ITCH General Discussion

Talk about Serato ITCH software and controllers.

ITCH Vs Virtual DJ - which do you prefer?

jshpro2 12:51 AM - 29 November, 2010
ITCH pros:
-Beat juggling works better, due to platter responding to pitch speed. Also due to platter jogging by the same amount while paused/playing.
-Increased performance for some users.
-Increased stability for some users.
-Some users feel it is more stable

ITCH cons:
- Limited to 2 decks
- No FLAC support
- No Video support
- Some users feel it is less stable
- Speed of updates

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Virtual DJ - pros:
- up to 99 decks, theoretically. (depends on controller, skin, etc.)
- Ability to customize the skin (Ex. www.virtualdj.com )
- Auto-headphone cueing
- "Smart crates", can add crates with specific queries ("Songs played no more than 5x in the last 30 days" - after all you don't want to get into a rut)
- Has a sampler which can be controlled from the NS7FX
- Can re-map buttons, knobs, sliders, platters, LEDs, with an advanced scripting language. Want to be able to use the platters to scroll through songs instead of a knob? It can be done. Want the behavior of 1 thing to depend on the status of some other switch, it can be done, Want the beat match LEDs to show phasing of the beat grid? It can be done, etc..)
- Adjustable settings for scratching algorithm. Can boost "realism" or "latency", or lower, independently or together (to get the right balance of quality & performance)

Virtual DJ - cons:
- No "instant doubles"
- Platter rotation speed is always constant (may be able to map to a function of the pitch control's speed, just not tested.)
- When in really low pitches, have to move the platters by a *huge* amount to move the playback by a little. Definitely not realistic at pitches above or below 15%.



Feel free to expand on this list as you see fit. Please try to stay objective, if something is subjective (Ex. you know people will have differing opinions) cover both points of view.
kraal 1:06 AM - 29 November, 2010
i'll be the first to chime in just too point out first i don't take offence to your VDJ praise as you think.

but just like the s4 and traktor at some point these converstaions lean towards what has more features. I own both VDJ and ITCH i have not touched VDJ for almost 2 years now. I like itch cause for what it does it works well.
jshpro2 1:18 AM - 29 November, 2010
I'd just like to also point out, I am getting intermittent issues with both platforms. Serato ITCH is definitely more 'stable' in terms of audio quality, but as far as features remaining to work over time I would lean with Virtual DJ.

With virtual DJ I have encountered some glitches with the audio quality, admittedly. (after about 8hrs of continuous use, I randomly started to get static on headphones & master out). I have never had this particular issue with ITCH.

On the other hand I have had issues with ITCH that I do not have Virtual DJ, for example with ITCH, when I go to load a song or scroll thru a list of songs, sometimes the whole application hangs for 10-15 seconds, in the meantime certain buttons on the NS7 don't respond, let alone any visual updates on the screen. I have never had the hanging issues on Virtual DJ.

So my opinion is both have issues, and would love if the two companies teamed up.
kraal 1:22 AM - 29 November, 2010
i think what happens is we all fall into compairing. ITCH to be like VDJ or ITCH to be like SSL.... however I would rather ITCH matures on it's own merits and i know that is very vague at this point. I think the frustrating thing about itch is how 'slow' development seems
wadup 1:26 AM - 29 November, 2010
I also own both, started out with vdj, but once I was introduce to ssl and itch there was no looking back. Itch platter response is Incredible, for me it make vdj feel like newbie program. And to top it off, serato waveform, it is second to none. Vdj still have the same lame ass, unprofessionally looking waveform, so grosss. Now you mention a lot of features that vdj have and itch doesn't have, but what good is dj software if the fundamentals are not up to standards. Features will come, but I'm not in no hurry. Serato nailed it with getting the fundimentals right first and features second.
jshpro2 1:26 AM - 29 November, 2010
This is a thread about comparing though, you're not falling into anything but the intent of the discussion.

I have noticed the 'slow' development, its not a primary issue for me (as much as the drop outs, and confirmed regressions). If itch were working 100% for me it would be my clear cut preference.
kraal 1:28 AM - 29 November, 2010
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. If itch were working 100% for me it would be my clear cut preference.

well see itch IS work 100% for me so you know where i stand on this issue :)
jshpro2 1:31 AM - 29 November, 2010
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I also own both, started out with vdj, but once I was introduce to ssl and itch there was no looking back.

Are you running ITCH and somehow feeding it's inputs into SSL to get the advanced features?

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Itch platter response is Incredible, for me it make vdj feel like newbie program.

After tweaking the settings in VDj I thought VDj was more responsive. But due to the platter speed being constant, that is not true at all pitches.

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And to top it off, serato waveform, it is second to none. Vdj still have the same lame ass, unprofessionally looking waveform, so grosss.

Valid opinion, but thats your opinion of the *default* skin/wave form. It can be customized, and plugins could theoretically be written to color code the wave form exactly the same as ITCH. Personally I like VDj's wave form better (but it can be changed, is the important bit)

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I'm not in no hurry.

Agreed.

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Serato nailed it with getting the fundimentals right first and features second.


I disagree (for the record). Ex. 1.7.1 added a new feature (beat grid) and introduced 2 regressions they have confirmed, at minimum. (instant doubles not syncing on certain hardware, unable to select specific loops in 1.7.x). There are many other reported regressions that have yet to be confirmed.
jshpro2 1:33 AM - 29 November, 2010
OH YEAH ANOTHER HUGE DIFFERENCE:

Serato decided to not support 50% of the CPU market share. Virtual DJ has no such policy as far as I know.
wadup 1:39 AM - 29 November, 2010
Which was a great Idea on serato part, trust me. If vdj Did this from the get go maybe they would be more reputable, but instead what happen was people where able to crack the software and almost everyone became dj over night...
wadup 1:42 AM - 29 November, 2010
I guess I can thank vdj for introducing ssl then itch to me ;)
jshpro2 1:44 AM - 29 November, 2010
What does the CPU have to do with how it is cracked? I am not going to post instructions for breaking the law, but I can assure you the CPU has nothing to do with piracy rate.

