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New Denon 3900 is OUT!

Taipanic 4:09 PM - 20 February, 2012
Denon DJ is proud to introduce the SC3900: Digital Turntable and Media Controller with 9-inch Active Platter that exactly mirrors the feel of vinyl, the SC3900 brings home that familiar feel but with the choice of CD, USB, Software, or even a networked Media server as your source of tracks.

“The 9-inch platter makes scratch moves more nimble by being that little bit smaller, but maintains the perfect amount of space to grip it, scratching & mixing tracks feels no different than using vinyl” --DJ Switch, SC3900 endorsee and 3x World DMC Champion.

Playback and scratch tracks from a myriad of sources including USB ‘sticks’ or USB Hard Disk Drives via the top mounted USB port. This allows the move from venue to venue with just a single USB device and not a laptop or CD collection, although the SC3900 can also playback CDs via the front loading CD slot, giving you true flexibility of your media choices. Complete with the ability to be MIDI mapped to work with a wide variety of software, without having to use time code CDs.

The SC3900 also comes complete with the brand new ‘Engine’ music management software that allows you to prepare music on a USB device, playback music through Engine PC or Mac software, and control via networked players or even through a network connected iPad.
For performers who can’t or don’t want to choose between software, vinyl, CD, and digital media as well as those who want the ability to use one controller that doesn’t rely on a high-spec computer to perform, the Denon DJ SC3900 is the player that you have been waiting for.
DJ Unique 4:11 PM - 20 February, 2012
What about native in SSL.
That's what I'm interested in.
DJ Louie Atlanta 4:16 PM - 20 February, 2012
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What about native in SSL.

That's what I'm interested in.

Exactly! +1
BigDookie 4:17 PM - 20 February, 2012
thats a no go...

usa.d-mpro.com
Rebelguy 4:38 PM - 20 February, 2012
So what is the benefit of this unit for Serato users? It seems like the 3700 would still be a solid choice and probably cheaper now that this unit is released.
DJ Unique 4:39 PM - 20 February, 2012
I don't think midi mappable will make the platter spin. No need to give up my S3700's unless these 3900's work native in SSL.
BERTO 4:50 PM - 20 February, 2012
Couldnt you use a usb drive with serato tone and midi map everything?
mle 4:58 PM - 20 February, 2012
Hybrid MIDI mode for SSL. LED's are gonna work too...
Taipanic 6:24 PM - 20 February, 2012
Yeah, it looks like hybrid mode with full MIDI mapping. For my style of mixing the platter control is good enough for me. Might have to move my 5500s to second string if all of the other features pan out. The networked player concept looks cool, will have to check it all out.
Dj Wunder 8:44 PM - 20 February, 2012
I'm done. I'm done with warped vinyls, done with needles, done with dust, done with club vibrations jacking up the timecode, done with 25LBS turntables.

3900 ftw!!
Rebelguy 8:51 PM - 20 February, 2012
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I'm done. I'm done with warped vinyls, done with needles, done with dust, done with club vibrations jacking up the timecode, done with 25LBS turntables.

3900 ftw!!


So you are planning on bringing your own gear to every club event?
Logisticalstyles 8:51 PM - 20 February, 2012
It does look impressive. I wouldn't mind testing one out.
dj-freestyle 8:54 PM - 20 February, 2012
Love my 3700's. blow cdjs out the water i think
DJ Eighty 8 8:55 PM - 20 February, 2012
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I'm done. I'm done with warped vinyls, done with needles, done with dust, done with club vibrations jacking up the timecode, done with 25LBS turntables.

3900 ftw!!


Done with Denon bringing out new products and throwing old products by the waste side. If these should fail on you at your event your pretty much assed out.......
dj-freestyle 8:58 PM - 20 February, 2012
Every company does that when they get something new and denon has worked hard in last few months to offer way better u.s customer support. when you call the suppport number somebody answers right away so i think they are trying. they have heard the complaints.
BriChi 9:25 PM - 20 February, 2012
had the 37's, were buggy as hell when released, bought the cdj2000's and never looked back. Hopefully for Denons sake the 3900's are bug free, although it doesn't seem it from the video they put out
Dj K.Smith 9:54 PM - 20 February, 2012
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Love my 3700's. blow cdjs out the water i think

+1
Dj K.Smith 9:55 PM - 20 February, 2012
I don't see what the major difference is between the 2 units. For 1K/unit, I don't think I'll be upgrading anytime soon...
Dj Wunder 10:29 PM - 20 February, 2012
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I'm done. I'm done with warped vinyls, done with needles, done with dust, done with club vibrations jacking up the timecode, done with 25LBS turntables.

3900 ftw!!


So you are planning on bringing your own gear to every club event?


No, I travel as light as possible. Which is why on mobile gigs and venues that require my gear, these will be weapons of choice.


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Done with Denon bringing out new products and throwing old products by the waste side. If these should fail on you at your event your pretty much assed out.......


?? No I'm not. I'm quite proficient in Internal Mode, never had a set go down in flames because of the players. Durability DOES worry me though, it's something to consider when my $400 12 year old TT's have never been to the shop once, and these $1K toys will most likely have to go every few years...
BriChi 11:51 PM - 20 February, 2012
I'm just confused on how you guys think these blow the cdj's out of the water, LOL... All the 3900's have over cdj's are a spinning platter which can't even be used to pitch bend properly like a real turntable, So I guess if you are strictly a hip hop dj that scratches a lot and prefers spinning vinyl, then the 3900's are better for that, but if you are that into scratching, i would think you would still be on Tech 1200's
BriChi 11:52 PM - 20 February, 2012
and I agree with KSmith on this too, i don't see the major difference, they took the 3700 and added networking capabilities that Pioneer has been doing for almost 2-1/2 years now (so was devon with the 5500)
DJ Unique 12:07 AM - 21 February, 2012
For me, the only reason I would consider these would be if it was native in SSL. I don't see any other reason to replace my S3700's.
Dj K.Smith 12:32 AM - 21 February, 2012
3700's still work, so no need to change them out...
Dj Wunder 12:44 AM - 21 February, 2012
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... All the 3900's have over cdj's are a spinning platter which can't even be used to pitch bend properly like a real turntable...


As someone who's interested in purchasing these, I'm interested as to what makes you say this?
skinnyguy 12:47 AM - 21 February, 2012
as long as they work with mixemergency....
dj-freestyle 12:57 AM - 21 February, 2012
To me active platter makes all the difference in the world. Cdjs are nice for just mixing but to me thats it. Ive used both alot and love my 3700 way more. Coming from turntables it is such a better feel. i think denon builds a superior product for half the price. just my opinion.
BriChi 1:09 AM - 21 February, 2012
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... All the 3900's have over cdj's are a spinning platter which can't even be used to pitch bend properly like a real turntable...


As someone who's interested in purchasing these, I'm interested as to what makes you say this?

to elaborate a little more, coming from turntables also for a solid 20 years of steady dj'ing, The platters on the 3700 do not react for pitching the way you would want, for scratching they are great, but to mix dance, you're not bending via the platter. If you try to pick the spindle to slow down, either nothing happens or the plater completely stops from trying too hard, very inconsistent. Try to glide your fingers along the side of the platter has the same results, either no reaction or kills the movement totally. Plus, if you wantd to do a quick spin back at the end of a mix or a spin back where it slowly spins down like real vinyl or a CDJ, good luck, it just gives you a constant speed spin and then stops, Yes I have tried different mats, sheets etc.... under the vinyl and it all sounds like crap in my opinion.

I do agree the 3700 "now" is a solid deck for hip hop guys or dj's who don't mind clicking buttons to pitch bend. Denon has always just left a bad taste in my mouth, each release of their players I have bought was filled with show stopping bugs that tools months, and 1 bug up to a year to finally fix. I dj at least once a week, mostly 2-3 each weekend, I cannot use decks that have these type of bugs. I have tried each of their releases, the 3500/5500 and 3700 and struck out all 3 times when they were released. I just can't keep trying out decks each time denon releases something, I mean shit, even in there demo video the deck shows a similar bug that the 5500 and the 3700 had where when you press play, the platter jumps quick and stops, 2-3 clicks and it finally went, you think they would have edited that out of the video, LOL.

One of the main reasons I still stick around the denon world is I have to keep some on hand for other dh's to use at times that do prefer them, Plus I get along great with Silvio who has helped me out a lot in the past when i was having issues with the decks. Hope the 3900 is a success for them but it's just not for me, there is nothing it does that i haven't been doing with my 2000's or 900's for the last 2-1/2 years, Yes it has iPad support, but with the 2000's, the screens are big enough, i don't need to hook up an iPad for a monitor
Rebelguy 1:12 AM - 21 February, 2012
I think Denon builds a decent product for the price but if I had the money I would take the CDJ-2000s any day over the 3700s. Main reasons for me.

1. Native Support in SSL
2. Way better resale value.
3. The only CD deck requested on Touring DJ riders. If you rent your gear you can easily make money renting them out to clubs in you area.
4. The things are just easy to use and navigate. Denon's layouts are a mess on most of their products. I don't need or want a hundred different gimmicks on my decks.
BriChi 1:13 AM - 21 February, 2012
dh's = dj's
that tools months = that took months

damn auto correct!!!
Dj Wunder 2:44 AM - 21 February, 2012
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... All the 3900's have over cdj's are a spinning platter which can't even be used to pitch bend properly like a real turntable...


As someone who's interested in purchasing these, I'm interested as to what makes you say this?

to elaborate a little more, coming from turntables also for a solid 20 years of steady dj'ing, The platters on the 3700 do not react for pitching the way you would want, for scratching they are great, but to mix dance, you're not bending via the platter. If you try to pick the spindle to slow down, either nothing happens or the plater completely stops from trying too hard, very inconsistent. Try to glide your fingers along the side of the platter has the same results, either no reaction or kills the movement totally. Plus, if you wantd to do a quick spin back at the end of a mix or a spin back where it slowly spins down like real vinyl or a CDJ, good luck, it just gives you a constant speed spin and then stops, Yes I have tried different mats, sheets etc.... under the vinyl and it all sounds like crap in my opinion....


Hmm. That was my assessment of the 3700 too. I think I was looking forward to the new platter on the 3900 stepping up. Time will tell.
damehype 4:33 AM - 21 February, 2012
The 3700s do have adjustable brake speed, I'm assuming the 3900 will also
BriChi 1:57 PM - 21 February, 2012
and once again Denon has showed me one more time why I cant stand them, i give an honest response to someone asking me why I am on their forum which my answer was, I like answering questions and giving my honest feedback from what I have used and sold and so on, And I get banned for a month, LOL Unreal, Not that I will miss their forum but I just think it's funny that the geeks that run that forum think they are tough guys because they can hit a banned button. I hope they read this too!!!

I even emailed "denon"

"Just an FYI, You should have Denon consider making their own forum soon, The forum is a major downfall of the Denon name, I got banned again for a month for defending myself on what JJ had responded to me, I think its a joke and honestly, It's hard to defend anything from a Denon point of view or use the gear when you get banned for giving honest info that was not even bashing the denon product or name. i know you guys keep saying that that is an unofficial forum, but you do link to it from the site so 99% of people think its denons. Anyway, Hope all is well and good luck with the 3900 release"

honestly, how can I promote or buy their gear when you get treated like shit from a customer service point of view on "their" forums... If they want to keep saying its not our forum, then stop telling everyone to go there for help
Rebelguy 3:06 PM - 21 February, 2012
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honestly, how can I promote or buy their gear when you get treated like shit from a customer service point of view on "their" forums... If they want to keep saying its not our forum, then stop telling everyone to go there for help


+1

I made the same comment recently and Silvio's response was the usual it is not an official forum. I think Silvio just stays out of most of these discussions now and hope they just die out. If things do get to heated then one of the Denondjforums regulars or mods will show up to justify their actions.

Hopefully one day Denon (the company) will start their own forum.
The Version Suicides 3:20 PM - 21 February, 2012
if you go to 21:46 on this video, I believe there is a bit of hope for this product.

www.youtube.com

Just FYI.
BriChi 3:26 PM - 21 February, 2012
what hope do you see? Serato is still in REL mode so they are just using the "HYBRID" mode from denon which is still just a control signal and it allows you to plug in a usb cable too to map buttons, the 3700 did the same thing
BriChi 3:27 PM - 21 February, 2012
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Hopefully one day Denon (the company) will start their own forum.


yup, lets hope
Rebelguy 3:31 PM - 21 February, 2012
I found it even more interesting that the "unnofficial" denondjforums.com had an advance unit and made a walk-thru video of the product. Does Denon even have their own "official" videos of this new release?
The Version Suicides 3:32 PM - 21 February, 2012
I understand what you're saying. But the fact that they're showing off Serato and not Engine in the upcoming preview video gives me a bit of hope.
The Version Suicides 3:38 PM - 21 February, 2012
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I found it even more interesting that the "unnofficial" denondjforums.com had an advance unit and made a walk-thru video of the product. Does Denon even have their own "official" videos of this new release?


The official video comes out in March if you watch the video at the time stamp I posted.

I REALLY doubt they are gonna just come out with an updated 3700 with a music manager for Mac & PC without having something to bring to the table up against the Pioneer models.

It's gotta be native for something or it may tank very quickly.

I'm not trying to flare up this thread at all. Just hoping that they have the good business sense to appeal to the Serato market since they're pushing the "CDJ for Turntablists" angle.
dj-freestyle 4:31 PM - 21 February, 2012
if you like pioneer then use pioneer. pretty simple and what whole comment about not being able to udjust pitch using platte ris dead wrong. you have to adjust the screws and get the plate were you want it and then you can use the record to slow or speed up just like a 1200. i use mine one 4 shows a weekend.
dj-freestyle 4:58 PM - 21 February, 2012
Serato didnt support hybrid mode for the 3700, i wonder if they will for 3900 and 3700 now?
BriChi 4:59 PM - 21 February, 2012
ok, if you read anything I posted on Denons forum, oh wait, they deleted it....

I am forced unfortunately to keep both on hand for dj's that like the 3700's, you know, the 1 out of every 100, I played with the screws and tried different mats underneath, I like to drag my fingers along the dots of the platter like most dj's do to slight pitch down, good luck with that, tried a bunch of different options and no luck

I do use Pioneer for all MY gigs but again, I keep a bunch of each of the popular players on hand .... Like I have said a million times, I use what I like, not what people tell me to use, 2-1/2 years never had a show stopping issue, when I bought the 3700's on day 1 of release, couldnt get through 1 job without a deck freezing because of bass vibration while the deck was paused, which again, Denon fixed a year later.

none of this is worth arguing over, its a damn cd player for christ sakes, my point recently was that Denons "unofficial" forum needs to be dealt with by Denon, it gives them a bad reputation for something they claim they have nothing to do with
dj-freestyle 5:02 PM - 21 February, 2012
I get it, trust me. to each his own. i had nothing but issues with my cdjs and none with my 3700's so i think each perosn has his own storys. Ive been djing 20 plus years and we have used denon always with no issues so i stick to it plus non active platters drive me nuts tho i do own a ns6 and love it so go figure.
DJ PopRoXXX 5:30 PM - 21 February, 2012
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I'm just confused on how you guys think these blow the cdj's out of the water, LOL... All the 3900's have over cdj's are a spinning platter which can't even be used to pitch bend properly like a real turntable, So I guess if you are strictly a hip hop dj that scratches a lot and prefers spinning vinyl, then the 3900's are better for that, but if you are that into scratching, i would think you would still be on Tech 1200's

+1!

They look pretty cool and I have played on Denons before - but I totally agree with this
dj-freestyle 5:41 PM - 21 February, 2012
Statement above makes no sense but ok.
Rebelguy 5:59 PM - 21 February, 2012
I really have given Denon many chances to earn my loyalty as a customer.

I have owned:

DN-X1500 - Bad fader lag. Got majorly hot. Ultimately they introduced an updated model and did not fix the problems with the original.

DN-S5000 - Interesting concept but got tired of dealing with all the Macgyver fixes needed to get this thing to work.

DN-S3700 - Bought them from the beginning. Freezing issues. Skipping issues. No fixes until a year later and still problems.

Currently I have a DN-X1600. Decent mixer for the price but is nowhere close to the quality of the DJM-900 that they claim is an inferior product.
Rebelguy 6:03 PM - 21 February, 2012
Damn hit send by mistake.

Anyway, the 1600 is my last purchase from them. The main reason, the forums. At this point I don't care if their products had magic in them which transformed me into the best DJ in the world. I would rather continue being a bad DJ
Taipanic 6:20 PM - 21 February, 2012
What interests me most about the new deck is the whole media server/Ipad integration. If it works like it should, it could bring back a more pure form of DJing, relying on the hardware more than the software. These days, I mostly only touch the Macbook to type in the search window. If these controllers can do everything I need without a laptop, then great. As with anything, it won't be the end-all solution for DJing - I also do a lot of video as well so the Hybrid/MIDI features are also essential to me. It looks to be a continuing cycle of improvement of Denon's products, from the 5000-5500-3700 line but as with anything these days, I can't have a true opinion until I test them out.
WarpNote 6:24 PM - 21 February, 2012
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I don't care if their products had magic in them which transformed me into the best DJ in the world. I would rather continue being a bad DJ

LOL!
dj-freestyle 6:40 PM - 21 February, 2012
loved my 1500, loved my s5000, loved my 3700, love my 1600 mixer and never any issues so strange how that happens and also love my denon midi controller.
Rebelguy 6:50 PM - 21 February, 2012
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loved my 1500, loved my s5000, loved my 3700, love my 1600 mixer and never any issues so strange how that happens and also love my denon midi controller.


Very strange as most of the issues I stated have been documented by many other users. Guess you got lucky.
WarpNote 7:02 PM - 21 February, 2012
Had bad experience with the x1500, but really like x1600 and x1700, and dig my HC1000s.
Bbut yeah, Pioneer will still hold the "CD player" market, me thinks....
BriChi 7:20 PM - 21 February, 2012
the HC1000S was great when I had one, no issues with that one
J.J. 7:50 PM - 21 February, 2012
What was your reply to me BriChi?
BriChi 7:58 PM - 21 February, 2012
it was actually pretty pleasant JJ, I'm assuming your the same JJ from denon forums?

I saw your post about "if you use pio then why are you here" and I was just responding how I use both Pio and Denon at times and blah blah blah but I guess one of the mods didnt like something in the post and deleted it, so i responded again to them and then they banned me, LOL

I also PM'd ya on the denon forum but I am not sure if you got it or responded because again, i cant get back in, not that I mind, lol...

pretty much my PM to ya was the same, just that I wasnt trying to cause issues just letting users know issues I had with previous decks and that hopefully Denon works out the kinks before the 3900's drop next month
The Version Suicides 8:15 PM - 21 February, 2012
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loved my 1500, loved my s5000, loved my 3700, love my 1600 mixer and never any issues so strange how that happens and also love my denon midi controller.


Very strange as most of the issues I stated have been documented by many other users. Guess you got lucky.


I have used many different pieces of gear that had "documented issues" but I didn't have them myself. I've also had issues that I never found in forums yet the tech support people said "yeah, we've had a few problems with that".

Who knows, I guess.
BriChi 8:24 PM - 21 February, 2012
a lot of forums will delete posts of known issues so it doesnt look bad for new users browsing, there are issues that are based solely on environments too, so me have an issue with the 3700 freezing around areas with a little heavy bass would obviously not be an issue for lets say, a bedroom dj
The Version Suicides 8:46 PM - 21 February, 2012
Understood.

I started using isolator pads with my turntables, 3700, etc. for awhile to get rid of any vibration issues from venue to venue. I've been using isolator pads as long as i've been playing out, so maybe that's why I never had that issue.
J.J. 8:49 PM - 21 February, 2012
I've helped, suggested and complained on that forum since 2004. All was good until Gary started banning me in 2009. Everything I said helped to improve Denon products. I had to rephrase how I said things.

Bought the DN-2600f and loved it. I still have it with no problems. It even reads scratch CD's that my other players won't.

I've purchased most Denon mixers with no problems. I'm surprised the X1500 gets that Hot without any problems. My DN-X800 features 4 digital ins and X-Effect which isn't even on mixers today.

Bought the DN-S5000 and loved it. Alpha was genius! Amazed they updated the firmware to add MP3 support. They even sent me a 45 adapter for FREE 1 year after I bought it. Sold it for $50 less than what I bought it for.

Bought the DN-S3500 and hated it. Everything worked but the sticker drift at 00:00 ruined it for me. They finally fixed it but I couldn't stand the site of them anymore.

Bought the DN-HS5500 and was amazed. ALPHA and Sharing songs on multiple drives was nice. To my surprise, no one bought it and they prematurely discontinued it. However, through an update, they added a bug that glitched MP3's at random. Denon said no more updates and I was outraged never to buy another Denon product ever again. In the end, they did fix the problem and all was good again. I sold it for $75 less than what I paid for them and purchased two DN-S3700. LOVE THEM. My wish is instant platter response instead of waiting for the platter to get to 33rpm. I believe the 3900 does this now. Although I'm still not sure if LED button support is from MIDI out from Serato in 2.5?

I am tired of switching devices and software that only certain hardware can read. For instance, all my Cues and Loops from the 5500 are now useless. THIS IS THE SOLE REASON I USE SOFTWARE LIKE SCRATCH LIVE.
BriChi 8:59 PM - 21 February, 2012
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Bought the DN-2600f and loved it. I still have it with no problems. It even reads scratch CD's that my other players won't.


yeah, man, the 2000F, 2500 and 2600 were the best duals ever made, owned and love them too
dj-freestyle 9:58 PM - 21 February, 2012
@jj, you said your 3700 have to get to 33rpm is that from stop mode i assume. i have no lag from stop to start. I wonder if maybe they fixed it on new 3700, mine are only a few months old. could be i guess.
BriChi 10:15 PM - 21 February, 2012
hey freestyle, its not the lag from start to stop, I believe what jj is saying is that you can't hit play and quickly start a scratch or trick, you had to wait for the vinyl to hit full speed before you can interact with it

from what i just read on the unofficial denon forum, yes, this was fixed in the 3900

QUESTION:
is the platter behaviour the same as previous models : press play and wait for the platter to make 1/3 a turn before you can grab it ? Or now is it possible to press play while holding the platter ?

ANSWER:

You can now adjust the start up time to hold the vinyl and press play as you wish.
Dj K.Smith 10:36 PM - 21 February, 2012
Still don't see these things as a reason to spend 1k for a new deck. It looks sexy but until it's talking to me sexy while I'm scratching on it, I'll keep my 3700's... So far so good...
Rebelguy 11:15 PM - 21 February, 2012
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Still don't see these things as a reason to spend 1k for a new deck. It looks sexy but until it's talking to me sexy while I'm scratching on it, I'll keep my 3700's... So far so good...


For some reason I was thinking they were going to be cheaper.
J.J. 11:55 PM - 21 February, 2012
That is what I was saying BriChi. 1/3 spin before you can grab it.

BriChi. Did you see this?

"Can you now use the spindle to slow the platter down like you can on a turntable or drag your finger along the platter? I remember that being a big gripe for many with the S3700."

Silvio: "Yes, with the new higher torque motor and platter design."

Oh snap. What are your thoughts on this?
BriChi 12:59 AM - 22 February, 2012
yeah, I saw that over on their forum, pretty cool that they fixed that for the new deck.

J.J., you the "JJ" from over on the denon forum?
J.J. 3:01 AM - 22 February, 2012
Nah. That guy is an ass-whole.
BriChi 3:24 AM - 22 February, 2012
hahaha, ok cool, just checking,
BriChi 3:26 AM - 22 February, 2012
but that was the JJ i was referring to when I said "what JJ had responded to me", Wasn't you, was that guy on the D-Forum
prizo 3:35 AM - 22 February, 2012
thank you jj, for being so unbiased and really trying to get down to brass tax. I am so sick of people repping this company and that. I want a quality product that does exactly what it says it does. Thats it! I am thinking I may just be purchasing a pair of 3700s instead. Anyone want to sell me theirs?
prizo 3:36 AM - 22 February, 2012
you guys see this on that post about sc3900?

For Serato, there will be LED feedback (thats new) with .xml file provided.

I wonder if we can get that xml file and tweak 3700s
BriChi 3:57 AM - 22 February, 2012
prizo, I think they said they couldn't do it for the 37's, Check the denon forum thread they have, people did ask the same question
BriChi 4:01 AM - 22 February, 2012
and prizo, if you do get an answer, can you post here too, I know people curious about this too. I would assume though that the answer will be no (unless you use 3rd party pc software to light them up)
BriChi 4:30 AM - 22 February, 2012
and just an FYI to my above posts, I spoke with Silvio from Denon who actually agreed with me that nothing was really wrong with my posts and had my "ban" lifted... Thanks Silvio, you da man!
Silvio Z 5:04 AM - 22 February, 2012
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and just an FYI to my above posts, I spoke with Silvio from Denon who actually agreed with me that nothing was really wrong with my posts and had my "ban" lifted... Thanks Silvio, you da man!


NP Brichi, there's always a solution to any problem or issue.
If anyone else here ever has a future problem with this unofficial forum, please contact me.
Silvio Z 5:09 AM - 22 February, 2012
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you guys see this on that post about sc3900?

For Serato, there will be LED feedback (thats new) with .xml file provided.

I wonder if we can get that xml file and tweak 3700s



Prizo, I really dont know if that would work, but JJ said there will be MIDI Out available soon for Scratch Live. If thats true, then you will be able to light up the S3700 or any MIDI device.
Silvio Z 5:18 AM - 22 February, 2012
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had the 37's, were buggy as hell when released, bought the cdj2000's and never looked back. Hopefully for Denons sake the 3900's are bug free, although it doesn't seem it from the video they put out


Brichi, did you want to extend your thoughts on the CDJ2000's regarding bugs and updates ?
prizo 6:30 AM - 22 February, 2012
silvio,
besides the midi out and better platter response, are there any other real benefits of this new device compared to 3700 when using ssl?

How is the response and the durability of the new plastic buttons? I have a ns6 and gone through 2 cue buttons already. I hate plastic buttons, at least numark's plastic. That could very well be a deal breaker for me. Hence why I like the 3700
Rebelguy 7:05 AM - 22 February, 2012
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had the 37's, were buggy as hell when released, bought the cdj2000's and never looked back. Hopefully for Denons sake the 3900's are bug free, although it doesn't seem it from the video they put out


Brichi, did you want to extend your thoughts on the CDJ2000's regarding bugs and updates ?


I will extend mine. I have used CDJ-2000s the past year 2-3 nights a week for anywhere from 4-6 hours at a time. No problems to date.
WarpNote 9:33 AM - 22 February, 2012
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but JJ said there will be MIDI Out available soon for Scratch Live. If thats true, then you will be able to light up the S3700 or any MIDI device.

If true, then yeah, GREAT news!
rjfermin 10:01 AM - 22 February, 2012
Denon 3700 and the CDj2000
Spinning platter-----> this is a feature that almost makes them incomparable. But……

The main differences, in my opinion, between the Denon 3700 and the CDj2000 are: 1. Spinning platter 2. - Screen Size -3. - Sharing data and 4.-Price...............-Everything else is personal preferences (that are very very important )

- If you like the option of Spinning platter and static jogwheel, you can select the denon 3700 (You have the two options)

- If you like the static jogwheel without the spinning platter option, you can select the CDJ2000.

- If you want to pay the double in the price of a Denon 3700 to have a larger screen, share data …Buy CDJ 2000

--About the difference o similitude in bugs and problems…They are the same…with some problems (fixed) for both …so they at the same in this area.


--About the Price>

----- CDJ 2000: $ 1750 x 2 (Ref> Guitar Center) ........ Total $ 3500

----- Dns3700: $ 750 x 2 (Ref> Guitar Center)............ Total $ 1500

----- Dns3700: $ 750 x 2 = $ 1500
Macbook pro 13 $ 1,300 + $ 600 TSP2 = ........... Total $ 3400

----- Dns3700: $ 750 x 2 = $ 1,500
Macbook pro 13 $ 1,300 + SL4 $ 800 = ............. Total $ 3600

----- Dns3700: $ 750 x 2 = $ 1,500
Rane 68 mixer (SSL INCL.) 2600 = ........... Total $ 4100

----- Dns3700: $ 750 x 2 = $ 1500
DB4 mixer $ 2600 = Total ............... $ 4100

Now the new DENON 3900 has everything (according to the manual) and more than you have on the CDJ 2000 .....
And ………Denon 3900 = $ 1000 and ... CDJ 2000 = $ 1750
WarpNote 10:07 AM - 22 February, 2012
rjfermin,
I think you forgot about the feature many regards as the most useful with pioneer HID mode on current CDJ's. Being able to see track info on the display, play time, remain time. Might not seem much to you, but for many, this takes focus back to the decks instead of staring at a computer screen like a hypnotized monkey....
rjfermin 10:30 AM - 22 February, 2012
Quote:
rjfermin,
I think you forgot about the feature many regards as the most useful with pioneer HID mode on current CDJ's. Being able to see track info on the display, play time, remain time. Might not seem much to you, but for many, this takes focus back to the decks instead of staring at a computer screen like a hypnotized monkey....


I know what you mean....The little screen in stand alone is the downside of the 3700..but when I use it with the software ...i have a bigger screen to see all and more just 30cm away...besides, you can be a " hypnotized monkey" either way in cdj screen or laptop screen....but i respect this, but for me, is just a personal preferences...a very important by the way.
WarpNote 10:57 AM - 22 February, 2012
Don't get me wrong, I think the 3700's are dope. Although I prefer technics turntables myself, nad also have the older CDJ1000mk3 for lighter setups. Was hoping for the 3900's to have native SSL support. That would make me think about switching out the pio's.

Personally I think, the more a dj "monkey-stare" the computer screen, the less connection to the crowd. Thats why I prefer the HC1000s and Dicers, as opposed to hitting cues with the computer keyboard.
BriChi 1:05 PM - 22 February, 2012
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had the 37's, were buggy as hell when released, bought the cdj2000's and never looked back. Hopefully for Denons sake the 3900's are bug free, although it doesn't seem it from the video they put out


Brichi, did you want to extend your thoughts on the CDJ2000's regarding bugs and updates ?


Sure, why not, lol,,, Any bugs the CDJ2000 had from day 1 of release were not critical show stoppers, my biggest issue, as you know Sil of the 3700, was the freezing when hitting play, that killed me a couple of times live unfortunately and it took the engineers a while. The CDJ did have some bugs like a warped master tempo so to speak, But nothing that was so bad that it would kill a set or make you doubt the player during a set.

Again, this issue was fixed by Denon and they work fine now, Hopefully this will be resolved in the 3900 as in the video, it showed the exact same issue I was talking about
BriChi 1:07 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Personally I think, the more a dj "monkey-stare" the computer screen, the less connection to the crowd. Thats why I prefer the HC1000s and Dicers, as opposed to hitting cues with the computer keyboard.


couldnt agree more, the main reason why I love the 2000's when they were released, just dump all my music on a drive and plug in, or connect to Rekordbox, Either way, nothing to stare at, I feel like its back to having more fun, mixing by ear and watching the crowd instead of staring at waveforms and spinning dials, sorry serato :)
DJ PopRoXXX 2:47 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Statement above makes no sense but ok.

how so?
romch 3:57 PM - 22 February, 2012
Prizo... I'll sell you mine! I've got two. E-mail me at chris@cutmastermusic.com if you're really interested.
Dj K.Smith 4:41 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Prizo... I'll sell you mine! I've got two. E-mail me at chris@cutmastermusic.com if you're really interested.

Not supposed to do that dude... Gonna get this thread locked... Next time, just PM the guy...

IBTL
romch 4:45 PM - 22 February, 2012
Ah crap... my bad. I just figured I'd throw it out there since he asked. Can I delete it?
Dj K.Smith 4:46 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Ah crap... my bad. I just figured I'd throw it out there since he asked. Can I delete it?


Nope...
dj-freestyle 6:04 PM - 22 February, 2012
I was told the new hybrid mode for 3900 with also fix light's on 3700 to witch kinda makes sense.
dj-freestyle 6:05 PM - 22 February, 2012
@silvio, so this new hybid mode will only fix lights on 3900?
dj-freestyle 6:07 PM - 22 February, 2012
hybrid mode on the 3700 is dope warpnote. i dont have to touch keyboard at all. its all on the cd player. very dope
Silvio Z 6:10 PM - 22 February, 2012
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I was told the new hybrid mode for 3900 with also fix light's on 3700 to witch kinda makes sense.



Quote:
@silvio, so this new hybid mode will only fix lights on 3900?


@dj-freestyle
The .xml file that we will provide is for the SC3900, which enables LED feedback.
I have no information about the S3700.
dj-freestyle 6:13 PM - 22 February, 2012
Well if its fixable on 3900 seems to me wouldnt be to tought to fix on 3700. just a thought. us 3700 owners are still out there.
Silvio Z 6:14 PM - 22 February, 2012
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Well if its fixable on 3900 seems to me wouldnt be to tought to fix on 3700. just a thought. us 3700 owners are still out there.


