Yep it's a bug in 1.8.0 there are many gui issues in 1.8.0

I forgot to mention my computer specs:

MacBook Pro 2,6 GHz Intel Quad Core i7
8 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB
1 TB Solid-State SATA-Drive
Mac OSX 10.10.5

Makes no difference it's the new gui texh in 1.8.0 thats the problem.

How is with hardware connected though? Same way?

Not as bad as without connected hardware - but Serato DJ 1.7.8 is really more fluent with or without connected hardware. And I believe the fonts of the playlists even look better (brighter, fatter) with Serato DJ 1.7.8.

Interesting I'm only using 1.8 offline and everything looks really smooth on my mid 2014 macbook pro w/ 16 gigs ram and 10.10.5 Yosemite. Have you tried updating your OS (not El Capitan)

I have OSX 10.10.5 installed.

Hrmm. And how much space left on your mac's drive?

Maybe my MacBook Pro is too old now for Serato DJ 1.8 :-)

I have 136 GB free disc space right now.

That is a possibility unfortunately sdj uses a lot of cpu def more than I've ever seen Scratchlive use. Can you upgrade your ram?

I could upgrade my ram but I hope Serato will do something about it.

I'm sure they will I think they really rushed this update in time for the support for the pioneer s9. Till then I guess roll back to an earlier version.

Serato DJ 1.8 is really hurting my eyes when I watch the stuttering waveform or the thinner fonts.

From what I'm reading in the beta section there are bugs within the gui of 1.8 which i why you are having issues. So downgrading may be best for now. Good luck.

is prob*

I am fine with 1.7.8.

It is an issue due to the new gui technology Serato completely rebuilt the gui from the growd up. They made loads of improvements in the beta but they released it without getting the waveforms as good as versions before 1.8.0

They will carry on working on it and making them better.

Hopefully :-)

I have a major freeze issue with Serato DJ 1.8 (with Serato Video)
Here is the crash report:
AppHangB1
ver: 1.8.0.7382
timestamp: 563003cf
hang-signature: ebe9
hang-type: 22528

I'm on win 7
i73610qm
24 GB ram
GeForce GT 630 1 GB
A lot of free space on HD

My system has been working flawless since ver 1.1, but now it's a mess.
There's no way I'm going to a gig with Serato DJ 1.8
Downgrading to ver 1.7.8

Not good I use Serato Video and hope this doesn't happen on Mac.

does 1.8 still hog CPU, supposedly it wAS suppose to lower CPU as i saw i post on the article when they mention 1.8 was going to be released on the serato site. any one notice a difference??

yes i see a huge difference in cpu when analyzing files. With 1.7.8 the cpu would sky rocket but with 1.8 it's not even half cpu analyzing. Have not used 1.8 live yet but have had great results with 1.7.8

Unable to use 1.8 (win7 64 bit, 3.6ghz qx9650, gtx 670, 4gb ram, plenty of drivce space) due to serious stutters in audio when doing anything (scrolling, track selection etc) both offline mode and with sl2 attached
Oddley stutters and pops go when app is minimized and playing


Had to roll back to 1.78 which is a shame as key detection is looking great.

Menace,

Glad to see im not the only one with this waveform stuttering issue. Used it at a gig last night and the whole night that waveform needle had me on edge. The whole night kept thinking that Serato Dj was going to crash on me. Think I'm going drop back to previous release!!

Thanks for posting!!!

have you tried reducing screen update rate under display tab ? u.cdn.sera.to

I have tried having the screen update set all the way to the left. It seems to make the issue mildly better however still unusable with regards to audio quality.

Thanks all for the help.
Unfortunately, still having the issue.

On the opposite but positive note, I get better waveforms with 1.8.1 than 1.8.0 on Dual-Core Imac.

'Hope this will work the same way with my older backup 2008 & 2009 Macbooks.

I'm not getting this problem on my newer i7 Macbooks.

Waveform in 1.8.1 has a little improvement compare to 1.8.0.

But, 1.7.x waveform is still better than 1.8.1 on my (mid) 2012 MBP 2.9Ghz i7 8gb Ram, 750gb hdd, Intel HD Graphics 4000 and ML v10.8.3 os.

