uhhhhhhh.....................................

The million dollar question is does this new mixer use both SL and SDJ just like the 62?

They are MIDI enabled mixers. They wouldn't be considered controllers because they don't have a dedicated section for transport controls.

No they confirmed it will only be compatible w/SDJ. SSL is long discontinued.

Bruh it's really no different than a Rane 62 or 57mkII or even the old ttm57. They all do the same thing and have software built in.

SSL is discontinued software - we no longer develop this software so no new hardware will work with it :)

SDJ support coming in the future!

Dave W - Does this mean the rumored re-release of the Rane SL4 will only have SDJ compatibility?

Obviously!

they have a soundcard built in

Serato software/soundcard same thing right.

Wait so it's being released without SDJ support?

Regarding the MP2015 LE, is this a non-USA manufactured product now?

Was wondering that myself but I thought it was a typo🤔 ^

The SL4 will work with Scratch Live, as the new ones are being built to the old spec :)

He means as the mixer is coming in the future, so is Serato DJ support :) The Seventy-Two will be supported by Serato DJ on launch.

Sorry, I left too much room for assumption there guys.

As Michael said - new SL4 will work with SSL as technically not new hardware, just a re-release ;)

I'm sure you guys are aware the 72 isn't available for purchase yet. Once it is available in the future, it will be supported by SDJ.

Since the new sl 4 is being released to old spec why not just throw us a born with a minor update for ssl compatibility ..say like windows 10 and the latest last release of mac os

Born = bone

Lol

You what just for get that give me a post edit button!

I will be happy

Will the original SL4's be worth more? Made in the U.S.of A.?

I'm curious of this too. Will the SL4 be cheaper this time? A re-release for what exactly? So it will offer nothing new? I didn't think the SL4 was so high in demand and could still be bought today?

prob makes the most sense since everyone is going to two soundcard setups plus its the most exp and prob has the highest profit margin

Right i just don't understand though can't the SL4 still be bought today or was it discontinued or something? Lol oh duh Rane got bought out. So they are pretty much just rebranding it I guess.

When InMusic purchased Rane they continued to sell the SL4 until they ran out of stock. This is new stock. No re-branding, just manufactured in a different place :)

Gotcha so in a nutshell it will be the same price for something as old as what 5-6 yrs ago? Correct

No idea about the price sorry, that's a question for Rane.

Hopefully it will be a bit cheaper for a product that came out in 2011. Let's hope it won't have as much connection issues as the other Rane products.

Is that the same for the MP2015 LE?

It's the same spec, so if there were problems then they would still exist. What connection problems are you talking about?

Not sure about the MP2015 sorry, but I imagine it's the same :)

I don't have any issues I use a Pioneer mixer but weekly I read topics on the forum "all the time" of connection issues with Rane products and usually the users have all drivers and firmware and "still" can't get them to connect and have to go through support every time. May want to tweak that as I have read tons.

Hmm that could be a lot of things, not just one cause. We can resolve most connection issues if people reach out to us, as it can be a combination of things that can cause this (corrupt driver, conflicting devices etc.). As far as I'm aware there isn't a particular connection bug in Serato DJ causing any issues.

Really I see "failed to connect" like everyday on the forum lol.

You may well, but you haven't read what I've said. What I said was as far as I'm aware there isn't a bug in SDJ that causes this. This issue can be caused by many, many different things so there's no fix that we can do. However if you get in touch with our Support Team we can resolve most connection issues :)

Just heard the release date for the 72 got pushed back to Q1 2018. I wonder why and how this could affect any potential holiday sales they bring in. I was looking to get one before Thanksgiving and use it for my upcoming holiday events. 😕

^^^ Is this news directly from inMusic Brand (RANE)? It would not surprise me if that is the case. Oh well, it gives inMusic Brand more time to make sure everything is working right & Ill have more $$$ to spend on Christmas gifts & other DJ/production 'toys'… I have my eye on the new Maschine MK3.

For some strange reason I had a feeling that would happen... I went ahead and ordered a sz2 to use for this Christmas season!

i hate to say it, but i dont see inmusic rane ever getting anything close to Rane USA.

Theres so much going on with the 72, i just cant see inmusic getting it right

Interesting, my Pioneer DJM S9 has been so solid. The whole Rane driver issue is concerning, as I understand the DJM S9 is Natively supported in Mac OS? Is that the case?

I was going to get rid of the S9 for this, I figure I will wait it out to see if there are any issues at the first release. Once I hear it’s good, at that point I may go for it (could be well into 2018 eh guys?)

The 72 will have transport controls with the pads.

I would hope the Rane 72, just like the Rane TTM57MKII and the newest Rane Rotary mixers use MacOS Core Audio and do not need specific audio drivers to function. As for transport controls, I look forward to what the Rane 72 might offer, for simple gigs it would be cool to use just the 72 to play music vs having another small controller.

I never even thought of using the RANE 72 like that. Good idea!

You'll be better off using DJ2GO2 with those kind of gigs, LOL!

Is future Rane gear going to be made in the USA? I can tell you that I will never buy Rane gear made overseas.

Overseas unfortunately.

Read from the top of the post lol

You must not buy any gear then because all of it is made overseas.

I wonder if Chinese hate buying shit overland.

I expect Rane to be made in the USA; otherwise, it is not a Rane, but some Numark BS.

Rane is "InMusic" Is Akai, is Numark, is Denon, is etc etc etc

Yeah, exactly. That's the problem.

So what are you going to get?

No pro DJ gear is made in the US anymore. Pioneer is made in Malaysia which is even cheaper than China/Taiwan.

Duh

China manufacturing has gotten to the point where they can produce quality - Apple, IBM, Lenovo, any of the high end computers out there are chinese made.

