*Let the flames begin*

This actually wasn't my idea, as I'm against it personally.
But a friend of mine (who uses Traktor Scratch) says
"DJing isn't BEATMATCHING!"

So I'm beginning to wonder how much easier/fun our jobs would be if we had an auto beatmatch feature? We could be much more creative.

Now don't on me. And don't say anything about ITCH.

What are your thoughts? Pride aside, you know it would be sweet.

SSL already has auto-beatmatch. Here's how it works:

1. Put your tack on, and slide the pitch slider until the BPM matches the BPM of the tune you're playing

2. Cue it up and fine-tune it, either with your ears or the waveforms

It's hard to get any easier than that, especially considering that any sort of auto-match would need fine-tuning anyway.

That's not auto beat match though. That's just beat matching. And it doesn't stay matched like it would with auto beat match.

auto beat match sucks!

NEVER.... THIS SHOULD BE A PRO SOFTWARE FOR PRO DJS!!! And real PRO DJs won´t need Auto-Beatmatch.

Michael Schmuacher also won´t use a Autopilot

You're assuming that auto-beatmatch would be perfect. I don't think it would, based on the characterizations I have heard of the auto-beatmatch function in ITCH from Serato employees on this forum. I think it would put the mix in the ballpark for you, but it would still be up to the DJ to fine tune and keep it matched. I don't know about you, but the main reason I acquired SSL was to maintain the tactile control of vinyl while moving to a digital music format . After years of working with just plain old vinyl, I can match beats in SSL so fast it's disgusting, and honestly, I'm not the greatest DJ in the world. If I can do it in 30 seconds, I'm sure better DJs than I can do it in ten or fifteen seconds.

I'm wondering what new worlds of creativity you feel would open up if DJs had an extra ten or fifteen seconds per song?

Yeah but boeing 747 pilots do :D...

anyway well said, auto BPM will just make SSL "yet another dj program for those who can't dj", ugrrr far from it.

Serato already makes beatmatching easy as pie. I just think it would be alot easier if the tracks stayed in beat.

I was thinking along the lines of VDJ's auto beatmatch button. It's near perfect if you ask me.

So use VDJ if it's near perfect. Why does SSL need to mimic the features of other platforms?

I was just talking about auto beat match in response to another comment.

And you did so knowing that the whole auto-beatmatch thing has been flogged to death on this forum. I just want to know why, i.e. what great new realms of creativity is auto-beatmatch going to open up?

the track does stay in beat if you match it properly!

*yawn*

plzzzzzzzzz do not implement auto bpmmatch in this great program...

it wil make it sooo les professional!! alot of people not knowing anything about dj'ing are sometimes already thinking: ooo he got a pc , so he is faking and using auto bpm match all the time!

So like Jeca says, leave this great program for professionals!! send them to virtual-dj with their 'hercules dj' console.... or any other crap...


grtz

Yes! i wuold lvoe to see tihs becaues i dnot hvae sufficeintly good co-orndiatoin to atcually mix tow reocrsd togehter. As yuo cna see form my tpyign.

+ Make use of the Estimate button
Otherwise you got the "horserase" going :D

Don't you people get tired of Bashing each other??????

8-track
real to real
tape deck
turntable
CDJ
Digital software

Hmmm, Pattern??????

Does'nt Matter!!! Embrace the future..Serato VDJ Traktor, whatever!!
You guys are funny, years ago you had to cut tape to make a track loop, echo etc.
Now you have a CDJ that can do this for you. So, just because you use auto sync so you could concentrate on whats most important (making people SHAKE there ass) ITS NOT A BAD THING.. its a TOOL. Does it make you less of a dj if you use a CDJ??

Playing a great set by reading a crowd and taking them where they think the want to go, is what being a TRUE professional is all about. Its not about YOU, its about the smilely faces in front of you, they don't give a rats ass whether you using autosync or not.
In conclusion, whatever helps us concentrate on the crowd, instead of fiddeling with a pitch control (witch still does'nt work properly on ssl)

Why not? If you dont want to use the beat match feature, i'm sure you will ignore it.

Oh, another thing- For the so called pro's >

Whats so great about playing digital files that sound like "KA -KA" on a large sound system? You are NO longer Playing with a beautiful analog sound.
Does this make you any less of a Dj? Other than the fact that your cheating because your not carrying all you crates of records and playing real Vinyl??? What makes this any different from using a so called "cheating" auto sync??

Bla Bla Bla

Thing is, learning to beatmatch two house records takes an afternoon. Learning to entertain a crowd has so far taken me twenty years and I'm not done yet. If you don't have the skill or (very minimal) dedication to learn to get to tracks syncronised, I find it hard to believe you have the dedication to learn the other aspects of the trade needed to be a good DJ.

I don't care if Serato add it, I wouldn't even promise never to use it if they did - I just don't feel like I need it.

if you want auto beatmatching then use Ableton and warp each beat of the track into the program - even the most random tracks can then be auto beatmetched. But like dj_penguin said - surely the whole point of using a vinyl emulation program like serato is to maintain the tactile feel of vinyl and you can't really have it both ways "Illuminatty"

To hell with auto-beatmatch, this is what SSL should have: "Auto Crowd Reader". Imagine SSL detect the overall emotion and vibe on the dance floor, selects the track automatically, loads it into available deck, beatmatches it, and all DJ has to do is either agree or disagree with SSL's seleection... how is that???

seriously tho, I think its time Serato & Rane increased the price on SSL, so that way, those who want the "real feel" and "stability" will know where to look and can afford it, and those who want "toys with auto features" will not even bother with SSL.

If someone wants Auto this auto that, there are plenty of other stuff that does them, and last i checked nobody was forcing anybody into getting SSL. or were they???

use VDJ then

Let's get for real. Scratch Live SL1 has already made it possible for even the most novice "DJ" look "Not Too Bad." Perfect Beat Matching is one of the differences between DJs with talent and the thousands of goons with expensive DJ equipment that are starting to make our art a joke.

Next thing I expect from non-talented "DJs" is an auto scratch feature and an Artificial Intelligence add on so they don't have to have the intuition to play the right song next based on the reactions they get from dancers.

