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Things I (personally) would like to see fixed in Serato DJ
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Things I (personally) would like to see fixed in Serato DJ

DJ Demolition
6:22 AM - 11 February, 2014
#1 Need my Instant Start back for the Numark V7s. NS7 guys are probably having the same issue.
#2 Need my Vertical Waveform view back, as in itch. The VW view in DJ is useless to me. I need to see my cues coming for more than two beats in advance. If that's too much trouble, then at least give us the option of reversing the flow of the horizontal waveforms.
In my view, as they are now, they are dyslexic and illogical, IE: you push the record forward, and the waveform moves backward -- you push the right pitch-bend button and the waveform moves to the left, and vice-versa. VDJ already has this option, BTW...
#3 The static waveforms are too thin to allow anyone to see the track details. They were barely wide enough in Itch, but these are pencil thin, and need to be fattened up. Also, the cue markers should have their tips resting on the center of the track-line. In some views they are completely lapped over the entire waveform.
#4 Lot's of wasted space in full-screen view. How about making practical use of that area, by allowing us to see all the cues, loops, etc. at once, instead of making us constantly click on different buttons and scroll bars. I'll be glad to post screenshots to illustrate my point, if that will help.
#5 I'd like to suggest an entirely different GUI layout than what has previously been offered to us by Serato. Have any of your people taken a good look at Torq II? They have a lot of unnecessary knobs, faders, etc., on screen, and I'm not fond of their color scheme. But, the layout is perfect, and perfectly logical, also. Two, or four vertical virtual decks, representing your corresponding controller decks in the same positions and order, with the live vertical waveforms in the center.
If had had a Serato interface similar to that to work with, I'd be very satisfied. As long as I could still see at least a half-dozen library files below, that would be great. The interface could have the rest of my screen. I could always hit the space-bar if I need to see more of the library.
#6 Look, I know you people are in business to make money. I don't have any problem with that, and don't mind at all paying for something I can use, especially if I like the folks I'm dealing with. On the other hand, if you ignore me, put me off, and try to force me into a substandard product, then I'll take my business elsewhere. I'm sure that the majority of your customers feel the same way.
What I'm saying is that I'd like to spend some money on some of those ad-ons you are constantly trying to sell us.., but there's no point in me doing that, until you get the basic functions of the software right, which means I'm still stuck with Itch, at this point
#7 I realize that your partner Pioneer has their new SP-1 offering out there to help us owners of older hardware make the transition into the new features of SDJ. However, for many of us, I think the Novation Twitch may be a better and more practical option. I know that the Twitch will work in an unsupported fashion together with Itch and certain other controllers, including mine. Either way we go, we are buying a product bundled with your software. If it is not already supported as a supplemental controller in SDJ, I would like to suggest that you consider making it so.
#2 Need my Vertical Waveform view back, as in itch. The VW view in DJ is useless to me. I need to see my cues coming for more than two beats in advance. If that's too much trouble, then at least give us the option of reversing the flow of the horizontal waveforms.
In my view, as they are now, they are dyslexic and illogical, IE: you push the record forward, and the waveform moves backward -- you push the right pitch-bend button and the waveform moves to the left, and vice-versa. VDJ already has this option, BTW...
#3 The static waveforms are too thin to allow anyone to see the track details. They were barely wide enough in Itch, but these are pencil thin, and need to be fattened up. Also, the cue markers should have their tips resting on the center of the track-line. In some views they are completely lapped over the entire waveform.
#4 Lot's of wasted space in full-screen view. How about making practical use of that area, by allowing us to see all the cues, loops, etc. at once, instead of making us constantly click on different buttons and scroll bars. I'll be glad to post screenshots to illustrate my point, if that will help.
#5 I'd like to suggest an entirely different GUI layout than what has previously been offered to us by Serato. Have any of your people taken a good look at Torq II? They have a lot of unnecessary knobs, faders, etc., on screen, and I'm not fond of their color scheme. But, the layout is perfect, and perfectly logical, also. Two, or four vertical virtual decks, representing your corresponding controller decks in the same positions and order, with the live vertical waveforms in the center.
If had had a Serato interface similar to that to work with, I'd be very satisfied. As long as I could still see at least a half-dozen library files below, that would be great. The interface could have the rest of my screen. I could always hit the space-bar if I need to see more of the library.
#6 Look, I know you people are in business to make money. I don't have any problem with that, and don't mind at all paying for something I can use, especially if I like the folks I'm dealing with. On the other hand, if you ignore me, put me off, and try to force me into a substandard product, then I'll take my business elsewhere. I'm sure that the majority of your customers feel the same way.
What I'm saying is that I'd like to spend some money on some of those ad-ons you are constantly trying to sell us.., but there's no point in me doing that, until you get the basic functions of the software right, which means I'm still stuck with Itch, at this point
#7 I realize that your partner Pioneer has their new SP-1 offering out there to help us owners of older hardware make the transition into the new features of SDJ. However, for many of us, I think the Novation Twitch may be a better and more practical option. I know that the Twitch will work in an unsupported fashion together with Itch and certain other controllers, including mine. Either way we go, we are buying a product bundled with your software. If it is not already supported as a supplemental controller in SDJ, I would like to suggest that you consider making it so.

