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Back cueing/needle skipping

knivfest 7:02 PM - 3 March, 2016
Hi,

I’m new to Serato. Been using Traktor for the past few years. Using Technics turntables with Ortofon Q’s, a Rane TTM57MKII, latest Serato DJ (in relative mode) on a MacBook Pro 13” early 2015 with 10.11.4 beta.

When I am back cueing, the song/waveform ”jumps around” in Serato. So if I beat juggle and rewind to my starting point, the song/track jumps to another point than I originally started at. Kind of hard to explain. Lets say I cue up a kick, play the beat for a few bars, rewind to the starting cue/point, it doesn’t come to that point but a few beats before or after. Just like when the needle skips on a regular record. Am I missing something here? From my experience with Traktor you could be really heavy handed and still land on the exact point you started at.

The thing is, I can scratch like maniac and the cue stays where it should. But beat juggling just doesn’t work. I’ve calibrated and tried different settings.

I know the TTM57MKII isn’t supported by El Capitan, thats why I am running the latest beta which supposedly should work.

Cheers
knivfest 5:28 PM - 5 March, 2016
Fuck this shit. I'm sticking to Traktor/Z2. Waste of fucking time and money thinking Serato/Rane would be better..
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 6:25 PM - 5 March, 2016
Yosemite or Mavericks anyone????
Good luck with Traktor knivfest, you're gonna need it.
Serato is very stable if you DON'T UPGRADE TO EL CAPITAN OR ABOVE!!!!
I have no issues along with almost every professional user that has NOT UPGRADED TO EL CAPITAN
knivfest 6:30 PM - 5 March, 2016
I've been using Traktor for years so I know my way around it. I did try Serato on Yosemite and there was no difference at all from El Capitan..
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 6:46 PM - 5 March, 2016
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I've been using Traktor for years so I know my way around it. I did try Serato on Yosemite and there was no difference at all from El Capitan..

What issues did you experience on yosemite?
Niro 6:47 PM - 6 March, 2016
Sounds like your needles are skipping (lifting of the record) while you're backspinning. This will change your record position in relative mode. They are control records, but still records, so will to treat it that way, in trakor or serato. Tighten holes, make sure records aren't warped...etc. good luck.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 7:02 PM - 6 March, 2016
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Sounds like your needles are skipping (lifting of the record) while you're backspinning. This will change your record position in relative mode. They are control records, but still records, so will to treat it that way, in trakor or serato. Tighten holes, make sure records aren't warped...etc. good luck.

In relative mode it ignores needle jumps.
This would be correct if you were in Absolute mode.
Niro 8:46 PM - 6 March, 2016
When doing stuff like beat juggling, fast backcueing, it will effect yhe needle relative postion.
knivfest 7:34 AM - 7 March, 2016
What I don't get is that I can basically jump on my turntables using Traktor. With Serato I have to be really light handed when juggling. How can there be such a difference between the two?
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 7:42 AM - 7 March, 2016
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What I don't get is that I can basically jump on my turntables using Traktor. With Serato I have to be really light handed when juggling. How can there be such a difference between the two?

I hammer the he'll out of my decks when beat juggling and I don't experience any of the issues you describe.
If you have calibrated your turntables in scope view and are set to relative mode then you should have no problems.
I can only assume your problems are an issue with your OS.
As I said earlier Yosemite or Mavericks is where you should be.
knivfest 7:47 AM - 7 March, 2016
Decks calibrated and perfectly setup, tried every possible variation of settings. And as I wrote before, I did try Yosemite.

I actually tried with my Traktor records as well. Even though the pitch is way off, the same issues occur.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 7:58 AM - 7 March, 2016
What you are experiencing is not normal behaviour.
If you raise a help ticket then I'm sure the Serato guys will get to the bottom of your issue.
knivfest 8:00 AM - 7 March, 2016
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What you are experiencing is not normal behaviour.
If you raise a help ticket then I'm sure the Serato guys will get to the bottom of your issue.


Yeah we're emailing back and forth. We'll see what happens.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 8:48 AM - 7 March, 2016
Just out of interest hae you tried Scratch Live to see if you get the same issue?
knivfest 8:51 AM - 7 March, 2016
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Just out of interest hae you tried Scratch Live to see if you get the same issue?


I would if it worked with the TTM57MKII.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 9:01 AM - 7 March, 2016
Ah yep
My bad
knivfest 9:07 AM - 7 March, 2016
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Ah yep
My bad


Would you do me a favor? Go to the end of a track and place the needle near the label, back spin (fast) and look at the virtual deck/waveform and see what happens?
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 9:19 AM - 7 March, 2016
Will do later when I get home.
I'm at work for another 5 hours tho
I back spin fast quite regular when beat juggling and never have any issues. But I will look at the waveform for you.
knivfest 9:30 AM - 7 March, 2016
Thanks mate!
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 5:57 PM - 7 March, 2016
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Ah yep
My bad


Would you do me a favor? Go to the end of a track and place the needle near the label, back spin (fast) and look at the virtual deck/waveform and see what happens?

Ok I have done as you asked. No skipping or anything odd. Track rewinds as fast as I can spin the vinyl back and the waveform keeps up with what's happening. Only issue is if you get too close to label then it will switch to internal mode, but this is supposed to happen
Niro 12:17 AM - 8 March, 2016
I was going thru this same issue with some White Taruya needles I received from Japan. Scratching was on point, but juggling was off. Talked to Abe the makers and he told me they weren't great at tracking for juggles and fas backspins. The chromes one where good, similar to Shure M44-7's.

