I cant wait till the DVD comes out

Someone mentioned that on another forum... So weak!

they're producers, how can you perfom electronic production live? The only group I seen do that is Daft Punk.

At least Daft Punk does twiddle some knobs that work... A midi controller that is clearly not hooked up is like Funkmaster Flex in 90's hiphop videos, pretending to rock a party and the mixer wasnt hooked up.

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Hahaha...I'm guessing you dont know what daft punk does on their shows. They dont "DJ". Its all symths, samplers, sequencers, and drum machines reproducing music live on the fly. A little more than twiddling knobs

saw daft punk last year and im a little skeptical if they do ANYTHING live.
a few weeks before the gig a mate gave us a daft punk mix cd "alive 2007 live in japan" so we were hammering it in the car for ages.

we played it on the way to the gig and when daft punk came on they played the EXACT same set as the cd we were listening to. track for track, trick for trick. who knows if they just whacked on the same cd over the p.a and pretended to tweak knobs on their space ship.

who knows if it was even really daft punk under those masks.

you gotta remember the old daft punk.....

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man these dudes are gettin paid though

i need to get into the button pushing game

first of all this wasn't a live set it was an ableton dj set
similar but different

Gaspard offers a reasonable explanation:
"Yeah, shit happens! I remember the story, I couldn't remember the city but i think it was in Manchester. I didn't noticed at first, because as you can see I was looking at the computer to launch the next vocal hook and right after I realised that the blue screen went black, so there was no way possible it could work. So I plugged it back in, big deal! And the next thing you know is this picture."

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AND! Whether they "faked their show" or not, they are still playing the dope ass songs that THEY PRODUCED!!!

So, if I layered a 20 track mixtape and play it "live" it gives me credibility? lol

If you produced a lot of original material that didn't have an artist using that material...then play it live, or reproduce it live, then yea i'd say so. Thats the thing. While they are DJs, they are producers, and thats why people go to see them. to hear their music.

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Blame the record labels etc. Justice never intended to be anything except producers. But their tracks took off and the found their self in a commercial situation where there was a demand to hear just Justice, and not a DJ playing their tracks once in a while. I have seen Justice a few times, and never was under any illusion that they were able to a live set. At the end of the day 90% of pop music artist mime in some way or another from Britney Spears to Madonna, to some Rock groups and some hip hop artist. The majority of people will want to make money in the easiest and the cheapest way possible. Its the way the world works.

Why would you fake it though? Milli Vanilli all over again. If you know when your supposed to hit a pad why not program it.

you don't have to sing.... is it that hard to layer some midi keys and punch in some drum pads? is enferno more talented live then daft or justice???? and people wonder why we don't want an automix function on serato..

Way more.

Haha...I saw them here in March, and from our vantage point in the balcony, was HIGHLY skeptical that there was anything going on besides them flicking the lights on and off in time with the music.

if you wrote and recorded all the tunes yourself then yep.

seriously? do you pre record your gigs or map them out completely in advance... talent is being able to do this shit live... just making money is a different story, but why fake it.

HELL NO! Are you kidding me? You really think Enferno is more talented than Daft Punk? Seriously?

LOL...I'm getting the notion that everyone here thinks Justice is a 2 man DJ group, when they're not. Also, I'm guessing not everyone read the thread all the way through.

"Yeah, shit happens! I remember the story, I couldn't remember the city but i think it was in Manchester. I didn't noticed at first, because as you can see I was looking at the computer to launch the next vocal hook and right after I realised that the blue screen went black, so there was no way possible it could work. So I plugged it back in, big deal! And the next thing you know is this picture."

Theres already been an explanation

I love DP...but, yes. I do.

And that's why groups like the roots are true dopeness.

Just as a DJ? Or musically.

They're making that kind of scratch, touring the world playing these huge shows, and they can't afford a $10 AC adapter so they're not running that MPD24 off of USB bus power?

