interesting

Watchwww.youtube.com

DJM-T1 is supported. I'm intrigued.

and the S9 it not officially supported interested to see how that hack works and pioneer claimed its only compatible with their vinyl and its using serato vinyl in the vid


game on for DVS users

anyone speak thai?

Interesting, isn't it?




Funny how there's support for a discontinued mixer and no official support for the current flagship scratch mixer. l

has to be a licensing issue.

Equally or more confusing than it being in thai is the use of Serato control vinyl on Rekordbox DVS. Didn't know you could do that. Also, didn't realize till now how much the GUI looks like Traktor.

You think they got themselves in a little doozy by trying to play both sides? I bet when Pio shook hands with Serato for the S9 it was probably in the contract that it would be used with SDJ exclusively. Politics.

just like the controllers we'll probably see a djm-R9

That will have fixed/changed all the things people don't like about the S9 so then people choose the R9 instead of S9

And the R9 wont work with serato i presume.

Pio DVS is looking like an expensive trial even if they gave out the software and add ons for free!

Possible it's a VDJ skin and not rekordbox? And how the hell does my iPhone know what rekordbox is, never typed it before and no auto correct mess.

Let the games begin!!!!

Only one winner ...the customer

Until the next Apple OS Upgrade then everyone loses.

So rekordbox dj dvs works with Rane hardware and Serato control records hmmm

$129 for Rekord Box
$99 for DVS

In my opinion the DVS feature should be free for Pioneer mixers. I'm curious to see how adoption goes for RekordBox DVS.

Serato Club Kit at $169 looks like a much better deal and is a more mature product. Not much for Serato to worry about until Pioneer closes off their mixers to SDJ.

Serato should be very worried when the world's biggest dj company starts eating into their marketshare

One thing is very promising. How smooth the waveforms are in Rekordbox DVS. It reminds me so much of Scratchlive😍 Serato should be worried and fix the bugs that have been in previous versions up until the latest👌🏻

I'd honestly try the DVS for shits and giggles, but I've been trying to sell my T1, and Pioneer just made it valuable again.

I wish there was a free DVS trial, and you didn't need CV that's not out in the wild yet.

There is a video on YouTube of a guy using Serato time code with it on the S9 for that matter.

Leaves us more options to coose from. Lets see how it goes

Now makes me wish I hadn't sold mine... then again the cue buttons on the side weren't the best placement.

Hell, Pioneer just through people with the DJM-T1 a bone. It's worth more to people now.

*threw

True. Still a strange move though. lol

It is considering the S9 is not supported in Rekordbox DVS. Serato's got that on lock. Would be nice to see it supported though.

Just sold mine today, basically because of it. Thanks Pioneer.

Where did you see that? I can only see pioneer mixers (unless I'm mistaken?):

rekordbox.com

I would love to be able to use my 62. Also wondering if they're considering a sound card

Looks like rekordbox works with any coreaudio and aiso sound card. Then you just need to midi map all the functions.

Cool!

That's big right there.

I sold mine once I realized Pio or Serato wasn't gonna give support for club kit or whatever the hell it's called.

Why though? Especially if serato already works. Just curious.

Same here!! Damn you Pioneer!! Gonna try and buy that bitch back, lmmfao!!

You said it right there. Just curious. I like to try everything. Had to try traktor. Hated it. 90% chance I'll be sticking to the more mature software. That said, if it ever gets to the stage where HID integration is as simple as a single USB connection in the club then I'm almost sold

Here's the video of Rekordbox DVS working with Serato CV's. Pretty dope but I think it's just the mixer he's using. Can someone confirm if it works with Rane boxes?
youtu.be

LOL those scopes were crystal clear too. So much for "exclusive rekordbox vinyl"

Hmmm I hear ya... I dunno, I guess i have a "If it ain't broke" outlook. Serato works for me and I love it so no point in trying new stuff. Also just don't have the time, but I guess that's just me. I see where you're coming from though.

Man with all the bitching you people do about SDJ, better read those comments about library issues and search quirks.

I have mapped my djm s9 to rekordbox dj all the hot cues are mapped to the pads etc use my 2000's in HID mode.

Big issue atm though .... the 4 pads in the middle to switch from hot cues , slicer etc are to unlocked as in .

I have mapped , fc / slicer / sampler to those buttons and it changes on screen . But doest register the pads to be assigned . So i can only map hot cues at the moment and not control the slicer etc etc the minute thats sorted I'm out of serato i think. Rekordbox runs very smoothly had no issues yet , where as I've had multiple issues with serato over time .