Sounds By JB
7:59 AM - 11 February, 2014
+1 for this point!
Would be interesting cause in four deck mode I'm just loosing too much landscape (though the new stacked mode might offer a solution).
As now ex VDJ user that has been pretty active in their support forums for a couple of years I can only say that for the past months it has been like the Chinese have taken over. Post like these would be removed or edited. Positive posts will be hyped, their topics changed to commercial slogans. Never seen such a rude behavior towards your paying customers. At least Serato is a company with a sustainable vision that, for now, seems to listen to their users (of course never in the pace we want them to :P) and at least lets them publicly speak their minds.
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#1 Need my Instant Start back for the Numark V7s. NS7 guys are probably having the same issue+1 for this point!
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#4 Lot's of wasted space in full-screen view. How about making practical use of that area, by allowing us to see all the cues, loops, etc. at once, instead of making us constantly click on different buttons and scroll bars. I'll be glad to post screenshots to illustrate my point, if that will help.Would be interesting cause in four deck mode I'm just loosing too much landscape (though the new stacked mode might offer a solution).
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VDJ already has this option, BTW...As now ex VDJ user that has been pretty active in their support forums for a couple of years I can only say that for the past months it has been like the Chinese have taken over. Post like these would be removed or edited. Positive posts will be hyped, their topics changed to commercial slogans. Never seen such a rude behavior towards your paying customers. At least Serato is a company with a sustainable vision that, for now, seems to listen to their users (of course never in the pace we want them to :P) and at least lets them publicly speak their minds.

DJ Demolition
7:04 PM - 12 February, 2014
As now ex VDJ user that has been pretty active in their support forums for a couple of years I can only say that for the past months it has been like the Chinese have taken over. Post like these would be removed or edited. Positive posts will be hyped, their topics changed to commercial slogans. Never seen such a rude behavior towards your paying customers. At least Serato is a company with a sustainable vision that, for now, seems to listen to their users (of course never in the pace we want them to :P) and at least lets them publicly speak their minds.
Their attitude toward customers is why I abandoned them for Serato. I was sick of it six years ago. I have no idea what's going on over there now, but what you say doesn't surprise me.
I'm not that happy with Serato either at this point, but it's definitely the lesser of two evils. My attitude has always been: look.. this is business. I'll pay whatever I have to within reason... Just stop with the hype and games. Give me what I need.
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As now ex VDJ user that has been pretty active in their support forums for a couple of years I can only say that for the past months it has been like the Chinese have taken over. Post like these would be removed or edited. Positive posts will be hyped, their topics changed to commercial slogans. Never seen such a rude behavior towards your paying customers. At least Serato is a company with a sustainable vision that, for now, seems to listen to their users (of course never in the pace we want them to :P) and at least lets them publicly speak their minds.
Their attitude toward customers is why I abandoned them for Serato. I was sick of it six years ago. I have no idea what's going on over there now, but what you say doesn't surprise me.
I'm not that happy with Serato either at this point, but it's definitely the lesser of two evils. My attitude has always been: look.. this is business. I'll pay whatever I have to within reason... Just stop with the hype and games. Give me what I need.

