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Pitch N Time DJ plugin driving software gain into the red

Product
Serato DJ Pro
Version
1.6.0
Hardware
Novation TWITCH
Computer
Mac
OS
Platform
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ODDreDEALER 5:28 PM - 20 February, 2014
Watch the DJ TechTools video from NAMM.(Watchwww.youtube.com) Look at the track gain at 1:37-2:01. Then, same Outkast song with PnT enabled 2:07-2:57 gain is now in the red. I have recently added the plugin and I am seeing this same issue. Asked around on the Serato Forum and so far found two other users as well. "acemc" on a DDJ-SX and "young3" on a Rane 62.
acemc 11:41 PM - 20 February, 2014
I agree, PnT is adding to the overall gain of our tracks, pushing them into the red.
For now I will leave PnT disabled so as not to have any distortion, I'll rather just enable it whenever I feel I need to. But obviously this needs to be fixed.
ODDreDEALER 7:00 PM - 21 February, 2014
I have a gig tomorrow night and with the tracks lighting up a little hot now, wondering if it will effect the sound and CPU load. I mixed for a half hour and pushed each track about +/-8% with keylock on... or I guess what used to be keylock... (Should I call this button something different now?) Lets just say Pitch n Time was enabled in setup menu and I pushed the keylock button on my controller making that new chain symbol light up white and blue!?!
Anyway, I actually didn't hear any problems (digital clipping.) I did see a few red bars in the "Track Output Level Meter" but never really effected master volume or engaged the "limiter light" like I thought it would. I was surprised I didn't hear much of an audible difference. Just a little less aggressive over all sound but I would expect some change with such a heavy effect/algorithm as PnT... Apparently the way I already had my gains set up, left that bit of head room now needed? I don't think I will see much of a problem live.
Sound quality wise, It's far more useful than the old keylock. I guess even if there is some digital distortion it still somehow sounds better... At least this is my prediction for tomorrows gig. Massive club volume bass can change everything ; ) I will report back how it really plays out live!
Bottom line right now; if this was a free keylock upgrade I would probably just live with it and not use it much but now that this is a paid for extra, I would like to see this hammered out like I purchased a defective product.
Also wondering how this is not a widespread topic... Are we doing something different here or did nobody purchase the Pitch N Time DJ expansion?
ODDreDEALER 9:11 PM - 23 February, 2014
Here's my report on how it plays out live:
Allot of fiddling around with the cursor but I had a ok experience with it and the sound quality was not noticeably effected. I guess it just shows how desperate I was for a decent Key Lock (that I would look pass all this and still somehow like it.)
It's like purchasing a remote for your tv that doesn't work well. It still beats getting up and changing the channel at the tv but you wonder, what did I really buy here? ; )
Serato, Support
Matt P 6:52 PM - 27 February, 2014
Hi ODDreDEALER, acemc,

I've been able to reproduce the track going into the red here as well, with PnTDJ enabled vs not enabled.

Quote:
Anyway, I actually didn't hear any problems (digital clipping.) I did see a few red bars in the "Track Output Level Meter" but never really effected master volume or engaged the "limiter light" like I thought it would. I was surprised I didn't hear much of an audible difference. Just a little less aggressive over all sound but I would expect some change with such a heavy effect/algorithm as PnT... Apparently the way I already had my gains set up, left that bit of head room now needed? I don't think I will see much of a problem live.


I've yet to notice the audible break up myself. Either way I'm going to make the a bug to be fixed and log it.

Regards

Matt P
ODDreDEALER 12:03 AM - 28 February, 2014
Thanks Matt P!