Not just gunna dump serato but use both and fade wither one out to which i prefer .


To sum up I've mapped everything from load / search / loop controls to the s9 . Just unable to open up potentially 32 pads each side for slicer / sampler etc. as i said hot cues work and thats all i use really .

Mapped it to my Kontrol Z2 and it worked pretty good with DVS. Still needs work but it isn't bad.

Well I bit the bullet and paid the 10 bucks a month thing so I could try it out again and they have come along way since that first release.

Not sure if it's just me but the sound seems alot cleaner then SDJ, really crispy.

The fx's sound great to me, really like how everything is mapped out on my DDJ SP1.

I'm not that great at scratchin but it felt alright. I was able to pull off the little bit I can do so I was pleased. I didnt wanna dig my tables out so I just put the signal on the internal drives of my Denon 5500's and it all worked pretty well.

Only thing I couldn't figure out was, how do I adjust the lead in time??

I do see this as a viable option in the future 👍

Here's a brief video on DVS.
Watchwww.youtube.com

^ dope video. Thanks.

No escaping this!

Irv did it just work with your mixer and control vinyl out of the box?

Officially it has its list of mixers. I have a Rane 62 and will like to try it too.

Yes and No.

By that I mean I had to go into the sound card preferences in RB and set the inputs for my Z2. That was easy. I also had to MIDI map a lot of the functions to the mixer. Not as easy but, not difficult either.

I say download a 30 day RB demo when you know you have time to test it. That's what I did.

Already did the demo prior to DVS and it's expired.
Maybe I will try the tenner a month rental option.

The only thing I'm not diggin about Rekordbox is the fact it only sees 1 partition of my 3tb drive.

I have my drives split up into videos and mp3's. So looks like ill have to go back and pick up another drive then lump everything together.

Just downloaded the trial and the sound is cutting intermittently with the 62.
Like I'm transforming.

I have deck one on Channel 5&6
Deck two on 7&8

Tried with DVS and also the internal player. Any ideas?

There's a couple of things I don't dig on it.

Doesn't switch automatically to Internal at the end of the CV (this could be because I'm not using RB CV)
Doesn't switch automatically to my Z2 sound card when plugged in.
CMD+F doesn't always go to the search bar and it when it does it doesn't go to 'All Files'

@Irv asides setting the channels, did you have to do anything else.
Even using it as a straight sound card option using the internal controls my sound is chopping. Basically it's stuttering every second.

When I switch to my laptop sound card it plays fine. Must be something with the Mixer.

Even with the stuttering I feel the sound is a bit fuller than Serato, maybe I'm wrong.

@Marv I set the channels in internal mode but when you do this you definitely need to map your faders, eq, gain.

I don't have a rane mixer or soundcard at home but maybe the driver for your 62 is set to bit rate that RB can't do or they are set to different bit rates and not syncing up properly.

I thought RB sounds fine but, I could not do an Apple to Apple comparison with Serato since I didn't have a soundcard for Serato at home. Not sure if it sounds better than Traktor because I do like the way TSP sounds.

Play with the driver settings in the Control Panel for your SixtyTwo. That might do it.

I had no dropouts using a DJM850.

Maybe your latency is set to low??

Latency is on default settings. I will adjust and update yell.

Not so much to change in Rane control panel. Rekordbox states that Rane 62 is 48000khz and I can't change that value either.

I'll be back!

Adjusted the Buffer to lowest setting
Sample rate is fixed at 48000hz
Buffer is set to 64 (1.3ms)
Rane 62 selected as Audio

Some definite improvement in terms of playability, now stutters say every 3/4 seconds sometimes longer.

I wouldn't call it an audio drop out as such as the wave form pauses too when the audio cuts.

I'm Rane Control Panel, there isn't anything that I can adjust that might make a difference, they removed the other latency settings a whilst back if I'm correct. There used to be a setting there.

When I adjusted to the highest buffer setting it was worse.

What OS are you using, sorry I didn't see or maybe I missed it?

I had to install new drivers for El Cap when I hooked up my 850.

I'm on Yosemite.

Tried installing older firmware but that's not possible. The 62 is on the latest firmware 2.53

Im gonna give up. Just wanted to try it. I don't have any other USB Mixer to try. I know it works fine with my DDJsx when I tried it out weeks back. Just wanted to try the DVS option.

Is changing the Sample Rate in RB to 48100 Hz possible?

In the option, it just gives me 48000hz I'm guessing that's based on the hardware connected.

