.

We have put together the perfect lineup of open format DJs and turntablists and expect to see some great routines from world-renowned DJs such as: Miles Medina, Dynamix, FlipFlop, Boi Jeanius, Javin and many more. In addition to Phase, the MWM booth will also be showcasing other featured products such as: the Mixfader and our top-selling music application, edjing Mix.

It’s been a year of tremendous growth and education for all of us at MWM.
If you’re attending NAMM, stop by our booth to see more of what we have planned for 2019.

Booth info and full NAMM lineup to be announced.

Make sure to follow us on Facebook and Instagram starting Thursday January 24th for more news!"




Still doing Showcases without releasing the products they have!!!! SMDH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DJ Tecniq 11:40 PM - 18 January, 2019
Still waiting till it hits retail cause I’m sure I’ll get a discount on it👍🏼 Not gonna be a sheep like most😉
Illiment 1:07 AM - 19 January, 2019
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Still waiting till it hits retail cause I’m sure I’ll get a discount on it👍🏼 Not gonna be a sheep like most😉



Lmao not gonna be a sheep.....still gonna cop 😂😂😂😂
YZ 8:49 PM - 21 January, 2019
UPDATE! Phase is an official sponsor at the 2019 Fyre Festival!
Gio Alex 9:18 PM - 21 January, 2019
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UPDATE! Phase is an official sponsor at the 2019 Fyre Festival!


😩

Ouch!
MeeHow 4:11 PM - 22 January, 2019
LMAO aaaaahahahahahahaha
Get ready to see Festival has been postponed due to blah blah blah blaaahahah