You can try it, I dont know and did not try, thanks.
dj-freestyle 6:15 PM - 22 February, 2012
When it drops i will for sure.
WarpNote 6:20 PM - 22 February, 2012
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hybrid mode on the 3700 is dope warpnote. i dont have to touch keyboard at all. its all on the cd player. very dope

Huh, track names, elapsed and remaining time too?
dj-freestyle 6:21 PM - 22 February, 2012
those two you dont get put all loops fuctions, cutiing them, hot keys, loading tracks. i mapped some effects to each deck. its really nice.
dj-freestyle 6:23 PM - 22 February, 2012
I was really suprised how much of serato works on each deck in hybrid mode. i expects a few functions but got most of them. its pretty dope.
dj-freestyle 6:25 PM - 22 February, 2012
And i think somebody posted abopve why not just use turntables. well i get all the functions of midi and cd with a turntable style and no dust on needles at shows. anybody who does mobile knows how dust these halls and clubs get. dj next to me sat night kept having huge dust issues so i was glad to be on my 3700 and not tables.
WarpNote 6:33 PM - 22 February, 2012
Cool, thanks freestyle, that's what I thought.
dj-freestyle 6:39 PM - 22 February, 2012
No problem. Just my opinion of course. i get all the pionner love ive used both alot its just a preference thing and a money thing.
WarpNote 6:44 PM - 22 February, 2012
Yeah, that's my take on it too, Pio is charging to much for their logo imo. Like I said:
Quote:
really like x1600 and x1700, and dig my HC1000s.
DJScottC 5:11 AM - 24 February, 2012
I was banned for LIFE off of the Denon DJ Forum because i was being VERY vocal about my 3700's messing up because of the bass in the club where I work. The bass vibrations made my players react VERY badly. I am a FAN of the way Denon products work when the work correctly. I was told maybe you should move the subs in the club to help ease the problems? HA HA yeah I could see that conversation with the club manager. They i was told to put some foam under the players. LOL! My posts were edited and then deleted by the mods there and then I was told I was no allowed to post on the forum because I was not being a TEAM PLAYER. I have had my 3700's and enjoyed many years of use out of them after they fixed many of the issues I was ban for being vocal about. I am defiantly going to get a pair of 3900's when they are out and I am looking forward to the improvements they have made . The biggest improvement that Denon needs to do as a company is to have an OFFICIAL FORUM......... but who is to say it would be any better or even be more open to criticism.
romch 7:19 PM - 24 February, 2012
This is funny hearing all the stuff about the Denon forum. I couldn't agree more. I personally have never been banned or really told much, but it's because I don't really go there and post anymore. I didn't like the censorship there either. They constantly change posts, titles, ban people etc. I wonder if it would be worth trying to start another forum. I don't care if it's official or not. I just want to read REAL input from real users.... good or bad. I'd be down to take a chance on a new Denon forum if the interest was there. That being said.... I'm also going to upgrade to the 3900's. I'll probably wait to see a few videos first. I've been lucky enough to be a beta tester for different versions of the software on the 3500's and 3700's and hopefully the 3900's will integrate nicer with SSL. Although, I'm interested to see how well Engine performs.
Rebelguy 9:32 PM - 24 February, 2012
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I wonder if it would be worth trying to start another forum. I don't care if it's official or not. I just want to read REAL input from real users.... good or bad. I'd be down to take a chance on a new Denon forum if the interest was there.


Great idea. I am sure the interest would be there if there was a way to get the word out.
ontime1269 6:11 AM - 25 February, 2012
I really enjoyed that forum from about 2005 to 2008. I sold my Denon setup so I don't go there very much anymore. But when I do, it just doesn't seem to have the same atmosphere as it used to.
romch 5:25 PM - 27 February, 2012
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Quote:
I wonder if it would be worth trying to start another forum. I don't care if it's official or not. I just want to read REAL input from real users.... good or bad. I'd be down to take a chance on a new Denon forum if the interest was there.


Great idea. I am sure the interest would be there if there was a way to get the word out.


I might actually look into this. I've got a new project I'm working on that might coordinate nicely with a new Denon forum. Hmmm....
Silvio Z 5:37 PM - 27 February, 2012
If there's going to be another Denon DJ forum, it should be an official one. I don’t suggest starting your own. If you don’t care to use or contribute to the unofficial one, please use our official FB / Twitter pages for all your Denon DJ related questions, thanks.


www.facebook.com
www.facebook.com

twitter.com
romch 9:42 PM - 27 February, 2012
Hey Silvio.... I just sent you a message to your facebook.
Mr. Goodkat 10:06 PM - 27 February, 2012
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rjfermin,
I think you forgot about the feature many regards as the most useful with pioneer HID mode on current CDJ's. Being able to see track info on the display, play time, remain time. Might not seem much to you, but for many, this takes focus back to the decks instead of staring at a computer screen like a hypnotized monkey....


yet you are staring at a small computer screen.
WarpNote 3:30 AM - 28 February, 2012
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Quote:
rjfermin,
I think you forgot about the feature many regards as the most useful with pioneer HID mode on current CDJ's. Being able to see track info on the display, play time, remain time. Might not seem much to you, but for many, this takes focus back to the decks instead of staring at a computer screen like a hypnotized monkey....


yet you are staring at a small computer screen.

Looking at a player suggests you are playing music, looking at a computer screen might suggest your sending e-mails, browsing the web etc. I try to focus on the dancefloor, that's why the club hire me in the first place.... C'mon Goodkat, you know what I mean.
Andi Crampton 9:22 AM - 6 March, 2012
For anyone intrested iv found this channel claiming to be from denon and will be broadcasting the product launch live from Musikmesse Frankfurt on wednesday 21st march also found out it will be approx 2:30-3pm our time
www.livestream.com
Mr. Goodkat 5:26 PM - 6 March, 2012
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Quote:
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rjfermin,
I think you forgot about the feature many regards as the most useful with pioneer HID mode on current CDJ's. Being able to see track info on the display, play time, remain time. Might not seem much to you, but for many, this takes focus back to the decks instead of staring at a computer screen like a hypnotized monkey....


yet you are staring at a small computer screen.

Looking at a player suggests you are playing music, looking at a computer screen might suggest your sending e-mails, browsing the web etc. I try to focus on the dancefloor, that's why the club hire me in the first place.... C'mon Goodkat, you know what I mean.


why would you be at the club in the dj booth checking emails and browsing the webs? i have a title for that dude, 'lightman'. i hate my slacker ass light man. and he's friend.
Silvio Z 6:03 PM - 6 March, 2012
3x DMC Champ - DJ Switch on the SC3900's w/Serato

Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com
Certified Quality Entertainment 6:09 PM - 6 March, 2012
looks good.
WarpNote 6:50 PM - 6 March, 2012
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why would you be at the club in the dj booth checking emails and browsing the webs? i have a title for that dude, 'lightman'. i hate my slacker ass light man. and he's friend.

I knew you would get it in the end ;D
[O/][iii][O/] 8:19 PM - 6 March, 2012
Don't understand why they didn't ditch CD mechanism.

Loose some bulk, weight, and cost.

It's 2012 for cryin' out loud.

It's not like DVS users need that archaic nonsense.
Silvio Z 8:29 PM - 6 March, 2012
[O/][iii][O/],

CD is still used by many and used as backup when your computer crashes. Maybe for the next generation it can be removed, lets see, thanks.
Dj K.Smith 8:37 PM - 6 March, 2012
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3x DMC Champ - DJ Switch on the SC3900's w/Serato

Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

Looked like it was cold in there... But still a dope routine... Still no sponsorship for me Silvio? LOL
Silvio Z 9:05 PM - 6 March, 2012
@Dj K.Smith

Please win 4 DMC events and you are IN, ;) lol
[O/][iii][O/] 9:16 PM - 6 March, 2012
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[O/][iii][O/],

CD is still used by many and used as backup when your computer crashes. Maybe for the next generation it can be removed, lets see, thanks.


Mac users are unfamiliar with the word "crash".
BriChi 9:38 PM - 6 March, 2012
If my computer crashes a flash drive should be in the player as backup :)
Dj K.Smith 10:20 PM - 6 March, 2012
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@Dj K.Smith

Please win 4 DMC events and you are IN, ;) lol


What about 4-5 strong references from past wedding clients? DMC competitions are a bit much for me, LOL...
[O/][iii][O/] 10:21 PM - 6 March, 2012
^^^ Exactly. CDs are good for just one thing these days: Drink Coasters
Rebelguy 4:08 AM - 7 March, 2012
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[O/][iii][O/],

CD is still used by many and used as backup when your computer crashes. Maybe for the next generation it can be removed, lets see, thanks.


I thought the 3900 was the next generation.
Dj Wunder 5:34 AM - 7 March, 2012
Thank you Denon for leaving in the cd drive
[O/][iii][O/] 2:20 PM - 7 March, 2012
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I thought the 3900 was the next generation.


You weren't alone in that thinking.
Silvio Z 5:39 PM - 7 March, 2012
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Thank you Denon for leaving in the cd drive


Thanks and we agree.
Silvio Z 5:40 PM - 7 March, 2012
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[You weren't alone in that thinking.


Splitting hairs, “the generation after the SC3900’s” thanks.
djcrap 8:29 PM - 7 March, 2012
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[You weren't alone in that thinking.


Splitting hairs, “the generation after the SC3900’s” thanks.


could that generation be with a 12'' platter please..:)
Silvio Z 8:35 PM - 7 March, 2012
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could that generation be with a 12'' platter please..:)


Thanks for your suggestion !
s3kn0tr0n1c 8:39 PM - 7 March, 2012
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could that generation be with a 12'' platter please..:)



That would convince me to switch from TT's if done right ;)
[O/][iii][O/] 8:42 PM - 7 March, 2012
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could that generation be with a 12'' platter please..:)



That would convince me to switch from TT's if done right ;)


Co-sign.
Dj Shamann 8:54 PM - 7 March, 2012
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Don't understand why they didn't ditch CD mechanism.

Loose some bulk, weight, and cost.

It's 2012 for cryin' out loud.

It's not like DVS users need that archaic nonsense.



If it wasn't for the CD I would have no interest. It's not like DVS users need half of the nonsense out there, there are dozens of controllers to choose from, only two solid CD decks and I prefer the Denon's over Pio.
prizo 8:59 PM - 7 March, 2012
When are we gonna get to try this bad boy out for ourselves?
Silvio Z 9:02 PM - 7 March, 2012
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When are we gonna get to try this bad boy out for ourselves?


In stores around the 4th week of this month /March
Silvio Z 9:04 PM - 7 March, 2012
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there are dozens of controllers to choose from, only two solid CD decks and I prefer the Denon's over Pio.


Thank you Dj Shamann !
[O/][iii][O/] 10:58 PM - 7 March, 2012
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Quote:
Don't understand why they didn't ditch CD mechanism.

Loose some bulk, weight, and cost.

It's 2012 for cryin' out loud.

It's not like DVS users need that archaic nonsense.



If it wasn't for the CD I would have no interest. It's not like DVS users need half of the nonsense out there, there are dozens of controllers to choose from, only two solid CD decks and I prefer the Denon's over Pio.


Really? With a motorized platter? From what manufacturer? Was only aware of the Numark V7 (tiny platter, but still motorized nonetheless).
HaroldG 11:16 PM - 7 March, 2012
there's the Stanton SCS.1D has a motorize 10" platter
[O/][iii][O/] 12:40 AM - 8 March, 2012
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there's the Stanton SCS.1D has a motorize 10" platter



True, but last time I checked it was not Serato compatible (without some sort of hack). Has that changed?
DJ Unique 7:17 AM - 8 March, 2012
DJ Unique 7:20 AM - 8 March, 2012
One more video.
www.youtube.com
Discobee 9:23 AM - 8 March, 2012
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They i was told to put some foam under the players. LOL!


ScottC have you tried this? I posted something about this bass issue awhile back. The foam beneath the player does solve that issue.
Silvio Z 7:32 PM - 8 March, 2012
Excellent - SC3900 Video & Online Review w/ dj mad flip,

www.uniquesquared.com
dj-freestyle 9:19 PM - 8 March, 2012
Great my 3700's are less a year old and i love them but these 3900 seem like gold. dam i hate you denon.
dj-freestyle 7:34 PM - 12 March, 2012
@silvio. any word on if we can get hybrid fixed for lights for 3700 like 3900?
Silvio Z 8:11 PM - 12 March, 2012
dj-freestyle , if Serato adds MIDI Out to next versions, then you can light up the S3700 too.
There's nothing we need to do from our side, its ready to go, thanks.
DJ Unique 4:02 AM - 13 March, 2012
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dj-freestyle , if Serato adds MIDI Out to next versions, then you can light up the S3700 too.
There's nothing we need to do from our side, its ready to go, thanks.

So if there's no Midi Out on Serato how can the S3900 have working lights?

It would be nice if Denon was able to have the S3700 lights stay on in hybrid mode. They don't even need to toggle on/off, just stay on all the time.
dj-freestyle 5:16 PM - 13 March, 2012
@dj-unique, that was my exact thought. that makes no sense if 3900 can why wouldnt 3700 work. im so lost.
Silvio Z 5:44 PM - 13 March, 2012
@ DJ Unique

Someone made a PC app for the lights / S3700.
Click a button, they all turn ON, close app and open then Serato.
DJ Unique 5:46 PM - 13 March, 2012
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@ DJ Unique

Someone made a PC app for the lights / S3700.
Click a button, they all turn ON, close app and open then Serato.

I know but I'm on a Mac.
It would still be nice to have Denon offer that "lights always on" feature on hybrid mode.
If it can be done on the S3900 then maybe it's possible on the S3700.
Silvio Z 5:59 PM - 13 March, 2012
Thanks DJ Unique


We cannot add new firmware features to the S3700.
Most of the great things you guys asked for over the years have been implemented in the SC3900 and in Engine.
dj-freestyle 6:35 PM - 13 March, 2012
Ive always been a huge denon fan but wow. thats beyond bad customer service. unreal.
djcrap 9:29 PM - 13 March, 2012
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Thanks DJ Unique


We cannot add new firmware features to the S3700.
Most of the great things you guys asked for over the years have been implemented in the SC3900 and in Engine.

Quote:
Ive always been a huge denon fan but wow. thats beyond bad customer service. unreal.


+1000000
Silvio Z 9:45 PM - 13 March, 2012
@ dj-freestyle, thanks for your support and input on this matter, but please don’t shoot the messenger!

I was told that the S3700 firmware area was full, therefore impossible to add any new feature requests. Hope this clears things up.
Dj Wunder 10:25 PM - 13 March, 2012
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@ dj-freestyle, thanks for your support and input on this matter, but please don’t shoot the messenger!

I was told that the S3700 firmware area was full, therefore impossible to add any new feature requests. Hope this clears things up.


The gun wasn't pointed at you Silvio, he wasn't shooting the messenger, he was shooting the company. RANE would never abandon their products in that way. In my brief experience as a Denon customer, my common experience is:

My question; "I have a long, detailed question about an issue that should probably be addressed in a thoroughly thought out manner by Denon."

Denon's answer; "We have no plans to make this product any better, sorry, thanks"

Coming from the Rane experience, the Denon experience is quite a shock, to be frank.
Rebelguy 10:30 PM - 13 March, 2012
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@ dj-freestyle, thanks for your support and input on this matter, but please don’t shoot the messenger!

I was told that the S3700 firmware area was full, therefore impossible to add any new feature requests. Hope this clears things up.


Too bad they couldn't take out features to make room. The effects could be the first thing to go.
Silvio Z 11:31 PM - 13 March, 2012
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My question; "I have a long, detailed question about an issue that should probably be addressed in a thoroughly thought out manner by Denon."


I think people can also appreciate an honest, short and to the point answer.
Anyone who would rather have a long detailed answer should call us, 630.741.0330


Quote:
Denon's answer; "We have no plans to make this product any better, sorry, thanks"


The S3700 has been on the market for 3-years. During this period, we supported and released 11 updates that included, reported bug fixes and loads of free new features requested by our customers, such as worlds first Hybrid Mode for Serato. So yes, we did make it better.


Quote:
Coming from the Rane experience, the Denon experience is quite a shock, to be frank.


To be fair, the question asked was about changing our hardware spec. Adding features to SSL is much more easily done and has become common practice.

Lets get back on topic > SC3900
Dj Wunder 7:22 AM - 14 March, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
My question; "I have a long, detailed question about an issue that should probably be addressed in a thoroughly thought out manner by Denon."


I think people can also appreciate an honest, short and to the point answer.
Anyone who would rather have a long detailed answer should call us, 630.741.0330


Quote:
Denon's answer; "We have no plans to make this product any better, sorry, thanks"


The S3700 has been on the market for 3-years. During this period, we supported and released 11 updates that included, reported bug fixes and loads of free new features requested by our customers, such as worlds first Hybrid Mode for Serato. So yes, we did make it better.


Quote:
Coming from the Rane experience, the Denon experience is quite a shock, to be frank.


To be fair, the question asked was about changing our hardware spec. Adding features to SSL is much more easily done and has become common practice.

Lets get back on topic > SC3900


Now THAT'S an answer!! Thanks
djnonstopla323 7:46 AM - 14 March, 2012
the light do turn on on the 3700 mac or pc i made a threat already and you could put your name on the screen
dj-freestyle 3:42 PM - 14 March, 2012
@djnonstop, you lost me. explain?
DJ Barticus 3:52 PM - 14 March, 2012
@Silvio Z 7
-make a 3900 without the CD drive and i'm interested
-make a 3900 without the CD drive, soundcard, and with full serato HID control and i'm very interested
dj-freestyle 3:55 PM - 14 March, 2012
@silvio, I wasnt shooting the messanger i just expected a detailed reason. I work for two company and one of them is boom who is a authroized denon sales so ive had alot of dealing with denon people and just expected a better answer that was all.
Djkom 4:03 PM - 14 March, 2012
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@Silvio Z 7
-make a 3900 without the CD drive and i'm interested


Who can do more can do less

Quote:

-make a 3900 without the CD drive, soundcard, and with full serato HID control and i'm very interested


I'm not sure that the market is ready to buy just an HID controller for Serato...it's too limited
Djkom 4:04 PM - 14 March, 2012
See SC3900 in action during the french event MIXMOVE:

Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com
[O/][iii][O/] 5:04 PM - 14 March, 2012
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@Silvio Z 7
-make a 3900 without the CD drive and i'm interested
-make a 3900 without the CD drive, soundcard, and with full serato HID control and i'm very interested


Same here. Strip it more down too. Doesn't even need display or half the buttons it has either.

Think Technics SL-1200, minus tonearm assembly, plus digital connection.

So tired of all these flash in the pan band aid toys that will be collecting dust in short period of time.

For the zillionth time, RANE, PLEASE MAKE A REAL SSL DECK! Pretty please., with sugar on top.
Rebelguy 5:37 PM - 14 March, 2012
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I'm not sure that the market is ready to buy just an HID controller for Serato...it's too limited


Just make it support NI, Serato and Virtual DJ. Done and done.
DJ Barticus 6:33 PM - 14 March, 2012
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Who can do more can do less


Denon, the 3700 has on board fx, the 3900 does not, and people will still buy it because on board fx are useless for DVS

and less features also hopefully means a lower price point
Silvio Z 6:55 PM - 14 March, 2012
@Dj Wunder , thank you.
@DJ Barticus, thanks for your suggestion !
@dj-freestyle, you work for boom? cool, didn't know that...
@djkom, thanks for posting these new videos of DJ Switch ;)
@Rebelguy, yep, we know it, I think Traktor tsi & VDJ support is coming...
Silvio Z 6:55 PM - 14 March, 2012
SC3900, SSL calibration image from DJ Dave Clarke,
and adds, "New Denon SC3900 are rock solid and jitter free"


s3.amazonaws.com
Silvio Z 6:56 PM - 14 March, 2012
oh, Deck 1 for above...
J.J. 7:03 PM - 14 March, 2012
I use the onboard FX buttons and knob on the 3700 to MIDI map Effects, Loops, Loop Rolls, Samples and Instant Double's. So it's really not useless. Check out my mapping www.poweronplay.com

What I need from Denon is a MIDI player only with a Direct Drive Platter.
- No CD Player
- No USB player (Only USB to connect it to CPU)
- No Network
- No Display
- 5 Cues and Loop Controls
- Knobs for FX and Buttons for drumpads, Bridge, Slicer
- 3 options for Platter: 1. HID for Native Support in Traktor and Scratch Live 2. 14-bit MIDI similiar to the S3700 and S3900 (RPM works wonderful in this mode) 3. HYBRID for the software that refuses to support it NATIVELY

Simple, easy. Like a DN-SC2000 or DN-HC1000 but with a spinning platter and a cheaper price than the S3900. Make it happen Silvio. I don't need CD's as backup. I'll run an iPod through the mixer if that happens.
Rebelguy 7:06 PM - 14 March, 2012
Quote:

@Rebelguy, yep, we know it, I think Traktor tsi & VDJ support is coming...


My comment was in reference to a unit such as J.J. is suggesting above.
dj-freestyle 8:23 PM - 14 March, 2012
@silvio, i work at a to z and fill in at boom occasionally. Jordans fiancé works for a to z as a dancer and dj to so we are all family
dj-freestyle 8:24 PM - 14 March, 2012
Also helps that I've seen 3900 already in person and its a amazing product.
Dj Wunder 1:18 AM - 15 March, 2012
Quote:
SC3900, SSL calibration image from DJ Dave Clarke,
and adds, "New Denon SC3900 are rock solid and jitter free"


s3.amazonaws.com


I'm curious about the threshold being set so high, couldn't you theoretically drop it all the way down with these decks?
djnonstopla323 2:09 AM - 15 March, 2012
here is how to make the lights work on hybrid mode on the 3700's with a mac
djnonstopla323 2:22 AM - 15 March, 2012
here is how to make the lights work on hybrid mode on the 3700's with a mac serato.com
djnonstopla323 2:22 AM - 15 March, 2012
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@djnonstop, you lost me. explain?

serato.com
dj-freestyle 5:43 PM - 15 March, 2012
@djnonstop, does it have to be programmed. just asking before i try it.
WarpNote 10:22 PM - 15 March, 2012
He is running a windows install on his mac, good workaround if you can be bothered with it.
djnonstopla323 10:58 PM - 15 March, 2012
No im not using windows on the mac just a program to run pc programs on mac os. ill make a video later on so you guys could see how it works
J.J. 12:20 AM - 16 March, 2012
Serato is adding MIDI out for 2.5.

On the free MIDI-OX, you can easily turn on all the LED's to ON. Isn't there a similar program for the MAC?
DJ Unique 4:17 AM - 16 March, 2012
Quote:
Serato is adding MIDI out for 2.5.

On the free MIDI-OX, you can easily turn on all the LED's to ON. Isn't there a similar program for the MAC?

Link for the Mac please.

I hope it's not Wine Bottler that I previously saw. That kind of scares me. I think it might screw up my super safe & secure MacBook Pro.
Discobee 4:41 PM - 16 March, 2012
I've used MIDI-OX for the 3700...the downside is that if you switch modes between Hybrid MIDI, USB and/or CD...you have to redo the MIDI-OX each time you get back in Hybrid MIDI mode. So for weddings guys like me where sometimes we need to switch modes for different portions of the ceremony/reception, having to do that is not practical.

But, if you strictly use the Hybrid MIDI mode, then the MIDI-OX lighting up the buttons on the 3700 is pretty neat.
dj-freestyle 4:49 PM - 16 March, 2012
@J.J, did a birdie tell you that or are you just making stuff up
J.J. 5:20 PM - 16 March, 2012
I MAKE STUFF UP. That's what I do. I had an article how to get MIDI out on my website www.poweronplay.com, but I was told to take it down. No sense in arguing if it's around the corner.

Plus, MIDI out was announced with Serato Video, then taken down 15 minutes later. If you look hard enough, you will see video of it in action. Educated guess is that it will be here in the next big update.
dj-freestyle 5:23 PM - 16 March, 2012
lol lol, was being funn , didnt mean to seem crappy. thats aweosme. good catch. i hope they really do it. will be very nice for sure.
skinnyguy 7:03 PM - 16 March, 2012
Maybe midi out will be for serato video ONLY....for the itch users. And not for scratchlive or itch.
Djkom 9:56 AM - 22 March, 2012
looks like the attented SC2900:

www.productpilot.com
DeeJayIvan 6:40 PM - 22 March, 2012
got to play on a pair of these at the CDJ show in Toronto last weekend, very nice!!!

the Engine iPad app was pretty sweet too, easy to use that's for sure, leave the laptop at home!!!
DeeJayIvan 6:50 PM - 22 March, 2012
Quote:
I'm not sure that the market is ready to buy just an HID controller for Serato...it's too limited


considering how long of a thread the MC6000 mapping request thread is on the forum I would disagree with this statement
Silvio Z 11:24 PM - 29 March, 2012
Excellent SC3900 Overview Video from Ty - agiprodj.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

They started shipping to USA dealers yesterday, call to reserve !
Silvio Z 11:28 PM - 29 March, 2012
Oh and the SSL mapping file for the SC3900 is here: (listed under Support)

usa.d-mpro.com
DJ FaceMI 5:18 PM - 30 March, 2012
Thanks for the file mapping Silvio! Hopefully I get my 39's delivered next week!
Discobee 6:44 PM - 30 March, 2012
Silvio has the NEXT TRACK function been eliminated on the 3900?
Silvio Z 4:26 PM - 31 March, 2012
Quote:
Silvio has the NEXT TRACK function been eliminated on the 3900?


Yes, but you can still search your Next song from CD/USB while one is playing, pretty cool.
Silvio Z 4:27 PM - 31 March, 2012
Quote:
Thanks for the file mapping Silvio! Hopefully I get my 39's delivered next week!



Cool, congrats !
BriChi 2:35 AM - 5 April, 2012
Sil, I think he meant more where you can look for the next track and then set like a 5 second mix time, then press enter and it mixes for you for lets say background type music or if you're in a pinch if a deck fails
BriChi 2:36 AM - 5 April, 2012
also, are people going to have them in their hands this week? I would love to start hearing the real world use of a mobile guy with a large 20,000 track library on an external linked and using an iPad to search and drop tracks. We all know the decks will work fine with a hundred or so playing at a trade show, I want to hear from people that really work their decks at gigs like I do
dj-freestyle 3:17 PM - 6 April, 2012
i950.photobucket.com



They have arrived......:)
prizo 3:18 PM - 6 April, 2012
Pretty sure they are in stores. Anyone try the new xml file with 3700?
dj-freestyle 3:19 PM - 6 April, 2012
No haven't yet. gonna try though just to see what happens.
prizo 3:37 PM - 6 April, 2012
Let me know
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:56 PM - 6 April, 2012
Quote:
i950.photobucket.com



They have arrived......:)

Want to send me 2 :)
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:15 PM - 6 April, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
i950.photobucket.com



They have arrived......:)

Want to send me 2 :)

Yes send 2 to me also!
Discobee 12:57 AM - 8 April, 2012
I just sold off all three of my 3700s for $1200 on Craigslist locally in a matter of hours after posting them up. Not bad considering that I paid $1425 for them over 2 years ago, and have made lots of $$ using them for mobile gigs. I will put the money aside and save for the 3900s. *drooling*
djcrap 9:31 AM - 8 April, 2012
Quote:
I just sold off all three of my 3700s for $1200 on Craigslist locally in a matter of hours after posting them up. Not bad considering that I paid $1425 for them over 2 years ago, and have made lots of $$ using them for mobile gigs. I will put the money aside and save for the 3900s. *drooling*



hahaha am about to sell mine two of them i bought last year for the same price $1200 so i get the 3900s
BriChi 4:47 PM - 8 April, 2012
guys. the platter is definitely improved on the 3900, acts just like a 1200 now as far as pitch bending via the platter. Good work on the platter Denon
BriChi 5:19 PM - 8 April, 2012
Quote:
also, are people going to have them in their hands this week? I would love to start hearing the real world use of a mobile guy with a large 20,000 track library on an external linked and using an iPad to search and drop tracks. We all know the decks will work fine with a hundred or so playing at a trade show, I want to hear from people that really work their decks at gigs like I do


well I got one as a loaner and tested this for myself, it pretty much chokes the deck, a shame too, I was liking them up till that point.

I loaded my library (23,000+ tracks) into Engine, all finished analyzing, I exported to a Maxtor 500gb/7200rpm powered external, When I plug into the 3900 everything shows up quick and I can scroll but once I load a track, it sits at "memo checking" for a while, in some cases over 5 minutes, then when you play and try and go back to the previous folder, it's not showing everything anymore, it's locked up and I have to pull the drive and plug it back in.

I am sure this will be improved in future versions. If you just want these decks to control serato or use with a small club library, they are great decks,
DJWALDO 9:09 PM - 8 April, 2012
Please make a cd player with a 10" moving platter, user replaceable slip mats, play/cue on bottom right, pitch top right, screen top left, and I'll buy 4 tomorrow.
DJ GaFFle 1:06 AM - 9 April, 2012
Quote:
Please make a cd player with a 10" moving platter, user replaceable slip mats, play/cue on bottom right, pitch top right, screen top left, and I'll buy 4 tomorrow.

The 9" moving platter on the 3900 is just fine. (nm)
DJ FaceMI 1:00 PM - 9 April, 2012
Quote:
Pretty sure they are in stores. Anyone try the new xml file with 3700?

I tried the xml file for the 3900 and for some odd reason I couldnt get it to work. I had version 2.0 of Serato so I thought it was that since the recommended version was 2.2 or later...that wasnt it either. I ended up mapping everything myself before my gig Saturday. 39'S are DOPE.
Dj K.Smith 7:01 PM - 9 April, 2012
So for you guys that use a coffin, do these fit in place of your 3700's in a Odyssey coffin with a 10" mixer?
HaroldG 8:16 PM - 9 April, 2012
i'm using the existing coffin were my 3700 were housed. is tight but it fits.
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:20 PM - 9 April, 2012
I'm thinking of grabbin 2 of these with a 12" mixer. How heavy do you think the coffin would be? Would there be room to modify the coffin to fit a serato box and wireless mic?
HaroldG 8:56 PM - 9 April, 2012
i'm using the Odyssey FR12CDJWE weights around 70 to 80 pounds
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:57 PM - 9 April, 2012
Think there is room in there to squeeze in my serato box and wireless mic receiver? I do mobile work so I would need it to be transported around and not just sitting in the case at home.
Rebelguy 9:01 PM - 9 April, 2012
Quote:
Think there is room in there to squeeze in my serato box and wireless mic receiver? I do mobile work so I would need it to be transported around and not just sitting in the case at home.


I would check what kind of padding is under the mixer. When I had an Odyssey coffin I cut out an area of the foam to fit my SL-3. The foam was thick enough that it was basically still taller then the box and the mixer was on top of it.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:19 PM - 9 April, 2012
2 SC3900 on the way! :D

Thanks TY AGIPRO
HaroldG 9:34 PM - 9 April, 2012
Quote:
Think there is room in there to squeeze in my serato box and wireless mic receiver? I do mobile work so I would need it to be transported around and not just sitting in the case at home.

that is how i have it set up. SL3, 3900 (2), DN x1600, DN-HC1000.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:35 PM - 9 April, 2012
Care to post your new setup with 3900s? :)
HaroldG 9:37 PM - 9 April, 2012
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:45 PM - 9 April, 2012
Nice!

So what is your take on the 3900s?? how well do they work with Serato?
Using HID?

any report? lol
HaroldG 9:54 PM - 9 April, 2012
coming from the 3700 to the 3900 a lot of improvement. with the provided MIDI mapper and serato works great, the platter response is sharp no latency.
BriChi 10:28 PM - 9 April, 2012
I have a loaner for a couple of days and have been testing, they work great with Serato, it's Hybrid mode though, not HID so dont get that part confused, it's is a little different, but honestly, The Hybrid mode in my opinion works better right now then Pioneers HID mode, only downfall is you still have to run the rca's from the 39 to the box AND a usb cable from the denon to the computer or hub, but if you are mobile and use a case, who cares, it's always wired anyway. only other downfall is it would be nice to see the track info from serato on the denon screen, again, no big deal though, just a nice added feature if it was there

CQE, you should have no issues getting the mic and sl box under the players, most cases have a lot of foam underneath and you can carve out where you want the box. I have the same setup (with different equipment though) and my mic, is mounted under along with a linksys switch and all wiring
Discobee 5:16 AM - 10 April, 2012


That X1600 is a bad arss mixer too. I should be getting my pair in a few...homie employee pricing discount, woohoooo!
Dj K.Smith 5:45 AM - 10 April, 2012
If anybody sold their 3700's to get the 3900's, please PM me and let me know what you got for them... I'm starting to think about getting a pair... I like new "Ish"...
DJ Unique 6:41 AM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
If anybody sold their 3700's to get the 3900's, please PM me and let me know what you got for them... I'm starting to think about getting a pair... I like new "Ish"...

