edit "I just wanted it" to be as good as scratching on the real deal.

I am not sure, if I just do not know the right way to scratch yet. but I mean, when I try re creating a scratch i heard on vinyl, I can not even remotly get the same sound

That's a tough call right there. I don't use an NS7 on a regular basis, but when my friend brings his NS7 over to practice I notice that I can actually crab pretty well. But on my Technics with a Vestax 05 I'm no good at crabbing. It's a lot easier for me to work using my turntables though. I think my crabbing abilities is more influenced by the fader differences than anything else. If we are focusing on the platter feel then the Technics win hands down.

It all depends on how YOU like it. I had the NS7 for about a year. I sold it and got some 1200's. I just love the feel of real 12" vinyl. But for people who started on something like a cdj 800 then the NS7 is definitely in the same category when it comes to scratching. Like I said. It was good, but my personal preference was the 1200's.

Midge, didnt you JUST buy the NS7, how long have you been DJing...the problem may not have anything to do with the equipment as much as you needing ALOT more practice. Scratching isnt one of those things you just buy the equipment for and instantly become a pro

Exactly, once you get a scratch technique down you can pretty much perform it on any piece of equipment. Is one easier than the other? Well the techs allow you much more room as far as hand placement, but your a beginner so you should be learning the basics first.

Just look at the track record for ANYTHING made by Numark. Compare that to Technics 1200's.

The NS7 will be discontinued and obsolete in 2 years.

Numark has always made unreliable products. Their track record is the WORST. The CDX I was lent years ago stopped working after an hour of use. Literally dead. Worse is dude who lent it to me thought I did something to it. I have a 15 year old technic that is working like the day I bought it.

as much as i want to buy a NS7, I agree with you guys about Numark. The only controller I would buy, is if Pioneer came out with one.

Plus with the V7 you're limited to using Itch which is a stripped down version of Serato. You can't use The Bridge, SP-6 sampler, and I also dont think Itch supports video.

^^^ All should be coming soon. Don't think I remember SSL having all that in it's first two years of release either...

And Itch is not a stripped down version of Scratch

The very same could be said about Technics as well.

You have to remember that turntables are on life support. With sales at 5-10% of what they were 10 years ago, and the frequency with which Technics are being removed from booths, the future is not looking good for decks. Not at all.

^^^ +1. Embrace technology

I personally like the NS7 but wont buy one until it's compatible with SSL and VSL. Until then I'm keepin my 1200's (not that I would sell them anyway even if I bought the NS7)

I had the NS7, sold it and bought V7s. Just received two 1200s. I thought it was important for me to acquire some Techs and learn on them being that I started on controllers. Want to be as well rounded a DJ as possible.

im all about embracing technology..when the technology is supperior
to what its trying to replace.

Who's to say it isn't? I think that's a personal, subjective issue

I agree and my personal subjective opinion is that they have yet to produce a midi controller better than a tech, my reasoning, none have a 12' platter, more area on the cylinder =s greater control of the manipulation

I suspect that the reason for lack of 12" ITCH controller is to protect Scratch Live. It's just a matter of time though. If an ITCH unit doesn't appear, you can be damned sure that a Traktor powered one will. The demand does appear to be there.

I agree but going back to my original statment that started the line of conversation

We all embraced technology or else we wouldnt be here on the serato forums. I will not however embrace anything made by numark.

I personally want the denon 3700s for my setup.

The V7s are better than the 3700s IMO. Only (dis)advantage [subjective] is the ability to use SSL. Hopefully that will be negated soon with Itch 2.0...

Check the my last post here with the videos of flipside finally doing the 3700s justice.

serato.com

3700s are nice, but hardware wise the V7s have an advantage. Only advantage to V7 is the ability to play CDs. Software is different story.

I started DJing in '96 on two technics 1200s. I had the NS7 for about a year before selling it, and then buying two more technics. Out of today's selection of controllers the NS7 is as close to vinyl as you can get. I can do just about any scratch on an NS7.

Beat juggling is possible, but takes some getting used to because of the smaller platters.

The only problem is the mixer section. The faders are garbage and will ultimately prevent you from your full scratch potential.

Nothing can compare to the feel of real vinyl, Technics, and the mixer of your preference for turntablism.

I have not tried the V7s, but I imagine they would be better for turntablism simply because you can use any mixer.

so anyway.... to answer the original question...

I've had both 12s and the ns7. something is different when scratching with one over the other.

mine seemed to have a very slight delay and made it hard to scratch like 12s.
it could have been my laptop or the factthat we were doing a 4 table setup and my external outputs were goin into my buddy's mixer. but who knows.

I loved the auto sync feature and the cue points being right at my finger tips.
yea, I said it... I loved the auto sync feature. wgaf

i like the ns7 too. it actually works really well. i would imagine the faders to bleed in less than a year though. and i believe they're non-replaceable.?

either way, theyre kinda dope.

and oh yeah. there is a slight delay i think.

scratching does feel a little bit different than on 12s.

agreed there is a slight difference with the two. but not that much.

I used to have a set of 12s but sold them a while back. i got back into DJing in 09 and decided to go with the NS7. No it doesn't feel like 12s but the feeling is so great and such a great machine that it is a great substitute for 12s. Although in a flight case it is heavy but a set of 12s and mixer in single flight case is even heavier. I have seen some people say they can fit it in a dj booth. I have been able to fit it in every booth I have been in. The sliding shelf on my case gets in the way sometimes but I can easily take that off and use an uber stand. Hope this helps but there is no replacing 12s only substitutes. I'm young but I learned from old school DJs.