SL upped the game for REAL DJs. We no longer have to carry crates of records or Cd's. We're no longer limited to what we brought in milk crates. Any easier and my 10 y.o. son can chop it up in the clubs with Jazzy Jeff.

go get fuckin traktor. and if ur friend tells u to blow him? why dont u do it ?!!!

o and why dont u be dj friends with pauly d, i bet he wants auto beat match too! loser.

hey lets add auto scratch too! im not a great scratcher, but i think it would SUCK if ssl had auto scratch, maybe if traktor put that in, i might buy it.NOT

Can we keep the discussion in here civil please ? It's not hard to discuss something without getting your pitch forks and torches out.

hahaha, alright fine. wheres my rope, lets hang this dood.

of= off*

I hope Serato never implement autosync feature. It would take away the credibility of the djs using it. Keep serato Industry standard.

Personally, auto beat match would take all the fun out of Serato. Also (since SSL is vinyl emulation), if you auto beatmatch... what is the point left in using SSL, since there' would be no vinyl emulation left?
You'd be better off using Ableton Live, which has a lot more possibilities than Traktor. You could stop caring about beatmatching, throw in tracks and breaks and just start working the effects instead.

no thanks, no beat match for me

what he said^

A big fat NO to auto beat match!!

For all the people getting hung up on a DJ's ability to beat match two records, that is just a skill required to perform a continuous smooth set.

DJ'ing is about music selection people! The best beat matchers in the world will still get booed off if they're serving up garbage music!

-1

LOL I am reading these threads and it's funny how sensitive some are...

A) Professiona Dj.. what is it... you think not having a autobeat match will make this application less professional. Come on guys.. i hear the crying from Dj's who are trying to market them self as (I can dj and the guy using VDJ is not a real DJ).. it's about how much you book and the money you make this business.... if Serato added an Ato-beat match, i promise half of your asses would use it and not cry about it when you need it. If you think you don't need it, DON'T USE IT.. Just like no one pushing you to buy Serato, no one is pushing you to USE IT... It is a functionality a SOFTWARE should have like any other SOFTWARE in the market... come on people your crying like girls over something so simply.

THE APPLICATION SHOULD BE COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER APPLICATION... IF YOU OPT TO USE IT THEN DO SO, IF NOT THEN DON'T AND USE YOUR TRADITIONAL BEAT MATCHING SKILLS.

STOP CRYING OVER PROFESSIONAL OR NOT. SERATO SHOULD IMPLEMENT THIS JUST TO BE PROFESSIONAL WITH THE OTHER PRODUCTS.. AND FOR USERS CURSING ON THIS FORUM.... GROW UP..

go read the other threads moron...

You should know better by now Henry. Any more out of line personal attacks in here and I'll lock this thread.

can u just lock the thread now ? how many different threads do we have to see about this subject???

oh and sorry.

I agree on the fact that the functionality does not determine whether you're professional or not. Your choice of tracks is the most inmportant thing that will make you a good or a bad DJ, the mix itself comes into second place.

But I do believe that it would be a mistake to implement autosync/beatmatch/... because it would go against the very nature of Scratchlive. Scratchlive is a DVS (Digital VINYL emulation System). If it can beatmatch by itself, then the very thing that makes Scratchlive so great compared to the rest (stable and quality Vinyl emulation) would be rendered useless and an obsolete feature. And we would need a lot more bells and whistles to keep thing interesting since beatmatching is no longer part of the work. And Scratchlive does not have all those bells and whistles, Traktor does. So basically you would end up with a software that tries to be similar to the rest, but just not as good.

I don't think Scratchlive NEEDS to implement this to "get with the times and compete with the rest", simply because it's a different category of product. Compare it to Scratchlive being a Ferrari and Traktor a luxurious SUV. I am NOT saying either is better than the other one... just different.
Implementing auto-beatmatch into scratchlive in order to compete with the rest, is like trying to build a ferrari that can compete with the all-in SUV. You would need to make it less fuel-consuming, comfortable suspension and seating, plenty of storage, in-car entertainment, video for the kids, etcetera... But then you would end up with a Ferrari that is not as good as the luxurious SUV (because in the end that's not what it was initially designed for), but it would be far less good as a sportscar as well because of all the sacrifices that have been made to accomodate all the new features. Same goes the other way around, you can never make an SUV as fast as a ferrari.
But the thing is... it doesn't need to be. The Ferrari doesn't need all the gadgets and extras of an SUV, and the SUV does not need to be as fast as the Ferrari because they are simply different categories. They don't need to compete, they can coexist.

Scratchlive is for the performant straight-up Vinyl-type of DJ, Traktor is more geared towards people who like the bells like many effects and auto-beatmatch.

So to me, I would not like to see this feature implemented because of "professionalism", but because I feel it is unnecessary since it is not the nature of this DJ-system... and it would take away lot's of resources for the engineering of features that would make the software better in it's own category.

Please do not add this feature. Id imagine a lot of SSL box will go on ebay if it does. Id probably go CDJ if this is added

LOL... I wonder why people just don't go to the other DJ software out there that already does this instead of requesting it here?

That would be cheatin. Like drivin an automatic car. Then anyone wud be able to dj just like any1 can drive, even though yes we do have those other softwares with that feature. But if you wanna be pro, doin it manually is da way 2 go! Like drivin a manual stickshift, I definitly wouldnt want that or it wud be no challenge and borin! Please do not implement on our great professional software.

To say that those who are against auto-sync will be using it if they install it, is just like saying that those who want auto-sync will get more creative because of it.

Face it. The vast majority of those who want auto-sync will just get more lazy because of it and no, they will not get creative. If you weren't creative enough with just two turntables (pre-DVS) or 2 CD players, there is no "tool" in the world that will help you get creative.

That's exactly how AutoSync works in Traktor. It matches the songs for a few seconds, than it's up to the DJ to keep them matched. IMO, it's harder to DJ using AutoSync in Traktor than it is by aligning the waveforms in Serato. I tried both, and Traktor's AutoSync goes off beat quick. Everytime you keep pressing the auto sync button the track jumps and it sounds horrible. Traktor doesn't have waveforms side by side so DJ's have to actually learn how to mix unless they use the horrible sounding AutoSync that actually throws them off beat. lol

I think it's fine the way it is.. Two thumbs down for auto-stink.