There are plenty of cheap options in china, but just because it's made there doesn't automatically make it worse.

Hell, just because it was made in the US doesn't automatically make it better. Look at the automotive industry during the decline of US made cars. Hell, look at the Rane 6x gear - it wasn't exactly stellar in build compared to the older 54/56/57. Buttons failed, knobs got loose, faders broke, tons of shit went wrong with the 6x mixers and they were all made in the US.

Anyone heard about a delay on these ?? I'm hearing different stories.

I heard the same, from what I gather the twelve may still be released sometime soon.

However the seventy two is pushed into 2018...

Anyone from Rane care to chime in?

seeing as support wasn't added in 1.9.9 looks like its going to be in 2.0 which means probably a namm 2018 release , so jan 2018,

the fact we haven't even seen it running at all on serato means there is either production problems or they can't show sdj 2.0 till release

2017 odds 20-1
jan 2018 odds 8-1
by mar 2018 4-1
by june 2018 3-2

never 50-1

Release has been pushed back to Q1 of 2018. So release will be in between Jan-Mar

😩😩
How do you know?

Let's just say I know people lol. When you think about it, it makes more sense to release the new gear at winter NAMM(end of Jan). That's when I think we'll also see SDJ 2.0 with support for the new gear from Rane and Denon plus other surprises Searto has in store.

+1

My 'Nostradamus' predictions for SDJ 2.0…. 64bit, DAY MODE, & maybe sample editing functionality/direct record to pads (wishful thinking, I know!!)

Hopefully, inMusic Brand (RANE) uses the extra time to make sure that the RANE 72 & Twelve is STABLE & RELIABLE!!!

To add perspective to this, look how long the Denon Prime has been released and it still isn't supported yet publicly.

Good point! Since the Rane Twelve is an 'OSA' device I would image that it should be supported at launch. The Rane 72 is also being advertised as officially supported by SDJ too.

Maybe there will be more info @ NAMM 2018.

At this rate the Denon and Rane stuff will be added at the same time!

That's more than likely what's going on right now. When the 62 first came out I knew quite a few DJs who were having problems with the cross fader and Rane was using 68 faders as replacements. They're trying to avoid this and also line up the release of the new gear with the new Serato update. Nothing more disappointing than releasing a new software with no support for the latest hardware.

So I got different info. That's why I posted. I know people too :) I was told it's 2 batches. One will be out this year...mid December. This batch was due on November 15th and now is about a month delayed. The second batch will ship out in February. This was confirmed by my source via Rane on 10/18. I know people are getting crazy mixed up info so I want to hear it from everyone else in addition to my source. Here is a message I got from Rane on Facebook (this was on the 13th and prompted me to post and follow up with my dealer):

Hello Cory. We understand our customers' situation very well; lots of us are DJs and eagerly wait for the newest gear to catch our eyes and take our money just like you. There are multiple factors that involve releasing a product; providing our customers with appropriately marketed material such as demo videos is not as easy as one may think. We here at Rane and our partners at Serato work together to get the Seventy-Two mixer 'battle-ready', with our customers' concerns in mind, and being hasty to please the masses is not how good quality products are made (I think you would agree). Any release dates that you have been given are not precise; we never gave an official release date to our dealers/distributors when we announced the new product. Once again, both us and our partners are working hard to make the Seventy-Two work right and work hard.

The 'waiting game' struggle is real Cory, and we are on the edge of our seats too


I don't believe anyone knows when this is coming out other than Rane ...

well said

ill bet they dont know either

What is an "OSA" device?

Thanks

What is an "OSA" device?

Official Serato Accessory

Official Serato Accessory example, SPI, AFX, Dicers etc.

I think being able to see the waveforms on the mixer will be the deal breaker for me to buy the rane over the pioneer.

I mean, dont get me wrong, my 62 does the job its supposed to with no issues.

Do i need the 72? Probably not lol. Do I want it? Hell yeah!

...Does deal breaker make sense in that?

The hardware is ready. Waiting on SDJ 2.0 with 64bit architecture to be released. Serato is making sure "i's" are dotted and "t's" are crossed. 2.0 is a big undertaking for Serato so understandable about the delay. We just need to be patient as Jan is right around the corner at this point.

Where did you get 64 bit from ? Heard noting about that from Rane. I hope so , but I haven't heard a peep on that

the tipping point in terms of my preference of mixer

deal breaker is usually something that prevents you from doing something - like not being able to change the left and right controls independently on the S9 was a dealbreaker for me not buying it.

Those waveforms on the 72 are pretty useless.

Especially if they suffer that same jerky issue with the display. I don't really use waveforms except just to confirm that my ear hears drift and occasional confirmation of a cue point though i have noticed it, but trying to imagine that jerky waveform on that small screen would be something else. Let's hope the release that corresponds with the release of the hardware has addressed this.

Personally, I'm more interested in using the X/Y touchscreen for manipulating effects.

Obviously, the processor that RANE chooses to run the screens will have a big impact on how well the screen works & whether or not latency will be an issue.

The Rane 72 is NOT cheap so I hope inMusic Brand (RANE) puts top quality components in the 72.

The waves are only useless if you don't use waves. I can't say I don't get serato face some days..so that is one of the main deal makers. It's also touch screen so I'm sure I'll think of more things to do with the waves. X/Y effects are the biggest perk for the screen, but now I don't need my laptop screen at all thanks to the waves on board. Considering the competition and their displays, I think it will display smooth.

I would rather the RANE 72 screen display the Icicles (Tempo Matching Display) instead of the waveforms.

That's a waste of screen real estate. If the tempo match display was above the waveforms like in the software, that would be practical.

