Ugh, this was supposed to go in dj discussion

No worries... I still read it.
LOL

Maybe they are tired of the dance floor orgies and resulting cock fights?
Don't think its as much of a racist thing as much as it is a pattern of trouble.
After all, they have a license to protect and it only takes one appearance before the city council or selectmen to put you out of business.

Any BAR (or "bar with a dance floor") that's in a decent-sized city (with some bigger venues riding the EDM fad for all it's worth) that tries to go "All EDM" is only sowing the seeds for their own future troubles. "trying to rip 4 hours of 128 bpm through 8" bar speakers with zero lights" indeed, LOL.

I think (hope!) the "EDM" fad has already peaked, the genre is super-stale at this point, and there's less of it represented in the pop charts now compared to a year ago... I keep wondering who's going to play the role of July 1979 Steve Dahl and start the "EDM SUCKS" movement. "EDM" at this time is far more of a nightlife blight than disco ever was.

So what happens to the smaller places that have fallen hook-line-sinker for "EDM" (without investing in any of the things needed to pull it off decently) when the roof falls in on the "EDM" fad?

And I put "EDM" in quotes here cause I think it's about the stupidest acronym ever.

The place I work for been this way since it opened. They start off with Happy Hour music like motown and disco and we go right into Uptempo Top 40 tracks and then around 11 1130 we play house stuff. When I play normal versions of songs like Blurred Lines or Pitbull - Dont Stop The Party, I see alot of people not staying or leaving but if I play a nice remix of it or something that isnt along the "EDM" format like a real house remix sound they tend to stay and see more people entering the bar.

At Promo Only Summer Sessions this year they panel was saying the Disco Soul sound is coming back like how Get Lucky is and they say its a good thing. I Disagree. Maybe for radio but it gets boring when your djing at a bar/club.

I rather play a Top 40/Hip Hop Dance Remix than the regular track. I hate the word EDM though, I will never use it because EDM's definition is "Americanized Dance Music" (with rap/pop artist).

My point saying uptempo stuff gets the party going and that's where you want to keep it, where the energy is through the roof.

I would live to report that its not a racist thing.
But almost always the order to switch it to dance music , and I'm using the term ALMOST ALWAYS followed by a off the cuff derogatory statement like " errrr yeah, it's getting a little dark in here" or something like that.

Letting in potential problem characters, and more importantly removing them (no matter their race) falls on the MANAGENT AND DOORSTAFF!
They supposed to be proactive detering problems before they happen.
Not waiting for the Melee after.
In my years, I've seen pretty much an even split on who is going to throw down, but I will tell you this. The unprovoked fights in Boston often stem from the pack of 8 dudes from Southie who realized they aren't pulling any ass and decide its time to start a bar fight because someone has a face they don't like.

So, again it falls back on the to play music that "black folks don't like" so these owners & managers don't have to be the hard guy when we get a handful of boys from brazil who "look like trouble" at the door and they let them in hopes that 30 minutes of Calvin Harris is all they can handle... I've even got the "chill on the reggeton" when playing danza kaduro or temperature .....

There was a time when bouncers watched the floor and kicked people out for acting like a jackass.
You start uninvitedly grinding on every girl , gone.
You look like your looking for problems, gone
Your staggering around clearly hammered, they didn't toss you on the street, they got u a chair, glass of water, and tried to help you out.

Now bouncers wait for fights, play grab ass with girls
And with that it all falls on us to usher out the undesirables, no matter what race, age,sex with the simple tool of 128bpms alone.

Sidebar.
I had just played champagne showers (when it was popular) at this spot,
The mgr comes running to the booth...
"Oh... I though this was SHOTS...don't play shots! These people are hammered!!"
And all I could think was; isn't it your bartenders job to shut off the hammered?
Now I'm doing their job too?
I understand how influencial we are, and I understand cutting off 150 people at the bar at once who want a shot to do to shots is a nightmare; but at the same time; maybe they should have been employing some measures to ensure that they are fall down drunk at 1 am? Don't pour so heavy, cut some people off ect
Now it's on me again because the other staff in the bar CAN'T DO THEIR JOB?

I would LOVE to report that its not a racist thing.*

in retrospect, I guess its not just EDM. Ive had places go "ALL 80s, ALL ROCK, or even ALL COUNTRY" And its a clear and obvious reason why...
and if its not... next time Ill turn on my phone in the meeting and get some nice sound bytes that would make David Duke blush.

Josh I see it from both sides, as both a club owner and DJ. Here's my take.
It's not racial, it's not wanting to attract the type of crowd you don't want.

I've never played a "trap" track, nothing below 75bpm, although I do play Holy Grail now, so nothing below 73bpm and the amount of "unwanted patrons" in the club I can count on both hands.

The logic that is discussed in our weekly meetings is if you start to play the music they like, then they will tell their friends and it starts a snowball effect. So we keep it 100% mainstream and if it starts to get a bit rowdy, then we switch to country or EDM. 1200+ people every Thursday, some NHL players show up and we do a wet t-shirt contest every week, so it's a fun party.

Having said that, I stay away from Trap, but do play reggae instead. Still urban, girls like it and just play commercial hits.

As you said, it's being proactive to not allow this to happen. Sure I could play Bugatti and the crowd would probably go nuts...but, it's not the crowd I want so Florida George Line gets played instead.

That's me being the club owner, not the DJ...I just happen to be the same person

so what are the determining factors to identify that crowd?
and are these factors you can identify before they come into a venue?
IE, carrying a weapon, displaying coked-up-fighting behavior, dressed out of dress code.
but unless you have some sort of inside information on a person Id hate to think that
any place is practicing the "he aint white, he is the crowd we dont want" [yes that was sarcasm, cause we know that happens]
especially if they approach the door well mannered, dressed in code, money in hand, girl on arm.
your money is green, and your blood is red I can work with you.


I think more my beef (as much as the racist thing clearly steams me)
its trying to pass off a total BAR for a club in the name of "getting the right crowd"
I can win over people in alot of situations.
but with zero support in the sound and lighting says to me
"hey we'll just play dance music and the people we feel are undesirable will go away"

where as, a change of format should be accompanied by the expected accoutrements that come with dance music.
its like having an Italian Restaurant and changing overnight to a Sushi Bar becuase you done want any more italians in there...
but you keep serving bread and oil, your still trying to push red wine as the drink and serving tiramisu for desert with the ratpack on the speakers....
if you want to be a sushi bar, it takes more than changing your entree from Veal to Dragon Roll...





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Finally someone has brought this to the table, thank you!
Just went through this with a bar in town. The owner kept blaming us and the music when all we were playing was top 40, new so called edm and old school hip hop. His bouncers would let anybody and everybody in. They were always worried about chasing tail instead of doing there jobs, the bartender's poor super strong drinks in hopes of getting some ass or scoring some free coke. It was a total nightmare. We'll long story short the bouncers let someone in with a gun and someone got shot so he switched to all country and I bounced (I have my limits). Now since the switch there has been 2 shootings and numerous accounts of women being touched inappropriately to the point where the cops were called. I just laugh when I hear these things cause they were so sure that it was the music, blacks and Mexicans causing all the trouble.

It's the club owners job to train the bouncers to weed out the bad, it's the club owners job to train the bar staff on how to poor drinks. My job is to rotate the floor and keep the ladies happy. Changing the music might stop some people for coming in but there's always gonna be trouble no matter the race.

Maybe I we can get a mod to move this to DJ DISCUSSION

No worries Joshua Carl, I will move this across to DJ Discussion :)

I agree with Josh. Our job as DJs is to read the crowd and play music. Not do a bartender, bouncer or promoters job. Now i cant speak for the place I work at because they never played hip hop pr anything under 120 bpm except rock and motown, but if we see a crowd that likes hip hop we attend to play it by reading whos on the dancefloor. I dont think its a racist thing. I just think owners are scared things are gonna go down. And they see it as black and hispanics start more problems in clubs then whites do. Thats what i think.

I WANT TO LIVE IN YOUR WORLD!!!!!

I for one under any circumstances, REFUSE to play in a spot - or for any owner/manager that HANDCUFFS me! As a open format DJ this is a nightmare scenario,,,, non-debatable to me. I feel sorry for you cats who continue to stay in a place that does that to you - maybe out of fear that you won't get another gig for quite some time, IDK. But not me. I do my homework first - area the place is in, kind of crowd that is there on the weekend. Yelp reviews, & go there the week before, if possible, and see how many times a manager/owner keeps going into the booth. Nothing worse than stuck playing 115bpm & over all night in most cases, poorly ventilated venues/bar, & like dude said up above - inadequate sound systems to boot. Fuck that - life is too short. A good DJ with excellent programming skills will know how to play each genre while not over doing it on one in particular, and will make everyone happy.

Joshua,

Sounds like you're dealing with really bad management there (to kind of state the obvious). Or at least, people who's judgement and sensibility fails in the "real-time" situations of dealing with a busy bar full of different people.

Any chance you could meet with these people (over lunch/dinner maybe) and have a rational discussion? I've always had much better communication with owners/management that way, as opposed to dealing with issues with the place open/busy.

Assuming, of course, that you think the situation is salvageable and you have any desire to continue dealing with that place....

I was beginning to think i was one of the only persons who notices things like this but hey all it undoubtedly proves is that stereotypes and profiling will never die

Look at the Superbowl's halftime shows since Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction"... It's the same mentality.
After that, it was safe acts like Tom Petty, Paul McCartney, Prince, and The Who. They finally decided on Madonna and MIA recently and look how that turned out - controversy! (MIA giving the finger on live TV) You'd think that the booking agent for the Superbowl shows could guarantee that shenanigans would happen on stage, but hey, we all want to see something out of the ordinary right?!?

