+1, plus $15 thank you to Serato.

+1 I'd love to be able to use ME with all new versions

+1 ..lol

+1

I have long advocated that ME be integrated into ScratchLive (integrated into, not just laid on top of). And yes, users should have to pay full-price for both ME and Serato Video in order for that to work.

+1

+1

I already have licences for both, but I would happily pay full price for both, a second time, if I could be guaranteed continued support.

+1

+1

This thread reminds of the control vinyl thread. We will get 10K +1's and nothing happens.

+1

+1 pretty please...

What if it was worded this way.

Make ME pay a fee to have ME work with 2.4?

YES.

Make every copy of ME, starting with 2.0, incur a $50/100/$150 licensing fee.

People WILL pay it.

+1

Go Post this one ME Site. Not Here serato Changed there codes so why dont all ya'll that's +1 put up a fundraiser and help inklen do his own Mix Emergency Without peggy backing off serato. but didn't someone say ME dont need serato to work. oh yeah
-1

yeah you guys go hate me but Im a business man and anything in my way stealing my customers I need to shut them down ASAP. sure you would to.

No hate for you.

Just sadness that you enjoy driving that horse & cart so much, that you think we all should junk our Ferraris and join you.

Naw im not saying that. I'm just keeping it real. Why Get mad at serato for there own platform that they made up and can stand on there own 2 feet. They needed a better platform which there making and don't need to piggy back off no one. I feel all this hate should be focused at ME and why he cant make his own platform and stand on. I'm like this with all my DJ buddies I keep It 100. I tell them to get they own equipment if they think I charge to much to rent. Just cause one of my buddy's charges him less to use his single sub's and a cheap amp rack. ($150) He thinks I should charge Him $150 To Use My Dual 18" Meyer subs and Dual 15" top's And Crown Xti4002 Rack. No Cause mine's hits harder sound better that's why they come to me. Then He talks about how his sound is wack. I'm Like for $150 what you expect!! and he's like but were all homie's and he should be giving me love. That's why I don't deal with homie's. I say tell them they need a sound guy and have them call me. So i feel Inklen Should either make his own stand alone program or deal with it. But You Guys shouldn't be Bad mouthing Serato & Rane about there upgrading progress with the new Mixer. Like posted B4 Inklen can still work with 2.3 and below so maybe he can stay in that field and build but if serato video is up to par with ME or Better You go have to switch anyway.

Maybe Apple should stop allowing Serato access to the iTunes library too. Either Serato should make people use Serato crates or deal with it. Right?

Maybe Windows and OSX should cut off Serato too. Either Serato should make their own OS or deal with it, right?

lol Have you forgotten all the times where Apple has changed the way iTunes works and Serato has to play catch-up to make it work.

If you are going to tag onto someone else's work you cannot complain when they change it up.....you just have to re-do the way you have been doing things.

+

But Apple never deliberately cut Serato off, it's a by-product of updates and they provide documentation that allows people to reconnect.

Everything I've heard so far makes be believe that Serato have done this on purpose.

lol. glad i don't do business with you. you lack credibility, not even going to mention smarts.

+100,000,000,000

OMG DJ'Que

Fuck off. Go away nobody want to here from you anymore, your like that annoying 12year old you play against in halo and wont shut up.... thanks for hijacking my thread.

LMAO where do you get that piece of information from? "on purpose"??? The only reason the code is changing is because users wanted Itch and ScratchLive to have more and more of the same features. Many users have embraced Itch and the variety of controllers that are available for it. Serato did the smart thing and combined the development for Itch and ScratchLive.

Mix Emergency is nothing but unintentional collateral damage in this scenario.

This is what I am thinking, the conspiracy theories are pretty funny though.

Nick has posted on the Inklen forum to that effect. They were in talks to make it happen, Serato decided to kill the idea.

No technical issue, just politics.

If I felt for ONE second this was a technical issue, I would stop moaning immediately.

I actually used to like how FinalScratch had it's own Linux OS...

If Nick ever decided to work on a version of ME for Windows (which he said no to at the VDJC) than I'd actually care about ME not being supported in future versions of SSL. I'm stuck with VSL and then Serato Video when it comes out. I'm happy for Itch support in the new Serato Video tho.

That's just stupid. Windows and OSX want people to develop programs for their OS's. The more compatibility they have the better their stuff will sell. A better comparison would be the iPhone and jailbroken apps.

Apple made the iPhone and IOS. They can control everything on it. So if you want your app to run on it you have to put it in the app store and pay Apple a percentage of the sales. Don't like the fees and don't want to pay? Fine. Apple won't put your app in the app store.

Now you can jailbreak your phone and install whatever you want. But that does't mean while Apple develops updates and better features that it has to keep its primary code for you to keep your jailbreak. It can and will do whatever it wants.

I was just responding to something else with that.

My whole point, across all my posts on this subject, is that Serato SHOULD licence ME.

Take money off every ME user. Because I'm sure most if not all would be delighted to pay.

I would buy ME all over agin if i knew it would work with 2.4
now im derailing my own topic.

+1

+1

www.inklen.com
this would crush Serato

It's up to ME to support Serato not the other way around. Ask Serato and ME to come to a mutual agreement.

no
Your crying like a little bitch over ME on serato site but not on ME forum. What the hell is wrong with you. Your like a cock roach that wont go away.

+1

You're a legend, DJ'Que, it's like you spout so much bullshit you actually forget what bullshit you spouted in the past....

serato.com

serato.com

Either you are an incredibly indecisive person, or you are full of it.

Yowza.

nope no edit button. had different settings and the place where I was doing video was setup wrong.

+1 for me!

just come to a damn solution.

2 of my favorite companies on the planet.

I feel like a child who is watching his parents fight right before a divorce.
(actually, to be more accurate... the entire neighborhood fighting, and mom and dad sitting back and laughing at them)

please reach a agreement that will benefit your die hard users and supporters.

serato is selling out lvmez simple as that... shame really :/

JC I had the same reaction as you regarding divorced child when I heard the news some days ago .

+1 on either ME to add Serato support or vice versa, I dont care really, I just wanna get one of those sick 62 and still do my gigs like I do today

Actually I don't think it's parents divorcing, it's like where a couple in a group of friends split up and everyone takes sides with one or the other... Ultimately that group of friends gets ruined unless the couple can agree to get along with each other.

Too many metaphors in this thread already... And I just made yet another one. Doh.

It's actually like a bunch of people complaining and bitching about something that they have no control over and think that they do.

So customers don't have a right to complain if a company does something they don't like?

You can disagree with me all you want, but telling me I shouldn't voice my opinion, you can go jump, sunshine.

Once again you read into things that are not there. I never said you couldn't say what you wanted to...just don't expect things to change.

Serato has decided on a path that they are going to take, and I honestly think that if they can come to an agreement that works for Serato, then ME may find it's way back in. If they cannot...then we continue moving forward on the announced path.

My opinion is that the majority, the vast majority, of people who want to use ME will stay on a version that supports ME. People just do not buy new mixers every time they come out...the last one I purchased was the DJM-800...and it still works perfect for me. If a new mixer came out that did something better than what I was using then I would weight the pros and cons of what it can bring vs what I would lose. Every DJ now has to do that with ME.

So if nobody complained on the forum, or to Serato directly, what would be the motivation for Serato to try and come to that agreement?

I agree that as users we can't make that agreement happen, but we can sure let Serato know that we'd like it to happen.

I think the same 30-40 people have made their point. It's now just dissolved into people bitching about/to other people.

I honestly don't think the 'complainers' can be blamed for that, when every 5 minutes there is some other idiot jumping on board to call them 'cry babies', with nothing else new to say.

I've got nothing new to add, either. But if someone insults me I'm going to respond.

+1

Im just saying why dont you ME people complain to Nick about this. Thats serato's platform not nick. Thats what happens when you have to depend on someone else software to work. I remember seeing a post saying ME didnt need serato or vsl to work. Now its like they do. If I like ME I would dam show be on his site complaining and since I see that everyone wasted $179. What did he do with that money. ???? Blow it on what. Instead of building his own platform. This is one reason I waited on getting ME just this reason right here. I was always thinking what if serato changed there code. Its like me complaining to jbl cause I need a new tweeter diaphram that cost $98.00 and orange county speaker wont budge. So I either pay so my tweeter is fixed or buy someother cheaper crap and always blow them. So I just say fuck it. I wanted 1of the best speaker system so pay the price. But the difference is jbl owns there own and makes it. So that what ME should of did with ya'll $179. My sister got $17,500 & $4000 from her taxes, I told her to invest some of it buy a party bus she said no. now she dont have a job and spending it like crazy.

+1

How did you waste $179 when it still works fine with anything 2.3.3 and earlier? 2.4 and beyond is not a forced upgrade unless you just HAVE to use a 61/62.

Your logic is failing majorly.