I was kinda thinking the same thing.
geeunot 8:30 AM - 10 April, 2012
this thing looks dope! definitely wanna try it out...seems like it would give you better control than a cdj.
Rick Hodgkins 11:58 AM - 10 April, 2012
Anybody experiencing SSL jumping into INT mode while mixing with the 39's?
DJ FaceMI 12:42 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
Anybody experiencing SSL jumping into INT mode while mixing with the 39's?

This is because its mimicing vinyl...like when you leave the needle on the record and the timecode is no longer giving a signal, it jumps to internal automatically. Hope that makes sense. It's still a little early, cant think straight lol
Rick Hodgkins 1:17 PM - 10 April, 2012
That's the most logical explanation so far, thanks.
DJ FaceMI 1:27 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
That's the most logical explanation so far, thanks.


youre welcome, rick!
dj-freestyle 3:02 PM - 10 April, 2012
I was told by denon that is a serato glitch and that they are gonna fix it but its been years and serato doesnt seem to support the hybrid mode so lets see if they really fix it.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:27 PM - 10 April, 2012
instagr.am

Is it 5 o'clock yet???!!

Thanks Ty at Agiprodj getting these shipped overnight :p
BriChi 3:55 PM - 10 April, 2012
pretend you're sick and go home, lol
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:58 PM - 10 April, 2012
lol
dj-freestyle 4:19 PM - 10 April, 2012
i had like 10 minutes on my 3900's last night and they do feel different then my 3700's for sure. cant wait to have both in studio to do a video on differences. hopefully tonight
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:05 PM - 10 April, 2012
instagr.am

Is it 5 o'clock yet???!!

Thanks Ty at Agiprodj getting these shipped overnight :p
Dj K.Smith 5:12 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
instagr.am

Is it 5 o'clock yet???!!

Thanks Ty at Agiprodj getting these shipped overnight :p

photoshopped, lol... Pics in house, setup are only proof of purchase X, LOL...
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:19 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
instagr.am
Is it 5 o'clock yet???!!
Thanks Ty at Agiprodj getting these shipped overnight :p

photoshopped, lol... Pics in house, setup are only proof of purchase X, LOL...


You don't have to tell me I'm the photo phreak in here! LoL
Just wait for tonight ;)
Silvio Z 5:31 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
I was told by denon that is a serato glitch and that they are gonna fix it but its been years and serato doesnt seem to support the hybrid mode so lets see if they really fix it.



True DAT
dj-freestyle 5:33 PM - 10 April, 2012
ok serato i no you guys read the forum stuff. lets get on it. we love us some hybird so fix the glitch.
Rick Hodgkins 5:35 PM - 10 April, 2012
Why don't they support the Hybrid mode?
Seems like the best of two worlds, a win win so to speak.

It's a cd player with a TC disc that supports Serato midi assignments.
I keep hearing about a "spec", but hell it all works except for the lights.

If VDJ can do it, why not?
Rick Hodgkins 5:37 PM - 10 April, 2012
Even if they do fix it with an update, that update is gonna kill ME.
Silvio Z 5:39 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
Sil, I think he meant more where you can look for the next track and then set like a 5 second mix time, then press enter and it mixes for you for lets say background type music or if you're in a pinch if a deck fails



Brichi, that exact function [Next Track] was removed to streamline functionality.
Silvio Z 5:50 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
guys. the platter is definitely improved on the 3900, acts just like a 1200 now as far as pitch bending via the platter. Good work on the platter Denon



Thanks Brichi, we did tons of work/improvements to the platter area (and other places).
After 4 generations and 10-years of dedication to the spinning platter, I think we nailed it.
Silvio Z 5:56 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
I tried the xml file for the 3900 and for some odd reason I couldnt get it to work. I had version 2.0 of Serato so I thought it was that since the recommended version was 2.2 or later...that wasnt it either. I ended up mapping everything myself before my gig Saturday. 39'S are DOPE.


@DJ FaceMI, congrats !
Any reason why you are not using the latest v2.4 ?
DJ FaceMI 6:21 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
I tried the xml file for the 3900 and for some odd reason I couldnt get it to work. I had version 2.0 of Serato so I thought it was that since the recommended version was 2.2 or later...that wasnt it either. I ended up mapping everything myself before my gig Saturday. 39'S are DOPE.




@DJ FaceMI, congrats !

Any reason why you are not using the latest v2.4 ?


Thanks Sil! I updated SL on Saturday then loaded the .xml file but the file mapping still didn't work...
DJ FaceMI 6:21 PM - 10 April, 2012
Updated it to 2.4 btw...
Silvio Z 6:22 PM - 10 April, 2012
Did you load to the correct folder?
Using MAC or PC?
Dj K.Smith 6:22 PM - 10 April, 2012
So Silvio, I gotta win multiple DMC championships to get a pair? I'm a really good wedding dj, just so you know... I'll even give you back my 3700's as a trade...
DJ FaceMI 6:23 PM - 10 April, 2012
PC...load
Quote:
Did you load to the correct folder?

Using MAC or PC?

PC...loaded it to the midi folder under _serato_
Silvio Z 6:25 PM - 10 April, 2012
Can you see our file when you open SSL and go to the MIDI tab to load?
DJ FaceMI 6:25 PM - 10 April, 2012
Yes sir. I click on it, then load it. Try some buttons and nothing works.
Silvio Z 6:28 PM - 10 April, 2012
and you set the players to the correct MIDI channels in the preset mode (5 and 6)?

Did you select 'Unit No' or 'MIDI Ch'...they look the same 1~15, but dont confuse.
DJ FaceMI 6:29 PM - 10 April, 2012
Thats what it is Sil...setting the channels to 5 and 6! Thank you. I'll try it out when I get home...at work right now lol
Silvio Z 6:31 PM - 10 April, 2012
Ok, check that its MIDI CH and not Unit No that you changed.

Unit No should remain on "ALL"
Silvio Z 6:35 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
So Silvio, I gotta win multiple DMC championships to get a pair?


@Dj K.Smith

Not really.
A faster way is to crack open your wallet with a valid credit card…that makes you an instant DMC Champ ! ;)
Rick Hodgkins 6:40 PM - 10 April, 2012
you kill me....lol
crack a card....
dj-freestyle 6:57 PM - 10 April, 2012
@silvio, i think dj face was tyring the hybrid file for 3900 on his 3700, i think i read that earlier so im sure thats why,
Dj K.Smith 7:01 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
So Silvio, I gotta win multiple DMC championships to get a pair?


@Dj K.Smith

Not really.
A faster way is to crack open your wallet with a valid credit card…that makes you an instant DMC Champ ! ;)


Can I use a Denon Dj credit card? LOL... I'm trying right?!?!?!?! Can't knock the hustle...
Silvio Z 7:11 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
@silvio, i think dj face was tyring the hybrid file for 3900 on his 3700, i think i read that earlier so im sure thats why,



Ahh, thats a whole different deal.
DJ FaceMI 8:11 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
@silvio, i think dj face was tyring the hybrid file for 3900 on his 3700, i think i read that earlier so im sure thats why,


@Freestyle, looking back at some of my comments, I think I wouldve though that too lol I just got my 39's going from some TT's...LOVE them.

@Sil...Just preset my channels to 5 and 6 as well as Unit no set to ALL. Works like a champ! thank you.
Silvio Z 8:20 PM - 10 April, 2012
Wonderful, enjoy !
DJ FaceMI 8:23 PM - 10 April, 2012
Oh I certainly will, thanks! Gotta practice for our statewide DJ Olympics.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:29 PM - 10 April, 2012
Just for K Smith :P


instagr.am

www.servimg.com
Silvio Z 9:41 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
Just for K Smith :P


instagr.am

www.servimg.com



Priceless! lol
Dj K.Smith 10:30 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
Just for K Smith :P


instagr.am

www.servimg.com


Hahahahahahahaha... As soon as Silvio sends me mine I'll post pics later... Right Silvio?!?!?!? LOL

Very nice X, now you need to skin all that set-up... Gotta make it personal...
DJ_X_Trodinaire 10:51 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:

Hahahahahahahaha... As soon as Silvio sends me mine I'll post pics later... Right Silvio?!?!?!? LOL
Very nice X, now you need to skin all that set-up... Gotta make it personal...



Sell your 3700s on craigslist;) I sold 4 CDJs this weekend. All went quick.
djvtyme85 11:07 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Just for K Smith :P


instagr.am

www.servimg.com


Hahahahahahahaha... As soon as Silvio sends me mine I'll post pics later... Right Silvio?!?!?!? LOL

just give the man 3900s...he can be your "mobile" beta tester guy & send me a set for the idea! thanks

Very nice X, now you need to skin all that set-up... Gotta make it personal...
Dj K.Smith 11:22 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
Just for K Smith :P


instagr.am

www.servimg.com


Make your 62 look like this...

i77.photobucket.com
DJ_X_Trodinaire 11:38 PM - 10 April, 2012
^^ I actually like that. white plates.
but you got it already!
djvtyme85 11:44 PM - 10 April, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Just for K Smith :P


instagr.am

www.servimg.com


Make your 62 look like this...

i77.photobucket.com



how difficult is it to apply those skinz...i want to get some done up but i'm not to crafty
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:05 AM - 11 April, 2012
Son done took over my new toys smh
instagr.am

Oh yeah wife was kinda not talking when she saw the Denon boxes LOL
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:50 AM - 11 April, 2012
Oooh Hybrid mode nice nice.
Auto loop: on point
Midi layers 1/2 hot cue/ sampler nice nice.

From a person who never used Midi on serato, I am liking it :)

Silvio or anyone: could i use two midi buttons to trigger 1 item
Sampler 1 trigger from deck 1 hot cue and deck 2 hot cue?

Sorry i am a midi-newb
BriChi 2:30 AM - 11 April, 2012
hahahahaa, My son does the same thing, so funny
BriChi 2:42 AM - 11 April, 2012
he even has a demo, LOL Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj K.Smith 2:45 AM - 11 April, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Just for K Smith :P


instagr.am

www.servimg.com


Make your 62 look like this...

i77.photobucket.com



how difficult is it to apply those skinz...i want to get some done up but i'm not to crafty


Extremely easy for the mixer bro...
Quote:
Son done took over my new toys smh
instagr.am

Oh yeah wife was kinda not talking when she saw the Denon boxes LOL


Very cute pic X (NH)...
Dj K.Smith 4:17 PM - 11 April, 2012
Quote:
Just for K Smith :P


instagr.am

www.servimg.com

And how did you call me out like that on the ipad? I wanna know so when I get my next toys I can return the favor, LOL...
dj-freestyle 4:29 PM - 11 April, 2012
Im pretty sure thats super imposed over the ipad. lol lol
DJ_X_Trodinaire 4:50 PM - 11 April, 2012
Ipad3. Sketch pad app ;)

Wait for my next toy to come in next week.
I'll add K smith and freestyle on the iPad
BriChi 9:59 PM - 11 April, 2012
I gotta give it to Denon on the iPad integration, 23,000+ files and it is fast, you can search and drop tracks from the iPad reading a usb drive plugged into the 3900. very cool feature and works very well
Djkom 12:38 AM - 12 April, 2012
Look at my concept of a Denon dual deck controller based on the sc3900 and the stanton scs1:

img703.imageshack.us
DJ_X_Trodinaire 12:44 AM - 12 April, 2012
i like the cue buttons on the bottom +1

BriChi Do you know if using the same Mp3 file from Serato and Engine would cause conflicts? ie tagging?
WarpNote 1:21 AM - 12 April, 2012
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i like the cue buttons on the bottom +1

Actually I don't, that's the major drawback of the ns7.
Gets in the way platter IMO.
BriChi 1:45 AM - 12 April, 2012
Quote:
BriChi Do you know if using the same Mp3 file from Serato and Engine would cause conflicts? ie tagging?


from what I just looked at quick now, no conflicts between the two
BriChi 1:52 AM - 12 April, 2012
it does seem though that they save tag info differently and serato has priority because it writes right to the file, for example, I changed a tag in engine but it doesn't effect the serato tag when i rescan the id3 info but if i change the tag in serato and reload the tag info, you see the change you made from serato in Engine, hope that made sense
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:59 AM - 12 April, 2012
Gotcha!

I guess i should do test samples before doing the entire library.

oh yeah back spinning on the 3900s is a wtf! Cant do it right LOL Torque is so strong.
dj-freestyle 3:56 PM - 12 April, 2012
you need good slip mats and sheet underneath thats why. thats good the torque is strong. it should be.
prizo 4:43 PM - 12 April, 2012
How do you guys like the cue / play buttons now that they are plastic? How about the layout of midi mappable buttons compared to the 3700?
Dj K.Smith 4:32 PM - 13 April, 2012
Aiiight fellas, just listed my 3700's on CL and if they go, I will go and get me a pair of 3900's... If only my brutha from another mother Silvio could give me an employee discount to make my purchase a little lighter on my wallet, (**wink wink**), that would be awesome, LOL...

Wish me luck for a quick sell and new gear purchase... Oh yeah X, I will post a pic if I am successful in selling my 37's and get the 39's...
prizo 4:35 PM - 13 April, 2012
Pleaasr guys im torn. I need an unbiased comparison of the 3700 vs 3900. Forget about the fact one is new gear. Who can hook me up?
DJ_X_Trodinaire 4:52 PM - 13 April, 2012
Wish I could help ya but I've never tried the 3700s

As for your Q on the buttons, I have o issue with them coming from cdj800s
I tend to use the hot cues more with serato.

Midi, I am new at this but the XML serato file, downloaded from pioneerdj works.
Again I don't know what and how to compare this to?

The one thing I found so far that I did not like was the midi mapped auto loop
I wish it was a momentary switch. I guess I got spoiled with the rane 62 auto loop roll where you just hold down the button to activate the roll and let go to turn off.
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DJ_X_Trodinaire 4:56 PM - 13 April, 2012
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Wish me luck for a quick sell and new gear purchase... Oh yeah X, I will post a pic if I am successful in selling my 37's and get the 39's...


Nice. Cant wait!
Silvio Z 8:03 PM - 13 April, 2012
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Pleaasr guys im torn. I need an unbiased comparison of the 3700 vs 3900. Forget about the fact one is new gear. Who can hook me up?


prizo, what are you looking to do with the deck?
Then we can suggest best one for you.
prizo 8:30 PM - 13 April, 2012
Same thing as everyone else, just a matter of preference as far as features and buttons. I am real skeptical with plastic buttons since the NS6.
djvtyme85 9:52 PM - 13 April, 2012
My question is whats needed for me to use engine, my iPad & thumb drives at my gigs. Will always need mobile broadband ?
Silvio Z 10:03 PM - 13 April, 2012
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Same thing as everyone else, just a matter of preference as far as features and buttons. I am real skeptical with plastic buttons since the NS6.



Prizo, I hear ya, but only the CUE & Play are now hard type (like Pioneer, I guess)
All others are Denon rubber keys.
Silvio Z 10:07 PM - 13 April, 2012
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My question is whats needed for me to use engine, my iPad & thumb drives at my gigs. Will always need mobile broadband ?


djvtyme85, you can use a computer or iPad

For PC/Mac, you need a network router or switch and some LAN cables
For iPad, you need a wireless router and some LAN cables
Silvio Z 10:19 PM - 13 April, 2012
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Wish me luck for a quick sell and new gear purchase... Oh yeah X, I will post a pic if I am successful in selling my 37's and get the 39's...



Dj K.Smith, I wish you luck and good move to update !
Dj K.Smith 12:51 AM - 14 April, 2012
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Wish me luck for a quick sell and new gear purchase... Oh yeah X, I will post a pic if I am successful in selling my 37's and get the 39's...



Dj K.Smith, I wish you luck and good move to update !


Thanks "Main Man"...
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:11 AM - 14 April, 2012
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Wish me luck for a quick sell and new gear purchase... Oh yeah X, I will post a pic if I am successful in selling my 37's and get the 39's...



Dj K.Smith, I wish you luck and good move to update !


Thanks "Main Man"...


No discount for you. Sigh
djvtyme85 1:45 AM - 14 April, 2012
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My question is whats needed for me to use engine, my iPad & thumb drives at my gigs. Will always need mobile broadband ?


djvtyme85, you can use a computer or iPad

For PC/Mac, you need a network router or switch and some LAN cables
For iPad, you need a wireless router and some LAN cables


So if I'm at a gig ill plug in my thumb drive, connect a ether net cable from one 3900 to the other, then I'll plug a ethernet to the router. Will that router than need wifi or have to be plugged into a lan line for the iPad functionality to work?
Dj K.Smith 2:24 AM - 14 April, 2012
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Wish me luck for a quick sell and new gear purchase... Oh yeah X, I will post a pic if I am successful in selling my 37's and get the 39's...



Dj K.Smith, I wish you luck and good move to update !


Thanks "Main Man"...


No discount for you. Sigh


Ask Silvio... I try X, I really do, LOL...
DJ_X_Trodinaire 2:32 AM - 14 April, 2012
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So if I'm at a gig ill plug in my thumb drive, connect a ether net cable from one 3900 to the other, then I'll plug a ethernet to the router. Will that router than need wifi or have to be plugged into a lan line for the iPad functionality to work?


You need a wifi router. this is how the ipad will see your HD library.
You do not need to be connected to the internet.
I just tried it and it worked :)

instagr.am
DJ_X_Trodinaire 2:45 AM - 14 April, 2012
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Ask Silvio... I try X, I really do, LOL...


Oh I know... you have been asking for discount since... man...way too long.

Just give up! LOL
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:10 AM - 14 April, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com

Quick Vid on how Denon Engine works
djvtyme85 4:12 AM - 14 April, 2012
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So if I'm at a gig ill plug in my thumb drive, connect a ether net cable from one 3900 to the other, then I'll plug a ethernet to the router. Will that router than need wifi or have to be plugged into a lan line for the iPad functionality to work?


You need a wifi router. this is how the ipad will see your HD library.
You do not need to be connected to the internet.
I just tried it and it worked :)

instagr.am


Thanks for clarifying that for me. Looks like this is going to be my next major investment. No more having to bring out my laptop.
djsmuve415 5:48 PM - 14 April, 2012
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You need a wifi router. this is how the ipad will see your HD library.
You do not need to be connected to the internet.
I just tried it and it worked :)

No more having to bring out my laptop.

But you know have to bring a gaudy wireless router with u at all times?!?! I mean, I know it could be hidden - but IMO that is the stupidest looking thing I've seen in some time. I'd still use a laptop, or a large capacity flash drive..
DJ_X_Trodinaire 6:07 PM - 14 April, 2012
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No more having to bring out my laptop.

But you know have to bring a gaudy wireless router with u at all times?!?! I mean, I know it could be hidden - but IMO that is the stupidest looking thing I've seen in some time. I'd still use a laptop, or a large capacity flash drive..


Sorry if you did not like the setup. I was just showing how it works.

Your music still runs off a flash drive/hard drive. The ipad is just another tool so you can see your library better; organize, make hotlist and do a search for a song. Then drop and load a song to the CD Player. You can use a laptop also. Ipad was another option.
BriChi 6:32 PM - 14 April, 2012
wouldve been cool for denon to incorporate wireless like bluetooth in the deck to connect to the iPad, think that would've impressed more people, no need for any router then, link the decks to each other and bluetooth the source deck to the ipad. Baby steps I guess, start with the idea like they have (and its a great one IMO) and improve on it in the future
DJ_X_Trodinaire 6:46 PM - 14 April, 2012
^^ you better Patent that idea! give me 10% lol
djsmuve415 10:32 PM - 14 April, 2012
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Sorry if you did not like the setup. I was just showing how it works..

it def wasn't personal bro -in fact ur set-up is really nice, clean too, & I'm not even a big fan of Denon equip... I was talking more in general principle of the set-up. and yes - it needs a blue tooth feature. soon in the near future I'm sure...
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:29 AM - 15 April, 2012
fyi sc3900 and Rane 62 does not fit the RoadReady RRDJCD10W

instagr.am
djvtyme85 5:04 AM - 15 April, 2012
Bt IMO isnt stable enough for me to trust it at gigs, I think they should've come up with they're own router that was DJ friendly size wise. For now I love the idea bc I can use my thumb drives but have a large screen to see my library. As soon as I put together the money this will be my new gig set up.
BriChi 2:18 PM - 15 April, 2012
the stability of the wireless is kind irrelevant, Even if the wireless drops for some reason, you just lose the ability to look at tracks from it vs scrolling on the deck, it's not like the music will stop, you're not streaming music from the iPad, it's only acting as a display pretty much
djvtyme85 8:26 PM - 15 April, 2012
Ok when you put it like that lol
BriChi 9:20 PM - 15 April, 2012
Lol
Bondage 9:50 AM - 18 April, 2012
Hi, everybody, I am proud owner off the DENON sc 3900 and I have also the Pioneer cdj 2000's and in the past I used the denon 3700 (wich I sold because off little irritations)...

My little review:

The cdj's 2000 working fine and I have no (big) problems with it. But for me the Pioneers cdj's are just 2 pieces of technologie that dont gives any plessure. Good if you want to mix with cue points and if you want a solid thing that does his job. The platter feels oke but nothing more ...
The Denons 3900 feels much better then the 3700 and all Pioneers and my first impressions are superb!! You understand the player directly and the irriations of the 3700 are solved. The loop functions are fantastic and the platter is the best I ever toutched. Less good than a turntable only because of the size, not because of the feeling, latency or anything else > The vinyl simulation is perfect! One big bad thing i've noticed is the backspin: you cannot do a nice backspin because the platter is to havy. Hybrid mode works better then HID pioneer mode.
Rick Hodgkins 10:56 AM - 18 April, 2012
^^^ But isn't it just the record that backspins?

I know a couple of guys that would dispute the hid to hybrid differences.

Can't imagine how cool this would be if the map was more detailed.
Why the hell cue point delete can't be mapped is a MAJOR flaw between the software and hardware.
This is one area where VDJ takes a monster lead in lacing the dj to the music through control.
Rick Hodgkins 11:05 AM - 18 April, 2012
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^^^ But isn't it just the record that backspins?


Disregard, early AM dumb ass...lol
Bondage 11:48 AM - 18 April, 2012
Yess, i mean the vinyl backspin dont works nice. Why i dont know. I've checked the instal settings but its very hard to do a nice natural backspin.
WarpNote 2:31 PM - 18 April, 2012
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Why the hell cue point delete can't be mapped is a MAJOR flaw between the software and hardware.

Are you saying its impossible to map the clr+cue button on the controller?
Rick Hodgkins 2:55 PM - 18 April, 2012
When you hover over cue delete [x] to assign in midi, nothing reports as assignable.
WarpNote 3:05 PM - 18 April, 2012
Let me have a check at that, pretty sure I mapped it on Touch OSC last year...
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:11 PM - 18 April, 2012
Yeah you cannot delete serato cue on the Sc3900

And true it's hard to do a long backspin. Might have to put some wax paper or plastic under the vynil.
WarpNote 3:16 PM - 18 April, 2012
Ah, you're right Rick. I could have sworn else, but I'm only able to delete cues by GUI or natively with dicers/hc1000s/rane mixer.
dj-freestyle 3:57 PM - 18 April, 2012
the back spin is the slip and record you are using. i have clears with customs slips on mine and they back spin aweosme just like my 3700 do. big ups to glowtronics for the customs slips and vinyl.
Konix 4:11 PM - 18 April, 2012
You can delete cues via MIDI, but it's a hidden/hack command you have to add to you XML file yourself manually.
Rick Hodgkins 4:16 PM - 18 April, 2012
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the back spin is the slip and record you are using.


That's what I was thinking when I posted about the record and retracted.
A back spin takes platter momentum, slipping records on mats aren't going to do that no?
Straighten me out on this, real curious.and not in front of mine at work here.

@ Konix, if you have the right command please post it up. tx
dj-freestyle 4:18 PM - 18 April, 2012
ill post a video tonight maybe of what 3900 come with doing backspin and replacing with custom slips and center spindle adjustped righ. If you notice if you loosen the 2 screws holding 45 adaptor on you can get the right spin.
dj-freestyle 4:19 PM - 18 April, 2012
when you get the right back spin just the record is spinning backwards not the platter. ill try to show with my 3700 witch i have here right now.
dj-freestyle 4:24 PM - 18 April, 2012
@ rich , ive never uploaded a video to youtube so this will be my first.
dj-freestyle 4:29 PM - 18 April, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com


i think youtube is still processing video, like ive said ive never done this. lol lol lol, sorry if awful
Chita79 5:11 PM - 18 April, 2012
im assuming the glowtronics slipmats/vinyl work with the 3900's as well right?
dj-freestyle 5:17 PM - 18 April, 2012
yep already tried them.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:29 PM - 18 April, 2012
^^ invest in a better camera pls LOL. Jk
dj-freestyle 5:34 PM - 18 April, 2012
hey hey, i said first time and a iphone. video is not my thing. sorry
WarpNote 5:45 PM - 18 April, 2012
Very short backspin either way...?
Rick Hodgkins 6:03 PM - 18 April, 2012
That is what I meant , when you grab a platter and throw it, a slipping record is not gonna carry that momentum.
WarpNote 8:16 PM - 18 April, 2012
Exactly, doing backspin on a 7" vinyl single is not the same as a 12" vinyl...
dj-freestyle 8:32 PM - 18 April, 2012
shot because i barely spun it. its spins almost same as my 12's.
dj-freestyle 8:33 PM - 18 April, 2012
but everybody has there own opinion so it is what it is. all good.
J.J. 3:16 AM - 19 April, 2012
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When you hover over cue delete [x] to assign in midi, nothing reports as assignable.

WEIRD.

There are two ways to do in the XML. The first is a 68 hack. Blackie Lox posted another way I have not verified yet. For 2.4.1, you have to reload your XML MIDI Map after you boot SSL every time. Frustrating...

Quote:
This example is for deleting CUE 1 on Deck A (the "#" refers to whatever midi channel/notes you are mapping the delete button to).

< Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A0" channel="#" event_type="Note On" control="#" />

The commands for the other buttons are as follows...

Deck A:
CUE 2: Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A1"
CUE 3: Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A2"
CUE 4: Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A3"
CUE 5: Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A4"

Deck B:
CUE 1: Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B0"
CUE 2: Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B1"
CUE 3: Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B2"
CUE 4: Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B3"
CUE 5: Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B4"

This is the method I used to map the Clear Cue buttons on my Denon DN-S3700's. I have no method of getting LED output to work as yet (waiting to see what info Serato is going to provide when they release their .xml file with LED output support for the upcoming Denon SC3900), but I hope this helps your other issue... since the kind people at Serato HQ
Rick Hodgkins 11:04 AM - 19 April, 2012
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shot because i barely spun it. its spins almost same as my 12's.


Thanks for the vid, and yes you can get a pretty decent back spin on these.
Gotta get into the map tonight to see if I can get delete cue to function.

Stone age shit in comparison though
dj-freestyle 3:59 PM - 20 April, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com





Hope this shows a little better you can get good backspin with right slipped on 3700 or 3900
WarpNote 1:45 AM - 21 April, 2012
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Watchwww.youtube.com
Hope this shows a little better you can get good backspin with right slipped on 3700 or 3900

Its decent, but with all due respect, that don't really sound like a 1200/1210 backspin.
The last part of the spin: "breaking" part, is missing...
Even on a Pio CDJ800/900/1000/2000 the backspin sounds nicer than that.
(if you know how to adjust breaking that is...)
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:59 AM - 21 April, 2012
It needs a little adjustment. the "Vynil" is a little heavy, grabby. Gonna try a different slipmat/plastic combo
WarpNote 8:52 AM - 21 April, 2012
Cool X_Trodinaire, would be nice if you guys would post another video once done :-)
dj-freestyle 2:58 PM - 21 April, 2012
if you expect a 1200 then your use a 1200. its a cd player yet as close to vinyl as possible so i disagree very much.
djvtyme85 2:59 PM - 21 April, 2012
Please post another video because that surely sounded horrible. I'm sure the platter adjustment plus a slip at should help.
dj-freestyle 3:02 PM - 21 April, 2012
Its the track so plenty of people have 3900 hundreds in here so they can post more. its getting old going back and forth
WarpNote 4:05 PM - 21 April, 2012
Don't get me wrong freestyle, the 3900 looks bad ass.
My local dj store just got them in. Will be test driving for sure.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:02 PM - 21 April, 2012
Hey Warp here is another video
youtu.be

First Deck normal setup.

Next deck playing: added 2 layers of plastic slipmats from my old vynil.
Works a lot better.
The vynil tension is not as grabby anymore.
WarpNote 6:41 PM - 21 April, 2012
Nice mod X Trodinaire.
Using the plastic both over and under the regular slipmat?
dj-freestyle 6:57 PM - 21 April, 2012
Nice work thank you
dj-freestyle 7:00 PM - 21 April, 2012
Exact same platter at 1200 so just have to get right slipmat..I was doing gig last and 6 guys who use cDjs were like after playing they are switching. I think if you started on vinyl it's a no brainier feel wise
DJ_X_Trodinaire 8:13 PM - 21 April, 2012
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Nice mod X Trodinaire.
Using the plastic both over and under the regular slipmat?


Yessir!

i still need to tweak it more. I want a little bit more slip for longer backspin
Maybe use a different slipmat and plastic combo.
Rick Hodgkins 1:04 PM - 22 April, 2012
Has anybody tried Butter Rugs with these?
OG Supernatural 10:39 PM - 24 April, 2012
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For me, the only reason I would consider these would be if it was native in SSL. I don't see any other reason to replace my S3700's.

+1
J.J. 5:15 AM - 25 April, 2012
There's no Loop IN/OUT (manual loop) as of now, the VCI-380 only triggers AUTO LOOP in lengths of 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. In addition, you can save 8 auto loops in one track, which work as loop on/off. -Vestax
J.J. 6:00 AM - 25 April, 2012
***Above post was for another thread***

I will be replacing my S3700 for the few reasons below:
* Drag & Brake Adjust. It's instant and real-time with visual feedback (Not Digital)
* No Platter Delay from Play. 3700 needs to reach 33 1/3 RPM before you can grab the platter
* Platter Pitch Adjust via spindle, record or platter dots
* 4 Hot Cues (I actually need all 5 though)
* New 2.5 hz TimeCode in Hybrid for Traktor
* LED ALL ON in Hybrid (Until SSL 2.5 with MIDI Out drops)
* Auto Loop and X .5 and X 2 (However, you still need a knob for this in SSL MIDI)
* MIDI Bank 2 sends a different MIDI command (SSL MIDI doesn't support modifiers)
* Instant Switch from CD to HYBRID MIDI. No more waiting.
* Better Ergonomics
* Disc Eject is out of your way
* Loops and Hot Cues are on the same side.
* Recessed Pitch Bend Buttons so you won't accidentally hit them while using the Pitch Slider.
* No more Grey on the corners (All Black)
* I'm assuming LOCK enables a different MIDI command for TIME, DISPLAY, SINGLE, MEMO.
* Top USB Insert
* High Quality USB (orange) slots found in RANE Mixers.

Someone please buy my 2 DN-S3700 :)
Dj K.Smith 3:02 PM - 25 April, 2012
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Quote:
For me, the only reason I would consider these would be if it was native in SSL. I don't see any other reason to replace my S3700's.

+1



What up OG?
Silvio Z 5:21 PM - 28 April, 2012
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wouldve been cool for denon to incorporate wireless like bluetooth in the deck to connect to the iPad, think that would've impressed more people, no need for any router then, link the decks to each other and bluetooth the source deck to the ipad. Baby steps I guess, start with the idea like they have (and its a great one IMO) and improve on it in the future


@brichi
Step by step....
Silvio Z 6:03 PM - 28 April, 2012
@DJ_X_Trodinaire, nice video and slipmat mod.

As you already mentioned, first important item is to not:
-over tighten the 2 top screws
When the screw head skims the adaptor, you should stop turning.
Do not remove that slippery sheet from the metal platter either, its designed to be there (had one user who did)

Just like a turntable, you can play around with slipmats to change the feel or slippage, its all a personal preference. The motor has enough torque (3.0kg) to handle them all.

I think a butter rug may be too thick, try wax paper instead.
Chewns 9:18 AM - 29 April, 2012
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@DJ_X_Trodinaire
I think a butter rug may be too thick, try wax paper instead.