Here are some videos I made comparing waveform performance in SDJ 1.7.8 and 1.8.1 -

30 fps - Watchwww.youtube.com
60 fps - Watchwww.youtube.com

MacBook Pro 15-inch mid 2012, 2.6 GHz i7, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M, SSD and HDD, OS X Yosemite 10.10.5

1.7.x waveform is still better than 1.8.1 for sure. Come on SERATO, this issue still there from 1.8.0 :)) ... i cannot use 1.8.0 or 1.8.1

So I'm guessing this still isn't fixed??? Sticking with 1.7.8 for now then...

its weird how much smoother ssl is until you havent used it in a while. its so much easier on the eyes for the wav form to be NOT jerky.

Thank you for making this easy-to-see comparison. 1.8 really felt like a huge step backwards in the all around GUI of SDJ. Text is harder to read, waveforms more jerky, just really obvious elements that should only be getting better are getting noticeably worse. It's time for Serato to bring in a talented GUI designer, or at least a competent graphic designer who understands color palates, and get a full overhaul of their interface.

+1 I'm still using it. I don't get it my Mac is a beast with 16 gigs ram but SDJ is not smooth. Waveforms are always jittery like I'm on an old windows 95 computer. This is 2016 fix the shit😂💯

+1 on everything.

having the same issue since 1.8
also had midi issues with 1.7... which have been fixed with 1.8, downgrading isn't possible for me because of that.

Same problem here.Running Mac pro ret i5 8gb ram SSD,and I have that bad waveform on 1.8.1 which put me in dillema if my pc isn't good enough to run the latest version.I'm using Yosemite 10.10.5,and downgraded my serato to 1.7.6 which has great waveform but still expiriencing crashes maybe once on two months.

I really thought they would've figured this out by this last update at least. It has nothing to do with computer speed apparently, as I'm running a 3Ghz Intel Core i7 with about 500gb free on my 1TB SSD. "Just us 1.7.8" they say. Sure thing, I'll just hook that right up to my S9 and cross my fingers. Thanks guys.

no luck on the waveform stuttering in SDJ 1.9 beta :(

running similar specs as mentioned above: MBP 15 inch mid 2012 2.7 ghz i7 16 gb RAM NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M

I'm fairly certain that SDJ doesnt use GPGPU -meaning CUDA or OpenCL/GL- to accelerate the waveform generation, so which Graphics Card you have wouldnt have much of an effect on performance unfortunately.

Further reading: www.tacc.utexas.edu

then what would it be...?

It just needs to be optimized. Serato seems to be taking punches left and right from both Microsoft and Apple when it comes to rapid changes to operating systems.

My guess it they've been so busy trying to just get it to launch and connect to controllers that they haven't had time to optimize the various parts of the software yet.

I know one thing that needs work is the font rendering/DPI scaling.

I still have stuttering waveforms with version 1.8.2 - come on Serato Developers! Don't you see it yourself?!

It's no fun. After 10 seconds I deleted the new version. Back to smooth waveforms with version 1.7.8.

I agree even with the offline player...I'm still on SSL. Smooth as butter ova here.

1.8.2 waveforms stutter for me too (MBP 15-inch mid-2012 / 2.6 GHz i7 / 16 GB RAM / SSD)

Very disappointing, I guess the waveforms don't fall under "CPU and general performance optimisations" this time around.

Ohhh...that's a good one. #sadbutrue

I just tested SDJ 1.8.2 in the offline player mode and the wave forms STILL stutter. I bought the Denon MCx8000 so I can't go back to SDJ 1.7.8 (which is MUCH smoother!!) I hope this wave form display issue can be fixed in SDJ 1.9. I just want the wave forms to be as smooth as SSL.

Mid 2012 15inch MBP OSX 10.8.5 /2.6 i7/16GB RAM/ 750GB Internal HD

You guys, this problem isnt going to go away without an update.

If you read my post above, I try to explain why I think its happening, and why it requires an update.

Serato still has time to include an update in 1.9 that could possible fix this wave form display issue. Serato is committed to improving the overall stability and performance of SDJ. I believe Serato understands just how important it is to make SDJ as reliable as SSL.

1.9 is in public beta you wont see any big code changes like that.

Serato Team: Could you give us a sense of when the waveform smoothness of 1.7.8 will return to SDJ? My "serato face" is now accompanied by "serato headache".

Thanks in advance.

Andrei

Can't believe it still hasn't been fixed it is so obvious in their Demo videos on YouTube. Try Serato DJ it'll be fun they said...🙄

This has been a known issue since 1.8.

Even if you compare 1.7.8 to the buttery-smooth waveforms in djay Pro (60 fps, full Retina support) it's like night and day.

I wish Serato would make that a priority, but I doubt we'll see any big interface changes till 2.0.