The repercussions for running ITCH on an AMD cpu is glitchy audio, increased drop outs, and/or increased latency. I am still using it on AMD, so they did not block their software running on an AMD cpu (like you would imply)
wadup 1:46 AM - 29 November, 2010
Sorry misread ur post, for some reason I thought u were talking itch being tied to a few controllers. Sorry, carry on
ChrisD 1:47 AM - 29 November, 2010
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Serato decided to not support 50% of the CPU market share

Quick clarification here: AMD chipsets (not CPU's) are problematic with hardware that require high USB throughput.

Serato does not support AMD-based computers because of hardware incompatibilities. You might also run into similar issues with VDJ depending on which audio hardware you use it with.

Serato is not alone in it's lack of support for AMD based systems.
jshpro2 1:50 AM - 29 November, 2010
Thanks Chris,

What other applications don't support AMD? This is news to me. What makes me bitter was being left in the dark, as to the technical details of the decision.
Ragman 1:50 AM - 29 November, 2010
I prefer Itch over VDJ because:

1. VDJ has a noticeable lag (especially scratching) whereas Itch has none that I can detect.
2. I like the one-to-one features of dedicated Controllers to Itch software.
3. I like Itch's crate management feature over VDJs.
4. Serato's waveform is the best in the biz.
5. IMO Serato apps are extremely stable especially when coupled with a Mac.

These are all my opinion of course. Actually the correct comparison should be VDJ to SSL.
jshpro2 1:53 AM - 29 November, 2010
I ran a Google search for "amd high speed usb issue" which turned up 0 relevant results.

@Ragman. VDJ is both "itch" and "ssl" in one. You can literally have an NS7, and 2 vinyl decks, and do 4 deck DJing on one laptop.
ChrisD 2:30 AM - 29 November, 2010
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Serato is not alone in it's lack of support for AMD based systems

Actually, this may be a false claim on my part. I'm not aware of other companies who explicitly don't support AMD systems.

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What other applications don't support AMD?

Ignoring the use of the word "support" (because that was an incorrect statement on my part), the problem is typically not with software applications but with USB audio devices.

There are numerous reports of people experiencing poor audio performance on Turion based systems with all manner of USB audio hardware. These are often left unresolved and end up with laptop manufacturers blaming audio device manufacturers and vice versa.

We made the difficult decision to drop AMD support because we simply can't guarantee the sort of audio performance our customers expect.

I'm genuinely sorry to hear that you were unaware of these issues jshpro2. We've endeavored to clearly convey this information via the minimum specs that accompany each ITCH controller.

Off topic, sorry...
jshpro2 2:39 AM - 29 November, 2010
On the package it states "Minimum requirements: 'core 2 duo 2.4GHZ'"

Nowhere does it state "AMD not supported". It would be reasonable for me to assume that means "or comparable".

Like you pointed out, you can't name one other company that has dropped AMD support, nor have you provided any external sources indicating issues with AMD hardware.

Since, we can assume NO company has ever taken such an unprecedented action as to drop AMD support - that any company wishing to do so would state explicitly so.

Stating the "minimum" requirement is a core 2 duo would not lead a reasonable person, operating under rational common sense, to conclude or inquire about AMD not being supported.

This is entirely on topic. I just want my NS7 to work. IF that means buying Virtual DJ then I'll buy it. If it means buying Traktor I'll buy it. Or if it just means I need to upgrade my CPU, I'll replace my motherboard & CPU, its no big deal. However you're asking me to go out and make another hardware purchase, based on something that was never disclosed at time of purchase, with no guarantee that it will help my issues, with no external sources to backup claims of AMD issues with other software/hardware.
DJFLUKE 2:50 AM - 29 November, 2010
We all know the real answer behind the AMD story. Serato is known for flawless support on MAC's. No MAC's have AMD, therefore this is why they dont recommend it. My old Dell has an AMD processor and it ran fine on VDJ doing audio/video for 2 years and i used it a few times on a buddy's VCI 300 with Itch and it ran ok. I just strongly feel, Serato's priority testing is on MAC's which all have Intel.
jshpro2 2:56 AM - 29 November, 2010
kraal 2:57 AM - 29 November, 2010
jshpro-- on the ITCH product page
www.serato.com
scroll down under the photos
IMPORTANT: Please read this FAQ if you are looking at buying a computer with an AMD Turion or Athlon processor.
ChrisD 2:59 AM - 29 November, 2010
All ITCH controller minimum specs make mention of the lack of AMD support on serato.com: serato.com (links to individual controllers are near the bottom of the page).

An example of another USB audio device working unsatisfactorily on a Turion system: forums.m-audio.com
General problem with USB 1.1 audio devices on Turion systems: forums.amd.com

(I assure you there are plenty more).

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Or if it just means I need to upgrade my CPU, I'll replace my motherboard & CPU, its no big deal

If you're certain that your issues are related to the performance of your USB sub-system then I would say that changing to an Intel-based system would be a good move.
jshpro2 3:09 AM - 29 November, 2010
kraal - that isn't mentioned on the box, and no reference to the existence of this website was mentioned on the box. Shrink wrap licensing usually applies to text printed on the product packaging (Which differs from the EULA which is accepted during software installation). The time for mentioning "AMD" was on the outside of the box.