The same goes for bars. You get one bad night and all of the sudden the DJ has to switch formats. I did an 80's gig a while back for a mixed crowd in Chicago. The venue wanted something "safe". No hip-hop, no techno, no country. 80's was neutral - and it was. Everyone was having a good time... until the karaoke DJ let some redneck hillbilly sing his country song. All hell broke loose when the different crowds starting getting on each other over the music. "Shit - can't we just go back to the 80's party?" I thought, but too late, the cops were already there breaking up the fights!

energy through the roof is not what i get from edm, i get energy of people looking around, not liking it and standing, there till i play rap.

Gotta love the crowds look when they don't want a genre forced on them...

I feel your pain.

The days of programming and reading your floor are dwindling for many reasons... People are feeling entitled to hear their song right away, club owners think they know how to dj, and every bar is a damn club now because they can afford the cheap undercutting djs, so many djs have to bitch out and be a robot because of the times... Blah blah blah..

Sad really...

This sums up everything

pretty much

Being a dj in 2013 is similar to running a free range ant farm

Story of my Dj career in Boston. Playing to the managers and club owners, not party goers. Ive the most blatant racist sh*t said to me over the years. Some bars will only hire "white" Djs and others give you a hard time even when your playing what they want exactly like Joshua said. There is this one spot downtown I play at every now and then, very trendy lounge, where the manager is nothing, but a dick to me every time. Not because of the music either cause I go hard on the EDM. I know what to play, been in this city too long. Hes just a dick and prefers a certain DJ from what I can tell. He even hates my Rane 62 mixer, said it sounds like shit!? WTF! That right there made me hate him even more. The sound guy who works there loves the 62 btw, said it sounds awesome, but the manager, complete dick! I seriously dont like playing there because of it. Its not like that everywhere by no means, but this city is very divided and you'll be lucky if you find an evenly diverse crowd partying together. Also this has nothing to do with undercutting Djs, at least not in this city. This is straight up, lets keep this crowd looking a certain way, period.

I laugh when the owners or managers complain that "it was a slow night" "it wasn't popping, sorry"... Whether they are nice to me or not... I just shake my head.

They aren't the ones hearing the "you suck dj" "play something we wanna hear"... Etc. oh well gotta get paid

So yes, no Hip Hop and more importantly in Boston, NO reggae, period!

^i had a similar experience, but flipped. I was at a spot I was under contract with that had a group wanting to book a monthly, primairly (100%) african american attended party. They were told fine but Im still under contract as the Dj. I played it for the first two or so events and threw down, had great reaction from the crowd ect ect. Managment was approached by the promoters saying they really didnt want a white dj playing their events. After a great deal of hastle a deal was made where the club payed me my contracted salary and the promoters had to match if for me to NOT play lol.

Totally sounds like a you dj so bad but it was easily the best deal ive ever had so fuck it lol.

Hahaha yup

New Hip Hop is so turrrible though. Like beyond.

THISS!!!!!

now this would be awesome.

however, i'm also of the opinion that it's pretty much all the new hot garbage music coming out.

Like that Meek Mill - Dreams and Nightmares track. HUGE hiphop record and it's fucking god awful garbage. An embarrassment to what to be a great genre.

@Joshua Carl I agree about the racist element. Although, anytime it's been explained to me by a mgr/owner it's been not the fear of fights but they say that it's about bar sales numbers. i.e. their explanation; playing hip hop brings in a crowd that doesn't spend as much at the bar.

I think this seperation is the best thing thats ever happened because when i used to do hiphop shows youd always get the spoiled frat kid with daddys beamer and his 80 pound blonde haired blue eyed sorostitite girlfriend running to the dj booth demanding you play super hood jeezy tracks do they pretend theyre hard and that used bug the shit outta me.

Now adays that same couple come to my shows mollyed outta their mind askn for calvin harris hug someone tracks and playing in paint......theyre still annoying as fuck but at least the duechebags look and act the part of duechebags and not gangsters....makes it easier to stomach lol

It's funny, for a few years I was the sole white dude at this spot. (Vinyl days)
And in this particular party they were on point with All the aspects of how to throw a proper hiphop party and keep out potential problem. They had private security (not the clubs I. House) they brought in a metal detector, and had an armed uniformed police officer at the door with his black and white parked right in front.
Granted this was a straight hiphop party in which all the promoters and such came from just outside downtown, arguabably the "rougher" area.

But there was never a fight, ever.

On the other side of the coin I've seen Irish pubs which are a literal blood bath.
Dance, fight, sweep up the teeth, repeat.

Select made a good point with the reggae
Even sometimes doing that crossover 90s stuff you see them like Ooohh shiiiiiiit!

Here's an excellent conversation I had about 2 years ago at a failing lounge when we took over their Friday and Saturdays
Keep in mind this owner and I came up together , I spun and he was head bartender... Big fan of golden era hiphop.

About a month in with good results doing video on a massive wall and playing a bit of everything; but clearly the vibe of the room was best with 90s hiphop typical favs. Skee Lo salt n pepa, bad boy

They doubled their bar profits after a few weeks
(Admittedly they were doin jack shit; so doin 2x was still ehhhh but def better)

Saturday night.
11ish
A last minute birthday party decided to stay at this spot rather than goto their planned spot.
To that point I was in that Next/swv/janetjackson vibe
Now this party was like a benaton ad. Completely mixed
But they had 3-4 dudes that were straight out that native tongues movement, rockin Dashikis
And dances the entire night; not matter what I played
It was a very fun light hearted money spending celebratory group.

By 12 we were packed up.
Now I had ZERO requests, but given their age I went into some new jack swing, classics
Ya know all that 90s 105-115 goodness
The owner comes up

-Switch it up (I happen to playing Mr Webdal)
+ dude, I know you live this song...sup?
- I can't have it this dark in here
+ (me = look of death and detest)
- josh this place is gonna turn into an all black hangout; they are all gonna get on their phones and call their friends to come here
+ laughing... Oh, your serious?
- (the look of death back)
+ (feeling a little allegiance to the party) so now that they doubled their party size, bought a ton of drinks, you want me to drive them out with a complete 360 on the music?
- I can't have it like this; it looks bad, we won't get any white girls in here
+ so what happens when we are empty in 30 mins
- I don't even care play some rock and 80s

It didn't even matter
(Although my 80s were more like George benson, el debarge, rockwell then the usual Eddie money wink wink)

Night ends
- I can't believe. We made it through the night without a problem, that crowd was rough
+no, that crowd was hype... There's a difference, they were our age, probably even had kids
- still I don't like the room that dark
+ but you like the register that full

And here it comes...
"I'd rather have it empty in here than have people think this is a black club"

A quote that will never leave me
Now we can all identify a club gangsta
Especially if its getting Roudy; and the crew is getting thick.

But in a room of 250,
Maybe 15 black folks, THAT'S the basis for that?

All the race shit aside
I was pissed I couldn't just rock out like I had weeks preceding when it looked like a Walton's episode...
So I guess I'm a bit selfish too, but that's bean town in a nutshell


A lot of these owners phobias do exist because of prior incidents in our small city
And yes, 80% were at those Sunday - Wednesday hiphop nights.
But the immediate panic and switch the music now shit... Ugh

Select- what spot I talking about (PM ME)

Im a open format non-white DJ you dont know how often Im biting my tongue. What sucks is I can completely rock a place have everyone buying drinks and the house packed. everyone is showing me love cause Im playing good music from every genre to include hiphop, and minimal dose of whatever is hot in ratchetville. I also play every other genre to include fucking swing music. People have a great time.

Problem is that since Im non-white the moment I play something that even remotely has a hiphop vibe. Im automatically classified as a hiphop DJ and they dont want me playing there anymore because of it.

Racism is still alive in this country. Its funny how owners think white people dont fight in clubs cause they are some how above that behavior. Let me tell I have seen some white boys throw down because they get drunk and start falling all over the place.

Anyways I feel you Josh

The jersey shore is a perfect example of white boys on steroids acting like fools. Regardless of what's being played.

Awful.

It's easy to be in the booth and just wanna rock a party. You guys don't understand the investment a club/bar owner makes when he opens up a place.

It's not like someone handed them a set of keys and said, "Here's your club. Have fun!" Say something goes down at the club. Fight, shooting, etc. Now owner faces the possibility of having liquor license suspended or even revoked if this is not the first incident. They shut down for a while or for good. Where does owner go? To bankruptcy court. Where do you go? The next spot willing to hire you.

I've been on both sides; managing/owning and in the booth. I started out DJ'ing and still do sometimes. Here's where I side with the DJ's: All problems could be avoided at the door. I don't care how nice the place looks, how hot the bartenders are, how good the sound and lighting systems are, or even how good the DJ is. Security/door staff is the most important element of any nightclub.

Door people should be properly trained to weed out the troublemakers. It should never get to the point where the owner has to tell the DJ to kill the floor with country. Yes sometimes a few slip through the cracks and those problems have to be handled but any place with a good policy can avoid most problems.

For most owners it's not a matter of race but more so, keeping a good mix/balance of hot women and guys that spend money, regardless of race. Experienced owners know or think they know what "groups" cause the problems.

the owners just need to understand that if they are stripping the dj of his professional programming skills and is basically limiting him... then the owners need to understand why their spot wasn't "popping off" or why people weren't dancing... I have had to deal with limited format spots that had the wrong assigned genre(s) for their club and were wondering why they weren't busy or why people were just standing around...

Too many owners and managers out there that think they will be super successful if they sign their club up for EDM and nothing else... well they need to have the clientele for that shit lol.