If I change to internal audio, I get other selectable options in the drop menu

Sounds like you are doing everything right and it just doesn't work.

Yup. Done trying.

Saw a video on YouTube of a guy with CDJs and 62 but the CDJs might have been the audio output.

Please post!

Check midi audio output and make sure it's matched to 48k, it should be anyways.

Checked that now.it's on 48000hz.

Video showing where I'm at with it

youtu.be

See you have the 62 selected as a soundcard for your OS change that back to internal speakers. Then restart everything and try again.

No difference.

Gotta love SSD though. Laptop boots up in seconds. I was just about to leave home and quickly did it.

Anyways it made no difference to the sound, still stuttering.

Bummer, i guess you would need contact Rane & Pioneer to see what they say. Maybe they won't be that interested tho.

man, can someone please run me through the input settings for the 62 (with turntables)?

I can't seem to figure it out (its always been plug and play for me i'm a bit lost)

Think I have the input on Right Deck to 5 & 6
Left deck to 7&8

I'm not home now so can't check.

Did you get it running?

And that's using Phono 1 & 3

Seriously doubt they will be interested.

Not really in the market for a new mixer either as I still play on Scratch live occasionally. I'm gonna hold on to the 62 for a long time. The S9 looks great but not officially supported by Rekordbox too.

YES! thank you so much (was the other way round)

EXCEPT

Very first thing i notice is that it cuts in and out too! I have exactly the same problem with the 62

God damn it's nice having retina display - serato take note please

When I get some time, I'll try it out on my SZ.
Biggest issue I have with RB is that you cannot use a USB stick that was imported from RB in the performance mode. So dumb...

I've posted in the Rane forum to see if they can help with it. Inasmuch as its not officially supported I reckon one can still file a help request as one of the features of the 62 is to work as a sound card with any chosen software. 😉

dj.rane.com

But with the El Capitan issue I'm not gonna be holding my breath.

Would have been deadly if it had worked.

Zach over at Rane has responded to my question
[quote author="Zach Stone" date="1459269448"]Hey Marv,

As you already know, Rane hardware is not supported in Recordbox.
You aren't doing anything wrong. It just doesn't work as it should because no design work has been put into getting it to work. Obviously this would need a Pioneer/Rane colaboration. Can't say if this will ever happen. Of course we would like to see our units work with any and all software out there. We'll have to wait and see what happens.


So that's it for now guys, no joy for Rekordbox on Rane 62.

youtu.be

That's the video I saw. But I think he is using the CDJs as sound card. I could be wrong, I will shoot him message on YouTube.

I noticed this on a Japanese website,

translate.google.co.jp

They're selling official control vinyl for Rekordbox. Haven't noticed it on any UK sites...

It works no issues in internal mode? This guy is clearly using the mixer with no problems but hid. Makes no sense but the video was posted in 2015, so maybe it's the operating system.

Aww man that's very decent of you thanks.

But what u mean El capital issue? I haven't upgraded my OSX. I'm still on an older one.

Maybe I should try my A6 or SL3?

Aside from that I wanna let everyone know that even if it did work properly, I would definitely be sticking with serato. I can't really see any major advantages that this software has over serato. As far as I'm concerned it's just an imitation. I bet they're pissed that the shortcuts and GUI are almost identical. It's got a long way to go. The only thing that would entice me would be compatability. Like in a club environment

@Matty Stiles, did you try those other soundcard you mentioned?

I meant El Capitan issues in terms of them still trying to sort out ther current issue with El Capitan as per Devices not working as it should be.

I'm also on Yosemite.



I think in HID mode you can create aggregate sound card for audio, thus the sound will be coming out via the CDJs RCA instead. When i used CDJs with a regular mixer thats how you connect it.

Not at home right now but I'll let you know!

Too bad some of you guys sold their DJM-T1 ! :/

I still have mine and use it since a while with SDJ (own mapping) and it can also record the master to a file with a 3rd party software.
To unlock SDJ I'm using a Numark V7, so far I'm very happy with this combo.

But, I have midi mapping issue with SDJ 1.7.6, 1.7.8 is breaking my keys tags done with Beatunes, 1.8 and above have drop support for Core2Duo cpu and adding the fact that i don't have any display since the 1.8 version.

All of this give me 2 choices :
- stuck to 1.7.6 and these midi issues
- go for something else

Already tried Traktor, VDJ, MixVibes and didn't like them and now RekordBox is going all out.
- DJM T1 : check
- Midi mapping : check
- Fx : check
- DVS : check

So what I need now is only a Pioneer deck (XDJ1000 seems the cheapest).
RekordBuddy will handle the metadata switch, so everything seems nice.