Also what does serato have to benefit from ME Taging on to there software. Nothing but lose money. Thats how I see it. Why did you get into video mixing to offer a better choice for your clients right. Im sure another VJ can come in to your spot and do video with serato video and the owner or client wont know the difference. Im not hateing on ME but ijs did he invest that money in to ME. Is the question I want to know.

well since there was an update every week, I'd say....maybe.... YES... geeez

no its not. Everybody wanted a new mixer and it was,so many post about the new mixer and feature but never 1 about ME working still with 2.4. Why. The new 62 benefits me really good and the next vj spinning with me with. 2 usb ports and 2 soundcards cleaner sound, cue points on the mixer all 5 so that $179 can go to my mixer. The club I spin at has 2 video jocks so that mixer is golden.

ME can be run without serato as a standard VJ application.
Granted ME works better with serato as the main audio engine.

Whos not to say Nick has something in the pipeline where you can add a audio engine into the software, or maybe open it up to other software?

I just hope serato video has the features that ME had, and keep them bug free, and also updated.

I honestly thought serato was THE best DVS software out there, but since 1.92 everything has gone wrong!

+1

I wasted $179...

On Video-SL

hahahaha

not sure if and rebrand 2 years later counts....

if *a rebrand

i paid for vsl the weekend it came out. i really have no idea how much i paid for over all. frankly, i would bet i paid more thamn $199 but that's what you get for being honest (those that were here since the first day and in the know will remember that fiasco).

so i paid for VSL AND ME.
they were both worth it and they have paid for themselves.

Serato video does not have any of the features that ME had. If they don't ignore it like they did for the last 2 years and listen to users, it may get to where ME is in 2013-2014.



i'm not sure if you have read the posts over at inklen, Nick himself has said that ME is dead in the water right now.

Serato is in their right to block ME from working. Frankly im surprised that they let it go on for so long. Alot of non-ME users can't understand why ME users are up at arms. Firstly serato should've never let their forum turn into a ME general purpose/tech support forum. There are more posts about ME then VSL. Users have just gotten comfortable in the last 2 years. I mean if i post up i'm selling my TTM, they delete that shit.

Secondly they knew in 4th quarter 2011 that 2.4 was going to break ME. They should've said something before they started taking orders for the new mixers. Being that they let ME work and they let ME users post in their forums about ME for the last 2+ years.

Nick is classy, he has posted up a banner on the mix emergency product page letting current and new users know, that ME will not work with SSL 2.4.

+1000

I've said time and again, the problem is not so much that Serato have cut off ME, we can all understand why they might want to do that, it's that they've handled the communication around it so, so badly.

DJ Nyce, since most users, actually 99% of users havnt even seen Serato Video yet, its a bit too early to say that there are or arent features that have been added since VSL. Jus sayin :)

I just think the move is petty bitchiness on Serato's part. I mean as an Avid user, and a Protools user, I'm using industry standard apps which allow 3rd party plugins.

I mean serato makes the pitch n' time plugin. How about everyone block your plugins? Ain't gonna' happen, because software companies that make software for True professionals, don't bow down to posers, they release the best most useful new build they can.

Pioneer doesn't force me to use their mixer with their CDJ's, WTF??

Serato really needs to figure out what they want to be.

In one breath you're saying you want to be the industry standard software for professional DJ's. In the next, you're releasing DJ Intro, and doing everything you can to play copy cat with Virtual DJ.

Do you want DJ's to use your software, or do you want your software bundled with every fisher price "My first DJ" style product to roll off the shelf?

Follow the lead of other industry leaders. Blocking 3rd party progress is bad for business.

I don't use Serato because I saw some big name douche bag use it, I use it because it was stable. As that continues to go down hill, and the software becomes more and more of a dinosaur, Believe me, and hear me loud and clear..

Most of us will jump ship for a better product if one comes along. I have no reason to be loyal. I have a several hundred thousand dollar a year career riding on my ability to deliver music in a manner that makes me money. I don't care who you endorse. I use apps I know I can:

A.) use as I need to with no restrictions
B.) get quality support on
C.) Integrate with other components in my workflow.

Serato, with this idiot move, you are jacking that equation up!

^ The difference is theses Avid plugins are officially supported

Another difference is video dj's there is only a few of us. So its not like serato is loosing by not supporting. I know places that are still pre booked out on the new mixer. 2.4 is a ME problem no serato

there's a lot more than you think.

pretty sure that but what im saying is its not go stop the sales of the 61 & 62 mixers.

To be fair and as a business point of view, serato will technically have the cream of the video product after this.

What i mean is what other video software is good as a DVS system.

I've used virtual DJ
I've used PCDJ VJ
The above products are ok, but not rock solid as a DVS software.
I've used Mixvibes VFX & Controller, in which i used it and it crashed every time it was in use, it may have been updated since i got it, but its now safely gathering dust.

But what else is there out there?

Who knows serato may of taken Nick on board, and is now trying to dissolve ME.
Serato my come out with a kick ass version of a video plug-in, and we will be like mix who?

All i do know is video DJ'ing is a good business to be in, and like any other job, we need the correct tools to do it.

I just wish traktor would do it a video plugin, then serato would be screwed.
I personally don't like serato coming out with these other little programs, Itch, and now intro. To me its starting to go back to the PCDJ line of products.
Keep it to SL and a video plugin and give what people want - a stable and reliable platform.

^^^ true...

and truth be told.
even if this whole thing never ever happend, you would still have a fair amount of well versed tech-saavy DJs sticking with 1.9.2.
not because of any video dj software hootnanny, simply becuase a fair percentage of users have bad results with anything after 2.0 on a constant basis.

there certainly has been an unhealthy trend over the last 2 years, and i might be overzealous in calling it overwhelming your staff beyond its resources with new products....but from this side of things thats what it looks like.
which makes it hard (I can only imagine) becuase people DEMAND innovation and new toys.... but i think we would all agree that we would forfeit that for rock-stability again.
(of course I dont really use the bridge, I dont use itch, I dont use intro, i dont use the efx at an alarming rate....)
1.9.2 dropped the sample player.... and that was pretty much it.
after that, we got the efx (which changed over releases, and the bridge...)
long story short... once the bike got bells & whistles, it didnt drive so good anymore.

from what I understand 2.3.3 is a great release if you jump through the hoops (completely redoing your library.... but im still shook, i know people that did that...reputable, tech saavy people....no dice)
and I imagine 2.4 is even more so.

but with alot of the crew working on supporting new products, new releases, new dvs...
how can we really expect them to get the core of the problem (without a library work-a-round) and a serious commitment to getting Serato video up to Mix Emergency speed?
Id say we dont know.... but history dictates otherwise.

i'm still waiting for that commitment

I would say that porting / rewriting VSL code to Serato Video is a major step in that direction.

I hope the new Vsl has syphon

That's my favorite feature in ME

I hope the new Vsl has syphon

You should be worried about whether or not it's going to work all together... Not a good history thus far

Seems like it might've hurt the sells...IMO

dude you have to be a dam fool if you think its go hurt the 61 & 62 sales. Your speaking on emotions. May the ME people wont get it but what about the mass that dont do video and just,want a steller mixer with builtin serato and 2 usb ports. The people buying it now might not be video users but serato users. As soon as it come to cali im on it. And I cant to video till the upgrade yet. But thats ok cuz I know for a fact it will be supported.

The main concern (read: blooper) is that NO ONE can play videos on a 61/62 until the Serato Video drops. VSL was plain, but we know it worked. Now people HAVE to use SV, which may or may not be buggy....

no, you have to be a damn fool to think it won't hurt sales in any way.
if even one person cancels a mixer it is technically a loss in sales.
i know at least 3 people and 2 clubs that have cancelled their orders.

that's the main reason i have heard the people i know cancelled their order, possible bugs. especially since 2.4 has not been released before hand. one cancelled club buyer texted to me "why the fuck are you guys using software and equipment by a company that i have heard nothing but bitching about for months?? and NOW the mixer is coming out untested. wtf?!? i don't feel like dealing with this bullshit and do not want fuckups on our busiest night! we are not buying that mixer now."
all i could reply "it was not my idea."

# 2 reason is no ME support.
# 3 is SV not released until march.

Why don't you ask DJ Vegas about the pitfalls of buying a new mixer the day it comes out. I only bring that up because EVERY software-based mixer has the potential for issues the day it comes out...yet many people buy them untested.

To say that "ME is not supported and that's why I am not buying it" is short-sighted and ... well a bit of a cop-out.

To day that SV is not going to be released until March and that's why I am not buying it is also a cop-out. It is 2 weeks until March and by the time you wait for shipping and receiving you have MAYBE one week difference. No responsible DJ I know of will put 2.4 on their system and use it on their busy night without testing it first. If they do they get what they deserve. You are also disregarding those people who are beta-testing both 2.4 and Serato Video.

Now to say that you don't want to buy a new Rane mixer because you are unsure of how stable it is and you want to wait until others have tested it first...that's a smart decision and nobody can argue with that thought process.

If, at the end of the day, the removal of ME results in more than 5 mixers not being sold world-wide I would be surprised. When it's all said and done it just will not be that big of a deal.

Opps...I never wrapped up the DJ Vegas issue. He worked hard for weeks to get the mixers working right for him...and a lot of what he did help those that followed.

Being first has a plus side and a minus side.

really?? so if just 6 people cancelled their order because of no ME it would surprise you??
i know 2 people that did. yep, there is no way 4 other people will cancel their order due to no ME. i guess i just happened to know 2/5 of the amount of people world-wide that will cancel their order for that reason. what are the odds?

