Is it really even necessary? This is just like starting a mac vs PC thread.

Either way, I had a 30 second play with the 3700 the other day. Platter certainly is nice.

guitar center acutally let me bring in my laptop/sl1 and use a setup consisting of 3700/1000mk3 with a djm800. while the pioneer is awesome, the 3700 destroys it when scratching. even nudging it to keep a mix on beat feels better. if i were ever to switch from tt's to a cd player, denon would be taking some money from me.

Yes, I think this is a good thread being that the 3700 is the new comparable player to the standard 1000, people on the fence may get some good info out of users that use both

is the cdj as midi mapable as the 3700? if not, i think the 3700 wins right there.

No, the cdj 1000 and 800 are not Midi at all, Only the cdj-400 is and that is not really in the same league in my opinion as these 2 decks

Wait for Pioneer's new table top coming out early next year. My sources say they are looking into a spinning platter.

Denon wins hand down with the 3700's. Especially with the new SYS 1100 update. I have them and love them. I just wish Denon would do one last update to fix the random cue slip on the DN-HS5500.

I'm just waiting for Native Serato support for the 3700.

Ok the BriChi, least you got the right idea to start a thread like this. Not just trying to start a flame war.

I'm a vinyl user but if the time came that I felt the need to buy CDJ's I would certainly go for the 1000's even if the denons have more features/work better. Simply because the CDJ's are everywhere and I don't see that changing any time soon. Might as well stick with what you'd be using everywhere.
I love to see a bit of competition to push the technology though so I hope it causes pioneer to try make the mk4 a significant update rather than just a few little tweaks.

The spinning platters certainly do make a difference, I've been messing with some CDJ's this week that don't have it and just can't get past feeling something is wrong when I let go of the platter and nothing happens.

Thx Laz for the info,

J.J., still nothing on that 5500 huh? I added my 2 cents to the 5500 thread because I had the same issue before I sold them.

You know any more info on the new Pio comin out :) I can't wait to see if and what they have up their sleeve

in order for pioneer to take the cake in my opinion, it would have to come with with a spinning platter and be midi mapable. that would be a huge push to put that out in one release. if they do have something coming, im sure it'll be one or the other.

If Pio was a little smarter, they would announce something soon or at least hint something, even if it is 7 months out, at least it would stop people from buying the 3700's and wait to see what Pio has coming

On the Pio forumns they have repeated many times that they will not be releasing another CDJ1000 but are focusing more on the DVJ...If that is the truth Denon will be #1 in the CDJ market...but if the DVJ market starts gaining momentum with top DJ's moving over to the VJ format there's no stopping Pioneer.

the only issue I have with the whole DVJ line is the cost, why spend like $5000 on 2 players and be forced to use the dvd's when you can just spen $200 and use VSL with Serato. I know the video may not be as clear because on conversions but let's be honest, 95% of the people at the club would not know the difference if you were mixing videos on a DVJ or with Serato VSL

I like the platters not spinning on the cdjs.

The difference between the pioneer and denon 3700 is night and day!!

I cant work with the Pioneers!! I cant stand the non moving platter and way you gotta move the side of the platter to mix. Its weird and not as quick coming from someone whos been spinning vinyl their whole life.

Now comes the Denon 3700.. I went to guitar center expecting the same sloppy denon cdj, but what i got was a big surprise! I never thought I would actually consider a cd player, but this thing is the truth! All vinyl lovers take note, this thing moves like a real record. Its pretty much as accurate and lag free as vinyl. You can even nudge the platter and it reacts just like vinyl. Wow is all I gotta say. This is the first CD player that has made me even consider switching over. Cutting, scratchin, juggles are on point!!! These things are gonna blow up, mark my words!

