*This will be a big thing*

Finally!

Cheers!

I would love to quote myself from January this years:

serato.com

Things are happening!

Digitaldjtips is a crock of crap sometimes.

The video is official from Pioneer!
I can't wait, I already switched 1/3 of my DJing to Rekordbox, now the 2/3 where I need console or Vinyl has to follow!

One thing I did notice is that the specs for the Ram went up to 4 gigs. Not too bad. But one Item stuck out. Is pioneer going to get away from using the LAN connection and moving onto the USB Connection? Which do you think is more stable? I kinda liked the LAN Connection over the USB. Since I switched over from Serato DJ to RKB, I have never had any drop outs or crashes while using RKB. Also this was tested with the same hard drive that was used with Serato.

Please let this announcement make Serato step up their game and make SDJ 2.0 a much more robust DJ platform. There hasn't really been much direct competition in this space for a long time. It looks like Pioneer pretty much copied Serato software one for one on this new Rekordbox program, and judging by the interface it will work on the DDJ-SR/SX/SZ line of controllers. Serato has been (IMHO) caught flat footed during the crossover from SSL to SDJ, and really hasn't brought many useful enhancements to the platform in years. I personally don't know anyone who uses Flip, Beat Jump was long overdue but also included in Rekordbox, the FX options in Serato are so convoluted and work completely different from mixer to mixer as to make them almost useless, and the UI across the line is quite outdated and in need of a MAJOR overhaul.

If Pioneer can get the same crash-proof stability that Serato has made a living off of, they stand to take major market share from Serato. Hopefully Serato sees the writing on the wall and gets back to innovating.

I do use Flip - its a neat feature... :-) But on the other hand I don't know anyone who uses FX :-D

what are you looking for? better time stretch, flip, efx are all more useful in sdj than ssl plus implementation of beat jump, more cue points, sync all seem like upgrades.

I think the very strong side of the Pio's app will be its Recordboxish library and tag system - really one of the aspects where the Serato is lacking....

Looking for bug fixes & stability!
Because of SDJ I started using Rekordbox and can't wait for the new version to completely switch to it!

What exactly does it do.



i just have never had any probs and i know you've well documented yours but i havent had any problems with my srt 900 or sl3 box. i wish i knew what i was doing right, id sell it for 9.99 and make some $$ cuz i know a lot of people have had problems.

just wondering, but if you use a mac how often do you verify/repair permissions. dont know if that even helps but i do it quite frequently because of the file i add and delete etc and its the only thing i know that might be keeping my library in line.

even in 12.2 itunes i havent had any probs.

I'm managing my Mac pretty well, I'm an ex Apple employee and do even know more then a regular user regarding OS X.
I've encountered a lot of non critical bugs, that I reported, but they didn't got fixed even.
For me Serato doesn't invest any time in bugs, they try to develop products that brings them cash and that's it. Using the controller market they stopped to be pro, but concentrated on selling stuff to wanna be DJs so they could gain more profit.
But it's payback time now! I'm the first person to drop completely Serato and jump completely to Rekordbox when possible. I managed some time ago that the 3 clubs where I'm resident, sold the Rane mixers and replaced them with the old or newer Pioneers again. Actually I'm pretty proud about that, Serato gives a shit about 5 mixers, but I can recommend to everyone doing so, seems that there is no other way. Also I'm proud stopping everyone from buying newer SL boxes, so they stick to SSL and SL1. Playing Hip Hop, it sucks not to use Vinyl, but even in some occasions I managed to get the CDJs replacing them, so Rekordbox can be used instead of Serato. Just special gigs, where I can't bring all the equipment, I've to use Serato with a controller, for now, but it will soon change thanks to Pioneer!
I already mentioned it, it's time to leave the sinking ship!

And yeah, you wouldn't believe how many people from this forum contacted me via my FB fanpage sharing the experience!

Make some space in your shelve, next to Final Scratch and put your Serato Products next to it ;)

Cheers

I seriously doubt this and really i dont know why it would be such a point of pride. lots of people use rekord box an ssl/sdj/traktor. or switch between formats.

the sl 3 always worked with ssl and sdj for me. ever try an 900 srt with sdj?

if you play hip hop why not just stick with ssl? its fine.

I guarantee at some point you will encounter the same problems with rekordbox that you will with any other software at some point down the line.

I had my share of issues with SDJ but i feel like for the most part they have been fixed to the extent that i play twice a week with turntables one night and srt 900, and once a week with cdj 2000s, hid and SDJ and not had any problems. I also have taken out a vci 380 or use my srt 900 with a variety of controllers and not had any problems.

i still think you guys are doing something wrong, because i know next to nothing about programming or computers in general and i have had no major problems or crashes. but maybe im lucky.

The problem that I see is that Serato has allowed themselves to become totally fragmented depending on what hardware the user chooses. Rane's lack of continuity between mixers makes it difficult to work between them in a nightclub setting, while Pioneer has really laser focused their workflows to be very similar while adding bits of usefulness up the product line. Denon / Akai / Numark and the other Serato hardware partners hardly share any design language, so that each one requires a completely different workflow.

Some see this as an advantage - you can pick the one that works best for you. I see it as a fragmented disadvantage, not unlike the difference between iOS and Android. Pioneer makes great hardware, and they are about to come full circle with software as well. Serato just makes the software, and licenses it to just about anybody, from the barely-entry level controller makers to the high end professional products. Which means they are responsible for making sure that this huge disjointed product line-up all remains compatible. You tell me which is a better strategy... Pioneer making their own software cements them as the Apple in this story.

I can jump on any Pioneer mixer or controller and immediately know the workflow, hit stuff without looking for it, and have time to be creative instead of relearning the hardware each night. As a 4-5 night per week club DJ, having to play on the assorted Rane mixers that are out there (57, 61, 62, and 57MK2 currently in the clubs I'm at) is a freaking nightmare. Each mixer requires a different workflow. For a long time I really didn't care for Pioneer mixers, but now that I have some experience in using their controllers, I think that their ability to laser focus their design language has them in a much better position going forward.

Just my thoughts. Yours?

This is actually a very good point. However because the most of us DJs are individualist, Serato's product and the controllers they support will always be a more attractive solution. People love variety. That's why the Android market is so successful.

i can see what your saying. i guess i just circumvented all that and went pioneer djm 900 srt, because i never see rane mixers, only Pioneer in my area, except for a few here and there.

I felt the same way about pioneer mixers but like you said, once you get used to a mixer its hard to keep switching every nite or practice at home. After my ttm 57 i went 800 and still wanted a smaller mixer and went z2, which was actually nice, but like i said, i was gonna have to bring it every nite or just get to like the pioneers, so i went with the SRT.

i really like the SRT but i thought about switching, but i hear about the issues with rane mixers and i just dont even wanna try. Im sure many people are happy with it, but the SRT feels bullet proof and always comes in handy with extra djs and id rather have it over the NXS because of the faders(i love compared to nxs,some people hate em) and that it is designed with sdj in mind.

LIke remy said i have too much invested in serato time wise to switch over til rekord buddy 2.0 comes out(if that ever happens).

When pioneer came out with turntables and the controller thats for rekord box, i did say in a post on here, the writing could be on the wall for serato, although it may take 5-10 years that pioneer could take over the game. SInce serato does not make hardware and has decided to support every controller under the sun (i'll cosign that it seems like a terrible idea, we could be wrong), and pioneer and sdj both make hardware it seems like that would give them an advantage.

IMO pioneer, who is clearly the biggest cap player in the market, has the advantage. I will assume that while they may do some collabs with traktor or pioneer, but at some point they will close the loop and only push their products. At least native inst has their own products to push and have endorsed.

If i had to guess out of the 3 players in the market, serato would be the one to go down. Its the nature of the closed system as well. at least with traktor you can plug into pretty much any soundcard. Serato's insistance on only using their sound cards or licenses. Even with my 900 srt i can still use traktor in non dvs mode.

i always keep my options open and have traktor/rekordbox/ssl&sdj on my computer. Even mix vibes and djay pro are putting out solid products with options that dont seem to be on the horizon with serato. Mix vibes had soundcloud integration that i thought was cool, but even djay pro is now doing streaming with spotify, dvs and video.

www.algoriddim.com

i still think SDJ has made some strides, but it also maybe too little too late. Technology is so hard to predict that who knows, this pioneer rekord box thing could be buggy as hell and be a total flop. or it maybe serato with pioneer and take over. only time will tell

Have you guys seen this? maybe this thing will be using the new Rekordbox software.

youtu.be

oh yeah, serato just put it on fb. looks like a 909 replacement, but if serato put it up, prob for serato.

I'll just leave this here.
djworx.com

That link is broken

^ wonder why lol

This one isn't... hopefully.

djworx.com

Does this mean anyone owns pioneer ddj's sx or sz would be able use rekordbox when the new software gets release??
There is a bata you can sign up for to test it out.
I fill a form in hopefully they might send me the link or not

The pio ddj sx and sz was made for SDJ not Rekordbox.

Well when I sign up for bata for the new rekordbox software it give me a list what ddj or cdj you had sx and sz was on the list
So clearly they want them to work check out urself rekordbox.com

Clearly they just want to know more about who they are considering to allow into the beta, no?

Let's put it this way. IF this will work with current gear expect to pay for the software. IF this will work with future gear only expect the software for free.

Check out this post from Pulse at the Pio DJ forum >>> forums.pioneerdj.com
That post was made a year ago so who knows, maybe Pio has done an about face on this.

Yeah ago dude things have changed since then a new company has bought pioneer dj you not seen the video rekordbox is going be fully dj software for controllers.
All I'm going to say now is watch this space for the future peace........

"Was made" as in the past. All the buttons shown on the videos line up with their existing controller line. I will be amazed if the new Rekordbox software is not compatible with their existing hardware.

^I hope you're right man. That would give me renewed interest in the SZ.

Don't get me wrong I hope so too. Let's be honest though Pioneer and Serato are partners and within this partnership there were certain devices developed (SX/SZ, etc) for Serato. I am not sure how they would feel if Pioneer basically swept these devices right back from them.

Does not help that a Pioneer employee said "The SX and SZ are designed as Serato controllers and are not, nor will they ever be, rekordbox compatible devices. Sorry!" and furthermore I am assuming Pioneer will go with what they know which is the Ethernet connection as it just works. The SX & SZ do not have this connection. All just speculation but IMO it is proper speculation.

^Agreed. I'm sure there are some legalities centered around that partnership, else Serato would last as a business ;-)

^would not

Well both VDJ and Traktor can use the SX/SZ so what would be the difference?

These companies have to get the midi protocol from somewhere and from what I know that straight from the company along with a unit so they can test said mapping. Once its all do.e the unit gets sent back and the mapping released.

I don't really think Serato has any say in the deal unless it was in a contract which I don't think goes that deep because again look at the NV. That was supposed to be strictly Serato and we all know how that turned out........ The same goes for the Reloop 8000's. I could go on but you get my point.

Like Serato dropped Rane, Pioneer will drop Serato eventually.
Now you got Serato certified Pioneer stuff, which for sure will work with the Rekordbox (I guess even free) Software. The end result is - Pioneer paying Serato less fees for licenses, because they will eventually don't need Serato anymore nor certificates to sell their hardware. Meanwhile Serato users will switch to Rekordbox... So double loss for Serato, and Pioneer has done a tight marketing of their products in the end!

Your attitude towards Serato makes me less prone to take anything you say seriously TBH. Not trying to be mean but just stating it is hard to take it as anything but more hate toward Serato full knowing how biased you are against them. Hope that makes sense.



I thought of this as well and I am wondering if ethics comes into play here. If Pioneer is smart IMO they should tread lightly here until they 100% know this will even be a success. Let's remember they are 0 for 1 in the DJ app business. This is a second attempt. That being said they should probably make sure their current endeavors are still intact in case this does not catch which TBH is highly probable. Too many people trust Serato & Traktor day in and day out. No offense to VDJ (@ the SOUNDINSURGENT I do NOT hate them anymore remember LOL) I just feel it is a different market of DJ's this is attracting.

You are also making some points which strike against VDJ IMO. Let us not pretend anyone who knew about what was going on was not like ???"uhhhhhh shots fired"??? as it seems there is simply no limit to what VDJ won't do. It really gives me the feeling of "Get your OWN toys!!" LOL. Still impressive they did it though. But then again Traktor supportes Rane mixers. VDJ supports............. everything. TBH exclusiveness exists pretty much only at Serato it seems.

Lastly Ethernet. We seem to keep avoiding this point. The other devices simply do not have it and TBH I have a feeling it is what is directly contributing to the stability within the Rekordbox ecosystem. IF Rekordbox goes with what it is ALREADY using then I am thinking only the gear with the proper port/s will be supported, no?


Just to be clear I am FULLY hopeful that Rekordbox is a success. This in no way means the end for Serato in any way though. Coming from a Pioneer fan I am man enough to admit that there is a huge amount of DJ's who despise Pioneer. Furthermore Rane has its own loyal fan base as well. I will have the gear necessary to run Rekordbox DJ whether current SDJ gear is supported or not so trust I am just trying to be as realistic as possible.


Time will tell though...............

Actually it's extreme disappointment, not hate.
I owned Traktor too, and in the end I chose Serato because of SSL and solid rock working.
Now I have to chose again between Serato and Pioneer and guess what?
For me, a Software company not able to fix bugs for nearly a year, not able to correct small bugs like the iTunes bug, is just not any more a serious company.

While I can appreciate your position (and I really do) it comes across as something else. Just by the thread drops alone it seems as if you had some sort of vendetta against them. This is your prerogative and it seems you have your reasons but I ask one thing of you out of fairness. Failing to acknowledge there are plenty running SDJ with no issues would be as unfair as failing to acknowledge there are those who in fact do suffer some issues. Some of your comments seem to not leave any room for the individuals who are running everything as intended that's all. I in no way am attempting to censor you and I absolutely feel you are bringing this to the right place. I suppose it is just timing and placement. I am just trying to be constructive is all. To the point that I have followed your (not stalking kind of followed but enough to remember) posts and I used to find some substance as well as direction. The past few months it seemingly turned to something else. Again 100% your prerogative but I am one of those who bow out the second it goes that way and I am wondering if "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" applies here.

BTW Thanks for keeping this civil and I promise it is with the best intentions. Obviously ideal world everything works for everyone and we never had to have these conversations but that is unrealistic.

Dave you kinda nailed it! (Y)

Cheers

don't you think rekord box(any software) could have similar bugs at some point in development?

They could but in BleedR's defense the Rekordbox ecosystem thus far is relatively problem free. It works similar but different in key parts. The song loads entirely to the player and even if the player connection faults the song continues to play and even in the rare occasion the problem persists there is an emergency loop feature that keeps music going.

It is due to the success of the current behavior that I feel they may continue to use the same technology for Rekordbox DJ thus possibly eliminating the chance of current gear (acking ethernet) to be supported.

Bottom line YES Rekordbox still has its problems but they are rarely performance debilitating issues. More often it is issues with file support, customization & connection issues that once solved are solved for good. On the contrary BleedR is also correct that the common (or not so common) bug is anything but rare here at Serato. VERY hard to deny that.

true, sdj was a disaster until 1.6ish for me, and really 1.74.

its kinda like obama care, it works for some very well, sorta screws some, and for other its just a letdown.

im not gonna lie, i love the gui, it looks great, and nxs cdjs and mixers are a great combo. something about having a laptop just feels comforting more than 2 usb drives. or a computer and usb drives.

even though its not the softwares fault, ive heard more than a few people at the flash drive stage have issues, im sure due to user error, but still issues here and there. my computer has been so solid over the past 8.5 years i have a great trust in it. i think ive had 3 live crashes over about 1500 gigs. 1 was due to the comp getting old and logic board issue, 2 were due to bad files. :knocks on wood:

Watchwww.youtube.com

is anyone else kind of spooked that the new rekordbox very, erm, like Serato itself?