I said at the end of the day. That doesn't mean...today. That means when it's all said and done.

Once again, people are not looking at the long-term in this situation.

BAM!

Connect your SL3 to your Sixty-Two via RCA, use the 2.3.3 version of SSL (or whichever you want for video), connect the Sixty-Two to your computer VIA USB and MIDI map the controls on the Sixty-Two to Scratch Live. It will still work as a Core Audio/ASIO device/MIDI controller :-)

back to subject.
+ on support for ME in 2.4

and anyone saying "go complain to inklen "; it's like this, serato can very easily help inklen. without serato support ME could be dead.
this is a thread to get serato to help inklen.

now its 3 outta 5 or you could say 4 cause i was ready for 2.....kijiji add went up for 1 of my 2 57's then I was gonna get the 62 test it and then sell my other 57 and grab another 62 .....

All I can say now is im glad I got 2 57's...but we will see in a month or 2 how this plays out, there is no real point until everything is shipped released ect...

right gotcha Justin,

either way i am sure some people won't but it based on ME.

right gotcha Justin,

either way i am sure more people won't but it based on ME.

Serato Video Launching Feb. 29th

well playing with serato video at Namm seem pretty dam good to me. they could of released it then and I still fell it would hold up. I'm getting my 62 tuesday so I dont care if me is supported or not. plus all my gigs are not video gigs. I have more audio than video right now. so that 4/5 went back to 3/5 but every dj store I talk to is like we got lots of preorder and there flying off the shelf.

why the fk do you lie??!
name ONE store and location!!

name it!

I also have heard that they are selling very well. who really knows? no one here.

again, from whom?

i say this and find Que hard to believe because i have looked and sought a 62 since yesterday.
EVERY storefront i have spoken too has not seen them on shelves at all.
ONE company did say they had pre-orders come in yesterday and all shipped out and had none left in stock. however, after speaking to them for a few minutes on the subject "suddenly" one, the last one, just happened to show up in stock. so either he was trying to make a last minute sale or bullshitting me the whole time. i will guess the former.


you'd think that if anyone had gotten one a youtube vid would have gone up by now, that's just hoping.

why do you care? No reason to lie. who are you the internet police?

Like I said before, this is what I was told. I take it with a grain of salt. No really knows and who cares if they are selling or not.

It they are selling that kind of blows a hole in their "no one will buy if because ME is not included" theory.

there IS no way i think you lied, mez. but others, yea.

cool.

either way, I think in the long run they will sell very well.

ditto

agi

that just happened to be the only one.
it is true if you ONLY talk to one store than every one is selling them like crazy.

but i can not find any other big store that has a front with them in stock.
guitar center does not even have them in the system.

I dont have to lie but agi pro dj told me this today. every other place said next week and pro sound said the end of the month. guitar center didnt even know about the mixer. but every one say's they have lots of preorder. agi was the only one that had theres

and I said every store said they had preorders and there flying off the self. not every store has them and they selling fast.

The reason a few other retailers are selling well is because they had very competitive prices. They didn't get as much mixers as agi, but what they did receive they sold.

yea, i found that funny too when i went to look for them.

+1 make me compatable or make serato video the shizzle ;)

this is what i am doing until either serato video is released and/or ME is compatible with Serato 2.4

62 running pre 2.4 with ME
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Is having a 61/62 really worth it... both to me are dummy down version of the 56/57 and 68.

Are you running a SL Box? to run the 62?

certainly looks like it.
brilliant

yep he is. thats the only way.

yes a sl1

very nice trick

How do you get the virtual decks that far apart on horizontal view?

Looks like a 17" macbook

setting the audio cache to 60 secs makes the waveform bigger

ME LOOKS WAYYY HARDER THAN SERATO TO MAKE I HOPE ME MAKES THERE VERSION OF SERATO AS WELL FU∞K SERATO!!!!!!

damn bro, you need a hug. it's not that serious. lol.

I asked and he said it wasn't in the plans right now... I said the same thing

and I bet u still use serato huh. But f them. Lol Fail

Well guys. I am only 1 of maybe 10 or so people (including DJ’s and dealers) to get an advanced mixer from RANE. I'll keep this short. I first started using Video-SL 5 years ago. Switched to ME because it's hands down a better product. To run the Sixty-Two you "have" to upgrade to 2.4. Next week I'll be shooting a video for RANE and Unique Squared covering the features of the RANE mixer. Let's be clear. The RANE mixer is what I've been waiting for the past (2) years. Kudos to RANE for delivering a top of the line mixer we can all use. I will be covering all the features of the mixer in two video shoots next week. I have read the manual backwards and forwards and I do believe this mixer will replace everyone's TTM-57 in the near future. There are so many additions and improvements to the mixer. Unique Squared and I will cover these features in an upcoming 8-10 minute video, and I’m proud to be a part of this endeavor.

Now, back to Serato and ME, which are software programs. As I said, in order to access all the key features and software integration RANE has build into its mixer you "have" to run Scratch Live 2.4. That being said, moving forward, all of us ME users will "NOT" be able to run that program if we want to run the RANE Sixty-Two. Am I pissed? YES! After reading the spec sheet for the "new" Serato Video it looks the exact same as the predecessor with the addition of cross platform integration. Look, I'm not going to go over both programs, but if you are using ME you're going to be pissed like me. Again, hands down Mixed Emergency is the better of the two video programs.

For me, I can't use the mixer b/c 2.4 only runs with Serato Video and Serato Video has not been released and will not be released until March. Being as fortunate as I am to be on of only a few to get this mixer I can’t use it at my gigs. Currently, I have 5 nights of weekly video residencies, with the addition of corporate video shows, and I still have to use my TTM. Now, I can use an SL4 and re-midi map the entire RANE sixty two mixer, run the Scratch Live version I’m running which will allow me to keep using Mix Emergency, but come on, really? Honestly, if Serato Video doesn’t meet my needs this is the route I’m going to take. I may just go ahead and re-midi map the mixer this week b/c this mixer kicks ass and I want to start playing live on it right away!

Final thoughts... Look, RANE came out with a beautiful product that meets my needs and I'm sure most of your needs. Trust me when I say when you get your hands on one you’ll be excited with all the advancements with Sixty-Two and software improvements of Scratch Live 2.4. Those guys not doing videos can just dive right in and not look back. I truly feely RANE and Scratch Live have created an impressive product I will be using at all my shows. I've been a loyal user of Scratch Live and Video SL since their first releases, and if it means I'll have to go back to an inferior video program to use the Sixty-Two then that's what I'll do. Personally, in the near future, I really hope both companies can resolve this issue. Simple solution is to charge ME a licensing fee, pass on that fee to users of ME, or I challenge Serato Video to make a better product than ME. Working DJ's like myself don't care about internal politics of one-company vs. another. We just want to use the best product available and right now that’s Mixed Emergency.

When did you get your Sixty Two?

Hudia - we have a mutual friend = Chris Azar. We were trying to get you a slot at my Saturday residency Platforms in Ocala. LOL! Small world. Nice hearing ya on here.

Back on topic:

I believe we just need to give it some time. Don't just jump on it because "OMG!! BRAND NEW STUFF!!" If we know anything from the drop of the 68 - there will DEFINITELY be bugs to be sorted out right away. While all those peeps jump on this new ish right away with no thoughts on it and have to sort out buggy bugs with Serato, Nick will prob be working on the new 2.4 coding to get ME working with SSL once again. He did it before and he can do it again.

Just relax. Wait. Take a breather. Whoo-sah!

+1 to add ME support for Serato SL 2.4

I might not be getting a Rane 62 if this goes done. I'll keep my 57 and 68 no problem.

+1

+1

+1

+1

just L.I.G it.

I don't care either way as you u can still use older version of SL to work with ME. The real question should be what will the new 2.4 bring. Will it bring more plugin's, will it be able to record video sets, will it be stable. That's what I want to know!!! Most of us on the forums have known for a long time that this day would be coming, the day when Serato cut ME off. Well my friends that day has come, that is if you upgrade to 2.4.

I am not mad at anyone in this deal but I did have hope. Hope that ME would start their own full service and that Serato would go back to the old days where things worked they way they were suppose to,,,,, reliable and upgrading monthly to improve their product. Last but not least I had hope the gas would drop back down to $1... lol none of that shit has happened, yet I keep hope alive.

FYI for me I don't feel I wasted any money on either product I have been well rewarded many times the cost of the programs and I can still use both... We as VDJ's actually won in this deal as long as it ran,,, I hope you guys see that. Beside I don't waste good time crying over stuff I can not control. Resistance is Futile ya dig!!!! You guys have a nice happy VDJ day....

Lol! Me too

I think the tax on gas is at $1.00 :)

-1 to add ME support for Serato SL 2.4

LOL come on man......

+1

Maybe this new serato video is like ME in stability. On itch at namm it seemed really smooth. Could be what everybody been waiting for.

More updated. I think serato knows they have to step it up big time since no ME now.

The mixer's are going fast and itch video will be nice and bring in more money.