Serato should make and market auto sinc, people that want it would have to pay $300 for that upgrade.

the next dude who wants to write "auto sync" should be blocked after the "auto s"

why r u guys always come up with it again??

no AS ;-) ever

lol cuz it's becoming more obivious that more people want it. lol

if you want auto sink, this is the real deal here!!!

www.blogcdn.com

<----Ex-Traktor user.
This is incorrect. There is a bar above the waveforms that shows you how far off beat a track is and whether it is behind or ahead of the beat. IMO, It's an even easier visual system to read and beatmatch with than Serato. Also most loss of autosync problems come from incorrect beat grids. Learning how to beat grid properly (manually) will solve 99% of the difficulty you are describing.

+1

hard but true

Any Tard that needs an "autobeatmatching" needs to turn off the "DJ HERO" and get some real skillz, otherwise, u'll just be a POSER thru the eyes of real DJ's, anyone can learn how to mix, hell, my kid brother picked it up in two weeks on matching beats, it's not that hard. Can you tell a story in your mix whether it a freestyle/set mix, is what makes you a real Dj. It's kinda sad really for a person to actually thinks he's actually dj'ing by using this feature in any event, house partys, clubs, ect,...
Playing "DJ Hero" doesn't make you a "DJ" and "Dance Revolution" won't make you a good dancer, it'll just make you look silly, it's all a lie man hahaha

NOOOOOOOO serato is basically the last of the more true to DJ software available. I love the fact that version 2 has the chance to illiminate all beatmatching lines etc. You can still cheat easy as if thats what you desire. Learn to Dj. Go buy some turntables, it will make you a better dj in the long run trust me.

LOL That You Just mentioned that my friend always accuses me of being a screen watcher But the other day I put V2.0 on his laptop and put it in that Screen Mode
and he was train wrecking like Hell! I almost bust my Gut Laughing so hard
He tryed to play it off and be cool by saying he wasn't used to playing on Beta Ware
I was just like why dont you switch the screen mode back to screen watcher mode
so you can mix again

Lol had me a good laugh But 4 real the smart crates are the shit ! V2.0 is the best ever
can't wait for the Bridge that'll be awesome !

i still dont see how u can use the smart crates to a huge advantage. i guess i will have to wait for a more in detail video. i seen the one with konix, but i dunno...

I Personally just like the View better also it seems to cut my time in trying to find my next tune although trying to get the right album art has been tough to do but the bigger is definatly a Big Plus

edit : the bigger type is definatly a Big Plus

lol some of you guys and your friggen egos.

I bet 95% of you here drive automatic cars and have never touched or shifted a gear in a standard car in your life....if you wanna keep it real drive a stick shift if not then your not a real driver same thing with this beatmatching dilema.

Auto sync was introduced to make a djs job more easier, like a automatic transmission was introduced to make a drivers job more easier. technology changes people get with it.

I started out as a vdj user when i had no gear just my laptop and i used the autosync button when i did gigs and things it helped me out alot. then i got gear had some money got the audio 8 for relatively cheap didnt like traktor at all so i traded my audio 8 for a sl1 and now im a full time serato user. However the autosync really sped up my skills as a dj, i learned phrasing, different transition techniques faster than i would have had to learn beatmatching. Now with serato i have no problem beatmatching i can get it in sync within 10-15 seconds. I use serato at the club i dj at simply because i love beatmatching now i just get more into the grove and feel the music more however if i do private events like a shitty stag n doe or just an event where there is no vibe what soever... i use vdj auto sync n kick back i see nothing wrong in that

erhm... The automatic gear is mostly a US thing I guess. Here almost nobody drives an automatic (thank god, cause I hate automatic) :oP

Totally understand where you are coming from. I want to use you analgy. When you purchase a car, mostly a sports car you have a option in a manual or automatic. Same with purchasing a DVS, you have a option of purchasing a DVS with the autobeat feature or purchasing one without. Clearly you purchased one with out so why complain. You can just make a car a manual when you want it to be then change it to an automatic. Serato is intended soley for not carrying crates around basically. They made to where DJ's still have the actual real felling of DJ'n and using there skills.

*cough* no offense, but... at that point you called yourself a DJ?


I don't care about being an auto-driver or not. But when it comes to DJing...I *do* care.

And for the record - no, I don't drice an automatic car.


Finally...Eh... too many contradicting words in one sentence.

I drive a manual car.
a. more control
b. no one can barrow it

Exactly, I got my drivers license in 1990, and I've driven automatics less than 5 times.
In European countries you normally need be able to shift gears to get a regular licence.
(Same year I got into vinyl collection, started DJ a few years later)

[rant mode]I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but it seems to me a lot of Americans (not all) are so lazy and wants to have everything "done for them", they don't bother to walk, and when they get into a car, they cant even drive it, if its not automatic. Man, just looking at a general American TV series there's so much over weight people, how come ?... ;-) [/rant mode]

- 10000

The place where your analogy falls flat is that the decision as to whether a car has a transmission or a gear shift must be made at the time of purchase, and is rather pointless to retrofit later. Software can be altered much more readily than a car can. Case in point: the earlier versions of Serato didn't have pitch lock, didn't support 3 decks, and I'm sure a few more page logs of features that have been added later. When I'm not posting here, I'm posting on Slashdot, where car analogies are a bit of a meme and every one of them gets scrutinized like this.

To the guys worrying about unskilled jocks starting out with SSL and using the autopilot, realize that they sell Vestax controllers in the Apple store, and that most of the jocks you're talking about get their tracks from Limewire and run a cracked copy of Virtual DJ. They're not going to drop $700 on an SL3, plus CDJs/turntables. People who hire them probably won't be hiring you, and vice versa.

I love how inflammatory this whole topic is on these boards. I think it's time for a few people to get a grip on reality. Ready? Read the following line closely...

<b>95% of the people you will play for couldn't possibly care less whether you can beatmatch by ear, by looking at the waveform, or having it done by the computer.</b>

I'm a former Torq user. I'm a former Deckadance user. I'm a current Mixmeister user. I watch Disney Channel shows and have every Hannah Montana soundtrack in my music library that I take to every gig. Wanna know why I'm saying all this? If all of you anti-autobeatmatch jocks are "professional DJs" because you can beat mix with your eyes closed (and I presume you are because you're worried about the image of professional DJs if it becomes easier to do what you do) then pleas read the following line closely:

<i>I couldn't possibly care less about what you think of me, either.</i>

Do you want to know whose opinion I care about? I care about the opinion of the bride who I saw yesterday who insisted on meeting with me the day after she got back from her honeymoon to give me a $100 bill as a tip, told me to give anyone I wanted her cell number so that she could give me a glowing review to any prospective clients, and who offered to clean up a PR mess about a false accusation someone had spread about me.