@ChrisD Ok, Thanks for providing external sources, that certainly helps :-) perhaps we can continue this in my help request. Is it better to keep appending issues to this thread, because I reported issues you didn't respond to, but when I bumped another user's thread that reported that particular issue you responded to us right away. Are you guys giving my other thread lower priority because its cluttered?

www.serato.com

As mentioned the major issues I'm having was a random crash during playback, and I included the trace. If you could look into why I'm having issues getting responses in a timely manner, perhaps we could diagnose that and I'll take appropriate action.
kraal 3:17 AM - 29 November, 2010
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kraal - that isn't mentioned on the box, and no reference to the existence of this website was mentioned on the box. .


you have a point i personally never saw a box for itch till i ordered it so the website was the place i looked
ChrisD 3:39 AM - 29 November, 2010
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Are you guys giving my other thread lower priority because its cluttered?

The Support Team are still on the case and never de-prioritize open tickets.

But the honest answer is that it's difficult for them to work through a help thread that has a number of new issues introduced into it.

It would be beneficial to keep Help threads focused on a single issue. There's nothing to stop you from creating multiple Help threads and work through them simultaneously.
jshpro2 3:47 AM - 29 November, 2010
I was not aware of this because it was never communicated my style was causing issues. What about things like typos I find in your documentation, I should group those but put functionality issues in their own help request from now on right?

By the way I was having issues with responsiveness of the play button, and when I scratched backwards it picked up the 'back' but didn't get that I stopped moving the platter back.

I had a video filmed and was about to report the issue, but guess what it was... virtual DJ running at the same time, sometimes virtual DJ would receive the command, which "stole" the command from being heard by ITCh apparently. Making sure only one DJ program is open at a time and that issue was solved.

I've been doing more cross-comparing with ITCH & Virtual DJ (this is after putting black electrical tape to cover my ITCH logo, haha, all in good humor). Turns out I still like ITCH better. I was even getting static over the audio with Virtual DJ, so that was probably an AMD issue, and one where despite you not supporting AMD, you actually seem to have better support for it. So kudos on that. I am glad you are allowing this thread to exist, as it is making sure people give each software a fair chance.

The frequency with which I encounter issues with itch is far less than with virtual DJ, but the fact they are occurring at all still unacceptable. But I will admit ITCH is damn better in terms of overall responsiveness. Especially latency between touching the platter & audio responding, as well as opening/closing the cross fader's latency (crab scratch comes out like crap on virtual DJ, but baby scratching sounds better)
ontime1269 3:50 AM - 29 November, 2010
Has there been any testing of ITCH on any newer AMD based computers with the new quad core processors or any line of their newer Processors? The Turions are pretty old. Maybe the current offerings handle USB better now.
jshpro2 3:50 AM - 29 November, 2010
Naw haha scratch the last part, all scratching sounds better on iTCH, even the baby. I guess I just liked hearing different sounds/scratch algos than I was used to.. but itches algo lets you hear more of the original audio during the forward swipe of the baby scratch, maybe some day an option to tweak the scratch algo within ITCH would be neat.
ChrisD 3:57 AM - 29 November, 2010
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What about things like typos I find in your documentation, I should group those...

Perfect.

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...but put functionality issues in their own help request from now on right?

Yes please. That would be a big help to the support guys.
dj ask 4:35 AM - 29 November, 2010
would u use an i3 for itch? highly unlikely so why even think to use a Turion? or Ahtlon? when they are comparable to an i3?

you dropped AMD based on their ENTRY-LEVEL LOW-COST PROCESSORS!????

IMO serato pushes mac so much because its easier on the customer service as well.

Apple started using AMD graphic chips. but some people in this forum have been saying AMD sucks period since I have been reading this forum.

Serato should hire more people to support the product or give forum users merit based on help expertise that way to create a helpful forum rather than pushing 2000 computers or nothing.. but thats just me.. I have a phenom that works faster than the next door macbook and im happy and well so not an issue for me..
dj ask 4:36 AM - 29 November, 2010
oh and the same people who attacked AMD from day one said apple was never going to use amd. yea right! eat that u know who u are.
Rebelguy 4:37 AM - 29 November, 2010
Was the point of this thread to compare VDJ vs Itch? It seems like it has turned into the OPs personal complaint thread about problems he is having with Itch.

How is it there are thousands of DJs working week in and week out with their itch systems but you, jshpro2, are constantly finding issues which you make seem are life or death?
dj ask 4:41 AM - 29 November, 2010
who cares rebelguy? if its working for u move on dude.

to stay on topic, I like VDJ becasue of some features and itch because of some other features. no loop roll on VDJ, ex...

now if itch had 4 deck support like vdj and a sampler that could exploit itch and possibly be better than traktor then I would never look to Atomix for anything..
Rebelguy 4:47 AM - 29 November, 2010
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who cares rebelguy? if its working for u move on dude.

to stay on topic, I like VDJ becasue of some features and itch because of some other features. no loop roll on VDJ, ex...

now if itch had 4 deck support like vdj and a sampler that could exploit itch and possibly be better than traktor then I would never look to Atomix for anything..


I care because I was curious to see what people said about the comparisons, not read through this dudes tech problems. How is he going to take his own thread off-topic? 0

I have tried VDJ a few times in the past but it seemed like the product wasn't stable and the sound quality wasn't on par with Scratchlive or Traktor. They have a new version which everyone is jocking and I wanted to hear about it.

So any other comparisons?
Ragman 6:28 AM - 29 November, 2010
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@Ragman. VDJ is both "itch" and "ssl" in one. You can literally have an NS7, and 2 vinyl decks, and do 4 deck DJing on one laptop.


@jshpro2
I was referring to the fact that VDJ is not really an out of the box, one-to-one app for dedicated Hi-speed MIDI controllers. That's why I said SSL would be a more apples-to-apples comparison to VDJ.
TRAKTOR PRO S4 and Itch are a better comparison.