8 cue points, sampler layout with 4 banks and channel/master assignments, dual single/multi FX banks with channel assignments, slicer, beat jump, record, the little doodlidoo of buttons that lets you select FX/Rec/Sampler (with new additions "CFX" and "Mixer"), and the overall color scheme too.

Is this Serato DJ 2.0? Are Serato and Pioneer merging? If anything, this is going to be a whole new level for anyone that owns a Pioneer controlller :P

I think this has more to do with how well Pioneer has focused their controller line and how the hardware lines up with the software. This is why I would be happy to bet that any new software they put out will be back-compatible with their DDJ-SR/SX/SZ line. They have refined their design language in their controllers very well. They are just making it easier for a SDJ user to jump over to Rekordbox.

Mike Czech, thanks for that video.

TBH, there're so many minute interface details that look like only slightly re-drawn re-color-coded IU elements in Serato that I wonder if there's more to this developing story in terms of the Serato<=>Pioneer relationship.

This reminds me of the IU copyright battles between Apple and Samsung, and earlier still between Apple OS and MS Windows back in the 90s.

So, could it be shameful IU copying on Pio's side, or could it be that Pioneer had Serato design this new rekordbox, much like MixVibes did for them for the initial version of rekordbox? Hmmm....

Sorry, I should have credited AlxRyde for the video.

See here.....

djworx.com

The good news is I heard Rekordbox WILL in fact work with current controllers. Not sure which one's specifically but either way this is great news that I didn't expect at all. As the DJWorx article hinted it is on display in AC currently.

The plot thickens.

Watchwww.youtube.com

^Uhhh! That reeeaaaalllllyyy looks a lot like SDJ. Not identical but very similar. :-|

Is it me, or was Serato not at the DJ Expo? The Beta of RKB look incredible.

looks promising... but i would hold out awhile...the teaser video was nice... time for some high paid dj's to promote it

but think about pioneers mind set .... home setup rb4 with controller then go to the club and rock the usb sticks or the laptop.. nice eco system

Actually you can prepare everything on the go with your tablet or phone too.
Syncs all fine, you can even use them as playback instead of an USB stick 🙌

Rekordbox for iOS is a whole other mess right now. I didn't even think so personally but between what the omitted in Rekordbox for iOS 2.0 from 1.X to the landscape mode not being proper to it just not working on older devices it is a real mess over there.

I was actually a big fan of it until the new change. They added dual deck and traded it for shitty performance TBH. THIS I can vouch for personally.

This bothers me because Pioneer is notorious for not listening to their customer base. There is a real disconnect with the hardware to software. While Rekordbox was a success IMO I think it was because it was hardware based from top to bottom. Now they are moving to software based and we have already seen them fail here years ago.

HUGE potential here I just hope the LISTEN to their customer base. Thus far I can say they certainly are not. It's tough enough to even get a reply let alone a real answer.

I'm still trying to figure out why Pioneer is doing this. They have good software partners in Serato.

What I envision is a move to the closed systems seen in the likes of Apple and NI where a manufacturer controls both hardware and software. One of the things I like about the Serato universe is that I have a buffet of options when it comes to hardware and software.

I played a gig last night where another of the DJs on the bill left his power supply for his DDJ-SX. We hopped on the Wi-Fi, got the driver for the DJM-850 mixer, installed it, plugged my laptop and fired up SDJ. A few prompts later we were ready to roll, me using the native soundcard in the mixer, him using his mac and my SL3 box.

Good luck doing that with any other software platform ATM.

I have Traktor, Recordbox, SSL and SDJ and I play in a LOT of different environments, from small bars to festivals to battles and the thing that impresses me about Serato research is that this small company has been able to make a product that flat out works. Traktor in its early days was an unstable disaster, but it eventually matured into a very strong product that is the Pepsi to Serato's Coke in digital DJing.

I have no doubt that Pioneer will eventually get Rekordbox DJ right, Question is, will it be different enough to warrant people making the switch?

That doesn't make sense to me. I don't think BleedR's posting was full of hate or anything close. It's just his dark vision of the future. And I can understand where he is coming from. To me it looks like the same.

There is a reason why Pioneer is dancing with Serato. That's to get their customers. Which is us. And they're trying really hard and doing a good job too from what I can see.

. I beg to differ with this statement. Its has been almost two years and there are still bugs with Serato DJ. They keep adding crap and do not fix the problems and bugs. Its on both platforms with Mac or PC. Time for a different company to take Serato through the mud. Time to wake up Serato.

Please, when you find this company who sells this wonderful digital software that has no bugs, no issues, never needs to be updated. Please come back and let us know who they are.

I would have hoped you would have read just a little of the full discussion prior to jumping in the middle of it. This post is not "hateful" in any way IMO which is why I even defended his position in a later post but I was pointing out that even when a post makes sense it becomes a guessing game as to whether it is anything more than the usual which in the end does seem genuine and well thought out anyways.

BTW not trying to jump down your throat just meaning it may be easier to read the messages following to better grasp what I was trying to say.

now if pioneers software works how much of the dj's have been using serato will up and leave

i bet some will but most will stay.

pioneers software will take years before it will get folks to change.


your serato library took years to make with cue points, loops, labeling its not like all that metadata will transfer over... you will need a program like Rekord Buddy...but to me i dont have the time for it.

i will try the new pioneer software when it comes out...but it doesnt do video so im not going to change over

They are hovering over the idea of Video but even with that this mass migration will not be happening IMO. Not anymore than with the original Rekordbox. While some love the idea of the file system library I have come to love the Serato style of things. I use multiple machines hence prefer the ability to take my externals to the next laptop and it's like I was using it the whole time. Besides Damien's Rekord Buddy will create the ability to jump between apps with ease.

Let's also remember Pioneer is developing RKB for Pioneer hardware. Serato's software is partnered with numerous companies and they were doing fine before Pioneer came along. So I think they will be ok once Full Fledge RKB is launched.

This is true. But if Serato were to lose Pioneer as a partner, it would definitely put a dent in their market share. That's for sure!!

But, I still don't think that Pioneer would drop Serato completely. If anything Pioneer will want to dominate the entire field. Regardless of whichever platform you choose to adopt, a Pioneer product will be used to facilitate it.

I think pioneer controllers etc will be fully compatible with serato.

wouldnt the business move to be support them for a maybe 2 years while the software works out bugs and gains traction and then just quit partnering with serato? i hate to sound pessimistic and surely serato knows more about this than we do, but i dont see them stopping at what appears to be basically a hardware market dominance (of course other companies exist, but for high end mixers, cdjs, and controllers they are in the top spot or at least in top 1-2 in market share), and not do the same with software.

if ever pioneer mixer, controller or cdj, comes with bundled software ie RB and serato costs money to license or have some sort of purchase to use, wouldnt that steer many into using RB?

the only real thing that could threaten RB is a potentially buggy software, which isnt out of the question, as we've seen in the past with traktor and sdj.

i guess time will tell.

HMMMMM how many versions did Serato DJ have to go before a large library was able to load without Crashing? RKB worked from day one.

RKB 3.3 is having bugs right now.... taking forever to scan an imported file... and when transfered to usb sometimes the song is there and not


it could be my xdj-1000 ...

if it is my xdj-1000 then pioneer need to fix it..

so like i said nobody is going to jump into RB4 full boat...
bugs bugs bugs will happen

Rekordbox (The software) has quite a few bugs and issues of it's own. When people speak of the rock solid stability of Rekordbox they are speaking of the USB/SD card setup. Correct me if I am wrong but this is NOTHING to brag about. There is nothing to it. If you are the type of DJ who utilizes set playlists and such then sure this is the answer. For any DJ who needs a sizable library and the need to cater to the unexpected then the laptop is still (and will always be IMO) the best tool and THIS is where the issues are still present just like SDJ & Traktor.


The good thing about Rekordbox though is that when an issue does arise there are safeguards that prevent you from being hung out to dry. A restart/reset will still be required in most cases but you decide when that is.

Serato has been releasing .dot updates for quite a while now and been awfully quiet, definitely something big has/is keeping them busy besides adding support for new controllers :)

The pioneer software is almost like SDJ with a skin, can't believe is not a joint collab.

W're not talking about the current RKB. That's not a full DVS app solution. Let's delay judgement until they actually release the full fledge version to the public. Everything else is pure speculation.

I was able to find a large library workaround but to your point, Rekordbox to date has not been a full digital dj solution, so color me not impressed.

Besides as other people have pointed out, there is NO WAY i'm redoing cue points, loops, flips and all the other library work I've done in SSL and DJ. Not for the next new shiny thing.

There will have to be a much more compelling reason to make the switch.

Like has been mentioned Rekordbuddy will bring these things over at the touch of a button.

Obviously it wont Flips as thats a serato only thing.

Not sure if rekordbuddy converts Serato crates to Rekordbox Playlists.

I guess we need to wait and see but if this software can convert everythhing for you it's nice ti give it a try or even switch completely.

So you pay for record buddy....is rekordbox dj free I would hope so.... another expense... nope still not going to do it...


Now if your a new to the dj scene and have no software preference then rekordbox dj will have a chance... learn rekordbox early then upgrade with familiar software as you mature.. pioneer thoughts are in the right place

You guys are all assuming that Pioneer wouldn't work to make the metadata importable... I would think there is a big incentive for them to do something like that.

I feel like they have MUCH more on their plate and won't be worrying about this just yet. Furthermore Rekord Buddy makes your library universal so it can be used with any app. To me this is worth a pretty penny so an additional expense yes but VERY worth it. Plus as a Rekord Buddy 1.x customer you get that discount LOL. Actually I already do have my library synced with Serato, Traktor and Rekordbox with the use of Rekord Buddy 1.x and Serato database importer tool. This takes a little more time so again it will be worth it to me to move to 2.0.

Mike Czech +1
I have a sinking feeling that Serato data could be importable, if not natively readable by Rekordbox. Wouldn't make sense for them to have all that Serato support beforehand, everyone with a Pioneer controller now probably has a Serato library setup.

I quite agree with you, Pioneer DJ was able to put out a update to RekordBox in about i week to take care of the iTunes issue. Now tell me.

Rkb has my vote

I'll hold my vote until the new RKB comes out and prove to be a good dvs solution.

While hoping for the best I would NEVER count on anything until it has proven to be effective. Early adopter always yet keeping my options open while maintaining backups for my backups.

Since I got some pioneer gear... I'll give it whirl... but I haven't see anything steer me away from.. serato... just my opinion. ..

djtechtools.com

so this DDJ-RX and DDJ-RZ thing....seems like Pioneer just pulled a fast on our guys Serato over here.

the library integration is an immediate plus, because now you don't need a >$1000 setup to use rekordbox (i.e. CDJs or a XDJ setup). You just need a Pioneer supported controller; even the DDJ-SB will integrate now and (in theory) allow you to seamlessly transfer over to CDJs at the club.

Did I saw a DVS option in the promo video?? :-)

Yes you can find everything here :
rekordbox.com

Release in october 2015 ... 139 € ... DVS and fx packs later ...

And free trial for one month to test ... Ok it's my last post :)

Quite simply , I think pioneer are gonna buy serato out ! I mean why start a brand new rekord box team when you can just own your no 1 collaborators dominance in the software field. Like you all say. It looks just like serato DJ !!! I've been thinking this for a couple months.
My only gripe would be less rane love because pioneer mixers sound terrible.

Hmmm I don't think I will even give it a chance unless it works with my sl3.
I am ok with paying for the software but I don't see any point in buying yet another soundcard only because different brand on the case as the internals are the same.....

The only thing that interests me on the Pio is their library management and tags... - this should be a huge heads up for Serato, that their library system is quite outdated and its the highest time to make it more robust..

Damnnnn
- SP16 sampler (x4 banks)
- Sequencer
- FLAC support !!!!
- Performance + library preparation (as backup)
- DVS + video !!!!!
- Etc...

I'm done, in 2016 king Serato will die dead, long life to Rekordbox !!!

PS: I'm not sure that software comes from Serato guys, I think it's more Mixvibes guys because the original rekorbox software comes from their team.

I hope that the new Rekordbox Dj software, will make Serato get their priorities right.
Simple requests, like day mode & re-mapping of native controller buttons & knobs.
People have literally been begging Serato for years now!! Yet.... Nothing!
I honestly believe Serato is still the better software, they just need to prioritise properly.
It seems like Pioneer stole most of the UI from Serato.
Seems like they're even gonna do upgrade packages for FX & DVS (just like Serato).
I love the split-screen idea of the new Rekordbox Dj software.....
Serato u can steal this idea, it'll be totally justified - Lol!!
Anyway, I think it's time for Serato to step it up,
or u gonna loose a big portion of your revenue to Pioneer.

Forgot to mention:
Rekordbox Dj claims......."Industry's lowest latency"
That's a very big statement. Anyone from Serato want to comment on this?

I think there will be a lot of people jumping ship, and not just from Serato.

There has been no mention of mixers yet, it would be disappointing if the DVS was released just as an add on for controllers. Interesting to see how this develops...

They'll probably open it to all Pio mixers capable of DVS first, then gradually add others.
I wonder what dvs signal they plan to use. Probably support the most popular 2 / 3, then release their own 'incredible beyond belief' signal at a ridiculous price!

The usb equipped DJM's will be definitely supported....

ok buy this program for $150 be an early adoptor and have bugs like every rekord box unit pioneer ever made... sound like a good jump for me....heheh

ill wait around maybe a year after this is out.. ole EL Captian is released and windows 10

those 2 new os are comming out... and a software release for rekordbox in october hmm

CRASH

are we sure serato didnt do this? i thought mixvibes was gone and dj worx kinda speculated on that? or ..

Watchwww.youtube.com => Rekordbox powered by mixvibes

That is not even close to a current version and that video was made in 2010. Rekordbox USED to be powered by Mixvibes. This is no longer. They even took the name off the GUI of the current version's. Easiest way to tell is by the Key algorithm which no longer matches Mixvibes and it used to. Mixvibes uses Keyfinder www.ibrahimshaath.co.uk algorithm if I am not mistaken BTW.

it is 2015 my friend.

This isn't anything developed by Serato just to clear this up!

sam.

well then, sam, you are in trouble.

Well Samuel S
I don't think that was a smart answer, of Mr Goodkat ,and when serato dj 1.8 , come out Rekordbox will get put back in the box where it came from!!!!!!

Gotta love premature ejaculation. <smirk>

I don't know man, they might just be in trouble. Rekordbox DJ is pretty strong "on paper". The mere fact that it has a Sequencer is pretty dope......that feature alone sets them apart from the rest of the pack.

will pioneer implement it right...


everything pioneer released had bugs from day one. look at the first rekordbox unit its sucked alot of firmware updates

look at the nexus cdj's bugs when it first came out

they havent fixed the bug in the cdj 850 waveform no showing up

that rx1 has a bug...

will have to see but i think there will be a few bumps in the road for this new software

Oh, I don't doubt it. But so does Serato, and Traktor, and Mixvibes, and VDJ......I mean, they all have issues that need ironed out when releasing new updates. The days of me being an early adopter/beta tester are over. I'm not saying that I am going to rush out and get this as soon as it's released, but it certainly has piqued my interest.

I've.been scratching my head on why pioneer haven't put screens on their controllers. But it's obvious. They'll do that on the next release, in about 12 months

They're all pretty strong on paper...