ITch and Video will definitely bring in more money since it is a perfect solution for mobility.

I hope some of that money goes back in to SSL. I would $200+ for SSL to be stable and to have ME back in SSL 2.4+

Yeah I hope to. As of right now I cant do video. But my next gig is sat doing video. I have a backup 57 tho

feb 28 is when 2.0 is released.


i wonder if that is feb 28th in New Zealand time?
if so that would mean we could see it sometime in the next 12 hours or so.
that would be great. i just can not wait.

who said that ? is there a post about this from serato ?? or is it just your personal opinion ??

Serato won't post about it, it is not their product.

Josh Carl is doing a preview video of 2.0 on the 28th, but I'm not convinced the program will release then.

the new features are crazy. Nick is a freakin genius.

I hope JC covers everything.

it's in the remix report. inklen told them, unless inklen changed their mind.

the funny thing is i had a dream this morning in which nick said he had to wait until after the 28th.

oooooooh, damn,

did i misinterpret that?? is it the review vid that is being released on the 28th and not ME??

I think so mate... I'm pretty sure Nick is actually on vacation this week... ;o(

yea, true. he did say he'd be out a few weeks.

damn.

at least i can be stoked about the video!!

the Mix Emergency episode (as we have eluded to in prior episodes) is shot, done, and ready to go!!!

It will air....

with in the next 24 hours.
Its a walk through and screen capture episode.
we covered just about everything... but theres a complete feature release note in the video.
The Program will drop very very very very soon for public consumption....

Looking forward to this new update.

I bet i will be checking the remixreport website 48 times today.

Black and Yellow edition bitches! :)

New Technology = New Problems = New Solutions

Guys I am editing the ME Video Report EP right now.... it should be done soon. I'll keep you posted. Josh and I did a very good brake down of ME 2.0 but there are something we left out so you can find it your self! LOL and there was things add after we shoot the ME preview.

i hate serato for this.... and it could all go away and we could alll by the f-n 62 if they would get over them selfs! YESSS i own a copy of vsl it sucked so its not like im bitching cause i dont want to buy vsl! There was bugs in vsl that serato stuck there middle finger up to you and said ffffuuuuuu we are not updating for years! Butttt buy the bridge lol then they really hit a home run with that one as well f-n losers! please band me you suck!

GOD PLEASE LET ME MAKE THERE OWN VERSION OF SERATO THAT WORKS WITH THE FANCY MIDI MIXERS MADE BY RANE!

Trust me they have had my support till now i have owned 2 sl1's 3 57's and 1 68 and got 2 68's for my club. and yea i still use these F*^Ks till me works on any other product. So yea i fail but it wont be for long trust me!

I was the only dj in my city doing video now there are about 6 and they alllllll use me and could give a sh!t less about the 62 or 2.4 lol and will stick to me!

lol Sup Vegas...anger like that is bad for you :)

Glad to see that video is finally taking off there. I need to get back there...maybe this summer.

I really hope ME moves to the next version. Even though ME may compete with Serato video, they both mean a sale of scratch live (and now maybe itch too). I think it would still be in Seratos interest.

This...

*waits for the usual suspects to chime in and tell you two that you know nothing about business and are cry-babies

haha :D

Well theres.about to be 600 and theyll be using twitch controllers lol

Itch to

no matter what side of the fence everyone sits on.
between content legality, content distribution & new soft/hardware options,
the next 2 years of the video game is going to get reeeeeal interesting

Content legality and distribution are going to be the big ones.

Its been exactly 24 hours. :D lol

that made me lol

The new serato video is SHIT!!! we need ME NOW! thanks for serato video taking us back to the stone age!! what a waste of two years to make that shit! Video-sl with a new name WOW!

it might suck now, supposedly it will be better later.

ow ya by 2099 it will have what me had in 2010.... so we just take the advanced tech bin it go back to old shite and wait! serato video needs an update every day to make it any good. video output is shocking compared to me! very basic program indeed! not impressed at all good job i only paid £60 for it! i'm going to burn it to a cd and use it to level my table up!!! lol

wow

Watchvimeo.com

I heard doin this will break your table but they plan on finding something else you can eat off of sometime in the unforseeable future

Now thats what were on about !!!!!

Now thats what were on about !!!!!

Nice :D

Www.remixreport.com
I was literally doing 80 on 95 south for shrine (as u can imagine running track possibilities through my head) when I got the txt that the video is live!

So I pulled over, and lettin u know.
Www.remixreport.com Mix Emergency 2.0 world premiere is up!!!
(for those Vimeo saavy; we know it's been up for about 2 hours ;-) )

We also have something on tap with Mix emergency that has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE!

And if it goes well, well do it as well with the other software when their products get official final releases.

Thanks JC and Eloy really good review. Incredible additions to ME.

fap-worthy stuff comes in around the 21 minute mark

I just watched that video, and can you honestly say will seratos version equal or better ME 2.0?

I don't think so.

Unless nick is away singing contracts.

I bet there is a big twist somewhere down the line.

Serato Video (Well the beta) is already out and is literally the same thing as Video-SL. They changed the name. So no it will not be same. Two years down the line and this is the GREAT update they came up with.

To be fair no one expected any changes, other than Itch. We all assume that the re-code means new feature updates will be coming down the pipe soon, and at a faster pace than previous feature updates.

People need to chill out a bit... no one expected hotness, so why get upset when it's exactly what we expected?

of coures the rane guy wants to see what ME is offering. :p


ME 2.0 looks amazing!!!! Video mapping built right in, beat grid enabled efx's, more efx added, border fill and camera input!!! like wow! thats setting the bar high.

well it aint hard to put an update up faster they could do on bug fix every 18months and that would be a massive improvment so dont listen to the bullshit serato video is a dead horse! it needs a MASSIVE overhall and MASSIVE feature list! and MASIVE improvments, basicly they need to start again.

I don't think many people believed they would be so bold as to release such a turgid update, after so long, with ME 2.0 just over the horizon.

People used to have more faith in Serato than they do today.

Uh...not to interfere with all the great thoughts here with something as mundane as the facts...but Serato did not spend 2 years coming up with an update to VSL. They spent the last 2 years developing Itch from the ground up, rewriting ScratchLive all over from the ground up...and oh yea, rewriting VSL into Serato Video.

All so that development on all 3 products can proceed ay a faster pace, with more improvements and stability becomes important again.

So yes, Serato Video looks the same as VSL...but it really isn't. Personally I am willing to wait and see what happens over the next 60-90 days and see if another upgrade for Serato Video comes out.

i wonder if multiple dimensions can be mapped for projection mapping

Are they releasing ME 2.0 today

and don't forget serato also made intro....

That is so not projector mapping. Not at the level that MadMapper from Modul8 or other mapping systems are. Nobody will be blowing up buildings on the side of buildings with ME 2.0 in any shape but a square.

Forgot to add that it is very cool...just not THAT cool.

with there new build of serato video, i dont doubt that serato video could be upgraded to the point where it could compete with ME, but thats a long way away yet. I didnt expect serato video to be all that right off the bat, but it feels like they want all of their customers back by dropping ME compatibility. I dont doubt that starting from scratch and building a new video program from the ground up was easier than modifying VSL, especially since the VSL programmer is no longer part of serato anymore. But with ME's improvement it proves that the architecture was sound from the beginning nd maybe could have just been improved without a new rewrite. Again though what ever new guy had to step in to write the new program i dont blame him for starting from scratch again. Also I dont know how much different itch is from SSL so that could play a bigger part than is apparent in the reasoning for starting from the beginning with a new video program.

The 4 corner pins are fully flexible.

You can have any 4-pointed shape you like, projection mapping is totally possible.

I hope so. I also want to see what i could do with my matrox triplehead2go and that mapping to get some crazy visual setups going.

There was a list on the left you could add more to, so I'm guessing yes.

I would have assumes that the list is for saving preset manipulation and not for adding multiple outputs. but i could be wrong.

You're right, Code:E. Obviously advanced projection mapping potential is already there if you syphon into a suitable program.

I was thinking of that too. i got ME to work flawlessly with grandVJ and it has some projector mapping built in to it. I just wish i could afford a Mac Pro tower upgraded to infinity to be able to run all of that!

I dont think a single ME user would have a problem with this.

The thing is with serato's video is the way they put it across to you.

How was it? 'A New Version Coming In March'

What you would expect from a 'new version' is a complete rework and a fully operational product without waiting for it to be developed further down the line. (Or after people complain so much about it)

What i rather serato do is say 'A new version coming in June' But list all features, specs etc etc and for it to be finished.

Keeping quiet about whats going on, then 'pulling the plug' on ME does not look good on serato's part.
After seeing the video in whats coming in ME how can serato ever compete?

Toys out of the pram on serato i think.

This feature is really useful, especially when using short-throw projectors.

The very cool, comes in the way of syphon, so you could use mad-mapper, but to be able map your projection with a free update is very cool.

Every short throw projector has better than decent keystonning ability. Maybe if you really need to drastically change the angle...but how many times do you need to do that?