Come Bri chi step into the wild side you own a pio mixer and make the players match the mixer.

durability is the key for me. i hated how the first denon players were belt driven. the other dj's in my company all had screen problems with them as well.

it would be nice to have MIDI capabilities i suppose, but then again nobody is complaining that technics haven't come out with some new 1200 that has midi output either.

my selling point on the cdj is very simple - i've been using the same pair for 5 years. i spin 200 mobile gigs a year, and my equipment goes everywhere with me. my cdj's have been dropped down stairs, soaked in water/soda/alcohol, have been beaten on by little kids, and they are still 100% operational. they key to that i think is the non motorized platter - there is simply less stuff to break.

i also don't want any cdj player with + and - buttons, but that's me. the new 3700 has a cool platter but i couldn't mix with the player without using those buttons. though the platter follows the same general idea as a vinyl setup due to it's size it's just a little bit too sensitive for me.

the best representation of vinyl feel in a cd setup SHOULD HAVE BEEN the numark CDX series - too bad they were riddled with problems.

Hahahaha, whats up Marc, you only own the CDJ-800's, you can't speak on this thread..LOL

I will never switch to Pio until something new comes out OR they drop the price. $1400 for a basic cd player with no features that's at least 2 years old is insane compaired to the type of technology that is out today. Denon hit it right on the head with the 3700.
I only made this thread for new users that are on the fence, maybe they can get some some good info from this thread and good opinions from people who own the 3700 or the 1000 or both for that matter. I am in huge favor of the 3700 as you of all people know, we talk to each other more then we talk to our wives, LOL

Brichi you're right I only own the cdj800 I dont like those big 1000 thats means I need a bigger coffin and thats out of the questions....
My pio cdj are sick and you even know it.
I've been using the same pair for 5 years. i spin 200 plus mobile gigs (cause im a dj company whore)a year, and my equipment goes everywhere with me. my cdj's have been dropped down stairs, soaked in water/soda/alcohol and been repaired 3 times already.... now you know denon cant beat that Pio they got the record for most players in the shop award...... Wooo Hooooo....
everyone should go back to 1200"s and young dj's should learn the ropes in buying music and spinning on vinyl.
brichi you are a fossil like me dust the covers off put the needle on the record and lets battle..........lol just kidding........
ps rumor has it pio is coming out with pio cdj's 3750's........ coming with native support and a hot blond.....

LOL,,,,, Wait till I see Danielle later, I am telling her you spent more money on equipment without her permission, she will slap the shit out of you

BTW: key words from your post


My denon's never needed to be repaired and I do the same amount of parties you do a year,,,, ahhhhhhhh shit

Ummmmmm dj in a box you listen to me what happenes when denon releases the denon 3777 platnium addition you are going to have to sell those to g man and get them... while i will keep my pio's and bring them into the shop again

hahahahaha. nice, Ill call ya later.


Back to the topic...

ok no more fun...... talk to u later

In terms of:

1. Reliability
2. Size
3. Weight
4. Display size
5. Number of Components (increasing chance of product failure)
6. Ease of Use
7. Simplicity of Design

The Pio's win hands down.

While the Denon has more features, that really isn't important to me. I want something I can rely on to work every time. For me, DJ equipment has to travel well, hold a good resale vale, be easy to maintain and easy to use - way before we get into personal preferences, and the infinite number of options available on electronics products at the moment.

If you were a venue owner, I doubt you'd buy a pair of these. You are comparing the 1000s, that have been out for 8 years, now in their 3rd generation and a DJ CD player industry standard, just like the 1200s, with the 3700s that have been out for 4 months.

While I fully respect those whose style means they really need the moving platter, I don't scratch and can't stand the moving platter (I owned a DZ1200 when they first came out for about 3 years), but really each to their own.

For me this comparison is no comparison, but that is just me.

other then hating the spinning platter, did you like the dz1200? i haven't had the chance to play with one yet. sorry, threadjack i know.

Nah...just my style though....

Not being able to hear the cue point wasn't a big issue at first as I came from vinyl, but as my genre at the time (psytrance) was moving heavily over to the CD format, I ended up playing on only Pioneer CDJs when I wasn't at home. I had to get used to the sort of stutter cue they have and actually found it super easy - especially on the wrists, not to have to continually hold cue points, even if it was only for 8 to 16 bars.

They also had way too much lag, but in their defence it was a brand new idea. I actually ended up swapping it for a CDJ100 and some coin. Great deal I think, the guy I sold it to knew how much I hated it, and I still wouldn't go near one with a very long stick - I'd rather DJ in internal mode with SL!