The problem with that is then you have possible legal ramifications from discriminating, then what happens when your turning away large groups at the door

Or have this goin in in front of your establishment Watchwww.youtube.com

I wasn't implying that you tell your door guys to not let a certain group in. Ask for a dress code, cover charge, two forms of ID, etc. Good door guys have a nose for who the trouble makers are gonna be.

I've seen well-dressed minority guys come in, have a good time, spend well, and not cause problems. I've also seen white guys come in dressed like shit and get hammered.

Im not talkin bout not letting certin groups in either but when it comes to dress codes shit can get kinda squirly.

By the way, I'm Hispanic and I like house music. EDM is big now like hip hop was a few years ago.I can see why the mainstream audience likes it right now. Not a fan of hip hop. Commercial hip hop in clubs is OK but you can't play shit with cuss words, degrading to women, or stuff that gets people to throw gang signs in the air. That's just plain foolish.

I don't see how you can really get away with playing just one genre of music all night in suburban or small town spots.

I can see both sides of the story, as a dj i dont give a fuck who i play for long as im aloud to perform. Typically i spend a few years in edm then get bored and go back to hiphop then visa versa.

On the other hand (and once again im only speakingfor my local situation from working in the industry) i cant honestly say one group starts more shit than another, once the drinks flow both sides are idiots, but from my experience the level of problem is greater in the black club and there is a measurable impact on patrons because alot of patrons think like that asshole owner everyone hates. ive personally seen the local trend of new bar opens, generally its that college age duesches that come out, then whichever spot the black spot is gets shut down and that group comes to the new spot, most of the girls stary calling it a black club, the original crowd stops comming, it keeps a black club from anywhere from 6 months to a year, the owner makes BAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNKKKKKK then a shooting happens and the club shuts down.

Now does this happen due to poor sercurity or cause the owner gets comfy with the $$$$ or what have you....i dont know im not a security guard. All i know is from working in the industry i have an ear on the buzz of all the spots and i have an undeniable list of clubs that became black then closed due to a shooting.

I wont even say its a racial thing as much as its a genre thing because there are alot of cool raver black guys who come to my shows and when i ask how (whatever clubs i used to work at) even they are like nah it got ghetto im not goin back there.

Again im sure this is different in larger citys, i havent experienced it much since i gave up on mobile and strictly started playing pcola and the ms coast

Thats my problem with current hiphop, everyone why wants it wants all this new hood shit that really focuses on an aggressive vibe and they bitch at the classics. Ill gladly gravitate over to the plur scene where everyones friendly :) lol

I'd be the first to tell you I'd want an all white bar and I'm Hispanic!!! I've been on both sides of the business as an owner/manager and DJ as well as a paying customer and I can tell you who causes a majority of the problems. It ain't whites, although they get into their fair share of tussles from time to time.

The one club in our town that still has 'em packed on weekends plays country for the first few hours then goes into mainstream dance music/hip hop the rest of the night. 98% white, 100% profit. That place is not going out of business or will it be shut down anytime soon.

For you DJ's bitching about some owner/manager telling you what to play you can do one of two things: Quit and go somewhere else and hope you won't run into the same situation or do what I used to do: play all the shit you hate that and that the manager wants EARLY. Wait 'til everybody gets a hammered then hit 'em with some new shit.

Above all, use your adult common sense and don't play stuff that will incite a riot. I worked at a bar in college where the owner would tell us not to play "Jump Around" by House of Pain because the frat boys would bump into each other and all hell would break loose. It goes both ways.

Let me share a couple of experiences with you guys. I am going to try and stay away from the word racist here, but rather use fact. And just FYI, I am Filipino. A part of what you guys would call "minority group"

Worked at club, lets call it club "A". Club "A" just recently re-opened with new owner new management. Club "A", PRIOR to its re-opening had become a "hip-hop" club. The reason for the closing of FORMER Club "A" is that the hip-hop crowd did not spend money. They bought one to two drinks and hungout all night. There was at least 1 fight every single night it was open. The bouncer were on point and no more than 1-2 punches were thrown before both parties were ejected. So the former owner closed it.

New owner comes in, gets rid of all the previous residents. I then come in after seeing the changes and ask if I can DJ there. They give me a tryout night. I do well and get a residency. Within the first few month after re-opening, some of the old patrons were filtering back. One night, the club was packed with them. Now I am typically a Top40/EDM DJ, but was catering to the crowd and playing hip-hop/R&B. The owner comes up to me and tells me to change it up. I tell him that it will clear the club. His words was, "I don't care, the bar is not making money anyways" So I do and I was playing to a half empty club by 12:30 (peak hour).

FFWD 6months later. The crowd has changed, yes demographics has changed. Bar income is now $15-20K a night (I don't know what it was before). I always make it a point to ask what sales was on nights I work. Its my own personal gauge on how well I did. We now have bottle service tables booked. No more fights. No more people coming up to me rudely requesting songs or being belligerent about it. According to the bar manager, tip averages have also gone up.

Having a degree in business and being in the investment industry as my day job. I can tell you maximize your revenue by minimizing work and maximizing income. If you have a packed club, but no one buying drinks, you are not making money. And if there is very little tipping, your staff is not going to be happy and start quitting.

seems like people are making this a white/black thing, but many clubs arent just white or black, they are mixed. Most djs realize to go back an forth so its not one just one or the other that they are catering. Even if you are playing majority of hip hop, you should be able to get uptempo and vice versa for edm.

Whats being said here is that club gms and managers dont know what the f they are doing.
which i can attest to. at the same time its their money and their club, so i do whatever they want. can it cost you jobs because no one likes it? yeah, but they are probably doing you a favor in the long run, because you can move on and try to get another gig.

Thats awesome how could you not incite a riot on the dance floor thats what a DJ does we make the club go fukin crazy.lol

Im speaking for myself and my own experience in my city. Other major cities have bigger nightlife scenes where the "urban" crowds are more accepted and do well I might add.

My sun nights were built around a mixture of Hip Hop, spanish,dance and somewhere in the middle a good set of open format. Folks started to get crunk right around 2:15 or so (we stay open till around 3:30 or so). The majority of our clientele is a younger crowd that is very mix (black,white,Hispanic,gay, strait). We decided to play "Dance music" after 2:00am and ever since that change was made we have had very tittle problems. I'm not making this a racial issue at all. The crowd after 2:00 am is still mixed but the majority of the black folks filter out.

NM NH

Right with you there brotha. For clubs like these, It's all good at 128BPM. The moment you step out of it, management loses their minds.

But, let's put the shoe on the other foot for a second because this swings both ways. The moment you try to go down to 128BPM for anything OTHER than Shots (or OMG back in 2010) with many of the urban crowds it seems (and, yes: I am speaking specifically with regards to predominantly black crowds. This doesn't seem to be a problem with latino crowds from my observations), you're the whack DJ for trying to introduce people to something other than Bandz. I was chatting with an MC at a club just the other week over casual conversation about the crowd. To quote his summation of it, "all hood, all the time".

This shit is boring.

Exactly.

Yes... Rule #1 for a beginner DJ - No playing Ludacris "Move Bitch" at 1:30 am.

I disagree ;)

Watchwww.youtube.com

Gotta love the plur scene lol

All of what this discussion is based on is, for sure, racism. Business have been exclusionary for profit for ever. Now, they have just become more "creative". If the dress code doesn't keep "them" out, then this shitty EDM will!

I, like Josh, experienced this shit way back in the all vinyl days. Except, it was totally blatant. I got hired for new hot bar opening to be "their DJ" (no real residencies back then). They took me from another popular spot I was having a good run of Friday nights at. Back the place the, have a great first night. Packing up, 400 pound owner waddles over to me says "Great job kid but next week no N-WORD music." Well, I'm not so good at biting my tongue, so I told the guy to go fuck himself. Needless to say, I didn't play there again till that fat fuck went under and had to sell the place.

Also, my experience with Boston, I love it but, it's a racist city in general. So segregated till this day. I use to tour DJ for a few hip hop groups, this one spot we use to play in Boston, the manager would always hand me (the white DJ w/ 5 black MC's) the money at the end of night! Actually, I saw shit like that all over our great country. Lesson is, we may not think it, but there is still racism everywhere.

might have to play this one,,,,, just at 10:30. ;)

TEXAS!!!!!!!!

The majority of the clubs or bars that play majority hip hop go under because some shooting or stabbing or killing...... How is this racist????

Man this thread is EXACTLY what I'm going through right now. Bar just got bought by new owner and I was told that they want to change the music up to "more Top-40ish"& dance music w/ no real change to the lighting or sound system. Only thing is we live in a small navy town where even the white folks want to hear some 62-75bpm hip hop ( at least the white girls anyway ).

I'm also a non-white black DJ and every time I try to branch out and network a bit I can just feel them looking at me as just a "hip-hop"dj.

But it's not just us. I remember listen to Risk One on the Rock-It-Scientists podcast say that when he first moved to San Fran, he had promoters giving him lists of songs & types of music he should stick to because they only looked at him on the flyers. And he travels all around. Crazy

for all you New York cats.............. Why did the tunnel close again????

NM NH

Owners and mgmt are guilty of profiling. I've been fired on more than a few occasions for telling the owners to fuck off when saying stupid shit like its getting dark in here, play some country. Country is shit music for shit kicking douchebags and I will never have any of that crap in my library. I've lost potential gigs because I tell the owner/manger that I simply do not have country and will never play that shit.

I can't even imagine the kind of (incredulous, disgusted, hostile) reactions I might get if I ever played country music when DJ-ing...

...and I have no intention of finding out, either.

Exactly!!!! For example someone earlier said hiphop was more accepted and does better in larger city, its huge and does well here but they keep shooting ip the damn clubs so they cant keep em open, at what point does a trend of shootings become acceptable?