Once again...it's a cool feature, just not a COOL feature :)

Yes, but most do not have a wide-tele option. So if you're stuck putting the projector at a particular place and it isn't perpendicular to the wall you're good to good now or just being able to map it on any surface area. Again, if you want to get crazy, there's syphon, so you can use mad-mapper or a similar software.

my short throw only has vertical keystone, not horizontal. and my other regular projector can do vertical and horizontal, but not much for horizontal. ME's mapping just saved the day. again.

just like with the delay compensation. and being able to reverse the image within the program for rear projection. and those brightness and saturation controls. damn. i hope serato is taking notes.

all i ask for is a media bank and random transitions...mabye a few transitions and effects every month or so....not even asking much

+1

Holy shit...every projector in the world has the ability to reverse their image...and flip it.

Seriously I am fine with what ME has done, but it is not the second coming of video tools.

I have 2 Projector that are 6 years old with 4000 Brightness (Lumens) and they don't have the ability to reverse their image. Yes I know you going to tell me to buy a new projector but I don't need to at all if ME can reverse their image.

You know what, with the options that ME has had for the last 2 years the second coming came 2 years ago.

Justin you have been trying all day to find thinks to nitpick about ME 2.0. But you keep on missing the target. I know you are not a fan of ME at all. We all see that every time you talk about ME. I know you said 40 to 60 days lets see what Serato comes up with. I will give them that time. But as of right now I am staying with ME 2.0. Unless they change the change.

I got a question for all of you guys, If Inklen came out with a DVS for ME. Would you look at?
and if it was rock stable/ even more stable then 1.9.2/2.3/2.4 how much would pay for it?

I would pay $700+! Just to know my new mac book pro would not crash!

hell yes, i would!!
frankly, ANY product that is solid, a dvs system and great for Vjing i would spend money on.

You know what then, that what we need to do DVS time... Who is with me $700 each! LOL

i will throw in $700 and i will do it today but it depends on who it goes to. if it's for inklen than i request shares.

quite serious too.

shouldn't inklen thought about his own dvs 2 years ago.

Nah, 2 years ago they were too busy thinking about further improving what was already the best Video DJing plugin on the market.

Which, funnily enough, was around the time Serato apparently forgot they even made a video plugin.

are you speaking of mix emergency?
it was already insanely better than vsl back then. it was better 3 years ago even.

Agreed, I did say it was already the best... ;-)

$700 WOW!!!!, actually it's more than 700. You paid $ 179 for ME as I understand it, there will be a charge associated with ME 2.0 let's say $100. Total cost $979 that is basically 1 grand. Serato no matter the upgrade you only paid $200 and honestly you got just about 200 dollars worth of service as shitty as it might be. I look at the additions ME 2.0 and wonder if I could live without them,,,,, a few I could!!!! I have a rear and front projector so don't need that, since you have latency on usb cameras there is no need for that, I mean really do you want the FIXED built in cam on you all night.

ME is the best thing since sliced bread as far as I am concerned I love it and the support Nick gives us but $700 for me would be too much. I remember one of the reasons I got ME was that everybody kept talking about plugins being added every week ,,,not the case these days and I hear nobody complaining about that. Since it's a solid product why would you complain but let's say Serato puts out a SLV version that had more effects and recording of video set's then what? They already have the best file management system out there.

I am not of fan of Serato, but honestly Serato is not that far removed from the game with just a couple of additions they would be right back at the top. Most went to ME because of the plugins, flexibility and the biggest reason recording, all of which could be added to Serato and who's to say they are not being added. As always this will boil down to personal choice based on needs, want's and desires, as of right now ME 1.7 does all I need, some of the upgrades in 2.0 I desire but $700 is something I don't want.

FYI 2.3 has been pretty solid with ME 1.7 not one crash for me, took a long time to convert files but was worth it.

Congrats on misreading what they were saying.

They were saying they would pay $700 for a whole DVS made by Inklen, not just a video program... :-)

Delay compensation is a massive must!!! Most club sound sytems run through a processor and adds delays with ME you can fix this. Massive MUST has tobe in the next version of SV!

Also media bank is a must for me as i drop the clubs adds in there! Very usefull. And must for me in next version of sv.

Better quality output Me looks better than vls and sv!

Video screens next to virtual decks is a must opening the video window is shit and takes up my library! This must be fixed for next version!

If all that was in next version i would be abit more happy! Only abit lol

But that aint guna happen because serato dev team are to busy working on Scratchlive 3.0

as long as music cannot be automatically added to serato file management sucks.

it would take more than a few things for serato video to be in the same bracket as ME.

without the following Serato Video is found wanting:
random transitions
delay compensation
recording
presets
mediabank
syphon output

^THIS

Are you referring to the ability to store custom presets? If so, +1

You can always use ScratchTools or the Itch-Sync tool to automatically add files to your library.

+1 ^^

nik39 i use ScratchTools and FolderActionScripts but my point is that i shouldn't have to do that.

being able to automatically add new music to serato is a basic feature that should have been there since 1.0. FinalScratch and Tracktor both could do this.

Agreed.


I think they would have added if the database in SL/Itch was performing better. There are a couple of users who complained that SL doesn't start properly when you exceed a certain number of crates. I can acknowledge that problem.

+1

@nik

they should implement it. users with large libraries or large # of crates can disable the feature.

you point to where your music is. you either enable/disable scanning on startup or you scan manually.

7 years later...smdh

SL wise: I'd rather have bug fixes than having new features. Just my 2 cents.

+1

And even ScratchTools does not always work, at least it does not for me. I posted some help questions here serato.com never got any answers back

@ DJBOBNo I meant what I said, let me say it like this. After you have purached the DVS you would have spent 1 grand on ME products. FYI DO YOU REALLY THINK IT WILL BE $700...NOT!!! Don't forget most of us have paid for Serato and thier mixers so I was saying not good money magament all the way around. You invest that money only to drop it off I have a hard time doing that but if it comes to that oh well!!!. I am for having the best but damn something gota give. Gas is to damn high to keep buying shit... is all I am saying.

As far as the file management I was being sarcastic, I use scratch tools to do most of what I want to happen. Yet I am with Nyce on this, it should do it without scripts. Other than analyzing videos improperly I would be very happy with the file management system. It for sure better the ME's management system :)

Can anyone be real and answer this. Do these plugins make more of a difference to the crowd or the DJ?

Yes, to both.

+100, also nice job of using blanket assumptions to try and up the numbers in the point your struggling to make.....and ummmm ummm I mean you have a car to get to gigs right so the dvs is now 35 grand and and I have a bad foot so thats 42 grand ...YOUR DUMB FOR PAYIN 42 GRAND FOR A DVS SERATO RULEZ

Congrats on misreading what the question.... THe question is!!!

Can anyone be real and answer this. Do these plugins make more of a difference to the crowd or the DJ?

MORE IS THE KEY WORD so it can be either one but not both.

Sorry, I missed that.

But why would you post a ScratchTools question on this forum in the first place?

Just curious.

Once again the answer is yes, yes to both, Si senior, ja, yee, yabo, ya, positivley

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

Something which helps the DJ put on a better show means a better experience for the crowd. Always.

Its not an appropriate question, crowds love all the cool shit we can do with the videos for their entertainment and djs love puttin on amazing shows and the features that make our jobs easier

+1000

I was waiting on that..... I thought you were getting old and slipping nik39...

As far as the quetion,,, you guys just don't want to give the real answer.... so forget about it.

It's not a real question.

So Answer This.

How Does the crowd prefer to look at the video.

Effects Always On Or 1 Or 2 Effects.

My Crowds like to took at the video almost regular. When There at the bar or sitting in vip. the dance floor could give a shit ass if I'm going thru 100 effect's.

I look at stuff as a club goer not as a DJ.

And who's to say this serato video team cant get to mix emergency level. there not dev's for nothing.

As a club goer I dont wanna just watch videos as they are on tv at home, I also dont want to see video not synced with audio and I dont wanna see the same lame transitions over and over, im I AM saying the serato team cant do it based on the existing evidence,that in two yeaes they HAVENT done it

I usually ask people that are watching the video's do effects bother them. some are like I didn't notice it.

Or One Effect had my head spinning.

I would like
split screen
random transitions
delay compensation
recording (I'm on the wall on this one)
presets
mediabank
syphon output

As a well respected UK VDJ explained to me, there is a difference between a DJ who plays music videos, and a video DJ.

It's cool if you are happy being the former, but personally I aspire to be the latter.

Que, que, que...

I think you're still not getting it. It is *not* about the number of effects. I try to use as little effects as possible (or at least staying away from the effect-effects [if that makes sense to you]. Plus you admitted you know very little to nothing about ME. Why are you comparing it then?

Anyway, I sound like a broken record repeating it.

But ain't this a new team or person's working on it.
as of now were all guessing & some trying to bully them into ME Support.

I say give them a chance and then i they don't get it done then get back on them.

Hell I would even probably get ME.

What's the difference... please expound

Me personally, when I'm at a club I could give a sh!t about videos. I come to dance, and videos kinda seems to take the chicks attention at times. I think videos are better for bars and lounges personally

^wow really

See people do care, the most important people at that lol

www.kelsweeney.com

+1

No I get It.

But I'm the type to invest my money and I don't see why Inklen didn't do that with what he was making.