My only issue with the S3700 is that alot of denon products ive seen\used have had short lifespans before soemthing breaks or fucks up.....seems like adding a moving platter is just something else that can fuck up, i would like to see how these hold up over time with heavy use

i had dz1200's for a minute. they were the biggest let down of all time to me. i loved the size of the platter, and that it shared the same motor thats on an original 1200, but it just wasn't accurate at all. the cue 'line' would drift like crazy and the player itself sounded awful. not that it matters in the world of serato but you couldn't scratch with the master tempo on, either.

is somebody going to cut and paste this text in their post too?

Agree with ya on that, i used the DZ1200's at a club once and it was horrible.

well thanks for the input on those. guess i'll wait till the 3700's have been out for a while and pick up a pair.

the only thing I think is a main difference in performance now that I have the 3700's for a little bit is the pitch bend. I seem to be able to ride the pitch better on the 1000's for some reason.

quick question for the 3700 owners since I forgot to try this when I checked it out at guitar center.

while scratching or holding the record still, and you move the pitch slider, does the LCD reflect the new pitch value? or does the platter have to be spinning for the pitch to change on the screen?

during my short time with the 3700, I found that the scratch sound was much more realistic compared to the sound of the 5000 and 3500 that I used to own. I will still stay with my cdj1000mk3 simply because it works well for me, and I don't need the extra weight of the 3700 to lug around.

I have a pair of Denon 5000's that I bought since they first came out and they have not been to the shop yet. Maybe is luck or the way I treat my equipment.

I recently replaced them with the 3700's and I love them.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Pioneers but they are overpriced in my opinion.

The 3700's are solid.. I love mine...

There's a reason why Pioneers outnumber the Denons in the club scene. They're workhorses and take a beating. I own several Pioneer's and a Denon Dual Deck! But I have only seen the Denon's TWICE!!! That's TWICE in my whole DJ life. I played with them once and I didn't like them one bit. :(

On the other hand, I tried out the new Numark NS7 and WOW! That thing is freakin' SOLID!!! If I was to buy a new set up now, I'd probably buy that. If Numark was to sell the NS7 CD plyers individually instead of a package, they would start gaining some reputation back. The strip is amazing! Why didn't anyone ever think of that? Remember, Numark hasn't always been a low budget brand. If they get their shit together than can be competative again and DJ's would take them serious.

I think numark is most likely cleaning up in the current trend of "I wanna be a DJ" and with them making the DJ hero controller, it's a name all the new gen wavies are going to know.

Great thread, I saw it exactly when I needed it. A question to the 3700 oweners- how does it feel with SL? I have a 3500 (never used them out of home, lol), and it has a GREAT lag with SL. Them stupid a** engineers @ dennon never fixed the problem. I'd luv me a pair of 3700's. So... How they react?

About the 1000's, there's a solid info about the new mk4 coming out around october, so I've heard. No word on a spinning platter, I doubt they'll go for it.

And another thing - any word on native support for the 3700's? That should be great.

Are you using the 3500's with timecode CD's?

I tried to, but the lag is crazy. But that's not the issue, what about them 3700's? :)

Just wondering why they would be lagging with TCV's..or do the 3500's have a laggy output in general?

3500's never lagged noticeably to me and the 37's are the BOMB!!

The 3700's are very tight with SL, I do not notice any lag I use them 3-4 times a week and purchased them right when they were released so I have already put a lot of use on them. They are by far the most solid decks I have used in years. The Pio 1000's are great, I just think for the price they are not worth it anymore, very outdated players. Like K smith said above, the 3700's are the BOMB!!!!!

as far as native support, no one knows yet

Thx to forum member J.J., here are some answers on 3700 native support.

Serato has this to say concerning the DN-S3700:
• Serato was not consulted or approached during the design process of the Denon 5500 and 3700 decks.
• The 3700 / 5500 decks have no touch sensitivity.
• The 3700 / 5500 decks spit out much lower resolution data than what we would require to support them properly.
• The tricky work around will cause warbling playback or terrible sticker slip.
• Using the control signal is much tighter.
• Development work is pretty extensive - development time that could be used to improve other areas of the software.