To me its a no brainer, as a busniess owner with a choice would you rather allow a genre of music that talks about nothing but negativity, fighting, killin, stealin, and robbing...essentially in some cases literally telling patrons they SHOULD be tearing da club up or one that attracts a peaceful nonviolent community that promotes peace love unity and respect and encourages everyone to come together and just have a good time together rather than trying to shit on everyone elses good time.

I think it was said best, hiphop draws a crowd, edm draws a community

I can post hundreds of examples of hiphop clubs and concerts being shot up but id be suprised if youcan find one article about an edm event being shot up. Ive rarley even seen a fight since ive been doing them.

Instead of bitching about owners why dont we start doing something to encourage some kind of positive movment in hiphop. Its not like any of the new hiphops any good anyway.

Until the drugs wear off.

Which will be loooong after theyve left the venue lol

yes I agree, X will bring out the peace loving zombies out into people

And to they drink? From what I've seen, not much. Mostly bothering the barstaff for water all night.

Which gets back to what I said about BARS trying to ride the "EDM" fad. It really isn't a good long-term economic proposition for a BAR that d is running on liquor sales.

A club where you have the proper facilities (sound/lights/space) and can get away with charging $25 or higher at the door, whole different equation. "EDM" all the way there...

"I can post hundreds of examples of hiphop clubs and concerts being shot up but id be suprised if you can find one article about an edm event being shot up."

but for every hiphop club shot up, you have an OD or Rape at a festival.
basically, both will have an ambulance on duty.
one for people getting shot, and the other for people shooting up.

which is the lesser of 2 evils.

hiphop you have songs about being a gangsta
dance you have songs about doing drugs

back in the pre-edm craze
I used to get told the SAME THING when I started playing dance music,
"I DONT WANT THOSE PILL POPPING MANIACS OD'ING IN MY BATHROOM AFTER DRINKING 2.00 WORTH OF WATER AT THE BAR"

Basically, you can find something wrong with any extreme.

in my case, im not talking about extremes.
im talking about getting yelled at for playing The Fresh Prince of Bel Air
(no lie)

You have management that's completely out of touch with reality.

I asked before...do you have any opportunity to talk with these people "offline"?

I've had much better success with these kinds of issues discussed during non-business hours than while in the middle of a busy night...

I was gonna argue till i read that last line lol

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Once again.... Why did the tunnel in NY close????

NM NH

one spot, i actually did some work and basically explained that Wil Smith and Ace Hood are not the same guy.

its loosened up a bit.
but Im not looking to go super maybach at this spot.
so its worked out there for the most part.

but it was a legit argument.
but its this particular guys personality. he was walked in on other nights and put sportscenter on the tvs (shutting off the promoters sucessful picture feed)
just so he can sit at the bar and watch it at 1230
he also has walked in at 11pm on a wednesday when the bartenders have 40-50 of their friends in the spot (and no one else) and shut of their pandora channell of choice for whatever he feels like listening too (and everyone scowls and walks out)
it alsmot came to blows with him and the head bartender.
its a total ego thing.

the other spot.
our 4-5 predecessors were all fired for playing to the crowd.
they have fought for a few years to erase the stigma of the place that existed before.
(rowdy, puke on the floor, fights every night, college spot)
I could post screen shots with me and the mgr texting
-so, theres a ton of pissed off ladies in here asking for hiphop
+fuck em!

the thing is, this place turns away 100-200 people becuase we hit capacity by 12
so, they are in a position to make some calls.
but heres where this goes south.
I played a miley redrum, and the jump smokers selena remix....
and they are like... no more hiphop.
they did the same thing 3 songs into some trap remixes.
I dont even dare play some Major Lazer


like mentioned..... its pure stupidty.
its a bit early to sit em down, we are on the verge of making our guys pretty unreplaceable....
once that happens, ill have a few more chips on the table to barter with

but both of these spots, its classic stereotyping.
were not talking 30 minutes of Meek Millz, were talking 15 mins of Usher

Because the owner was selling drugs and not paying rent.

Did you ever frequent the tunnel? It was a VERY diverse crowd. People went there to party and listen to house real house music.

Lol i was gonna bring this up, one side remembers the awesome edm scene that blossomed the other side the amasing hiphop scene

To be fair you could easily throw the limelight right back in the edm comnunitys face

Yeah an owner or manager who freaks out over stuff like the Jump Smokers Selena Gomez mix may be a bit beyond hope LOL.

If that place is stuck with a "college" crowd that wouldn't appreciate a "retro-heavy" approach to R&B and hip-hop, besides the inept management you may have some programming roadblocks to deal with...

this is why I love lounges, I can play old classics and stuff that I know people will enjoy. To me, having the most people packed in a spot all hyped up isnt always the most gratifying. being able to play Wu tang to Fugees with some De La Soul and Stevie Wonder is a good night for me. Some dance, some mingle but overall I know the atmosphere is positive

I use to be in the limelight, redzone, tunnel, 10-18 and I remember the house days. The hip-hop scene was big in 99' in the tunnel.

So the funk master nights at the runner were diverse ????? BULLSHIT

in 99'. They had different nights there. Are you from NYC? Did you go to the tunnel every weekend?

Certain nights were strictly hip-hop nights but most of the week were house nights.

This coming from Bezzle? I know there's a thread out there where he says basically the exact opposite somewhere... I'm gonna find it! :)

Be back in about 2 weeks.

like the 2 times Ive been to webster hall.
night and day.
once a few years back for a Dance event.

and then this year on a Thursday to spin the 2nd room... (hiphop Main room)

night and day
1 night people were rolling around on the floors, tripping balls, EMTs in the spot every few checking pupils pulling people out
the other had about 6 fights a few that turned into melees
and a few people were def rolled out on stretchers.

pick your poison.

I was literally just about to write that if you ask me again in a few months ill say the exact opposite lol

LOL

Flexs hiphop night was sunday wasnt it?

I use to go to Webster hall on Thursday nights and the basement was all hip-hop and the place smelled like weed. the 2nd floor was all top40 and 80's. the 3rd floor was all house. No fights just straight partying. Good ole' days.

Yes. In fact that made Sundays hip-hop night all over the city for the next 10 years.

Lol see i know my history ;)

Spent some time in NY I'm in texas now...

All the drama happened when flex took over the tunnel.. Fights, stabbings.... That kind of activity I'm sure didn't help things...

NM

I like playing spots were I can truely play good music and no one from management bothers me. Its hard getting them to trust your programming especially if they are hard up on the EDM wave.

Every state has their own distinct nightclub culture. Stop assuming cause assuming makes an ass out of you lol. My homie is from Texas and he tells me the nightlife scene its VERY different than what we have up north. From the music, people and whats happening on the dance floor. Totally different and we are talking "urban" crowds.

Even in my city we have a lot of "urban" promoters and they all have their own unique following. They vary from very upscale, 30+, ratchet, college or strictly dancehall. I work with the more upscale, 30+ urban crowd for the most part. All extremely successful events and they get some of the best spots for me to DJ at in the city.

Webster Hall used to be my spot back in days! That was the first club I had ever been too with that many rooms and variety of people all in one place. I had a lot of fun in there.

It's not racist, it's good business.

We are one of the bars that jumped on this "EDM bandwagon" and have had great success. We had 3 essential elements of this change. We cut out ALL hip hop. We instated a stricter dress code. We started charging a cover charge at the door.

Here's a couple things we learned:

1) EDM does clean up the crowd. We went from 75% black, 15% white, 10% mexican (Most thuggish) to 50% white, 30% mexican, 20% black (Most wearing polo and such)

2) We went from an average of 3 fights per week, to not having a single altercation in the last 6 months.

3) Headcount has went down approx 30%, but bar sales are up 25%! - That's right, even with less people, our predominantly white and mexican crowd is spending much more than the black crowd.

I'm not racist, and your free to disagree with me if you want, but the facts are the facts.

At our hip hop playing bar, we had high headcount, low sales and many altercations.

At our EDM bar, we have moderate headcount, high sales, and zero altercations.

Which do you think is the better business model?

this clearly doesnt apply across the board, there are several BARS in my area that try to the cater to the fist pump crowd but they do not have the atmosphere to match so it just ends up being most Top40 with a little fist pump mixed in.


Not all black parties are thuggish I did one this past weekend patrons were all black and dressed extremely well and noo fights occured and guess what we play hiphop all night granted it was majority golden era and party tracks barely any ratchet tunes cause I just dont do ratchet.

I think what owners need to realize is that not all hiphop/rap music will insight a riot in your establishment. For example I had a club get shutdown cause of fights and guess what they were all white and I was playing Will Smith Getting Jiggy with it when all hell broke loose.

What Im saying is that your situation is not true across the board Im a open format guy I hate new school hiphop so I just dont play it. I think DJs need to be held accountable for what they play and also I believe management should be held accountable for who is coming through the door. The DJ should always play to the crowd and not to a format, thats why clubs are so stale now a days every single club is playing the same exact tunes and its boring to the patrons but the owners could care less patrons get drunk and they stop caring. Owner wins cause he makes the money crowd gets short changed by being forced fed EDM all night when the obviously want to hear more than EDM. Club gets stale after a few years and shuts down cause management thinks EDM will keep them in the game.

of course no two places are alike.
trying to blanket every venue we all play in across the country with 1 ideal is fruitless.
if that was the case you could say that Friday night in the Bronx is the Same as the Do-Over in Los Angeles.... they are both hiphop events right? (for lack of better terms)

FCD brings up an excellent example where there were 3 tiers of execution to move a room into a different market.
but the question, in my case anyways, is why just execute ONE of those 3 things
and expect the results if you had done all 3.

matter of fact, one of my spots, be it packed LOWERS its cover in the summer (because its a college area which is seasonal) and because its so visible from the street they will let in 3-400 people between 9-1030 for free...never mind the barcrawl/dinner left overs.
and more so, the dress code is EXTREMELY laxed because of its location.

so, as mentioned in my original post its one thing the decide no more hiphop.
but to do none of the things to support that change of format is a bit of a nightmare for us (the DJs)
because the hiphop crowd is still coming (and we are talking 21-25 entitied white girls) and Im saying "no sorry" every damn song.