A butter rug is as thin as it gets????
djvtyme85 3:56 PM - 29 April, 2012
But it's not thinner than wax paper #justsayin lol
Discobee 6:17 PM - 5 May, 2012
I joined the club yesterday. I still can't believe there are people buying Pioneer CDJs after playing with these...I guess HID or native mode is cool since you don't have to add the box...but the SPINNING PLATTER meng!!! Can't go wrong with these Denons.

i90.photobucket.com
Discobee 6:18 PM - 5 May, 2012
^^pardon the shitty cell phone pic and messy wiring...I had just unboxed it and wanted to get a pic asap.
Chewns 12:10 AM - 6 May, 2012
Beware of the new issue where the laser skips when around heavy bass.
An unfortunate showstopping bug.
Hopefully Denon will fix this pronto.
Discobee 3:37 AM - 6 May, 2012
That's occurred with the 3700 too...temporary solution is to put some foam beneath to dampen.
DJANGEL "EL FUERTE" 7:28 AM - 6 May, 2012
I just got mine S3900s an in Hybrid MIDI I know cant use the cues, ect... but we cant browse the library like the S3700s.
dj-freestyle 8:11 PM - 6 May, 2012
you can use cues and browns just like 3700. you must be set up wrong
Chita79 8:35 PM - 6 May, 2012
is it possible to create/delete cues in serato using the 3900s?
Djkom 8:52 PM - 6 May, 2012
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is it possible to create/delete cues in serato using the 3900s?


Yes just add these lines at the end the midi xml file provided by Denon:

<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A0" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="23" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A1" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="24" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A2" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="25" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A3" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="32" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B0" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="23" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B1" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="24" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B2" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="25" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B3" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="32" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />


Make sure that the Modifier 2 is well set, verifiy these lines in the begin of the midi xml file:
<Modifier name="Shift Modifier 2" event_type="Note On" channel="5" control="26" />
<Modifier name="Shift Modifier 2" event_type="Note On" channel="6" control="26" />

Now, you can delete cue by hitting CLR+the desired CUE button
Chita79 8:54 PM - 6 May, 2012
thanks Djkom! how do you also create cues?
Chita79 9:40 PM - 6 May, 2012
Nevermind! I got the create cues... thanks again!
djvtyme85 10:43 PM - 6 May, 2012
Silvio why hasn't Denon done a side by side comparison video to the pio cdj 2000 or technics 1200. Would persuade a lot of ppl like me who are sold but still hesitant
DJ_X_Trodinaire 10:53 PM - 6 May, 2012
DJKom

Thanks That works!
Wonder why Denon did not add those in the map?
Now just waiting for Serato to let out the next beta. Still cannot delete from the Rane 62
Discobee 3:34 AM - 7 May, 2012
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I just got mine S3900s an in Hybrid MIDI I know cant use the cues, ect... but we cant browse the library like the S3700s.


Did you go into Utility mode to set left deck to MIDI CH 5 and right deck to MIDI CH 6?
Discobee 3:36 AM - 7 May, 2012
Hey Silvio (or anyone that can answer this), is there a command to add to the XML file so that the eject button on the 3900 will eject the song from the deck in Scratch Live in Hybrid MIDI mode....just like we could with the 3700?
Djkom 9:54 AM - 7 May, 2012
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Hey Silvio (or anyone that can answer this), is there a command to add to the XML file so that the eject button on the 3900 will eject the song from the deck in Scratch Live in Hybrid MIDI mode....just like we could with the 3700?


Yes there is one...I'm not at home so I will tell you later.

Note that if you map the SSL eject function to SC3900 eject button and if there is a cd inside the player, the cd will also be ejected....

For those who complain about going to internal mode after a few minutes, I mapped the SC3900 bpm sync button to REL mode so now it easier to bypass this know issue.

I think I will share my midi mapping because I added interesting mappings like loop rools, switch deck control (to be able to use one SC3900 to control both SSL decks)...etc

The only functions that misse me are the very fast forward/rewind, the original fast forward/rewind are not fast enough for me...I know it is possible because with HC1000s there are buttons for that...
Rick Hodgkins 10:52 AM - 7 May, 2012
Has anybody used that xml mod on a 3700 yet?
One of my problems with them and the lack of a quick map in Serato midi settings.
Rick Hodgkins 10:54 AM - 7 May, 2012
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Note that if you map the SSL eject function to SC3900 eject button and if there is a cd inside the player, the cd will also be ejected....


Been scared to death to try that especially where my decks are buried in a table coffin with no cd access, but that would be handy as hell.
Silvio Z 5:26 PM - 7 May, 2012
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Silvio why hasn't Denon done a side by side comparison video to the pio cdj 2000 or technics 1200. Would persuade a lot of ppl like me who are sold but still hesitant



Thanks, good idea !
Silvio Z 5:27 PM - 7 May, 2012
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is it possible to create/delete cues in serato using the 3900s?


Yes just add these lines at the end the midi xml file provided by Denon:

<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A0" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="23" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A1" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="24" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A2" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="25" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button A3" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="32" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B0" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="23" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B1" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="24" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B2" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="25" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />
<Control name="Delete Cue Point Button B3" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="32" on_modifier="Shift Modifier 2" />


Make sure that the Modifier 2 is well set, verifiy these lines in the begin of the midi xml file:
<Modifier name="Shift Modifier 2" event_type="Note On" channel="5" control="26" />
<Modifier name="Shift Modifier 2" event_type="Note On" channel="6" control="26" />

Now, you can delete cue by hitting CLR+the desired CUE button



Very cool and thank you !
Silvio Z 5:31 PM - 7 May, 2012
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Beware of the new issue where the laser skips when around heavy bass.
An unfortunate showstopping bug.
Hopefully Denon will fix this pronto.



Thanks.
There's already a preset for heavy bass enviroments. (use Low)

>Platter Sens.
-High
-Mid
-Low
Silvio Z 5:32 PM - 7 May, 2012
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I joined the club yesterday. I still can't believe there are people buying Pioneer CDJs after playing with these...I guess HID or native mode is cool since you don't have to add the box...but the SPINNING PLATTER meng!!! Can't go wrong with these Denons.

i90.photobucket.com



Thanks for the photo and congrats !
DJANGEL "EL FUERTE" 5:42 PM - 7 May, 2012
Thanks to all for the help! everything is working fine now just a simple reboot! oldest trick in the book!
Chita79 5:44 PM - 7 May, 2012
So, you know how SSL goes to internal mode after 15 minutes automatically with the 3900s?
Well, i heard there was a way to map an unused button to go back to relative mode. What would be the new line if I'd like to change the "Serato library" function to be relative mode? thanks!
Silvio Z 5:48 PM - 7 May, 2012
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SSL goes to internal mode after 15 minutes automatically with the 3900s?



If you push Cue after each track is done or at least once in 14min, you will never see this.
Chita79 5:50 PM - 7 May, 2012
ill give it a shot! thanks
J.J. 7:54 PM - 7 May, 2012
Pushing Cue doesn't reset the signal in SSL.

When is Serato supposed to fix this?
Silvio Z 8:02 PM - 7 May, 2012
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Pushing Cue doesn't reset the signal in SSL.

When is Serato supposed to fix this?



Works for me, what is your process?
We dont know, but just like you, we hope in the next release....
Djkom 1:39 PM - 8 May, 2012
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So, you know how SSL goes to internal mode after 15 minutes automatically with the 3900s?
Well, i heard there was a way to map an unused button to go back to relative mode. What would be the new line if I'd like to change the "Serato library" function to be relative mode? thanks!


Here are my lines for Relative Mode mapping to Bpm Sync button:

<Control name="Relative Mode Button A" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="107" />
<Control name="Relative Mode Button B" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="107" />

The mapping to "Serato libray" (aka Display button) should be:

<Control name="Relative Mode Button A" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="22" />
<Control name="Relative Mode Button B" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="22" />
Djkom 2:02 PM - 8 May, 2012
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Hey Silvio (or anyone that can answer this), is there a command to add to the XML file so that the eject button on the 3900 will eject the song from the deck in Scratch Live in Hybrid MIDI mode....just like we could with the 3700?


Here are the lines for Eject mapping to Eject button:

<Control name="Eject Button A" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="1" />
<Control name="Eject Button B" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="1" />

But like I said before, if there is a cd inside the sc3900, it will be also ejected...
Chita79 2:18 PM - 8 May, 2012
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Quote:
So, you know how SSL goes to internal mode after 15 minutes automatically with the 3900s?
Well, i heard there was a way to map an unused button to go back to relative mode. What would be the new line if I'd like to change the "Serato library" function to be relative mode? thanks!


Here are my lines for Relative Mode mapping to Bpm Sync button:

<Control name="Relative Mode Button A" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="107" />
<Control name="Relative Mode Button B" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="107" />

The mapping to "Serato libray" (aka Display button) should be:

<Control name="Relative Mode Button A" channel="5" event_type="Note On" control="22" />
<Control name="Relative Mode Button B" channel="6" event_type="Note On" control="22" />



nice! thanks again :)
dj-freestyle 4:28 PM - 8 May, 2012
@j.J , hitting cue works for me so i think it does reset it.
dj-freestyle 4:30 PM - 8 May, 2012
will those codes work for 3700 to for rel mode and ejecting track? i would assume same for hybrid
dj-freestyle 4:33 PM - 8 May, 2012
and were do you type those at. im not so computer savoy?
dj-freestyle 4:35 PM - 8 May, 2012
got it in the xml file. all good.
Djkom 4:37 PM - 8 May, 2012
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got it in the xml file. all good.


Good news!!
Discobee 9:22 PM - 8 May, 2012
thanks Djkom!
Silvio Z 9:23 PM - 8 May, 2012
Good stuff, thanks guys.
May need to update our default file now....
DJ_X_Trodinaire 12:21 AM - 9 May, 2012
Tried the Relative Mode assigned to Sync button and it worked.

Thank you again DjKom!
Chita79 11:26 PM - 9 May, 2012
Silvio...is there any way to set the 3900's to automatically start on MIDI/Hybrid mode rather than with CD? (same goes for remembering your last pitch settings) I like my pitch at 16% and it seems to always defaults to 10%) thanks!
DJ_X_Trodinaire 11:33 PM - 9 May, 2012
^^ that would be nice.
Silvio Z 12:03 AM - 10 May, 2012
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Silvio...is there any way to set the 3900's to automatically start on MIDI/Hybrid mode rather than with CD? (same goes for remembering your last pitch settings) I like my pitch at 16% and it seems to always defaults to 10%) thanks!



You can save the Pitch and other things (its all in the manual) by going into the UTIL mode and selecting. "Save as Def." > "OK".

However, the startup mode will always be CD for USB safety connection reasons.
Say your USB cable is not plugged in at power up, then you plug it in while its already in Hybrid mode, there’s a good chance that the MIDI connection wont connect.
Chita79 12:09 AM - 10 May, 2012
Gotcha, thanks for the quick reply Silvio!
J.J. 5:02 AM - 11 May, 2012
I was hoping for Hybrid MIDI as a default start as well.

Sylvio, is there any way to default MIDI to Hybrid mode?

Hit MIDI and push PM (2 steps) as apposed to:
Hit MIDI, Turn PM Knob and push PM (3 steps).
Chita79 5:28 AM - 11 May, 2012
^what he said...
Djkom 9:57 AM - 11 May, 2012
Oh guys are you that lazy ??!!!! Anyway, that means that Denon did a great job because we are discussing on so small issues/expectations...Clicking on 1 or 2 more buttons per session is really not a pain..but in Denon side that for sure would complicate the firmware ....

For me, there are other main concerns:
- I notice some kind of drift during scratch session in Hybrid mode, that means sometimes the songs still playing (a few milliseconds) even if i hold the platter...Don't know, if the issue comes from Denon or Serato
- Fast forward/rewind speed (not really super fast) both Denon (CD/USB/LINK) and Serato (SSL mapping) side
- Songs playing slowly and shutting down in USB/LINK mode (appears to be an known issue with corrupted mp3)

But don't misunderstand, even with these concerns I REALLY LOVE MY SC3900s !!!!!
BriChi 12:15 PM - 11 May, 2012
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I notice some kind of drift during scratch session in Hybrid mode, that means sometimes the songs still playing (a few milliseconds) even if i hold the platter...Don't know, if the issue comes from


1. make sure your start and stop time on the 3900 is all the way to the left (fast)
2. play around with the threshold setting in the serato setup screen
Djkom 3:35 PM - 11 May, 2012
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I notice some kind of drift during scratch session in Hybrid mode, that means sometimes the songs still playing (a few milliseconds) even if i hold the platter...Don't know, if the issue comes from


1. make sure your start and stop time on the 3900 is all the way to the left (fast)
2. play around with the threshold setting in the serato setup screen



Oh! thanks for the hints! i will try tonight and let you know!
Silvio Z 3:51 PM - 11 May, 2012
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Sylvio, is there any way to default MIDI to Hybrid mode?



Sorry, no.
Djkom 1:27 PM - 13 May, 2012
My issue with songs going slowly is even worst that I imagined!!!!

Yesterday when I played a audio cd (not mp3, a real audio cd) I had the same issue !!!!! Then the deck didn't responded until I rebooted it !!!!
So it's not only USB/LINK issue!! It's a global audio reading issue!

Hope Denon will make an update quickly because except Hybrid mode, the decks are not so reliable !!!
DJ GaFFle 5:05 PM - 13 May, 2012
So what's the going price for these Denon 3900's and who has the lowest advertised price? I'm looking for an authorized Denon reseller so GC will price match.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:16 PM - 13 May, 2012
i seldom pay the lowest price LOL I'm a new gear geek Must have asap.

agiprodj offers free case for sc3900
Dj K.Smith 3:29 PM - 14 May, 2012
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So what's the going price for these Denon 3900's and who has the lowest advertised price? I'm looking for an authorized Denon reseller so GC will price match.


If only you were here in Cali... Got mine for $760 a deck...
jaenice 3:32 PM - 14 May, 2012
I have an issue if anyone can answer...

So I don't know if this is a malfunction.

I've noticed that when I am playing the decks at 33RPM the BPM in SSL changes constantly in decimals.

I changed them 45 and then the BPM is constant without changing the BPM to 45 in SSL.

**The Torque on both is set to 2.0
**I did loosen the screws to get a better back spin on both decks
**also the track indicator bar is always red, but I cant figure that one out either...

Do any of those things have to do with the BPM jumping around or is that normal?
Silvio Z 3:40 PM - 14 May, 2012
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My issue with songs going slowly is even worst that I imagined!!!!

Yesterday when I played a audio cd (not mp3, a real audio cd) I had the same issue !!!!! Then the deck didn't responded until I rebooted it !!!!
So it's not only USB/LINK issue!! It's a global audio reading issue!

Hope Denon will make an update quickly because except Hybrid mode, the decks are not so reliable !!!



Djkom, there are no other known reports for this.
Can you please describe this in more detail?
Are you able to reproduce on demand?
Did you try calling us? 630.741.0330
Silvio Z 3:46 PM - 14 May, 2012
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Do any of those things have to do with the BPM jumping around or is that normal?


It has nothing to do with the deck.
It just sends a tone and SSL does all the rest.
dj-freestyle 3:50 PM - 14 May, 2012
I have to send my first denon product in for support and ive been buying denon products for 20 years so thats tell you something. they build amazing stuff.
BriChi 4:04 PM - 14 May, 2012
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Do any of those things have to do with the BPM jumping around or is that normal?


It has nothing to do with the deck.
It just sends a tone and SSL does all the rest.


Yes and no, try and listen to the tone on its own, if the platter, pitch or tone is jumping around a little, it will effect the bpm in Serato, serato wont just randomly change bpm's unless the tone or pitch is telling it to.

When you get it to constantly change bpms on its own, jump to THRU and listen to what the tone is actually doing if the pitch sounds like its going high and low. also make sure you calibrate properly
Silvio Z 5:06 PM - 14 May, 2012
Thanks Brichi !
BriChi 5:42 PM - 14 May, 2012
no problem Sil
Scott Campbell 12:52 AM - 15 May, 2012
I am having the EXACT SAME pitch issue as Jaenice. The pitch will randomly and constantly change up and down as much as + or - .02% in both directions. This is extremely frustrating because It is not keeping the BPM constant. I reported this on the Denon board to as well and am waiting for a reply from them. My other player has a loose spindle on it. This issue has been reported by other members of the Denon forum and well. So I am here with 2 new players with 2 different issues.
BriChi 1:45 AM - 15 May, 2012
can you see if it happens with a normal control cd or put the serato signal wave on a flash drive and try? this will at least narrow it down to be an issue with the built in control signal that has been modified by Denon, if you can, make sure key lock is off on the denon player
Dj Wunder 6:35 AM - 15 May, 2012
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So what's the going price for these Denon 3900's and who has the lowest advertised price? I'm looking for an authorized Denon reseller so GC will price match.


If only you were here in Cali... Got mine for $760 a deck...



Yup I'm in Cali, care to share?
Djkom 1:32 PM - 15 May, 2012
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I am having the EXACT SAME pitch issue as Jaenice. The pitch will randomly and constantly change up and down as much as + or - .02% in both directions. This is extremely frustrating because It is not keeping the BPM constant. I reported this on the Denon board to as well and am waiting for a reply from them. My other player has a loose spindle on it. This issue has been reported by other members of the Denon forum and well. So I am here with 2 new players with 2 different issues.


Guys, these issues come from all motorized platters! even my ttx and sl1200 have these issues!
Perfect and constant rotation with this kind of mechanism is almost impossible because the smaller difference in vinyl weight repartition, any big dust , any irregularity (incline, vibration...Etc) can slow down the signal.
Since these motorized platters have also control signal mechanism which can correct signal fluctuation the bpm can move between a acceptance range., but the average bpm is quite constant.

So don't be afraid this little bpm variation will not affect your mix!
Silvio Z 1:39 PM - 15 May, 2012
Quote:
I am having the EXACT SAME pitch issue as Jaenice. The pitch will randomly and constantly change up and down as much as + or - .02% in both directions. This is extremely frustrating because It is not keeping the BPM constant. I reported this on the Denon board to as well and am waiting for a reply from them. My other player has a loose spindle on it. This issue has been reported by other membeiooo
rs of the Denon forum and well. So I am here with 2 new players with 2 different issues.


Give us a call.
C
Silvio Z 1:42 PM - 15 May, 2012
630.741.0330
Also test while the platter is not spinning.
Press the vinyl button to stop it.
Dj K.Smith 3:41 PM - 15 May, 2012
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Quote:
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So what's the going price for these Denon 3900's and who has the lowest advertised price? I'm looking for an authorized Denon reseller so GC will price match.


If only you were here in Cali... Got mine for $760 a deck...



Yup I'm in Cali, care to share?


Contact me on a secure line or meet me in a secured location and I will be able to give you the details. This forum has been compromised and therefore we cannot assume all transmission is secure...
Scott Campbell 9:19 PM - 15 May, 2012
I took video of each of my issues with my 3900's

This is the one with the pitch changing issue. It seems to only have this issue when the platter is spinning.

Watchwww.youtube.com

Before someone says it I am NOT touching the pitch bend buttons at all and there is an audible change int he time code when it is acting up. You can see on the scope that the software is seeing the time code change as well. Sorry the video is not any more focused but you get the idea.

The 2nd issue with the other player is the center spindle is loose and makes it impossible to us the platter accurately.

Watchwww.youtube.com

Is anyone else having these issues with their players??
BriChi 9:25 PM - 15 May, 2012
with the pith issue, does this happen if you take the 3900 out of "vinyl" mode so the platter stops spinning? It could be the platter rotation causing the issue, also I noticed that in the setup screen the 33.3 jumps sometimes which means the input signal is fluctuating a little
BriChi 9:26 PM - 15 May, 2012
pith = pitch
BriChi 9:26 PM - 15 May, 2012
as far as the loose spindle, yes I have see some users with this on the forums but they fixed it with a small allen key
Silvio Z 9:27 PM - 15 May, 2012
Sounds like both spindles are loose.
Give us a call
630.741.0330

If you have a .9mm hex key, you may be able to solve this in .a few sec without service
Scott Campbell 2:16 AM - 16 May, 2012
I will look to see if I have or can find the hex key needed to fix this but the main point is that it should not need fixing after only a month. The side with the loose spindle runs Scratch Live with out any tempo issues while the one with the normal tight one is having the random tempo changes. The tempo changes go in both directions usually + or - .02%. If I turn off the platter on the player that is causing the tempo change it seems to work correctly.

This is a VERY irritating problem because this issue is random as seen on the video and it is hard to correct for this issue while mixing.
Scott Campbell 2:23 AM - 16 May, 2012
BTW I did call today and the tech said I would need to return the one with the loose part to be repaired did not mention getting the tool to fix it. As for the tempo issue with the other player he was very dismissive and almost insisted it was not a problem with the unit and must be another issue.
BriChi 2:36 AM - 16 May, 2012
obviously it's a problem with the unit if it only happens wen the platter is in motion, unreal
BriChi 2:36 AM - 16 May, 2012
*when
DJ GaFFle 11:12 AM - 16 May, 2012
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BTW I did call today and the tech said I would need to return the one with the loose part to be repaired did not mention getting the tool to fix it. As for the tempo issue with the other player he was very dismissive and almost insisted it was not a problem with the unit and must be another issue.

Where are you Numark? If this is a design or quality-control problem, resolve it. This is why I'd prefer to get my unit from GC with an extended service plan. GC is really good with replacement of defective units. I replaced 2 bad Numark NS6 units w/o any issues. If I have another problem out of it, I'll replace again, then sell it.
spirez 2:06 PM - 16 May, 2012
Surely the pitch 'issue' is simply down to the direct drive motor. If something spins, there's bound to be a certain amount of drift (wow & flutter?) caused by the motor's mechanism. I get a slight pitch drift when playing on techs or str8-150s for that very reason.

Or am i way off the mark?
Djkom 2:24 PM - 16 May, 2012
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Guys, these issues come from all motorized platters! even my ttx and sl1200 have these issues!
Perfect and constant rotation with this kind of mechanism is almost impossible because the smaller difference in vinyl weight repartition, any big dust , any irregularity (incline, vibration...Etc) can slow down the signal.
Since these motorized platters have also control signal mechanism which can correct signal fluctuation the bpm can move between a acceptance range., but the average bpm is quite constant.

So don't be afraid this little bpm variation will not affect your mix!


that's what I said before..
Scott Campbell 4:26 AM - 17 May, 2012
A little BPM variation will def affect the mix! For example if I instant double a track at 0% it will start to get off after just a short while. ANY variation in tempo by the unit is unacceptable! According to Denon the new designed platter corrected the flaws in the 3700's which I had before these. To be honest the 3700's worked pretty flawless for me using the Hybrid Mode. I was excited when the new players were introduced because of the ease of switching between Hybrid Mode and other functions almost seamlessly. Right now I am beginning to question my purchase. I have posted this on the Denon forum but even after 24 hours my posting of the videos showing this issue have not be approved to be viewed by the mods on the forum!?! What is that about? I am just posting true information about the issues I am having and not getting much help about it. As for the loose spindle problem I was told I can PAY to send the just over a month unit to them to be repaired or I can go and SEARCH and TRY to find a .9mm hex key and purchase it myself to fix a problem that never should have happen in the first place. Again sorry to rant on but this is VERY frustrating after spending $2000 and less then a month have 2 broken players.
Mattatya 11:03 AM - 17 May, 2012
I use turntables mostly and Denon cdj 's when mobile. Having absolute spot on pitch on any media device is news to me. Having a .02% wonder is pretty good imo. Purchasing cdj 's that have spinning platters leads me to believe you are looking for that 'vinyl feel'. You got it...
Now Ride that pitch like our disco disc jockey brothers and sisters playing a recorded 1live 12in disco LP.

About the hex tool, all quality products require some form of break in maintenance. Simple fix with a $1 tool you should already own since you 3700 purchase. Never know when your platter may need tuned during a set.
djvtyme85 11:27 AM - 17 May, 2012
What I'm hearing pushed me to pass on this product. Floating bpm isn't a issue I don't even look at the screen for all that. What did concern me was I just don't think these are worth it. The only thing that is going to be a turntable is a turntable. So I'm going cdj
dj-freestyle 4:24 PM - 17 May, 2012
Your were gonna use cdjs to begin with. one dude with issues is gonna saw you. good luck with any product. go on pioneer forum. just as many issues. unreal
Scott Campbell 7:40 PM - 17 May, 2012
Functionality wise the Denon beats the Pioneer CDJ's hands down! I found the hex key in town for $1.04 plus tax and fix the one player myself. I am just wating on a respose from the Denon people about my other one having the pitch issue. I posted on the forum about 2 days ago about my issue and posted the video's on what is was doing and they STILL have not approved my post to be seen. The Denon rep linked to this page for an answer to the tempo issue and that is why i am postiong here. I love this forum because it is open to all suggestions good, bad or ugly!
Rebelguy 8:08 PM - 17 May, 2012
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I posted on the forum about 2 days ago about my issue and posted the video's on what is was doing and they STILL have not approved my post to be seen.


Welcome to the wonderful world of the denondjforums. Post anything negative about a product and the post either gets edited, deleted or they place the blame on you.

Once again Denon, quit providing that so called "unofficial" with a link on your main page.
Silvio Z 8:14 PM - 17 May, 2012
Scott, thanks for doing that and glad you got one Deck sorted.

Is the pitch ok on this deck?
Scott Campbell 4:11 AM - 18 May, 2012
I took the platter off and made sure it was seated properly and nothing was causing it to get hung up but do not work again till Friday Night so I will see how it goes. I want to reiterate that for functionality IMO Denon beats anything else that is out on the market and i have used almost all of it. I was pretty mad that in just over a month I had/have issues with both players. I am also not happy with the "unofficial" forum like Rebelguy has stated above. I looked again a few seconds ago and after abut 48 hours my post is still not there. How are we to get help with issues if no one can read our posts and replies in a timely manner? VERY FRUSTRATING! I will check the player tomorrow night and report back it is working better or I feel i need to send it in for service.

Thanks you Silvio for helping me out here on this open forum with my issues.

BTW i believe i got a .035 hex key to fit the player so if they do not have the metric one available you might could find that one in your town if anyone else is experiencing problems. I taped it to the bottom of one of my players just in case i need it again.
dj-freestyle 2:58 PM - 18 May, 2012
@SCOTT, did you call for support or just forum. ive found with denon that phone support is instant unlike most other companys. they pick up right away and help. just a thought
Silvio Z 3:45 PM - 18 May, 2012
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I took the platter off and made sure it was seated properly and nothing was causing it to get hung up but do not work again till Friday Night so I will see how it goes.


To confirm, the video you provided was shot at the club and not at home?
Does the club have heavy bass?
There is an adjustment for this in the preset mode called, "Platter Sens".
You should change it to "Low" and that could solve your issue.

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I want to reiterate that for functionality IMO Denon beats anything else that is out on the market and i have used almost all of it. I was pretty mad that in just over a month I had/have issues with both players.


Thank you.
We apologize for this as it’s not the norm.

Quote:
I am also not happy with the "unofficial" forum like Rebelguy has stated above. I looked again a few seconds ago and after abut 48 hours my post is still not there. How are we to get help with issues if no one can read our posts and replies in a timely manner? VERY FRUSTRATING!


For official business or immediate support, you should contact us directly.
While the unofficial forum does help resolve 99% of all questions and issues, sometimes it’s best to deal with us directly. I will ask the mods about your post.

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I will check the player tomorrow night and report back it is working better or I feel i need to send it in for service.


Thanks, and check that preset setting with and without the house system being on to see if its a base issue. Let us know.

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Thanks you Silvio for helping me out here on this open forum with my issues.


Anytime Scott.
Silvio Z 7:25 PM - 18 May, 2012
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I posted on the forum about 2 days ago about my issue and posted the video's on what is was doing and they STILL have not approved my post to be seen.



Hi Scott, your post is here.
www.denondjforums.com
D33p 10:33 AM - 19 May, 2012
First, I can confirm that posts on the Denon forums get deleted and altered (I took screenshots to prove it) . I even got a private message deleted from my forum's outbox in which I asked the moderator why he deleted my posts without any notice. All I did was asking for id3 "Key" tag support in Engine for iPad and the SC3900. I sent a complaint to both Denon EU and Denon US. The latter did not even answer... The SC3900s are my first Denon units and I'm shocked about the censorship and ignorance I experienced.

Scott's problem report magically (re)appeared on the forum but up to now wasn't answered by a Denon rep, so I'd like to add the following to it:
I can confirm Scott's problem. It doesn't seem to be related to Serato but to a problem with the spinning platter. The following is an excerpt of what I sent to Denon EU support:

"2) My second issue is a VERY serious one: In the club where the new SC3900s are installed, our resident DJs complained about the players getting out of sync during longer transitions. I checked this and can confirm that there is a problem. I don't know whether this is a hardware or a firmware problem but due to the fact that previous models (e.g. HS5500) had the same problem, I believe (and hope) that it is related to firmware bugs.
Please perform the following procedure:
- On both players, enable Vinyl mode (spinning platters) and set pitch to 0%.
- Load the SAME track into both players (it doesn't matter whether the players are linked via LAN or use their own dedicated USB device).
- Press PLAY on both players simultaneously.
- On our machines, I immediately can hear a warping/flanging sound which should not happen if both players would play at the same fixed speed.
The players get more and more out of sync over time. After approx. two minutes , they are completely off!!

I repeated this procedure with only one player in Vinyl mode: The warping sound and sync problems are less obvious but do exist on both machines (getting them out of sync just takes a little more time).

If Vinyl mode is disabled on both machines, both players stay in sync all the time, so I conclude that there is a serious problem with the spinning platter."

Additionally, I tried different torque, RPM, sensitivity settings but the problem remains the same.

The advice to our house DJs is to disable Vinyl mode until we have a better solution.

I must admit that I'm lost and desperate. From Scott's problem report, I get the impression that not only our units have that problem. But how should I proceed? Is it a firmware bug? If yes, can this be fixed and when? Or is it a problem with the hardware that can not be fixed?

D33p
D33p 10:37 AM - 19 May, 2012
Sorry, but I forgot to mention that the problem also occurs if amplifiers and speakers are switched off.
So it doesn't seem to be related to heavy bass, vibrrations etc.

D33p
djvtyme85 1:42 PM - 19 May, 2012
This very issue is why I couldn't chance and brought cdj 900. When I want that vinyl I got 6 1200s I can bring out lol. Denon get it together or stop putting out products until they are ready. People used have to tweak a $999.99 dollar media player.
Silvio Z 4:34 PM - 19 May, 2012
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First, I can confirm that posts on the Denon forums get deleted and altered (I took screenshots to prove it) . I even got a private message deleted from my forum's outbox in which I asked the moderator why he deleted my posts without any notice. All I did was asking for id3 "Key" tag support in Engine for iPad and the SC3900. I sent a complaint to both Denon EU and Denon US. The latter did not even answer... The SC3900s are my first Denon units and I'm shocked about the censorship and ignorance I experienced.


D33p, I'm sorry about this and don’t understanding it either.
I recall posting an answer to your Key field question, therefore my post was deleted as well…
While this unofficial Denon DJ forum does serve a purpose and does help 99% of all visitors, sometimes the MODs actions are indeed questionable.

I want you and others to know that if you have a question or problem with our products and don’t want to participate on this unofficial forum, please contact us “D&M Pro” directly by email or phone in accordance with your region. By doing this you can hold us ‘the company” accountable for the support or advice we give you. We have an excellent support team that responds quickly and will address all questions or potential problems.


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Scott's problem report magically (re)appeared on the forum but up to now wasn't answered by a Denon rep, so I'd like to add the following to it:


Thats because it was answered here by me. Its hard to manage the same questions by one user on different forums.


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If Vinyl mode is disabled on both machines, both players stay in sync all the time, so I conclude that there is a serious problem with the spinning platter."


Maybe its just a simple problem with a loose spindle screw as others have reported.
We can confirm this at our service center.
Although it could just be a 20sec fix with a hex key, you should not have to worry about this.



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I must admit that I'm lost and desperate. From Scott's problem report, I get the impression that not only our units have that problem. But how should I proceed? Is it a firmware bug? If yes, can this be fixed and when? Or is it a problem with the hardware that can not be fixed?


You shouldn’t assume that all SC3900’s have this issue. Even you found it to be just one deck.
The spindle screw is a mechanical adjustment done by a human at the factory.
Please contact us directly for best support.
Where are you from?
D33p 6:45 PM - 19 May, 2012
Thanks for answering, Silvio. What was your answer to my "Key" field question? To me, it seems inconsistent that Engine for PC/Mac supports more id3 fields than Engine for iPad and especially the units. I checked out Engine for Mac before buying the units (no local dealer has them, so bought them online) and was a bit disappointed about this inconsistency.

The link to the forum found on DenonDJ US and EU looks "official", that's why I went there. But what is happening there is far from acceptable, democracy or freedom of speech. Denon should change the link to the forums to "WARNING!!! You enter the forums at your own risk!".

I didn't assume that all units have this problem. I wrote: "I get the impression that not only our units have that problem".

Meanwhile, I borrowed a hex driver and checked the spindle screw. It was not loose. Anything else I could try? Just a thought: Maybe the units can be recalibrated from a service menu?

If not, I think I have to send the units in for service. I'm from Germany but had to buy the units online from Austria because none of my favorite German dealers had them in stock (expected shipping date is beginning of June).
I know that Denon has a service center not so far from my home town (Nettetal). I immediately would drive there by car to get my problem solved but I guess I have to send the back units to Austria!?