Let me let you in on a little secret: I didn't beat match AT ALL at her party! *CAN* I beatmatch? yeah, I'm generally halfway decent at it. Can I beatmatch all that great with 50's and 60's music that ranges from Elvis and the Beatles to Beach Boys, Frank Sinatra, and some obscure Zydeco group I'd never heard of? Not a chance, nor do I think autopilot would help me there, either.

I may be coming from a bit different angle than many of you guys who do club gigs since I'm a mobile jock, but if all I was worried about was being able to beat match, and my biggest selling point to this bride was that I can beatmatch manually, I wouldn't have gotten the gig in the first place - I probably would have lost it out to the guy who offered to do it for $100 less than me.

That bride has NO idea what software I used, she doesn't CARE what software I used, and ultimately I wouldn't have been able to charge extra for using SSL over Torq or Deckadance. None of the people dancing in the clubs you're spinning at, or drinking at the bars you're rocking out at, would be able to tell you which of SSL. Traktor, Torq, and VDJ doesn't have autosync, which one you're using, or whether you lined up the beats by ear or by eye. They will, however, remember whether you played their favorite song and how they danced until they passed out from drinking too much.

The executive summary goes something like this: I don't care if Serato adds autosync to SSL, but if all you guys are worried about is the fact that it won't make you special for proving you can beat match without software help, the presence of autosync isn't your issue.

Joey

Joey, what you are missing - the argument is about the direction of the software. Is it "pro" equipment? Professional DJs simply do not need auto-sync especially in a DVS. The purpose of this software as stated is to simulate vinyl. Serato has software other software if you need auto-sync, its called ITCH. If you take all the functions from ITCH and put them in SSL why would we even have two softwares. If you want auto-sync from Serato, use ITCH.

Exactly! It's not like autosync will bring Armageddon to the world. It's just, ... there's no point in adding it to SSL when you also have ITCH which is approx the same thing as SSL+autosync-vinylemulation.

It's not like SSL would suddenly suck. It's just that this would be a development intensive feature. I'd rather have them invest that development in other areas, especially since ITCH is already that answer to autosync

As a professional video editor (at my last job anyway), I had a copy of Adobe Premiere and didn't NEED the video editing functions of the Nero burning suite. So I didn't use them.

I have a mixer with ground screws. Since my TTX turntables use the ground from the electrical outlet, I don't NEED the ground screws. So I don't use them.

My phone at work has 12 speed dial buttons. Since I call virtually everyone in the building at one point or another and thus rely on the phone directory, I don't NEED those buttons. So I don't use them.

My Primecuts subscription includes a decent amount of country music. Here in New York, you'll be hard pressed to get a request for a country song beyond Taylor Swift or Shania Twain. I don't NEED the country songs, so I don't use them.

My cell phone can record video. I've never been in a place where I've wanted to record a video on my phone. I don't NEED the feature, so I don't use it.

Let's make this a bit more personal and list out some features in Scratch Live that I don't use:
-Third Deck
-Record flip loads next track
-iTunes integration
-Smart Crates (Really Serato, was it THAT hard to add "folder path" to the criteria?)

The general tone of this thread makes it sound like some jocks DO think it will be the end of the world (or at least their careers) if autosync is added (Shout out to Evil_Banana, btw). Your statement is a bit contradictory - you say that autosync is already in Itch, yet it'd be development intensive to add it to Scratch. I'm by no means a career programmer, but from what I can gather the two titles share much of the same code base, so at least half the work (and likely the heavy half of figuring out the math of autosync functionality) is already done and is likely pretty simple to integrate into Scratch.

AKEIM, please define a "professional DJ". If we base the definition on your statement and make it "A disc jockey who does not need any assistants matching beats", then I'm not a professional DJ...but my tax return showed that, despite the fact that I bought more gear last year than any other year prior to it, I still turned several thousand dollars in profit. You'll have a rough time trying to convince the bride I referenced in my last post that I'm not a professional; she used that word more frequently than any other when she described me. You'll have a rough time convincing the cheerleading camp that's hired me for nine years in a row. THAT list can go on and on as well. I'm no more professional now that I have an SL3 than I was last year with my Connectiv. I'm no more professional now because of my Denon HD-2500 than I was two years ago with my Cortex HDC-1000. What gear you have doesn't make you professional.

Also, consider that I can probably beat match several hours of music that doesn't fluctuate more than 5bpm from the last song I played...but it's not uncommon for me to need to jump from 90 to 110bpm, or 120 to 135, from rock to pop to rap to techno, all in half an hour, none of which "responds well" to being scratched in or backspun. I can't get away with dropping electro house all night, either.

Also AKEIM, consider the $700 price tag on an SL3. Even if you're using a cheap American Audio dual CD deck with an integrated crossfader that cost $300, you've spent $1,000 on your rig. A $200 craigslist hack won't have the funds to do even that well - he's much more likely to have a bunch of limewire tracks and a pirated copy of Virtual DJ, the latter because it works out of his headphone output with no special audio interface required. A $700 cost barrier to entry is a pretty solid way for Serato to make sure that Scratch Live is only used by people who take DJing seriously. Personally, I doubt that SSL will take that market just because it adds autosync. Like you said, there are Itch controllers for that segment.

Itch works with said controllers, but doesn't do vinyl emulation. I still don't care either way if autosync is added, but to make an argument in its favor, a jock who gets lazy just because it's available is probably lazy now. If it still works for him, great. If his shows start to suck, that's his fault, not autosync's. But like I said before, few people who aren't DJs themselves particularly care whether the transition was due to your 1337 sk!11z or because you were autosynced. If you don't believe me, grab one of the 30 minute piss break mixes from Crooklyn Clan and drop it, let it play for 10 minutes straight, and see if the crowd cares that you didn't have your hands on the turntables once.

Sorry the list is discoordinated. It's early, lol.

Joey

Joey, have you tried out ITCH?
If you do you will find that load on CPU & Memory is higher than using SSL.
And you will also find that quite a few have problems running it under Windows.
I've used itch myself, and I think its a great solution with the NS7.
But you can't argue that it still is less mature compared to SSL ?

Personally I don't really care if they add auto sync, if it sells more hardware, then good for Rane/Serato.. and us. Something that will not sell more hardware, is if SSL would become less stable. And that's always a concern when adding any type of new feature. If Serato were to add auto beatmatch to SSL, then they would need to make a good solution and not just a half a$$ed one. And this would increase the load on a system, it might still run smooth, who knows...?