Itd be like going to get your morning coffee everyday at Dunkin Donuts.
and without changing anything you get to the counter and they hand you a sushi menu
"if your a damn sushii bar change your sign, i wouldnt have come here for my coffee now that your a sushi bar"
=Oh, no... we are still dunkin donuts... we are just serving sushi now because young trendy white people with money like sushi.

how many people would goto that counter and ask for a coffee?


I think at the end of the day, we can all agree that it takes more than flipping a format to fix a broken nightclub because of a trend in the scene.
(remember Swing nights?)
In the manner Im speaking of, is a direct "its getting too dark in here" moment at several venues, and not when Im playing Ace Hood or Two Chainz... Im talking Usher - Yeah, Get low, let me clear my throat....
like i mention.... one manger told me to change up Miley Cyrus and Selena gomez becuase of THE TEMPO!

I agree with ya on the tempo. We play the Miley & Selena remixes. We actually play a decent amount of trap remixes here. Our format is now Top 40, EDM, Cumbias, Trap, Old School, Dancehall and whatever else seems to float the customers boats.

When I say we cut out all hip hop, I'm referring the the new crap they call music today. Meek Mill, 2 Chainz, Lil Wayne ect ect - All hood garbage in my opinion.

We'll still drop some old school tracks here and there, there just won't be a 20 min set of it and it keeps the "hip hop" crowd happy for the most part. Hit em with something they know, and move it into a trap remix, and after they been drinking we can usually keep the floor going.

I wish urban music would take a turn toward change evolving a little more towards dance.

Clearly remember (well most of it) the 70's music clash over disco across race lines, and racism isn't as bad now as it was then.

Interesting article that imo indicates black dj producers haven't taken the route instead opting to mix and promote HH etc...

Tell me they're not running out of shit to rap about, c'mon

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I think at one point I had the most extreme version of this senario you can imagine. I worked for a spot where the owner would walk around and literally tell people that if they had a song the wanted, request it and i would play it immediatly, so everyones requesting hood shit and every 30 minutes or so id get the same owner come up and give me the "its kinda dark in here switch it up" but since he already told everyone the clubs policy was any request all night, so id tell em no i cant play that, theyd bitch to the manager and the manager would yell at me for denying their request, so id play their request and the SAME manager would come back up to the booth asking why im playing hood shit again.

My final straw with the venue was after some shootings nearby and them constantly bitching about the crowd i finally convinced them an all edm night is the way to go, i do two days of promoting and got an alright crowd but the word got out quick, i advertise all week show up sat and theyve book an african americans family reunion before the party so when the edm kids show up they got confused and left, i explain why that was fucked up after they bitch about it being dark and my crowd not staying through the reunion, i promote all next week EDM EDM EDM, just to show up sat to find out its the owners friends bday so they decided to hire 3 rappers who brought their suuuper ratchet crowd.

I left shortly after that, that club closed a month or so later.

Let me guess - you retained the manager as a consultant for your racial issues?

LMAO

In my area ... TEXAS ....

The problem spots are the ones with the minor to late 20's "URBAN" crowds....
There are spots with "URBAN" format with grown folks (30 and up) that have very little issues.

let's face it.... in my area "URBAN" young crowds are nothing but problems .

NM NH

Racial issues? Thats adorable, by all means go on :)

Yeah like when you have a racial problem.
Not saying you are racist, just maybe that guy is advising you. Lol:)

Nm

Same in my area, only problem with my area here is ALOT more under 30 come out than over 30. Over 30 urban crowds are fun because theyre more open to older tracks and genres....though it still bugs me when some 45 year old mother of two requests something like the stankyleg, its like come on now your better than that lol

Whats my racial problem again??

I don't know. "When confronted with an issue of race" maybe that wording is better?

Nm

bezzle and akiem racial discussion ........ #POPCORN #COOLAID #WATERMELON #FRIEDCHICKEN #CORNBREAD


**** adds gas to the fire ******

NM NH

LMFAO!!!!

all the people mentioning bars with shitty sound and a booth in the corner without any decent "EDM" lighting and such are on the money....

I'm still sitting here laughing at the bars that have clientele that have no clue how to pump their fists, and clientele that only understand ac/dc and karaoke music trying to push EDM on it when there are 20 people in their venue lol....

sigh

...let me grab a chair...

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Fully agreeing there are racial issues, I've been the DJ getting yelled at by the club owner many times over the years for playing N***** Music - MC Hammer, Michael Jackson, 2 Live Crew, Bel Biv Devoe, Biggie, etc... it doesn't change, and never will.
The real issue is that the club owners want to make money - preferably a lot of it. It is more of an issue about cultures, and who is spending the money, than race or color. If you take a room of well dressed Black, White, Latino, Mexican, Asian people who are having a good time, not causing any problems to the staff or other patrons, and are spending money, most of those club owners would be all smiles. Take one of those races and have them dressed like thugs, doing/dealing drugs, drinking outside in the car not spending any money, fighting, and harassing other patrons - doesn't matter which race - they are now hurting the club's bottom line, affecting current & future business so the guy who has the most invested (& most to lose) wants that element gone.
This is where Open Format saves the day. The key as a DJ, is to have the owner on the same page with you and to play enough of a variety to keep each group happy, but not too happy. A little Hip-Hop, a little EDM, a little Old School for the old guys at the bar buying the hotties drinks. Enough of each Genre to keep those fans of each style of music happy. They will get pumped for their music, and tolerate everything else if they know there will be more of their music coming up. Unless that is your purpose, you don't want to turn your club too Urban, or too Rave like, from a making money standpoint. You want a variety of people & cultures, preferably the higher class of each culture that is there to have fun & do lots of shots - lots and lots of money-making shots!
Damn!, I can write some long-ass posts...Sorry

well said

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Lmfao

the point is context that song is not a hood/gangster tune its a damn Hiphop Pop track that crosses over. Its not even really acceptable to play that track at a poper hiphop spot. Anyways

I also pointed out the crowd was all white there were no black poeple

.....and still started a riot and closed a club

And? We're still talking about owners not wanting hiphop right.....im waiting for someone to give me an example of a club fight breaking out over levels

The worst incidence of club violence I ever saw was between two white guys over a Sisters of Mercy (white alt/goth band) song.

Therefore we conclude....

point is the song had nothing to do with the fight. The fight was over some personal boyfriend cheating on girlfriend and it all spilling out at the night club. It just so happens a crossover hiphop song was playing. This was pre-edm days there were not fights breaking out in clubs that played commercial pop music.

Just to respond to your levels comment. I had fight at club where the format was all EDM the fight still happened between these juiced out Asian guys who were drunk. I believe that "Hello" track was playing.

Did the management blame the music then, no they blamed the bar tenders for letting them have to much to drink at that point.smh

That violent genres of music result in violence?

I have to assume you've never heard of Sisters Of Mercy. Hardly a "violent genre of music", then or now.

In the cheesy slasher-disco film "Prom Night" (the original from 1980), someone gets beheaded with an axe with the head landing in the middle of the lighted dance floor as disco music plays. Therefore, disco is a "violent genre of music".

Question...
How many shots were fired in that incident?

I just realized the irony in Bezzles avatar/pic. He truly will argue against anything at anytime, like a lawyer. Only difference is he's not getting paid........ or is he?

Alcohol. That is the real root of the problem. If you were to have a club that served nothing but kush and skunk, there would be no violence. You could play whatever the hell you wanted.



he has been doing that long before Vinny came through. He is the contrarian of this forum

I know this, been on here for a minute. Just never realized how approriate Vinny was.

Lmfao!!!! :D ya i figured it fit well lol

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Never heard this perspective presented like that. Very true!

true, my buddy was djing at an open format spot and they had a dj showcase that night. Some guy came up and requested future while an out of town dj was playing and he told him they werent taking requests that night. The guy's response was "do you like getting shot?" Let's just say it escalated quickly and police were luckily close by...

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Wouldn't you know it; another place I play sometimes!


Sidebar.
I see plenty of fights in dance rooms.
Cocaine, steroids and aggression gone wild.
(Remember the rave/plur/ festival is a lot different than the club/jerseyshore/fist pump crowd)

Them over muscular ass dudes be spazzin out sometimes

And the hits just keep on coming for this this spot!
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I can't wait to wak into this firestorm this Saturday in Pittsburgh

the things posted in this thread are so sad and disgusting. i hope we can get to a point in the future when people stop discriminating against black people...

yes - just against white people.

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Fixed. Idealist of me, but fixed.

You beat me to it

This works as well

You fellas have a nice day :)


Nm

Sooooo because hip hop music is the devil????

NM NH

Is that 2 or 3 times in the last 24 hours youve read my posts and had sexual thoughts...i need to know so i can tell wether its a crush or full blown stalking

Nh nm

^^^ Oh smit! ... a misquote counter w/o the use of a misquote. Very intuitive Mr. Bezzle.