Id rather it display the full waveform and playback position.

+1

whatever we say isn't going to matter until this is released. anyone doing beta on this?

What we say (suggestions & opinions) matter! inMusic Brand (RANE) needs to listen to their customers if they want the Rane 72 & Twelve to sell & be successful!!

If inMusic Brand (RANE) listens to their customers prior to product release then there will be little to no customer disappointment (hopefully) once the Rane 72 & Twelve are actually released.

That's a dangerous move for most business and leads to some horrible project creep. There's gonna be someone complaining no matter what you do.

the seventy two will sell itself, i'm getting one on release day. Serato is always there with great support no matter what, they are certainly going to be supporting rane's new flagship mixer- its on the hype.

I wonder if the feel of the pads will be different to the S9

pads will definitely be MPC pads. So it'll likely feel the same as the pads on all the newer Numark and Denon gear.

ooh I hope they have a click. Something I'm definately missing on my SP-1 (which I assume is the same buttons on the S9). I don't mind them a little squishy, like the dicers.

Pressure sensitive Pads rarely come with a click. I love the Pads on my NS7ii thanks to Akai.

anyone know the dimensions from the 72 & Twelve?

72 will more than likely be around 10.5" x 14" and the Twelve will be around 14" x 14"

tnx bro !!

Read somewhere that it usually takes Serato 2-3 months from a major version private beta to release. So I echo the comments above; I bet Rane is ready but is probably waiting for the 2.0 release as there are too many new features where a 1.9.11 wouldn't cut it.

From what has been leaking out, Serato 2.0 is going to be major as well as may possibly have been a total rebuild that made the incremental releases we say to support new hardware actual side projects because maybe it was easier for some personnel to add support while most of the focus was on the upcoming release.

Considering the TWELVE and 72 aren't even out yet I am not sure why you'd worry about which version of SDJ might support it. Look how long it took the new Denon stuff to get added.

People need to realize you have to get a breather from adding new hardware support to enhance or bug fix what you already have.

From what I’ve heard the 72 is still 4-6 months away so I’m not sure if 2.0 will support it.

NAMM is at the end of January so I bet 2.0 gets a release around then and more hardware follows.

Serato should just do 2.x for bug fix/feature releases and 2.x.x for when they add new hardware. Then they don't have a gun to their heads (by overzealous users) by users who can't handle stuff like 1.9.10, lol.

It might be closer than you think. Pictures have surfaces on certain places on FB with the 72 in use with 12s and waveforms on the 72 display. They were stills of some one using the gear.

I've heard before Christmas. I saw the images on FB also. Heard of a few people that have the private beta for Serato, but they say they signed a disclaimer stating they can't post or talk about what they are seeing. My dealer said before X-Mas. Rane said still 4th quarter..hopefully not much longer now.

I have heard they are still on Alpha software.

SDJ 2.0 will be released when Mixars decides to release their Primo controller...never lol

please share!

As much as I would like to, and as much as I am not part of the Private Beta Testing, I would much rather prefer not to out of respect for the organization and how they approached this initial testing phase but they are about on Facebook in certain groups at least a week already, maybe even 2.

i hope not !! I sold my nxs2 kit cause i thought it would be jan 2018 !! Ps: I love Pio gear s but RANE is so much stronger and more quality... The face plate from a DJM is iron -> joking me? It's 2017 ... Iron is heavy and it can oxidate ... I hope the Rane 72 and twelve will be a big succes

also i never get my hopes up for a release. It took years for a decent key lock, which still uses a ton of horsepower, serato DJ was buggy AF, club kit shouldve been years earlier, the bridge went (along with the killer mixtape feature). Pulselocker came and went. Theres a ton of library features missing. Still waiting on proper retina compatibility and its about to be 2018. Still jerky waveforms in 2017. HID mode is still clumsy and requres a "dongle" ie interface box connected which is stupid from a practical point of view but i understand for a licensing point of view. FX still need improving.

The above are just annoyances but I can live with them. At the end of the day serato DJ is still stable, albeit not as much as scratch live was. I guess when you accomodate all these shitty little controllers you have to compromise. However my heart is still with and will always be with serato. I own traktor also. Hate it. I also have played with the rekordbox trial. Hate it. I look forward to what serato 2.0 / serato pro will bring. As flip was cool. Key tagging was cool. Naming cue points was cool. The stability is still there. Still the best GUI. Gotta give credit to the original DVS system with colored waveforms.

fair enough man. I respect that.

Look at the image of the 72 on GC's website. It clearly shows the waveforms on the screen. It's no secret
www.guitarcenter.com

The 72 + TWELVES combo looks way more fun to me than the Denon Prime setup!

I cannot wait to see them in the flesh, but you bet your ass I am going to wait a good 3 months after they hit the street to let you masochists expose any bugs before me, lol.

It's not stock images I was referring to, they were actual images of some one using the gear in a set.

Ahh okay. Read too fast lol

for turntablism I can see huge benefits of having the waveforms on the mixer. I can just imagine this will be the standard mixer at DMC competitions. Having the record and the waveform in the same line of sight will really speed up efficiency

Xactly. I've been preaching this for ever. Actually I prophesied the coming of both these products a long time ago. Did not think it would be Rane to launch them though but I am so glad they are. I don't think these products would have the same juice if they came from Numark or Denon.

The screen technology on the 72 might be from Numark or Denon... most likely.

Just like how the the pads are from Aikai... don’t you think?

It won’t matter though if the build and sound quality is still from Rane.

To me it's just a super expensive controller setup...not usable without a laptop.The denon setup wins here or a pair of CDjs and the 72...being able to play from a flash drive or HDD without a laptop is always a plus.