So it actually sounds like you agree with my previous comment.


A smart DJ learn to develop penis control when it comes to new DJ products. ;-)
Hey I'll be the first to admit that I jumped on a new product and regretted that decision. The Numark CDX comes to mind. That was an extremely premature purchase on my part. But I've gotten a lot a smarter over the years as I've developed that penis control I was talking about.

By the way, I want apologize to any female forum members I may have offended with my penis comments. :-| But believe me if you had one you'd know where I was coming from. :-)

look at the big picture and the long term. look at the direction pioneer is going. look at the direction that serato is going.

im not saying RB is gonna take over the day it drops, but over the next few years it will take the majority of market share unless its a total buggy mess, which is doubtful.

even traktor has the advantage of native products and the ability to be functional with any soundcard.

when and if Pioneer wants to crush serato it would be quite easy. all they have to do is not make their products functional with serato, outside of using a serato box.

controllers are the future, mixers with soundcards are the future. now does that mean serato has to go out of business? not necessarily, but it will be tough.

dont ever doubt the order of nature. the big fish always eats the little fish.

Agree that the inconsistency in Rane's mixer design makes you have to constantly retrain your workflow. Other then that; Rane's mixer's are top quality.

Serato's Love affair with Apple is their undoing. You will not need or require an apple pc/laptop to run rekordbox, wont have suttle differences between a pc and mac that develop into full blown quality problems pc users must constantly deal with. Serato, let's be honest, your days are numbered.

Try fixing the video issues with pc users, and I might come back, maybe, but doubtful. Ive upgraded every pack, cruised the forums weekly, sat quietly and hoped that the pc users would get more attention, welp, HELLO Rekordbox.

Been beta testing Rekordbox for a few months, not only is my latency better, but the sound quality is huge. tsk tsk tsk Serato.

Everything works better on Apple, even Traktor. Stop huffing glue.

CDJs and the derivatives existed before laptop DJing and will get a shot in the arm if PIO does this right, otherwise you are comparing two very distinctly different styles of DJing.

I, for one, will be hard pressed to give up a keyboard to search my library effectively due to its size. But hey, if I preplanned/picked a set and brought only 100 tracks with me and all it took was a scroll up or down to find them I'd already just use USB sticks with CDJs.

Don't insult me or the other pc users in this discussion. Im sick of people like you and your superior Apple fanboi shit. I don't huff glue, and I pity your low education response.

Hi guys, I think it will be nice to remember that every one have the rights to buy and use what is right for them, I use Apple, why because I had a lot of bad experience with windows,so at home I use Apple only, but on my job I use Windows, and it work with no problem, I think it's people Preference . So let us help one another , no Insult.

Peace Out!!!!!!!

LOL!

cool, emailed support :) enjoy the consequences. Oh, and you and Cait look good as a couple.

what was I thinking! That's probably a badge of honor for you.

Wow troll much? I'd hate to deal with you real life if you can't handle opinions other than your own. That's BAMA for ya!

And as for veiled threats, go take a long walk off a short cliff if you can't handle a conversation like an adult.

LOL!!

I have some Apple-centered questions about this new rekordbox 4.0, particularly the new, performance-oriented rekordbox dj. My questions have implications for Serato, too, so I'll post them here:

(1) Is rekordbox dj capable of taking full advantage of the Retina Display on a MacBook Pro?

— On a side note, two of its curious features are that it shows a full-song waveform in the library list and that you can split it off into two screens, with one dedicated to just library browsing. The latter could be useful during track preparation if you have 2 screens in your studio.

(2) Is the software a 64-bit or 32-bit app?

— I've seen Serato reps say here that there're no plans for a 64-bit Serato. An argument can be made favoring the simpler computational model of 32-bit but I still wonder because, otherwise, why would Apple have redesigned its pro apps to be 64-bit, especially computationally-intensive apps like Logic Pro X and Final Cut Pro X?

(3) Does rekordbox dj rely for its processing power only on the main CPU, or does it also tap into the GPU for particular computational processes during performance?

— This is related to the previous question. Modern, computationally-intense apps have been tapping into the GPU for additional processing power for quite a while now.


All this might sound too geeky to some of us, but these issues have real-world implications on performance, feature set and usability.

For comparison, notice how Algoriddim describes its new djay Pro app: "Built exclusively for OS X, djay Pro takes full advantage of the desktop’s computing power including 64-bit processing, multi-core track analysis, support for Retina and 5K displays, graphics rendering at 60 frames per second, and pristine sound quality."

Hmmm... Makes me wonder about rekordbox dj, though it might be somewhat constrained due to its cross-platform compatibility.

64-bit apps always need updates on the hardware side (firmware). As Apple controls all hardware an update can always include the required firmware updates. With OS updates they can actually change parts of the kernel so it's "easy" for them to go from 32 to 64-bit.

Serato can't do that as the firmware of each controller is made by their manufacturers.
So Serato would have to chose between three possibilities:
1. Create two different versions of SDJ and it's plugins
2. Create very complex versions that support both 32 and 64-bit drivers
3. Stop supporting many hardware that are not being updated by their manufacturers

The benefit of going to a 64-bit app is to utilize more than 4 GB of RAM. As long as the OS'es offer enough spare RAM and as long SDJ works with the RAM offered by the OS'es there is no problem with staying at a 32-bit app.

Grass is always greener... :)

Rekordbox DJ certainly looks like a nice package and I'll definitely try it out. The big question of course is stability though, especially since it's a 1.0 product.

Hopefully this encourages Serato to get moving on something dramatic (a 1.8 or 2.0 release even). Pie in the sky ideas, anyone? Here are mine:

- Do away with the "official hardware" model. Unlock Serato to be used with any sound card/device or standalone. Make it simple: Buy the app and use whatever hardware you want with it.

- More advanced MIDI mapping and remapping of native controllers.

- High resolution support and graphical performance upgrades (smoother waveforms).

- Way more library features (more tags, smart sub crates, suggestion engine, key analysis, etc)

- Overhaul the SP6. STEM support anyone?

Thanks, serkan, for your response. You point out something really important regarding DJing hardware firmware that I shouldn't have overlooked.

However, I wonder how Algoriddim is able to support now a lot of both old and current MIDI controllers, given that it's a 64-bit app.

If sersto didn't have to support so many other brands maybe they could concentrate on improvements

But if Serato only supported Rane, they would have a much smaller customer base.

True, but I'm talking about junk like Gemini and Hercules.

I play at home on a DDJ-SX2. But whenever I play out, it'salways CDJ-2000's and a DJM-900. Right now I maintain Serato DJ with it's library, and when I go out to play I select tracks, pull them through Rekordbox and export it to a USB drive.

For me personal, it's obvious to make the switch on october 1st. Smooth switching between home and party, everything from just 1 library. Pretty obvious choice.

If they made a proper midi mapping options, they could focus on just a few natively supported controllers but giving support to the rest of the controllers through the midi while not caring much about them....

Agreed, but it's too late now. There are way too many people that have purchased controllers with SeratoDj. And then..... how would it be decided which hardware is natively supported without upsetting the others?

This approach actually is one of the main reasons why people chose Serato over NI.
Including me.

This snippet is from the BPM show which is on throughout this weekend.

youtu.be

Only controllers supported at launch, DVS & Video support coming next year.

I also read on the Pioneer website that they intend to continue working with Serato, I guess they would say that though as the S9 is out in October. Now is the time for Serato to make improvements otherwise, this time next year, they will be standing in the shadow of Pioneer.

Entry level is where the money is. I had a scratchmaster which was definitely an upgrade to the Realistic and Pyramids I started with. Although DJ-Tech is the better choice these day's.

Got to wonder if Pioneer will charge for every major full digit upgrade.

How does the leasing model work? Is it lease to own, meaning once you've leased to the full amount the full product is yours or the amount you've spent on leasing the product will be deducted from a full version purchase. Just seems stupid that you could lease the thing forever and pay more then just buying the full product to begin with.

I saw the word lease tossed around quite a bit there yet it is the first time I am seeing it. It is a subscription not a lease. In other words no layaway plan here for Rekordbox DJ. And YES it is stupid to pay monthly unless you know for a FACT you will not be needing it anymore. I say use the free 30 day trial so you are not pissed by the early bugs as it will be free. Then subscribe for maybe a month or two to solidify your interest. Then purchase full. THIS is only if you can wait until December as the subscription is NOT available October 1st like the full version is. Whatever its $130 and an hour or two of using it will pay for itself right? No worries.

well said

I am SERATO 110% always, I will not change for any thing less than the BEST, and it's SERATO!!!!! lol.

I cannot believe that, sorry! recordbox 4 is so similar to sdj.

In my opinion pioneer has no manpower to do software like this. And for serato it is business to produce software and i think recordbox4 is a custom production... and pioneer is also paying serato to keep this save...

Id have to strongly disagree. Pioneer may or may not have this or that but what Pioneer does have is the revenue to instantly HAVE whatever it is they did or did not have.

If things were as simple as what we see then sure I'd say I think this as well. Under the hood though (where the magic really happens) is actually not all that similar at all to Serato.

No DVS till 2016, so no big rush. Besides If I try the S9 and don't like it. I'll just continue using Rane+Serato.

While 2016 is only 3 months after Rekordbox DJ is released publicly it is still not anything anyone needs to rush into. The success of the S9 should not influence your using Rekordbox DJ though as it is not even going to be supported by them.

Damn. All this talk about RB DJ is certainly getting me excited for it.

I don't mean to come across as a know-it-all and am only trying to help BTW. Sometimes my definitive words get mixed up as argumentative. I promise this is not the case :)

Dave - you're such a know it all!! ;)

Hah!

The success of the S9 has nothing to do with it. If I try it and it isn't for me. Then why delve into something I can't use. Unless Pioneer's DVS option includes an SL type device or let's me use a Rane directly.

As for the pricing I think any major release of RBDJ will cost an update fee. Otherwise it would make no sense at all to pay €10.99/month for the subscription.

seen the video of RB still not interested... but interested in the S9...since the ddj series of controllers are compatable with RB4 .... the s9 should work also.

Most likely it will. Probably an R9 rebrand with the sequencer function built in will be the product to debut the DVS solution. That or an SL like box is my guess.


If that's true, RBDJ would have to be rock solid and worry free for me to stop using Serato.

In looking back at this statement I really have no idea what it has to do with. I guess it was an assumption you were talking about Rekordbox DJ as that was what you were replying to.

Anywho
It would seem that most of the elements that would warrant a major release will just be a paid expansion but you may be right.
I think the S9 would fall in line with the criteria and support of other DJM devices as opposed to DDJ devices and judging from Pioneer's chart rekordbox.com the DDJ series controllers are NOT compatible with Rekordbox but ARE compatible with Rekordbox DJ. Just as the DJM series mixers ARE compatible with Rekordbox but NOT with Rekordbox DJ so I am not sure how accurate either of those are unless there is there something I am missing where they are saying otherwise? Is there some resource in which you know the DDJ controllers are compatible with RB4? Every product page for the DDJ controllers even says just Rekordbox DJ.

I just asked Pulse over at Pio in hopes he could shed some light on this.

Although as you guys already mentioned one would HOPE that they would add in the future anyways. I mean DVS with JUST controllers? I'm thinking not LOL.

my comment

your reply

Original comment

So what if you DO like the S9 THEN you WILL use Rekordbox? I mean this literally has nothing to do with what was said before it.

The way this sentence structure works:

No DVS till 2016, so no big rush. (Rekordbox is the topic and you are by default still on this topic when you say) Besides If I try the S9 and don't like it. I'll just continue using Rane+Serato.

Simply put there was no way to know you were deciding to change the subject without any indication.

This is not a big deal anyways JUST a misunderstanding and you genuinely seem like you are worried about it. In my explaining with sentence structures (LOL like we're in school again or something btw) and what not it almost seems like I am trying to insult you when I am merely trying to explain my angle is all. No worries I promise :)

Just a misunderstanding and I will apologize regardless of the how or why. Just excited for RBDJ. THAT much I know.

All good.

I'm assuming the S9 will be compatible with RBDJ since SDJ based Pioneer controller's are RBDJ ready.

"If" I do get an S9 and it is RBDJ compatible. Then yes.. I will try RBDJ.. but I still want to continue using the Rane. RBDJ has to have a solution to use both the S9 and the Rane (interface or directly) to even consider switching to RBDJ.

You actually are raising a whole new question which I did not wonder myself yet. Sound quality. Rane hardware just has that warm beautiful sound. Pioneer has features galore but I am curious how the sound will stack up. With so many claiming the "Serato Clone" status (not sure if I agree but I can see why) there will need to be some real differences to attract the loyal customers. If there is any ONE word I could use about Serato customers it would be loyal......................... at least this applies to the users of SSL.

I feel like they're leaving the DVS realm to Serato though, since they're well established with the community with their past Rane offerings. DVS will be an option as I see it, but I think it's aimed more for the community of new DJs that are learning on simpler controllers and want to move up to CDJs at a club system. They want the controller spectrum as I see it, focusing on beginniner-intermediate . It is now possible to start learning on a DDJ-WeGo3 using RBDJ, export your library to a USB stick, and go and plug into the Pioneer Nexus setup at the clubroom. This is a league of modularity that Serato can't match yet (unless the club happens to have a dedicated Serato computer setup or something).

edit:: addition to the DVS statement I made, they did release the S9 effectively at the same time as RBDJ, and there is no mention of support by RBDJ. The S9 right now is a purely Serato focused controller, and it is their true, flagship scratch mixer at the moment, which adds to why I feel like their giving way to Serato's DVS lineup.

Not sure about that. The Nexus gear is supported by Rekordbox DJ just as the Wego is. I can't see learning the superior software with the Wego then not using it with your CDJ's when it would literally be easier and more effective to just continue using Rekordbox DJ with the advanced gear. Less to learn and more power.
In what way do you see this any different that how Serato does things except for the fact that Serato has WAY more supported hardware and more developers to go along with it?

FTR above I am speaking of the software as a whole. The DVS aspect you may be right. We will have to see what happens there. I truly can't see them not supporting most of their DJM mixers though.

I was mentioning the WeGo assuming the user didn't have a CDJ setup and was just starting off; i.e. on the college campus that I'm hanging around, this seems like a very attractive alternative to Serato for most DJs; you would retain your <$1000 controller for practice and smaller gigs and house parties, whereas you would dump your Rekordbox library onto a USB stick if you got a gig with the local clubs. The compatibility with lesser controllers and high end CDJs allows a newbie to be able to learn on some cheaper gear and then be able to transition smoothly to a professional setup (as opposed to being the noob that shows up with a Mixtrack or something, god forbid).

I may have chosen words poorly when I more modular than Serato; Serato definitely has way more hardware support and plug-n-play enables a lot more usage with that. What I meant to say basically was that if you bought into a Pioneer controller now, you would basically have the option of not bringing out your controller and laptop in their entirety if the venue had a CDJ setup and you were willing to use those (just export to USB). With a Serato setup, you must bring your laptop and either your controller, an SL box, or purchase Club Kit (if you want to use CDJs on-site). Alternatively, if you can somehow work it out with another DJ already bringing a Serato laptop, you could just bring a USB drive with your Serato crates onboard.

Yeah I hear ya. Options are nice. Certainly the fact that you can use an SD card, a USB flash drive, external HDD, mobile device wired or wirelessly (iOS/Android) and even your laptop wired or wirelessly if using CDJ's tack on CD or DVD as well LOL.

In this sense the options are staggering.

Essentially what Rekordbox DJ offers is a Rekordbox solution to those DJ's who dont want to buy an expensive CDJ setup for at home but will be playing on it while in a club.