I'm sure in everybody head there was a thought of what if serato changes there codes and it disable ME. What is Inklen Going to do.

I know in our business we have to stay competitive.

Look at this example.

You go into a venue and the dj is using VDJ and its freezing the quality is cheesy and your like WTF.

You talk to the owner & give him a dvd and the owner is like wow your video's look way better than his. and give you the job.

Now you just took this man job.

Now the bar gets empty cause they like the way he played the video's & You gotta get them to like your style.

Now the guy who job you took upgrades his stuff and calls the owner and say's hey My shit is up to par with that DJ and I can bring the crowd back.

This is how I look at the Serato & ME Issue. maybe im just thinking too far.

Yes, really... But you and I probably come from different club backgrounds. I came up patronizing Hip-Hop clubs. Video is not really important. Frankly I think it takes away. Think about your best hip-hop club experiences. For me, it was late 90s- early 2000's. There were no Video DJs. You came to dance and party. There was no bottle service. No with bottle service and to some extent videos, the hip-hop club experience has been reduced to who can ball out in their section or VIP the hardest. Or everyone standing around, looking "cute" watching videos. That's all cool at a bar or a lounge. But at a club, I really miss the days of just straight, unabashed partying. Not "HI, would you like to dance?"...... "OMG!!! Sure, I love this video!!!"

Sure hell ill agree...bu what does that have to do with the current conversation of moving tje art backwords

It's a real simple quesiton yet if you can't answer I understand, so I will answer my own question. I have seen sets with VSL and ME and I have done sets with both. I do a little editing and I know which is the best from a visual aspect real talk,,,, I only use ME period. I can assure you the crowd does not know unless they are DJ's themselves. Party goers don't look at the sreen the whole time they are in the club,,, they dance to the music. I think it's more for the DJ so we can out do each other. I can rock a show with VSL just as well with ME, only diffrnece is I would have more fun doing it with ME. Does it matter to the crowd no.... but it does matter to the dj yes. I for one would not be caught using VSL becasue I have ME simply because I enjoy more options. Video adds to your set more than it takes away but video is not needed to rock a party if your a good dj.

I'm just saying.. that in today's club environment......most patrons don't really care. The same way a wack DJ couldbe in the mix all night and the place stays packed. As DJs, we are more sensitive to that stuff. Sometimes, we think we know what the consumer really wants. The places I play at, no one really pays attention to the videos. It's more atmosphere... so for me VSL/SV does that job. I think that's the point Que was trying to make. I understand if you guys need more. But it's not really regressing the art backwards. You can still use ME... and eventually I believe functionality will be restored in either current or future versions of SSL.

....so your defending a product you admit you wouldnt use..ya this isnt even a debate anymore

Really.... what ever gave you that clue.....???

I dont believe you open SV and record a mix to post to prove it.....oh wait guess that wont be happening lol

I really don't care whether you believe me or not. I have nothing to prove to you. I'm just telling you what works for me in Houston. Cool?

I've got to say that says more about your attitude than the crowd. If you don't want to do video, don't. Just put a logo on loop.

At a Joachim Garraud club gig, how many people do you think aren't paying attention to the videos?

Watchwww.youtube.com

Fuck it lets all din are dj stuff get a cheap ass desktop with itunes on and a two channel soundlab mixer fuck it the customers dont care!!!

Dude, Hip-Hop crowds don't care about that.....

Joachim Garraud ain't exactly hip-hop lol

If you can't open your mind enough to imagine a video show which WOULD make hip-hop crowds care, then I don't understand why you are playing video at all.

Lol, It's just diffrent bro... I guess you wouldn't understand.

I'm just telling you how it is..... no need for the sly, pseudo-clever insults

Nothing sly. I am genuinely questioning why you bother to do video at all? It sounds like you aren't interested in it.

And how many people do you see dancing..... WITH EACH OTHER??? LOL

That's a concert bro. That's cool at a hip-hop concert... but a club is different, or should be anyway.

The fact that that statment went completley over your head says alot about your exoertise in the subject

What I'm trying to convey to you is that videos at the clubs I play in are more for the atmosphere and ambiance. They are not the main attraction.

Your kidding me right, hip hop videos are choc full of big booty bitches, who aint glued to the screen lol, half of my hip hop videos are a nipple away from xrated

What?

Honestly.. Audio comes first. Otherwise your just a Visual Jockey. Video is icing on the cake. But it needs to be done correctly.

But then.. we DJs have been preaching the same about audio. Some people are deaf, and they just dont care. You can play 64kbps audio - they're fine as long as they get drunk and laid.

What you stated did not go over my head. I chose not to respond specifically to yourbash about SV not being able to record. That's already understood... what would have been my motivation?

it may be they arent the main attraction because your not putting in the effort to put on a good video show,thats the dif between a video dj and a dj who plays videos

Yeah and lets ditch all the Rane/Serato soundcards, lets ditch the Traktor soundcards.

The crowd wont know the difference, do they? Lets just use a lead from the headphone socket of a laptop to the mixer.

^ This. But to some of you self serving, "I think I'm a Video God", you don't get that rationale. You think your"Video show" Made the club that night when in reality... they were just drunk

OK, so let's see one of your amazing video sets from your spot...... Since you can record ;-)

Touche

I think you missed my point.

You should always strive for the best quality.

Or does playing bad videos mean you just can't do better?

Oh... you mean the crowd doesn't care? Or your hip hop crowd does not care?

Then [not specifically you damehype ;) ] go back to playing 64kbps songs you have recorded from your radio.

I wasn't referring specifically to you either Nik

LOL at all of us.

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Quality of the Videos yes. But 75 effects vs 10 effects for a hip-hop club where the videos provide an ambience and not a concert... No

I forgot whose side im on here, can we repick teams, ill shoot for ball

I'll sit out this quarter, I'm a fat bloke and I don't have the stamina.

I think it's just a lack of understanding which environment we come from. I'v been to mainstream top 40 clubs where the theatrics matter. But in "most" hip-hop establishments all of that really doesn't matter too much. That's the only point I was trying to make.

I like the way this thread is going, finally someone comes in and tell it like it is, at leas in my part of the world...

I agree, "regular" video can take away good vibe from a club IMO, Then again, I'm not into top40 stuff. And Joachim Garraud, does not do "regular" videos, he does VISUALS. Its a huge difference!

A majority of music videos are designed for a public sitting on their asses, on a coach in their living room. Visuals are made to engage the audience either in a club or concert venue.

These days there are more videos coming out, made like visuals, which is a good thing for the club IMO. And we, as performers, NEED innovative companies like Inklen. The new version can do more visuals stuff, that was only available in Adobe After Effects or Apple Motion.

Serato is Serato Audio Research remember. I'm not sure what roadmap Serato has, but I'd for one would like them to focus on what they are really good at, its the reason I went with them in the first place. IE the best and most easy & stable DVS on the market.

Hell, it would help Serato if they had more plug-in partners, have a look at the Photoshop, After Effects, Fcp, etc plug-in market in the video and graphic business.

Same thing with the Bridge, it ADDS value to SSL, just like ME does.
And yeah, I do like the Bridge, a lot...

ME is not about a gazillion effects.

+1 all of this

+100

90% of the disconnect in these musings are because people are dealing only in ABSOLUTES.

how can ANYONE say whats right, or a fact for someone else.
make absolute statements like: everyone in this club does THIS.
this product is this, so it works for this.
on both sides all the points here....

are we all playing in cookie cutter rooms across the planet, we get the same crowd, with the same AV system, with the same set of skills?

what i recommend to someone about the way I run my saturday night set, is completely different than the way I run my Friday set... and Im just ONE DUDE!
If I did my friday style at my sat spot Id lose that gig.

so, why do people insist on their experiences becoming the standard for all to measure by?
and when it dont seem to make sense to them, they get all salty.

if you want to give advice, or reflect directly on how your night works for you and why at that particular establishment... that way the reader can say... well, thats cool, but I am a _____ DJ and my rooms has ______ so, that really wouldnt work for me....

one of the biggest hurdles sophomore DJs have to get over is that the world is bigger than them, they are not the be-all end-all of standard practice for the global community of DJs.
I did, i went through it.... playing MY set, no matter who was infront of me, being cocky, thinking my shit dont stink, my way was the right way, and what ever someone said otherwise they were a mark and had no grounds for even an opinion....its part of developing.
for some cats it lasts a week, for some... well, they are still in it.

so please, if anything (and Ive been quilty of this too) please stop selling what YOU do in YOUR places as the standard for all to be measured and compared.
theres way too many styles, room types, genres, vibes, ect ect to think one person/place
is the "one"

Busted. Guilty too.

1st post guys. No Bitching. Haha

ya it was kinda naive to think that anyone would read or respect the wishes of the thread starter. :(

Actually you are 100% wrong. I think ME blows VSL or Serato Video out of the water. I have also said...for 2 years, that I wish that Serato would integrate ME into ScratchLive. AND I have also said that until Serato officially supported ME that I would not buy it...for the EXACT reason that is happening now. If I had depended on ME I would be screwed like everyone else is...and I have too much professionalism in my craft to allow that to happen. So I created workarounds that allow me to do 90% of what ME does...without using ME.