I wish the 72 had black key pads...maybe i'll wait for the MKII

Dude, we're Serato users, we ALWAYS use a laptop.

If you're not, you're obviously not what this is aimed at. Rekordbox fine, still don't trust Engine Prime enough AND I do video so not using a laptop isn't going to happen any time soon.

I know the screen will be very expensive to replace, so I wonder if they will sell a protective cover...like on a phone. (Scratches/ cracks )

It's Rane ... Build like a tank !! And scratches and cracks are because your phone is in your pocket together with money and your keys ;) No worry, your fingers will not make scratches -> otherwise girls would not all looking so pretty ;)

I hope they do "qwerty search" ... I know it's not needed because you have your computer but it's not nasa technology to make such feature possible !! Then you can put your computer everywhere with a long usb cable #smallplaces #nostress

Independent, US Rane and InMusic, chinese-made Rane are different companies. As the 72 and Twelves will be the first product from the new Rane, it remains to be seen how the new product will be.

That said, unlike a lot of people here, I think quality can come from China - they just have to be willing to pay for the quality stuff. The new Denon decks and mixers seem solidly built, although they've only been around for 6 months. The latest controllers seem good hardware-wise, but Denon hasn't exactly impressed on the software or customer support side of things. Hope some changes happen with that...

I understand you. I worked in dj shop and my main selling point was the fact Rane was made in USA !! I hate made in China ... But it's 2017 -> allot things and big brands are not made anymore in the USA or Germany = it's life. And even if the Rane is less quality then before it will be still better quality mixer then the competition.

I love Pioneer, but it's not quality compared to Rane. I am always stressed about finding a seller for my pioneer gear each 2 year cause I know after more then 2 years it will looking ...

Do you know a (competition) brand that is still made in europe or usa... Me not ...
Rodec scratchbox (belgium -> dead)
Ecler -> (spain -> dead)

True, I have a OnePlus One phone i have now relegated to work and it was released in 2014 and I bought it used and modded (on top of the modding I did to it when I got it) and it is still going strong and reliably as my work phone and this is a Chinese made hand set. So quality can come from China. Also to touch on the topic of that touch screen, it may not get messed up from the usual stuff that phones go through, but remember, travelling with gear can be brutal if they are not protected and even in set up some one might bungle things and just like that the screen is gone. Might just take some one holding a drink with moisture on the glass that touches the scree, water seeps in the sides and that is the end. Happens with phones even with pristine looking screens but he digitizer layer that interprets the touches gets borked up. Or shoot, just some random A-hole decides to spill a drink on it and that could be the end. So far Pioneer units with touchscreens seem to be doing well so maybe the same type of hardware was employed here, Pioneer doesn't make screens so they would have had to source them from some where and hte hope is that Rane does the same (Apple phones use Samsung panels for their screens so there's that.)

Just because something is Chinese at this point doesn't man it's cheap. All of our smartphones are made there with parts from other countries.

I do agree it is sad that it's cheaper to make something around the world from US or EU and ship it all the way back.

I


The screen can still get scratched or damaged. That's like saying skins are useless. "like" a tank..not an actual tank.

The screens on the Pioneer CDJ/XDJs and Denon Prime players are very well built and I'm sure Rane isn't going to use a glass screen like on phones and tablets. You shouldn't worry about it man.

I mean, all Apple products are made in China and it's not like they make crap hardware...

americans haven't yet bought into the reality that china runs everything and is more powerful than the states.

it's not like US made is automatically better. Hell, Detroit's big fall was because a lot of their US made cars were total shit in the 70s and 80s and being surpassed by cheaper, and better quality Japanese cars.

Even in the context of Rane, the 6x mixers took a decline in quality compared to their 5x mixers. The magnetic fader carriers are on the third iteration because the faders kept breaking on their first two attempts, the buttons misfire and get pushed into the unit, and the pot stems were plastic and got very loose over time. These were all still american made units and there were plenty of problems reported over the years.

u.s. propaganda and blind nationalism is strong

USA = first men on the moon !! Pls call me one modern mixer that is more quality (not the fun aspect) then Rane ... ?? Pls say me ...

I got my opinion and i owned 56, 61, 62, 68, 64, djm 800/900mk1&mk2, Djm 909, xone db4... I now sold my nexus kit for the 72 cause about what i read they got it right this time.

that means for me -> full fun + quality

forgot to say ... Rane is the only brand that ships 3 magnetic faders (not the 68&64) !!

What do you consider modern?

Rodec Scratchbox
Ecler Hak 360
Xone 92

Scratchbox:
= fantastic OPTICAL crossfader but and 2 normal faders
= Rodec stopped production
= no effects + no soundcard

Ecler Hak 360:
= fantastic crossfader but and 2 normal faders
= Ecler stopped production
= no effects + no soundcard

Xone 92
= maybe the best 'cheap mixer' professional mixer on the market
= no soundcard, no magnetic or optical crossfader + no space in the crossfader area

So the only modern mixer you are saying is a model (2001) that is idd strong and is good sounding, but not modern ... Don't get me wrong -> xone 92 is class mixer in his kind

I assumed your question was not in relation to the feature set of the competition but the build quality. Based on build quality any of the ones I mentioned would be comparable to Rane.

Based on reviews i would possibly add the Denon X1800. Supposedly the effects, sound and build quality are all great. Given that Rane and Denon are under the same corporate umbrella I would think they are going to be manufactured at the same factory. The quality of this mixer should give us a good idea of what the new Rane
might be like.

So apart from all of this chatter, it would really majorly suck if the Seventy-Two turns out to have some kind of manufacturer defects or failure that didn't come up in testing like function wise or even cosmetic like the early S9s had with paint flake on the face plate in early production runs.