It's exactly why I'll be switching asap.

Just got word that the S9 will not work with RB4 nor will the XDJ-RX or RZ. They don't even have the necessary USB (input) connections. Furthermore apparently none of the DJM mixers will be added to Rekordbox DJ as they do not have any capabilities to control the software.

In short seemingly the chart I linked above rekordbox.com is the way it will be for the foreseeable future.

I'd be keen to see how the whole DVS thing (and RBDJ as a whole for that matter) pans out without DJM mixers being supported. My guess............. it won't be taken seriously until they are. Also does not seem like typical Pioneer as the way it stands I am wondering if there is even an advantage to using a DJM mixer with CDJ's running RBDJ over say a Rane mixer?

Get ready for some new DJMs to be released

Yeah right!! I'm smelling the same thing!! A new 4 channel RB supported S9, an XDJ-2000 along with a DDJ-SP2.............. One can hope!

That chart will probably be updated when DVS officially releases. Would be suicide not to support current and soon to be DJM's.

They're due a new DJM. But yeah they need the software to get traction first

I don't get it - don't these mixers offer midi & HID?

Yeah they plus a few have soundcards builtin so I'm not sure where Dave got his info from cause it makes no sense to me......

@Dave, care to explain??

Need an edit button, ugh!!

*Yes every mixer from the 700 and up have midi capibilites......

To add in the list of supported mixers I still didn't see my beloved DJM T1 in the list and that makes me sad 😒

I imagine they'll support every Pioneer product they can, provided it's technically possible to do so. Right now it seems like they wanted to get the software out there and just focus on MIDI (controllers) and HID (CDJs) rather than DVS. DVS is on their roadmap though and apparently it's coming next year, at that point I imagine they'll add DJM support cause why not?

Perhaps it's Pioneer just being greedy & trying to encourage people to buy new gear.
On the function type support list, it clearly shows the DDJ-RX capable of beat effect time adjust, but the DDJ-SX/2 isn't. Just because the SX only has a single button (tap) doesn't mean they can't map it differently. Pioneer are trying to justify the purchase of their new controllers (and possibly newer mixers) by making certain functions unavailable to older units.

Here is the link forums.pioneerdj.com

Yeah, sorry, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.

I read the answer on the forum a bit differently.

Thanks for the link Devon,
I take from that link, the reasoning is that although the mixers do have midi, those midi capabilities have been deisgned to control the mixer aspect of dj software & not the decks.
Which actually does make a lot of sense.

Well that's obvious that a mixer can't control the decks, I don't think anyone was thinking it would control the decks....

I was,
certain basic functions 'could' be mapped & together using the keyboard & trackpad
it would be quite sufficient for some people to use.

Wouldn't adding an SP2 (RP2) to the DJM's fix all that?

The mixer doesn't need to control the software! We only need to be able to route the sound which I'm sure they already have in place.

Not supporting the current mixers makes ABSOLUTLY no sense and neither does what you guys are saying.

On the Digitaldj (I think that was the site) it Has a list of pretty much all the DJM series mixers will be supported from the jump.......

Then how do you plan on controlling the decks?

With my cdj 850's in midi/hid mode......

I was just reading what was said.

"The DDJ-RZ and DDJ-RX will only function with rekordbox DJ as they do not have USB ports to operate as stand-alone units like the XDJ-RX."

I translate this as neither the RZ or the RX will support Rekordbox 4.0 because they don't have the necessary USB port. I am assuming the S9 will not either as it lacks the same port.
Maybe up for interpretation but this seems pretty straight forward to me.

"DJMs have not been introduced to the lineup as they have no function for controlling the software players."
Seems even more straight forward to me. Again I can't see this sticking but I certainly do not find this confusing in any way.

The linked chart also supports both these so I see no reason to try and decipher the code here but hey..................

As always I am open for some links showing otherwise. FFS I would welcome it as I certainly DO hope some of my other gear is supported LOL.
There is simply no other way to say it. Thedigitaldj was wrong. Do you have the link anyways? I am not sure if you are confusing Rekordbox 4.0 which will be released on the same day as Rekordbox DJ.

Think they meant that RZ and RX don't work because It's hardware that needs software to work properly. Where as the XDJ-RX is hardware that can function without software.


I took that as, "we currently can't announce anything about DVS." I could be wrong?

This is also correct but the fact that they lack the necessary USB port in order to function in this manner still stands.

Sounds awfully similar to me.

In short we are on the same page :)

Dear geosh you guys are right, they ARE due for a new flagship DJM to replace the 900 and 2000s. It's been too long. Scared and excited for what Pio has dreamt up thus far.

Exactly my thoughts. Also bittersweet for my CDJ's. I will say there better be some real advantages for me to stop using the 2000NXS's. I mean the XDJ already introduces beat jump capabilities in RBDJ that no other player has so I don't know. Then again the SP1(or 2 LOL) is there for exactly things like that. Just wish it had RGB.
Couldn't have said it better.

actually the rekord box website says none of them are supported.

assuming you meant like a 900 nxs works with traktor or a 900 srt works with SDJ.

Secret sauce for USB ports?

Ok I could of swore it was here, djtechtools.com

But I guess there not supported.....yet.

Eitherway it doesn't matter because I'm gonna assume that it'll (Rekordboxdj) would/will use the soundcard in my CDJ's?? And if that's the case then really any mixer will work regardless of it being midi/hid or not.....

wait my head is spining hear... what are we talking about rekordbox4... or rekordbox dj.

the rz and rx will be a rekordbox dj controller...not a recordbox4 where you need usb sticks.

am i right

Yes you are correct. This chart should explain all rekordbox.com Some work for both some work for only some. I figured it was a confusion on RB 4.0 and RBDJ.

Some work for both some work for only *ONE............

a djm900 nex and cdj2000 nex will work with both rb4 and rbdj .... so when your at the club you choose what you want to use.


your at home and putzing about with your rx or sx you use rbdj.

so the jump from home to the club is easy and it cures the problem for mobile dj's that need the big library.

but still... i have to convert some serious files to rb from serato.... not going to do it

long live the club kit....hehhehe

RekordBuddy 2.0 Bro. I know I say this all the time too but it is already possible to sync libraries now as well. NI Database Importer tool (Serato>Traktor) and RekordBuddy 1 (Traktor/Serato).

I know what you saying though. I happen to be a huge fan of Serato's crate structure and will probably always use it (Serato) because of.

hopefully at some point.

Sorry, I missed you were talking about the "standalone" controllers. The other older controllers will be supported.

Interesting times.

just gonna leave this heeeeere......

cdn.pioneerdj.com

Interesting interface. Have they removed the "colour" waveform? Is this still Serato's IP?

They're still there ...

You can choose 3 different waveform colours I believe

No one's waveforms are as fluid and detailed as Traktor's.

^I'll agree with that. I sort of miss being able to zoom in all the way and set my start marker right at the beginning of a transient. Serato's been pretty solid so far though.

I'm glad the wait is finally over.

Here we go...

rekordbox.com

True... I had quite an issues to understand the waveforms once moved to Serato - they are kinda gritty, not zoomable (whats tricky when you are making grids in the offline player and no metronome there...) and blurry while moving.
The Traktor's waveform representation is far the best I have seen - clean and vivid.... Hope it will get improved in Serato one day...

have tested Rekordbox DJ with DDJ-SR and after 1 Hour i must say runs a little laggy with Windows 8.1 (he is analyzing my 15500 Tracks in Background for Stripes, BPM and so on)
but sync and effects work really nice a little bit like Traktor with Serato GUI

Just downloaded... Will try it with the sz and sb....

I don't think you will be testing with the DDJ-SB as it is not supported. rekordbox.com

I am gonna try with a few Macs and two PC's myself to see the difference. I am noticing the same with Windows thus far but gonna look into a bit further before I make any judgements.

Thus far the difference is MUCH greater with RBDJ and Win than Serato and Win. I do not have the best machines with Windows but Serato runs pretty decent on them.


It is looking like the Mac side of things is on par (with SDJ) and in some ways even better but the Windows side of things is FAR worse than Serato. This is strange to me because Rekordbox 3.x and lower all worked decent on my Windows machines. I would say this is early adopting jitters and bugs BUT they had quite an extensive beta (coincidentally called the "early Adopters" program LOL) and felt it was good to go with Windows. Does this mean this is as good as it gets for the foreseeable future?

Thank GOD I have my MacBooks otherwise I'd be asking for a refund!! (Which reminds me MAKE SURE YOU USE THE FREE 30 day trial. I purchase all DJ apps the day of release for testing purposes anyways so I just went for the purchase)

Plainly put I do NOT see this as a threat for Serato in any way BUT I certainly do hope they can take some lessons from Pio in the smaller features area.

Anyways happy hunting and please do let me know how things go on the Windows side for anyone who is using it.

Hopefully it is just me.

- VERY slow load times
- Laggy waveforms (not Serato laggy Im talking UBER LAGGY)
- a few hangs (two when loading songs one when doing nothing)
- STEMS not working right (I know RB does not support STEMS but I mean it won't even play the actual mp4 without stalling a bit.
- Total crash (happened only once and it was directly after installing

- (Personal Issue NOT faulting RBDJ software) The thing bothering me most right now is the cue points. I have about half my 100K file collection (48K files approx.) fully SYNCed with Traktor, Serato & Rekordbox. The problem is they finally decided to add cue point labels. I have the vast majority labeled AND color coded and these two options did not import along with the cue point placements. I am hopeful Rekord Buddy fixes this :)

BTW I have been testing with SX thus far but will be testing with DDJ-SZ, CDJ-2000Nexus's & CDJ-900's along with a few DJM Mixers which leads me to the next thing........

Did anyone notice with Mac that it asks for the hardware you will be using with RBDJ and the newer DJM mixers including the DJM-900SRT are on the list? Also noticed if you select one (or even the SZ) it says "target file not found" for some reason.

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Echoing the above - using a DDJ-SX mk1.

Some nice EFX and really well thought out features, but once running for a while (60mins+) it felt really glitchy (drop-out style), hot cues do not trigger on beat (odd?).

Biggest downside being no import option for your current SDJ Library (and hot cues etc!!!).

I hope they fix this up, as if they do the sheer joy of having my library working across all Pioneer platforms will be awesome.

K

On this... "Did anyone notice with Mac that it asks for the hardware you will be using with RBDJ and the newer DJM mixers including the DJM-900SRT are on the list?"

I am guessing that is a select-panel for future DVS support.

One thing I've noticed on that download/purchase page though is that... VIDEO Support is NO Longer posted as an upcoming feature :(

No rush Pio... I know you will deal with A LOT OF BUGS at this early stage of release.

Did you try turning Quantize off and doing by hand? At least to make sure it triggers instantly and no lag there?
If you are willing to use Traktor as a middle mad this is possible now (as long as you already have Rekordbuddy 1.x as it has since been puled from apple store) but you can wait a few more days until Rekord Buddy 2.0 is released and it will take care of that for you.
It actually said it was for the sound interface but I justy found it weird being they are not even officially compatible so why ask for them although i DO agree they will be added for DVS support.
I never even saw it there. Just the actual RBDJ and two expansions which are still there DVS & the one effect pack.

I agree. After using it for about an hour with my SX2 & macbook pro, it started to feel laggy. Grid adjustment isn't available when using the SX2, yet you can set the first downbeat. However when you do that, it throws the entire beat grid out & leaves no way to adjust it again?? Also is it just me or does the scratching sound very digital? I gotta say I actually didn't enjoy using it as much as I thought I would. There are certainly finer details that Serato can take from RBDJ (split screen, pad fx etc...) but for me I still prefer Serato.

yes YESS!!

TBH I am hooping this turns out to be a big jump for Serato as opposed to the Serato Killer some have been predicting. Kinda like a "nice try but let us show you what you were trying to do there" I know its silly to personify my DJ apps BUT if you catch my drift I simply want this to do two things here.

1.) Be an eye opener for team Serato and have them polish out there flagship software in every way they/we can think of that will be mutually beneficial to all users.

2.) Be an eye opener for the users of Serato. I can promise one thing already. You matter MORE to Serato than you do to Pioneer. Serato will listen to the feedback and sometimes even directly respond. At Pioneer if you are not in-house or A list forget it. Lastly maybe it wasn't all that bad to begin with. I for one am appreciating my Serato more today.



NOT just you btw.

I've just tried Rekordbox DJ....The only thing I keep in mind is this software has HUGE potential !!! The release fx, pad fx, the full sampler and on top of that the sequencer is completely sick (way better than the Serato SP6 and Traktor remix decks together !!), it will be a lot of FUN for sure !!! The UI works seamlessly, the media library management offers a lot of possibilities...

I have no doubt That Pioneer will bring this software to the TOP !

I have the feeling that Rekordbox has been built to take the best of DVS world. It can be used with any audio routing mode, there is a strong key mapping so I think the midi mode will allows to control almost everything. And I think the DVS pack will allows any core audio hardware to work with! It would be not a silly strategy to gain market against Serato and Traktor and have more revenues with this pack selling.

Their DVS strategy will not support third party DVS devices anymore than Rekordbox DJ itself supports third party controllers.

I have tried the new Rekordbox software. One this I have noticed is that Rekordbox installs a new driver for our hardware. You may need to adjust the latency for the hardware. I do see this program has allot of potential to it.

I am so excited for this.

I've been a proud user of Serato since the DDJ-SX came out couple yrs ago.

I have switched to the DJM-900srt, DDJ-SP1 and 2 x XDJ-1000 this year

As of late, I've been dealing with latency issues that never seems to have been fixed permanently. (Lots of crackling, stuttering and popping issues)

I've tried everything from increasing and decreasing the usb latency from the software and the ASIO settings, to buying powered and unpowered USB hubs and buying DJ Techtools Chroma USB Cables in hopes to solve my latency issues.

Nothing works.

Every change I make works only to have it return several days later and the crackling, stuttering and popping comes back.

I've done the Windows Optimization.

My laptop is the Lenovo Y50 4K i7 (2014) with 1TB SSD and 16GB RAM. My laptop is more than sufficient enough to run Serato.

The only thing I haven't done is full wipe of my laptop and reinstalling a fresh Windows 8.1 and Serato DJ.

But when I use Rekorbox with my XDJ-1000 & DJM900srt using Link (LAN) and USB (Flash drives), it works flawlessly.

I use Rekordbox when I work in my Resident Club and use Serato for personal uses.

Having a stable Rekordbox DJ will be very beneficial for my workflow, and seeing Rekordbox DJ is very similar to (looks & feel) Serato DJ, making the transition is a no-brainers

have you guys been able to use your external drives.... like explorer seeing you external drive in rbdj ... i may be doing some thing wrong

On the PC side RB would see my drives but on the Mac side I was shit outta luck.

Mac Side - Absolutely. All I use is external drives. I did ALL my library work externally though using Rekord Buddy so unfortunately I may not be much help. I will loon into it though.

Keep in mind the external drive situation is not like Serato. The .xml file stays locally thus you do not have the luxury of moving from laptop to laptop at will (like with Serato) without importing the .xml file first. Rekord Buddy edits the actual .xml file and merges it with the other databases (eg .nml for Traktor).

PC Side - I was having enough trouble with local files as it was so I figured external would only make it worse.

Either way looking into it now.

ummmm I can't find it either. THANK GOD for Rekord Buddy as I would have been PISSED!!

Seems me you go into export panel > Click the arrow next to "devices" and the HDD should show up right?

Yet my External HDD shows up with all 50,000 files I have always had with all the cue points, beat grids & loops intact as well as folders and playlists!!