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Lol

this is a very long discussion and from MY EXPERIENCE as a dj this is a business. the bar has to make money. the bar/club has to attract a crowd that spends money. the hiphop crowd jsut doesn't spend money so it's pointless for a business to appeal to that crowd as it's core crowd. and i'm saying this as a black dj.
the truth of the matter is the black crowd just doesn't have the spending power to keep a business going. add the fights and the drama. not majority of the crowd are animals but it just takes one or 2 fights to mess everything up. and once attention is brought to that bar/club it's over.
a business owner has invested a lot of money on his establishment and he'd be damn to jeopardize that just for the sake of pleasing the dj or the hiphop crowd. should he allow "some" hiphop? yeah i think so. but only if he rrrreally is pushed by "the money spenders".
One time at my spot we had a whole bunch of indian doctors and the owner told me that was the ultimate test to see how i handled them.. and i just totally blew him away and the doctors went crazy when i played bhangra music. everyone else was kinda lost but the indian doctors had a blast. i knew they weren't there for long so i just catered to them for that one hr. they loved the place. they loved the owner. they loved me. when they left the owner was just speechless. he told me to unleash myself all night.. which is code for play hiphop. (he has a no hiphop policy). i played nothing but hiphop all night. we were expecting a slow night but it ended up being busy. and me and him had agreed since it was gonna be slow i would charge him only half. he instead cut me a full check.

i go hard on rock music. go hard on arabic music. hard on reggaetton. hard on reggae. it really just depends on the crowd. the hiphop crowd already knows me so i please them last. they know the deal.. they kinda understand the politics. it's unpredictable how i'm gonna go. really i don't give a sh!t about the hiphop crowd cause that's me. i get tipped big time by the "other crowds". and i kind of overplay nonhiphop genres but that's ok.


if i were a club owner i'd only have hiphop on the slow nights. sunday, monday, tuesday ... maybe i would personally spin those nights being a dj.. because i can only trust myself. the weekends i'd "oversee" a white guy playing to a mixed crowd but mostly have a him playing rock. i'd get an OG white charismatic white guy. shoot.. i would even have an old school/electro/motown night instead of hiphop.
in my experience the liabilities involved with the hiphop crowd just isn't worth it. especially dealing with a drug like alcohol. i'm not saying there's no foolery in the white bars. there is. but there's a difference btwn how cops deal with a place labelled as a black place and a white place. cops will just give the black place hell because it caters to black ppl. if i were a business owner i just wouldn't wanna deal with that headache to guess whether city hall or the cops are racist or not. rather have my place full of a "safe crowd" like lawyers and money spenders and make good money without the stupid sh1t.
there are many GOOD kids 18-25, 26yrs making mistakes. i'd just rather they make their mistakes elsewhere than my establishment. i'd rather not risk my capital, liquor license on some kids who wouldn't give a fuqq whether my place is business or not. they'll just go to another place like ppl abandon p2p networks to the next one.

So i wouldn't necessarily shut hip-hop down altogether. i'd move it to the slow nights. As the economy is getting worse the foolery is getting bad too. and the racist white folks who work in the city pray something goes wrong in a "black" establishment so that they can find a reason to shut it down. at that point it would be too late for the owner to prove racism.
in my city the cops protect all the white establishments from bullsh1t but pray there's drama in a black establishment.

years back i used to play at this one spot and 2 black girls became regulars and they kicked them out. they said the bar was closing and it was midnight. i felt so bad for them because all they came to do was dance. they'd probably buy just one drink all night. some white girls didn't spend money either but the older white men would buy them drinks. so one time i got into it with the owner and stood up for the black girls.... and that was the end of me working there lol.

the bottom-line is you gotta own or run your own place to call the shots. and know how to juggle the numbers.
i always say capitalism is based on a certain ppl winning and others losing. it was based on slavery and a racist system. racism is embedded into popular culture and i don't think there a way of unwinding it.


As for alcohol... alcohol industry have influenced the law and shut down marijuana from being legal worldwide. it's simply a move for them to survive because if marijuana is made legal that would be the end of the alcohol industry and the pharmaceutical industry. you could also add the prison industrial complex as another beneficiary of marijuana being illegal. But really.. alcohol has a worse effect on ppl than marijuana. When you have a bunch of oppressed ppl in place and fill them up with alcohol it's just a time bomb waiting to happen.


that's my opinion.

aint nobody got time for that ^^^


NM NH

It's an age thing, not a race thing. SMH at some of the closeted racism in this thread.


The place I used to play last year, all young white kids, love to fight (the chicks are no exception). The biggest songs for the crowd at the time were Flo-Rida and Sia, Titanium, Starships. It's now an "EDM" bar with shitty 8" speakers, they play trap and kids with controllers jump around the stage soaking each other with booze and it's a zoo.

Another place I play is more than just dark by a bar owner's standard, it's a blackout... rewind dat chune, hardcore bassline, gold teet-side-teet-every-teet, dreads, no such thing as dress code and the music we play would terrify these owners compared to what the Sean Paul spinning "Reggae" DJs play.

The part of the city is a borough so it has it's own population of 600k people, statistically 30% white, not a good reputation. I bring black DJs, they "get on their phones and call their black friends" and more black people show up in bigger numbers. We've been going 2 years now and no problem, it's owned by older Europeans and they don't even bother hiring bouncers anymore even though the place is rammed. Because it's rammed with adults, who drink up the bar and have a good time.

Shit happens and is inevitable in some cities, but knowing how to make it work is the key.

Too many bar owners aren't thinking long term, and it shows when they think that switching up the music mid-night will automatically change the whole scene. If they had a proper game plan instead of resting everything on the DJs shoulders, they wouldn't encounter half of these problems. Who are your promoters, and where are they in all this? Why are bartenders serving idiot customers until they're on the brink of starting some shit?

This thread reminds me of the one a few years ago when someone was talking about a bar owner and said the funniest shit I ever heard. He said it was like the bar owner thought that black people have a radar, that no matter what's going on if Hip Hop is playing within in a certain radius they'll automatically infiltrate the place, take their shirts off and start waving them around like helicopters.

A lot of bar owners are cowards at the end of the day. They have no problem letting in anybody when it's slow so they can make a buck, but once it packs up the people who helped populate it aren't good enough, then they hide behind the DJ to do their dirty work.

Exactly.

Cater to adults (regardless of music format), and most of the problems go away.

Im almost positive i wrote that, if i didnt i posted riiiight under it lol

Yup, it was a josh carl quote, followed by mine

yup, see; this is the shit ive been dealing with forever.

aint nothing changed

and you were saying 'closet racists' ?

lol

You just gave me an idea that may change the club scene, and that is, instead of having an alcohol bar, clubs should have a weed bar. This is when herb gets legalized like washington, and colorado. Party goers can order their herb, and smoke in the party, with papers, blunts, or have "shots" of herb with bong hits or volcano vaporizer bags. Tea, coffee, or some other type of stimulating drinks can be serves to help keep everyone from being too lazy from too much herb.

Too prevent too much smoke from building up in the club, a fan can vent the smoke towards the outside of the building, and an air cleaner can be used.

I think this may be the new thing because I like puffing herb at a party instead of drinking alcohol all the time. Less violence will happen, and more people will get into the music. Time will tell.

Easier said than done. most adults don't go out anymore. Too busy having fuckin' kids and over-populating the world some more.

This might be a location thing. Here, you've got the 30+ crowd (what used to be considered "grown and sexy") out partying like they're 18-24 and demanding music like it too.

This

This too!!

Everyone wants to dj big rooms, every restaurant owner wants to be able to sell 100 dollar plates for dinner, and every club wants the high spending clientele...

Unfortunately you have to cater to the type of crowd that you attract... if you want a busy business then you have to adapt, you don't force things on people, you work with people. So don't complain that your old hip hop club is slow and dead now that you are playing music genres that your clientele don't like...

Just like any business, you need the right plan, form of execution, and MOST IMPORTANT, THE CLIENTELE!!!

If you want to make the money, your venue better be high end and wreak of the type of venue you want to be... Just like a restaurant..

^^^ speaking to "owners"

This has already been done. There already was a weed bar/club in the u.s. Google it. Can't remember the name of it though.

Funny.
I just had a very interesting convo with my co-worker here.
She is 40, and from Haiti.

When I showed her the articles about the spot I'm playing this weekend, she wasn't surprised, but more just like "we'll, what do u expect" they don't want the hood in their spots.

But it sparked another convo
What if other business changed things mid business day because they wanted to keep out a certain group of people.
Here at my clinic we see a lot of people with gout. And as you'll read anywhere gout is pretty much 2:1 black to white patients in the US

She goes.
Imagine if we walked out to the waiting room and saw all old black folks here for gout treatment and the dept head said... Sorry we aren't treating gout any more. But only tennis elbow and Liz franc injuries.

Of course it's a maaaaaajor stretch....
But still got me to thinking how crazy it would be if other industries could make that call 1/2 way through a day...

Yo Vito, no more capicola... It's getting a lil bit like Naples up in here...I don't care if they don't like mortadella, that's all we serve now.
(Being Italian my guilt free racist jokes are limited...lol)

the power of the doorman and lack of good ones is the problem. club owners just dont let their employees do what they need to do to and always wreck the place.

not letting rap or any kinda music take the fall for bad customers.

No amount of power at the door is gonna help if your drawing a bad clientel in general

I don't get where you see closet racism in that statement.

I think hes reading it as if you are saying since its only 30% white then its a bad neighborhood.

It's two way street. Waiters judge a dinner as someone who won't tip, give an attitude and bad service. voila - no tip.