Please do not confuse my statements for my feelings. If Serato officially supported ME, like I actually think they should, I will be the first one to get it.

BUT...you also have to realize that ME is not the second coming of video support. Many, many other things can do 90% of what ME does right now...and without adding processor overhead to the mix.

+1 for ME
-1 for no ME....

I say lets have both ME and SV
1ME + 1SV = 2 Video Apps

so +2

LOL just kidding....

+1ME

your first statement is a bit ironic. you could have used the EXACT SAME professionalism attitude and applied it to ME.
i use ME and i am NOT screwed...if i were screwed at all it would have started with the release of ssl 2.0.
but I have too much professionalism in my craft to allow that to happen. So I created workarounds that allow me to do 90% of what the new ssl does...while using ME.


i find it impossible to believe that you can do 90% with vsl that mix emergency can do.
and if you are not just making that up then i propose a challenge. i will name a key benefit of mix emergency and you tell us how you recreated it.

Tomatoslice he is using hardware, and unless he has crazy money, then all his hardware is SD and not HD. I am not talking about SD video bing upscaled to HD Justin. I am talking about FULL HD 1080P O and by the way ME can play 2K and 4K video. VSL, Serato Video, and all the hardware you have can not play 2K or 4K video. If you don't know what is 2K or 4K look here and learn > en.wikipedia.org

Right there that make ME the second coming of video support.... POW!

I for got to add this too "Syphon" - syphon.v002.info < go read if you don't know about it and when you are look at the page look at the list of all video apps that can run together with syphon.

I use Modul8 and ME with Syphon.... how much hardware do you have to use Justin to do the job Modul8 dose for get about ME or VSL.

Come on Justin I want to see your video rig...... I have video hardware too, I would love to see your setup I have been told it's crazy.

again, we are getting into "look what i can do" and "this works for me"

but there are some facts that no one can touch... today...
There is no other solution on the market that has the feature list, the stability, performance benchmarks and quality outputs for under $200 and resides in a 2.5mb DMG file.

and while old faithful someday might have an answer.
but I have a gig Friday...
and that gig will lead to perhaps a better, bigger gig on Saturday...
I dont have time to wait for developers to recreate an existing solution out of some sort
of misguided allegiance to a program that forgot about me for 2 years.
Fool me once (2 years waiting for VSL 1.3); Shame on you
Fool me twice (releasing SV as a competitive video dj solution in 2012) ; shame on me.

I wont be fooled again...and remember, this is coming out of one of VSL biggest supprters and praise sayers on the PC side.... ive been in the trenches, using the program at length


but I like i said, whats good for the goose isnt always good for the gander.

100%

Eloy what midi app are you using on your iPad with ME?

Touch OSC

Eloy is the iPad too big to be using as ur midi controller? Where do you set it?

This is my setup in the club
www.facebook.com

This is my Touch OSC layout: www.mediafire.com

I maybe going way off base to answer this question but sometimes you have to go around to get to the middle.. Ok I must admit when ipods and mp3 player 1st came out I thought "I don't need this what is the true purpose?", but when I got one I thought "Why didn't I get one sooner" Why do you think people go out to see a Vj Or DjVJ it's because the extra element of the *VIDEO*, added with the music... Hell if it wasn't they could go to any party just for the music alone.. And if they knew that said Vj/ DJVJ could add effect and different transitions to his set they might just be a little bit more impressed with the over all night.. So if you want to leave a lasting impression on your crowd or even give them something to tell their friends what they seen @ your set don't you think you would want to have the best shit out to leave that impression and beef up your crowd? Now answer that

Ok Imma go there... For all you so call VJ/DJVJ's if you really don't give a shit about transitions and video effect and video quality and all the other non sense that has spark debate after debate after debate.. Then Why mix video's why not mix regular music. It's much cheaper you don't have to worry about spending extra money on joining video pools. When and who will release their next update, will it run on your system, can I do this and can I do that.. SSL has never (well almost never) crashed anyone PC or mac. you can go out and get any mixer you want for a little of nothing. Why put your self through all these unnecessary hassles. And this is not a ME vs VSL/SV.. . It's a question for you to think about in your head... Whatever you feel is the best don't you want it to be as worry-free as possible.

Eloy Garcia,

We both know that is matters not one bit that ME, because of apple hardware, can do full HD. (and let's be careful about the use of the word "full" here). I sincerely doubt that you (or 99.9% of DJ's) are running a full HD set-up through every link in the chain.

The second a video stream touches an downconverted device it loses the HD. That means cables, switchers, projectors...everything. Oh, and before we even get there let's remember...how many HD videos are out there?

So, once again you take something that ME can handle and make it seem like if someone buys this product it will solve all of their issues. And in the end you actually do a disservice to ME.

I have been using Modul8 for almost 4 years now...check out their forum board and you will see me on it. I actually do it differently because of the hardware set-up I have...I run it off a separate system and bring it all together downstream.

Why do I run it from a different system? To minimize multiple programs running on my Serato system. To keep the chances of failure or slowdown to an absolute minimum.

thanks for the layout. i dabbled with touch osc and ableton, but never got into. i guess i'll go steal the wife's ipad now.

Other way round in my house.

I bought MYSELF an iPad 2. But I only get to use it maybe 2% of the time, as Wifey decided she rather likes it. Chance of me getting it out of the house for gigs is non-existent!

It's alright though, I'll be using that as my excuse to buy an iPad 3 in a few weeks...

Oh so you'll be able to use your ipad2 cause she's going to take the ipad3.. IJS

Sad, but undoubtedly the truth.

yeah i might have to take a look at the ipad 3.

Sorry buddy, but be ready to experience the power of the ipad2....I crack myself up

Me = sad face

Wifey = watching Netflix on a retina display

I remember when I gave my wife my balls.... Lmfao

^^truth, but shes a good woman so tis ok :)

I gave my balls to a slutbucket whore. Not a good idea. Now I got 1 1/2 balls :\

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ its true, Eloy has seen it!

I'm in that weird part of the Serato forums again.

Consider this tread temporarily jacked

FIXED!!!!!!!!

WTF! What you mean, I seen his 1 1/2 balls.... You are Crazy Josh!

I mean yes he stated at my APT over the weekend, but damn man there was no balls action going on ok! LOL LMFAO!!!

haha

lol someone is protesting too much!

Joshua Carl or Eloy Garcia which version of SL are you using with ME 2.0
Or better yet which do you recommend. I am currently and after the conversion of files, forever using 2.3 either of you using that with 2.0

2.3.3.18 is the final version of 2.3. You can find it in the dowloads area of this site.

Got Called last night to do a video set cause the club was having a battle of the promoter's.

I get there they got a karaoke DJ doing karaoke with VDJ and he was doing video in between. his shit was so cluttered.

He Had 2 PC's Running VDJ 1 For Karaoke And One For Video's Shit was funny. I'm Like Dam That's A Lot Of Shit.

Shit reminded me of a technician bench.

Well I Come in setup and he's looking like dam Is that the new rane mixer I'm Like Yeah.

He's like I heard they don't do video yet. I laugh and say when your finish with the Plug hand it to me.

So I play a video set and I'm Going threw the effects later in the night cause I remembered this post.

A Few people came up to me like hey can you just play the video without the crazy shit in it. that's there exact words.

I'm like you don't like it, there like no we wanna see the video.

I Didn't know Too Short had a video for Sliding Down The Pole. ( My Custom Made Edit)

This Is A all hiphop club.

So I Stop And waited a hour and play very few effects to none. Just Used the Melt and default the rest of the night.

Got Paid and went home. Made $500 Stack's. Back From My 62 Purchase. By Sat I will have made all My money back.

But most hiphop club are not into the extra stuff Me Or Serato Video Does.

Just Us DJ's.

On another not the VDJ DJ was looking at the video's like dam there clearer than mines.

Duh Yeah you use VDJ.

Didn't have no issues all night. with 2.4 or SV

Im sitting here having a good laugh at all the people who think the biggest difference between me and vs, or the focus of vdjing is fx lol, thanks for the laughs guy

ps que....cool story bro!

plot device.

Looks like you're trying to constantly ignore what we're saying, huh?

;)

you should've said go fuck yourself and left gradient map with grid on p1 and p2 on all night.

^^^^^ Haha But I Was Really Trying To Show Off The Video I Made Of Sliding Down The Pole

Kinda My Fault To Haha..

This really made no sense to me. Why spend hundred if not thousands of dollars to attempt to almost recreate what a $200 program does already. ME worked perfectly and better than VSL up until the release of 2.4.

I would be more worried by the latest Scratchlive releases ruining my performance rather than ME.

Wait im confused you said you didnt know too short had a video for sliding down the pole...but,it was YOUR edit...how much are you smoking lol

I have ME becasue it's cool much better then VSL, but the real reason is recording, I could map just about everthing to my X-1 and becasue I saw other dj's with it and I didnt want to be left in the dust. FX are not so big to me as they use to be becasue people most people think the video was made that way.