What you're seeing in this thread is peoples concern about this issue and the fact that the developers would spend their time on this instead of another feature they want more...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, personally I don't care about the stigma.
There is already a stigma when it comes to "laptop dj's" anyway. And most are silenced once they're told the price of the rane box/mixer anyway....

My my car rant post above was about cars... well, mainly... ;-)

I've not personally tried Itch for any appreciable amount of time, no. My thesis above was based on what the previous posters had said.

If you're correct in that Itch is more CPU intensive and less stable, then think of it this way: someone over at Serato is going to have to tighten up some code for Itch. You won't find a whole lot of NS7 users happy with unstable software, like you said. Whether that's directly related to the autosync subroutines or not is a matter of speculation since Serato hasn't opened up the source. If we presume that they are related, then odds are that the code will be tightened up, and the question is whether it'll be pasted into Scratch. If they're not related and the code is already stable, then adding autosync to Scratch should be a trivial task that won't destabilize the platform anyway.

Personally, I'm just pissing and moaning here because I really have nothing better to do right now. More to the point, I just can't stand it when people are like "ZoMg AdDiNg AuToSyNc WiLl dEsTr0Y sErAtO n i'LL b CoMpEtInG WiT tEh NoObZ!!!!1111one!111". I've come to the conclusion that Serato will pretty much do what it wants, regardless of what the users actually ask for. The FLAC thread is nearly six years old, and we haven't seen that. The auto import thread is a mile long and also several years old.

Quite bluntly, Rane and Serato have my money. After six years they won't (yes, WON'T) implement features so simplistic and so heavily requested, and all the support I *HAVE* gotten has been out of the generosity of the community here, then I have no threats to make. I anticipate nothing, and they've spent several years showing that what I want has no bearing on what I'll ultimately see in the software. That, my friends, foes, and fellow DVS users, is why I ultimately don't care about autosync. It doesn't really matter what I think.

Sorry about the rant and the thread hijack.

Joey

Haha, that made me laugh, but you're wrong on one account, Serato does absolutely care about what they're users want, and even more importantly what they need :D

And I have yet to see a trivial, yet good working, auto beatmatch.

Now, gotta get ready for my gig tonite, later...

Don't need Beat Match, but could do with it making me a cup of coffee. My wife's out and I don't know how to turn on the kettle.

no need to take what I am saying personally
no offense



I was speaking more about the equipment being a 'pro solution' and who it is made for. No its not the equipment that makes you a professional, but there is professional class equipment. Scratch Live is was created to emulate vinyl. It was made for 'Scratch DJs'.
Pro- equipment is usually specialized instead of trying to perform every single function that can be thrown in.

Yes, there are plenty of types of 'profesional DJs' who might not need to beat match.

But beat matching (imo) is so fundamental that even wedding DJs should be able to pull it off. Club DJs should be able to set up a PA.



like I said - not talking about 'you' rather the equipment



Right - Serato has a solution for people who want an auto sync solution. And I do not have a problem with people wanting or using auto-sync for certain reasons. If you are doing allot of other creative type stuff - live remixing production type stuff (even then might as well use ableton) But using auto-sync because you cant beat match is something else.

I do not care about creating some type of price barrier, or any kind of barrier to anyone just starting. I am strictly talking about keeping pro instead of gimik.



good

How about adding multi-tracking, and midi production, and cd authoring, and broadcasting, and karaoke, and mastering.... you have to draw lines someplace. I think auto-beat matching makes plenty of good sense as a place to draw a line.



I dont think it is Seratos job to keep DJs from being lazy. I do think it is Seratos job to create at least one pro dvs solution. auto-sync is not pro

My experience has been that Serato and Rane both listen to and consider most if not all the request they get. And even if I would like more feedback and explanations they do give a reasonable amount. Far more and better then plenty of other companies out there.



I have had pretty much the oposite experience.

Yes I am often frustrated with various shortcomings, the time it takes to implement certain things, and some of the direction - but I do not think these things are to spite me personally and I am sure that they are trying to create the best software possible.

I started writing this from scratch three times already, and I'm not sure how to phrase it without sounding like I'm just an unreasonable troll that Serato would be perfectly justified in ignoring. I'm sorry if I come across that way anyway. Ultimately, the lack of a high contrast mode and the fixing convoluted process of importing tracks have both been on the feature request list for five years. During the course of that time, there have been other features that I have felt were nice-to-have but not nearly as mission critical. Granted it's my opinion, and I don't fault the devs for having a different one. I just can't share your positive feelings yet.

Joey

Joey,

I am glad you took my analogy into consideration, but the point of the analogy was if you want the auto beatmatch feature, you are better off by going back to Torq or Traktor. I really don't see the feature coming anytime soon with Serato.

Joey,

I am glad you took my analogy into consideration, but the point of the analogy was if you want the auto beatmatch feature, you are better off by going back to Torq or Traktor. Although you do have a good argument I really don't see the feature coming anytime soon with Serato. Reason being it's been requested so many times, so many people object which pretty much over rules the crowd who want it. But as you compared some of the features that you claimed you didn't use, I agree with some of them, like the record flip feature and the iTunes feature these features where created, because Serato thought those features where money makers. At some point they where, so why would they take those features out risking people who still use those features to switch. Now the three deck people use that is why they took so much time to make it possible and also that's why they invested so much money in designing the 68. Moral of my story I don't think Serato would get the autobeat feature unless Traktor have a major down fall and all the EDM spinners come to Serato. My thoughts!

Please do NOT add auto beat match!! It would take even more integrity out of this art form. I mean c'mon people!! You can bpm each track and organize your crates that way. If you can't beat match wax or cd's with out help from a computer you shouldn't be djing.

The only difference between Serato and all the other software out there is ...... You really have to have talent to use it. Unless you're a " Milli Vanilli DJ" then drücken Sie die Taste Synchronisation (press the synchronization button) :p

That really isn't true, as much as I find sync pointless, there are a million DJs around with no talent that just use the visuals in SSL to be able to mix.

If they need visuals they are still learning how to play

Exactly, but they don't need talent to be able to fake it just because the use SSL rather than something with sync.

Good point

I was actually against autosync, but changed my view on it as my playstyle has changes a bit.
Many Serato djs are afraid that their credability will vanish if this feature is implemented. I understand that. I would say its a tad more Traktor djs around here in Europe than Serato djs and I don't think the Traktor djs have less credability than the Serato DJs, they are only able to do more.