I'm gonna keep at it though to find out but TBH even in the end I am still going to use my external software to keep everything SYNCed.

www.dropbox.com

Actually to be consistent with my Serato's key fields etc.www.dropbox.com

I really do love that preview in the library..

Yeah it's pretty freakin neat!! Just ONE O' dose tings!!.............. that Serato should take from Rekordbox. Hell it seems Rekordbox took plenty from Serato so all is fair IMO.

Are your drives partitioned by chance?? If not that would explain why they show up.

My drive is partitioned into 3 parts and RB ONLY sees the first one.....

No portion at all...


Thus is what I do... all my music is on my external firewire... In the realm of mobile gigs is to have a backup..

So should my computer crash... just hit up the back up and your on your way...


In rbdj it doesn't see my drive ... not good.... and for the sake of a person gives me a song on a USB I should be able to access it like serato...

So still a learning curve I have to get my head into...

Thanks dave.... I just read your post about moving an xml.

Any impressions on the keylock quality in RBDJ?
(The stock keylock in SDJ is garbage and even Pitch 'n Time has noticeable artifacts).

If Pioneer got that right and it's stable enough I might be switching.

- HID mode without SDJ's stupid "official hardware" limitation? Yes please.
- Remapping abilities in the future? Uh huh.
- WAY more sophisticated library features? Excellent.

No partitions on any of my drives actually.

As mentioned though I can't even get one to show up in mac on RBDJ itself. The work I had done previously in Rekord Buddy thank god still worked with RB 4.0.
U Got it :)

Hmm that's weird.

By the way this is shit with my Pioneer DJM 850 and CDJ 850's.

Can't set my latency any lower then 5 and even then the sound quality is shit!!

Not happy with this at all.

Is this ^^ Mac or PC?

So... this is your first post on the forum? Did you sign up to praise Rekordbox?

Both my friend. PC is worse but it's on both platforms.

Yeah. I have since seen quite a few posts citing HID as a problem area with RBDJ.

Tried this Rekordbox DJ software and I'm not really impressed. Having the pad section on the UI is a nice feature and also Release FX but other than that, I think SDJ kicks its ass in every department. I'm just waiting for SDJ 1.8 to be released at the moment. It's gonna be epic! :D

I wish you are right.... - it would be very nice to get something new after so many bugfix releases..

That won't ever change no matter who's software it is.

djtectools Ean look at RekordBox 4 and Pioneer Flagship controller.


djtechtools.com

I played with rekordbox over the weekend trying to get a good feel and in my personal experience the software is way better than i expected, i mean its the initial release after all!!

I have never used rekordbox before nor itunes for library management, so a bunch of things were new to me. I'll share some of my first impressions without going into any advanced stuff, just basic workflow.

Things that i liked:
- Being able to use all software functionalities in "offline mode", prepare my sampler without controller connected, basically most of the workflow that requires me to connect my controller on serato.
- PAD FX and Release FX are reallyyyy nice, i did not even bother using the FX controls on top of my controller.
- The actual FX sound way better than the Serato iZotope FX, i feel that they sound higher quality and they blend in without messing with the volume of the track too much, just like a very well balanced transition. Sometimes in Serato you can actually hear when the FX activates / deactivates.
- I'm not an audiophile so i didn't bother comparing the master tempo algorithm between the two.
- I felt Scratch response when releasing the jog wheel was a bit better on RB than Serato, it picked up a bit faster (i have a DDJ-SX). As far as sound goes when scratching i couldn't tell a difference.
- I played for 3 hours non stop and I did not experiencie any glitches running on one of my MBPs with OSX El Capitan, latency was set at 512. When going down to 256 i could hear some clicks every few minutes.
- Beatgridding was pretty straight forward with same flexibility as serato.
- Star Rating system was new to me and i loved it.
- The "My Tag" concept was new to me as well and a very welcomed addition.
- All 8 Pads are available for the Sampler, SP-8!
- I liked the option that automatically sets your initial cue point at the first downbeat when analyzing your tracks.
- The "Related Tracks" feature was one of the things i enjoyed the most.
- Category Filters on the library were really helpful.
- The "Explorer" tree view will make some people happy.
- I played a bit with the sequencer and it's very simple to use, i believe it's a great addition.
- Another cool feature was the beat count display option where it counts the bars remaining until the next cue point.
- CPU was avging 50% usage and memory was at 3.2GB usage with just RB open.
- I was surprised that CUE Point Naming is also part of Rekordbox, losing that feature would have been really annoying.


Things i didn't like:
- No Video and No DVS (yet).
- No "Serato Flip", or at least i wasn't able to find a similar feature.
- No custom limiter and autogain settings like Serato, it just has some generic "auto gain" setting that i got no clue how it works.
- No easy way to massively "halve" all BPMs.
- I did not take advantage of the "preview waveform" feature at all.
- I reported an issue where the BPMs over 3 digits (100+) are not displayed properly on screen, the same happens with the track time, for some reason the number gets cut off. I'm not sure if this is an OSX El Capitan issue because it doesn't happen on my Windows PC and my other MBP with Yosemite.
- I was having some "Lag" at the beginning when running at 1680x1050 resolution, specially when scrolling through the library. I workarounded the problem by jumping to 1440x900.
- Built-in key analysis is a great feature but what annoys me is having to convert them to camelot wheel format.
- BPM analysis is pretty accurate for the most part (if you set your range correctly). I tried the "Dynamic" analysis option with some of my latin tracks (salsa, merengue, etc) but it didn't make it better, i still had to manually adjust them.
- No cue point naming (got used to them on serato)


So i'd like to close with the MOST ANNOYING ones:
1. Transferring files from one computer to another. With Serato what i normally do is prepare all of my mp3s on my desktop, analyze them with my 8 core processor, fix the beatgrids, etc and then transfer everything over to my MBP and import them into their corresponding crates, EASY RIGHT? Apparently it's not that straight forward with Rekordbox.
2. Switching from Serato to RB at this point would be a huge pain, there's no straight forward process to export / import all of my cue points, beat grids, loops into Rekordbox.

These 2 options above are the deal breakers for me, even if i love all of the great features rekordbox has.

REKORD BUDDY 2.0 will do all of this and should be out very soon
nextaudiolabs.com

It's gonna be a rather expensive switch.
Buy RBDJ, buy Rekord Buddy 2.0, buy DVS, buy FX, maybe buy video at some stage etc....
I'm sure for some the price will seem justified, but SDJ is continuously improving & adding feature requests. So the big question is.... is RBDJ really that much better than Serato?

In a word, yes. Serato was tailored for Mac products. Rekordbox allows the pc user to have the same audio and video capabilities, gives pc users proper looking waveforms, and allows video without having the non stop video crashes. PC users make up 80% of market.. Do the math.

Rekordbox doesn't do video (and who knows if they ever will) - what are you talking about?
From what I've read, a lot of pc user's are experiencing latency issues with HID too.
If you feel RBDJ is better for you on pc that's cool, just don't forget that RBDJ doesn't do everything SDJ can do at the moment. If DVS & Video are introduced you might end up with exactly the same responsiveness you have right now with SDJ.

Woe, woe...... pump your brakes buddy, too soon.....lol

oh wait, look what i found....serato.com

Lol!! - he's got some serious mac issues.

AHAHAHA!! You mac fan bois can keep your serato :) The majority of us are moving on :) Go spend that 2200 bucks, I'll buy 3 pcs :) HAHAHAHA

Uhhh no, you're not "moving on". You're still wasting your time on a site who's product you don't even like.

Well in Burny's defense, he is a part time troll so that's sort of what he is suppose to do....lol

Apple build quality far exceeds any pc I have ever seen period...... there is a reason why my MBP cost £2300 !

And I'm a pc user! The only reason I bought a mac is for DJ work and I maxed the spec too, didnt want any latency glitches issues.

I'm not saying pcs won't do the job, but no lap top I have seen comes close to the MBP in build quality. If your a professional DJ your want the best, if not plastic rules lol l I bet the mac goes on longer in life than any plastic pc laptop.

Though even after buying the top of the range highest spec MBP, it didnt blow me away with its performance in snappiness in everyday use, I would say my pc feels faster.

But I get no audio drop outs and the CPU meter bearly moves and most of all its a tool that works, plus I have 8tb of thunderbt external storage that also works!

If bunny wants his 3 pcs... enjoy, u only get in life what you pay for, and that also applies to the standard and quality of djs too lol

To be honest , I used a Dell Laptop for years with Scratch Live, then Itch and then move to Serato DJ. I could see the difference when I change to a 13 inch MacBook Pro, face it Macs is a musician dream

hmm i have a Dell XPS13 i7 and Serato and Video plug-in with PnT run without any lags or Problems CPU Usage never more than around 40% , and now , i recommend PC

Thats a bullshit.... I am saying that as an Apple user, but the truth is thats its really a bullshit...
MBP is a regular computer (not a power pc any longer) using common components, so beside the apple logo on an aluminium body and osx running on it, its nothing but a regular laptop. Maybe even worse - its nearly not upgradable (ram, hdd).
In other words - there is nothing worth so much money on mbp and its unreasonably overpriced.

Id say some of the overpriced is having the apple store to take your machine to for free for a year. but still about 15% too high.

the new only apple upgrades has me keeping my 2012 and upgrading hd.

No.... No bull shit

Apple build quality is spot on and I'm a pc user!

There the only laptop company to use the whole case as a major heatsink

Every other crappy plastic pc laptop cooks and gets hot, when the processor starts to work, the fan goes in to turbo mode and tries to exhaust all the hot air.

The MBP just sits there cool as a cucumber as the metal case nicely dissipates all the heat.

The mac build quality far far far exceeds 99% of pc laptops period....

Shame people who don't know or are not educated to understand, spout out hot air the same as comes out there laptop lol

Its the OS. A Unix based OS that make it powerful. I don't like them as a working computer. I love windows. But for DJ and music apps, it's great. Love my mbp's. First got a 13". And then bought a 15".

The build quality makes it reliable ! The os works well. End result success.


If you want to have a laugh take trip to pc world and have a look, play and feel of the 50 or so pc laptops on offer. They will all flex and bend! Most will look cheap and plastic in quality

It's a true disgrace the build quality of pc laptops

Build quality of what? For example the build quality of my mbp which is 90% at home but where the touchpad is not in level? The quality of the screws so they are popping off? The quality of the system, causing that I need to keep restarting it as the keyboard simply stops responding until its restarted? Sticked feets, falling off? None of my other laptops was ever doing that, no matter if it was old mac or pc - just since mbp's changed to x64 architecture, the quality (and performance) went down. If THIS is your idea about the real quality?....definitely not mine.....
Sorry mate, I know you are proud of your 2300gbp toy but apple's mbp is the same piece of shit as everything else, but what makes them different, is that their marketing is so powerfull that they know how to sell overpriced 2300gbp laptops to masses... :-)
The difference in the performance is only caused by better optimization of apps due to the system tailored for a specific hardware - not by some osx holiness.... The same applies for ios.

Geez Burny - Look what you started!!
We were talking about Rekordbox.........

No! Macbooks! :-DD :-D
Anyway - this thread shouldn't be in this forum section at all.... Its quite OT form the SDJ itself.

MBP are not toys unlike most plastic flimsy pc laptops, sounds like you have abused you mac, or been sold a 2nd hand dud.

Screws popping out really....

Everything you post has no resemblance to my mac or the other mac books I have seen over the past few year.

I'm not proud or saying there cheap, but they crap over everything else on offer in the plastic laptop world.

I suggest you go back to your supplier and get a real MBP, what your describing is total dribble, MBP are nothing like you describe.

End of ......

40 of the top scratch dj's using what?

Watchwww.youtube.com


they must be on to something.... dont see a PC.


and if im correct i havent seen anyone who perform on the redbull 3style video dj comp use a PC or vdj....


DROPS THE MIC

Lol!!!

Man, you guys need to be banned. How is a Rekordbox DJ discussion turned into the endless Mac vs PC debate? And this issue is so old and to talk about it is so sinful.

Yes, drop the mic please.....

banned not gonna happen i have never seen anyone here banned... cause its freedom of speach


dropped the mic the second time...... i must have sweaty hands

the mac fan bois are in a tizzy, getting viruses, finding out the mac is a PC with mac os on it... Rekordbox enabling the windows users, yeah, fanbois, YEAH!

Burny, I think you're excitement is clouding your judgment.
Please tell me how you gonna do video with RBDJ?
What can RBDJ do better for you, than Serato currently does?
RBDJ is already loaded with problems: forums.pioneerdj.com
I honestly believe Serato is gonna outshine & outperform RBDJ.
But if you feel so different, perhaps you should rave about your pc on pioneer's site.
Go and show them what a great fan you are ;)
Your Serato / Mac hate (not too sure which it actually is)
will be better received there.

My "hate" comes from the absolute lack of support shown by the Serato Dev team towards pc users. My other hate comes from the absolute arrogance of most mac users on this forum, literal arrogance. Serato video for pc users is absolute SHIT. The common response is "buy a mac" That's not just my opinion , that's just me venting it. Anyways.

acemc here here! lol

THERE IS NO VIDEO SUPPORT IN RBDJ, nor has there been an mention of it in the near future ??

And Yes! I don't think Serato's days are numbered either for PC or Mac users, for me it works equally well on both platforms, ultra stable and reliable.

It's still way out there.

But if you have crap hardware expect problems! I would rather have my apple any day to DJ with than a moldy old pear!

:-)

just saw a refurb 2012 on apples website for 829. upgrade the hd and ram to 16gb for cheap and bam. cheap mac.

And then Johnny PIPES in about crap hardware.... This is what makes you an absolute idiot. My laptops are top of the line bud, i7s, 2 gig video cards, 16 gigs of ram and SSD drives.

Oh, and yes video is in Rekordbox, coming out in November.

This is a forum of users. Not the devs. Here to get help and help anothers. So, the answer of most of us is based on personal experience. We are not fans nor haters. Simply recommend what works for us. It look like the fanboy is the guy bashing the mbp users. It simply works. And can we can afford it.

Normally, the people that ask for tolerance are the first to untolerate the ones that think different from them. And go aggressive towards them.

Now. Let's get back to the main topic. Rekordbox, shall we?

Please show a link where video will be supported in RBDJ in November

He can't lol

I can assure you I'm no idiot, I spend my life designing electronics, and programming in C & Forth embedded languages. I spend my life designing up to 10 layer surface mounted circuit boards using Altium CAD on a P.C. lol

I design using, just to mention a few components FPGA's, Muxs, SPI, I2C, D/A, Differential Line Drivers, DC/DC Converters, compactors, Fets, Triacs, Opto Isolators, opamps, D/As, A/D, and so on.

So I know a little bit about electronics, design and how things should be built. So as for idiots lol, there has only be one I have seen on this site and each post gets more comical.

enough said.

So, you are a programmer... Dime a dozen, India coming soon enough to fill that job.

I'm hoping that these latency issues get fixed before my 30 days is up.

As of right now in this very moment it is unuseable in my opinion because I have to set my latency all the up to around 15/20 in order to get a good sound but then I can't scratch or really mix.......just kinda sucks.

I dont care about fx's or all that other jazz and my tracks were already analyzed so yeah it sucks....

I only got to test it out once, then it said my trail was over!!!
And on my first try, I found the latency to be bad too.

Burny ! Slow yourself down, breathe and read before spouting!

No I'm not a programmer ! I'm an Embedded Electronics Design Engineer, and a small part of that job title requires programming skills, but that's not programming as you would know it!

It's embedded electronics programming of micros, FPGAs and other 16bit/32bit silicon electronics.

But then I wouldn't expect you to know what an FPGA is... Field Programmable Gate Array.