But can RekordBox work with only one deck ? Yes, I'm one of those guy... :/

You mean instant doubles, it will be an oversight if they left that out.
Or are you thinking of the way the Numark V7 works, native switching of decks. Best to download the manual of the XDJ1000 to find out

Instant double I meant.
Yes but their main goal is to sell hardware, so without instant double they could force you to buy 2 decks instead of 1...

I've got the answer from another forum btw, RKB does have the instant double feature. ;-)

Instant doubles for RB is the same keyboard command as SDJ/SL.
CMD+Shift+Left (duplicate right deck)
and
CMD+Shift+Right (duplicate left deck)

Did a little vid today, shows scratch performance of Rekordbox DVS. Pretty spot on....especially for "unsupported" hardware.

www.youtube.com

To RekordBox's credit that CV is beat hell. You can actually how much damage is on that CV. When I tried RekordBox with the improved performance vinyl it was even better.

rekord box is dope. it works perfect with sdj vinyl. used with an s9, i guess i would have to midi map things but i am impressed with the vinyl control. 10$ a month really isnt that bad. i can see it taking over. to me you could just organize in itunes or serato and drag to rekord box.

Why do you have it set it internal mixing whilst using an external mixer?

Does that not defeat the purpose of using an external mixer.

You mentioned in your video that you've seen people use it with the Rane 62, and it doesn't work well with it. Sound keeps chopping.

I'm going to try it using your internal mixing config and see if that makes any difference

Tried it with internal mixer mode, sound is still cutting out.

Not luck with the 62

Because I am a post fader effect whore and you can't have post fader effects unless the routing is internal.


Not really, the mixer just functions as a controller the same it does in TSP. (i think).


Not sure I said that. Although it should work it obviously doesn't.


If you're talking about the audio on the 62 i doubt it will help.

Thanks for the video.

Guys I'll try to give some sound cards a test. I've just been so busy with study. I'll let you know how I get on. 62 is wack. Looks like that has been established. If anyone has any success with the 62 please let us know!

Sell me your 62 if it's that bad LOL!

RKBX DVS works with every sound card with 2IN and 2OUT

So RANE SL2 // SL3 // SL4
DENON DS1
NATIVE A4 A6 A8 A10
etc ... works !!

Ok, so I guess Pioneer did this on purpose even if not officially advertised so people could test/switch easily.

Interesting...May have to try this

How come we haven't seen any field report for users of these devices or has everyone gone the controller route.

The trial version of RKBX is full featured, free and not totally different in appearance from Serato. Lol

Thanks for that post, just wondering if you tried all those sound cards individually, Especially the ones with more than 2ins and 2outs.

What about the SL1?

its super tight vinyl wise with pio s9. i was impressed.

Its having issues with the Rane 62, but im sure Rane will try and tackle that, or pioneer. Pioneer wants to sell the software side of it, supported or not.

$129 + $99 and you can use what ever hardware you want if it works, smart move on their end.

ive always said thats what kills serato. trying to keep things in a closed system, in modern technology, is a bad idea. having only an offline player.

all these crappy intro controllers, that by any stretch are cheaply made and have bad sound quality, could have been skirted by opening the sound card options and letting people use ANY soundcard. then they could have kept pro level quality and worked with new djs, but not have to deal with every single controller and their users.

pioneer will dominate and serato's market share will shrink by 10-40% in 5-7 years. the writing is on the wall.

I signed up for 11$ a month with rekordbox. it works fine with my s9(not natively mapped but just like i had a sl3.

serato developers, you better get on that pioneer train now.

As much as I hate to admit it I still take advantage of the beat and tempo match displays in serato.

I find it funny how they're advertising low latency. No shit it should have low latency

Pretty cool how u don't have to buy an exclusive soundcard

you could do without most likely, but i use them too.

its suprising when i do play vinyl around the house because i think about the mix and take my time so much more than just lining up wave forms and cueing.

Apple seems to be doing ok with the iPhones using that methodology.

I applaud PIO for making a stab at the market this way, but time will tell what non-PIO get real love, if at all, or if it's just allowed but not supported side use that lets other devices sometimes work nicely with it.