I never see Serato DJs play more than 2 decks. And by more than 2 decks I'm not talking about beatmatch 2 tables and scratch on the 3rd deck. Or beatmatching 3 in its orginal BPM. I'm talking about continously layering loops and tunes Richie Hawtin style. It's just too risky for Serato djs to do. Even the best of the best would screw this up at some point.
Don't post youtube videos of djs mixing more than 3 decks for 2 minutes. I'm talking about entire live sets.
I like beatmatching 2 decks, mixing some funky housetunes. But I want to be able to express myself musically and create energy with more decks.
Then you could use the good old "stop being lazy lazy or buy another dvs" argument. Even the best of the best doesn't do 4 deck sets witout some form of a sync feature. And lets face it. Noone in their right mind would spend hours practicing something you can do with a push of a button.
Thats like going to school and study a occupation that doesn't exsist anymore becuase the machines has taken over, and that role and are no longer needed.
Being a dj is also about expressing yourself with your music and creat a vibe and I'm all for funktions that can help me achieve that.

i see no reason to add this button. that's one big reason why i use serato.

if you need it beatmached, use the bridge. there you have also all this fancy controller options from ableton and a lot more effects than in serato. and you can save your live performances.

^ I agree

I am firmly anti-auto-anything, except when the software gets to the point where you have four decks + six samples = 10 tracks all unsynced.

Yes, I wish that the sp6 would all sync - that way I would not really have to use Ableton to do some of the same stuff.

BUT - why dont I just go ahead and use Ableton in the first place?

there is already a sync option in place - so I dont think it really needs to be added

Using a product because it doesn't have a feature doesn't make sense to me at all.
You think you get more cred as a dj for this? I think Serato loosing more customers because of the lack of this feature. EDM djs are tired of beatmatching 2 decks and traktor is the only logical choice if you want to be more creative.
I don't think Serato would loose one single customer if they implemented this feature to be honest.

I'm using the bridge for home use. But would never do it live. It crashed 3 times on a span of 2 hours. It's still unfinished and my computer specs are little too low to get it to run optimal.

use a better computer and wait for the bridge to be stable

I really could care less if Auto Beat Match is put in or not. It is very simple, at least i think so?? If that's what you want then buy what you need (Traktor, PCDJ, Mixvibes, etc...).

I just bought SSL1 in 2007 AND I love it...Tried Traktor in Sam Ash DJ Dept (Philly), it was nice & tight; tried Numark Cue download demo, it was ok took some gettin used to tho (Never tried the others??). Went to 4/5 clubs in Philly...the DJ's were using SSL, bought it!! Then practice w/both 1200s & CD Decks, which i prefer..they're lighter.

Seen other DJ's use some of the aforementioned programs...some rocked it & some sucked. So programs nor add-ons matter. Who uses SSL??? Those that like it or love it. I still use 1.9.2 until I get a better PC. But Last nite (Fri) the crowd of 100-120ppl who ol skool jammed, line danced, dougied, disco'd & dropped it low w/no hands while i made it rain w/peter piper gettin bodied black & yellow by whateva up in da club til the cops came knockin...didn't care IF i had SSL or IF I could beat match (Even tho I did + scratch-ins + drops + horns...you get it ) they were there to just have FUN & We did (It was the clubs 2yr Anniv Party + My Bday).

But what I really needed was for SSL to be compatible w/ALL DJ CD Decks (I use NDX800's -Love'm too bcuz they work for me) so I could have used my own Deck effects (SSL Effects aren't as good as NDX800s or the P-909's...IMO). To me compatibility w/ALL CD Decks via down loadable Zip updates for what YOU need to operate your decks effects & special features would be more worth the science behind it than Auto Beats... Madd Respect 4 All you DJ's...Keep On Rockin It. Peace

+1 on this

Look at the clubs, cdj, controllers ect are taking the place of technics and now there discontinued it will only speed up the process of evolution.

Having skills on the deck via beatmatching, scratching, remixing are all vaid and to want to add features that allow a product to evolve is common sence.

Just becuase a feature is there dosent mean you have to use it or it suddenly makes all you turntablists or the product less crediable.

If you have skills no matter what you use or how you use it wont stop you getting noticed.

I agree with a lot of the suggestions that are giving; being able to play WMA files would be nice, as well as the AUTO BEAT match for those who desire it.

**Make these optional applications that persons can download and install if they desire.....giving those who brought and paid for SERATO the option of being heard and the functions created and utilized....as their own choice.

I really do think technics are going to be around for a long long time. I actually think CDJs are going to vanish before the technics. Don't think the scratch djs are going to give up the Technics anytime soon. When everyone goes DVS and midicontrollers there will always be some djs that will make vinyl their thing. I think a combination of midicontroller and turntables will be the future. NS6 or S4 with turntables.

Just want to make 1 thing clear, being able to beat match is not talent, i have used my trusty 1210's and mixer for years and loved them, I can beat match in my sleep, however since I started laptop djing and using various software I have used auto sync and I don't think it takes away from the art form in fact it adds to it, if you have talent, it means that you can concentrate on more creative aspects of mixing, I use auto sync for creating live on the fly mashups that really entertain the crowd, which at the end of the day is what we are there for, not to be able to play 2 records at the same speed, I really don't think any dancefloor
really cares if you are beat matching or not, as long as you are entertaining them and making them want to dance.

Booooo to Auto Beat matching.

+1

All this talk about VDJ, Serato and a auto sync tool makes no sense at the end of the day people in a club or house party don't want to know if you using a auto sync tool or doing it manually weather with serato or VDJ what the want to know if that they come out to have a good time and that the dj can make the have the best time of there lives. It's not always about how much you know and what u can do but how u can survive in the entertainment industry.I'm no big time dj I use Vdj but I bought the ssl because i believe that there is a lot more to learn and explore as a dj weather i'm a pro now or later. A real dj isn't someone who could jus use one thing but can mix using anything at anytime and any place thing about that first before you start to talk about being a professional dj.

I recently fell back in love with the latest release of (competing product that may or may not rhyme with "Pork"), for one particular reason - while yes, you can autosync tracks themselves, I'd be perfectly content if there was a way to autosync the sampler. The Bridge would still be the gold standard for doing complicated sets and on-the-fly remixes and mashups, but even adding one or two drum loops to my sets have made lots of songs sound a whole lot better and my transitions more seamless. Without autosync on those, I'm either stuck letting the loop determine the tempo of the set or killing the loop during the transition. Don't want it between tracks? fine. But at least give it to the sampler.