And I can assure you there is nothing to worry about with India programmers lol, there not big on FPGA electronic design! may be if I was designing websites your statement could be factual.

So just to clarify! I design and layout the type of electronics that is inside your plastic PC laptop.

As other people have stated on this forum try to use your energy in life to be positive and constructive, you will get so much more out of life, happiness, fulfillment and come across as an educated person.

Btw

No one has said there is anything wrong with you loving your PC, I'm happy for you and i'm sure others on this forum are too. I never said you had crappy hardware either, It was a general point, stating that if anyone's hardware is not up to the job in hand, there will be problems, i.e. overheating, latency, USB drop out etc.

People on this forum are not Arrogant as you stated previously, they all have something good to share and give to others in the way of knowledge, experience, feedback and their opinion on DJing, hardware, software etc.

If you don't agree with them, it's no big deal! but a wise man will always do his homework before spouting.

No worries my lads. I got the license and will report the second things get better ;)

this is another, get a new mac os and not expect problems.

id give it 2 years minimum. a lot can happen in 2 years.

Also FTR to stay on topic yet keep things factual Pioneer has NOT officially announced Video support. They have had representatives (not actual Pioneer developers) at the trade shows mention that they intend to support video in the future but that is as far as that goes. The ONLY Rekordbox DJ Plus Packs that have been officially announced are found directly on the RBDJ store page for everyone to view rekordbox.com

Furthermore I invite anyone interested in RBDJ's overall performance to simply visit the RB forums as mentioned above and see for yourself. In its current form it is a borderline failure with HUGE potential. The fact is many things will be fixed but the question remains how will the core performance be? I have even more news for you. This is how things went AFTER a public beta and ONLY with Audio. Even IF they do add Video do you feel confident in any way that they will nail it straight away?

Either way there is no need for such reaches. It comes across as desperate and tired. If there is ONE word I would use to describe Serato users it would be loyal. One thing I can also say with confidence is Serato is similar to life in that you get from it what you put into it. That is Serato THIS discussion is about RBDJ. Count your blessings we have the freedom to even have such a discussion here as I challenge anyone here to have an open discussion like this about Serato over at the Pioneer forums.......................

THIS discussion is about RBDJ. Count your blessings we have the freedom to even have such a discussion here as I challenge anyone here to have an open discussion like this about Serato over at the Pioneer forums.......................
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yup talk about other programs in other forums get booted or deleted

damn i dropped the mic again

Oddly enough, I'm now using Rekordbox (without performance mode) for prepping; two deck mode is fairly nice, and I can get Rekordbox to interface with my comment tag system anyways. Kind of like the way Serato works though, much more straightforward. I feel like the strength Serato is retaining through this is ease of use actually.

That, and the Serato team still somehow keeps coming up with unique features like Key Sync. Slicer was out a long while ago and copied by others, instant doubles were an original, Flip is still unrivaled.

Main draw for me still to get RBDJ is the ability to prep with a cheaper controller and export to USB for CDJs....that would require me to drop my NV and get a SR/SX though, and I like my screens....xD

Well said deejdave,

I agree with everything you said, this site and serato is brilliant, freedom of speech is very important but not to the point where people are offending others. Sorry if the post went off topic slightly.

I wonder if this might be a challenge to MBP. First time Microsoft has blatantly challenged Apple on the laptop front.

Watchwww.youtube.com

...and let's not forget Pitch 'n Time. That plugin already was reason enough to stick with Serato, but now with Key Syncing & Shifting, WOW! I can tell you 1.8 will be a very nice update.

Not even slightly tempted to jump ship.. :)

The two things Pioneer can't just copy from Serato:
1. The Serato Community
2. Serato Support

It's just not all about the features...

WORD!

+1

Let me just say, most of my comments were trolling. I actually enjoy Serato DJ, I hate serato video because of the constant crashes, but the software is descent. I also do not like the sp6 sound quality, which rekordbox dj seems to have improved. As long as we pc users dont hear "buy a mac" at every issue we post, we pc users will be happy.

It's amazing to me people's reluctance to buy a Mac when it's suggested that they should do so. Serato software has always run better on a Mac, so why not get the tool that will help you have "practically" worry-free sessions?

When you factor in how less expensive DJING has become because of the advent of digital music, buying a Mac at even $4,000 is meager by comparison. Shit, 4K would only buy about 375 records.....man, I would condistently buy that many, if not more, every year.

What Problems with Serato Video you have? But i think we should go with this to another thread

Agree!


To Windows pc users, tell me if anyone of these Pro DJs in the video use pc and why not?

www.facebook.com

Before I got a mac I had many guys on various forums recommending mac,
but I just couldn't justify the price of a macbook pro (I actually couldn't afford it).
One day a friend of mine upgraded his macbook.
He asked me if I would like to try his old mac with my dj software.
After trying it........ I finally understood why everyone recommended it.
There was just such a big difference, everything 'just worked properly'.
Needless to say, my friend never got his macbook back!!
Now unless I have absolutely no other options, I doubt I'd ever use a pc for dj'ing again.

I know how you feel. I used to be a staunch PC user but after trying my first mbp I would never consider a PC again

I really think this goes for all of us that came from PC! Never looking back to PC from the music/artist standpoint

Will jump on boat now, Burny?

:)

Same here, came from PC and would never look Back.

Damnit!!......



going to mac store after work.

tellin ya refurb apple mid 2012 on the website. save money and upgrade yourself.

ill def look at it

refurb store on apple.com is awesome for sure

Just a dogma which started years ago, when the mac arcitecture was significantly different what caused the mac to significantly outperform the pc's that days.
The difference is now almost melted and there is no hw difference - just the better built os, tailored only for a limited hw configuration, which you can install on any other computer....

Just to reassure some pc-users, I never had any problem whatsoever running Serato DJ, running on a 3 year-old pc now and it hasn't failed me even once. To eb complete: Rekordbox DJ is running smoothly too, although I still have to test it out a bit more.
Just feeling some pc-addicts might get scared reading this thread.

omg! ill def look at it

It will be the best move you make, if you're a serious pro DJ!

A bad workman always blames his tools! I can assure you you wont be blaming this tool.

Apples or Pears ? apples all day long......

anyone notice how loud Rekordbox dj is compared to serato and traktor?

Does "loudness" of a software program matter?

It's about the QUALITY of the digital audio stream of the sw program, to the hw audio device. The audio device determines the "loudness", not SDJ.

I can tell you 1 thing: the PnT plug-in with 1.8 is just crazy.. No Pio or NI can level this quality of key pitching & time stretching in a dj app..

no im just saying, its weirdly loud. but it doesnt sound bad. i have a sound level app on my phone and i know its not perfect or scientific but it does seem to be louder than the other 2 apps.

it seems like all pioneer stuff is really super boosted as of the last few years. Cdj 2000 nxs and Djm 900 Srt(havent used a 900 NXS on a reg basis) seem really loud too.

i immediately got my club a couple noise complaints when i first used the SRT in a club that rarely gets noise complaints. It has a -3 and -6 and i leave it on -6.

I was just asking if anyone else noticed, because it seems quite clear. imo it does sound better than SDJ 1.74 or TRaktor 2.8, which is what i use currently.

Ah ok, I didn't get that from your post.

It seems like Pioneer entered the "loudness war"... :)

Always good to hear. If possible and at earliest convenience could you post a video running Serato DJ at 1ms with Pitch N Time on with some minor scratching? I have been holding off on a new PC as I have been unable to find one that performs as I would like it to.

I generally use Serato at 2ms but I can run 1 ms with no issues and smooth as butter waveforms and would jump on a PC running the same :) Again no rush I just haven't had much luck with this here and believe me I have been asked quite a few peeps.

deejdave.......... DROPS THE MIC ;)

Why is it, that RB states they have the lowest latency out of all the software, yet all I keep reading about is RB people with latency issues ?

Also what is the sound quality like from RB ? Another major point that pioneer boast about, is it any different to serato ?

Thanks

i think sound quality is better. its louder too. but that on home 5 in monitors.

free trial, just download and you get 30 days.

i like it cuz like traktor, you can mix off the internal soundcard to prepare mixes and such.

still not leaving serato, but i'd probably use it some if i had a controller. the efx are dope too.

[quote
i like it cuz like traktor, you can mix off the internal soundcard to prepare mixes and such.


Definitely the biggest problem of the serato offline player. I hate the fact that I need the whole dvs setup to be connected just to prepare set and try the new tracks, soooo much.... :-(

If Serato opened up the offline player, everyone would have to buy a standalone SDJ license no matter what hardware was owned

The way it currently is, they are making me to use a competitor software to do an absolutely simple task...
Ok another way - I could use the sl3 as an authorization dongle, but would have an absolutely simple soft xfader and option to route via the internal soundcard.... Or anything when I am not made to have my full setup connected ur using traktor just to prepare my set......- thats really crazy....

I keep the Akai AMX handy at all times for this purpose. As you mention the only thing really missing is a simple software crossfader which I think is a fair tradeoff if they don;t want to add full online support without hardware.

not really if they just even did what record box used too, which was have 2 off line players like serato stacked on top with a simple xfader. of course you could dj with it, but most likely no pro dj would.

or the a box dongle would be nice. although it would still affect people without a box and maybe just a mixer or controller.

we could register products that allow us to use full version of serato. ala a box, mixer, or controller entry then access.

c'mon serato, this is def one of your sillier no-gos. although there has always been a more than a few. at least some mixers/controllers will now be open for mapping in 1.8.

If I had the AMX, I'd the same but all I have is a big djm which is not suitable for it and buying an AMX just for a set preparation and track pre-listen is no go... I'd rather keep using some of the competitor software allowing me to do what I need when serato fails on such a simple task - thats really sad to be honest because they are giving me a completely stupid reason to install and try RB and possibly stick with it in the future... :-D

+1 on the Pioneer RB4 sounding louder.

I've not been on the Pioneer forums since my CDJ 900 days. Would be interesting to see what the early adopters are reporting.

so far not over impressed with RB

Installed to have a play and keep on getting a crash with unexpected application error !

not a great start! serato is rock stable, not sure why RB fails and there are a few crash files in the RB crash directory, tested it on a PC running windows 7 64bit 16 gigs of memory 3.4ghz I7.

Every other application runs fine apart from RB .....

40 reputable scratch DJs performing on the S9 and I didn't see one pc. All MBPs. Probably just a coincidence though right?

djworx.com

welcome to the thread!
Sadly you are about 4 days late for joining that funny apple vs. pc flamewar...
Anyway, thanks for pointing out that obvious deep technical relation between using s9 and mbp! :-)

Maybe the things will change with this Surface Book:

www.microsoft.com

I knew you would comment first. hehehe
Happily I wasn't trying to be on time. Just thought the video was interesting in that none of these cats had a pc. For what it's worth I use SDJ on a Lenovo with Win7 and everything runs right as rain.

Yeah :-) my morning coffee time... :-D
Anyway, the video is definitely interresting but still think its so only because it always has been so and doesn't have so strong reasons behind as in the past years...
Thats a paradox - I am an apple user hating that stupid cult of mac so much... :-D
Ok, will not comment on the mbp vs pc anymore... :-)

I actually avoided the video TBH to not get further into this heat but I just saw in on Pioneer.com after scoping the new Pioneer XDJ-700 and TBH................... it kinda does make a statement. Each and every one of those DJ's were issued an S9 & a PLX-1000 ............... THAT'S marketing. It it is their choices that paints the picture though. Some of these guys are so outside the box they are looking into introducing computers into the hardware itself. They are the absolute forefront of DJ culture and Tech and not to be mean but to think this would in any way be a comfort zone or sticking with what they know sounds like a reach at best. Just being honest.

Notice I will not comment on makes or companies. The video does the speaking, no?


How is everyone stacking up with Rekordbox DJ BTW? TBH I haven't been using all that much and furthermore have been hacking away with my norm actually. Been busy with DJ Player, Djay & Flow8Deck too though and lastly STEMS has been a big one for me. Got the collection to about 500 tracks now!!

I have been noticing an influx of posts over at Pioneer forums with a new (give me my money back) attitude. Still feel for Pulse with the level of knowledge some of these peeps have but some things genuinely not working.

The performance (or dynamic whatever they call it) analyze function is causing many peeps laptops to overheat. The Midi with CDJ's is not spot on. And one that we brought up here with the external libraries not being found by explorer or the export mode within Rekordbox DJ. With Mac it seems it either works. With PC it seems some are having it work sometimes and other times it can't be found.

In other (rekordbox related) news Damien Serkis (Next Audio) has recently updated the blog on Rekord Buddy and it looks like we are just a few days away from release. It seems as though the Windows version has met an unforeseen speed bump that may cause the Win version to be delayed big time.

My initial experience with RBDJ wasn't good at all.
The overall response was very laggy & it was taking ages to load my tracks.
The 2nd time I tried to use it (the next day), it told me my trail had expired!!
I installed it on the wife's macbook pro & it seemed to work ok.
The overall latency was certainly not 'lowest in world' though.
Had huge issue's when I tried using sync. The sampler didn't want to sync at all!!
I think the software has big potential, but still waaaaaaaaaaay behind Serato.
Serato can (and should) definitely take some ideas from them.
The sequencer & recording from the slicer, split screen & pad fx are all fantastic idea's that shouldn't be ignored.
On a side note, I decided to try the trial version of vdj8 yesterday.
Wow!! it blew all my expectations right out of the water.
I'll have to say that the DVS was better (by far) than Serato.
I could do long slow drags....... with key lock on without any issues,
It also had drop to cue which really suprised me (I thought that was a Serato thing)
The tracks didn't drift at all either. It actually made SDJ's DVS seem pathetic!
And that was with me using a Serato timecode vinyl!!
#SHOCKED

Was this on a mac or PC?

Well I have been enjoying rekordbox dj with my ddj sz I been running windows 10 only issue I have that for some strange reason rekordbox 4.0 is not reading my internal sound card on my laptop so if I need to use export mode to change beatgrid one of my songs I have plug in my sz or a tv.
Rekordbox 3.30 works fine with windows 10.
I have tried it on another laptop with windows 8.1 no issues works great.
Maybe I been lucky.
Or maybe my laptop which is hp i7 4700mq 12gbs ram 2x 1t hard drives plus gtx 740m 2gb ddr 5.
Part from that I am really liking the lay out and the 16 effects on the roll button on sz really liking it.
To be honest serato still great software and vdj :-).
Only issue I had with serato is my led on my platters that just blink on and off for no reason but I have tried another pc laptop still does happens.
On the mac book pro I don't have this problem

On a mac

Outside of the clean Echo/FX RB has I prefer Serato DJ...Ive been playing around with it for 5 days

I think VDJ is the dark horse of DJ softwares right now. It has more than meets the eye.
Still, I like Serato's layout, customer support, and hardware integration better.

VDJ also has controller remapping, more than 4 deck support, compatibility with a bunch of DVS systems, they've even reverse engineered the NV's screens and integrated that with the software.

SDJ has controller remapping :)

After trying it out, I totally agree. Did I mention it even read all my serato crates!!
There are still many things I didn't like about it, but the DVS was really on point.
Serato is a slow moving boat, but at least it is moving. I certainly don't plan on jumping ship!!

i've been testing the software ever since it publicly became available, i had to do pretty much my library from scratch and analyze all files which was a lot of work since there was no easy way to migrate the data. I'm still missing my cue points and loops so that's going to take another while as well.

Most of the issues i reported here initially were resolved with the latest update.

The thing i'm enjoying the most out of RB4.0 is the workflow, its very intuitive and easy to get used to, the "My Tags" and the "related tracks" features are very powerful tools. The software hasn't crashed on me once so i might give it a shot next weekend live.