Ordered Rekordbox Control Vinyl the day it was announced and got it last week. The record seemed notably heavier than any rane control vinyl I've used. Aside from it also being warped it was unusable to scratch with because of the amount of friction (I was using my regular butter rugs so no variables apart from the record). There was virtually no backspin and you literally had to drag the record with force to scratch.
I called Pioneer support and they said (after 20 minutes on hold while the guy talked to the warehouse) That the records produced by "X" factory were faulty and that they wouldn't be able to issue replacements for a month.
All of this to ask, why am I not hearing more about this, I've been scouring the internet and it doesn't seem like anybody has had a similar experience. I can't be THAT unlucky?
As I mentioned I did order it as soon as it was announced because I like to try new things, so perhaps they caught the problem early, but not early enough. Either way just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience?

Curious are you using El Capitan? The OS X may be why the Rane 62 is having w/Rekordbox?

Problems*

Member when apple almost went out of business? I do. And Serato is no apple. Comparison literally apples and oranges

Hey, No it is not me. It was reported by another user. I sold my 62 for an S9 a few months back so I have no way of testing it out.

Yosemite. And I posted on the Rane forum and I quoted the response I got. In summary Rane doubts if pioneer will approach them officially because they are rivals in hardware market.

This got me thinking if Traktor can be supported (NI makes hardware too) why can't they look at the Rane 62 perhaps a minor firmware tweak, hell they don't even have to say they updated the firmware to support rekordbox but the smart ones will know.

Thus the Mixer gets another use, after all apart official use of Serato one should be able to use the Mixer as a sound card with other softwares be it Daw or otherwise

The ipod and iPhone brought them out of the dangerzone...i think.

Beside windows is still the most ubiquitous OS in the world.

Pioneer - Thanks for showing us the way Serato & Rane. We'll take from here.

Serato should just go back to SSL (call it something else for legal reasons) and everything will be okay lol

Cosign💯

Hah, you guys are obviously not aware of the history and why it even occurred then. If you have the time do some digging around these forums at the end of the SSL era and when SDJ first appeared.

I don't think any of the SSL devs are even with the company at this point.

I know why it occurred and the history. My thing is the GUI. I still prefer the GUI of SSL. If SDJ has the same colors and GUI, I'd be all over it in a heartbeat. So when I say SSL I mean the look mainly.

They aren't that explains why SDJ is so buggish😕 They brought DVS to a software that was strictly controller based. What a bad idea to cross platform🙄

Apparently the "internal infrastructure" of SDJ is a lot Cleaner than SSL. Yeah ok serato. Why so many bugs?!?!

Would you care to give some links or keywords about the SSL team ? I tried to search but no luck...
SDJ must be cleaner but they have a hell of support to do, that they didn't have with SSL.

Hi I connect even though after a while 'time, I tried recordbox with my mixer Rane 62, Mac okay, but Windows can not use it as an external mixer, how come this problem, if you try to switch modes from internal to external, part of the output channels is empty, and in the pull-down output channels are not displayed, and once you exit the audio menu and tried there is the inscription no audio device found. why Windows there is this problem with the sound card?

Might want to ask on the Rekordbox forums vs Serato ones.

I know you talk about Serato but being a discussion on dvs of the pioneer program, it seems legitimate to ask, and for your information I have already asked the pioneer why there is this problem on Windows, of course the answer was not supporting mixers not pioneer can not help.

Seeing alot of people talking about what DVS is better. I dont know. I'll tell you what i do know;

I got the Pioneer DJM450. It came with Rekordbox and its DVS. What I didnt realize, is that Serato does NOT support this mixer. Ooops.

Rekordbox will work with Serato Scratch Live Control Vinyl.

youtu.be

I used Traktor for Years, when in the last Year i start to play in places, where Pioneer gear is using constantly (mainly CDJ-2000nexus with DJM900). My home setup - DJM-850/CDJ-800mk2/X1/Laptop I3 Win8.1.

Using laptop with CDJs was'nt comfortable (especially, when We don't have enough space in DJbooth).

I start to think about change Traktor to rekordbox with DVS. I download trial version, where i installed it on fresh system, optimized for audio purposes (Win).

Below my impressions :
+ Easy setup, intuitive
+ Simple tracks management
+ intelligent playlist
+ easy export to USB stick for CDJs
+ very good sound quality

- not stable DVS (occasional cracks/glitching)
- no absolute mode for serato timecode CD
- no warning indication for timecode end (playback stopping)
- poor quality of visualizing track in waveforms

For me, after 2 weeks testing, Traktor still is no 1. Rekordbox need to work harder to improve stability - at now is a useless piece of software.....
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