Joey

EDM djs are tired of beatmatching songs.... come on mate did you reali just say that... theres djs out there that use 4 decks pure vinyl without a hic up... take andy c 3 decks every weeks 30 - 40 tunes in an hour set without goin out of time once... now to all the house and techno djs (the main traktor users) if they cant keep that simple beat or loop in time then they dont deserve to be where they are... these djs only like the auto sync so they can big up there ego chanting to the crowed insted of gettin down to the music... yes i understand from a creative point you could do abit more with auto sync but it only takes 10 - 15s to get a song in time anyways and is'nt that the fun of this art... geting the tracks in time being creative on the mixer effects etc and KEEPING the tracks in time....

If the DJ is the is the natural center of attention in a venue, the DJ needs a presence the same way a band do. Also IMO it is no less fun to use your extra time creatively than beatmatch by ear, so why would your sacrifice the quality of your mix to maintain your elitest preconceptions that you're a better DJ than a software DJ because you don't use sync, even if they sound better and the crowd prefers them?

The rapture is near. Beat matching does take talent. I'm sure you can beat match in your bedroom, but try staying on point in a club while layering EDM tracks over each other is another story. Frankly, I'm sick of these "Auto-sync" dj's. Why don't you just make a mix on Ableton, convert it to a CD, then pop it in, and act like you are hitting buttons & such.

Not only is beatmatching an essential part of deejaying, it is fun to do. I thinks its satisfying to be able to have 2 tracks locked in within seconds, layering both, while riding the pitch, staying on point.

If Auto-Sync was the only option available, I would quit deejaying. Damn microwave deejay's.

It takes times and work, but certainly not talent.

Fill a dancefloor and keep it that way is talent.

Try keeping 2 house tracks on point while you are layering over a slippery techno track over them, for a total of 3 tracks at the same time. Also, from your bio picture, it looks like you play on cdj's which is way easier to stay on point.

auto-sync? auto match? really? seriously? If you are even concerned with such a function; you have absolutely no clue what you are doing....YOU"RE LOST!. DO the knowledge & get your science down. Learn to manually count bpms....learn needle drops on vinyl; learn what count the track starts on......know the key it's in.......know whether its a 4, 8, 16, or 32.

I laugh at the comment about professionalism is making people dance. NO IT IS NOT.
DJ'ing was and will always be about true skill.......can you mix; can you cut; can you juggle.?
If you can cut or beat juggle; tap juggle----sorry to break the news; but you're just a schmuck that THINKS he's a djay.

If you never learned how to really get nice on vinyl.......what makes you think you'll be some super djay on serato by using auto-match........At the end of the day; REAL dj's will know you're whack/fake/unskilled/clueless.

Do the science before you find an easy way to make your dreams of being a DJ come true. LOL

for real.

correction:

If you CAN'T cut or beat juggle; tap juggle----sorry to break the news; but you're just a schmuck that THINKS he's a djay.

christ... I can't believe I'm weighing in on this debate, but:

I think it's all in how you use the technology, and although I think comparing traktor to SSL is a little 'apples to oranges,' it's just blurring the line between DJ, Remixer, Producer, etc. (when used 'properly,' anyway)

For your basic mixing of deck a > deck B > deck A, etc, I think that using the auto sync feature is pretty lame. If you're not doing anything else with your time, you may as well beatmatch manually, and it's obviously a useful skill if you ever intend to play out on something that's not your native gear. I'm sure we've all seen X amount of youtube videos of lame djs banging out favorite song after favorite song, with no real flow, respect for phrase matching, timing, and jabbing away at the sync button. I do not defend this position.

For mixing on multiple decks at once, it guess I would say it's forgivable. Ideally, if you're going to mix 3 or 4 decks, you damn well better 'Jeff Mills' the situation, and rock it manually. At the very least, if you're manually beatmatching two tracks, and maybe auto-syncing the 3rd, then use a little finesse. Like the above scenario, there are way too many videos of people slamming together multideck mixes that are just god-awful. If you're totally killing it with a looong mix of 2 tracks and want to pepper in a 3rd, then yeah, whatever.

If you're totally cutting up the music with layers and layers of loops, effects, multiple tracks, a capellas, samples, etc (a la Richie Hawtin or Ean Golden), its definitely allowable, and can be a useful creative tool. These are all things that, unless you have multiple hands, or an EXCELLENT midi controller for everything that's not directly controlled by the turntables (sample banks pitch and volume, effects parameters, etc), you just can't do with a 'traditional' DVS like Serato. However, this totally blurs the line between a regular DJ mix, and live-set by a producer. At the end of the day, I think that if you're using Sync to help manage your time, but still WORKING HARD behind the decks, then you've totally used it the right way. Although he is literally the poster child for Traktor, go check out that vid from a few years ago of Richie Hawtin explaining his traktor set up...

Why would you use auto-sync with a DVS instead of using ableton? I think it's fair to say that it's a good option for remixing/mashingup/heavy-layering, without giving up actually being a DJ. You can mix like you normally would, but if you want to do a live remix/mashup/whatever, you have way more flexible options. (or, you could use something like the bridge if you use Ableton for other applications) Personally, I'm intrigued by the option to do all sorts of things on the fly once in a while with an auto-sync feature. However, if I had to do an entire set on Ableton, I think I'd gouge my eyes out.*

However, I think Serato is really a different beast than Traktor. SSL has primarily been about using a control source (timecode vinyl or cd), on a 'traditional' player (TT or CDJ), whereas Traktor has always had better options/integration of external controllers. I think that more 'controllerist' DJs are the ones that make best use of the sync feature, so it was a natural progression for Traktor to add a sync feature (or maybe, for controllerists to tend toward traktor. I forget which came first. Chicken or the egg, you know?) It doesn't make it any less professional... it's just different. Nor is it any less professional to DJ with traktor as a DVS and simply not use sync.

Do I think Serato needs an auto-sync feature? Not really. For serato users, it seems to be a non-issue, and traktor has that sector of the market already covered, anyway. Do I think that auto-sync is a horrible scourge upon DJs? Definitely not. There are always going to be bad DJs that use auto-sync, regardless of what company it comes from, and there are going to be good DJs that can really capitalize on technology, without sacrificing their technical skill.