D33p
Rebelguy 12:34 AM - 20 May, 2012
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The link to the forum found on DenonDJ US and EU looks "official", that's why I went there. But what is happening there is far from acceptable, democracy or freedom of speech. Denon should change the link to the forums to "WARNING!!! You enter the forums at your own risk!"


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romch 3:44 PM - 20 May, 2012
Silvio... many people here have issues with the "Unofficial" forum and their mods. I know we don't need a million forums in the world, but I'm still half tempted to start a true forum for Denon users without the censorship we see currently. It's BS what those guys over there do...

Anyway.... I just purchased the 3900's and they should be getting here this week. I'm a little nervous after reading some of these posts about them not staying in sync in vinyl mode.
Silvio Z 5:55 PM - 20 May, 2012
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Thanks for answering, Silvio. What was your answer to my "Key" field question? To me, it seems inconsistent that Engine for PC/Mac supports more id3 fields than Engine for iPad and especially the units. I checked out Engine for Mac before buying the units (no local dealer has them, so bought them online) and was a bit disappointed about this inconsistency.


I know the Mac/PC version of engine does support a Global search for all fields (tags), so you can just Type in "5a" for the Key search and it will find them all. I'm not sure about iPad as I dont have it in front of me (it Sunday at home), but my guess is that it should be the same.



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The link to the forum found on DenonDJ US and EU looks "official", that's why I went there. But what is happening there is far from acceptable, democracy or freedom of speech. Denon should change the link to the forums to "WARNING!!! You enter the forums at your own risk!"


LOL, its really not the bad.
As mentioned many times when this subject comes up, 99% of ALL visitors come and ask their question or post their issue, we help them, they are grateful and move on. I know this to be a fact because I've been the person helping most of our customers there for 9 solid years...This is the positive side of the forum, now the bad.

Sometimes (and we are speaking of less then 1%) the actions of a MOD is questionable, like in your case, I do think it was wrong to delete your post. I don’t know the reason why. During my work day, I check in, help a few people out and get back to work. But I can ask Mike (owner) to look into this for you.



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Meanwhile, I borrowed a hex driver and checked the spindle screw. It was not loose. Anything else I could try? Just a thought: Maybe the units can be recalibrated from a service menu?

If not, I think I have to send the units in for service. I'm from Germany but had to buy the units online from Austria because none of my favorite German dealers had them in stock (expected shipping date is beginning of June).

I know that Denon has a service center not so far from my home town (Nettetal). I immediately would drive there by car to get my problem solved but I guess I have to send the back units to Austria!?


Ok, thanks for the follow up and checking the screw.
Yes, please contact them for advice and let me know.
All the best and sorry for this odd trouble.
Silvio Z 6:11 PM - 20 May, 2012
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Silvio... many people here have issues with the "Unofficial" forum and their mods. I know we don't need a million forums in the world, but I'm still half tempted to start a true forum for Denon users without the censorship we see currently. It's BS what those guys over there do...


I’m not going to disagree with you and others that there is inconsistency with moderation, which needs to be addressed by Mike C.(owner), but I will disagree that saying the problem is so massive that one should not participate there, its simply not true and misleading based on all the merits it does provide and has provided for 9-years.



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Anyway.... I just purchased the 3900's and they should be getting here this week. I'm a little nervous after reading some of these posts about them not staying in sync in vinyl mode.


Congrats and no need to worry, we have an excellent support mechanism in place and I am here for you.
romch 10:09 PM - 20 May, 2012
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Silvio... many people here have issues with the "Unofficial" forum and their mods. I know we don't need a million forums in the world, but I'm still half tempted to start a true forum for Denon users without the censorship we see currently. It's BS what those guys over there do...


I’m not going to disagree with you and others that there is inconsistency with moderation, which needs to be addressed by Mike C.(owner), but I will disagree that saying the problem is so massive that one should not participate there, its simply not true and misleading based on all the merits it does provide and has provided for 9-years.



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Anyway.... I just purchased the 3900's and they should be getting here this week. I'm a little nervous after reading some of these posts about them not staying in sync in vinyl mode.


That's the problem... people are having a hard time participating because they either change your words or censor you. How is that helpful?

I'm confident in the 3900's and know Denon's reputation for updates, etc.
Congrats and no need to worry, we have an excellent support mechanism in place and I am here for you.
dj-freestyle 3:23 PM - 21 May, 2012
My 3900's are here and we have 10 of them at work and havent had one issues with not staying on sync so must juts be a small issue with some players and as far as forum goes ive used it for 10 plus years without a issue but since you can call for support instantly i would go that route. just my opinion.
Silvio Z 3:34 PM - 21 May, 2012
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That's the problem... people are having a hard time participating because they either change your words or censor you. How is that helpful?


Romch, do you have some idea of how many times this happens per day, per week, per user?
I can forward this info to the owner to take action, but like I said, 99% who visit with an issue, leave with a solution.


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I'm confident in the 3900's and know Denon's reputation for updates, etc.



Thank you !
romch 3:36 PM - 21 May, 2012
No hard numbers... just observation. I participate on a lot of forums and there's comments all over about how it is ran. There's a reason even you made mention of it Silvio. There's an obvious issue over there.
Silvio Z 3:38 PM - 21 May, 2012
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My 3900's are here and we have 10 of them at work and havent had one issues with not staying on sync so must juts be a small issue with some players and as far as forum goes ive used it for 10 plus years without a issue but since you can call for support instantly i would go that route. just my opinion.



Thanks dj-freestyle, we are not seeing this either, could be faulty parts in this particular unit, it sucks for all when it happens and that’s why we offer warranty.
Rebelguy 8:07 PM - 21 May, 2012
Silvio,

Maybe you can ask the denondjforums.com mods to stop by this forum/thread and explain their exact reasoning for editing and deleting posts as well as their exact policies on posts.

I have asked this question a few times on their forum and have had the post deleted.
Rebelguy 8:08 PM - 21 May, 2012
Posts deleted. Yes it was multiple times.
Percy1210 9:58 PM - 21 May, 2012
I am in complete agreement with everyone who complains about the way the Denon forum (official or otherwise) is moderated. Discussions should be allowed to continue, positive or negative as long as there is no personal attacks or plain rudeness. Open discussion is always good. If people dont like the way that a thread is going they are not forced to read or contribute to that thread. Having a forum just to say how wonderfull everything is and have the same people just patting each other on the back is pointless.
If people keep bringing up the same issues it is because they are important issues to that individual and if its not resolved it won't go away unless its deleted. Thats not the answer. I am however also in agreement that there are lots of very helpful people on there and from time to time i would have been lost without it. Those people though are users and contributers rather than the moderators who police it with such an unecessarily heavy hand. I have also found with one Mod that if its not a thrread he likes or ideas he agrees with he is very patronising and belittling. Its not worth arguing with him or you get a private message.


Its even more of a worry when you put in your post how much you love a product that you are having issues or concerns with and they jump to its defence. And if they are wrong they never admit it. Do they read this thread? Time & deletions will tell i guess. Denon make some great products with great ideas, the unofficial forum does not always do the company justice.


BACK ON TOPIC. 3900s?
I don't think they are different enough for me to change right now. Engine is what i thought MM was supposed to be. The promise/rumor/suggestion we would get MM for Mac also left a sour taste for me. Once bitten twice shy regardless of the reasons. Doesn't man i won't buy Denon again it just means i will wait untill a lot more feedback is in first. Lets wait & see what the 2900 brings. Silvio seems like a great bloke, the mods could learn a lot from him.
Scott Campbell 12:09 AM - 22 May, 2012
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To confirm, the video you provided was shot at the club and not at home?
Does the club have heavy bass?
There is an adjustment for this in the preset mode called, "Platter Sens".
You should change it to "Low" and that could solve your issue.


The music I was playing came only out of my headphones so there was no vibrations at all.
I tried to change the torqe and the Platter Sens and it did not change the problem. I swtiched out the cables to my Sixty Eight and even swapped sides with the mixer and still had the exact same issue.

I took a new video of the 2 players with the scopes side by side and you can see the right player constantly had the tempo fluxuation while the left one is spot on. I will post the video when I get to the house beacuse I left my phone USB cable at the house.

I know it seems like a small issue but it is VERY annoying while mixing long transitions.

I am going to have to return the unit for service but it makes me pretty upset it will cost me about $40 bucks to send in a player that is a little over 30 days old.

Silvio I did see my post made it to the forum but again it tool over 48 hours for it to make it on there for public view and pretty much only happened when I complained about it. I guess I am gonna keep posting here about this issue because I seem to get quicker support then with the Denon Forum.

Chewns 4:41 AM - 22 May, 2012
That twat fanboy Gary is the main problem on the Denon forum.
Silvio Z 2:29 PM - 22 May, 2012
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I am going to have to return the unit for service but it makes me pretty upset it will cost me about $40 bucks to send in a player that is a little over 30 days old.


Thanks for the follow up.
Please allow me to help you with the shipping cost.
Shoot me an email with your SRA number that Tech support gave you.
marketing@d-mpro.com

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Silvio I did see my post made it to the forum but again it tool over 48 hours for it to make it on there for public view and pretty much only happened when I complained about it. I guess I am gonna keep posting here about this issue because I seem to get quicker support then with the Denon Forum.



That is because a new flood/spam system was put in place about a month or so ago by Mike/owner.
There has been a problem with webbots posting porn links and crap from China.

For newly registered users, all posts will be mod cued until "ok'ed". After you reach a small amount of approved posts, you can post live like everyone else.
Chewns 2:41 PM - 22 May, 2012
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There has been a problem with webbots posting porn links and crap from China.


Isn't denon gear manufactured in china?
Silvio Z 3:19 PM - 22 May, 2012
Crap from China = Auction sites
J.J. 4:20 PM - 22 May, 2012
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That twat fanboy Gary is the main problem on the Denon forum.

Gary has deleted and modified my posts. He has even deleted some of my private messages.

He is the reason I rarely go to that site anymore. Ironically, I've been on Mike's forum since 2004 and have helped more customers than him.
romch 4:24 PM - 22 May, 2012
J.J., myself and others were very frequent users back in the day. Not anymore... for all the reason mentioned above.
Rebelguy 4:30 PM - 22 May, 2012
So it looks like the Serato forums will become the uncensored unofficial Denon forums until someone starts a new one.
romch 4:31 PM - 22 May, 2012
I was willing to start a new one, but was advised not to. So....looks like you're right.
Chewns 4:37 PM - 22 May, 2012
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I was willing to start a new one, but was advised not to.


Advised by who?
romch 4:38 PM - 22 May, 2012
By the man we all wish would actually start an "Official" forum...
Rebelguy 5:35 PM - 22 May, 2012
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By the man we all wish would actually start an "Official" forum...


But the official "unofficial" one is probably how Denon would run an "official" one if they were to actually start one. The unofficial one is moderated as hard as the official Pioneer forums if not worse.

The official Serato forums are the way forums should be run. You take the good with the bad and learn from your customers needs and wants.
romch 5:37 PM - 22 May, 2012
I couldn't agree with you more. I think the Denon forums have turned into the Pio forums, where you actually have to think about what you say, ask, etc. Shouldn't need to be that way. It helps nobody to only let certain things through the filter system. I wonder if I started a new forum, how many people would actually use it or convert. I'm definitely down to do it. Maybe we make it a forum where we can discuss and talk about any controller, software, etc.... without the censorship. Hmmm....
Percy1210 8:38 PM - 22 May, 2012
I wonder if the get along gang over at the Denon forum have read this thread. It may be a wake up call for mike. It has a lot of good things about it. Its a shame its being ruined by the mods.
DJ Unique 10:12 PM - 22 May, 2012
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So it looks like the Serato forums will become the uncensored unofficial Denon forums until someone starts a new one.

Funny but true.

If you have something to say about any product, this forum is a good place to mention it. The audience here is huge. Bad news spreads like wildfire. So fast that other manufacturers sometimes have to come here to defend themselves.

I love it.
Rebelguy 10:32 PM - 22 May, 2012
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So it looks like the Serato forums will become the uncensored unofficial Denon forums until someone starts a new one.

Funny but true.

If you have something to say about any product, this forum is a good place to mention it. The audience here is huge. Bad news spreads like wildfire. So fast that other manufacturers sometimes have to come here to defend themselves.

I love it.


They are probably hoping it diffuses itself and that people forget about it. Whatever works.

Denon, Silvio and mods at the Denondjforums,

I will no longer buy Denon products because of the actions of the mods on the "unofficial" forums. I have also told people not to buy Denon products for the same reason. I am sure in the grand scheme of things these lost sales will not hurt your bottom line but who knows if others have done the same.
BriChi 10:38 PM - 22 May, 2012
I agree 100%, it is one of the reasons I lost some respect for the company, Denon. The only reason I still follow Denon equipment and forum is out of respect for Silvio, He is a great guy and was always helpful to me when I used to own their products, Plus, i always like new toys and like to follow and see "whats next" in the business

for me personally, I wouldnt let the unofficial forum sway your decision in trying new products though, I did try the new denon deck and like it, I am just more comfortable with the Pioneers at this point to not make the jump.
Percy1210 11:01 PM - 22 May, 2012
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I agree 100%, it is one of the reasons I lost some respect for the company, Denon. The only reason I still follow Denon equipment and forum is out of respect for Silvio, He is a great guy and was always helpful to me when I used to own their products, Plus, i always like new toys and like to follow and see "whats next" in the business

for me personally, I wouldnt let the unofficial forum sway your decision in trying new products though, I did try the new denon deck and like it, I am just more comfortable with the Pioneers at this point to not make the jump.


Yeah, i agree. If i like a product I am sure i am not going to let a couple of peoples bad atitudes or a clash of pesonality sway my decision but it can deffinately spoil the feel good factor of being part of an online comunity.
One of the most commonly talked about topics on most forums is "what is coming next"? & when, so to have a mod making coments like Denon will let us know when they have some thing to tell us is a bit silly to say the least. As is having a mod telling everyone why it is best to move away from "lappy" reliant djing when he is on a site centered to a large extent around products designed and marketed to work well with computers (as well as stand alone). Half the stuff we use everyday relies on computers so i don't really think a piece of DJ software is too much for a modern computer to deal with. And as for buying expensive PC/Macs & using them for nothing other than DJing just incase it crashes. I would be questioning my computer choice if it was that unreliable. Its worth a visit just to watch one of the mods desperately trying to deffend an issue that doesnt really exist. They jump to the deffence of a product way too quick when someone was only asking a simple question. I could go on forever giving specific examples but it s pointless. The site is good but ruined by a couple of the mods attitudes. Its not the only forum though & using other forums gives you a less biased view. I still like my 3700s & look forward to the 2900 info.
dj-freestyle 3:28 PM - 23 May, 2012
Why would a forum stop you from buying a product. Its a forum. im so lost on that one. So if serato forum was crappy you would use traktor. makes no sense at all. lol lol
BriChi 4:34 PM - 23 May, 2012
well some people look at it on the "support" end, if you are on the "unofficial" Denon forum, the support for the most part is a joke when Silvio is not present, so usually bad support deters people from buying products.

If serato started treating people like everyone was a moron and every post was deleted or modified when we had issues, I would look to another company for a product with great support on the back end in case I had issues
Rebelguy 4:39 PM - 23 May, 2012
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Why would a forum stop you from buying a product. Its a forum. im so lost on that one. So if serato forum was crappy you would use traktor. makes no sense at all. lol lol


Regardless of what Silvio says, Denon the company has a direct link to the denondjforums on their website. To me this means that they condone the forums and the actions the owners/moderators take.

I have owned a number of Denon products over the years. On numerous occasions I went to the denondjforums with questions and commentary on these products. Some were answered, some were edited or deleted. When I questioned these actions and called people out on them the comments were further deleted. I was eventually banned (I was reinstated later). When I raised questions about this on other forums many people had the same issues.

Now as a long time Denon customer why would I want to continue to purchase product from a company that sponsors a site which blatantly deletes or edits posts about problems with a product or peoples negative experiences with a product?

As a new customer it's even worse. As actual retail stores close people are moving more and more towards online purchasing. This means you don't have many opportunities to try products hands on. You have to purchase, hope for the best and if you are lucky you can return it if you are within the return period. I go to companies forums to hear about peoples real world experiences with products. If the negative feedback is removed, edited or scoffed at by the moderators on a site how can you trust a companies product?

Let's take the Rane 68 as an example. Suppose Serato deleted all the posts about the negative problems and you dropped 2 grand on it. You get it and realize that this isn't the mixer for you. You can return it but you probably gotta pay shipping costs and you are out the money until the store you bought it from credits you back. Wouldn't you be pissed if you later found out other people had the same problems but the posts were removed? Would this deter you from purchasing further products from Rane? Would you second guess them in the future?
Silvio Z 8:45 PM - 23 May, 2012
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Why would a forum stop you from buying a product. Its a forum. im so lost on that one. So if serato forum was crappy you would use traktor. makes no sense at all. lol lol



+1
You should only judge a company by how the "company" has treated you the “customer” and by your own experiences with regards to "official", email support, phone support, technical support, public support, expedited warranty repair support, knowledgeable / courteous staff, and overall reliability of the products purchased.

Not one single person throughout this entire thread had anything bad to say about how the company, “D&M Professional / Denon DJ” treats its customers and supports its products, including myself. (thanks for the props guys!)

That’s the true testament of a good company.

We know Trust has to be earned and we have certainly worked hard at that over the last 102-years of being in business. Denon DJ has established itself as one of the best and most reliable DJ hardware companies in the world.

Don't allow any forum or person(s) on the web to get under your skin. If you need support, contact the company and hold them accountable.

Thanks for your continued support.
Silvio Z 8:49 PM - 23 May, 2012
Back to excellent support....

Scott, did you have a chance to get to this?

V V V V V V V

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Please allow me to help you with the shipping cost.
Shoot me an email with your SRA number that Tech support gave you.
marketing@d-mpro.com.
Scott Campbell 9:53 PM - 23 May, 2012
Yes Thank You. Just got my SRA# from D&M and will email you the number here momentary. Thank you for you help in resolving this issue so quickly!
Percy1210 10:10 PM - 23 May, 2012
Interesting pic on the Denon forum ofthe 2900
Percy1210 10:17 PM - 23 May, 2012
Well there was an interesting pic for a while. Thankfully its in my history. www.sanecore.cn
Percy1210 10:18 PM - 23 May, 2012
Part of a marketing campain or more Denon forum deletions? Who knows!
Silvio Z 11:02 PM - 23 May, 2012
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Yes Thank You. Just got my SRA# from D&M and will email you the number here momentary. Thank you for you help in resolving this issue so quickly!



Thanks Scott, all done !
Check your email.
Rebelguy 12:40 AM - 24 May, 2012
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Why would a forum stop you from buying a product. Its a forum. im so lost on that one. So if serato forum was crappy you would use traktor. makes no sense at all. lol lol



+1
You should only judge a company by how the "company" has treated you the “customer” and by your own experiences with regards to "official", email support, phone support, technical support, public support, expedited warranty repair support, knowledgeable / courteous staff, and overall reliability of the products purchased.

Not one single person throughout this entire thread had anything bad to say about how the company, “D&M Professional / Denon DJ” treats its customers and supports its products, including myself. (thanks for the props guys!)

That’s the true testament of a good company.



And as I stated before...

"Regardless of what Silvio says, Denon the company has a direct link to the denondjforums on their website. To me this means that they condone the forums and the actions the owners/moderators take."

Silvio,

I know you will probably not answer this as you have not answered any of my other questions but why doesn't Denon just remove the link to the denondjforums? It's not like they can't be found via a google search.
Mattatya 1:45 AM - 24 May, 2012
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Well there was an interesting pic for a while. Thankfully its in my history. www.sanecore.cn


This is a great point regarding editing forum posts by users.
Looking through the forum there is no real place or sticky's of forum rules. But when you look up forum facts regarding attaching images here what is stated:

"What attachments are allowed on this board?
Each board administrator can allow or disallow certain attachment types. If you are unsure what is allowed to be uploaded, contact the board administrator for assistance.

So "Unofficial" Denon forum linked to "Denon DJ Forum" Official Website Denon site. What is allowed to be uploaded.

You don't state what can upload but have the right to take down a message with no justification or guidelines for us to use.

Denon posts a vague marketing stunt video and creates a 29 thread on forum to create buzz and discussion. Which only invites Denon forum users to make guesses while fill will excitement. Part of that guessing is finding tidbits on the internet which creates greater buzz and excitement for the company and product and you delete their post.


WHY?


Serato posts it clearly an easily
If you participate in the community you must agree to:

Be nice to others.
Not pass yourself off as an employee of Serato, or an employee of any Serato business partner.
Not post advertisements for any product or service.
Not post any contact details.
Anyone who breaches these rules may have their Serato community privileges removed.

Not that hard to follow when given guidelines.

If the Denon forum has more detailed rules I would love to find a link this that mess of faqs :)
Mattatya 1:52 AM - 24 May, 2012
Not having good etiquette myself right now helping to jack this thread but I found one other things on the faqs

What are Moderators?
Moderators are individuals (or groups of individuals) who look after the forums from day to day. They have the authority to edit or delete posts and lock, unlock, move, delete and split topics in the forum they moderate. Generally, moderators are present to prevent users from going off-topic or posting abusive or offensive material.

The last part of this states that the moderator is there to prevent posts from going off-topic (as this thread has) or for posting abusive or offensive material.

The poster that posted the picture was not off topic, posting abusive or offensive material. It was an image from a website related to the topic.

If it was a leaked pic from such website then that is between you and the company website. But once leaked public its just plain leaked and Denon as a company has to accept that.
Percy1210 1:59 AM - 24 May, 2012
It could have just been a fake or mock up. It isn't really that important. It could all be a marketing stunt. They even took away my post asking where the pic went wich is a bit pointles but not really that surprising.
Mattatya 4:34 AM - 24 May, 2012
I track down the product detail for the 29 from the side and they even a PDF product guide for side by side comparison of yhe29 and 39. Even if it was fake and it may possibly be, its still creates buzz and chat about what people think the product could be which is why they post these kinds of marketing vids with little detail of product. They want to create this kind of reaction. If memory serves me when the 3900 was being teased they stated on one of the namm threads that they don't create official threads till they officially announce which they did for the 29. Don't quote me though, they may of deleted there own post jk. Regardless I own Denon products from personal to professional gear and stand by the Denon but really care less about creating a public forum but limit free expression.
Scott Campbell 6:05 AM - 24 May, 2012
Took the player to FedEX tonight and have to say THANK YOU to Silvio for taking very good care of my issue so quickly. I emailed him and i think within an hour he did exactly what he said he would do and sent me a return label for my 3900. I have to say that is GREAT customer service.

Looking forward to getting my player back in service and working like it should.

Again thanks to Silvio on helping me with my player!

Scott
Silvio Z 7:49 PM - 30 May, 2012
Denon DJ SC3900 Scores BIG, 9/10 from DJMAG !

Read On:
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romch 9:49 PM - 2 June, 2012
I just got my new decks and have been messing with them for about an hour and have been having an issue with one. I am using hybrid mode, but everytime I go into midi, select hybrid, then try to push play, the player just automatically jumps to CD mode. I can't seem to figure this out. Anyone seen this or know what might be going on? The other player works perfectly fine. Frustrated... wanted to use these tonight, but guess I'll have to wait till this is straightened out.
Djkom 9:37 PM - 3 June, 2012
To sc3900 owners: How is yur pitch bend buttons "speed sensibility" ? Mine are too fast, I mean that a brief push on them speed up the song too fast! Is there a way to change any settings to have a smoother pitch bend speed ?
djvtyme85 10:12 PM - 3 June, 2012
This thread is making me so happy I came to my senses and went with the other option. For this kind of money I think Denon rushed the product to soon.
Silvio Z 10:16 PM - 3 June, 2012
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To sc3900 owners: How is yur pitch bend buttons "speed sensibility" ? Mine are too fast, I mean that a brief push on them speed up the song too fast! Is there a way to change any settings to have a smoother pitch bend speed ?


You should short TAP them instead.
The longer you hold, the faster the change.
Silvio Z 10:29 PM - 3 June, 2012
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I just got my new decks and have been messing with them for about an hour and have been having an issue with one. I am using hybrid mode, but everytime I go into midi, select hybrid, then try to push play, the player just automatically jumps to CD mode. I can't seem to figure this out. Anyone seen this or know what might be going on? The other player works perfectly fine. Frustrated... wanted to use these tonight, but guess I'll have to wait till this is straightened out.


Chris, sorry to hear this.
Its the first report of this.
If its 100%, plesse contact your dealer for exchange or call us in the morning

630.741.0330
Djkom 10:35 PM - 3 June, 2012
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To sc3900 owners: How is yur pitch bend buttons "speed sensibility" ? Mine are too fast, I mean that a brief push on them speed up the song too fast! Is there a way to change any settings to have a smoother pitch bend speed ?


You should short TAP them instead.
The longer you hold, the faster the change.


I'm not sure to understand...In what sense TAP button can help me to pitch bend + or - in any mode (CD,USB or Hybrid) ???
Silvio Z 10:59 PM - 3 June, 2012
Right, push these buttons shorter as if you were tapping them.
romch 12:47 AM - 4 June, 2012
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I just got my new decks and have been messing with them for about an hour and have been having an issue with one. I am using hybrid mode, but everytime I go into midi, select hybrid, then try to push play, the player just automatically jumps to CD mode. I can't seem to figure this out. Anyone seen this or know what might be going on? The other player works perfectly fine. Frustrated... wanted to use these tonight, but guess I'll have to wait till this is straightened out.


Chris, sorry to hear this.
Its the first report of this.
If its 100%, plesse contact your dealer for exchange or call us in the morning

630.741.0330

I've been playing with it more today and haven't been able to reproduce the problem (it's been working fine).... which has me scared at the moment. I'm going to have to play with the player for a few mix sessions to make sure it's working as intended.
dj-freestyle 2:55 PM - 4 June, 2012
For the money these platers blow anyhting on the market away. thery have sold thousands and only a few issues so i find it hard to see how they rushed them. they basically upgraded the 3700 witch has been out for years. denon came strong with another great product.
Silvio Z 3:13 PM - 4 June, 2012
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For the money these platers blow anyhting on the market away. thery have sold thousands and only a few issues so i find it hard to see how they rushed them. they basically upgraded the 3700 witch has been out for years. denon came strong with another great product.



Thanks dj-freestyle, I agree.
There will always be some manufacturing defects with our parts vendors from time to time, that why we provide our customers with a warranty period.

Thankfully Denon DJ reliability rate is one of the best in the DJ hardware industry as we see very few failures with our products. Most unknown issues can be corrected by a firmware update.

When you buy Pioneer, you are not paying for a better product over Denon DJ, you are just feeding their expensive marketing machine and just bought a Top DJ or Club free gear on your dime. Pay a fair price for your own gear, buy Denon DJ.
Chewns 3:24 PM - 4 June, 2012
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When you buy Pioneer, you are not paying for a better product over Denon DJ, you are just feeding their expensive marketing machine and just bought a Top DJ or Club free gear on your dime. Pay a fair price for your own gear, buy Denon DJ.


Your constant digs at pioneer only serves to show how unprofessional you are.
romch 3:26 PM - 4 June, 2012
I have to say... these are definitely great decks. I'm praying that I just had a glitch the first time around when trying them. So far they've been holding up. I'm trying to find a way to incorporate my dicers into my setup. Anyone have any pics of these with the dicers?
Silvio Z 3:35 PM - 4 June, 2012
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Your constant digs at pioneer only serves to show how unprofessional you are.



Dont confuse digs with facts.
If you care to disagree, that’s fine, but support your comments with meaningful dialog.
BriChi 3:39 PM - 4 June, 2012
dont confuse facts with opinions :)
dj-freestyle 4:00 PM - 4 June, 2012
facts are facts. denon builds superior products and sells them for less money. i can call a denon service person and get help instantly. Pioneer builds nice stuff and ive used alot of there stuff bit i feel for the money there is no comparsion. period.
BriChi 4:29 PM - 4 June, 2012
its not a fact, its opinion, the hardware may be "better quality" but when the firmware constantly fails, its not a better product overall

3500 - heat issue, locks up a lot, sold it
5500 - sometimes when play button was pressed the deck played 1 second and froze, deck discontinued, sold it
3700 - same as 5500 which took denon a year to fix, sold it
3900 - out of box bugs mostly fixed, key lock is still a disaster, and tracks were suddenly playing slow as if the deck couldn't keep up, had a loaner to test, returned it

Pioneer
cdj2000 - have no issues with it, use it 3-4 every weekend for the last almost 3 years
BriChi 4:30 PM - 4 June, 2012
3-4 parties
BriChi 4:34 PM - 4 June, 2012
and silvia knows this is all from decks I have owned, not just opinions or statements I have read. I give Denon a shot every time a deck is released but I never feel 100% confident every time i use them like I feel when I use the cdj2000, it's all from personal experience and what I am comfortable using. If all you are doing is using the 3900 to control serato, they are fine and work great and yes for the money are a better buy then some of the Pioneers, but again, as a standalone player, The devon is not a superior product in reliability, not since the dual cd decks that used to be work horses
BriChi 4:35 PM - 4 June, 2012
sorry, meant Silvio, not silvia, damn autocorrect LOL,, sorry Sil,
Rebelguy 4:56 PM - 4 June, 2012
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When you buy Pioneer, you are not paying for a better product over Denon DJ, you are just feeding their expensive marketing machine and just bought a Top DJ or Club free gear on your dime. Pay a fair price for your own gear, buy Denon DJ.


Let's get some other facts straight as well.

When you buy Pioneer you also get:

1. A product with a way better resale value if you decide to sell later on.

2. A product you will actually find in clubs. I have yet to run into a Denon stand-alone deck in a club.

3. A product that is pretty much on 99.9% of all touring DJs riders for those that use CD decks. You can make a lot of extra money renting these to clubs or promoters bringing these djs in.

I will agree with Bri Chi. I can go to a venue and feel totally confident with Pioneer gear. I can't say the same about Denon.
Silvio Z 5:36 PM - 4 June, 2012
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Pioneer

cdj2000 - have no issues with it, use it 3-4 every weekend for the last almost 3 years



Thanks Brichi, but you always seem to tell one side of the story, lol.
The CDJ2000/900, Rekordbox and other Pio products never had any updates?
I recall at least 5-6 updates (and more in the works) for each of the above and many customers being frustrated or disappointed.
While these issues may not have affected you, they did to others.

I think we can agree that both Japanese companies produce very reliable firmware driven hardware with similar features that requires firmware updates from time to time to solve unforeseen issues.
When you take away all the pioneer marketing, glitz, glamour, top DJs, riders, clubs and simply focus on “the naked product” itself, what are you really getting for your money?
The sad answer is nothing or nothing that’s worth double the price over a similar Denon DJ product.

Times and trends are always changing, in the 90’s nobody could touch Denon DJ, in 2002 came the first CDJ, now ten years later Denon offers two excellent products (SC3900/SC2900) that can clearly compete with any top CDJ model for less money.
BriChi 5:45 PM - 4 June, 2012
I do, Pioneers side of the story though from my experience were never show stopping issues, just tweaks people thought "were better for them". Yes, there are features I would like the 2000 to add but never since I bought the deck have I HAD to have an update to feel comfortable using it,

every piece of software like Rekordbox, Engine, hell even look at windows and OSX, they all could use room for improvement and add ons.

Sil, you know I like and try both brands so please don't think I am bashing the brand, Just speaking from my personal experience and speaking out to those who bash one product without even owning it, you know I won/use both and test the crap out of everything so my opinions are very rarely biased, they are facts from me testing
dj-freestyle 7:10 PM - 4 June, 2012
Well ive owned all the same products and lots more. denon controllers, denon cd players and denon mixers for almost 20 years and ive had to call support twice in 20 years so 2 sides to every story for sure.
BriChi 7:12 PM - 4 June, 2012
absolutely!
BriChi 7:24 PM - 4 June, 2012
I've been in the game 25 years and trust me, I have owned A LOT of dj gear that comes out between Denon, Pioneer, Technics, Urei, Bozak, etc..... and I use what I use based on what I feel I am comfortable with and whats reliable. All decks regardless of the brand do so many different things and dh's use them in so many different ways (for instance you may use the 3900's to control serato, I didn't) so you would of course see different results then I would.

If we all had the same opinion and taste, it would be a very boring world
djsmuve415 7:30 PM - 4 June, 2012
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A product you will actually find in clubs. I have yet to run into a Denon stand-alone deck in a club.