I crep that waveform display works like on the Numark Dashboard, i tried it a week ago i i dumped back, on the mac the waveform was smooth on the dashboard went to shots. hopefully it is managed differently.

Was thinking about getting a dashboard with my 62. This will save me the effort.

Also in regards to possible defects, I’m definatelt holding off buying it for a few months. I wanna wait for the reviews here on this forum. Maybe even a side by side comparison with the pioneer from Mojaxx / Chris brackley would be cool

Second man in space. And I grantee you I'm not playing on a Russian made mixer.

And now I just saw video of Fat Fingaz using the whole setup on FB with Seventy-Two and the Twelves. That Low Latency is amazing with what he was doing and the still that were seen earlier was from this.

About time right ? ...As I was typing I see another one !

www.instagram.com

Finally got to see the vinyl slip on the platter.

I just thought about a cover... a dust cover or something. I guess we will have to case the 12s up ??

I've seen the video, it does not seem to turn the waveform bad, though it's very small, then I always stay on mys with these novelties, if you happen to stop it all and have no related analog source, stay like a fish.

serato face was bad, but looking at that screen is gonna be terrible on necks

almost class action bad

can’t really see a problem with that it would be no different that looking at turntable markers considering it’s the same height or a mixer. As DJ’s we do a majority of looking down esp when mixing.

Vinyl markers* i meant

trying to determine if I want to pre-order, and if so from where? Or just wait for some shops to get them in. I figure if a place has TONS of pre orders you could be waiting much longer than just calling into a store soon to when they are released.

Like when the S9 came out I didn't pre-order, I just went to the store on release day and copped one.

Thoughts?

These things looks sweet but unless you have time to deal with bugs, I'd wait 6 months after release to get a set.

Decksaver will have covers for sure

Well damn..... I kinda want one now.

www.instagram.com

Sucks got message from my local Rane dealer Rane 72 delayed new release date March 2018

Exactly why I didn't pre-order. Rane is obviously taking their time to perfect the products before they are released. Hopefully there are no bugs with the first batch

Just sold the S9 and got the pre order in with guitar center! Yeeee

Rane release this October 13th, so it shouldn't be a shocker for March 2018.

“The RANE SEVENTY-TWO and TWELVE both will bring several new and advanced features to users. RANE DJ is committed to 100% quality and in doing so has pushed the availability/launch date back to early 2018.”

Y'all better offload those S9's! I got top dollar for mine.

I'm glad inMusic Brand's RANE is taking their time to make sure what is released is a quality product.

Im interested to see how their customer service & build quality stacks up against the Legacy Rane company.

+1. That is some very good advice.

I love Rane products. better sound, better quality. I'm in the process of selling my S9. Can't stand the sound, the feel of the fader (even tried replacing it with the infinity and inno faders) and I still didn't like the cut in. My 62 feels better to me than the S9. I'm sold! Rane gives quality and seems to work better with Serato. The s9 fader feels like a 05Pro fader!

From my experience with Rane and Pioneer mixers, is the crossfader is a lot sharper on the Rane, and a lot softer on the pioneer. Even when I set my 62 crossfader to the slowest setting its still almost double the cut in on medium setting of the DJM 900.

I personally prefer the Pioneer fader for blending, its a lot smother. For cutting theyre both very sharp

Do you find my descrpition of the curve accurate? Is this whats bugging you?

and I could be wrong, but the Rane 62 crossfader seems a little shorter in length than pioneer. At least it feels that way

The S9’s cut in can be changed in the Pioneer utility at like 0.1 mm that is incredibly sharp🤷🏼‍♂️

Since I sold my S9 last week I picked up a Vestax PMC 06 Pro VCA to hold me over until my Seventy Two is shipped. Funny enough the old Vestax mixer sounds warmer and better than my S9 did.

I was never completely satisfied with the S9 fader either. I even adjusted it (via software) to the 0.1 mm increment (which only stayed that sharp when plugged into a computer). Without a computer hooked up the S9 cut in was no good, ESPECIALLY on the upfaders.

Cant wait for the Rane and glad I got top dollar for the S9. Get rid of em while ya can!

So now the S9 is inferior to some thing that hasn't even come out yet?...

I'd rather lose out on selling the S9 for "top dollar" (really just a couple hundred) and get the 72 after the hype is proven to be real, than be out of a top of the line battle mixer for months while hoping the 72 meets the hype.

The Vestax PMC 06 PRO will do me just fine while I wait, got it for $100. Keep yer eyes peeled for the reviews, S9 is gonna be doo doo next to the 72.

you know the s9 works, it has a huge user base and is currently the standard in battle mixers. 72 has been pushed back a year, has new tech that hasnt been battle tested and is made by a company that has never made rane mixers and has made some decent products and lots of iffy to not great products.

why are ppl losing all rationale over these 2 products?

Probably because the 57 and 62 are hands down some of the best mixers ever made so the 72 will follow the trend and DJs have been asking for a 12" motorized platter controller and now they have to wait even longer for both products.

i get the anticipation, but this some of the recent posts have the rationale of an ancient aliens episode

Yeah I would never sell my current mixer before the new one I have my eye on comes out. I may even wait to get a 72 to make sure there are no issues, but I think that is another reason Rane is taking their time. Everyone is concerned about Chinese manufacturing but I would bet money that you can't tell the difference between an American assembled SL4 vs a Chinese assembled SL4. People worry too much.

Remember although rane is no more in music kept most of the original engineers that worked on all the past rane mixer, this is the same crew thats working on the 72

Ya that comment was stupid. It's still the same core team just now have a parent company = more funding and resources. The inmusic partnership only helped rane.