Maybe I'm the over-prepared type, maybe it's from playing in bands, but I have doubles of every kind of connection quickly available on hand, and if it can be powered externally, it is.

Also, wouldn't you need to restart whatever software you were using if this happened?

To be honest, they're both very different and good at what they do. I just think that Enferno is one of a kind when it comes to live shows. What Daft Punk does live (and I'm assuming that they're actually DOING it) can be pulled off by anyone. Their music is great, no doubt, but I'm talking about live performance here. Enferno > Daft Punk, IMO.

Yo, Justice doesn't hook up their equipmet. They'd rely on the venue/promoter to have things per their contract. How many of us are checking all the wires at the club if you find all the equipment as you requested?

they should go back to playin indie rock with all the other hipster djs with the sideways haircuts....this indie dance rock crap is going the same way of electroclash and other fly by night fads

as a live act..... if you gave enferno the multi million dollar laser light show, with his live skills then i would show more interest, but thats just me... i would like to enjoy the live talent, not hear the same production i heard on my drive there that came out of the studio. LIVE means actually doing something live to contribute to the show... thats the point of being "live" we didn't come to see you turn some knobs to eq the pre-recorded album some more and through in some phasers like you local guitar center regular, hire some lighting and visual guy to do your lights while you actually apply yourself to your set.

Yeah I understand that, but I'm assuming there's a bare minimum of computer-related stuff (i.e. a laptop with their multi-tracks) they're bringing to every show...unless part of their rider is having the CD inserted in the club's sound system and ready to go. haha.

lol...seems like that's the case.

*shrug*

I would still double check that ish, especially if it's a cable right in front of you, but it's just me.

So they don't actually DJ. then why fake it. I would just stand their and be a fucking wavie while talking to the crowd about how dope my music is.

on that note:

I spun at a club in hollywood more than a couple of years back and was shooting the shit with the sound guy. The sound guy proceeds to tell me that Van Dyke was the last person to touch the decks. I thought that was cool and I told him. He then proceeds to laugh in my face and tell me Van Dyke literally plugged in his laptop and push play... nothing else. I told the sound guy that was the dopest thing i've ever heard since he got paid a LARGE amount for doing nothing. And remember that this was the time, huge house djs were gettting paid 5 figures for clubs.

it's rather sad how lazy programs like ableton have made people - especially considering what kind of cool things you can actually do in Live that would be comparable to a true "live" performance (triggering effects in a pre-arranged set doesn't count as live to me) or even worse, "djing" with ableton...

Guys like Enferno and Lamont on the DJ side are amazing.

But check out some of the non-DJ live performers too like Kid Beyond, Nicholas Bates, and tons others that use ableton in conjunction with actual live instruments looping and effecting the music they're making in realtime.

they're not faking it. they dj with ableton and the cable just so happened to slip out. it happens

reconnect cable- go on with the show- no biggie


and their live sets they are actually taking pieces of multiple songs and layering them upon each other live, so really it is live. no 2 shows are exactly alike

well true, but it's different using say ableton to mix a bunch of tunes you produced yourself, layers, etc. cuz you MADE the tunes. if you're a producer only, but make badass tunes and can't mix records, you still have to find a way to make them work in a live situation. making a mixtape of other people's shit ain't even the same thing as making a mixtape of your own shit. that's sorta what i meant.

they can do the turntable bit too. they do dj also

how can you guys really tell what daft punk does live? they've been stuck in that pyramid since forever and the most recent clip of em performing with kanye @ the grammys...that ish looked pretty cool

I could really care the fuck less..

get that money!!! whoever you are.

I didn't think that was really them performing with Kanye...besides...it looked like they were just pushing buttons on some blinking console. Like the deathstar laser scenes in star wars or something.

I think it would take me all of, oh, 0.3 seconds to realize that the input on my midi controller isn't getting to my laptop.

Waddup Sal!