^This.... Sorry, but this is true. Not sayin' that it makes it right, but it does makes you wonder that it isn't all hyperbole & that their product is an industry standard for a reason.
dj-freestyle 7:31 PM - 4 June, 2012
For sure and yes ive used them all to. i have a mtx mixer and 1200's when i started and ive used pioneer, numark, denon, techinics, vestex, gemni, stanton, and on and on so i get your point. For me denon has always been the most reliable and the good thing is we all have choice and are opions do matter. I have kids ask me at every show what i use and why and that keeps the market going. You use what your comfortable and ive been in plenty of clubs that use denon stuff and that fact that more use pioneer dont mean crap to me. these same clubs hire awful djs so that doesnt tell you crap i think.
dj-freestyle 7:36 PM - 4 June, 2012
If we are gonna by whats in a club then i would much rather buy a product used by mobile guys because then you know it has to take beating and stand up and denon has always been the mobile choice.
djsmuve415 7:42 PM - 4 June, 2012
Well, I will admit I'm not in the mobile business - but I have been to many private functions & a good amount of weddings, and to be fair I have seen a couple of Denon dual cd rigs - but I've also seen a fair amount of rigs with CDJ 800's also... So whatever gets the job done, it's all good.
Rebelguy 8:25 PM - 4 June, 2012
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If we are gonna by whats in a club then i would much rather buy a product used by mobile guys because then you know it has to take beating and stand up and denon has always been the mobile choice.


Sorry but club gear take a lot more of a beating then mobile gear. A majority of mobile users own the gear and will at least make an effort to take care of it. Club DJs really don't give a crap about the gear because it isn't theirs.
djsmuve415 8:33 PM - 4 June, 2012
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Club DJs really don't give a crap about the gear because it isn't theirs.

Yupp.
djvtyme85 2:48 AM - 5 June, 2012
I'm past the stage of giving chances. My purchases are all based off my confidence in a brand or product. Denon has yet to earn my trust. I could give two shits about what the rest of y'all are using, but I do my research as any consumer should...if all I hear is negetive & I'm not risking my clients events being a failure because I'm using inferior gear. But what I do appreciate/ respect is Denon having someone like Silvio supporting it's customers and being there for input. Same reason I respect Rane. These are the things that make interested in purchasing a "alternative" product but based upon my needs in this case (and most) Pioneer won. So I can't tell someone don't buy Denon, I can just say Pioneer worked out for me...there won't be anything in the cdj form with a spinning platter that'll be a alternative to my technics because a turntable is a turntable is a turntable. They are heavy, they have delicate parts but they're what I came up on.
dj-freestyle 2:41 PM - 6 June, 2012
club gear doesn't take half the beating mobile does. We send 7 systems out a weekend and they all get beat up way more then any club i mix in so thats not true but ok. good part is pioneer fans can keep buying pioneer. I'm just glad denon keeps building active platters.
Rebelguy 3:26 PM - 6 June, 2012
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club gear doesn't take half the beating mobile does. We send 7 systems out a weekend and they all get beat up way more then any club i mix in so thats not true but ok. good part is pioneer fans can keep buying pioneer. I'm just glad denon keeps building active platters.


Then this means your guys don't give a crap about your gear. Mobile gear that is cased and even somewhat handled correctly during loading takes way less abuse then club gear. I have been in club where new gear is toasted within a week. Besides the usual handling abuse you have to deal with spilled drinks and more.
dj-freestyle 12:20 AM - 7 June, 2012
Seriously dude, we do 15 shows a weekend where the gear is lugged in and out of shows. clubs its just sits there. you have no clue what you are talking about but thats your opinion.
Rebelguy 12:57 AM - 7 June, 2012
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Seriously dude, we do 15 shows a weekend where the gear is lugged in and out of shows. clubs its just sits there. you have no clue what you are talking about but thats your opinion.


Seriously dude...I have been DJing both Club and mobile since 87 so I do have a clue what I am talking about. I also do mobiles every weekend myself. If you got your equipment cased and are marginally careful when loading then you will have minimal issues. If you are using padded cases or have a bunch of roadies that don't know what the hell they are doing then I can understand your point.

You obviously don't do clubs if you think club equipment does not get beat down on a weekly basis. Most major clubs have a sound & lighting tech on salary for repairs.
Rebelguy 1:01 AM - 7 June, 2012
Actually Freestyle...this is pointless to discuss. We both have our opinions so let's just agree to disagree.
djvtyme85 2:22 AM - 7 June, 2012
Can't we all just get along lol I had to
DJ Unique 4:30 AM - 7 June, 2012
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Actually Freestyle...this is pointless to discuss. We both have our opinions so let's just agree to disagree.

HaHaHa....
I hate this comment.
SFC Gash 6:10 AM - 7 June, 2012
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I'm just confused on how you guys think these blow the cdj's out of the water, LOL... All the 3900's have over cdj's are a spinning platter which can't even be used to pitch bend properly like a real turntable, So I guess if you are strictly a hip hop dj that scratches a lot and prefers spinning vinyl, then the 3900's are better for that, but if you are that into scratching, i would think you would still be on Tech 1200's

+1!

They look pretty cool and I have played on Denons before - but I totally agree with this



actually they can be used to pitch down your music. just letting you know, as with just about any analog turntable you have to be able to learn the touch that's all. of course its not exactly like the 1200. It's not a 1200 DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!
BriChi 12:18 PM - 7 June, 2012
yes, made that comment before I played with them, the 3700 could not be used though to pitch bend properly via the platter, this was greatly improved on the 3900 and works great. I forgot I even wrote that or i would have come back to correct myself once tested
Morkel 10:36 AM - 8 June, 2012
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I really have given Denon many chances to earn my loyalty as a customer.

I have owned:

DN-X1500 - Bad fader lag. Got majorly hot. Ultimately they introduced an updated model and did not fix the problems with the original.

DN-S5000 - Interesting concept but got tired of dealing with all the Macgyver fixes needed to get this thing to work.

DN-S3700 - Bought them from the beginning. Freezing issues. Skipping issues. No fixes until a year later and still problems.

Currently I have a DN-X1600. Decent mixer for the price but is nowhere close to the quality of the DJM-900 that they claim is an inferior product.


Same here. Bought a bunch of Denon units but the HS5500s were the last ones I ever bought:
- S3000: MP3-player with built-in sampler which can only sample non-MP3 audio
- X1500/X1500s: Both have problems with CUE buttons becoming less responsive (absolutely no abuse), heat problems, sound distortion with external effects unit
- HS5500: Nice concept. Promised "true vinyl feel" is not there (better with the latest update). Horrible bugs which were not ironed out for 1 1/2 years. Still problems with D-Link (e.g. f**ing text scrolling bug with garbled letters on the slave machine), very limited media management (e.g. no comment field. Wasted countless hours on copying and misusing tag fields like ALBUM)
PLUS: The aforementioned problems with these bulldogs -- sorry: moderators -- on the official unofficial forum: Requests/problem with a Denon unit? Common answers: "Normal by design", "Not possible on current hardware", "Maybe in future models", request deleted by mods.
Also: anyone remembers this so-called database crash when hundreds of messages (a good amount of negative ones) about the S3700/HS500 magically disappeared? The forum is hosted at a professional hoster who should be able to provide backups at any time...

I don't feel sad though. I spend my money on other gadgets now ;)
Fredo
dj-freestyle 3:52 PM - 8 June, 2012
So strange how one person has all these issues and the other person can own all the same stuff and have no issues. not one. i guess thats how it goes with equipment.
dj-freestyle 3:53 PM - 8 June, 2012
I had my s-5000 for 5 years and never one issue. they were like rocks yet i hear people had issues.
BriChi 4:06 PM - 8 June, 2012
a lot of bugs are discovered too based on how you use the deck vs other dj's,For instance, A dj that uses a 3900 as a standalone player with Engine analyzed files with have a completely different experience from a dj he is using the 3900 just to control serato you are correct by saying that you had no issues for 5 years but other dj's have, all depends on your style of how you use the player. I found bugs immediately in the 3900 and reported them to Denon and will be fixed but if I tested just as a serato controller, i would not have found them
BriChi 4:07 PM - 8 June, 2012
oh, and same goes for any deck, denon, pioneer etc.... I'm not just singling out the 3900 in my statement
Rebelguy 4:09 PM - 8 June, 2012
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a lot of bugs are discovered too based on how you use the deck vs other dj's,For instance, A dj that uses a 3900 as a standalone player with Engine analyzed files with have a completely different experience from a dj he is using the 3900 just to control serato you are correct by saying that you had no issues for 5 years but other dj's have, all depends on your style of how you use the player. I found bugs immediately in the 3900 and reported them to Denon and will be fixed but if I tested just as a serato controller, i would not have found them



Yup.
Silvio Z 4:32 PM - 8 June, 2012
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oh, and same goes for any deck, denon, pioneer etc.... I'm not just singling out the 3900 in my statement


In that case, can you please list the bugs you reported for your CDJ2000 and the 6 firmware updates its had so far?
BriChi 5:52 PM - 8 June, 2012
i have listed plenty of the HID bugs here alone on the forum. As far as the cdj in standalone mode using cd's or flash drives, the major issue issue I have with them is it cannot handle large libraries well, they tend to be slow searching via the deck if you have thousands of tracks, they seem to cater more towards club guys that come in with just their set for the night. The MT was was a little sketchy at first too, finally resolved. out of the box the 2000's have never really had "bugs" that let me down while performing, just needed some tweaking to get them perfect (or as close to perfect as they can get them). Other issues I have with the 2000's are mainly just preferences on the way I tend to dj, everyone has their preference and the decks cannot accomodate everyone, same for the denon decks, you guys listened to the dj's and got rid of the rubber buttons and now you have some guys that hate the new ones and want the old buttons back, no one will ever be 100% happy, there is always something different/better thats out there
Taipanic 6:12 PM - 8 June, 2012
I currently use a pair of 5500s I have had issues both with hardware and software compatability:
complete board fried when plugged into Rane 57.
Still get the play for 1 second and stop on one of the decks
Too much slippage with 45 installed.
Slippage on the platter in MIDI mode.

Could never get them to work properly with VDJ in MIDI mode. For my style of mixing they work really good with Serato. Other than the original Technics SL-P1200 and one Numark CDn88, I have used mostly Denon CD players. At one time they were the club standard. I still prefer them over the Pioneers. I too was not happy with a lot of Forum issues and was more than a little miffed when they killed the 5500 not that long afer it was introduced, I think they make a good product and put a lot of effort into listening to DJs and improving their products. Much kudos to Silvio, who puts a lot of effort into making us happy and getting issues resolved.
My current issue is not finding the new 3900s in stock anywhere local so I can try them out.
BriChi 6:28 PM - 8 June, 2012
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Much kudos to Silvio, who puts a lot of effort into making us happy and getting issues resolved.


+1000
dj-freestyle 6:29 PM - 8 June, 2012
I feel like the forum has been the big issue and i guess ive really had no experience with that over the 20 years of using denon products. does pioneer have a forum and how good are they? ive never need that forum either. Any issues ive had i just call for help.
BriChi 6:40 PM - 8 June, 2012
there forum is better now, I am on it mainly to help some people out that have issues like hooking up and using properly and to add suggestions for improvements. From what I read back in the day it was the same crap as Denons unofficial, deleting posts, banning, etc....
Rebelguy 7:04 PM - 8 June, 2012
I believe Pioneer learned that in this day and age that customer service both directly and online is key to maintaining and retaining happy customers. They have turned things around from what they were.

Denon does a great job through their direct customer service lines but really need to improve their online presence. It's starting to seem like Silvio's comment about 99% satisfaction from the forums is a bit off. As I have stated before. straighten things out with them or cut them loose. It's very easy nowadays to have someone start another forum or to even add a Denon section to an existing one.
DJ Unique 4:06 AM - 9 June, 2012
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So strange how one person has all these issues and the other person can own all the same stuff and have no issues. not one. i guess thats how it goes with equipment.

Same here.

I owned many Denon units going back to the 2000F and never had any real issues either. Worst problem I ever had was whenever I used scratched CDRs, which obviously was my fault.
Discobee 7:15 AM - 9 June, 2012
Dear Pioneer fans,

Please go and make a separate thread about your loyalty and love for the CDJ. This is not a bash-the-Denon-DJ-product thread. We, and by we, I mean a whole bunch of us satisfied Denon gear owners, are quite content with the 3900 and would like to have a thread with productive information in here. The last 20-30 posts have only been about Pioneer vs Denon B.S. and it's rather redundant and annoying.

Thank you,

A very happy Denon 3900 owner/user/DJ
Rebelguy 1:39 PM - 9 June, 2012
Dear Denon Fans,

We're sorry if this topic has gone a bit off topic but if you need more info and praise about your Denon product purchase an official (yet called unofficial) Denon forum does exist.

Thank you,

A very happy owner of many companies DJ products
BriChi 2:21 PM - 9 June, 2012
LOL

Every Denon or Pioneer thread turns into a mac vs pc like argument, Use what you feel fits your style of dj'ing, PERIOD

back on topic....
Silvio Z 5:20 PM - 9 June, 2012
Yep, back to the topic at hand > SC3900.
Rebelguy 7:59 PM - 9 June, 2012
My next question is...since Silvio is a rep from Denon and is in this thread answering questions and basically promoting the 3900 unit would it be considered advertising? If so wouldn't this violate one of the rules of the Serato forums?

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Not post advertisements for any product or service.
Silvio Z 8:32 PM - 9 June, 2012
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My next question is...since Silvio is a rep from Denon and is in this thread answering questions and basically promoting the 3900 unit would it be considered advertising? If so wouldn't this violate one of the rules of the Serato forums?



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Not post advertisements for any product or service.




serato.com
And the SC3900 will be a supported product of Serato in future SSL versions. (LED feedback)
Rebelguy 9:26 PM - 9 June, 2012
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My next question is...since Silvio is a rep from Denon and is in this thread answering questions and basically promoting the 3900 unit would it be considered advertising? If so wouldn't this violate one of the rules of the Serato forums?



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Not post advertisements for any product or service.




serato.com
And the SC3900 will be a supported product of Serato in future SSL versions. (LED feedback)


I find it interesting that I have asked you a number of direct questions within this topic and other but you only chose to address this one.

The link you posted states Denon is an official Itch partner. It does not mention the 3900s. Do you have an official statement from Serato?
popnwave 11:44 PM - 9 June, 2012
Is there really anything to be gained by this type of ball busting? The keyboard commando routine gets old. These forums are for group support not schlong measuring contests and semantics.
Rebelguy 11:56 PM - 9 June, 2012
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Is there really anything to be gained by this type of ball busting? The keyboard commando routine gets old. These forums are for group support not schlong measuring contests and semantics.


Actually yes. Denon the company has a very interesting past of promising features that take a lot longer then expected. I was merely asking a question regarding the information that Silvio had stated.
dreamkast 6:37 AM - 16 June, 2012
How many people are using the 3900 with Serato, as said before by many otheres, I'm basically sick of buying needles/records and having constant virbration/tracking problems at gigs.

Currently using 2 1200's with dicers and my 57sl. Still want to keep my 57sl, but looking at these at at a quick glance looks like I might not need my dicers? How many, if any midi mapable buttons are on the 3900?
djvtyme85 10:46 AM - 16 June, 2012
Let me know how much you want for your 1200s lol but seriously
Silvio Z 9:39 PM - 19 June, 2012
Dreamkast, many are using them with SSL in Hybrid mode.
yep, you wont have that trouble or cost anymore with the 3900's.
Silvio Z 9:40 PM - 19 June, 2012
SC3900 Review by djblaze at DJBooth.net

www.djbooth.net
Silvio Z 9:49 PM - 19 June, 2012
Taco Bell Pre Bash 2012 & Denon DJ Battle Part 2 w/Boom Entertainment - Chi Town - June 16, 2012


www.facebook.com!/photo.php?fbid=10150922933999340&set=a.10150922933819340.423913.127051169339&type=3&theater

And 999 more...

www.facebook.com!/media/set/?set=a.10150922933819340.423913.127051169339&type=3
dj-freestyle 2:25 PM - 20 June, 2012
I ran the booth that day. we had a blast silvio. I turned so many new people on to denon. It was a amazing day. ill post more pics.
dj-freestyle 2:27 PM - 20 June, 2012
Well me and joe ran the booth and we almost got killed by run away tent over us. you have to ask joe about it. It was historical.
rjfermin 8:37 PM - 25 June, 2012
Review & Video: Denon DJ SC3900 Digital Turntable Controller & Media Player

www.digitaldjtips.com
Silvio Z 8:47 PM - 25 June, 2012
Excellent review !
rjfermin 8:56 PM - 25 June, 2012
Dear Brichi ... I see you in many forums...you remember of my neighbor who is going apartment by apartment, criticizing very hard other people's children and saying how good and wonderful and unique is her own son ... and for every ^fault^ of her son, she always has an excuse..... and then saying that just does it for the sake of other families...to help then....and never stops doing it, trying to convince people of the ^truth^, even if it does not affect her.
Joshua Carl 9:54 PM - 25 June, 2012
I sat with 2 other Die hard 1200 fans and watched a few videos and we all seemed to agree that if the 1200s were not an option this would be our choice.

it would almost seem like someone sat down and said, look; we all love 1200s
but they are either goin to be very expensive, not so easy to come by.... and eventually
be even harder to keep the tanks running with no more replacement parts in production.

we need to re-invent the wheel for all these guys who might be coming over from vinyl.

not that I plan on abandoning my 1200s any time soon.
but I just do not like (OPINION) the platters on the cdjs
I understand its a "get comfortable with practice" thing on the CDJS.
Ive witnessed guys rip though cdj800s to dvj x1s

but after I got a pair of 3500s through a game of chance I was shocked how easy
the transition was, and thats a small little plastic jog wheel & slip matt.

its somewhat true.
most of the places I roll into have cdj800/1000/2000
and i think for straight mixing the simularities it gonna 12 or a dozen.
your not messing with the platter, or anything like that.
I like the beads on the denon platter, and obviously prefer the moving platter.

again, im not knocking either company.
but if I had to choose on design alone i would go with the denon for my style.
but, sadly, as mentioned unless i had the clout for a spot to honor my rider
Id 9/10 times be bringing them myself.
but in this day & age....I understand if you like gear other than whats installed
you better be prepared to lug it in.

again, kudos Denon on an amazing design.
I cant wait to see how these fair down at the DJ Expo this year!
BriChi 10:21 PM - 25 June, 2012
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Dear Brichi ... I see you in many forums...you remember of my neighbor who is going apartment by apartment, criticizing very hard other people's children and saying how good and wonderful and unique is her own son ... and for every ^fault^ of her son, she always has an excuse..... and then saying that just does it for the sake of other families...to help then....and never stops doing it, trying to convince people of the ^truth^, even if it does not affect her.


Where the hell did that come from? Stay on topic. So it's my fault I am asked to test out new gear and give a report on bugs? Your post makes no sense so stop talking shit about what I post. It's the truth. U want me to post all the videos to prove them?
BriChi 10:30 PM - 25 June, 2012
and how do you think it does not effect me? again, you have no clue of my background so stfu

and I am on maybe 4 forums dj related to:
1. help users that have issues do to 25 year dj background and knowledge of all dj equipment
2. show off pics of my gear
3. read issues people have so i know what direction to steer people
4. test and show issues I have so people know what to look out for

a lot of people jump around from forum to forum to show interest in the art of dj'ing which unfortunately has been lost by most of you wannabes who by a cheap computer, illegal software, illegal shitty sounding music and call yourself a dj

being that you most likely are a denon fanboy and is why you CANT BELIEVE they may have a bug, not once have I steered anyone away from the 3900, It is a great deck and solid right now IF you use it to control sera to, as a standalone usb "engine" deck, it needs some work like Denon already knows. So unless you have more to say other then "Brichi you're a baby", move on and enjoy what YOU use, don't worry about what I use or i say.

Silvio who is the main man at devon knows I back them and test a lot to help them get rid of any minor bugs as fast as possible, so back up what you say and know what you're saying, Most people especially on the sera to forum know me as a very humble, nice guy who is here to help people out which I have done hundreds of time for the last 7 or so years sera to has been released
popnwave 12:07 AM - 26 June, 2012
If only one of the local Sam Ash or GCs would get a floor model I'd be happy. It's all damn ALL IN ONE controllers now... Best Buy has a better deck selection around here (sad).
Silvio Z 4:54 PM - 26 June, 2012
popnwave, where are you from?
SC3900 will arrive to selected GC stores within days.
Some Sam Ash Locations already have them.
popnwave 3:02 PM - 27 June, 2012
Tampa, FL.. I'll stick my head in there again next week.
Taipanic 5:21 PM - 29 June, 2012
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Tampa, FL.. I'll stick my head in there again next week.


As of last week, neither GC or Sam Ash in Clearwater had them in stock and couldn't tell me when they would be getting any...
DJ Unique 5:38 PM - 29 June, 2012
or you can call Ty at AGI Pro DJ.
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As of last week, neither GC or Sam Ash in Clearwater had them in stock and couldn't tell me when they would be getting any...
popnwave 6:28 PM - 29 June, 2012
We were looking for floor models to get hands on time with :)
DJ_X_Trodinaire 10:23 PM - 29 June, 2012
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or you can call Ty at AGI Pro DJ.
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As of last week, neither GC or Sam Ash in Clearwater had them in stock and couldn't tell me when they would be getting any...

+1
rjfermin 5:26 PM - 30 June, 2012
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and how do you think it does not effect me? again, you have no clue of my background so stfu

and I am on maybe 4 forums dj related to:
1. help users that have issues do to 25 year dj background and knowledge of all dj equipment
2. show off pics of my gear
3. read issues people have so i know what direction to steer people
4. test and show issues I have so people know what to look out for

a lot of people jump around from forum to forum to show interest in the art of dj'ing which unfortunately has been lost by most of you wannabes who by a cheap computer, illegal software, illegal shitty sounding music and call yourself a dj

being that you most likely are a denon fanboy and is why you CANT BELIEVE they may have a bug, not once have I steered anyone away from the 3900, It is a great deck and solid right now IF you use it to control sera to, as a standalone usb "engine" deck, it needs some work like Denon already knows. So unless you have more to say other then "Brichi you're a baby", move on and enjoy what YOU use, don't worry about what I use or i say.

Silvio who is the main man at devon knows I back them and test a lot to help them get rid of any minor bugs as fast as possible, so back up what you say and know what you're saying, Most people especially on the sera to forum know me as a very humble, nice guy who is here to help people out which I have done hundreds of time for the last 7 or so years sera to has been released


If someone, who may live hundreds of miles from me, on a forum tells me what I said, I would be at least smiling....Just in case, I really like my neighbor, because I see she is so passionate and does not affect me in the least what she does.

I apologize, because you got upset
Moving platter-Fanboy
BriChi 10:33 PM - 30 June, 2012
no need to apologize man, all good... thanks for writing back
DJ GaFFle 1:14 AM - 2 July, 2012
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popnwave, where are you from?
SC3900 will arrive to selected GC stores within days.
Some Sam Ash Locations already have them.

This is irritating. GC has a sale on now and they still don't have the 3900. What's been the holdup?
dj-freestyle 3:45 PM - 20 July, 2012
You guys were so right about denons forum. what a joke. a complete joke. very sad stuff.
Certified Quality Entertainment 4:18 PM - 20 July, 2012
anything in particular freestyle?

How are you liking your 3900s by the way? I just finished upgrading my sound and lighting, so my CD rig is next. Tossing up between the 3900s and Pio 900s.
Silvio Z 4:23 PM - 20 July, 2012
freestyle, what happened?

Sorry, I dont find it to be a joke as "the person" helping most people with questions or issues for the last 9-years.
From time to time I do see people joining who are quickly reminded of the house rules by the mods and are dealt with accordingly.

I believe in this quote from Mark @ DJWORX.com

“Be polite, respectful and treat others as you would expect to be treated. Keep it constructive and on-topic. Speak in your own voice, and be accountable for your opinion”
dj-freestyle 5:03 PM - 20 July, 2012
Look at my post under in the forum under 1600. it was a fair question and they locked it. I would never treat or be mean ever. they locked a post that was a fair and polite question. The title is giving me a refurbished mixer. @silvio, i was stunned they locked it and acted that way. Thats awful customer service. awful.
dj-freestyle 5:08 PM - 20 July, 2012
my 1600 after being on for awhile the cue on each channel starts playing the wrong deck when you hit it and you have to hit it 2 to get the right deck to show up in the cue. its done it 10 times at shows and its less then 12 months old and they cant get it to happen at there testing facility so the guy was like well you its been on for 48 hrs. I was like have you dj on it for a few hrs. just running it wont duplicate it. they offered me a referbished one. its less then 12 months olds. @silvio, you always been very helpful so im sorry for coming across like that. You know ive always stood behind denon even when i was attacked for doing so. Just frustraded.
Rebelguy 5:16 PM - 20 July, 2012
Quote:

I believe in this quote from Mark @ DJWORX.com

“Be polite, respectful and treat others as you would expect to be treated. Keep it constructive and on-topic. Speak in your own voice, and be accountable for your opinion”


Too bad the moderators can't seem to follow this advice.
djsmuve415 5:27 PM - 20 July, 2012
^This
dj-freestyle 5:53 PM - 20 July, 2012
This is my first real issue in 20 years so Im gonna breathe a little and relax. hopefully it gets resolved but they way the forum was handled is worng. Ill stick to that point. Thats bad business.
Silvio Z 6:49 PM - 20 July, 2012
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Too bad the moderators can't seem to follow this advice.



Nor the users who get themselves banned, it works both ways....
Silvio Z 6:50 PM - 20 July, 2012
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This is my first real issue in 20 years so Im gonna breathe a little and relax. hopefully it gets resolved but they way the forum was handled is worng. Ill stick to that point. Thats bad business.



Freestyle, I agree with you and kindly asked the mods to unlock the post so I can reply to it, which I did. Check it out and hope you find it helpful.
dj-freestyle 7:43 PM - 20 July, 2012
@silvio, As always thank you very much and i agree after doing some thinking about it. Im glad you saw my point i was not at all rude i thought. Glad it could be resolved. Big props for standing behind me and helping. That means the world.
Silvio Z 8:05 PM - 20 July, 2012
My pleasure & anytime, have a great weekend !
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:06 PM - 20 July, 2012
Freestyle...you enjoying your 3900s?
dj-freestyle 8:08 PM - 20 July, 2012
Love my 3900. awesome and still use my 3700 as much. love both sets. The 3900 are amazing though. best players ive used so far.
Certified Quality Entertainment 8:13 PM - 20 July, 2012
freestyle - check you PMs.
Joshua Carl 8:43 PM - 20 July, 2012
Im pretty excited to give these a shot.... looks like Ill be waiting until Atlantic city though

they are the first NON 1200 Im excited about.
Rebelguy 9:08 PM - 20 July, 2012
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Quote:
Too bad the moderators can't seem to follow this advice.



Nor the users who get themselves banned, it works both ways....


Nor employees from Denon (you) who got themselves banned from DJforums.com in the past.

We can go all day at this if you want Silvio. The problems with the moderators for the denondjforums are not isolated to a few people. You can search this and other forums to see this.
El_MaUri 4:51 AM - 21 July, 2012
What kind of deals have u guys been getting? Been thinking about picking up a pair.
DJ GaFFle 1:49 PM - 21 July, 2012
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What kind of deals have u guys been getting? Been thinking about picking up a pair.

GC JUST got them in their inventory. Too bad they were so late. I'm not gonna buy from them unless they have at least a 20% off sale.
El_MaUri 6:47 PM - 21 July, 2012
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Quote:
What kind of deals have u guys been getting? Been thinking about picking up a pair.

GC JUST got them in their inventory. Too bad they were so late. I'm not gonna buy from them unless they have at least a 20% off sale.


+1

Been looking around, and they look like they're going for 1k.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 8:23 PM - 21 July, 2012
Try AGIPRODJ

They are offering free cases for the SC3900
Johnnynights 8:24 AM - 22 July, 2012
How are these denon 3900s?

Do they feel similar to 1200s

Im thinking of picking up a pair to leave my 1200s at home,you guys recommend?
dj-freestyle 2:44 PM - 23 July, 2012
Silvio handled forum issue and my other issues so you cant say denon doesnt try and customer service was amazing in the long run.
DJ Em Nice 8:35 PM - 30 July, 2012
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How are these denon 3900s?
Do they feel similar to 1200s
Im thinking of picking up a pair to leave my 1200s at home,you guys recommend?

Johhnynights - yes I would recommend the 3900s. If your use to the 1200s, the transition will be ease for you.

I've owned the 3700s and loved them. Used them with VDJ in MIDI mode and they were awesome. The 3900s are totally revamped. The torque on the platter on the 3900s feel like the 1200s.

I started DJn back in '84 in Brooklyn using 1200s and within the last 4 years made the switch to CDJs, all Denon products. Started with the 3500s and was amazed what the little deck could do. Moved up to the 3700s about 2+ years ago and was not disappointed at all. My only gripe would be transitioning from MIDI to CD's on the fly, the players would freeze and you would have to reboot, not ideal if your playing a set. This has been resolved with the 3900s. The effects were removed but my mixer has effects so that didn't matter to me and I am glad that they kept the dump option, for those tracks with some explicit lyrics....

I have VDJ and Serato (SL3) and IMO Serato Hybrid mode is better than VDJ's. Now with the 3700s MIDI mode with VDJ was, for me at least, the way to go.

I recently broke out the 1200s and set them up to teach my son how to DJ. If he's going to make some money doing this thing we all love then he will learn on the 1200s and work his way up to the CDJs.

Technics tried their best to get into the CDJ business with their DZ-1200s, Denon successfully accomplished what they set out to do so big ups to Denon.
Johnnynights 8:08 PM - 31 July, 2012
Dj Em Nice thanks for reply yeah i was thinking of picking up a pair because caring my heavy coffin with 1200s is a problem when i dont have a helper.

I have a friend who owns some 3900s and he would trade me for my mk5s but i dont want to get rid of my 1200s.
DJ Em Nice 1:31 PM - 1 August, 2012
If your friend has a few, more than two you may want to ask if you can borrow them other deck to get a feel for it before making a trade or selling those tables.

I picked up my 1200s about a year before the announcement came out about Technics, I don't plan on getting rid of mine, ever. Lol
Johnnynights 7:08 PM - 1 August, 2012
Yeah im going ask him,either way i want to pick up a pair lol.

Yeah me too i dont want to get rid of mines,i was a cdj guy then when i got to play with some 1200s my cdjs to me felt like toys.
Maver1ck 7:59 PM - 1 August, 2012
Is the 3900 worth upgrading from the 3700?
dj-freestyle 9:15 PM - 2 August, 2012
@mav, for sure. i own both and there is a huge difference is platter control. You will notice difference right away.
DJ Em Nice 9:04 PM - 3 August, 2012
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@mav, for sure. i own both and there is a huge difference is platter control. You will notice difference right away.


+ 1
Johnnynights 6:42 AM - 8 August, 2012
Dj Em Nice i also wanted to ask you when you use these with scratch live are these like turntables where the pitch numbers change or are these like cdj where the pitch is stable?
Dj Wunder 7:21 AM - 8 August, 2012
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Dj Em Nice i also wanted to ask you when you use these with scratch live are these like turntables where the pitch numbers change or are these like cdj where the pitch is stable?


Pretty sure the general rule is that any motorized platter fluctuates in pitch
DJ Em Nice 12:09 PM - 8 August, 2012
There are some discussions about the pitch and if I recall correctly the pitch does change and it's like Dj Wunder stated, it's a motorized platter so the general rule is that there will be some fluctuation in the pitch. There some pitch adjustments on the deck if you need to correct it.
dj-freestyle 4:25 PM - 8 August, 2012
My 3900 and 3700 are dam near perfect pitch even when im surrounded by bass cabinets. you get a little bit of flux but so small barely noticable.
DJ Unique 4:27 PM - 8 August, 2012
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My 3900 and 3700 are dam near perfect pitch even when im surrounded by bass cabinets. you get a little bit of flux but so small barely noticable.

Same thing here on my S3700's
Johnnynights 5:44 PM - 8 August, 2012
Thanks Dj Wunder and Dj Em Nice,yeah i was asking because if they do that is not a problem to me,i do use two subs like a few feet away hope if i pick some up thats not a problem.
djvtyme85 2:33 AM - 9 August, 2012
Honestly if your worried about about pitch fluttering it shouldn't be a problem. I'm Tehnics born and raised but my Pioneer 900 havent disappointed thus far...Sure the Denon joints sound great inn theory but Pioneer is the standard for a reason...lthey are are tried and true. Not to down Denon but the reliability factor is key in my decision. There is a reason pros choose Pioneer #noworries #proPioneer stopbbeing cheap
dj-freestyle 3:17 PM - 9 August, 2012
To me pioneer cdjs are big plastic pieces of junk. I was rasied on turntables and denon has hit the mark like no other. Active platters blow cdjs out the water i think.
DJ GaFFle 5:46 PM - 9 August, 2012
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To me pioneer cdjs are big plastic pieces of junk. I was rasied on turntables and denon has hit the mark like no other. Active platters blow cdjs out the water i think.