However, Denon had this to say:

DENON = "The same hardware, resolution and performance that's used and accepted as being great in normal CD/USB mode, is the exactly the same resolution and performance that you should be able to get in MIDI mode. The platter transmits data every 1ms, which is the fastest you can go in hardware."

Another words, when using CD's, Hard Drive or a USB stick, there is no warbling playback or sticker slip. It should be technically possible to get Scratch Live to manipulate the audio just like in CD or USB mode.

Maybe Denon just pissed off Serato/Rane in how they marketed their unit and now Serato says screw it.

How do you think they pissed them off? I must have missed something in the marketing

Just guess here but if Denon used the fact that they were "Serato compatible" in an effort to sell more Denon units, when in fact they were not, or had not jumped through the Serato/Rane corporate hoops, then I can see why Serato/Rane may be a bit put off. Things like this happen in business all the time.

I have no idea what happened however, it's just a theory. Maybe the Denon unit just doesn't work, or maybe Serato just doesn't want to support it right now.

gotcha, good theory though.

I have had CDJ's 1000 MK1, 2 and 3 and CDJ's 400 and I honestly think that it is time for a change.

I've read in DJ Mag (the british one) that Pioneer was about to release new versions of the CDJ 1000 and CDj 400 this year and as usual, they are expected to be expensive. Those guys haven't read the Financial Times or the Wall Street Journal since Clinton left the White House and they don't understand that nowadays, we are taking care of our hard earned dollars.

I understand that Pioneer has now the challenge to remain as the industry leader with a product that has been tested oven and over for years. They built a cd player that is like a 1200 and if that's the spirit, they are going to come out with something very conservative, maybe a few new features but in my opinion they will keep the product simple and hassle free... like a 1200.

This thread was really helpful, I'm getting a pair of 3700 and take advantage of their price and features and have fun while it lasts.

Those are my 20 cents....

Buy them.
You won't regret it.

i own (a now broken) denon hd-2500

first it was just the player B platter that stopped working in scratch mode so i just put in bend mode. then player A platter stopped working...
called everywhere to get it fixed and the shortest turnaround time was gonna be like a month...what a joke!

no support...

i wont buy a denon product again

I have 2 3700s and a TTM57SL...I first started on 800s but these 3700s blow pioneers out of the water. We all do know that Pioneer will never bow down. I bought the Denons beacuse they do what I need them to do and the price is right

Hello:

I own/bought the TTM57sl (rocks) and 2 x Denon3700. I cannot seem to scratch on the Deonons. I know on the Pio 1000MK3's I can do a back-spin - no problem using Serato. When I tried to do a back-spin on one Denon 3700 - nothing happened.

Is there something I am doing wrong. I do not want to return them unless I have to. If I do return them CDJ900 is the next purchase.

It's because the MK3's have vinyl mode. Does Denon have that option?

yes, make sure at the bottom right of the player you hit the platter mode button to your desired use, there is bend mode so the platter only acts as a pitch bend and then classic vinyl which makes the 3700 act as a normal TT, Allowing you to scratch

My MK3s are like 3 years old, and the only thing that is kinda off on them is the stop/start buttons. They don't really click anymore, although they are normally functioning. I'm going to take them in for an overhaul sometime soon to keep them running smoothly. I've owned MK1's, 2's, and 3's. I'm a big fan of Pioneer DJ products.

I just replaced the "click" buttons on the board on my mk2's, If you can solder, it's an easy job and only cost me $25 for the 4 buttons. You just need 4 of these cgi.ebay.com

I'm not that confident in myself, but good looking out man! :-)

no problem

Vjmarcus also make sure that your platter spin lever is switched to both on your 3700s...it happened to me at gig and wondering why i couldn't scratch. I accidentally bump it sometimes.

Yes! That was the problem. I thought that button was the "direction" button. Once I hit the both directions - all was good! So far these players are great. I would like to know how some of you have mapped it to Serato. I tried to do it - but the timecode CD playback and the TTM57 mixer makes it easy to use.