If you're setup is the same with your traktor setup, the culprit is probably your Serato control records. They are either warped, cupped or maybe the center hole is too big... If they seem flat, lay them on a piece of marble (like your countertop) or glass and see if they actually are. Sometimes, actually a lot of times your turntables spindle wears out and has a wobble like a seesaw effect.

good luck
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 7:20 AM - 8 March, 2016
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I was going thru this same issue with some White Taruya needles I received from Japan. Scratching was on point, but juggling was off. Talked to Abe the makers and he told me they weren't great at tracking for juggles and fas backspins. The chromes one where good, similar to Shure M44-7's.

If you're setup is the same with your traktor setup, the culprit is probably your Serato control records. They are either warped, cupped or maybe the center hole is too big... If they seem flat, lay them on a piece of marble (like your countertop) or glass and see if they actually are. Sometimes, actually a lot of times your turntables spindle wears out and has a wobble like a seesaw effect.

good luck

You are missing the point here.
His problem is not that the needle skips, his problem is that even tho he is in relative mode (which ignores needle skips) the track jumps around as tho it is skipping, but only when fast backsponning
knivfest 7:21 AM - 8 March, 2016
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Ah yep
My bad


Would you do me a favor? Go to the end of a track and place the needle near the label, back spin (fast) and look at the virtual deck/waveform and see what happens?

Ok I have done as you asked. No skipping or anything odd. Track rewinds as fast as I can spin the vinyl back and the waveform keeps up with what's happening. Only issue is if you get too close to label then it will switch to internal mode, but this is supposed to happen


Thanks for testing man!
knivfest 7:25 AM - 8 March, 2016
I have ordered a new pair of control vinyls. Let's hope that solves it. I don't really think it will though as the same issues occur when I tried my Traktor vinyls (yes pitch way off :)) and they are perfectly flat and have nice and tight holes.

I will try and post a video of the issue this week.

Thanks for your help dudes!
Niro 7:26 AM - 8 March, 2016
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I was going thru this same issue with some White Taruya needles I received from Japan. Scratching was on point, but juggling was off. Talked to Abe the makers and he told me they weren't great at tracking for juggles and fas backspins. The chromes one where good, similar to Shure M44-7's.

If you're setup is the same with your traktor setup, the culprit is probably your Serato control records. They are either warped, cupped or maybe the center hole is too big... If they seem flat, lay them on a piece of marble (like your countertop) or glass and see if they actually are. Sometimes, actually a lot of times your turntables spindle wears out and has a wobble like a seesaw effect.

good luck

You are missing the point here.
His problem is not that the needle skips, his problem is that even tho he is in relative mode (which ignores needle skips) the track jumps around as tho it is skipping, but only when fast backsponning


I get the point, I'm saying needle skipping will effect the sticker position.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 7:29 AM - 8 March, 2016
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I was going thru this same issue with some White Taruya needles I received from Japan. Scratching was on point, but juggling was off. Talked to Abe the makers and he told me they weren't great at tracking for juggles and fas backspins. The chromes one where good, similar to Shure M44-7's.

If you're setup is the same with your traktor setup, the culprit is probably your Serato control records. They are either warped, cupped or maybe the center hole is too big... If they seem flat, lay them on a piece of marble (like your countertop) or glass and see if they actually are. Sometimes, actually a lot of times your turntables spindle wears out and has a wobble like a seesaw effect.

good luck

You are missing the point here.
His problem is not that the needle skips, his problem is that even tho he is in relative mode (which ignores needle skips) the track jumps around as tho it is skipping, but only when fast backsponning


I get the point, I'm saying needle skipping will effect the sticker position.

Not in relative mode
Niro 7:34 AM - 8 March, 2016
Yes, realtive mode was designed to ignore needle skips, but it doesn't work with major skips.
knivfest 8:32 AM - 8 March, 2016
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Yes, realtive mode was designed to ignore needle skips, but it doesn't work with major skips.


On Traktor relative mode seems to work with major skips. How can there be such a big difference between the two systems? Feels like deal breaker to me...
knivfest 4:48 PM - 30 March, 2016
I still have this issue. Support didn't help. I have tried everything. Frustrating af!

Tried with three different versions of Serato, five pairs of SCV, more needle pressure, other needles, taped the center holes, various slipmats, two macs (Yosemite and El Capitan) and even, as mentioned above, Traktor CV's. Of course I've tested every possible combination of settings in Serato. My Technics are in super great condition.

Anything else I should try? Right now I'm using my TTM57MK2 with Traktor/Scratch A6. Didn't see that one coming when I first got the mixer...
Niro 7:33 PM - 30 March, 2016
Can you post a closeup video.
knivfest 6:23 AM - 31 March, 2016
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Can you post a closeup video.


I did a video that I sent to Kane but deleted it. I will do a new one.
knivfest 6:23 AM - 31 March, 2016
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Feel free to email me again about this @knivfest, we can continue to dig into why this behaviour is occurring


Just did!
knivfest 9:04 AM - 2 April, 2016
I FOUND A SOLUTION!

1. Modify Traktor so it can use any sound card/mixer.
2. Use your TTM57MKII with Traktor.
3. Uninstall Serato.
4. Problem solved.
ccdjjj 5:35 PM - 31 May, 2018
Any solution still using Serato ?
I started having the same problem when changing my ortofon needles for shure m44g.
Not an actual skipping problem, with same weight and strength it doesn't skip on real vinyl.