But really the title of your thread was not about comparing.
So to be honest to the title "ITCH Vs Virtual DJ - which do you prefer?"
I prefer Itch...
jshpro2 12:21 PM - 29 November, 2010
@Rebelguy, how is it 1/5 every ITCH users has issues? I don't know, that's a question for ITCH support.

I am comparing ITCH to Virtual DJ. Both programs have crashed. I stated Virtual DJ had blaring static through the audio, and ITCH did not. How is this a "bash ITCh thread"? I am making a fair comparison.

I prefer ITCH, because 4 decks in VDJ didn't work right. If they fixed 4 deck support, or fixed beat juggling (so platters speed up/slow down) - I would prefer VDJ (they'd also have to address the crashing, & static)
kraal 12:25 PM - 29 November, 2010
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@Rebelguy, how is it 1/5 every ITCH users has issues? I don't know, that's a question for ITCH support.

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where do you get this statistic?
jshpro2 12:27 PM - 29 November, 2010
Have you seen the help forum? Granted it is a sign of a successful software company that users are having problems. I don't see how you can't agree that users are having problems tho.
jshpro2 12:51 PM - 29 November, 2010
jshpro2: so i switched to virtual DJ then back to Serato ITCH
jshpro2: serato itch is a lot more realistic
jshpro2: as far as making the hardware mimic analog hardware
my friend: realistic..
jshpro2: ya
jshpro2: touch the record the sound stops immediatly
jshpro2: scratch it u can actually hear the underlying audio over the scratchy parts
jshpro2: virtual DJ has latency
jshpro2: crab scratch sounds like shit cuz it doesn't respond fast enough to fader opening/closing u feel me?
jshpro2: haha
jshpro2: and it had static
jshpro2: like i was playin with virtual dj for like a few hours
jshpro2: randomly static was blasting over the speakers haha
jshpro2: never happened with itch
my friend: yeah thats no good
jshpro2: plus virtual DJ seems a lot of eye candy
jshpro2: like shit is hidden
jshpro2: u gotta click on different tabs to see what ur doing and shit, itch is more geared towards a club environemnt
jshpro2: like dark environment, so really big visible shit
BadBoyChubs 1:40 PM - 29 November, 2010
I prefer ITCH! but my heart is wid now,
k_one 3:14 PM - 29 November, 2010
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Virtual DJ - cons:
- No "instant doubles"

It has indeed. It is called copy deck and works pretty much the same way as ITCH/SSL ;)

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- Platter rotation speed is always constant (may be able to map to a function of the pitch control's speed, just not tested.)

Platter rotation follows pitch, so there should be no issue here. Which version are you using?
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- When in really low pitches, have to move the platters by a *huge* amount to move the playback by a little. Definitely not realistic at pitches above or below 15%.

Same answer as above, platter movement should be correct according to pitch.

That said, I still prefer Itch for scratching due to the fact that it feels more accurate.
So I use Itch for audio gigs and VDJ for video gigs.
Once Itch support video it will be an interesting decision though...
jshpro2 3:36 PM - 29 November, 2010
I was not able to get a lot of features working with VDj that others claim. Like pitch, and 4 deck controls. For example in their midi mapping it says

JOG = ns7_platter

Platter control does not follow pitch for me, and trying to modify this, for example

JOG = deck active ns7_platter

produced buggy behavior (So I reverted my changes to that mapping of course), but the point is ns7_platter is a new/special construct in the Virtual DJ mapping scripts it would seem, the regular command syntax doesn't work. For example

LOAD = deck active load

would load the songs onto deck 4 when deck 4 was active and I pressed load. But the 'deck active' modifier isn't compatible with their 'ns7_platter' command.

I would use my mouse to set deck 4 active, and the right jog wheel still controlled deck 2. I was using the default mappings, mappings that worked for others on the same version (7) and hardware (ns7).
Rebelguy 4:09 PM - 29 November, 2010
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I was not able to get a lot of features working with VDj that others claim. Like pitch, and 4 deck controls. For example in their midi mapping it says

JOG = ns7_platter

Platter control does not follow pitch for me, and trying to modify this, for example

JOG = deck active ns7_platter

produced buggy behavior (So I reverted my changes to that mapping of course), but the point is ns7_platter is a new/special construct in the Virtual DJ mapping scripts it would seem, the regular command syntax doesn't work. For example

LOAD = deck active load

would load the songs onto deck 4 when deck 4 was active and I pressed load. But the 'deck active' modifier isn't compatible with their 'ns7_platter' command.

I would use my mouse to set deck 4 active, and the right jog wheel still controlled deck 2. I was using the default mappings, mappings that worked for others on the same version (7) and hardware (ns7).


Out of curiousity, what are you running your system on? Type of computer, OS, processor specs, etc.
jshpro2 4:15 PM - 29 November, 2010
AMD Athlon 2200 x2
4GB ram
1TB RAID array (striped for performance)

I assembled it myself, so there is no 'make', of the computer. THe CPU is AMD, the motherboard is ABIT, the graphics card is Radeon, the raid is Promise, the RAM is .. i forget but cas latency 2 which means the ram is basically faster than the cheap-o stuff (well it was when I bought it).
Rebelguy 4:28 PM - 29 November, 2010
So the problems you are having could be AMD based rather then Serato, Numark or VDJ?

So you bring a desktop computer to all your events?
djcerla 4:31 PM - 29 November, 2010
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AMD Athlon 2200 x2


AMD is not suitable for ITCH serato.com
jshpro2 4:56 PM - 29 November, 2010
I am going to listen to Serato, over 100s of users who may think they know what they are talking about but do not.