Nm

news.yahoo.com


Ok....ill admit it....akiem maaaaay have had a point about zimmys psych disorder.....this dude has balls made of material not yet known by science

Damnit wrong thread.....awwwwkward

I actually wrote it before the statistic, but rearranged it. I was writing everything fast in comma form so as not to sound like the guy with the essay above me. Originally if you must know PM, I wrote it has a bad reputation unfortunately a lot of it has to do with media portrayal. My side company is called "Party In Scarborough" and I had to work to get it to the top of Google because a search brings up media sensationalism of past troubles out here, but then I would've strayed from the point too much. It was to suggest that even though it has a "bad reputation" we still have no problems at the bar I'm talking about even though we actually promote the music that these other bar owners are so afraid of. When FCD said he cleaned up the crowd his first point was that it went from 75% black to 50% white (SMH) so that comment was on my mind.

As I was writing I was also thinking about the fact that some bars will give the "it's getting dark in here" speech when in a place like this it's virtually impossible to have an all white bar. Whites mix with blacks mix with South Asians and so on out here, we all listen to the same music, I have a hilarious picture of a total long hair rock-on dude raising his gunfinger while singing lyric for lyric old time Ninjaman chunes "beat down the furnace" style (It's an inside joke out here about how it doesn't matter who you are, your first tape was probably a Stone Love dance). So reputation or not, even if you have the whitest of white chicks out here, you're going to have to play music that sets off the shirt waving radar.


^ see why I didn't elaborate, way to much to write at 5 in the a.m.

HAHA, yeah the follow up was gold too. One of the funniest things i ever read on the forums because of the ridiculousness of some of the attitudes towards the music or non-white patrons.

"Nah I went with my white friend Sarah and they played the ruff Ryder anthem"

LOL

That's it man, I see real dive bars on the outskirts of town trying to deny what they are while fighting the inevitable. But if you realize what you are and go about it with a proper game plan (which bars don't want to do anymore, they just want Craigslist promoters to do it for them) you can have a successful venue.

The monthly that I do has a basic age of 30+ with some low 40s scattered. The people that do the week before us have an age range of 15 years older and up and from what I hear they get even more packed than we do.

I walked in to pick up something on day and saw one of our city's legendary DJs who basically started it all with his sound crew in the late 70s-early 80s, Jamaican crew that played R&B/Funk etc, it's 4pm and he's loading in some 801s.

I hail him up and ask him what he's doing there all the way out from where he's at now (he's gotta be in his 50s now, owns a high end restaurant downtown on the most expensive street in the city) and he said "gotta do what you love"

Just realized something...I've written a few long entries in my day..... nobody ever read those things! I see something that long on here a my mind goes__________________


On to the next one.

aint nobody got time for that ^^^^

Except for the one where i elaborated to PM's comment, two of those are only a paragraph long, that's too much for you to read?

I think you should c heck out this site, it's probably more your style

twitter.com

;)

LOL I mean just look at the starting comment, if you didn't know right off the bat that this was going to be a TLDR thread, I don't know what to tell you.

I do love the shit outta twitter. Don't be salty Shamann, I just quit on ya my man. My bad.

so young ratched party goers will cause the same amount of trouble as a young pop/top 40 crowd?????? Thats bullshit!!! it's not so much about age as it is about what music you play and what crowd it draws....... To state a fact should not be considered racist in this discussion....

NM NH

LOL no salty, I was just messing with you man.


My long ass posting is the reason I can't use Twitter.

;p

ive had a crowd for 6+ years playing about 50-60% rap every week after 12. Nice club, mixed crowd, never more than 30-40% non white. they have a strict door policy, not hats, no tanks, watch who they let in, and we have about a 1 fight/altercation a year.

MOst clubs have security that doenst pay attn. Most conflicts can be averted with people watching and knowing the crowd, but most security men dont get paid and are there to mack or sell drugs.

Other clubs pack people in like sardines and end up with people jammed up and it leads to fights. that can happen anywhere.

Some clubs over serve and that causes problems.

even if a club is ran correctly, they will still be altercations, thats just human nature. However, most aren't ran correctly and the club owners blame crowds or music. industry

Altercations are going to happen , its the level of altercation that sets a hip hop crowd apart, ill easily agree theres as many fights in a top 40 club as a hiphop club...its the shootings, inside and out, that are my issue personally

In SF recently we had a doorman at Ruby Skye shot recently and they plat all "EDM".

thats the clubs fault, not the musics fault.

so it's like " guns don't kill people, people kill people"????

NM NH

basically, chicken-egg type stuff.

so if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound??????

NM NH

Yet in my area it ONLY happens at hiphop spots

Nola has some DAAAAAAAAAARK spots ...... just saying!!!!

NM NH

most of the time crime, in any color or race, is more prevalent with uneducated, lower socio economic groups.

Forget the same league, the comparisons aren't even in the same sport. That's like saying "Oh, people are having sex on the dance floor: DJ's fault."

All im saying, and i can back this up with facts and evidence, is in my city, since ive lived here, there have been about 5 seperate clubs that have started out wanting to draw a mixed,probably college age crowd, where the mixed college age crowd all demanded hiphop (the newest jeezy, gucci, and boosie), when the crowd that that attracted showed up girls stopped comming because of over aggresive guys, the guys with class followed the girls, the crowd got incredibly thugish and obnoxious and each one ended up being shutbdiwn due to a shooting. Now you can say this is the clubs fault all day but in the end you cant argue that 5 all hip hop clubs have been shut down in 5 years due to shiootings yet not one edm, country, rock, top 40 club has, and NO shootings have occured downtown since the last hiphop club downtown closed and the nearest one to go to opened up outside the city limits.


Could this be the clubs fault....sure but as an owner are you gonna risk puttin ur ass on the line for a market trend thats shown to be prone to shootings or a market where your worst stat is a fight your gonna get in either senario.

Ive worked in hophop clubs that had top knotch security and ive worked in clubd where hiphop is banned that had free cover and 1 security guard that never had a problem...personally if im a Dr with a black card im not going to the club with metal detectors and pat downs.

Lol this is a bit off topic because AS i was reading this thread im sitting as a bar in cheddars and a heavyset african american woman comes to the bar and starts screaming at the manager (also africian american) about how she was charged for all her food but the food was terrible, the manager tried to explain since she ate every bite of the food its hard to believe that..... long story short, yelling, neck rolling, finger snapping, with a conclusion of the customer failing to jump over the bar to hit the manager and throwing money at the staff while leaving and screaning every curese word in the book for bring disrespected. (Contrary to what staff says from my view this was a fail on both sides)

^noooooone of that has to do with hiphop but i laughed cause the manager turned to the white bartender and said "i hate it when it gets dark in here"...not only was that the first time ive heard that phrase used outside a club....it was said by an africian american manager lol

i see what you mean, im always of the opinion, that any type of rap/hip hop set needs to be broken up at large clubs, 3 hrs of 60-80 new stuff could def be tough. most djs just dont have the nuts to play outside of what the crowd wants to hear. im a firm believer in killing crowds at certain times, just so i can rebuild it, instead of staying at a heavy pace(edm or hip hop) all the time.

of course with young djs, and the era of 1 hr long festival sets this isnt what most people see. I get complaints all the time when i play something that is unknown or unliked to slow the pace, but within about 15 minutes people are back to dancing. damn dibby djs.

Good story, but like Mr. Goodkat said - maybe low social economic status is more to blame. You ever see a fat, grumpy white mama throw a tantrum at Wal-Mart? It gets ugly, let me tell ya!

Manager's comment was pretty funny though.

And on the other side if the fence this week:
www.boston.com

Wow, did I miss it, or did that article not one use the term EDM?

This one does.. www.bostonmagazine.com

Same shit, different decade... bbs.clubplanet.com

Wow, 10 years later my clubplanet login still works!

IMHO, theres a WORRRLLLDD of difference, both morally and im guessing legally (maybe but probably not) between a scenario where someone makes the conscience decision to injest a substance that leads to an unfortunate outcome VS going to a club and being beaten and shot just because you happened to be in the vicinity.

Im also weary of the lack of details in the article, "apparent overdose" is one of those things you see as rave propaganda storys. For example last year there was a headline about a girl who "overdosed at EDC" yet at the veeeeeryy end of the article it goes onto say that the reality was she went to edc....then died like 3 days later after going on a huge binge or other nonevent synonymous substances

Uhh.........this is awkward..............................I agree with Bezzle ......................................................................
......................andit didn't hurt as much as I thought it would.

They are night and day.
Especially to us.

But to an owner, a lawyer, an insurance company
It's a dead person in your venue.

I disagree. To a lawyer or the law, this person, most likely, willingly took the drugs. Hard to say anyone willingly got shot. Violence and drug consumption are looked at differently through the eyes of the law.

Insurance companies don't really care "how" anything happens. They care about what it will cost them. Most large, alcohol serving clubs, especially in Mass, have their liablity insurance through the "assigned risk pool", it something the state set up so that insurance companies have to insure "high risk" business. I work and own a "high risk" business in Mass, the only reason I know this. In that pool they can not deny any claim. But, the business pay out the ass to have coverage.

From my perspective, an insurance company would care way more about the factthat just about anybody could be shot in your club then the fact you may play music that may come with a drug subculture. Just saying, it ain't the same.

Whether or not the shit is racist is a totally different argument. But, I feel that drawing similarities between the two crimes is way off base.

Well, it's happend!

Impressionable old club owners this weekend came to me; and a few other guys at some decent rooms and the city and said they want no more of the "festival style EDM"

That term was only reached after 10 minutes of bickering after the initial comment of "no more dance music "
Then after explaining, so no more Rihanna, Katy perry ect?
It came down to showtek, Martin Garrix stuff like that.

Now this spot is completely separate from the no hiphop places!
They really like open format that doesn't go to extremes
Just like they don't want showtek, they don't want ace hood.