Kevin aka DJ Climax
7:16 PM - 12 February, 2014
I would like to add to this by asking:
Can you add a way to block going into Absolute mode when using Turntables or CDJ.
Can you add a way to block going into Absolute mode when using Turntables or CDJ.

DJ Demolition
9:39 PM - 22 February, 2014
#5 I'd like to suggest an entirely different GUI layout than what has previously been offered to us by Serato. Have any of your people taken a good look at Torq II? They have two, or four vertical virtual decks, representing your corresponding controller decks in the same positions and order, with the live vertical waveforms in the center..
Correction; the live waveforms are not vertical in Torq. However, if I could design it my way, they would be.
Maybe no one else has this problem, but for me, it's hard to correlate left to upper - down to lower, etc... Put everything in the right position and order, and there'll be no more need for different deck colors, etc...
#8 Something else I'd like to see changed/improved, is the cue-point indicators in Serato software. Maybe if you only have three or four cue-point settings available, colors would be an adequate indication of which one is which in relation to the cue buttons themselves. However, when you have as many as eight now to keep up with, it is no longer a viable option. Please consider numbered flags, as in Traktor. That is a much better system.
#9 I understand that the spinning hand on the numberless clock-face in Serato represents the speed and position of the (virtual) revolving record. However, the speed and position of the record itself means very little to me. I can already see my records turning.
It would be much more relevant, if it represented a new musical bar, everytime it passed the twelve o'clock position. You already have it resetting to that point when it passes a new cue-point, so it shouldn't be that difficult to program in the option of depicting a 'one sweep for every 4 beats' scenario. I.E. twelve o'clock on every new downbeat. It already approaches this exact alignment at around 130 BPM. On tracks without a beatgrid, it could just default back to depicting RPM, as it already does currently.
I realize some people would undoubtedly prefer it the old way, and that you already have the little 1-2-3-4 successional blinking blue blocks, but this is a much simpler more elegant solution, and personally, I would be able to much better utilize the second option. So, if if you could make it just that; "optional", I would consider that a welcome improvement.
#10 While I am on this subject; the feature of the sweep hand changing colors to indicate the approach and passing of cue-points, is novel, but completely unusable for me... Please consider an option similar to what Pioneer has provided in the deck windows on their new SZ controller. This is a much better and more usable indicator.
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#5 I'd like to suggest an entirely different GUI layout than what has previously been offered to us by Serato. Have any of your people taken a good look at Torq II? They have two, or four vertical virtual decks, representing your corresponding controller decks in the same positions and order, with the live vertical waveforms in the center..
Correction; the live waveforms are not vertical in Torq. However, if I could design it my way, they would be.
Maybe no one else has this problem, but for me, it's hard to correlate left to upper - down to lower, etc... Put everything in the right position and order, and there'll be no more need for different deck colors, etc...
#8 Something else I'd like to see changed/improved, is the cue-point indicators in Serato software. Maybe if you only have three or four cue-point settings available, colors would be an adequate indication of which one is which in relation to the cue buttons themselves. However, when you have as many as eight now to keep up with, it is no longer a viable option. Please consider numbered flags, as in Traktor. That is a much better system.
#9 I understand that the spinning hand on the numberless clock-face in Serato represents the speed and position of the (virtual) revolving record. However, the speed and position of the record itself means very little to me. I can already see my records turning.
It would be much more relevant, if it represented a new musical bar, everytime it passed the twelve o'clock position. You already have it resetting to that point when it passes a new cue-point, so it shouldn't be that difficult to program in the option of depicting a 'one sweep for every 4 beats' scenario. I.E. twelve o'clock on every new downbeat. It already approaches this exact alignment at around 130 BPM. On tracks without a beatgrid, it could just default back to depicting RPM, as it already does currently.
I realize some people would undoubtedly prefer it the old way, and that you already have the little 1-2-3-4 successional blinking blue blocks, but this is a much simpler more elegant solution, and personally, I would be able to much better utilize the second option. So, if if you could make it just that; "optional", I would consider that a welcome improvement.
#10 While I am on this subject; the feature of the sweep hand changing colors to indicate the approach and passing of cue-points, is novel, but completely unusable for me... Please consider an option similar to what Pioneer has provided in the deck windows on their new SZ controller. This is a much better and more usable indicator.