Right, AMD is not supported. I have stated I am willing to switch to intel. When I state that Serato says "thats only worth doing if the problem is determined to be with your usb chipset". So I am going to wait on Serato to determine the problem before I go spend more money on anything at this point.

I won't lie I've never had an event. When I bought the NS7 I mentioned I was getting it to learn on, the dude kept laughing and being like dude you're not going to spent $2,000 for NS7 + FX + Stand + Insurance + case and not make any $$ off it. (which actually is the case, I just wanted a nice machine to learn on and its cheaper than converting my collection to vinyl)
jshpro2 4:57 PM - 29 November, 2010
And I hate the idea of timecodes...
kraal 5:09 PM - 29 November, 2010
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I won't lie I've never had an event. When I bought the NS7 I mentioned I was getting it to learn on, ... just wanted a nice machine to learn on and its cheaper than converting my collection to vinyl)

nothing wrong with that
Rebelguy 5:12 PM - 29 November, 2010
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I am going to listen to Serato, over 100s of users who may think they know what they are talking about but do not.

Right, AMD is not supported. I have stated I am willing to switch to intel. When I state that Serato says "thats only worth doing if the problem is determined to be with your usb chipset". So I am going to wait on Serato to determine the problem before I go spend more money on anything at this point.

I won't lie I've never had an event. When I bought the NS7 I mentioned I was getting it to learn on, the dude kept laughing and being like dude you're not going to spent $2,000 for NS7 + FX + Stand + Insurance + case and not make any $$ off it. (which actually is the case, I just wanted a nice machine to learn on and its cheaper than converting my collection to vinyl)


So why not go to a friends house that has a computer within Serato's specs and see if you have the same issues?

With all honesty you could probably get by with a Mac Mini.
BadBoyChubs 5:14 PM - 29 November, 2010
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So why not go to a friends house that has a computer within Serato's specs and see if you have the same issues?

With all honesty you could probably get by with a Mac Mini.


If he had a mac he would be less grumpy!
Maskrider 6:58 PM - 29 November, 2010
My friend is using VDJ I dont know if he is using crappy quality mp3 but the Audio quality of VDJ is totally far from ITCH.
BadBoyChubs 7:22 PM - 29 November, 2010
Mixing with Itch sounds more tighter than VDJ, I try mixing two of the same songs on Itch & VDJ and the quality was to different!
jshpro2 7:26 PM - 29 November, 2010
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So why not go to a friends house that has a computer within Serato's specs and see if you have the same issues?

Which one (which issue?). I'm not really getting drop outs anymore, its just crash mainly (and the bugs, which aren't the fault of my hardware). Still waiting for Serato to analyze the trace files.
Rebelguy 7:44 PM - 29 November, 2010
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So why not go to a friends house that has a computer within Serato's specs and see if you have the same issues?

Which one (which issue?). I'm not really getting drop outs anymore, its just crash mainly (and the bugs, which aren't the fault of my hardware). Still waiting for Serato to analyze the trace files.


Testing on different computers could narrow down the culprit. If you had access to a Mac I would try that as well. As I stated above, Mac Mini's are pretty inexpensive compared to Apple's other offerings if you found it worked for you.

I think the main problem here is that VDJ runs better on Win and Itch better on OSX so you not only have to decide on your DJ platform but OS platform as well.
Killaboy12 12:37 AM - 30 November, 2010
Idk abt anyone else.. but i have an AMD Laptop processor Turion X2 2.1 ghz.. at first when i bought the ns7 with itch i would have numerous problems with the sound and static.. and even itch itself would run ridiculously Slow and buggy... but after learning abt updating the drivers and disabling things like wifi, bluetooth, and certain services, everything seems to be better now.. right now im still Djing on that AMD Laptop with Itch and the Ns7.. I barely have problems with it.. when i play i make sure theres no firewall on, antivirus on, or wifi.. my drivers are all updated, And surprising all this is running smoothly on a 64-bit Windows 7 OS. I have a Cpu Spike of 30-50% with the platters on, and i can even Analyze a song while playing another. The only problems i witness is audio drops, which happens occasionally and it happens for 1 to 2 sec and the Scrolling on crates are slow when theres alot of subcrates (I Run Reggae/Dancehall Riddims so i have a list of subcrates).. All i believe is you should just take the time and sort out the problems one by one. at some point youll find the solution to your laptop problems.
jshpro2 2:41 AM - 5 December, 2010
Here's the difference between Virtual DJ & Serato. Serato has support. I seen Virtual DJ send PAID users to the forums for support, and then sit there and troll people trying to help. I pointed out close to 50 typos & bugs and they didn't dignify me with a response:



I downloaded the Virtual DJ trial to test out with the NS7. I sent a support case explaining I am using the same mapping and version as another user who's works fine, but mine would not work (mentioned loads of problems). They wrote back and linked me a video of someone scratching on an NS7 with Virtual DJ (that part worked for me so I don't get the point of this).

After they would not help. I assured them I would purchase. I read their entire manual and pointed out a ton of typos. They didn't dignify me with a response. Needless to say I will not purchase their software.

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TICKET 137215: NS7
Status: Closed


Date: Sat 27 Nov 10 @ 3:05 am
Message: Trying to use with NS7 w/ Virtual DJ Home 7. There are a handful of issues preventing me from purchasing your intriguing software. You guys have made significant progress while Serato has failed to fix numerous bugs in their software - so your company has my full attention & respect. Although your software is a higher quality than Serato, NS7 support is kind of glitchy. A small # of these may be missing features rather than bugs, or just ways it differs from itch, if so let me know. Most are bugs in your midi mapping.



Headphone mode switch is half broken.
When setting to \'master\' If I touch the chan1/chan2 slider it reverts the headphone mode. This happens randomly even when I don\'t touch it. As a result, if I am doing something with the cross fader I can\'t hear it on my headphone.