Wow this was actually fixed in a firmware update and no longer a problem with the cut-in.

I was running the latest firmware. The upfaders were doo doo. And the regular fader was def not .1 mm.

What he said ...

no it didnt. thats ridiculous. there is simply no way that inmusic will be a better company than rane. you must not have owned many rane products over the years

A lot can go wrong between the engineering phase and the manufacturing phase. The people at the old Rane that assembled and tested the products are not around anymore.

This! Rane EARNED my trust over the years. InMusic Brand hasn't earned my trust & their current customer service is no where near the level of the legacy RANE company!!

Sad but true.

i was hoping you hadn't so your comment didnt seem so misinformed

I know right?

Sold your tested and trusted for a product that's not been released.

The older Rane products were all simple enough to make, rane sound and good faders but remember they had no screens. Jury is out on how the screens will play especially as they seem to be Serato baked.

Will they cause too much stress on computer resources?

I have both the S9 and 62. I enjoy playing on my S9 way more than the 62.

You are taking a risk there...But then you could be a winner.

Do let's us know how you get on with the 72 when it gets released in a few months.

Rane hasn't released any firmware updates in like forever for their current products btw. is the 72 and 12 taking all their time.

Did you guys seen the Namm vids?? How nice can a mixer be? Crazy product !! No words

such a sexy mixer. I hope they don't release with any major defects...

it's pure magic mixer. When they touched the effect toggles you could see on the screen how accurate it activated the effect... My god my god my god my god ... There will be bugs like all new products :( but njaaah ... Can't wait, this is the most exiting moment in my life (dj gear wise)

anyone at namm or in the know who can confirm if there are any limitations to the footswitch options like the original 57 had? (3 switch)

I saw briefly there was footswitch settings in the touch screen menu???

keen to use duel expression pedals and buttons.

the agiprodj in depth review is the best in depth review of the 72 thus far...I'm glad I sold my s9 the 72 is by far superior

first all praised the 62, then arrived S9 and everyone to say that is the best, now everyone to say that 72 is better, I believe it is a new product, or rather it is the copy of the S9 have only added a screen and pads, and sincerely all those buttons only create confusion. Surely pioneer will bring out something similar if not more advanced.

Everybody always wants what’s shiny and new.

I want a mixer that still looks shiny after 5years ... All my pio gear always look like shit after 2 years ... I am older now and i not want to buy again and again...

Do the new Rane mixers have lexan faceplates??

72 is what the s9 should have been to me.

The fact that they didn't bother to make the controls independent for left and right was a huge dealbreaker for me and a lot of other people.

It was the shitty non magnetic channel faders for me. No reason for them to be like that on a mixer of that price aimed at turntablists.

Many people prefer Rane over Pioneer no matter what Pioneer brings out.. the 72 was in development before the s9

That’s funny cause I’ve seen so many people sell their Rane mixers for the S9. And it’s been rumored Rane has a serious problem with their drivers.

You're right, I also had a 62 and I changed for S9, because the drivers had no more development, and I did not want to find myself with an obsolete mixer. DJ Tcniq, in Italy, they say people go according to where the flag is going, in this forum the same, now the problem of the Pioneer S9 was not to be able to have separate pads, I do not seem to have seen the DJs of RedBull having problems with S9 during the performances, because they did not have separate pads.

I specifically refused to buy the s9 because of the pad controls.If you can live with it, more power to you, but I want to dj a certain way and not make compromises _ especially when I'm paying that much.

This is not a new thing - people - including me - were bitching about it before the mixer even came out.

There is no perfect mixer or do hardware. The one that ticks all the boxes with everything you desire you have to decide what's important to you

No Rane mixer till date has a BPM detect for RCA sources the Pioneer S9 (And several other models have this basic feature) that's important to me as I bounce between Serato and USB music.

Has any Rane device had a firmware update since InMusic took over? The relaunched SL4? That's my greatest concern re the new Rane.

There's no perfect hardware, but certain missteps can be dealbreakers for some people.

Given denon's poor support for the mcx8000, firmware is absolutely a concern.

No idea if the Rane people are to be trusted regarding firmware updates, but they have a lot to live up to and if they don't, I think they know, as do we, that their brand will be pretty much dead if they mess the 72 and 12 up.

Still wouldn't buy an S9 though!

+1

The pad modes affect both decks at once. Meaning you can have cue point pads on deck 1, and loop roll on deck 2 at the same time. The 72 has independent pad modes for each deck.

Not a deal breaker for me at all, i really only use either cue points or the sampler.

Oops "Meaning you CANT have..."

Typo.

Gotcha...I wouldn't like that either. I use cues, sampler and beat jump, so I would hate that. Got the 72 on pre-order. I got a DJ-808 in the meantime and it's independent pre channel. No way I would switch at this point. I would think they would switch that in firmware updates for the S9 but I guess not considering how long its been around.

I feel bad for those buying the 72. They need to get the kinks fixed first. It was rumored SDJ Pro crashed multiple times at NAMM and they had to reinstall drivers etc. not a good luck

InMusic Brand can NOT afford to release this product half baked and/or full of bugs!

I certainly hope all the driver/firmware issues are resolved PRIOR to product release!!!

Don't feel sorry for us, feel sorry about the resale value of your S9 once the 72 is released lol.

+1

I heard nothing but good reviews on the 72. The 12 on the other hand was mixed. Serato Pro reviews I have heard mixed things also. Im sure they will have it straight before it is shipped. I heard nothing about a crash. I did hear about latency with the twelves they supposedly adjusted and was fixed on the last day. All good news from multiple sources on the mixer though.