*Disclaimer: I was a SSL-1 user for a long time, until I finally sold my DJ gear. (I had aging gear, it was time to upgrade anyway, and I needed cash for grad school applications.) I'm looking to get back into DJing again, and as much as I'd love to go with Serato again, I'm thinking I may go with the Kontrol S4. I'm looking for 4 deck options in an all-in-one controller/soundcard, that leaves me squarely with either the Xone XD, Kontrol S4, or Pioneer DDJ-T1 (I guess there's the NS6, but I've never been a fan of Numark gear. And how I wish the S1 had 4 decks, or the DX had better jog wheels). In terms of price/features/functionality, I'm totally leaning towards the S4. Hence, I'm intrigued by the possibility of layering loops, stems, a capellas, samples, etc, but I'm not looking to become one of those hacks on youtube anytime soon, either. AND, I can still keep a copy of SSL on my laptop, so I can still play out on 'standard' gear.

DJ play music made by other people. If you are the center of the event than that means you're jumping up and down like a tool "I played this dawg....I played this". The biggest problem with the american dance culture is that for some reason the dj is now the center of the performance. People are expecting something, so idiots jump up and down like tools. Sure, you could call this "presence", but at the end of the day you're just up there playing music made by other people. If you're really good at it then nobody is looking at you.

Point #1, a dj plays music, he doesn't play instruments. He will never take the place or provide the same experience as a band. He's not supposed to and trying to make the entire thing look cheap and cheezy.

Point #2 I know this will fall on deaf ears (pun!) but people who mix are engaged in "active" listening. They aren't standing up there wondering if they should pump their fist again (I just pumped my fist a minute ago, is it too soon to pump it again?", or fuck up a perfectly good tune with a shitty filter while you make the "I have to take a shit" face. You're up there mixing and listening and getting deep into the groove in a way that sync doesn't allow you to do. You are "inside" the groove and wen your job is to play grooves to make people dance the best place is inside, not on the outside worrying about stupid shit like what kind of pose you should be making or how minutes until your next shit pioneer effects breakdown.

Point #1, you forgot about Turntablism eh?

I know. That's really the only time I want to see a dj front and center. I'll watch Kid Koala, but if I go see Derrick Carter play I really don't even want to physically see him.

Just checking

It's not hard to beat match, I personally don't have a use for it as it removes a big part of the fun and accomplishment in mixing. With that said I am never against additional features & I'll elaborate that in the shortest way I can.

If some people use Traktor (biggest competitor for Serato) & one of their biggest reasons is because of beat matching then Serato improves their chance at more customers, those customers generate extra funds for Serato and shows them adding to an already great product works & perhaps we'll see more changes such as more effects tossed in the software. That I think we can all agree on is one thing we'd all like to see, more effects. So if adding beat matching gets customers (it would) then I'm all for it as it would more than likely lead to bigger and better things.

Because that is the art mixing and the most fundamental part of not only mixing, but being a DJ and artist. My 10 year old daughter can auto sync- but I'm teaching her to learn the art of beat matching because that's what makes you an artist rather than some kid who bought a some CDJ's or VDJ, loaded them up, synced them and now thinks he's a sick DJ because he can move between two perfectly matched tracks. It's a soul thing I guess.
Besides I thought we were talking about beat matching and auto sync, not playing digital files. Digital files are played through records that you have to mix yourself in Serato in case you didn't know. Besides, what do you think cd's are- analog? Sorry brutha.
I will agree with you that analog, especially vinyl, is the best sound and warmest sound quality possible. A pristine record sounds better than anything.

could be merged with that one serato.com

I can understand an auto sync for newbies...but SL is a PRO software. I learned on pcdj. No sync, tempo matching display, or waveforms. Then upgraded to SL. It made things easier I'll admit. But when I got my NS7, the sync button was never pushed. Not even once. Couldnt even say what color it glows. I prefer my technics anyway. If you cant cover the computer screen and still beatmatch without the aid of sync, pre-analyzed bpms, or tempo/beat match display, go with vdj or something else. The whole point of dvs systems is for djs who want that old school vinyl mixing that they had when you had to lug around wax crates. I never did. But in my opinion, if you really want to experience how the dj scene has led up to all the features, kick it old school. Before software came along the set up was 2 decks and a mixer. No fx, videos, midi controllers. Im not saying if you use any of the before mentioned features that youre not a real dj, but try a gig with only 2 decks and a mixer and nothing else. Then maybe some people out there will stop complaing about dumb sh**.

Sorry for the rants guys. But its not only on my mind Im sure.
Auto sync/beat match in SL.....hell no.

i'm afraid yes, serato confirmed that it will come. just no certain date yet

They confirmed it where and when ?

Sync for ITCH is quite understandable and needed but for DVS system like SSL , it's just not needed, what's the point when you use pitch to control speed.... So I'm interested where can I see they confirmed sunc in SSL ?

in the thread i linked above

Uhm... no. The thread which you have linked to last doesn't have any posting from any Rane or Serato employee.

Can u pls link me the post where it says that ?

Hi guys

It was me asking Shaun from technical support, and he said so.
I just mailed also support@serato.com to ask for an approximate date. I will post here when they answer.

I paste Shaun's answer here:
>>>>
Hello David,

Thank you for using Rane hardware and Serato's Scratch Live software.

I have been told that sync is coming, but Serato has not specified when it will be implemented.

Feel free to e-mail the guys at Serato directly for more information -->> Support@serato.com or call +64 9 304 0899 (Mon–Fri, 10am–6pm NZT)

nice work again, thanks once more :-)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NO No nononononon

No

NO NO nO

Looks like Apples Move with FinalCut pro X

forget about the pro software,,lets make it so beginners and use it and sell millions of copies, who cares who we piss off

If the syncing comes, don't use it if you don't like it. Personally I think it would be useful in the sample player but wouldn't use it for the main decks. Whether newbies, dj-fakers experts, professionals or whoever chooses to use it or abuse it or not makes no difference to me; I just continue to DJ in my way. That's the most important thing.

A M E N

back to vinyl it is then, its a shame as the majority of the users of this program do not want sync... SL3 for sale open to offers :-D

lol

I fail to see how having the option in the software to sync has any effect on the user whatsoever.
If you want to use it, use it. If not- don't and how does it possibly affect you if the option is there?