Headphone chan1/chan2 slider not working right.
When sliding it really close to chan1, I hear more of chan 1 and less of chan2, as expected. However when I get really close the audio starts popping, messes up completely & goes silent even. SO I have to put it 90% towards Chan1, If I go all the way over I get extreme audio issues.


Meter:
It just differs from itch when on \'master\' mode, this maybe works for some situations, but is bad for others (like listening to the \'master\' on the headphone). It can show no signal, or total clipping depending on where I position the \'master level\' knob. However even if that is at its lowest position, I may be clipping on the headphone. In other words I do not want that to be Dependant on the actual master level knob.


Loops.
- Loop mode does not illuminate like it does with Serato. In manual loop mode, pressing \'1\' for 1 beat also lights up the \'FX on\' on that side of the NS7FX.

- Loop on/off button totally non-functional

- If I grab a 1 beat autoloop, and half it, I can\'t exit the loop. (see prev issue)

- In manual loop, can\'t edit loops.


NS7FX
- Totally non-functional as far as I can tell. Fx on actually grabs a 1 beat loop. FX param knob halfs or doubles the loop length. I would expect it to be controlling FX related functionality, not looping.... Looking at it\'s mapping it looks like I may not be in the right \"mode\"? What are the modes, or why isn\'t it working?

action_deck 1 ? var_equal \"modeA\" 0 ? loop : var_equal \"modeA\" 1 ? var_equal \"FX\" 0 ? deck 1 effect active : deck 1 sampler play_stop : var_equal \"modeA\" 2 ? deck 2 effect active : var_equal \"modeA\" 3 ? video_fx : nothing : var_equal \"modeB\" 0 ? loop : var_equal \"modeB\" 1 ? deck 1 effect active : var_equal \"modeB\" 2 ? var_equal \"FX\" 0 ? deck 2 effect active : deck 2 sampler play_stop : var_equal \"modeB\" 3 ? video_fx : nothing



Platter:
Rotation speed doesn\'t respond to pitch slider
Date: Sat 27 Nov 10 @ 3:09 am
Message: The beat counter display doesn't work. The LEDs above the EQ are supposed to "go towards" whichever deck is fastest. Instead the left most or right most LED is always constantly lit, regardless of pitch.

When I move headphone slider from chan1 to chan2, that's when the beat counter LED's move, totally wrong behavior.
Date: Sat 27 Nov 10 @ 2:03 pm
Teamer: mp3jrick
Message: Please post this in the numark hardware forum where our mapper guys will see it.
www.virtualdj.com
Date: Sat 27 Nov 10 @ 6:19 pm
Message: So in other words the Ns7 mapping is still in its infancy, and anyone who says it is finished would be inaccurate (Like Numark CUE, goes for $300 - promises Ns7 Compatibility). I guess that is supposed to mean it "sort of" works?

I have posted in the forum.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 1:58 am
Teamer: mp3jrick
Message: No where in my replies did i say or indicate that.

I doubt Ritchie Rich would agree with you on that either.

Watchwww.youtube.com
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 11:28 am
Message: Well you're right it does work, see this video where I got it working - but certainly not on the first try.

To be completely honest with you I had to crack it before it would work, with the trial was where I encountered all my issues. Watchwww.youtube.com (I wasn't about to buy it with a non-working trial)

Putting the headphones to monitor 'master' still does not work, I'm convinced its not a midi mapping issue. There are random drags like shown in my video, this is not a midi mapping issue either (although maybe just a setting I need to tweak?) Please advise.

I assumed the mappings were not supported. By telling me to post in the forums you were indicating the mapping is not something your company supports. Do you provide support on this if purchasing or is the support channel the forums?
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 11:58 am
Teamer: mp3jrick
Message: You are making assumptions that are baseless.
I see you are testing with a Cue version 5 demo, and that is obviously part of the problem.

The reason I requested that you post in the Numark Hardware forum is because our mapper techs and Numark's people are monitoring these posts and can be more effective with specific problems than us in support here.

There is nothing different about our Home Free 7 version as a trial, admitting that you have cracked our software is not in your best interest.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 12:30 pm
Message: I am not making assumptions. You are. I never stated I used cue version 5.

You are right admitting I cracked the software isn't in my best interest, you could probably pursue legal action if you wanted. However it was in your best interest that I tell you, your trial doesn't sell the software. I spent 4 hours with the trial, by the time I get it set up my 10 minutes is basically over. In the couple of minutes I had to play around each time, I never could figure out 'auto headphone' mode, let alone this complex mapping these guys have as the default for the NS7FX. Simply put your trial does not sell the software, I had to crack it to try it out.

FYI I run my own software company www.vehiclefits.com - I would never make a cent off your software without licensing it from you, I cracked it solely to test its compatibility, since the trial would not work.

Furthermore, I am telling you I am wishing to purchase, and asking a question. Can you please answer my question? For Ex. with the trial I kept running up into issues where the channel fader would be at 0% on screen, but audio was still coming through at 50%. Perhaps this was while I was figuring out auto-headphone mode, either way it was a software setting I did not understand (in hindsight). I am asking if you support these kinds of issues if I were to become a paying user.

For example, lets say I buy this for $300. I see a lot of registered users receiving support on the forums, you even came in and told DJFLUX to not post if he's not sure of the answer (which pissed him off because he was trying to help YOUR users). Let's say I become one of these paid users and run into a problem.. am I going to end up on the forums for weeks, getting wrong answers from guys like him, and no answer from guys like you ---- or would you come in and escalate my issue if the forums were not helping?

That sir, is my question to you before I buy this program. (Asking now for the second time).
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 12:51 pm
Message: Also reading thru the user guide before purchasing. Want me to make a list of typos?