This is one of my main concerns about these new products from Rane (InMusic Brand). Ultra low latency is an absolute necessity! In order for these products to be successful, there needs to be 0 issues regarding latency.

Who is your source Mr negative ? If you heard, where did you hear it ? I mean you must have a source ? I personally think your penis doesn't go up anymore, and you blame Serato for it

This wil be the best mixer ever made !! And they must do promo like PIoneer -> look the DSJ 1000 promo vid where Pioneer is hyping a "mute" button like it's crazy technology woehahaha #LOL!!

The proof is all over the forum maybe you should google how many problems users are having with Rane mixers.

You are paid by Pioneer. I worked in DJ shop and i can say you that I LOVED SELLING RANE cause it's was so easy -> client happy and no aftersales problems !! I say again no aftersales problems...

Not paid by Pioneer just stating facts. Rane doesn’t keep up with their drivers esp when new OS X arrives. Pioneer doesn’t have issues with this it’s just the truth.

Can you show me one source all over the Internet ? Again your just running your mouth , as you just like to bash Serato, seems like you get a joy about posting negative comments, although you continue to use it... Hmmm.... Your a strange door knob.

According to the Rane reps, the mixer is great. The 12 had mixed reviews and the software is buggy. Still expected to ship both units mid March. Believe what you want.

Also I hate Macs. So we have no clue what this software can do. Esp if they used High Sierra at NAMM. What will it do it a regular display on Windows ? No one here knows a thing.

It’s also confirmed th 72 has the same soundcard as the Rane MP2015...S9 mixers are up for sale like crazy on eBay

If that holds true, oooooooooh baby that's awesome.

Yeah looks like the average asking price is $1400-1500 mint cond. Should drop even further once the Rane 72 hits the streets (albeit with no major problems).

No matter how much Pioneer faithfuls complain about Rane ripping off the Pio S9 or how much hateration you have for Rane, one thing that can't be denied is Rane made this mixer based on all the shortcomings of the S9 and the S9 was considered badass when it first hit the scene. Man you gotta love competition.

like I said previously, S9's are going for $800 now because everyone (including myself) wanted to get rid of it for the NEW KING OF MIXERS the Rane 72. All those on this forum complaining are just mad because they cant scrape together 3 schillings, let alone two thousand dollars for a new mixer. Broke complainers, sit on the sidelines and check my unboxing when my pre ordered unit gets shipped to my home.

go cry me a river brokey mcbrokerson.

Luckily I'm not in a position where I need to sell my S9 to cop the 72 😎 and you Americans have it easy with your various payment plans. So what are you on about?...You sold your S9 and call other forum users "broke complainers" Not cool chief.

Stop lying. You prob sold your S9 cause you don’t know how to use it😉

I apologize for my ignorance and negativity. To be honest I just placed my S9 into the dumpster, where it belongs.

If I had the choice between the two, right now, I'd go for the 72, no doubt. I bought the S9 last year and it is disappointing that you can't have different pad functions for each deck but it's not enough for me to sell the mixer and spend even more. The S9 is good enough for me.

you gotta be the douchiest dj ever on this board. (as in douche bag)

sweet, thanks bro!

Rane 57mkii FTW.

What clubs do you do in the Bay? I’d like to see you in action usIng Serato DJ to its fullest.

I don't do clubs, only kids carnivals.

Dope. All the multi-colored lights on the 72 will be perfect for those events.

DJ Carni in the mix!

Got one for sale if you know anyone ! I love it swear I do...but that 72 is on the way !

good review

Watchwww.youtube.com

Best one for sure

Like what? Flags to use as chair covers? ;)

(because aside from the stars and stripes, I'm pretty sure they manufacture just about everything they need)

So how about that word around town that the Seventy-Two has been pushed back to a April 22nd release date treating every one in here?

that's some BS "word around town" mister. They just posted this morning on the official range IG that its March. So ya, your wrong.

Any idea if the sampler channel will be open to ableton live or the Serato sample plugin (controller via push 2)?

Actually heard it from a DJ Colleague that has his pre-order with GC and this is what htey told him this morning.

from 3:19 PM - 17 October, 2017




remember when people were sure it was gonna drop by the end of the year?

then after NAMM?

now its april?

my June prediction keeps looking better

And if it is this IG post that's being referred to.
www.instagram.com

All this says is "Battle season starts March 2018", not the release date.

I've yet to hear Rane say ONE thing on street date yet, just a bunch of chuckleheads speculating on forums like this. Getting yourselves all riled up and then laughed at.

It will be here when it is time.

lol

Oh, I'll be here for much longer as I really want to see how it goes. I did also get the reason for the possible push back but didn't want to mention it here because it might be kinda obvious what it is anyways.

buddy must have been a little late on his pre-order. Mine was placed on December 1st and my most recent notification says 3/8/18. Cant sleep on the pre-order fellas. If you didn't pre order in time you sure will be waiting until April or June. For sure all units sold out.

I think you misread, GC told him that Rane told them that the release date may be pushed back to April 22. Has nothing to do with when he placed his preorder. Also, that IG post you referenced only said "Battle Season starts march 2018" not the release date of the Seventy-Two. Though I can see where the confusion may come as they used the picture of the mixer and it is a battle mixer. The quoted potential push back date is also due to some technical difficulties.

that part right there, whenever I hear someone at GC say something I change that to the Charly Brown phone voice.

Nope, check their comments. Rane said March. Either way I don't care I'm gonna have my unit before all y'all regardless.

Nobody gives a fuck

+2 fuc*s

literally nobody

That mixer still won’t make you a better DJ though.

I’m sure he was one of the first ones to get an S9 and will be one of the first ones to get Pioneer’s 72 killer when they release it.

