Render Quality: Best
Frame Size:NTSC Sqaure Pixel (640x480)
Profile:Main
Frame Rate:29.920(NTSC)
Field Order:None
Pixel Aspect Ratio:1.0000
# of reference frames: 2
Use deblocking filter Checked
Variable bit rate checked
-Maximum(bps):2,000,000
Avarage(bps)512,000

that is the problem...

it is averaging 512kbs

I would suggest:
max:4000 or so
avg: 2500 or 3000

Also checked:
Stretch video to fill output frame zie

not checked:
Allow source to adjust frame size
Allow source to adjust frame rate
constant bit rate
Two-Pass

looks like AL needs to prepare his Vegas tutorial for the next sessions :-)

oh I will !

Phat-Al what is the best way to bring a video in to vegas for the least amount of loss. VOB or convert it to another fourm to use in Vegas? I hope you understand what I am saying.

I wouldn't convert anything more than it needs to be.
VOB is fine...
just rename the ".VOB" to ".mpg" and it works fine to import.

If you convert.. you will lose quality right off the bat.

Last question then if I wanted to add an accapella to a vob is there a way to do it without encoding the video but add the audio? Sorry Djnut this is not an attempt to jack your tread I just want to know....

if you want to JUST replace the existing audio and put in an accapella then that requires some steps.

Demuxing the VOB

once you have them separated then you import the audio into a wave editing software like Sound Forge. And it gets complicated... you then import your accapella into Sound Forge as well. You have to compare the two files. Make sure that the lengths are identical, make sure the accapella starts when the original audio does, etc.. add or subtrack space around the acappella then save it as an MP2 audio. then you remux them and it should be right on.

I have NEVER done it... but in theory that is what I would do...

or instead of Sound Forge you can import the VOB and acappella into Vegas and line it up there... mute the original audio and save the acapella as it is now lined up perfect. Then do the demux, remux thing.

i have a simpler way. open the vob in mpegstreamclip. demux to m2v and aiff. make sure your new audio file is timed just like the aiff you just demuxed (audacity, soundforge, acid, garage band, logic, any audio editor will do). save the new audio file. mux it with the video file from step one.

easy peezy japaneesy - no quality loss, no video re-encode.

Why do you have to rename? Can't you just drop the files in as .vobs?

What I have been doing is kinda what Phat said but not demux. I bring vob in and then mute orginal sound line up acapella then convert to mp4 after the conversions I see kinda a blurry blocky look not as clear. I assumed that when I converted it the loss was due to it being converted to mp4... Tell me if I am wrong but if I am editing vob and audio and convert it to MP4 I am not lossing anymore lost even if I demuxed becasue I still have to convert it to MP4. Meaning do I even have to waste my time demuxing it becasue in the end I will convert it to mp4.....I just become sad when Phat and Swift stuff look flawless,,,just as good as vob. Now im not saying im u guys but damnnnn it would be nice to push out a clean video...Anyway thanks for you help I will in fact try both of these to see if I get the results I need.

well, your method is fine to create an mp4 but if you want to create a lossless vob (mpg), then you will need to use a method to remux the file.

because windows uses the file extension (not the FOURCC) to determine what decoder to use on the file. most windows install with a dvd decoder installed will use a dvd decoder to decode .VOB files, but use a generic MPEG2 decoder to decode a file with an extension of .mpg.

i have no idea what scheme vegas uses to decide what decoder to use for a file but believe me that what i said is true.

windows uses file extensions to determine which application (decoder) to use for a file.

Dont smack me as I did get to the class(hint hint duhhhh ,,,take your time) but what would be a good reason to use a lossless vob... As SLV does not play them as of yet what would you do with them...Video wise..

To create a DVD for distribution
To send to a video remix servive for distribution
To keep a high quality archive in case you get a better computer and decide to reencode to mp4 at a higher bitrate
For when VSL supports VOB and you decide to go that way
To have a high quality format in case you decide to re-encode to flash or some other format.
In case you decide to re-edit the audio (like add a version with accpella out), and not re-encode.

I could go on for days. All of these cases apply to me.

LOL if am sure you could go on,,,,,,thanks Swift and AL it's nice to have two of the best helping us poor folks....

Oh I is poor too!

your welcome...

now back to the street corner with my sign:

"Will Video DJ for food!"

PNUT - you are probably rendering just a region, right before its about to render where you put the file name and shit, there is a box that is checked, "render loop region only" make sure that is unchecked.

i say we take it to the webex!

YES !

i'm in.

Swift thanks for the mpegstreamclip idea, that has saved me tons of time already since i read it on here. Quick question though concerning frame rates. If the Original VOB or mpg is at say 25fps, do you always convert it to say 29.97fps or do you leave it as is. Thanks

As a rule, don't convert anything that doesn't need converting. Is it's 25fps, leave it at 25fps. Changes in any aspect of the video causes unrecoverable losses.

Vegas webex...when?

phat al is leading the next session!

umm... gotta get through the wedding first... too busy to even edit video right now. My wedding is April 11th.

Congrats...I think.

j/k

In Texas we don't say Wedding we say Funeral,,, Cause the old you is no more!!!!!!! No more just me, it will now be we....... My dad said "son some men run their house and some run around it. Phat-Al Run that shit....because I would hate to be driving by and see you running around a house looking in the windows... Congrat's and enjoy.....

A-Swift what is the best uncompressed output of vegas to use?

I'm talking about editing a vob video and/or audio, then outputting uncompressed, then compressing in mediacoder

I've read going to DV at all before compressing to mp4 is bad.

How can I stay in the same realm as the VOBs format, uncompressed MPeg2?

I think I tried that but it also took forever to render.

Currently rendering to uncompressed AVI NTSC DV, which is FAST.


Not sure, it looks decent at the club,

But again if I can make it better.... or do it with as little converting as possible

Thanks !

Also checked:
Stretch video to fill output frame <---im using vegas 8.x 64 bit and this option is not in my template. are you using vegas 7?

ha ha never mind...grey goose got me loose :|

All,

What version of sony vegas are you using. Thinking about buying and saw there were 4 different versions of the program. Need some help!

with these settings, im still gettin a Lil bit of interlacing...like for instance, in the keri hilson turnin me on video where the background is white and keri and her girls shirts are black, im gettin some interlacing there. i ripped the video straight from a po disc vob and loaded the vob. (using the settings above) except max is 4,500,000 and avg 3,000,000. maybe it has to do with the properties settings of the actual file?

what do u guys have the properties @.

what mine are @ right now..


Templete custom 640 x 480, 29.970 fps)..
width 640 field order none
height 480 pixel aspect ratio 0.9091 (ntsc dv)
output rotation O original
frame rate 29.970 (ntsc)

pixel format 32 bit floating point
compositing gamma 1.0 linear
full resoluiton render quality best
motion blur type gaussian
deinterlace method none

i don't use vegas so i'm not sure exactly how the option is labled. there has to be some sort of uncompress AVI setting. Al or Twizzle should pipe up and let us know.

don't use MPEG2, all MPEG2 will be compressed even at high bitrates.