DJ Que did you help your promoter win? And are you saying you were sliding down the pole in your edit... Im confused... That could make or break a winner huh....: )

Que less is more and you were using vsl effects...I mean sv effects which mostly suck..so please continue talking shit about thing you have no clue about....and VSL/SV puts out a better output than vdj....check your facts son...and the files, and the specs of each computer .....cmon guy give up already

My hardware is still working...yet ME is not. For now anyways. However honestly if I was just starting video...or had just started it within the last 2-3 years, yea I would have totally gone with ME a long time ago. For now however that is not an option for anyone.

ME is still working perfectly well if you don't upgrade to 2.4.1 or have a Sixty One or Sixty Two. If I remember correctly you are on a Pioneer DJM-800. Since there are no real benefits to upgrading to 2.4.1 then ME should be perfect for you.

Not only is my ME working thanks to 2.0 its workin better than ever lol

I am using 2.3 and Josh is using 1.9.2.

You can beat grind all your video in 2.1 to 2.3 and then use 1.9.2 to play back the video but the grid data is still there in your track and ME 2.0 will read it.

LMFAO!!! Good job Rebelguy!

despite my post,,, and who am i to think people might pay any heed to a suggestion i have?
who the hell am I.

but I think its a fair and just statement.

I think everyone needs to come to terms with a few things.

1. There is not swaying some people.
call it stubborn, call it old fashioned, call it fan boy'ism.

2. why would you want to help someone out, or put someone on to something hot
that wont appreciate it?

3. some people are just always right... no matter what.
your opinions wrong, its dont matter, what I say goes.

4. last word freaks,
even if the discussion has reached its pinacle, it gets rehashed over some miniscule
detail "for argument's sake"

I personally dont understand anymore why we even bother trying to validate this already established program to handful of people that have no interest in it.
if you are the kind of video DJ that doesent want the things that ME offers, or VDJ offers... There is not a single thing wrong with that.
Just like theres djs who ONLY use official singles. no remixes, redrums,edits....
its what THEY do, and how THEY WANT to roll.

let em.
on the same premise... trying to convince a bunch of relatively well established, even some veteran users of all video DVS's that VSL or SV right now is on par with ME is just plain rediculous... facts are facts.
If the bare minimum in a video DVS is good enough for you DOES NOT mean its right
for everyone... and vice versa.
we all know the programs.... we have all used the programs.
stop trying to sell cars to a bunch of car salesmen.

we big boys, we can check the demos and make up our own minds.

done

JC, have you tried 2.3.3? just curious as to why you are sticking with 1.9.2

on another note i just lost $3950 on RGCN and gained $1240 on SPLS. not sure if i should hold on to SPLS or not. time for some aht action.

Im in the process of making the switch
(truth be told, everytime Im about to I get a message from another "tech saavy" video dj saying noooooooo, i did it and i had to go back.... crashes, mp4 file issues.
Ive also has some high-profile gigs... didnt wanna gamble then.

but i have a plan.
I am making a 4th backup drive.
and going to do the complete library re-write/annylize and that way if it dont work
I can just go back to the other drive on 1.9.2

I have been batting 1000% with 1.9.2 since it dropped.
and the efx in 2.3 are tempting but... not tempting enough.... now with the ME 2.0
beat Grid driven effects.... Thats reason enough right there.

so, in my own way...I too am being stubborn, but its more scurred from all the horror
stories... everytime i goto do it, i look in the help forums and get even more shook

what really steams my clam is one of my suggestions went into 2.1
and i cant even reap the benefits.

i did it and i have not had any issues. i backed up all the vids, installed and re-analyzed the entire library. not a hiccup since the upgrade.

tease.

lmfao

Nyce I keep on trying to make him move to 2.3 but my new Macbook Pro keeps on crashing so every time I till him about a 2.3 crash he gets shook!

Good plan. I use 4 identical drives. Two compatible with 1.9.2, one for the latest version, and one that holds all of my downloads. I also store all 4 drives on a 12 terabyte fiber drive.

The only thing I end up losing is time.

@Josh
i am on 2.2 with ME
2.3 crash on me all the time but 2.2 is very stable
Have not had any issues with 2.2 and ME 1.7 ( Knock on wood )

you just proved my point that your audience probably never noticed the difference between ME and VSL because you did very little to show them the difference.


umm...thanks.

i WAS thinking of leaving 192. no, i am scared again.

wasn't 2.2 the one that caused corrupted files?

2.2 with ME is good for me

never went any higher because of the new library format in 2.3

No that was 2.3.........

ah, so it was the second build, 2.3.3, that fixed that issue.

2.2 with ME was solid for me!!!

I had a lot of weird dropout issues with 2.2.0, so I've been back on 2.1.1 for a few months.

I've just made the jump from 2.1.1 to 2.3.3 though, because I want to use SV with Itch at midweek bar gigs.

I tested that combo on my backup MBP for a while and it's sweet.

The only issues I had were with iTunes purchased music videos, but they're shit quality so I'm trying to phase them out anyway. Even then, they just have tagging issues, they didn't get corrupted.

Obviously I have a back-up of my library pre-2.3.3 just in case, but no issues with ME so far.

Just went back to 2.2, had too many tag writing after track ejection with 2.3.3. And yes all files have been analyzed.

you have to totally delete your crate system and start from scratch

Yup, started with a new drive and everything was from scratch. Analyzed everything. I haven't had a crash or anything, but I've had crashes before because of serato trying to write tags after ejection. I'm not sure what it's 2.3.3 is writing, since I've done nothing to the track but play it, no info changes.

Jack, are you getting no writes at all with 2.3.3. 2.2 was stable for me without any tracks trying to write after ejection, but I was trying to get ready for the new serato video.

Well Niro's I got some info for you.... SSL 2.3.3 has only been writing tags when a M4V file is load and ejected... Funny thing is Niro's it's been all your old edits and iTunes video files that are M4V. I deleted all my crates and stated over just like Jack said and old M4V's are writing tags.

Yeah, I figured that out awhile back. Got rid of all other containers and only have mp4 files. A lot of the files are smashvidz files also.

I havnt had a single issue after redoing all my ish in 2.3.3.18

I have to agree...I have done a few slow nights with 2.3.3.18 and have had no issues with it at all...but I really have not pushed it hard...I am sure that Millz has :)

naw the too short and E40 song. sliding down the pole. I made with clips of players club and a dancer.

2.2 was trash for me, it would write tags for videos it wouldn't crash but it would pause my videos on both screens for like 6 secs. That shit was irrtatiing and embarssing. Nyce told me he had no issue with his 2.3.3 so I upgraded and it runs just like 1.9 smooth. I push it every day to see if I can make it crash becasue I got a big paying gig coming up and want to make sure I get it again so I need it to work and work well. Maybe some of the issues are MAC related. I have no issue and I have a Pre Unibody Mac cant remeber the version of os but it 10.8.6 or something like that. ... what about those who have had the crashes what type of mac do you have. ?

Funky I am just playing but damn OSX 10.8.6 all ready... you must work for Apple! LOL I am just kidding. You must be running OSX 10.6.6 cause Lion is only at 10.7.3 right now. I a feeling that SSL 2.3.3 might be better on OSX 10.6 and not Lion.

It could be hardware related. My friend says his Pre-Unibody is more stable then his Unibody when doing video.

Interesting. I have a pre-unibody also, and am thinking about getting another one this year rather than buying a brand new Mac. It's running SSL 2.3.3/ME and Itch 2.2/SV pretty flawlessly right now, and I don't have to buy a $400 external box to make it work with various TV inputs at bars.

One of these days, the minimum specs will eclipse the capability, but for now, I'm sticking with what works lol. I have not seen any of the issues that folks with i-series processors have been having!

Im not having one issue with my unibody 2008.

Neither am I but is an issue I have heard about.

DJ-fx don't work properly on 2.3.3 though

LMAO, so true +1.

I dont know if you caught it, but i pulled your record last week on the show.
fast forward to about 11.00

breaks for life.

link would help: Watchvimeo.com

Hey man, big ups to both of you! Keep doing what you're doing. Very entertaining and informative videos.

Very cool that record got pulled! Brings back some great memories of DJ Who and I making that in my old studio in Tampa. I do remember the lead in that song was made with a VIRUS B.

Side note, the video I did with Unique Squared and RANE covering the 62 should be hitting the web this week. Hope you guys enjoy it! Keeping things separate from one another RANE really did come through with the 62. I've been a critic the past year, but hopefully in the video you can tell how stoked I am about this mixer.

On the other hand... To me, this whole Serato vs ME bullshit needs to figured out quickly. My advice to everyone, DON'T HOLD BACK! Speak your mind. Me personally, I think it's pathetic Serato would decide to cut off ME users and therefore taint the release of this mixer. Just one more bad decision by Serato. Looks like my TTM 57 will get a couple more months use before it gets sidelined to the studio.

Preach!

Amen!!!!

can i get a witness

Jack I think you was right 2.3.3 has not been giving me any problems... Thank you for giving me a ways of fixing this shit... Lets see how this weeks goes...

Here is ME 2.0 for you all that don't have it:

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Thats messed up Lol

I love it ...........
Eloy you are the man......

OMG so much to read! My head hurts

Im not reading all this shit