DJ Demolition
5:25 PM - 23 February, 2014
Thanks buddy, I know what you mean, but I don't see it as clever, just practical.
As far as I know, I have a copy of every software ever published for this purpose. I have used them all, and I see their comparative strengths and weaknesses. Then too, if you deal with something long enough, you will begin to be bothered by inadequacies, and ideas for improvement will come to mind naturally.
I know what I need/want to do, and if the software is holding me back, well, since I can't write my own, all I can do is offer my suggestions.
The hardware available to us is just as bad. All Numark and pioneer are doing with their latest flagship offerings, is basically copying the Novation Twitch layout. There's no genius there. Pioneer doesn't even include the so called "BPM Meter" on their controllers, and that's a real shame because it is so very useful.
Stanton almost got it right when they designed to SCS1 system, but they dropped the ball on the manufacturing end of the equation. They won't stay together long enough to depend on for professional use. (I own just about every controller worth mentioning also)
I have a much better design in mind, but it's not practical for me to invest the kind of time and money required to build it for myself, and I've found it to be a complete and total waste of time to try to get the manufacturers to listen to any ideas for improvement.
It's an awkward position we are in, but I reckon we just have to deal with it.
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That is indeed some clever stuff you are suggesting!Thanks buddy, I know what you mean, but I don't see it as clever, just practical.
As far as I know, I have a copy of every software ever published for this purpose. I have used them all, and I see their comparative strengths and weaknesses. Then too, if you deal with something long enough, you will begin to be bothered by inadequacies, and ideas for improvement will come to mind naturally.
I know what I need/want to do, and if the software is holding me back, well, since I can't write my own, all I can do is offer my suggestions.
The hardware available to us is just as bad. All Numark and pioneer are doing with their latest flagship offerings, is basically copying the Novation Twitch layout. There's no genius there. Pioneer doesn't even include the so called "BPM Meter" on their controllers, and that's a real shame because it is so very useful.
Stanton almost got it right when they designed to SCS1 system, but they dropped the ball on the manufacturing end of the equation. They won't stay together long enough to depend on for professional use. (I own just about every controller worth mentioning also)
I have a much better design in mind, but it's not practical for me to invest the kind of time and money required to build it for myself, and I've found it to be a complete and total waste of time to try to get the manufacturers to listen to any ideas for improvement.
It's an awkward position we are in, but I reckon we just have to deal with it.

DJ Demolition
2:20 AM - 28 February, 2014
#11 - I guess this would only work on V7s, but It should be easy to implement, and (I think) a neat feature.
The little up/down arrows that light up red, supposedly to show the changeover DJ which way to move the speed pot are completely going to waste. They never come on unless a player has been turned off or unplugged, and I doubt that they have ever been used for their designed purpose.
Why not have them work in conjunction with the "BPM Meter" to indicate which way the pitch needs to be moved to match BPMs, full time. That way we have two (or four) more pretty lights to look at, and one thing less to think about. What do you say..?
The little up/down arrows that light up red, supposedly to show the changeover DJ which way to move the speed pot are completely going to waste. They never come on unless a player has been turned off or unplugged, and I doubt that they have ever been used for their designed purpose.
Why not have them work in conjunction with the "BPM Meter" to indicate which way the pitch needs to be moved to match BPMs, full time. That way we have two (or four) more pretty lights to look at, and one thing less to think about. What do you say..?

DJ Demolition
2:49 AM - 17 March, 2014
#12 - The "TAP" button on my V7s is pretty much useless as intended. I'd like to see an option in setup that would (when checked) allow the TAP button to be held down to provide access to the other three (of eight) hotcues, via the first three cue buttons.