I can't necessarily +1 on calling Pioneers junk but give me an active platter over a static platter any day.
dj-freestyle 7:13 PM - 9 August, 2012
Ok that was a little harsh but they feel so toyish to me. always have. Its a long played out dj argument pioneer or denon. Its really personal chocie. When i hear well thats what the pro's use i get a little sick. I think what works out in real world gigs every weekend is more important then what the pro's use. Some get paid to use products so i would never go by that.
DJ Unique 7:38 PM - 9 August, 2012
They are both solid players. It's really more of a preference. I enjoy spinning platters so I use Denon.

I still don't get why Pioneer's stuff is so much more expensive though.
Joshua Carl 7:39 PM - 9 August, 2012
Active Platter + a psuedo vinyl slab is such a easy transition over.

my biggest gripe about CDJs is you have ro re-train alot of the stuff you have been doing.
(yes, adapapt, learn and embrace new technology or get left behind is a great idea in theory)

if your just mixing and doing the most pedestrian of scratching, or doing alot of long live
blends with unquantized (live drummer) music learning the nuances of a cdj can take some time.

granted, if your life is 125-135 bpm for 4 hours, and your just mixing, I can see why a active platter
and record might be overkill for you.
It would be amazing if serato and denon could link up and make the buttons on the 3900 HID, rather than midi... aot of midi devices, especially in the cue-point dept arent lightning fast.
and tend to drop key strikes if u go into neil pert mode.

either way, i cannot wait until DJ Expo next week to mess with em!

but a sad fact (like some people eluded too)
is that most places have some varient of the cdj...so unless the world has a major shift.
people who get em, more than likely will be bringing them to clubs.
Joshua Carl 7:41 PM - 9 August, 2012
that should have read:

"If your just NOT mixing and NOT doing the most pedestrian of scratching, or NOT doing alot of long live blends with unquantized (live drummer) music learning the nuances of a cdj can take some time.
dj-freestyle 8:35 PM - 9 August, 2012
My 3700 and 3900 are point on with midi in serato. hybrid works perfect and cues are perfect. so slipping or missing. ever.
Joshua Carl 8:42 PM - 9 August, 2012
Really?
I havent seen one MIDI controller yet handle proper drumming yet.
even the dicers, when used in MIDI (not native HID mode) drop when you start goin to town
with Video files (should specified that...not audio)
most handle audio only pretty well.

I mean we arent talkin AarabicMusic style stuff.... but fast and furious.
djcrap 4:31 PM - 10 August, 2012
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My 3700 and 3900 are point on with midi in serato. hybrid works perfect and cues are perfect. so slipping or missing. ever.



those two decks combined with the bridge shit is awesome!!!!!!!!

just map the sync channel buttons of the bridge to each of the bpm tap button on the 3700s then the internal player of the bridge to one of the buttons on the 3700......woo plus akaimpc40 for other bridge controls.......smh ( starts crying banging head on the table yelling shit is awesome)
Discobee 7:26 AM - 13 August, 2012
If anyone is seriously looking for a pair of 3900...PM me for info...
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:14 PM - 13 August, 2012
check pm
DJ PopRoXXX 4:55 PM - 13 August, 2012
Quote:
Really?
I havent seen one MIDI controller yet handle proper drumming yet.
even the dicers, when used in MIDI (not native HID mode) drop when you start goin to town
with Video files (should specified that...not audio)
most handle audio only pretty well.

I mean we arent talkin AarabicMusic style stuff.... but fast and furious.


I drum pretty well with my Dicers (I like to save beginning Cues for Kick & Snare on most of my extended edits). But that's native mode.
dj-freestyle 6:07 PM - 13 August, 2012
I drum in hybrod mode of 3700 and 3900 and i hear no lag at all.
romch 3:08 PM - 3 September, 2012
How do you guys have the dicers hooked up to the 3900's? I couldn't get mine to work correctly.
Taipanic 5:20 PM - 4 September, 2012
Silvio & Denon,

7 months later and I still can't find a unit to Demo in Tampa Bay. I know Denon is trying hard to reclaim the Club Standard Controller crown but it just isn't going to happen if people can't even demo the new hot gear. Personally, I am not going to consider shelling out thousands for gear I can't try at least a few times first. While I could do the purchase and return, I don't feel that's fair to the retailers or myself - I can usually tell in a few minutes if I like a piece of gear, not going to go through the time and hassle of having to send back and wait for a refund. I have a Sam Ash, Guitar Center, Best Buy Pro all within 5 miles of my house - none of them are intending to order any 3900s to keep in stock/demo. The nearest one Sam Ash could see in their system is in Miami. It shouldn't have to be this hard to try out the latest, greatest piece of equipment from one of the largest electronics manufacturers...
dj-freestyle 5:31 PM - 4 September, 2012
that seems like the stores fault not denons.
Taipanic 5:42 PM - 4 September, 2012
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that seems like the stores fault not denons.


To a degree, sure; but it is up to Denon (or any company) to do what it takes to get there product in those stores. Free demo loaner per store, discounted unit, manufacturer incentive based on units sold, something. People won't buy it if they don't know about it.
Even more important for Denon - Pioneer has become the standard at the club. I personally like the Denon controllers a lot better but would have never bought my first set (s5000) or second set (HS5500CD) if I didn't have one to try out first. Most people would just recommend the Pioneer and call it a day. If they want to build their user base up, they have to have the units out there for people to try.
djvtyme85 11:42 PM - 4 September, 2012
Yea it's Denons fault, they should be paying sales reps to ensure their latest and greatest is being Demoed
Joshua Carl 1:45 AM - 5 September, 2012
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net

sad but true.
brand new Guitar Center by my house.
HUGE location.... this is PRETTY MUCH the DJ Dept.
+ about 6 mixers. and a few CDJ options (not 3900, 2000s or even 900s)
Rebelguy 3:30 AM - 5 September, 2012
Supply and demand folks. If the demand is not there they won't keep a supply.

Given the current state of the economy and the loss of business to internet retailers it is really hard for a brick and mortar stores to justify purchasing an item to demo if no one is asking about it. There are about 225 or so Guitar Center locations in the USA. Supposed they paid $500 for the 3900. That is $112, 500 just to have one unit per store for demo. Now add in the cost of keeping inventory on them.

If Denon wants sales they need to make sure the 3900s are available for demo in key markets and then set up clinics at other stores. Set up events where the units are highlighted. Get some of their official DJs into some big name clubs and have them use the units. Get some big name Club DJs on the roster. They can follow the strategy that Rane uses.
djvtyme85 11:08 AM - 5 September, 2012
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Supply and demand folks. If the demand is not there they won't keep a supply.

Given the current state of the economy and the loss of business to internet retailers it is really hard for a brick and mortar stores to justify purchasing an item to demo if no one is asking about it. There are about 225 or so Guitar Center locations in the USA. Supposed they paid $500 for the 3900. That is $112, 500 just to have one unit per store for demo. Now add in the cost of keeping inventory on them.

If Denon wants sales they need to make sure the 3900s are available for demo in key markets and then set up clinics at other stores. Set up events where the units are highlighted. Get some of their official DJs into some big name clubs and have them use the units. Get some big name Club DJs on the roster. They can follow the strategy that Rane uses.


I agree
djcrap 5:25 AM - 17 September, 2012
is it normal for the devon 3900 to pump out too heat from the rear vents.....

i have the 3700s too but they don't heat up like the 3900 do...this is quite wired
WarpNote 5:58 AM - 17 September, 2012
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There are about 225 or so Guitar Center locations in the USA. Supposed they paid $500 for the 3900. That is $112, 500 just to have one unit per store for demo. Now add in the cost of keeping inventory on them.

Don't they have some "flagship" stores? Would assume so...
Silvio Z 9:12 PM - 19 September, 2012
Quote:
Silvio & Denon,

7 months later and I still can't find a unit to Demo in Tampa Bay. I know Denon is trying hard to reclaim the Club Standard Controller crown but it just isn't going to happen if people can't even demo the new hot gear. Personally, I am not going to consider shelling out thousands for gear I can't try at least a few times first. While I could do the purchase and return, I don't feel that's fair to the retailers or myself - I can usually tell in a few minutes if I like a piece of gear, not going to go through the time and hassle of having to send back and wait for a refund. I have a Sam Ash, Guitar Center, Best Buy Pro all within 5 miles of my house - none of them are intending to order any 3900s to keep in stock/demo. The nearest one Sam Ash could see in their system is in Miami. It shouldn't have to be this hard to try out the latest, greatest piece of equipment from one of the largest electronics manufacturers...


Taipanic,
You can find them (for sure here)
770 HALLANDALE
771 SOUTH MIAMI
Silvio Z 9:16 PM - 19 September, 2012
Taipanic,
You can find them (for sure here)

770 HALLANDALE - GC
771 SOUTH MIAMI - GC

Miami Lakes - Sam Ash
Taipanic 3:02 PM - 20 September, 2012
Quote:
Taipanic,
You can find them (for sure here)

770 HALLANDALE - GC
771 SOUTH MIAMI - GC

Miami Lakes - Sam Ash


Thanks Silvio, but I am in the Tampa area. Unless I have other business down there, I would probably not do the 10 hour round trip drive to try them out.
Magnum07 5:19 PM - 8 November, 2012
I just picked up the 3900's last month and once I got everything working I found myself to be very disappointed. While using the built in time code I found out that I can track the song back to the very beginning, unless of course I load the track with the cd player controller. I found this to be bad mainly because if I am in the club and I download a song and have to drop it off my desktop I'm totally screwed. I don't think I'm the only one who has had to drop a new song on the fly before and found out that due to the break/hook of the song I would have to start the entire song over again. I realize that I can search it back to the beginning, but that takes to long.

Aside from that the players are awesome.
Dj Roth 5:32 PM - 8 November, 2012
i think the 3700's are still great players.
Watchwww.youtube.com
dj-freestyle 5:36 PM - 8 November, 2012
@magnum, you lost us?
Certified Quality Entertainment 6:19 PM - 8 November, 2012
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i think the 3700's are still great players.
Watchwww.youtube.com


Using Timecode CDs, not hybrid right?

Dope set by the way!
Dj Roth 6:26 PM - 8 November, 2012
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Quote:
i think the 3700's are still great players.
Watchwww.youtube.com


Using Timecode CDs, not hybrid right?

Dope set by the way!


Thanks, actually i did used hybrid =] its way better
Certified Quality Entertainment 6:29 PM - 8 November, 2012
i thought the lights don't work with hybrid on the 3700s?

Are you able to trigger cue points/loops with hybrid on the 3700s?
Dj Roth 6:39 PM - 8 November, 2012
lights work with a 3rd party app though they dont reply to pressings
skunkiebutt.com
and to trigger cue points and loops you need to download the mappings from denon website i cant find them though, ill upload that later.
DJ Unique 10:17 PM - 8 November, 2012
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I just picked up the 3900's last month and once I got everything working I found myself to be very disappointed. While using the built in time code I found out that I can track the song back to the very beginning, unless of course I load the track with the cd player controller. I found this to be bad mainly because if I am in the club and I download a song and have to drop it off my desktop I'm totally screwed. I don't think I'm the only one who has had to drop a new song on the fly before and found out that due to the break/hook of the song I would have to start the entire song over again. I realize that I can search it back to the beginning, but that takes to long.

Aside from that the players are awesome.

Set up SSL to load tracks at the beginning.
Once load a track, create a cue point.
DJ Unique 10:18 PM - 8 November, 2012
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I just picked up the 3900's last month and once I got everything working I found myself to be very disappointed. While using the built in time code I found out that I can track the song back to the very beginning, unless of course I load the track with the cd player controller. I found this to be bad mainly because if I am in the club and I download a song and have to drop it off my desktop I'm totally screwed. I don't think I'm the only one who has had to drop a new song on the fly before and found out that due to the break/hook of the song I would have to start the entire song over again. I realize that I can search it back to the beginning, but that takes to long.

Aside from that the players are awesome.

Set up SSL to load tracks at the beginning once load a track, create a cue point.
dj-freestyle 10:19 PM - 8 November, 2012
Thats what i thought he was trying to say but i wasnt sure.
DJ Unique 1:33 AM - 9 November, 2012
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Thats what i thought he was trying to say but i wasnt sure.

Yeah!!!
Most people that transition from CDs don't understand 100% why tracks in SSL don't return to the beginning once the "cue" is pressed on the CD player. I've had to explain to most of my friends.
Taipanic 3:48 PM - 9 November, 2012
I work them just like turntables. Play/Cue buttons replace the Start/Stop button, cue points replace moving the needle. I run the 16 minute timecode on mine, set a cue on the Denon about 15 seconds in so I can back cue at the beginning of a track, if needed. I restart my timecode for each song, generally.
DJ Unique 5:36 AM - 10 November, 2012
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I work them just like turntables. Play/Cue buttons replace the Start/Stop button, cue points replace moving the needle. I run the 16 minute timecode on mine, set a cue on the Denon about 15 seconds in so I can back cue at the beginning of a track, if needed. I restart my timecode for each song, generally.

Exactly... with the only exception being 20 secs for me.
Since I use the 62 that makes it much easier to trigger cues.
Taipanic 3:55 PM - 12 November, 2012
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I work them just like turntables. Play/Cue buttons replace the Start/Stop button, cue points replace moving the needle. I run the 16 minute timecode on mine, set a cue on the Denon about 15 seconds in so I can back cue at the beginning of a track, if needed. I restart my timecode for each song, generally.

Exactly... with the only exception being 20 secs for me.
Since I use the 62 that makes it much easier to trigger cues.


I also use the Denon HC-1000 for cues, loops samples, and track scrolling and dicers if I'm spinning vinyl.
Silvio Z 11:37 PM - 14 November, 2012
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@magnum, you lost us?



Me too.
dj-freestyle 6:41 PM - 15 November, 2012
@silvio, lol lol glad it wasnt just me. unique figured it out thank god. I wanted to help but man i was lost.
Will08272 2:48 AM - 16 November, 2012
I came across a pair of used 3700's for about 650 you guys think its worth the pick up, with the 3900s being out.
DJ Unique 4:53 AM - 16 November, 2012
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I came across a pair of used 3700's for about 650 you guys think its worth the pick up, with the 3900s being out.

Yes.
dj-freestyle 5:38 PM - 16 November, 2012
ya you will love them. closet thing to 1200. you just have to be comfortable with pitch bend buttons with im so used to now.
Taipanic 6:22 PM - 16 November, 2012
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you just have to be comfortable with pitch bend buttons with im so used to now.


This is my biggest problem mixing on the Pioneers these days. Totally F'd up a mix filling in for a friend taking a pee break. So not used to the jog wheel anymore for minute pitch adjustments.
dj-freestyle 8:54 PM - 16 November, 2012
Ya i love pitch bend. Using denon old school cd players got me used to it and my numark ns6 had them so getting used to the ddj-sx witch doesnt have them has been weird but im getting used to it.
Certified Quality Entertainment 9:07 PM - 16 November, 2012
I was talking to my buddy about denon vs pioneer CDJs and I said I don't think I could ever use CDJs just because I am sooo used to the pitch bend from my denon Dual cd player.

It's funny, i use my TTs at home and totally comfortable, yet Pioneer CDJs I think I would screw up every mix with no pitch bend buttons. Very strange. And I think that is one of the main reasons pushing me towards the 3900s...or unless I can get a good deal on some 3700s.

Quick qustion if anyone knows. For the "hybrid" mode on the 3700s, would it be a big pain in the ass to be in that then have to pop a CD in and play off of that. I always heard there were issues with the 3700 going from different input sources.
Discobee 10:31 PM - 16 November, 2012
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Quick qustion if anyone knows. For the "hybrid" mode on the 3700s, would it be a big pain in the ass to be in that then have to pop a CD in and play off of that. I always heard there were issues with the 3700 going from different input sources.


No issues as far as I remembered using my 3700s...biggest difference is that it takes a few seconds longer to switch to the different modes after you press the mode buttons. The 3900s are alot more instant.
DJMINGIA 2:30 PM - 7 February, 2013
OK, so after reading through this long post, it seems that the 3900, when interacting with SSL, either can have ALL the LED's in the hot cues on, or ALL off.

So what if I only have a cue set on number 1 within Serato? Is there anyway to have the 3900's just light up cue LED 1, and keep the others unlit? Kinda silly to always have them either all on or all off if a particular song only has 1 or 2 hot cues. Can anyone answer this? Any MIDI hacks?
J.J. 5:19 PM - 7 February, 2013
DJMINGIA, you would need MIDI out from SSL.

You either have to be really good at coding XML...

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<Output name="Cue Point 1 A" ><Off channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="75" value="17" /><On channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="74" value="17" /><Flashing channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="76" value="17" /><Dim channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="74" value="18" /></Output>


or Request MIDI out from Serato.
serato.com
DJMINGIA 5:23 PM - 7 February, 2013
Actually, I can code. I coded out decks 3 +4 for use with the 3900's XMl file from Denon.

Is the code you wrote the exact code to paste in the XML file?
Does anything need to be modified for the second 3900 (second SSL deck), or is it all within the code you provided? Thanks
DJMINGIA 5:29 PM - 7 February, 2013
BTW, JJ, I must say thank you. I read through tons of posts, and you seem to have a great grasp on all of this. Keep up the good work.....
J.J. 6:03 PM - 7 February, 2013
Thanks for the kind words. Us DJs need to help each other out.

I'm currently testing my DN-S3700. I'm having problems because my Sixty-Eight is also MIDI channel 1. It exports to the 68 instead of the 3700. I will try to change the XML and 3700 MIDI channel first. If that doesn't work. I will plug in my RANE MP4. I don't have a RANE sound card, just mixers.

I was told MIDI out was just around the corner, so I really wasn't to concerned about this. Well it's been over 2 years and I'm still waiting. By the way, the display on the DN-HC4500 and S3700/3900 share some of the same HID and MIDI for the display to work. In Traktor, add DN-HC4500 as an output for your 3700/3900 and it outputs artist, name, pitch etc.
DJMINGIA 4:26 PM - 9 February, 2013
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<Output name="Cue Point 1 A" ><Off channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="75" value="17" /><On channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="74" value="17" /><Flashing channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="76" value="17" /><Dim channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="74" value="18" /></Output>



JJ, real quick. So, if I paste this code into my XML file, will it allow for true LED feedback?

Thanks
DJ GaFFle 1:12 AM - 11 February, 2013
I just picked the Denon SC3900 up. I haven't opened the box yet... any tips for a newbie?
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:17 AM - 11 February, 2013
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I just picked the Denon SC3900 up. I haven't opened the box yet... any tips for a newbie?

yes, open the box, RTFM, plug and play, enjoy as is. Then go to denondj download xml file for Serato. Then read this thread again for tips. Enjoy! ;)
Discobee 7:02 AM - 11 February, 2013
Don't throw your receipt away. Lol. Just kidding, I love my 3900s.
DJ GaFFle 12:20 PM - 11 February, 2013
I've already updated the firmware on the unit. I put a 3900 on the left with a turntable on the right side to compare the difference; I really didn't notice anything. If anything, it felt a little more comfortable having the 3900 with its smaller circumference 9" platter because it was closer to the mixer and flashing felt quicker to that side. I'm gonna spend some time researching any gotchas on the DenonDJ forum site. I'm retiring my NS6 now for all but the smallest of gigs.

Do you guys install the 'Engine' software on your machines as some sort of fallback in case there are issues with your Scratchlive software? I'm thinking it's unnecessary.

(nm)
Taipanic 3:03 PM - 11 February, 2013
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Do you guys install the 'Engine' software on your machines as some sort of fallback in case there are issues with your Scratchlive software? I'm thinking it's unnecessary.

(nm)


I'm still running the HS5500s with timecode but when I do upgrade I will install it as a backup. I run 64gig flash drives in each unit now, so I have backup if anything happens. My biggest issue with playing natively on the Denons was the screen is so small it was hard to scroll through & find tracks in a timely manner. With the 3900s you can use an IPad to scroll & load tracks. With the built in effects & looping features, you might do some gigs sans computer...
J.J. 6:00 PM - 11 February, 2013
DJMINGIA. I did some more testing and was unable to get MIDI output. You would have to confuse the 3700 to have the same hardware signature as the HC4500.

Just keep requesting MIDI Out from Serato. Remember, Serato charges a license fee yearly and per unit sold for Native Support. For instance, every time a Novation Dicer or Pioneer CDJ-2000 is sold, Serato gets paid. This is currently the #1 reason why their is no MIDI out.

The first Native Controllers didn't require a license fee like the DN-HC4500 or these discontinued controllers: Numark ICDX, Numark DMC2 and DN-HD2500. They might still work Natively, but will no longer be updated if the newer software doesn't work with it.

I loved my 5500. You turn it on and have access to your songs on an internal hard drive. However, it was missing features the 5000 had like separate Cue and Play, duplicate deck to alpha and MP3 support from the CD player. The biggest reason I switched from Hardware to Software was because of the shelf life of any hardware. If I set a Cue point on my DN-2600f, it would save it into internal memory, not the actual file. When you upgraded to another unit, you could not recall all the saved loops and cue points.

Now I'm trying to figure out how to unlearn looking at the visual beat matcher.
Discobee 6:09 PM - 11 February, 2013
I too feel that Engine is not necessary if using the 3900 with SSL. Back up is via a pair of 32gb usb flash drives.
djcrap 7:10 PM - 11 February, 2013
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I too feel that Engine is not necessary if using the 3900 with SSL. Back up is via a pair of 32gb usb flash drives.



exactly what i did!!!!

bought a couple of 32gb flash drives as backup and i live one of them on my keychain.


Smsh this is also were that serato watch with a flash drive comes in handy
djcrap 7:13 PM - 11 February, 2013
if only Rane and serato could support the denon 3900 and give us Hid mode on them!!!! i will be a happy camper.
Taipanic 7:50 PM - 11 February, 2013
Can you use the IPad for searching & loading tracks without Engine installed?
I was thinking:
A) Create flash drive with backup (or gig) music with Engine.
B) Use IPad to search & load tracks
C) Everything else done from the decks, no computer involved while playing.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 8:07 PM - 11 February, 2013
You will need Engine to use the iPad correctly.

You would analyze your music files on a laptop or desktop using Engine first, then transfer them to a ext HD or Thumb drive.

Then you can just use the iPad to Search and load songs. No computer involved.
DJ BIS 8:32 AM - 22 February, 2013
So, USB connectivity on the 3900 is there exclusively to allow the MIDI capability? Nothing else? I thought you could use the USB cable for both, the tone signal and Midi? That's a lot of cables to hook up!

But I guess its no different than hooking up a set of dicers?

For all you guys on the MacBook pro, are you having issues using USB Hubs (since you lack enough USB sockets? I always though USB hubs were NOT recommended?

And finally, I use an external drive to store all of my music. Can I use the USB connector on the decks as a way to get my playlists read on SSL, or will I still need to connect it to yet another port on the laptop itself?

It seems that there just arent enough USB ports! How are most of you external drive users dealing with this issue?

Thank you! The 3900's look like a great upgrade for the turntable appreciators!
Chita79 3:27 PM - 22 February, 2013
@DJ BIS....nope, I have a retina MBP with a usb hub and it works perfectly... I even have the 62 plugged into it and its a non issue...
Certified Quality Entertainment 3:37 PM - 22 February, 2013
Reps from Denon said plugging the 3900s into a hub is totally fine to do.
dj-freestyle 4:33 PM - 22 February, 2013
Ive always used usb hubs for 3700 and 3900 and no issues. We have denon reps at our office and they say its what you should do. Ive used powered and non powered and no issues at all.
DJ GaFFle 5:53 PM - 22 February, 2013
Which USB hubs do ya'll use?
Chita79 6:12 PM - 22 February, 2013
DJ GaFFle 6:35 PM - 22 February, 2013
Is it better to use USB hubs with or without a power adapter for the hub?
djcrap 6:42 PM - 22 February, 2013
i would recommend one with a power adapter for the hub.
Dj Wunder 6:59 PM - 22 February, 2013
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i would recommend one with a power adapter for the hub.


co-sign that
dj-freestyle 7:35 PM - 22 February, 2013
Ya i like the power ones and by far d-link 7 port is ones we all use and i also run a statefarm office and statefarm uses the d-links in 20 thousand offices so must have a good track record
Chita79 5:38 PM - 23 February, 2013
I definitely recommend using the power adapter... i def do
Taipanic 6:18 PM - 23 February, 2013
^ Agree. DO NOT US A NON-POWERED HUB!
No good can come from it.
Henry GQ 7:54 AM - 25 February, 2013
so is there still a pitch bending issue using the platter or ?

im thinking of picking these up

anyone use these with the rane 62 too ?
Discobee 8:40 AM - 25 February, 2013
No more pitch bend issue. Platter sweep and nipple tweak is just like a turntable now. Pick them up!!
dj-freestyle 5:37 PM - 25 February, 2013
Yep i use them with a rane 62 and as far as im concerned best combo out there period. If they had the screens the pioneer 2000 did with hid then it owuld be best ever. lol lol
Chita79 9:22 PM - 25 February, 2013
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Yep i use them with a rane 62 and as far as im concerned best combo out there period. If they had the screens the pioneer 2000 did with hid then it owuld be best ever. lol lol


^what he said ... I also use my 3900s with a 62... pure bliss
Marv Incredible 10:35 PM - 25 February, 2013
Just want to throw this in here for all those using or thinking of using a powered USB hub.... In case you don't already mark your power cords, MAKE SURE YOU MARK YOUR USB POWER SUPPLY. I was setting back up after a gig and grabbed the wrong power supply by mistake. Plugged it in and fried the hub, PLUS everything connected to it. Which was my iMac, a Denon HC1000s and a USB-MIDI cable. The iMac was fine except that two of the USB ports were blown.

It was a schoolboy error made by a studio vet. I always markup my plugs, but I got sloppy and paid the price.
dj_soo 10:58 PM - 25 February, 2013
^ I fried my logic board once by plugging in a hub with the wrong power...

listen to this man.
dj-freestyle 11:16 PM - 25 February, 2013
Dam crazy. have to be careful for sure. Always mark stuff.
Taipanic 1:22 AM - 26 February, 2013
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^ I fried my logic board once by plugging in a hub with the wrong power...

listen to this man.


+100

Fried a hard drive & a logic board for my Denon HS5500 by switching the power cords by accident. $600.00 & a couple of hundred hours of work down the drain - also had to buy another 5500 while that one was being repaired. I was planning on getting one anyway, but it sucks when you don't have a choice. Next day, first thing bought was a label maker - all my wall warts are now labeled.
djvtyme85 4:15 AM - 26 February, 2013
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Yep i use them with a rane 62 and as far as im concerned best combo out there period. If they had the screens the pioneer 2000 did with hid then it owuld be best ever. lol lol


and the moment they dude i will sell pick up a pair. been saying that for months
djvtyme85 4:17 AM - 26 February, 2013
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^ I fried my logic board once by plugging in a hub with the wrong power...

listen to this man.


+100

Fried a hard drive & a logic board for my Denon HS5500 by switching the power cords by accident. $600.00 & a couple of hundred hours of work down the drain - also had to buy another 5500 while that one was being repaired. I was planning on getting one anyway, but it sucks when you don't have a choice. Next day, first thing bought was a label maker - all my wall warts are now labeled.


Glad u guys said that. Will do
Henry GQ 6:06 AM - 26 February, 2013
good advice gentlemen
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:19 PM - 26 February, 2013
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and flashing felt quicker to that side.


Could you explain EXACTLY what you meant by that?
DJMINGIA 1:50 PM - 26 February, 2013
This is why I have everything plugged in my cases and leave them alone and hardly ever do any unplugging of anything (RCA's, power cords, etc..). The only thing that gets plugged and unplugged is the main power cable, 2 XLR's coming out, and the USB cable part that gets plugged in the computer. The Serato box stays in with all RCA's NEVER touched, wall warts stay plugged in, mic cable, mixer cables, hubs, etc.. The less stuff to plug in on a job, the better, saves time, and looks much more professional. RCA's are not meant to be continuously plugged in and out every gig and to a certain degree neither are the small round ends of the wall warts that gets plugged into the equipment. It's only a matter of time before the small round jack that it gets plugged into gets loose from the circuit board. Sorry to hear about the blown gear.
DJMINGIA 8:33 PM - 26 February, 2013
OK, so I am able to transmit MIDI out of the pitch slider on the 3900 and Scratch Live does recognize it, but the movement on the slider on the Scratch Live screen is very jerky. In other words, I hardly move the slider and it is already at +8 on the screen. I tried hitting c a few times while MIDI assigning it, hitting the tab button to reverse while assigning MIDI. Nothing. All it does is make the jerky movements slightly less. Help////
DJ GaFFle 9:11 PM - 26 February, 2013
Boy, you've got a lot of time on your hands... (nm)
DJMINGIA 9:58 PM - 26 February, 2013
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Boy, you've got a lot of time on your hands... (nm)



???????????
DJ GaFFle 11:46 PM - 26 February, 2013
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Boy, you've got a lot of time on your hands... (nm)



???????????

Sorry (wrong thread), I meant that for the guys trying to get Pioneer's controller to work with Scratchlive.
J.J. 11:57 PM - 26 February, 2013
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OK, so I am able to transmit MIDI out of the pitch slider on the 3900 and Scratch Live does recognize it, but the movement on the slider on the Scratch Live screen is very jerky. In other words, I hardly move the slider and it is already at +8 on the screen. I tried hitting c a few times while MIDI assigning it, hitting the tab button to reverse while assigning MIDI. Nothing. All it does is make the jerky movements slightly less. Help////

I'm sure you know this, but I'm trying to get it straight in my head as well.

Scratch Live will only map the Pitch Slider in INTERNAL Mode. The 3900 will only put out a Pitch Slider MIDI command in MIDI mode, not HYBRID mode. The Pitch Slider in HYBRID mode will control the speed of the timecode 'Serato NoiseMap Control Tone' signal. The Pitch Bend buttons are mappable in SSL in HYBRID mode and should be assigned to the Pitch Bend buttons.

If you are used to the DN-HC4500, then the SSL screen in INTERNAL mode runs very smooth. The Pitch Slider that looks like a 1200 slider is accurate and the Tempo Matching and Beat Matching Display are butter smooth. www.poweronplay.com

In RELATIVE mode, the display is jerky because it has to figure out where the timecode is. It will try to only update if it recognizes a pitch move, not pitch bending. When SSL figures out you are adjusting the pitch instead of bending it, it will jump to that point. This is where the jerkiness comes into play.

Because you should use HYBRID, you wouldn't be able to MIDI map the pitch slider on the 3900. You still can use regular MIDI, but the platter will not rotate.

On Internal Mode, hit MIDI in SSL. Then click the Pitch Slider to map it. Now move the Pitch Slider on the 3900 to assign it.
Try hitting 'C' then move the slider. Hit 'C' again, then move the slider again... Do this 5 times until it moves all the slider in SSL moves all the way down and up. If I can remember correctly, it will be reversed and you will have to hit 'tab' once.
'press c to change the data type'
1. absolute
2. relative - signed bit
3. relative - binary offset
4. relative - Z's complement
5. relative - on/off

I forgot the actual setting. I checked my DN-SC2000 mapping and this is what I had. However, their is a new and better way to assign the pitch slider. I'm not at home so I cannot check.
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<Control name="Velocity Slider DAW A" channel="1" event_type="Pitch Wheel" />
DJMINGIA 11:13 PM - 27 February, 2013
I must be missing something here. I tried this and it is still jerky. This is when the 3900 is in regular NON hybrid MIDI mode and SSL is in internal mode. The slider in SSL goes up and down really fast when I hardly touch the 3900. I tried the "c" trick, but by the 5th time, the SSL slider either goes only up slowly no matter what direction I move the 3900 slider, or all the way down slowly if I hit the tab button, but again, if I move the slider on the 3900 either up or down, the slider on SSL only goes in one direction. Help

Quote:
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OK, so I am able to transmit MIDI out of the pitch slider on the 3900 and Scratch Live does recognize it, but the movement on the slider on the Scratch Live screen is very jerky. In other words, I hardly move the slider and it is already at +8 on the screen. I tried hitting c a few times while MIDI assigning it, hitting the tab button to reverse while assigning MIDI. Nothing. All it does is make the jerky movements slightly less. Help////

I'm sure you know this, but I'm trying to get it straight in my head as well.

Scratch Live will only map the Pitch Slider in INTERNAL Mode. The 3900 will only put out a Pitch Slider MIDI command in MIDI mode, not HYBRID mode. The Pitch Slider in HYBRID mode will control the speed of the timecode 'Serato NoiseMap Control Tone' signal. The Pitch Bend buttons are mappable in SSL in HYBRID mode and should be assigned to the Pitch Bend buttons.

If you are used to the DN-HC4500, then the SSL screen in INTERNAL mode runs very smooth. The Pitch Slider that looks like a 1200 slider is accurate and the Tempo Matching and Beat Matching Display are butter smooth. www.poweronplay.com

In RELATIVE mode, the display is jerky because it has to figure out where the timecode is. It will try to only update if it recognizes a pitch move, not pitch bending. When SSL figures out you are adjusting the pitch instead of bending it, it will jump to that point. This is where the jerkiness comes into play.