But, it admitted came on the heels of the electric zoo/zedd deaths this week
www.billboard.com

The part thought caught my eye:
" An L.A. Times investigation, published in February of this year, revealed that over the course of 10 years, at least 14 people had died at events promoted by EDC organizer Insomniac Events. Insomniac was not welcomed back to the L.A. Coliseum, and its CEO Pasquale Rotella was brought up on civil and criminal charges related to alleged financial malfeasance around the event. But none of its events were ever cancelled due to drug concerns. Insomniac announced a partial acquisition by Live Nation this June, and the civil lawsuits against Rotella and Insomniac were thrown out this past Friday (August 30)."

14 deaths, by ONE company..... That's insane.

So perhaps we are about seeing ourselves 15 years later back in that saddle we were in before; where you can't play hiphop, or dance cause the owners are too scared.
I actually remember in 1999 we had an owner ban BACKWARDS hats, and only offer the worst tap water (pulled water bottles)
Actually said: "this will keep the pill-poppers and ni****s out of here"
True story.
Don't worry, he is actually dead now. He was like 70 then.

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14 deaths, by ONE company..... That's insane.



14 outta how many million people again??

the point is, ONE promotional company.

IE
20 Deaths this year from Fast Food restaurants food poisoning.
18 were from Wienerschnitzel

thought... WTF IS Wienerschnitzel DOING!!!

if wienerschnitzel was one of the largest fast food restaurnts in the world, served millions of people in several countries, you added the companies associated with wienerschnitzel, and and their death total was 14 people in TEN YEARS, no one would bat an eye.

to put it in perspective, there has been 9 deaths in the last THREE years at disney world

9 deaths X 17 Million visitors a year x 3 years is less than .0001 % not bad odds at all

but for 14 in the last 2+ from Insomnia alone[we arent talking every festival across the world, one company] (hardly disney, and hardly doing 17 million people) Especially where Disney isnt under the radar from drug use...

come on... thats hardly a comparison worth mentioning.

although, there are over 2.5 Alcohol related deaths every year around the world.

but aint no spot trying to stop serving alcohol.

Pretty soon we are not going to be able to play any music at clubs. Imagine how many people died in the 20s and 30s after a Billy Holiday Concert of a Frank Sinatra show. Im sure people dies back then during concerts and after. Drugs at night clubs is nothing new.

Not sure what to play anymore

Watchwww.youtube.com

"Silence... music's original alternative!"

www.tmz.com

...

Watchwww.youtube.com

...

Consider me successfully deterred if this is where it's going.

what chaps me more than her DJing, is the people that are going out to see her.

you'd figure with her abortion of a socialite career people we boycot her narrow ass.
but they dont.

That article is spreading quick. My manager at one of my spots mentioned it and she said "this EDM fad needs to go away", then quips "These candy popping kids come to the club asking for water and jump around like morons, we are going to have to start serving and charging for bottle water". She isnt banning djs from playing it because she doesnt believe in putting restraints on djs but the crowd is setting the mood and are also wanting the direction to move away from the electronic scene.

I like Electronic music it would be a sad day to see the music itself disappear. Drugs and entertainment will always go hand in hand. Instead of moving away from something as soon as a problem occurs we abandon it while never realizing the problem nor taking any corrective action to protect the customers, venues, and performers.

It makes no sense to ban a type of music or a type of scene because of a few isolated incidents, these people were going to do drugs with or without EDM because they are drug users and thats the bottom line.

Lol, by 2+ you mean 10 right because thats what the article clearly says and no we arent talking every festival across the world but insomniac does hold festivals all over the world

Actually no. The lawsuit I mentioned is for the 14 deaths that happend between 2006 and 2011 while insomniac was hosting most of its event at the collesium; then when that 15 year old body washed up in the parking lot California said no more, so they moved to Vegas.
Certainly Californa prosecutors can't go after their events around the US, and all the shit that happend from 95-2005 was so underground it was hardly mainstream news

His was huge news in the dance culture a few years ago, hard to miss.

We could use this argument for the hip hop clubs as well.

I agree with you I would never ban REAL hiphop music. Keep the chief keef.lol I see no use of banning things people will just go do it somewhere else so banning things are actually more selfish. Venue owners could care less that the person actually died they just dont want people dying there.lol

Well the DOJ had announced they arent going after pot users so now its going to up to the state to legalize it or not. Once this kicks in whether in Wisconsin or any where I else I decide to move, Im going to open up a place that will not serve alcohol and you can play whatever you wanted as long as it aint some country shit. ha

Maybe open a marijuana bar when the legalize it. Play all the good bud smoking tunes for the crowd. It will be my sleepiest performance

thing about those deaths, they are only the ones that happen inside the arena. ie if you get faded on 5 hits of x and drive home, they dont include those. happened a few years ago at an edc nearby. about 4-5 people died in related accidents due to drug use at the festival, but werent officially attributed to the festival.

and?

...and the ones at Electric Zoo were and just made CNN.

drugs dont kill people! people who take drugs kill themselves and other people :)

nah man, you dont have to play that slow Bob Marley stuff. You only do that if you want the potheads to be mellow. Play the hype stuff and let the journey begin. HAHAHA

this is just the first page google pulls up




so ya lets do our best to get rid of this crazy EDM scene and bring back all this^ wonderful peace and tranquility


To put it in perspective i googled shooting at edm event and what popped up was alot of great info about photography

^ what do those hip hop shows have to do with playing rap and edm at a club. Geez bezzle, I think you caught feelings on this

google: shooting at edm show ?
LMAO


www.google.com

shit heres a rapper shot on stage!

www.theblaze.com

what do deaths at edm shows have to do with playing rap and edm at a club?

damn!! lol

Watchwww.youtube.com

^lol

sniff sniff, they making fun of my edm music

...who made fun of it? lol

essential EDM DJ skills right there...
:P

nm

Not to be funny dude, but shootings at hip hop clubs don't get national news coverage in the twenty four hour news cycle.

thats because theyre to common to be news

Reality check here, pisses me off they have legislation to stop raves because of illegal drug use, called the rave act.
Reality check 2: In 2010, there were 38 329 drug overdose deaths in the United States; most (22 134; 57.7%) involved pharmaceuticals; 9429 (24.6%) involved only unspecified drugs.

Reality check 3, its much easier to enact a bill that shows good intentions, its another to ignore a problem that kills nearly 40k people in one damned year.
They seem hell bent on stopping x but the rest of them are ok, thank you Mr Biden you have proven once again you are an idiot.

jama.jamanetwork.com
en.wikisource.org

ya the rave act was a piece of work, trying to classify water at a party as paraphernalia lol

so raves kill quadruple the people guns do - interesting

I didnt read any of the above too much to go through, but i know how you feel, I had a residency in Hoboken for 3 years, and was just recently let go, they told me they didn't want that Jersey City crowd in this bar.

So it was EDM for about 3 months, and less and less people came. I told owner "A", people were leaving because I wasn't allowed to play hip-hop, one owner said go back to hip-hop, i guess the two owners, Owner "b" didnt talk to each other and one fired me 2hours before i was supposed to go on.
Shit part is that I offered the owners to walk the strip in Hoboken to see what other sports bars were playing. They are trying to make a sports bar a club, this spot didn't even have a sub or working lighting.

So you your answer, yes, for owners managers of certain spots, they believe that EDM is the fix all. Sad part is when i video DJ'd and they saw someone of color the manager would give me this look.

I'm just bitter about being let go because manager or owners couldn't talk who was in charge of the door, or they couldnt manage who came in, and blame the music. It wasnt a club, where genre of music was specific... it was a sports bar

nationalreport.net

lol

daaamn son, you got fired for breaking the clubs rules before you even had a chance to break the clubs rules, thats next level shit, how the hell you get fired BEFORE you play...you dj so bad lol

he should have made clean video edits with no negroes in the videos
any pool offer those?

nm

lol, nah. the manager didnt have the balls to fire me on the saturday night, (Owner "B" had the manager fire me). I would have preferred the saturday night, as I wouldn't have had to commute in

LMFAO.. do they have a video edit without TI and Pharrell?

heres a decent edit
Watchwww.youtube.com

"Electronic Devil Music"

lol

I've known more than a few clubs locally that folded mainly because they catered more to the rave scene and just weren't making the liquor sales they should have - this was long before the explosion of "EDM" too.

i.imgur.com

yeah, its called country


oooooh, damn, was that offsides?

i.imgur.com

I wont mess with a sports bar. Been offered to do a weekly at one and the manager stated we do lots of rock and country. You will be able to catch all the UFC PPV fights and other PPV events. I said yay, here is a number to a guy that I know.

UFC PPV event + Sports Bar + Drunk guys in Tapout shirts = Hell.

You forgot about the two MMA smoking hot ring girls that they bring out for these events, which turns into an instant CREEP-FEST
KNOCKING THE MALE TO FEMALE RATIO BACK DOWN TO 45:1 !

funny story from my spot i was at until I deployed in 06...
I sat in meetings when they would say the exact things we all said above:
"it was kinda dark last saturday" ect ect ect

major changes a few years ago to an all dance room.
Last weekend

www.bostonglobe.com

after Zedd, I had 1 place decide to pull back on EDM
and this is a summer bar... not a major club.

its funny, you would think on either side of the coin they would implement a better staff
to combat either of the problems they might face (knife toting wanna be gangsters, or pill popping 22 yr old coke heads)

point is, it always falls back on us.
and it shouldnt.
DJs are always the scapegoat

LMAO - yup

they couldnt land a lear jet in the west side highway,....... the car game outside was crazy back then

Hahahaha

There has been a study a few years back showing rats who listen to rap music were more violent and likely to make bad life decisions. Then recently the same test was done with rats listening to edm, there was decreased violence, however the rats still made poor life decisions.