Amen and Amen!

Something can be said about Pioneer's strategy of announce and then release within a couple months.

This delay will just give pioneer more time to assess what the 72 is offering and release their S9 MKII with features that people will want.

please name features that you "want" that the 72 does not have.....

AGI just told me early March so I'm rolling with them.

you so on the 72's nuts that you aren't getting what he's saying.

this time delay on the 72 will allow Pioneer to copy feature of the 72 for the S9 mk2.

and don't think they wont. and cheaper.

The 72 is everything I want in a mixer. But because it was already leaked back in August and officially announced in October, I have no doubt pioneer has their teams hard at work analyzing the fuck out the 72's feature set and applying it all to their next scratch mixer.

The longer Rane takes to release the 72, the more likely you're going to see an S9 MKII announcement - possibly even before the release of the 72 which is going to fuck Rane so badly. Just look at what the Phase demo at NAMM has done to interest in the Twelves.

What pioneer does is it announces new gear and then releases it within 2 months. While that didn't do much to build hype like it did in the past, what it does as the industry leader is give them a way to take away their competitor's hype who are still announcing and demo-ing gear like a year out.

How many sales of the 72 would be cannibalized if Pioneer announced an S9 MKII in March or even April?

Don't get me wrong, I want the new Rane to succeed and I really want Pioneer knocked from the stranglehold they own because I honestly just don't like their gear. But if you want Rane to succeed and you want them to keep on supporting the 72/Twelves, you should also be hoping they get their mixer out well before Pioneer is ready to announce an S9 MKII because that's going have a significant impact on the 72 sales if it happens which will make it more difficult for InMusic to want to keep the brand going.

Keep in mind they already have a stigma attached now that they are an InMusic brand, so it's already going to be an uphill battle.

*Round_of_Applause.gif*

Still Pioneer will be Pioneer. Its not going to rival the build quality of the Rane. Nothing has or ever will.

but its not the old rane, its not coming from the old factory.

this is totally different company and no one knows how the quality will be

Different Owners....same manufactures/assembly. The suits don't turns screws.

No, it’s completely different manufacturers.

Rane was manufactured and assembled in a factory in Washington state that has since been shut down. The new Rane is using a factory in Taiwan I believe.

Rane reps say different. I trust no one without a badge.

we don't need no stinking badges

They’ve already moved the manufacturing of the MP2015 and SL4 to Taiwan. I doubt they have a whole factory open to manufacture the 72.

It’s being designed in Seattle, but the manufacturing has moved overseas - this has been confirmed many times by InMusic and rane.

...and former employees

InMusic has been churning out exceptional products (Denon). I am not worried about the MFG process, they know what they are doing.

I’m looking forward to copping the 72, but it is taking forever. Also I have never had the problem selling a rane mixer that I have had selleg my S9. I’ve had it on CL, and only people interested are the scammers.

Ya that sucks, I was able to get $1300 for my S9 when I sold it back in December. Nowadays you will be lucky to get $800. It's depreciating faster than a new Mercedes AMG. Rane mixers always hold their value a whole lot better than other brands.

its harder to sell mixers now because there are more of them(models and brands).

It's also no longer necessary for djs to buy stand alone mixers as many people use controllers and many are stand alone mixers for external gear like tts or cdjs.

rane's at this point don't hold their value any better than any other mixer

ask rane reps if they are going to move the entire company, manufacturing, assembly and workers to china.

the answer will be no.

Except they’ve already said in interviews that they are moving all the manufacturing to asia

I really hope that the Denon controllers is not what's being used as a benchmark for this because there is a whole thread with people who got issues with the MCX8000 and got rid of it with the quickness. Even the NS6II had grounding issues with the jog wheel that they recently put out a update. I have also seen lots of people swearing off Denon products in favour of even Roland; and that's just the controller market. Not sure how the Denon X1800 is doing and the only other good enough product has been their SC5000 which is faring well and that's about it, all of these under the InMusic brand.

Shout out to all my Asian workers ! LOL I honestly could care less where they made it. I'm a few weeks away..hesitate all you want !

Personally I have no problem with asian manufacturers if they use the right manufacturers.

All the “premium” electronics are made there now - including Apple.

Amen!

Anyone heard anything about a release date for the 72 yet? My retailer pushed it back from mid March to late March but didn't give a date and doesn't have any info.

I heard the 29th...repeat HEARD..all rumor. I talked to my dealer the day before a lot of people said it was another delay. He said the 15th. They all said late March. One person said his inside connect said the 29th. Who knows ?

Ya my dealer emailed me on Tuesday and advised the new expected date is 3/14. However Guitar Center site says 3/29. I have already been waiting so freaking long that I am no longer paying any attention to when it will be "supposedly" released. I just hope I get to use this mixer before I expire, or my life will feel empty.

I've messaged Rane on FB, I'll let you know what they say if they reply.

Skratchbastid testing the 72 at home. Check his IG story. Pretty dope!
www.instagram.com

weird that he wouldnt have a vid/pic of it running

He does - you have to go to his instagram story page rather than just the feed.

So far hes only posted vids of using it with vinyl tho.

He's posted the mixer used with timecode now.

Gotta click on his icon and it'll take you the instagram stories and it's a series of posts about the 72

aH

Rane never replied. Has anyone heard anything new? Drop dates? Anything?

Its April 25th...where the 72 @???

Out in some countries and pretty much sold out. Still waiting on others. In Canada, it's looking like may

My 72 and 12 went back on Monday, the 72 for a sticky fader and the 12 for the firmware update and I've just had a text to say they are being delivered back to me tomorrow. Pretty good service so far then!