I play mostly dancehall / reggae and we use a lot of sound fx during our gigs, having at the tip of the fingers 16 different sounds with the sampler is a great addition for me. The only thing i'm missing from SDJ is Serato Flip, i have quite a lot of intros done with flip :/

I guess RB will suite some DJs more than others, just like traktor djs, VDJ, etc.

www.pioneerdj.com

future updates roadmap ;-)

Wow. Not much at all happening then

Not that I care, but most companies don't lay out EVERYTHING for the public, just the -for sure- ones while I am sure other stuff is going on the background.

They have a lot of work to do but this early in the game it can go either way. Thus far it is not bad though.

True. So the 'road map' is pointless

Does Serato communicate this way ? Does Serato brings hardware updates monthly ?? Does Serato has introduced that much featurrs in the first release ???

Seriously this 'pointless' short term 'road map' shows at least that Pioneer cares about users expectations and they're are working hard to fullfil all gaps and all their commitments

What Serato do is let you speak your mind on their forum. Something Pioneer frowns upon on their forums, which can't be really considered a forum if you think about it. By the way, Serato is not a hardware company. Hence why they don't do hardware updates.

I can't believe you actually said that comparing Seratos customer support and involvement with pioneers . Wow

Pioneer flat out deletes posts and thread that are not beneficial for them.

In regard to releasing public plans I think there is an obvious element being overlooked here. Pioneer does not have to deal with Partners nor do they give two shits about any existing partners they do have.

Serato can NOT just go around blabbing about this that or the other device they will be supporting in the future because the hardware they would be speaking of was not even developed by them and the difference there is they DO care about their partners.

All that being said I will remind this one part. Rekordbox DJ is pretty decent. Pioneer hardware is even better. But let us NEVER compare Serato and Pioneer's support. Pioneer has a LOT of things going for them but a genuine care for the end user?................. c'mon now. I challenge anyone here to have an idea or genuine issue and head over to the Pioneer forums and report back to use here how far you got. I can guarantee I could get in touch with a representative of each and every department over here at Serato via forum, e-mail OR phone (my choice) in the same amount of time.

In short there is a HUGE disconnect between the DJ and the developer over at Pioneer while here they will personally try to talk you off the ledge if and when an issue arrives which trust at BOTH places (RB & SDJ) they will happen.

Where have you guys seen that I was talking about Serato vs Pioneer support/forum ???

I've just said that Pioneer (Rekordbox) official communication is a good sign. I don't know anything about Pioneer forums and customer support but according to your reactions they are not that good...I'm wondering then why they have made this official updates roadmap if they don't really care about the users??? Serato support communicates a lot compared to the others, but you have to admit that not much things (fixes, updates...) are done afterwards and the delays are getting longer and longer...
My personal feeling is Rekordbox is such important in their strategy that they want to really change the game ... Let's wait and see and above all let's the competition begin

Hell has frozen - I totally agree with you! ;)

Pioneer's forum is a complete joke. Deejdave posted about the 900srt being discontinued and they had no clue about it. Crazy.

After 23 days of test driving the software i finally pulled the trigger and gave it a shot last night and i have to say my first gig with Rekorbox 4.0.1 was "almost" flawless. I had 23 days to prepare my library, set up cues and loops, try all the features, etc and everything went as planned, no crashes or dropouts (running osx el capitan and DDJ-SX).

Here's what caught me a bit off guard. This was the first time playing in a large PA club setup and normally when spinning with Serato i set the auto gain to 93dB, however with RB i don't have a way to customize the autogain settings. There is one global parameter to enable auto gain or disable it but i could definitely hear that my levels were off sometimes and with Serato i never have to worry about my levels.

Besides this i have no other complaints from the software at this time.

its being discontinued?

djtechtools.com

some could see that 900 srt discontinuation as a sign of a distancing of pio and serato. guess we'll see what comes after the s9 with pio hardware and serato....

damn.

That road map looks silly to me. All that hardware should have been supported on launch IMO.

Waveforms on the CDJ's? C'mon now. That should have been step one too.

Pioneer came out with all this big talk before release, then show up on release day to just play catch up the whole time.

Correction: That "road map"

100% correct yet wrong at the same time LOL. They are clearly in the game now but still have tons of work to do before they are in the same league as Serato or Traktor. For those who thought this was the answer and made the steps to drop all else for RBDJ I certainly feel bad for :(

Just to add to this I have stopped all use of Rekordbox for the time being. I am going to wait it out until it becomes a bit more.

You know what I mean Dave lol

I certainly do. As I said you are def right just surprised it happened this way. MAYBE after the CDJ waveforms there will have been some core improvements too but we shall see.

So you think developers and engineers are lazy guys? Or sales guys are too hurry to sell ddj rx and rz before chrismax, right?

Hang on so the screens are useless in HID mode with Pioneers OWN software???? If so WOW!!! why would you do that!!!! that's embarrassing!!! i was hoping rekordbox dj would have better screens and better waveforms than anyother software using HID.....

Yeah. Lol! NOTHING shows up on the screens. Just blank and lit up

WOW! That is fucked up!! suprised iv not seen anyone moaning about this!

I complained about it to Pioneer directly with the same uhhhhhhh WTF approach.

I dunno what happened as a whole 100% for sure myself BUT it makes absolutely NO sense as they had a beta. I DID say from the start they had absolutely NO direction in picking their candidates. I literally have almost all their top tier hardware and they didn't even answer after I asked to help out yet I personally know people who don't own a SINGLE Pioneer device that were asked without them even inquiring with one of them not even joining as they just didn't care to..................


I have said it and will say it again. HUGE disconnect between developer and DJ unless you happen to be Tiesto, Afrojack, etc.

Latest update. Everything takes time to improve....

Ver.4.0.2 (2015.11.04)
[NEW]
CDJ-2000/2000NXS/900NXS Track Browsing and Waveform Display in HID mode.
Playback when paused when pressing HOT CUE (via Preferences).
Autoplay via PERFORMANCE mode (DECK1 only all decks Dec 2015).
XDJ-700 support (Track Browsing and Waveform Display Dec 2015).
DDJ-RX support.
Drop-down menu appears when left-clicking and holding on track list.

[FIXED]
Cross Fader Curve setting in PERFORMANCE worked in EXPORT mode.
Vinyl Speed Adjust in PERFORMANCE mode worked in EXPORT mode.
Auto Gain in PERFORMANCE mode worked in EXPORT mode.
HOT CUE colour in PERFORMANCE mode worked in EXPORT mode.
BPM of loaded track displayed incorrectly in EXPORT mode.
Track incorrectly loaded when double-clicking in PERFORMANCE mode.
Memory CUE worked incorrectly at 00:00:000.
Artwork could not be edited in Info Window with multiple tracks selected.
Related Tracks did not show up with MASTER DECK selected (Customise the criteria > Current Track).
Track starts playing when the CUE button is quickly clicked.
Keyboard shortcut to set the grid to current playing position.
Channel Fader Curve setting.
CDJ/XDJ low volume level on master output.
Improved stability and fixed other minor issues.

I would love if Serato implemented a 'related tracks' or at least a bpm-range filter for their library.
I can't believe I'm still using smart folders for that.

Playback when paused when pressing HOT CUE (via Preferences). <------------- NICEE!! coming from serato i was used to this hot cue behavior, so glad that they fixed this.

Autoplay should have been an option since day one!

Wouldn't sorting your library by BPM do this?

So, my trial is over, updated to the 4.0.2 version. Now only using the prepare mode, mainly for prepping my backup usb sticks.

Dave, any news on the latency issues? I can't be bothered to pay the license just to check latency. By latency, I mean over HID with CDJ's...

I had given up on Rekordbox DJ and was going to wait until Rekord Buddy 2.0 release BUT then this new update with the CDJ waveform update came out which is pretty cool I must admit. Now I can't wait to test out. I updated two of my MacBooks to 4.0.2 last night so I will give it all a go this weekend. I will be checking for the HID latency as well as the external HDD stuff. I saw the posts at pioneer forums on not being able to see the USB storage devices while in performance mode by design but I am talking not being able to see them in EXPORT mode. That is certainly NOT by design. Anything else you want me to check for?

I will take it seriously once it can already play Video. There are still tiny bits and pieces that will need fixing before they reach that poin so it would take a while I assume.

:)

*point*

Is video coming to rekordbox though?

rumors are yes

It's not only rumors, it has been clearly announced by Pioneer:

www.pioneerdj.com

I've switched over and done a bunch of gigs with RB.
I really like workflow and the fact that it's stable ( for me )

Serato has had a few glitches over the last year ( had the sudden speed up of track during the first dance at a wedding )

For the gigs I've used RB at its has performed flawless

Also I've been wanting to redo my library for awhile and now I can
I use iTunes to organize ( with smart list of date added by month ) - all my playlists were Serato

Now I'm just importing the tracks I play into RB AND keeping the library smaller.. It's kind of like the old days where I bring a few crates of vinyl but have all my other stuff at home - now I have a few crates of the good stuff and the other stuff I can add during a gig if necessary
Much nicer to use a library with 500 tracks ( and another 19000 available in a matter of seconds )

@ Warp SO not much better in 4.0.2 BUT just tried 4.0.3 and I noticed an improvement. Looked at release notes and sure enough HID latency was addressed.

@Warp - yes latency is better in the new 4.0.3 version. Also added things that serato has had forever like color changing track name after its played.

PM me for a license key if you need one..

Just thinking here

One of the road maps mentions video coming

Sooooo

When rekordbox has video - the split screen / dual monitor might be really interesting

I've played RB a bit with multi monitors at home and. Just thinking how fun it could be with video

Oh
Another thing
You can edit the midi .csv file ( be careful )

I modified mine for the DDJSX2 - swapped the vinyl/ and slip buttons around ( pressing slip engages / disengage vinyl mode - shift slip toggles slip mode - I don't use slip mode )
Makes the sx2 workflow pretty sweet and after the change the slip light is lit on for vinyl mode - off for CDJ mode on the platters
It's pretty sweet

Thanks Harry & Dave!

Hoping it had dedicated library screen for your viewing then STILL the standard extended desktop (you know what I mean) Video capabilities for your audience to see. Basically three unique screen experience.

Not a problem my brotha

It would if it was only BPM that you were concerned with (If all your tracks in you're folder/library were the same genre.) But if you're wanting to filter your library down by some simple criteria, say, genre, bpm and order your library by 'date added' ('cause you've downloaded a bunch of dope tracks recently) then simply ordering by bpm is difficult. And that's a simple search, I'm not even including Key in that search.

Yes you could have a smart crate of "recently added" but then you need to have a sub smart crate of Genres and the Smart Crate column quickly becomes too long and unwieldily.

It would be much simpler having a simple bpm range and key filter at the top of the library.
95% of the time we're mixing it's beat mixing in a similar bpm. To have to order our library list by bpm is a waste, when ordering could be being used for something far more useful.

The way Rekordbox "Related Tracks" works is also a nice system.

Search multi criteria / filter search options. Been requested time and time again here. Would love to see it as well.

Damn I'd like to see the Tags and Matchig tracks as in the RB.....

If I was Serato I'd stop messing around with a lot of the superfluous features and get cracking on some of the core features that will be appreciated by most dj's. i.e. Better search functionality.

I feel a lot of users are eyeing up Rekordbox because of their search functions.

I've been loving RB and on it since the beginning ( since RDDJ in October)

however the last update screwed me over (4.0.5)
RB is no longer showing MP4 in itunes explorer

Ive been keeping my library in itunes and only adding what I need/play in RB
Now when I look in itunes - there are NO MP4 :(

does it support mp4 files? that's weird.

Thats weird - just upgraded & checked... My whole library is iTunes based and all my mp3 and m4a files are there.

MP4 not M4A

Rekordbox doesn't support MP4 files yet. So they could of made it so they don't show up.

MP4 used to show up - now they don't

you can still drag an MP4 file from itunes and drop on deck ( once imported it WILL show your collection and you can add to a playlist

Just a PITA as I keeping ALL my music in itunes and only imported what I'm currently playing (
it's nice to have about 500 tracks of my current playlists in RB but instant access to my entire itunes (19000+) and import something on the fly if I wanted to play it

I've already modified the midi.csv files to remap a few buttons on my SX2 ( mainly swapped the Slip / Vinyl button around )

just hoping MP4 come back in itunes explorer

But if you cant play them what use are they in rekordbox?

You can play MP4's in rekordbox ( just audio like Serato does)
And imported MP4 will show up in a playlist.

It's just MP4's aren't showing up when you go to import a track from iTunes unless you manually drag it from iTunes into record box

I can't play mp4s i get a red 🚫 Does not support this file format.

What file formats are supported by rekordbox 4?

rekordbox supports the following formats :
・WAV
・AIFF
・mp3
・m4a
・FLAC
・ALAC
Note: FLAC/ALAC is not available for export to devices or Link Export.

Direct from Rekordbox................. Notice no MP4
rekordbox.com

Technically true - MP4 not supported BUT MP4 is just a container and if the audio portion is MP3/AAC it Will and does play ( also needs to be 44100hz)

1/2 my files in rekordbox are MP4

Guess my video mp4s are not 44100hz then as they are AAC audio.

on a similar note.. I got a new Rekorbox DJ bag it my fully fledged carry case..

So its been almost 3 months since the release of RB4, i think they have been catching up pretty fast! I've been using it live 2 months now and has been rock solid stable, not a single crash.

Most of my colleagues would like to jump to RB but 2 things stop them, price and library migration. The new subscription model might help but there still no easy way to migrate your library.

I thought rbdj was cheap considering what it is tbh. Still waiting on Damien to finish up with rekord buddy 2.0 . To no surprise it will not be out pre 2016 but who really thought it would be? Lol

Yes I'm impressed by their release schedule !! And now that Serato has removed the tempo matching, I have no scruples to leave SDJ !!!
Regarding the library migration I'm sure Pioneer or Rekord buddy has already a plan for that!

I'm only waiting the dvs support which will come soon if Pioneer continues this release frequency

Obviously Pioneer wouldn't know where to start with library migration. It is on the end user to know what he/she is doing with the .xml library file. Even with Rekord Buddy as that is in fact all Rekord Buddy is.

RBDJ is pretty awesome indeed but it is no Serato by any means. Support alone leave way too much to be desired for me to consider it as my primary platform.

Rekordbox DVSis coming !!!

=> www.instagram.com

Odd.. I was trawling for Rekordbox DVS news constantly over the last days... and nada, zilch, niente.... and all of a sudden there's a random Instagramm snapshot with a working Rekordbox DVS system which is not mentioned anywhere...?
Guess I can keep my fingers crossed still as they are since October for a rekordbox DVS to finally come out... yay.
c.

I am curious if the mobile (iOS) version of Rekordbox will have access to Pulselocker. Also curious if Rekordbox itself will or just Rekordbox DJ. Then comes the question of the CDJ's themselves.................

Should be interesting in the upcoming months to see what happens

Ya... I only hope that they will support asio soundcards so I can use my Rane or NI6... Really don't want to buy yet another soundcard which is different only in the logo printed on it....

I totally understand. A universal card would be great so we all can pick the program we like to use.

I don't think you will have to face this decision as thus far Pulse has made it pretty clear it will be only Pioneer hardware and no actual sound cards. As in it will be controller or mixer only. Not the best way to do things I agree but it is what it is. It is my understanding you can use any sound card you wish anyways. Without midi though this is pretty much useless IMO.

I haven't used RBDJ in a month or so so I am not 100% sure where they are at. Gonna look into over the next few days in hopes of some things I may have missed.