The Despicable Nyan Cat
11:34 PM - 6 April, 2014
For your instant start, hold down the shift button (cue point delete button on the NS7) and press play. The Virtual deck starts playing from the temporary cue point regardless of weather the current position is on the cue point. Also, you can hold down a cue point button to start playing, and hold it down while you press play.

DJ Demolition
2:18 AM - 7 April, 2014
Okay, thanks for the tip, Inversion. I was not aware of the first method you mentioned, although I did know the second workaround, and had mentioned it in some of my other posts here.
It's nice to know I can do that if necessary, but I expect that issue to be dealt with properly, by the time the next version is released. What is bothering me many times more, is the GUI features of SDJ vs Itch. SSL users may be comfortable with the SDJ layout since they have been working with something similar all along. To me however, the only good thing about this new interface when compared to Itch, is the important information available in the clock face, and even the clock itself can be improved upon, as I have mentioned here previously.
The main thing that stops me from using SDJ, and forces me to remain with Itch, is (as I've mentioned earlier here in this post), the lack of a practical and useable vertical waveform view.
BTW.., I noticed something else interesting when I was testing out your information. In SDJ, when you press the DELETE button on (either) one (V7) player, you are able to delete cues on both players... either on purpose, or accidentally. I think I liked the way it was set up in Itch, better.
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For your instant start, hold down the shift button (cue point delete button on the NS7) and press play. The Virtual deck starts playing from the temporary cue point regardless of weather the current position is on the cue point. Also, you can hold down a cue point button to start playing, and hold it down while you press play.Okay, thanks for the tip, Inversion. I was not aware of the first method you mentioned, although I did know the second workaround, and had mentioned it in some of my other posts here.
It's nice to know I can do that if necessary, but I expect that issue to be dealt with properly, by the time the next version is released. What is bothering me many times more, is the GUI features of SDJ vs Itch. SSL users may be comfortable with the SDJ layout since they have been working with something similar all along. To me however, the only good thing about this new interface when compared to Itch, is the important information available in the clock face, and even the clock itself can be improved upon, as I have mentioned here previously.
The main thing that stops me from using SDJ, and forces me to remain with Itch, is (as I've mentioned earlier here in this post), the lack of a practical and useable vertical waveform view.
BTW.., I noticed something else interesting when I was testing out your information. In SDJ, when you press the DELETE button on (either) one (V7) player, you are able to delete cues on both players... either on purpose, or accidentally. I think I liked the way it was set up in Itch, better.

DJ Demolition
2:00 AM - 8 April, 2014
Anyone interested in seeing a graphic example of what I've been complaining about, regarding the (IMHO) poorly designed SDJ GUI, may wish to view the screenshots at the following links.
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The Despicable Nyan Cat
12:40 AM - 4 May, 2014
www.flickr.com
www.flickr.com
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Anyone interested in seeing a graphic example of what I've been complaining about, regarding the (IMHO) poorly designed SDJ GUI, may wish to view the screenshots at the following links.www.flickr.com
www.flickr.com
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Nick M
1:45 AM - 19 May, 2014
Wow, that's not a screen size you see every day! Do you use two monitors side by side for that?
Wow, that's not a screen size you see every day! Do you use two monitors side by side for that?

DJ Demolition
2:54 AM - 19 May, 2014
Yes, I have two 20" wide flat LCDs built into the top of my coffin case. Works great: www.flickr.com

The Despicable Nyan Cat
3:50 PM - 30 May, 2014
That is a interesting set-up,
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Yes, I have two 20" wide flat LCDs built into the top of my coffin case. Works great: www.flickr.comThat is a interesting set-up,

DJ Demolition
1:30 AM - 10 June, 2014
Thanks, but it's just the logical way to go, the way I see it.
Way too much hardware for most controller DJs. But it seems pretty compact to me, considering what I used to carry around back in the day.
I really like it and it all works like a champ, except for the software hiccups that I keep complaining about.
Way too much hardware for most controller DJs. But it seems pretty compact to me, considering what I used to carry around back in the day.
I really like it and it all works like a champ, except for the software hiccups that I keep complaining about.
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