Page 7:

"VirtualDJ
has always provided the fasts information access about one’s collection by using VirtualDJ’s database."

fasts should be fastest?
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 1:00 pm
Message: Page 8:

"In the file browser (2) or playlist panels (3) right clicking on any column and
choose from the pop-up list any or all of the available data fields now stored in
the VirtualDJ database."

subsection 3 is using conflicting tenses, should read " right click"... or "choose" should read "choosing".
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 2:30 pm
Message: Pg 11:

"Depending on what fields are selected the search results will very."

'very' should read 'vary'
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 2:41 pm
Message: PS > Your user guide states it is for version 6. (Instead of version 7) www.virtualdj.com
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 2:50 pm
Message: Page 13

"Right clicking on a track displays many options:
• Preview – for launching the separate track preview interface"

img713.imageshack.us

My track options differ from those stated in the manual, FYI. For one, preview is missing.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 2:58 pm
Message: Somewhere in the manual it stated it works with Serato Scratch live crates. It also works with Serato ITCH creates, but this is not mentioned. You should mention it as a sales pitch, since the two are one in the same apparently. I verified this.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 3:27 pm
Message:
Pre-sales question:

Page 13, can this be disabled?

"If the tracks have been analyzed by an external application prior to being loaded into VirtualDJ and that
value is stored in the BPM tag, the BPM Engine will use the stored value as a reference when
analyzing the track. VirtualDJ will calculate a more precise value to a 0.05 BPM precision not more than
+/- 1 beat per minute away from the value of the tag."

I did read the part below it:

"If forced by selecting the BPM -> Re-Analyze
function the track is re-analyzed without regard to existing data or how the data was entered."

However it is not clear if "existing data" refers to the Virtual DJ database, or the track's ID3 tags, or both.



A second pre-sales question:
Can the values in the Virtual DJ database be written back to the track's ID3 tags? In other words lets say I want the keys/BPMs from your engine, to be written to my ID3 tags for portable browsing... possible?
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 4:00 pm
Message: The 'BPM difference' column, is it bound with business logic to take BPM into account? For example is capable of understanding that 100bpm and 50bpm is double, and thus 0bpm apart? Or would it erroneously display that as 50bpm apart?
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 5:40 pm
Message: OK I found a bug (I think).

The wave form in the 'rythm' zone was not loading at all, the song wasn't loading. I was using the strip search on the NS7. All of the sudden the song loaded from the playhead position to the end of the track. Anything prior to the play head was "unknown". When I scrolled into the unknown portions of the track they loaded in small samples, which produced really glitchy audio. Once a portion was loaded, I could then scroll (scratch) over it smoothly. Accompanying the issue is the a no waveform under that deck issue, as shown in this screenshot:

img257.imageshack.us

I took a video while I had the issue reproduced, I can send it to you if needed.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 8:05 pm
Message: User guide page 21:

"What VirtualDJ will do each time this
folder is selected with sort the entire database"

Should read "will sort the entire database"
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 8:09 pm
Message: Page 22:

Doesn't make grammatical sense:

"The filter dialog provides some great examples but to get it’s real power need to now what are the
appropriate elements,"

Did you mean "you need to know"
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 8:12 pm
Message: Page 24:

"Waveform display for currently"

You forgot to finish your sentence... currently..... currently what? Selected track duh, but a typo indeed.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 8:27 pm
Message: Observation & Pre-sales question:

When I select "scan for BPM" it goes thru all of the songs each time. I want to be able to do this for newly added tracks, not have to re-scan from the root of my music collection each time.

Would I have to manually work around this issue with filters, and then execute the 'scan bpm' command on a monitored folder?
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 8:34 pm
Message: Ok suddenly random crashing started occurring. Here is the trace:

pastebin.com
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 8:51 pm
Message: Is there any plan to add support for, or capability for users to adjust the ns7's rotation speed? Eg. when moving the pitch slider, platter should slow down or speed up by commensurate amount. It is currently not clear if this is supported with midi, or if it requires anything special in your software?

There was some ns7 specific "queries" in the midi mapping script for the ns7, are those queries/verbs documented? Does there exist comprehensive documentation for these? (apologies if it does, I'm only on page 25 of the manual, and just throwing questions out there as I learn)
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 8:56 pm
Message: 'Smart BeatTap' uhh cool feature but what is the timeout to determine between multiple single taps (phase) vs rapid taps (bpm)
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 8:56 pm
Message: Page 32
"EQ in Headphones – a when using the Headphones"

Remove "a", capitalize "when"
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 8:59 pm
Message: Page 33 - My performances tab differs from the one shown, I have no 'preset slider' - img404.imageshack.us
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 9:03 pm
Message: It also states there is more than one scratch algorithm, but as you can see, there is no algorithm or algorithm param inputs. Only scratch quality radio buttons. (pg 34 of user guide)
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 9:07 pm
Message: Page 35:

"With the Advance option, the algorithm can be scaled to provide good time or good frequency
localization, or both."

This option is missing for me (PS I am on Virtual DJ 7 despite the fact you thought I was on cue 5, which I never said. I am also verifying each issue on 'Virtual DJ 7 Home' to ensure nothing it is not an issue with the crack method, which was just a combination of entering a leaked key and disabling internet access with zone alarm to your program). Once again, don't get worked up over my methods, I intend to purchase if you can show your product is actually stable & working. So far its not proving so.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 9:16 pm
Message: Page 37:

* To learn more about adding your own device definition and mapping files
please visit our wiki at www.virtualdj.com and view the Controller Definitions section.