I already have the usb equipped pioneer mixer so I am ok while at home but the mobile aspect is the question - only few clubs do invest in the 900nxs or 850s... Having no mobile option would kill the dvs.. :-(

Agreed but after asking multiple times I got nowhere. Could be Pio just keepong it secret and also would NOT be the first time that Pulse simply had no idea what he is talking about (he is only human after all) so this is obviously not gospel. One thing is for sure though DVS will not be available on anything BUT Pioneer hardware as this is Pioneer we are talking about.

I am with you guys though. REAL progress will be made when there is ONE universally recognized device natively supported by all software. Even IF you must purchase licenses separately. This way they still make their money and you are not stuck paying for licenses you won't be using as you do when the fees are incorporated into the hardware itself.

Dave has the latency issues with the cdjs been addressed yet??

My 30 days was up awhile ago, lol! Might spend the money and lease it or rent it or whatever it is they call it and check it out but thought id ask here first since some of yall know about that problem.

Thanks!

YESS. That was hit two versions ago if I remember correctly. They actually pump out new versions often with some real fixes. They have also been sticking to their release timeline to the day thus far.

Agreed, but I don't think Pioneer see much potential in that market.
Pioneer probably consider the mobile market covered with their controllers....

rekordbox DVS coming this Summer, still in beta for the moment.

=> www.instagram.com

Damn I know its just yet another black vinyl with a white sticker but it looks soo sexy :-DD

im hopeful that pioneer dvs will be strong. would be nice to be able to just use rekordbox and do all work so it works with flash drives and the pioneer cdjs.

i played along side a guy playing cdjs and rekordbox and it was much louder(was playig thru a djm900srt) than serato DJ. was kinda surprised because sdj is pretty loud but it was clear the cdj outs were super hot.

I have my SL3 for tt and XDJ. When I firstly played from my XDJ (from the flashdrive, not hid) along side with my tt from sl3, I noticed how loud the xdj was.
But don't get tricked - its just because there is no limiter and autogain on the cdj/xdj - just turn off the autogain on the serato and you will be on the same level.
Maybe after years of using the dvs I am used to the sound from the SL and to be honest, I like it more than the sound from the CDJ - somehow softer without such aggressive highs.

What I like on the RB is the fact that I can use the library everywhere and if there will be also a moble dvs, I will be on the moon... All the library features like matching tracks and tags are something soooooo great. Until I tried, I never noticed how much I miss such advanced library in the Serato no matter what everyone says...
Better library and detailed waveform in hid and I would never look anywhere else than Serato but with the advanced library which works everywhere and upcoming dvs support on the RB, I am really not sure.... :-)

true, i did turn it off, its just crazy how loud they are. they are somewhat harsh, but it reminded me of SDJ just louder. neither sound as good as SSL.

Wasn't the superior SSL sound issue fixed via SDJ 1.8? Even the worst of the worst seem to have shifted their opinions serato.com

"Just to clarify, for those using DVS devices (e.g. the Rane SL2, Sixty-Two etc.) the sound quality of Serato DJ 1.8 and Scratch Live should be exactly the same. If you are experiencing a noticeable difference then check your setting such as auto gain, master volume etc"


- Serato

its pretty easy to tell its not the exact same sound when playing on large systems. i use sdj 99% of the time but ill use my sl3 box occasionally with ssl just to see the difference.

ssl still sounds better.

I was under the impression 1.8 literally removed any chance of this assuming your levels are set correctly. The software was applying a limiter that is no longer present. Anyone else claiming this? I only ask because that was the leading thread for this and every person who responded after SDJ's response changed their stance on it.

I don't use SSL ever anymore so I couldn't say personally. Just seemed literally impossible for this to be true anymore.
I am actually surprised they are not just supporting Serato CV. They took the look of SDJ, took SDJ's hardware, then followed in their footsteps with Pulselocker LOL. DVS next followed by Video........................ Next will be RB Flip followed by RB Remote..............

Don't get me wrong I love the competition and RBDJ is not half bad at all. I am just a little disappointed by the emulating/cloning that is going on. I wasn't really expecting a repackaged/rebranded SDJ.

Don't they already have a remote type thing you can use on an iPad??

I'm gonna spend the 20 bucks or whatever it is tonight and check it out.

Is my DDJ SP1 supported yet??

Because I can't live without that thing anymore, lmmfao!! 😜

Well the SP1 is "kind of" supported at this point via the CDJ-2000NXS2 "SP1 In" feature so I would imagine this would push things faster BUT. They (Pioneer) have either Rekordbox iOS which is a music manager that can send music wirelessly to Nexus players. They also have am app called Remotebox which IS a remote app but it ONLY works with the XDJ-R1 controller which does not even support Rekordbox DJ actually.

i dont see it as copying as much is serato and traktor are clearly the industry leaders. Most people expect whats on those programs to be on other programs if they are going to switch.

Think about how much people clamored for beatjump, which was traktor feature. SDJ added it and it made people coming from traktor comfortable so they could have the same options.

WHat we are looking at is like the domestic light beer market, where everyone's beer tastes the same, people just buy the best marketed beer to them(there was a doc on that and i cant find it).

sdj, traktor and rkb are all gonna be pretty similar its just what choice you want to make and what works best with your style of music AND your hardware.

I dunno. There are a LOT of DJ apps I use and RBDJ is the only one I can honestly say looks so close. Especially when Rekordbox already had a look (with dual decks) for itself. Furthermore the fact that there is a browser (which is different) and decks (which are different as well) is about the only similarities between Traktor and SDJ and TBH I don't see them as similar at all.

I mean Pulselocker? The fact also remains that the vast majority of the Rekordbox hardware is native Serato DJ gear. I dunno. If it were just me I'd be inclined to say it's just the nature of the beast but TBH I am very late to the party here. Most who have used RBDJ said it was a SDJ clone day one!! Could have taken some elements of RB 3.0 could have used from Traktor. I am sure the fact that they are mostly using SDJ hardware influenced this decision greatly as you generally want the hardware/software relationship to be streamlined as possible.

Is there an actual source for that "rekordbox DVS coming this Summer" statement ?

Also, Pioneer so far dodged every request to state if current Pioneer gear (i.e. DJM 850/900nxs) will work out of the box with Rekordbox DVS...
It would be rather ridiculous if DJM 850/900nxs are certified for Serato & Traktor DVS... but not Pioneer's own RB... :D
Oh well, wait and see... wait and see...

But yes, Library management is the new draw-card I reckon... and Serato & Traktor both need to step up, or continue to hope Damien/Rekordbuddy will fix their shortcomings for them...

c.

RekordBuddy 2.0 Beta went live today!!

there are a few differences within rkb and sdj for sure, but like i say, if you are gonna copy the leader, you might as well go after serato. traktor has its niche within europe/techno type guys, but i would think that serato would have the bigger market share in the u.s. So if you wanna take that spot its prob good to look similar to sdj.

thats why i can see switching to rkb and not traktor. very similar.

Makes sense I suppose.

Somebody help me. So again, RK's library is similar to SDJ or Traktor?

Sdj clone

Ok thanks Culprit.

you can use it free for 30 days. id say its similar, but not exactly the same.

So is it like SDJ whereas it's in player mode when not connected to a supported device?

nah, you can use the full program with any soundcard like traktor. even your internal.

where did you read that? link please.

I don't know where the link is but it is a fact.

ive already done it. it works with pretty much any soundcard.

Thanks Goodkat. I'll try it out this weekend. ;-)

its free might as well. unless you want to wait til dvs. i think ill buy it once it goes to dvs, 130$ seems fair compared to club kit and serato license at 169$ on sale (219$ reg wtf)

From the looks of things, you will need to pay extra if you want DVS functionality (hence the name "Plus Pack DVS" as well...); which Pioneer still hasn't commented on if they will be aiming to have it ready soon (~ Q1 or 2 2016), later (Q3-4) or some undefined point in the future (2017)...
Instead they announce some streaming rubbish (in my book...).
c.

As the dvs is in beta, I don't think it's anywhere far in the future...

From what I am hearing summer and tbh they (pio) have been pretty consistent with their timeline. The dvs pack will 100% cost more for most but I would assume some devices will be dvs ready. Plainly out if serato dj does it one way u can be assured this is how pioneer will do it being they are copying just about everything else lmao. Hence the streaming announcement NOW of all times with nine other than pulselocker........

None other than haha

Hmmm... their original statement, when releasing Rekordbox DJ in October, was DVS in December.

Also, for the RB users... silly question after poking it for a bit - is there a way to force/trigger ID3 writes ? And is there documentation as to what info in RB is writable to file/ID3 (I assume key/bpm is writable, not so sure about RB's Tags... which might be just stored in DB... does anyone know) ?
I like to be very conscious about the data/metadata, i.e. what is written when... and supposedly it's possible to write metadata/ID3 info, but I have not seen my 3.2.0 demo do so (automatically when editing, or a way to tell it to write out metadata...).
Churs.
c.

Actually I was thinking of something else anyways and both are wrong LOL. It is Feb if I am not mistaken.
"The only information we could glean was that this is likely to appear in February"
djworx.com

RIP Serato => djworx.com

Rekordbox DJ is on fire !!! I've never seen a software which grows as fast !!!

If the reliability follows the same speed, there will be a huge crater in Serato side...

Why can't we just be happy for Rekordbox. If someone does good it does not mean all others will fail.

I will stay with Serato for the long haul if for no other reason than the people. Serato listens to its people................... Pioneer listens to wallets and wallets alone.

They (Pio) are doing a great job and I am happy to see all the hard work but they will soon run out of steam if for no other reason than there is no other ideas left to steal from the other DJ apps!! LOL funny but also true. Probably WILL see stems, def will see DVS, def will see video, prob see some sort of Bridge/Ableton Link, etc. I have a strange fear that what is GREAT now (healthy competition stirring the pot) will turn out to be a problem later.

I know it is human nature to sometimes positive things into something negative but TRUST when I say the worst thing that can happen is RBDJ being a Serato/Traktor killer. What do you think Pioneers next move would be assuming they did "kill" the competition as you suggest. I know the prices many peeps are willing to pay by the gear they own and comments they make. Not everyone is willing to pay Pioneer premium prices as it is. Imagine they do obtain a monopoly so to speak on the pro DJ business? They already boast 60% of the global sales of ALL DJ hardware (yes this means Numark, Denon, Rane, Allen & Heath, Gemini, Reloop, Akai etc. ALL TOGETHER make up the remaining 40%) the LAST thing we as consumers want to see is the numbers closing even further and the software falling in line right behind.


It is hard to know who is who and what is what when it comes to Pioneer as you never know who is paid to use their gear and who is using it as their weapon of choice. It is also to early to tell how they will ultimately do. They have the fiscal freedom to do the proper research and follow through with the proper development and keep things going with the proper support but we have seen them fail in these areas before so let's just hope for the best and stick to what works for each of us. I am excited I will get to use more of my hardware and kind of excited to see what I will be able to get out of my higher end NON pioneer hardware with RBDJ but trust I will continue to use and support all my favorite software. I have never been the type to limit myself to one of anything and I certainly won't start now.

CDJ's Vs. TT's.............. why not both?
Mac Vs. PC....................why not both?
PS4 Vs. Xbox One.........why not both?
modular Vs. controller....why not both?
Serato Vs. Traktor Vs. RBDJ Vs. Djay Pro Vs. Ableton Vs. Flow8Deck Vs. VDJ etc. Why not ALL??

Competition is always good for us, the end user. It pushes Serato to work harder for us, the customer. To keep us, the customer happy. You have to look at it like that. It's always a plus for us the end user, when competition wants to come in and balance the playing field. Options are a good thing people.

1000% agreed. I want to see more and more................ and even more after that but hoping current options disappear or "RIP" is NOT the way IMO.

Wake up Dorothy. You're back in Kansas.

???

Guys as Pulse told many times on the pioneer forum, there are no plans for the sl2 or sl3 device for the rekordbox DVS what means only DJM and DDJ will be supported (both solutions are very mobile.....), I think its pointless to argue about the RB qualities and chances any more.......

Djm very mobile? I kind of thought it was the most common club install mixer as we speak????

Furthermore what does this have to do with anything? It may not apply to you but there are plenty of people who employ multiple setups and hardware. I don't think supporting the sl2 or sl4 for dvs or not will hit them in any way.

Actually, a lot of mobile DJ's bring their DJM/CDJ setups....

Agreed.

Anything can be mobile. Sdj more than djm but djm is absolutely a install option as well imo.

Absolutely Dave :-D

As a matter of fact, all my 8 current regular venues all have DJM mixers installed.
Used to be A&H and Rane on a few occasions, but that changed the last few years...

Sl2 or sl3 LIKE device... What I was saying is that they have no plans to release a sound card which you could take with you to venues having no djm installed.
I am not expecting them to support 3rd party...
Anyway I can't see any use of a DVS which have no mobile option...

I dont think they see much potential in separate boxes these days. How has the Denon DS1 done so far? I believe Pioneer rather just sell complete mixers. Now that they have 850, 900, s9 and 900mk2m all club install ready, I think they rather go for that market.

Again, I do bring my S9 to a lot of mobile work, and now again into the club.
Also, a lot of their controllers can run DVS.

Thats sweet they rather sell full mixers but nearly all the small bars or small clubs will never buy an usb equipped djm as such investment would never pay off. Not everyone is playing on a venues with big budgets where is the djm installed or rented.....



You do but I don't take my 850 with me and I am not to buy a console just to use the dvs.... Thats one of the reasons I am using the turntables - I don't need any console... Thats ridiculous.... :)

Gotcha, belive it or not, most my venues are actually bars & small clubs, with a few exeptions. Guess I'm just lucky. All things considered, I do live in a part of the world that still has a fairly healthy economy..

I hear you, and I get that. So I guess you're "limited" to serato and a Rane box then :-) Tell you what, I'm not switching software anytime soon, I love SDJ ;-)

Fingers crossed for your local venues to upgrade their equipment eventually, or for you to move on to even better venues :-)

Tbh if I am doing a gig I make sure I have what I use. If they don't have it I will bring my own for a premium. If we can't come to an agreement with this I just don't do it. I suppose this is the benefit of no longer depending on this as my primary source of income though. When I used to rely on it I would basically get the job by any means while staying as cost effective as possible. I just could not pay the bills I have or buy a house on my dj salary tbh as fun as it was.


I get what you are saying a bit more though. While I still feel like the best option is always to opt for the better hardware (especially with amx, mixers, and other cheap options) anyways. Tbh I have not had to not have I wanted to use any of my so boxes for quite a while.

Rekordbox 4.0.6 is out now with midi mapping for every device , but no DVS :-(

I am pretty sure at some point they will release a sound card just to test the market. I mean, at least half the moves they have made in the past 2-3 years has been pretty surprising to me. Maybe they might want to consider selling a piece of hardware like a sound card so people can use rekordbox with their older hardware, which would be a hella cool move on their part because they are always getting heat for releasing new hardware and leaving some of their customers with older equipment out in the dust.

Just an idea though, it wouldn't cost them much to do it. Rekordbox DJ is still in its infancy age and is moving pretty quickly.

Not in production, but I think they might consider other lost sales.
ie they would rather sell a mixer than a sound card.....?

The question is if someone making a decision what to buy, would decide for such budget heavy hw change or rather not move to RB at all...

Time will tell, you never know. My guess is that Pioneer will decide after seeing how well the DVS add-on is received. Wherever there is money to be made, I expect Pioneer to be present.

True

100%

These folks are catching up... DVS already added!

rekordbox.com

For the record though... I only use the Pro-DJ Link option myself.
I'm just watching around what's up lately :)