Because you should use HYBRID, you wouldn't be able to MIDI map the pitch slider on the 3900. You still can use regular MIDI, but the platter will not rotate.

On Internal Mode, hit MIDI in SSL. Then click the Pitch Slider to map it. Now move the Pitch Slider on the 3900 to assign it.
Try hitting 'C' then move the slider. Hit 'C' again, then move the slider again... Do this 5 times until it moves all the slider in SSL moves all the way down and up. If I can remember correctly, it will be reversed and you will have to hit 'tab' once.
'press c to change the data type'
1. absolute
2. relative - signed bit
3. relative - binary offset
4. relative - Z's complement
5. relative - on/off

I forgot the actual setting. I checked my DN-SC2000 mapping and this is what I had. However, their is a new and better way to assign the pitch slider. I'm not at home so I cannot check.
Quote:
<Control name="Velocity Slider DAW A" channel="1" event_type="Pitch Wheel" />
DJMINGIA 11:21 PM - 27 February, 2013
BTW, the 3900 platter does spit out MIDI. Found out by accident. I typed in the code <Control name="Velocity Slider A" channel="7" event_type="Pitch Wheel" /> When I mess around with the 3900 platter in internal mode, the pitch slider in SSL goes wacky up and down in response the it. So this tells me that "Pitch Wheel" is the MIDI name for the platter on the 3900. So if we can add/figure out binary offset and control change, maybe we can ideally control the platter with SSL with the 3900 platter, but have SSL in internal mode instead of relative.....
DJMINGIA 12:29 AM - 28 February, 2013
Figured it out using MIDI Monitor. Control change out of the pitch slider is 122 and 123. Scratch Live just codes the 123 part when trying to auto assign it within Scratch Live. You have to manually code the XML file as SSL does not automatically adjust. I am transmitting on channel 7, so the XML code to MIDI the pitch slider is <Control name="Velocity Slider A" channel="7" event_type="Control Change" control="122" />

Weird thing is, when I have the pitch slider on the 3900 dead center, serato is at + 0.12% (When in a range of 8%), or + 0.16% when at 10% range. Not a deal killer, but weird. Any way to offset?
forty 12:56 AM - 28 February, 2013
Is there any reason why you want to run SSL in internal mode with the 3900?

I'm not sure I understand why you would want to. It's not like you can use it without the SL interface anyway. You're only saving yourself from hooking up 2 x stereo RCA leads.

Curious.
Henry GQ 12:57 AM - 28 February, 2013
what mode do u guys use when using the 3900?
forty 1:02 AM - 28 February, 2013
Relative.

Hybrid MIDI only works with Relative mode.

The timecode it's spitting out of the player in Hybrid MIDI mode is just a sine wave at the correct frequency. It's not the noise map as that's obviously patented. Therefore, it can't track time as would be needed in Absolute mode.
DJMINGIA 1:05 AM - 28 February, 2013
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Is there any reason why you want to run SSL in internal mode with the 3900?

I'm not sure I understand why you would want to. It's not like you can use it without the SL interface anyway. You're only saving yourself from hooking up 2 x stereo RCA leads.

Curious.



I have the 3900's in a coffin, so RCA's are not an issue. Always connected. Reason want to run in internal mode sometimes is because the temporary CUE button does not act like a traditional cue button when in relative mode. Meaning, when you let go of the CUE button in relative mode, the waveform stops BUT does not go back to the original temporary cue spot as if it was a 4500. The waveform stops at the point where you lifted your finger off the cue button. Now if you go to hit the play button, you are NOT at the the temporary start pont, but rather you are at where you lifted your finger off the temporary cut point. So say you want to stutter a few bars before your mix and then hit the play on the 1, in relative mode, you cannot do that becasue when you go to hit play, the waveform is not at the start point but rather where you lifted your finger off the cue. In internal mode however, it works just as a 4500 would. So you can stutter with the cue right before your mix, and then hit play on the 1 beat. The only thing I can think off is writing a MIDI command for jumping back to temporary cue point with an "off" command (Which happens when you release your finger off the cue button. Gonna try that...
forty 1:08 AM - 28 February, 2013
Understood.

I use an X1 in conjunction with my 3900 and have 'Set Temp Cue Point' and 'Trigger Temp Cue Point' mapped to 2 buttons on my X1. I mainly use TT's so I like the fact I can go back to the first beat without picking up the needle just as I would on a CDJ.

I'd look at MIDI mapping one of the spare buttons on the 3900 as opposed to trying to get Internal mode working.
DJMINGIA 1:12 AM - 28 February, 2013
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I'd look at MIDI mapping one of the spare buttons on the 3900 as opposed to trying to get Internal mode working.


Looks like I may have to go that route in relative mode, although I hate the fact of having to use 2 buttons to temporary cue a song (1 for setting, 1 to jump to)..... Will keep posted...
forty 1:14 AM - 28 February, 2013
It's a waste, but it works.

BTW, your DJ name cracks me up. It's VERY close to MINCHIA.

You don't happen to be Italian do you? ;)
DJMINGIA 1:37 AM - 28 February, 2013
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It's a waste, but it works.

BTW, your DJ name cracks me up. It's VERY close to MINCHIA.

You don't happen to be Italian do you? ;)


Yes, that is what i was going for. Didn't spell it exactly, and yes, Italian....
forty 1:54 AM - 28 February, 2013
HAHAHA!! Very funny.

I keep telling mates that I'm going to put out a whole bunch of sellout House under an alias called MINKIA. I figure people will think it's an Asian name whilst I'm sitting there chuckling to myself.

Well.... I thought it was a funny idea. ;)
J.J. 8:31 AM - 28 February, 2013
2 years to find this proper Cue. Here it is.
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<Control name="Controller Cue Button A" channel="8" event_type="Note On" control="22" />

While paused it will create a temp cue. While playing it will jump to the temp cue. Like the DN-HC4500 and most CDJ's. This way, you don't have to use to MIDI buttons. 1 to create a temp cue and another to jump to temp cue.
DJMINGIA 1:56 PM - 28 February, 2013
JJ, thank for that. It works fine in internal mode, but not in relative mode. BTW, I transmit on channel 7, and control 64 is what the cue button transmits on a 3900. Is this then the way the code should be written then: <Control name="Controller Cue Button A" channel="7" event_type="Note On" control="64" /> Or should I keep it at 22?
DJMINGIA 1:57 PM - 28 February, 2013
oops, not 64,,,, meant 66
DJ BIS 3:19 PM - 28 February, 2013
SC3900's are on the way!!! This is it boys!!! I might be able to rock out without all the weight of my 1200's!!! Its been a long time coming!!!
DJMINGIA 3:59 PM - 28 February, 2013
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SC3900's are on the way!!! This is it boys!!! I might be able to rock out without all the weight of my 1200's!!! Its been a long time coming!!!



Let me know when you get them. I'm in the middle of programming my XML file and figuring out all the extras that doesn't come with the hybrid XML file. Will let you know when done.
DJ BIS 8:43 PM - 28 February, 2013
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SC3900's are on the way!!! This is it boys!!! I might be able to rock out without all the weight of my 1200's!!! Its been a long time coming!!!



Let me know when you get them. I'm in the middle of programming my XML file and figuring out all the extras that doesn't come with the hybrid XML file. Will let you know when done.


tight!
DJ GaFFle 10:41 PM - 28 February, 2013
Do you guys put any extra slippage under your 3900 slipmats? Also, what do ya'll have your torque setting set at? I need my platters to spin a little more loosely. The unit at the GC spins perfectly. My is very good for scratching but a spinback doesn't spin back very far.
DJ GaFFle 10:42 PM - 28 February, 2013
My = Mine
djcrap 11:08 PM - 28 February, 2013
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Do you guys put any extra slippage under your 3900 slipmats? Also, what do ya'll have your torque setting set at? I need my platters to spin a little more loosely. The unit at the GC spins perfectly. My is very good for scratching but a spinback doesn't spin back very far.



mine cut these up to fit the 3900 platter and also under neath them i cut up some plastic bags that came with my other slipmats. short story am balling in heaven.

www.planetdj.com
dELfONiK 11:47 PM - 28 February, 2013
Good info on this thread. I've been debating between these and some CDJ-850's or 900's. Coming from Technics as well, I've been leaning towards the Denon's.

It's good to know you can adjust the pitch on the platter like you would with a 1200. I don't have any place local to try these out, so user reviews are my only source. I also have a 62, so it's good to see reviews from users with the same setup.

Keeping the Technics at home, and need a lighter mobile setup. After reading, I'm definitely leaning towards these over Pio's.
DJ GaFFle 11:53 PM - 28 February, 2013
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Good info on this thread. I've been debating between these and some CDJ-850's or 900's. Coming from Technics as well, I've been leaning towards the Denon's.

It's good to know you can adjust the pitch on the platter like you would with a 1200. I don't have any place local to try these out, so user reviews are my only source. I also have a 62, so it's good to see reviews from users with the same setup.

Keeping the Technics at home, and need a lighter mobile setup. After reading, I'm definitely leaning towards these over Pio's.

Dude... they're just like having turntables. I'm perfectly happy scratching or flashing back to back with the 3900s just as I am when using real turntables. No gunk'd up needle dust or vinyl clean necessary. I'd really like some colored vinyl options though.
dELfONiK 12:47 AM - 1 March, 2013
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Dude... they're just like having turntables. I'm perfectly happy scratching or flashing back to back with the 3900s just as I am when using real turntables. No gunk'd up needle dust or vinyl clean necessary. I'd really like some colored vinyl options though.


Thanks for the info! Couple questions for y'all?

How are these when there is a lot of bass? Coming from tables, I'm used to dealing with heavy bass. I'm mainly asking because I read of some Pio CDJ users having issues with Serato and heavy bass.

Also, what kind of coffins are y'all rockin? I have individual cases for my Technics, but want to go with a full coffin for easy setup. I have a 57 and 62, and was originally looking at an Odyssey FZ10CDJW. I don't need a glide style coffin since I keep my laptop on the side, plus I'd like as light of a setup as possible. I wasn't sure if I needed a coffin for a 12" mixer, like the FZ12CDJW, since the specs of the 62 exceed Odyssey's recommended mixer size for the 10" mixer coffin.

Thanks!
DJ GaFFle 1:43 AM - 1 March, 2013
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Thanks for the info! Couple questions for y'all?

How are these when there is a lot of bass? Coming from tables, I'm used to dealing with heavy bass. I'm mainly asking because I read of some Pio CDJ users having issues with Serato and heavy bass.

Also, what kind of coffins are y'all rockin? I have individual cases for my Technics...

Bass can't affect them because you aren't using media like CDs or vinyl. WHen you run them in Hibrid Midi mode, it's using some sort of built-in timecode. I run individual Road Runner cases for mine.
djkurve 2:05 AM - 1 March, 2013
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Thanks for the info! Couple questions for y'all?

How are these when there is a lot of bass? Coming from tables, I'm used to dealing with heavy bass. I'm mainly asking because I read of some Pio CDJ users having issues with Serato and heavy bass.

Also, what kind of coffins are y'all rockin? I have individual cases for my Technics...

Bass can't affect them because you aren't using media like CDs or vinyl. WHen you run them in Hibrid Midi mode, it's using some sort of built-in timecode. I run individual Road Runner cases for mine.


Speaking of bass affecting the timecode CD's... Here's a little trick. Well workaround I guess. If you don't want to use Hybird mode, put the timecode mp3 on a couple SD cards and it works like a champ. :)
dELfONiK 2:29 AM - 1 March, 2013
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Thanks for the info! Couple questions for y'all?

How are these when there is a lot of bass? Coming from tables, I'm used to dealing with heavy bass. I'm mainly asking because I read of some Pio CDJ users having issues with Serato and heavy bass.

Also, what kind of coffins are y'all rockin? I have individual cases for my Technics...

Bass can't affect them because you aren't using media like CDs or vinyl. WHen you run them in Hibrid Midi mode, it's using some sort of built-in timecode. I run individual Road Runner cases for mine.


Thanks! I read where some Pioneet CDJ's had issues with bass while in HID mode, so that must be a Pioneer thing. Good to know it's not a problem with Denon.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:37 AM - 1 March, 2013
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and flashing felt quicker to that side.


Could you explain EXACTLY what you meant by that?
DJ GaFFle 3:18 AM - 1 March, 2013
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and flashing felt quicker to that side.


Could you explain EXACTLY what you meant by that?

I meant back spinning or back queuing. I run my TTs Philly (battle) style. With the Denon 3900 on the left and 1200 turntable on the right, I felt like I was re-winding and getting to my mark quicker on the left due to the smaller 9" circumference of the Denon. The turntable, with its 12" vinyl, takes more rotation distance to rewind the record.

On another note, I kind of feel like my scratching is better on the 3900s too. I've gotten down the 1-click flare, whereas I've always had trouble mastering it on turntables. (nm)
Henry GQ 3:43 PM - 24 March, 2013
hey guys come and support this movement to support the sc 3900!

serato.com
DJMINGIA 3:54 PM - 24 March, 2013
I for one would love to have full native support of this deck in regular MIDI mode. The spinning platters output MIDI (Controller 82 and Pitch Bend at the same time), so the resolution is tight. Itch has native support of spinning platters, so it has to be possible. Also, has a CD drive built in so god forbid anything crashes, simply pop in a cd. Can't do that on a V7 or NS6.
DJ BIS 7:41 PM - 24 March, 2013
and don't forget the USB input. (I use it to charge my phone). :P
DJMINGIA 8:09 PM - 24 March, 2013
Yeah, if the computer goes down, you can also have a small USB thumbdrive with all the essentials on it to get by.
Henry GQ 9:24 PM - 24 March, 2013
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Yeah, if the computer goes down, you can also have a small USB thumbdrive with all the essentials on it to get by.



exactly =]
Henry GQ 9:24 PM - 24 March, 2013
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and don't forget the USB input. (I use it to charge my phone). :P



thats a fuckin great idea!!!
dj-freestyle 3:57 PM - 25 March, 2013
The reason the 3900 doesnt have complete info on screen like the pioneer does is because serato charges a fee for each deck so denon would have had to raise the price on the 3900's to have that info. They charge a licensing fee per deck.
Taipanic 4:23 PM - 25 March, 2013
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The reason the 3900 doesnt have complete info on screen like the pioneer does is because serato charges a fee for each deck so denon would have had to raise the price on the 3900's to have that info. They charge a licensing fee per deck.


That would make sense. The screens on my HS5500s show relevant track & time info with VDJ, who probably does not charge a fee per unit for display.
DJMINGIA 6:21 PM - 25 March, 2013
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The reason the 3900 doesnt have complete info on screen like the pioneer does is because serato charges a fee for each deck so denon would have had to raise the price on the 3900's to have that info. They charge a licensing fee per deck.



Understood. I don't know how much it would add to the price, but I'd be willing to pay a couple extra hundred for true HID native support (Hot start LED support, Non hybrid true spinning platter mode support (like NS7/Itch does), etc..) I'd think of it this way. I'd get a moving platter, the capability to play cd's, USB sticks, and true Scratch Live support all for about the same price as a CDJ 900 which doesn't have a moving platter.

Not sure about the rest of us here, but it is a huge feature to have the ability to play CD's or USB sticks on the event god-forbid something goes wrong with Scratch Live, hard drive or the computer. The last thing a bride wants to hear is : "Well, my computer crashed and I don't carry backup CD's and we'll have to wait here for a few minutes while the computer, hard drive and software get back up running again, and hopefully not crash again" All this while she was in the middle of her dance with her father..... No thanks...
Will08272 6:25 PM - 25 March, 2013
Would i be imaginarilly killed by the dj community if i sold one of my m5gs and bought a 3900
DJ Guiayo 7:24 PM - 25 March, 2013
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Would i be imaginarilly killed by the dj community if i sold one of my m5gs and bought a 3900

i was thinking the same thing. Although I have 4 1200s and was thinking of selling off the two (2) and the CDJ 800 i have. Then purchase 2 Denon 3900. decisions decions...
dj-freestyle 7:30 PM - 25 March, 2013
As long as you stay with active platters you will be happy. I have 3700's and 3900's and i still would much rather use my 3700's them my cdjs. Just my preference of course. i like the screens on the cdjs 2000 with all the info and stuff. very cool but platter wise i hate them.
DJ Guiayo 7:56 PM - 25 March, 2013
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As long as you stay with active platters you will be happy. I have 3700's and 3900's and i still would much rather use my 3700's them my cdjs. Just my preference of course. i like the screens on the cdjs 2000 with all the info and stuff. very cool but platter wise i hate them.


it's funny you say that. i gave the 800 a good test run. could never get used to the platter. i figured i would get used to it after a while just never happened for me. now i just take it with me when when i have a show where they will bring cds for performances and such.
DJMINGIA 9:15 PM - 25 March, 2013
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Would i be imaginarilly killed by the dj community if i sold one of my m5gs and bought a 3900



I doubt it, and if they do "imaginarilly" kill you, they might as well also take the other 99% who went from 1200's in a coffin to Denon 2000 cd players in a rack to Scratch live on a computer with CDJ's overall the past 20 years.

I agree, something about the Pioneer non spinning platters I just can't get used to.
DJ GaFFle 6:00 PM - 4 April, 2013
Anyone know of a sticker overlay on the Denon 3900s? I find the line indicators irritatingly small and hard discern in dark club environments. I'd prefer them be illuminated with spaced-out lines (similar to a 1200).
(nm)
DJ GaFFle 6:01 PM - 4 April, 2013
^^^ pitch-control overlay.
Will08272 6:23 PM - 4 April, 2013
After alot of thinking i think im gonna stay with my turntables, but ill be picking up one of these as a third deck, i recently ordered a turntable coffin would using one 1200 and a 3900 on the other side mess up the weight distribution in the coffin if the coffin is on a stand or the base solid enough. It may look weird but hell why not
Certified Quality Entertainment 7:12 PM - 4 April, 2013
use a folding table and you'll be fine.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:56 PM - 4 April, 2013
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and flashing felt quicker to that side.


Could you explain EXACTLY what you meant by that?

I meant back spinning or back queuing. I run my TTs Philly (battle) style. With the Denon 3900 on the left and 1200 turntable on the right, I felt like I was re-winding and getting to my mark quicker on the left due to the smaller 9" circumference of the Denon. The turntable, with its 12" vinyl, takes more rotation distance to rewind the record.

On another note, I kind of feel like my scratching is better on the 3900s too. I've gotten down the 1-click flare, whereas I've always had trouble mastering it on turntables. (nm)


I have NEVER heard any body use the term "FLASHING" since the '80's.

Holy *ish....
DJ GaFFle 9:57 PM - 4 April, 2013
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I haven't heard anybody use the term "FLASHING" since the '80's.

Holy *ish....

Fixed... I guess I'm just old school (proudly). (nm)
dj-freestyle 6:24 PM - 8 April, 2013
@gaffle, 12 inch skinz have 3700 skins so im sure he could do a 3900 skin the way you want. just email him.
Henry GQ 7:33 PM - 8 April, 2013
hey guys i have a problem..

my one 3900 isnt playign right, it sounds like it has a bad needle(LOL)

seriously.. its liek -80 percent on the pitch. whats the deal? could it be the usb is not good or ?
djcrap 12:12 AM - 9 April, 2013
are you sure you didn't change the pitch to 100% on the player

cause it the pitch goes 6%, !0%, 16% and 100%
DJ Unique 12:15 AM - 9 April, 2013
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hey guys i have a problem..

my one 3900 isnt playign right, it sounds like it has a bad needle(LOL)

seriously.. its liek -80 percent on the pitch. whats the deal? could it be the usb is not good or ?

Send me your 3900 so I can test it for you.
LOL
Will08272 12:35 AM - 9 April, 2013
Why do are these players calling me trying to sway me from my m5gs.
Henry GQ 4:26 AM - 9 April, 2013
yeah im sure of the pitch, not sure whats goin on
DJ BIS 7:44 AM - 9 April, 2013
Not liking the fact that when you slow down the tempo the platter on the 3900 appears to have less torque going to it. That is WACK. Even at -16% pitch the motor does not drive it properly. Anybody else having that issue?

It gets worse if you go to the +/- 100% setting. its horrible!
DJ_X_Trodinaire 10:25 PM - 9 April, 2013
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Not liking the fact that when you slow down the tempo the platter on the 3900 appears to have less torque going to it. That is WACK. Even at -16% pitch the motor does not drive it properly. Anybody else having that issue?

It gets worse if you go to the +/- 100% setting. its horrible!


Have you tried adjusting the Torque setting?
forty 1:07 AM - 10 April, 2013
Define torque?

At extreme pitch settings the platter is spinning extremely fast or slow making subtle platter manipulations impossible. The same would apply on a conventional turntable albeit slightly different due to the platter being an extra 3 inches in diameter.

As mentioned above, they're are different torque settings on the 3900 that go much higher than a 1200.
Vekked 1:25 AM - 10 April, 2013
I feel like the torque adjustment kind of missed the mark on the 3900s... like part of the reason for torque adjustment is to adjust the feel/response of the record but it does virtually nothing because it adjusts the platter torque but the record it still attached to the spindle that pretty much determines the feel/spin of the record. I find that even though it's a tiny ass record it still feels/responds like a slightly heavy 12" record even when I turn the torque way down (no more than about 1.6 or the platter stops when I grab the record).

Overall the sc3900s are my fav digital turntables/CD players but I still feel like they missed the mark a bit, especially when not using Serato. Too much cue point drift and other stuff that hasn't been acceptable in a digital setup for like 5+ years now.
forty 12:31 PM - 10 April, 2013
Have you tried loosening the screw that holds the record to the spindle? This will give it a lighter feel.

Is the sticker drift on CD/USB? I never use it outside of Hybrid mode with SSL and can't say I've noticed any drift. I can cut and juggle (not like you) but well enough to notice drift easily.
Vekked 1:31 PM - 10 April, 2013
yea I tried loosening the screws, doesn't really help since it's the tension that's on the spindle that causes it as far as I can tell.

yea with SSL it's fine but with USB I get weird stuff happening, like I hold the record and hit the cue point, and it "works" in the sense that it goes to that point in the song but it's not remotely accurate. Sometimes it cuts up the start of the beat where it should, and sometimes it's up to a full beat off 1 way or another. I've found it with various other functions too like even just start/stopping will cause drift. In the grand scale of things it's not a huge issue but for the price I would expect it to be on point and not have issues that DVS solved ages ago.
dj-freestyle 4:27 PM - 11 April, 2013
have you asked silvio about it on denon forum. he is usually bery helpful
Will08272 5:28 PM - 11 April, 2013
Hey freestlye how long have you had your 3900s, i saw on the boards that the upcoming update is supposed to fix the drift that happens in hybrid mode, i actually dont mind the drift because it happens with my techs, but ive been debating on getting a pair for all the conviniences they offer.
Will08272 5:31 PM - 11 April, 2013
Forgot to ask also, are you able to use the record and the sides of the platter to adjust the pitch like on turntables ?
forty 1:05 AM - 12 April, 2013
I don't have any drift in Hybrid MIDI mode.

Yes, you can pitch bend via the record, platter & even the spindle - depending how much pressure you apply to it.

The best way is via the platter, which is also the best way of you're using turntables as it will be the smoothest way to apply friction.
dj-freestyle 4:41 PM - 13 April, 2013
yes they fixed torque issue in 3900 so just like 1200 platters and i dont have any drift in my 3700 or 3900 so not sure its a huge issue
dELfONiK 9:42 PM - 21 April, 2013
Finally picked up a pair of 3900's! When y'all transport these for gigs, do you remove the vinyl like the manual says? I have them in a coffin that has foam squares above the players, so they seem pretty stable. Not sure if it would cause an issue to keep the vinyl on all the time.

Thx!
forty 11:37 PM - 21 April, 2013
I don't. I don't even use a flight case. I use the UDG CDJ bag.

I can't remember the last time I saw someone transport a 1200 in a flight case with the platter removed either.

I'd only remove the platter if I was going to store them for a long period of time or if shipping them. If you're just taking them to gigs, I wouldn't bother. They'll be fine.
dELfONiK 12:04 AM - 22 April, 2013
I don't think the manual says to remove the platter, just the vinyl... Which really isn't a big deal. It definitely wouldn't even be an issue of it was regular vinyl that wasn't screwed down.
forty 1:07 AM - 22 April, 2013
I thought it said the platter. I definitely wouldn't bother removing the vinyl disc.

You did remind me of something though. The 2 screws that tighten the the silver vinyl adapter to the spindle do loosen over time. In fact, I've had them loosen over a 3 hour set. I have a small screw driver in my bag with me to tighten it up at a gig if need be. I don't like it too loose personally.

My advice is to keep a screwdriver with you on hand. It's always handy to quickly fix things on the fly. I have this cool 3 piece screwdriver that breaks into 3 parts. Each part had a different head type and you can swap them round to whatever order you want and it clicks into place to form one long screwdriver.

I wish I could show you a picture but I can't find one to buy anywhere. It's different to the ones were you have the made body with changeable tips.

Someone left this at my house once. Score!
dELfONiK 1:34 AM - 22 April, 2013
Thanks for the reply! You're right, the manual does say to remove the platter, in addition to the vinyl.

I'll have to make it a habit to periodically check those screws. I have a mini screwdriver set in my bag that I mainly use for my headshells/cartridges.

Thanks again.
dj-freestyle 4:34 PM - 22 April, 2013
ya we use like 10 sets at work and dont remove them and denon is at out shop all the time and hasnt said to so i woudlnt. screws do come lose and you can just tighten. i like them a little loose. platters vinyl spins better i think.
DJ Em Nice 5:59 PM - 22 April, 2013
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Do you guys put any extra slippage under your 3900 slipmats? Also, what do ya'll have your torque setting set at? I need my platters to spin a little more loosely. The unit at the GC spins perfectly. My is very good for scratching but a spinback doesn't spin back very far.

The small screws that hold the vinyl down, they shouldn't be too tight. Screw it down until you it stops, with little force, then slightly turn it counter clockwise just a hair then your set.
dj-freestyle 6:12 PM - 22 April, 2013
ya dont strip them. better a little loose then stripped. a mess if stripped.
dj-freestyle 6:13 PM - 22 April, 2013
its funny my 3700's ones are a little loose today. Had to tighten. I still use my 3700's as much as my 3900's. i think they are great decks.
J.J. 7:06 PM - 22 April, 2013
I usually have to loosen the screws twice a year at most on my 3700. I will purchase 2 3900's as soon as I sell my 3700's. youtu.be
DJ Em Nice 8:13 PM - 22 April, 2013
I also heard that using pledge on the side touching the slip mat will also help.

Anyone try the butter slip mats on these decks?
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:13 PM - 22 April, 2013
old vinyl plastic sleeves works :)
forty 10:51 PM - 22 April, 2013
Yeah I have plastic sleeves on mine as well.

The thing is, all these techniques from turntables don't carry over exactly the same as the vinyl disc itself is touching the spindle which directly affects the feel or looseness.

As mentioned above, if you want a lighter or looser feel, loosen the screws a little bit.

But yeah, they do come loose over time on their own.
Will08272 12:58 AM - 23 April, 2013
Was able to score a Deck on ebay for 530 used but the price is great.
forty 1:15 AM - 23 April, 2013
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Was able to score a Deck on ebay for 530 used but the price is great.


That's a great price!

I'm assuming you're in the states? You guys are lucky with the price of gear and the sheer abundance on the second hand market.

I was in New York last year for my honeymoon, and was shocked at how much cheaper stuff is there than back home. Unfortunately due to weight restrictions, I couldn't go crazy. But I was buying all sorts of little bits and bobs. Serato timecodes, Stylus carry cases, UDG bags. All that stuff was like half price, sometime even less compared to here.

Anyhoo, congrats!
Will08272 1:26 AM - 23 April, 2013
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That's a great price!

I'm assuming you're in the states? You guys are lucky with the price of gear and the sheer abundance on the second hand market.

I was in New York last year for my honeymoon, and was shocked at how much cheaper stuff is there than back home. Unfortunately due to weight restrictions, I couldn't go crazy. But I was buying all sorts of little bits and bobs. Serato timecodes, Stylus carry cases, UDG bags. All that stuff was like half price, sometime even less compared to here.

Anyhoo, congrats!


Thanks man, are you from aus i believe i saw you or someone else post that as their location, and it sucks that prices are so high there. Ive seen alot of the articles about the software mark ups.
forty 1:55 AM - 23 April, 2013
Yeah Australia. Sorry, I should have clarified that.

I mean prices have always been more expensive here due to the distance and shipping. The thing is, they've always been a LOT more. To the point that if you were to buy from the USA or UK and add shipping and even import tax, it was STILL cheaper. And this is shipping one unit, not a container full of them.

Then whenever the dollar fluctuated, retailers would put their prices up and yet never put them back down when the dollar stabilised.

Fast fwd to our current economy and our dollar is KILLING it and yet prices are STILL high. WTF have they not come down? Sure, you can't compare a brick & mortar store with an internet warehouse with little to no staff and it doesn't help that the cost of living in this country has become insane, but it still does not add up. We really get shafted over here.

And yeah, all those articles you've read about the software markups are ridiculous. How on earth can they justify charging us sooooo much more on a product that doesn't even have a physical distribution outlet anymore. It's downloadable online!! Some of they're excuses are like - well your market can bare the extra cost so we charge more. WTF?

Anyhoo, rant over. Back on track. SC3900's rock!! ;)
DJ GaFFle 2:37 AM - 23 April, 2013
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I usually have to loosen the screws twice a year at most on my 3700. I will purchase 2 3900's as soon as I sell my 3700's. youtu.be

I simply put some thread lock on the screw tips, then loosened up the screws slightly. The thread lock insures your screws won't fall out.

(nm)
DJ Em Nice 2:08 PM - 24 April, 2013
Another tip. Make sure you pick up a hex key for the spindle. The hex key that came in the box is NOT for the spindle. Not sure why Denon didn't include the hex key for the spindle when they released these decks. A few have complained that the spindle was loose. I had the same issue.
I forget the size but I do recall having to get when from a Hobby shop.
DJ Em Nice 2:13 PM - 24 April, 2013
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I had the same issue.
I forget the size but I do recall having to get when from a Hobby shop.

Correction: Having to get one from a Hobby shoo
DJ Em Nice 3:08 PM - 24 April, 2013
Anyone have any blue Denon vinyls they want to sell?
dj-freestyle 3:51 PM - 24 April, 2013
Ya blue is hard to find. denon promised new vinyl colors but nothing. I have clear with glow in the dark mats with my logo on them. Looks pretty dope.
DJ Em Nice 4:38 PM - 24 April, 2013
Looking like some time in June now before those hit the street, shame but oh well.
You got those from glowtromics?
DJ Em Nice 4:39 PM - 24 April, 2013
Fat fingers, little keys. Glowtronics
dj-freestyle 2:56 PM - 25 April, 2013
Ya glowtronics and they did nice work and really nice vinyl.
DJ Em Nice 4:37 PM - 29 April, 2013
Tried the butter slip mats out, too thin. Platter wasn't responding correctly.
dj-freestyle 8:39 PM - 29 April, 2013
The slip mats from glowtronics work perfect.
Marv Incredible 9:00 PM - 29 April, 2013
That's just one of the things I love about this Denon series...the fact we can mention a CD deck and slipmats in the same sentence.

Personally, I always thought CD decks should be like this..basically turntables that played CDs instead of vinyl. Never liked the whole static jog thing tbh. I hope manufacturers like Denon and Numark keep making em and I hope others follow suit. Can't see it, but I can hope. :)
dj-freestyle 11:23 PM - 29 April, 2013
I love denon and 3900's but denon needs to learn to make mixers. They have failed in this dept and to survive need to rethink there mixer line.
DJ Em Nice 11:48 PM - 29 April, 2013
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...but denon needs to learn to make mixers. They have failed in this dept

I am going to have to disagree on this one. I own the X600 and its one of the better 2 channel pro mixers out, especially for the price. The cross fader is pretty dam good.
dj-freestyle 12:08 AM - 30 April, 2013
We sell denon gear and use 15 of there mixers and almost all pro djs here thats there biggest complaint is denons mixers and they are in for repair more then any mixers ive ever seen.
dj-freestyle 12:09 AM - 30 April, 2013
use a rane and there is no comparing. period
DJ Em Nice 12:41 AM - 30 April, 2013
I hear you. My only argument would be that's all Rane does so it has to be on point.

Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't get me one, especially the 62. I'm actually considering it.
dj-freestyle 1:24 AM - 30 April, 2013
Believe me i am a huge denon fan and think pioneer is way over rated and want denon to survive. I just think if they step up there mixer game they could really kick but. Its holding them back i think. I have a rane 62 z trip and a 1600 and its not even a fair fight and i understand huge differnce in price but spend a little more and make a better mixer is all im saying.