I have the Denon 5500, Pioneer 800 MKI and I have 1200 MK5 but I must say I enjoy djing more on my Denon 5500. When I go DJ @ BWX-www.bwxlounge.com and I don't want to carry both units, I can just carry one unit and it turns into two cd players in one, no other unit out there does this that I have used. Incase one of my units does go down, I can just take one with me and never miss a beat. I first brought the Denon 3700 and it is top notch, while I was awaiting for Guitar Center to get in the other unit I ordered, I found a great deal on (2) Brand New Denon 5500 and I saved money and that was the only reason why I took the 3700 back, the feel is just like the 1200 MK5 or closest to it for me.
Lately I have been looking to upgrade or have another set of CDJ, so I have played with NuMark NS7 and I loved the way the unit felt but I wanted to do my research before I spent the money on a all in one unit. My thought was, what if something goes wrong?, the whole unit has to be sent back and then I read all the stories regarding, popping sound, unit stopped working, recalls and sent back units taking weeks to return and then not receiving the same unit, so I passed on that idea.
Now I am full circle looking at the denon 3700 or the pioneer 900 or 2000, which the pioneers are so high in price. They have added the new tricks that are already on the Denon, which Denon has made Pioneer step up their game. I want to know if the 900 or 2000 have spinning platters if not, I will choose the Denon 3700 and save atleast $500.00 on the pair. I truly believe Pioneer has stepped up but if they didn't add the spinning platter, Denon still has the upper hand but people are like sheep. "We follow where the line is going and knowing you are about to be butchered in the process."
Why else do we pay more for a product knowing there is something better out there for less money?

Is this a website promo, or a Denon product announcement? Not quite sure.

I was just giving my insight on the topic at hand, since I am now in the market to buying new cdj and I have own and used or tested the items that was apart of this discussion

I bought 2 dn-s3700's last nigth and set them up, what pristine units!!

I was able to play songs from SSL after using timecode CD however I was not able to use the hot cue 1-3, is there something I was missing?

Can someone please help, I would like to be able to set-up 3700's so I can use the cue points, loops etc...

thank you,

Prashant

Put ssl in ABS mode and make sure your input in ssl is set to LINE not PHONO.

U using the sl1, sl3 or 57 mixer for Serato?

yeah using SL3, once I put in ABS mode I can set cue points using DN-S3700 however I cant use 3700 to use hot cues I have already set in serato.... thats no bueno...

I am trying to set it as midi now...

ohhhhhhhhh, u cant do that in ABS mode,

The only way you can use them that way is in REL mode and you have to map the buttons through midi with the usb cables connected obviously

wait, I have to correct myself, I was thinking clearly when I wrote that.

you cannot do this AND control the platter, once in midi mode on the 3700 you lose platter control cause it cannot be properly mapped until they have native support (if that ever happens).

was=wasn't :)

I guess you're not familiar with instand doubles cuz you can do this with any other deck, even tt's, and ssl...

If you read the contents of what I said, you can carry one unit and it turns into two cd players in one. In that statement I was referring to the Denon 5500 turning into (2) decks and no other CD player out there that I have used has the feature. I don't take my Serato unit with me, I can plug my hard drive directly into the Denon 5500 and have two decks at my finger tips, able to mix or scratch as if I am still using Serato.

So the statement that I said, "No other Unit out there does this that I have used". Still stands on it's own, and yes I have used instand doubles on Serato and that has nothing to do with the CD Player, which what I was directly talking about.

Also I have been doing alot of research on the CDJ 2000 and I am going to buy them, which Pioneer has clearly put alot of updates into the unit. I like that fact that the Timecodes are stored into the unit from different software and that is less items to carry for a party.

....easy there killer....I was just making a statement myself for those who might not know....you go on and get yourself those 2000's now.....then relax with a cup of hot coco....

I would also like to add, In my above statement. If I dont take my Serato unit with me and I leave my Mac Book at home, I can still have two cd decks at my finger tips, for those that are doing a small party for friends or family and went to travel light.