I played with MSTRKRFT before that last show we were at and they do DJ. I still think its funny how producers get booked to DJ. If you're a good DJ and can rock a crowd, great! If not, give your tracks to a DJ who can so they can rock it for you.

^^^ Yeah... Too many good producers who cant DJ get booked all the damn time.

If they are producing material without the need to an artist to sing or rap...why shouldnt they be able to tour like an artist and make that kind of money?

I saw the Chemical Brothers back in 1999 and it was a mind-blowing show. From what I could tell, they were reconstructing the tracks from scratch. I was really impressed at how it seemed like they were jamming out their tracks--nothing sounded like the album version. I guess they made loops of each individual track from each song??? And they had LOADS of equipment--it looked like a labyrinth on stage. Tom was pretty much posted up the whole show at a giant mixer while Ed ran around triggering samples and shit; he was even drumming out parts with drum sticks for some tracks.

Doing live electronic music is tough but not impossible. Impressive when it's done well, disappointing when someone's fakin the funk.

Sniffles just doesn't get it... that microwave. lol

Get what? They're producers....

like society said, i guess i keep thinking about the chem bros times... im sure most of you would say that a motley crue concert is way more fun then a britney spears concert in both jamming and also live material.

I guess some people just go for the performer as a person... i would rather go for the performer and for their live material. But maybe thats just me :)

Still have respect for you though, sniff's.. :)

^ it's way easier now with programs like ableton. not to say it's not a lot of prep and work involved but Live makes things so much easier than they used to be...

They already explained it but it seems like people ignore the posts.

That, and I've seen a lot of these groups perform, and most of the time I'll make my way behind the group somehow so I can scam. I dunno if you've seen or heard a Justice set but they do a lot of reconstructing. Also, for the groups that SPIN their sets, instead of reworking in Ableton and whatever, they do a pretty good job at that also. So...I dunno.

Explaining vs giving an excuse... which is which? :P

the video of them at 'I love techno' is jokes...all the bearded twat does is come up and touch the eq's while the other guy 'mixes'

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the video of them at 'I love techno' is jokes...all the bearded twat does is come up and touch the eq's while the other guy 'mixes'

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WACK

That's a Lemur, they look sweet, but cost $$$.

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they're wearing candian tuxedos in that photo

"If I come to your show and I see you're wack, now you sound more wack on tape."

Is it just me or does it look like those dudes need to get some sleep? Maybe they were too tired and forgot to plug in the midi controller, oops!

This is all bullshit. You don't forget to plug something in cause if you've ever performed live you'd know a proper sound/equipment check is in order.

Looking at this photo and the youtube footage above, I wonder if the bearded guy (Xavier?) can't do shit live? Maybe he's like their Milli and Vanilli all wrapped up in one. I could be wrong, and maybe he takes care of all the studio stuff and the other dude heads up their live shows, but the common thread here seems to be that Beardo isn't on the ball in their live shows.

For the record, I think [CROSS] is an AMAZING album.

Excellent point--who doesn't notice that their MIDI controller isn't working before they actually start playing??

dude, when you're that young (those guys are like 22?), touring the world, making the amount of cash and getting the notoriety that they're getting, I'm sure there are some "extraneous factors" contributing to the forgetfulness during their sets...

*sniff*

haha, forget to actually perform

tey're actually a littl older than that. The big mustache dude is like 30 yrs old. Other one is 26

What a couple of Douchebags. I have "0" respect for EDM music at this point.
These cat's looked so coked up it's scary.


You EDM cats should keep playing their stuff. But when you do... Remember you're feeding that coke habit! LOL

oh cmon. you know thats BS.

you do realize they plugged in in 5 minutes after the fact? there are pictures to prove it...

My buddies band played a couple of shows in europe with them. he said theyd get like 40000 and would just press play on their ipod more or less. I guess just playing an ipod isnt enough so they upped their act for a nice pay raise.

lol, funny coz it's true.