Quick update...this is still occurring in SDJ version 1.9.0.

Just curious, are Windows 10 users experiencing this as well?

Some have reported that this has been fixed with 10.11.4 and SDJ 1.9.0

Csn this be confirmed by anyone?

Can't see how an operating system point release can fix Seratos coding lol

C'mon man...

here is the vid of my waveforms after updating (not a clean install) from yosemite to El Capitan 10.11.4. using New Rane 62 drivers,Technics 1200 in Rel mode and SDJ 1.9.0

(You need to watch it on 1080p60fps quality)
Watchwww.youtube.com

spec..
Mid 2014 15inch MBP - 2.8Ghz i7 , 16Gb Mem , 1TB SSD , Nvidia GT 750m 2Gb.

I think they are pretty smooth now but cant say 100% that 10.11.4 is a fix for all :)

Still choppy and I'm running 1.9, El Capitan 10.11.4. Workaround for me has been just to zoom the waveforms out to make the effect less noticeable.

I can't test with OS X 10.11.4 because there are still no drivers for the Rane SL4. Weird!

+1, Serato DJ 1.9, Windows 10, GT740M, 8GB, Intel i7, aweful lag/stutter!

I've tested SDJ 1.9 and El Captian 10.11.4. The wave forms are STILL jerky, choppy & they lag/stutter.

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad core 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Captian)

SDJ 1.9 & Yosemite (10.10.5), WavesForms are laggy too.

Really annoying with a 2015 MacBook Pro 15" 2,5Ghz 16GB (2GB Radeon).

Stability and performances are not the point in Serato.

Could Serato PLEASE fix this once and fo all, it's long overdue.

It's #1 on my Top 5 SDJ bug fixes INSTEAD of new features list. Hopefully we will see a resolution by SDJ 2.0

mid 2012 MBP OSX 10.8.5 2.6 i7 Quad core 16GB RAM 750GB internal HD
partitioned HD OSX 10.11.4 (El Captian)

Still no resolution to this problem I see. I've tried everything, still no dice. Considered upgrading my RAM but it appears that doesn't resolve the issue either. Im out of patience at this point.....

1.7.8 👌🏻

Still working fine on 1.7.8? Yosemite of Capitan?

*Or

From 1.8.0 this issue happens so 1.7.8 or lower be fine. Obviously El Capitan is not supported in 1.7.8 and for Pioneer devices El Capitan is not supported lower than 1.8.2

Yea I should of known that ;) Thanks for the input, I will re-download 1.7.8 it tonight and give it a shot!

Uninstalled the latest Serato and re-installed the 1.7.8, still having the same issues. Occurs immediately when I jump around in the track, just doesn't make any sense. I had zero issues with this until only recently, and now it seems no matter what I try it doesn't work. Im about to dump serato and try something else, since they can't seem to fix this ridiculous issue.

Then you are having a different issue to what is being discussed here.

i thought maybe a retina screen would make this better. nope. i just tried 1.9.1 on a MBP Retina mid 2012 and the stuttery waveforms are even more noticeable and the overall UI and text is even more blurry.

please fix this serato!

disgruntled folks join this facebook group: www.facebook.com

I'm happy to report that waveforms in Serato DJ are back to being buttery smooth in the 1.9.2 public beta - sera.to

I'm NOT happy to report that waveforms in Serato dj AREN'T back yet to being buttery smooth in the 1.9.2 public beta

Open a bug report in the beta forum, make sure to include your system specs.
I'm on a mid-2012 15-inch MBP and for me the waveforms are just as smooth as SSL's were.

Seriously??? I'm not going to waste my time reporting this issue again as I have already reported it looong time ago since version 1.8

Oh, just fyi, I'm not the only one having this issue.

Hey Kane D, I fully understand that if you're having issues with sdj you should make a bug report. But, it's kind of funny here in this forum where (some) serato team reads all the threads and I believe they know some users post issues here. serato should relay some of the issues posted here to their developer. This forum just reminds me the quote "what happens in vegas stays in vegas".

[sigh]

Relax... Please give it a try. Report your Mac model including all the information again.

The current build has fixed the issue for me! Yay, smooth waveforms again!!

Now if we could get smooth scrolling inside the crate and tracks area - that would be soooooo cool!

That's incorrect. Since 1.8.0 we use OpenGL to render the waveforms. While we've made a number of optimizations since then, the actual cause of stuttering has proven more difficult to track down. Only some of it seems to relate to hardware, and we're still trying to correlate that with more mysterious causes.