I didn't take offence to your statement, I just thought if I was not clear, I gave more detail of what I wanted to say.

ok brutha, all good.

BriChi: Are you still using the S3700s? Or did you decide to switch over to the CDJ-2000s?

Having played with the S3700 in the shop, the platter is nice, but the rest of the unit just feels really flimsy in build quality to me. Granted, the CDJ-2000 is very plasticy as well, considering its price.

When I was hemming and hawing between the CDJ-2000 and the S3700, the thing that put me over to the CDJ-2000 is the file format support. No AAC on the S3700 is pretty crippling for me, as all the CDs I've personally ripped have been to 320k AAC. I have better things to do with my time than re-rip all my CDs to MP3. And no AIFF on the S3700 is a bummer, too.

The Denon 3700's don't feel flimsy. Flimsy is when something feels cheap. As for file formats. Most djs have their decks hooked up to the laptop. Its very few using a HD thru the usb port or CD's. I Owned a CDJ 1000mk3 and it was great in performance but i preffer the 3700's Jog wheels. The Decks feels solid but in not too crazy about the rubber buttons.

I switched to the 2000's and love them, I used the 3700's for a while but they were buggy (pretty muched fixed now over a year later) so I sold them and bought the CDJ's, The only other complaint I have about the 3700 (and other denon decks) is the rubber buttons, I hatethem also, I prefer the cdj feel over the 3700. The spinning platter was nice though.

Bought a set of Denon 3700's recently,but had to take them back to the shop for a recheck cause the the pitch was all over the place,is it me or has anyone else experienced the same problem,i mean i couldn't ride 2 songs together and i've been djing for over 15years mostly on 1200s and pioneer cdjs....

That's one thing I hated about them, using the buttons to pitch bend was a pain in the ass

I personally have not had a problem with pitch blend...

does some body out there no how to use the sample on the denon 3700 while hook up to a mac use in serato scratch

what sample? you mean the abc hot starts?

Its been impossible to find a good DJ on youtube that really shows how to rock the Denon's. Finally Flipside steps in-

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^^Wow sickness on the 3700...massive ambidextrous scratching skills, too!

Gotta step my 3700 game up....

Let's see if anybody's still here and if this tread can jump up...

What up ya'll?

I have a pair of the 3700's for a while now. I'm wondering - did anybody noticed the platters get kinda "loose" with the time? like the "resistance" for the scratch is a bit ligher?

If somebody did - is it possible to solve it?

DJ JuVi

You could try to loosen or tighten the screws in the middle of the platter. You can also make your own slip mat.

www.denondjforums.com

www.denondjforums.com

Not to start a war of words but....... I have TSP/VDJ and SOON SSL. When the new Pio gear mapped to Traktor comes out is everybody gonna jump ship to Denon? Stop being so ridiculous and use what's best for YOU. I like it when company go at each others thoats because it give US more options. In the States SSL is top dog. EVERYWHERE else Traktor is king. Pioneer is already intergrating rekordbox into TSP2. Will you stop using Pio gear because of this? That would be stupid. I am getting a SL2 and an @ssload of control vinyl (the sicwax camo), I want to be prepared for anything, anywhere. Ya' dig? I can't fuck with cdj's WITHOUT moving platters, that's just me. Wouldn't it just be easier to use a NS6 with SSL and TT's? SSL adding ASIO is the start of NOT being locked to specific hardware. Can we just enjoy this without being fanboys? Please?
P.S. Is everyone STILL mad at Jazzy Jeff for getting PAID to demo TSP2 FOR Pioneer, even though he STILL uses SSL when he gigs?

Hi J.J

Thanks for the help. What you, and everybody else on the Denon forum, are saying, is that the problem is not with the 3700's machine itself, it's just a matter of the mat & vinyl. That's interesting and I gotta look into it. At first I thought that something in the machinery warn itself out, but now u gave me some another view of things.

Thanks!
J

My partner has the 3700's and I have CDJ's. My only impression on the 3700's are the pitch bend. Either way, they are both nice and I am in the market to add the 3700's to my system along with my 1200's and my CDJ's. Hell, I can spin on any of the setups and be happy.