Of course we do. Nothing would please us more than solving this and getting back silky smooth waveforms for everyone. Contrary to popular belief, developers care an awful lot about software working properly.


The purpose of reporting an issue in the Beta is that it becomes the area where we collect any new relevant information and dig deeper into the problem. The most useful discussions will be happening in there, and not here.

Issue still persists on my 2012 MBP 13" Non-Retina (Mountain Lion) and my 2015 MBP 13" Retina (Sierra) with 1.9.6. 1.7.8 works beautifully on both machines, anything newer is headache inducing still.

Does anyone know the motivation for changing the graphics rendering engine in 1.8? It was fine before from a user perspective!

yes ! 1.7.8 stabilty is on point this is what i use all the time

Tried 1.9.9 on my 2012 non-retina 13" MBP, a late 2013 13" Macbook Pro Retina, and a mid-2014 15" Macbook Pro Retina. The 15" is the smoothest of the bunch, but there is still a significant difference. Can anyone explain why Serato rebuilt the graphics from the ground up?

If I purchased a mid 2015 MBP with discrete graphics, would that solve the issue? I really don't want to have to do that.

Unfortunately having the same problem too, Am Having Serato Glitches On My Macbook Pro Retina Early 2013 Core i7 3.0Ghz 8gb Ram Yosemite 10.10.5, When I open Mix Emergency The Serato Waves Tend To Lag, But On My Other Macbook pro non retina core i7 8gb ram OS x mountain lion 10.8.5 seems to function better than the retina, how can this problem be solved.

I gave up on waiting for a fix for this and other issues with Serato, enough is enough, I've moved over to RekordBox.

ok bye

I had this issue when I was running windows loooong time ago now i have a Mac and the wavs are butter smooth if you can afford a Mac then give it a try.

I've head that from other Mac users, but I've yet to see first hand the "butter smooth" waveforms (not that I don't believe "DjSyndic8"). Actually the only "butter smooth" waveform I've seen first hand is in Algoriddim's day Pro 2 for Mac, and the tis smoooooth! I had learned to deal with that to some extent, but I was having too many other issues that just wrecked my confidence in Serato. Every time I was at the tables I was troubleshooting something and f'n around with something else. Since moving to RB, after the initial learning curve, I practice and play gigs, no more trying to fix constant problems (knock on wood).

when I was on windows it just frustrated me seeing the wave files jerky and shit, but I don't think it was that bad on scratch live, after I tried it on Mac I couldn't believe how smooth the wavs were

I recently played an event where the other 3 DJs were on Macs with Serato and none of them looked much better than my Windows 10 PCs (stuttering waveforms). What Mac/OS are you using? My waveforms were smooth back around Serato version 1.7'ish, but have been awful now for multiple releases.

when I first started on Mac I was using Leopard and I started noticing it from then I'm on Yosemite now and running SDJ Pro 2.05

"I recently played an event where the other 3 DJs were on Macs with Serato and none of them looked much better than my Windows 10 PCs (stuttering waveforms). What Mac/OS are you using? My waveforms were smooth back around Serato version 1.7'ish, but have been awful now for multiple releases."

They stutter on both. How much, of course, will depend on certain variables. If its not too bad, keep what you have because if you run out and buy a Mac, you can still have the same problem. Just read through some of the posts. There's no shortage of stuttering waveform complaints on both OS's. If its really bad and you're getting motion sickness, or something, try Rekordbox. It seems to be much better in this area.

shouldnt be looking at ur computer that much if ur getting sick from it

I only get sick when I look at Mac's or Aptiturdface's posts.

Hi Folkz -> Win 10 + i7 + DJ 2.1.0 = stuttering Waveforms ?

Here is my new & clean Notebook :
Acer Aspire 5, i7 8550U, SSD, 12GB, GF MX150

First and only program on the Notebook is Serato DJ 1.2.0
Wave forms are stuttering in internal audio-player
(haven't tried to connect my DDJ-SX2 yet).
I tried new drivers, editing buffer, refresh, latency etc...no help
BT and WiFi off etc...

My 7 year old Notebook : Win7+ i5 never had these problems ?

What can i do ?
Using another (Windows) OS, older Serato Versions, another Laptop ?

Thanks for some ideas !
Greetz from Germany !
Happy X-Mas

Oli

have you tried the latest serato dj pro 2.1?

oh SORRY !!! typo ! I have downoaded the 2.1.0 (Not 1.2.0)