There is no link with that text at this URL.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 9:54 pm
Message: Pre-sales question:


(in relation to undocumented midi mapping functionality of 'ns7_platter' query, in relation to 4 deck skin)

Ok so I mapped a way to toggle between decks 1&2, and decks 3&4. When I hit that switch it properly sends a command to switch decks, however I am not controlling it.

Example:

I created the following headphone_mode:
down ? deck 1 leftdeck & deck 1 select & deck 2 rightdeck & deck 2 select : deck 3 leftdeck & deck 3 select & deck 4 rightdeck & deck 4 select

Switched to the 4 deck skin.

When moving the headphone_mode, it toggles between decks 2 & 4 on the right side, as indicated on screen in the software.. but does not affect left hand side, must be a typo in my script. Ignore this for now.

Once "4" is illuminated and "2" is not, pressing "Load B" on the ns7 loads that song to deck 2. If I manually drag & drop a song to deck 4, the jog wheel on the right hand side of the ns7 still controls deck 2.

Opening up the mapping, it just says JOG = ns7_platter.

Nowhere in your documentation are *any* of the vdjscript queries documented, that I can see.. let alone this one. So the issue is the ns7_platter query appears to be ignoring the selected deck in the software. I want it to jog the selected deck, is that possible? I tried adding 'deck 4' as a constant modifier, before/after, and various other obvious things to no avail. I just want 'load', 'play', and the platters (jog) to control the active deck, not constantly controlling deck 2 for right hand side.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 10:01 pm
Message: Page 43:

"Then assigned that file extension type to that decoder."

Should be changed to "assign"
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 10:03 pm
Message: Page 44:

"Video crossfader automatic – a"

looks like someone forgot to fill in a description for that feature?
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 10:05 pm
Message: Pg 45:

"Keep ratio (crop) / (full) –"

Again same mistake.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 10:14 pm
Message: PG 49:

"the skin’s audio crossfader will crossfader the video"

should read "will crossfade" or "cross-fade"
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 10:19 pm
Message: Pg 51:

I am guilty of this mistake in my software sometimes:

"VirtualDJ allows provides support to play and mix karaoke files"

"allows" & "provides" are redundant. Take out one, not proper grammar at all.
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 10:22 pm
Message: Pg 58:

You call it "record movie", but in the software its labelled "record video"
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 10:28 pm
Message: Pg 62:
"You MAY NOT make or distribute copies of VirutalDJ,"

Not even 1 backup copy?

I read the whole manual, and all wiki links about controller mapping. As far as I can tell ns7_platter is a "special" construct in the scripting language and supporting 4 decks may/may not be supported. Can you please inform me which?
Date: Sun 28 Nov 10 @ 11:53 pm
Message: Also with the NS7 platters, if I pause the track the platter would ideally scrub over the audio. Can you confirm if this is possible (Ex. markings on the physical NS7 platter should always correspond to the commensurate position within the song, regardless of pitch, or play/pause status). Is this possible to specify thru your Mappers section?
Date: Mon 29 Nov 10 @ 12:20 am
Message: Ok another bug found in midi mapping. LOAD = deck right load

or LOAD = deck active load

With either of these mappings, and deck 2 active, 'load' loads to deck 2. After setting deck 4 active, 'load' loads to deck 4, but after switching back to deck 2 a subsequent time, it always loads on deck 4.

I then went in and reset the map back to factory settings, and put the same thing back in. Behavior differed, for the worse. Now it always loads on deck 2.

So basically I had multi-deck support working and after using it once, it stops working.

After resetting the map and putting the same thing back in, it no longer works even that one time.
Date: Mon 29 Nov 10 @ 12:24 am
Message: For what it's worth,
LOAD = action_deck 1 ? deck 2 load : deck 4 load

This works for 'load A' to load onto deck 2, and load 'B' on deck 4. So I could work around the non-functional 'deck active' by fashioning my own variable to track the active deck, but it would be extra work. Also it still leaves me in the dark as far as the platter controlling the correct deck, strip search, etc..

I am more than capable of understanding your scripting language (as procedural as it is), however the interactions I am desiring just aren't documented well enough, I've been programming for 10yrs.
Date: Mon 29 Nov 10 @ 12:28 am
Message: Also when I put in 'deck 4 ns7_platter' it makes my platter really insensitive, and regardless of the direction of platter movement, the platter on the screen always moves forwards. EX. Executing a baby scratch just moves the play head constantly forward, actually executing a really long forward scratch.

Does the 'full command syntax' not inter-operate with w/ the custom ns7 actions?

The full command syntax is:

[deck [deck]] [sampler [slot] | effect [effectname/slot] | get] verb [param1] [param2] [blink | blinkfast] [while_pressed]

Therefore deck 4 ns7_platter should logically make both platters control deck 4. Instead the right deck constantly moves forward, and the left deck constantly moves backwards. Only difference the 'deck 4' modifier is making. Clearly a bug, or undocumented behavior.
Date: Mon 29 Nov 10 @ 1:40 am
Message: Was using Virtual DJ just fine, running my tests for a few hours. Randomly all audio on the headphone & master out got really staticy. It would not go away immediately, lasted maybe 10+ minutes. I walked away and came back 20m later and the issue was gone. If I paused all decks I heard total silence, the static was only while a deck was playing. If I stopped the platter, static stopped. When I scratched, the actual static sound got warped along w/ my scratch movements.

If I can get it to have no audio glitches over a considerable period (a few days), I would buy. So far I've had many issues in the first days. Hopefully you can support me thru these issues. Traktor has a comparable NS7 mapping available, and they offer free tech support (also their trial forces me to restart the program 2x per hour instead of 6x like your software!!! SO no need to break the law to get a fair trial with their company!)
Date: Mon 29 Nov 10 @ 1:41 am
Message: Also your time out on here is really low, if I spend too long typing my replies, it forces me to log in, which looses *all* of my text, after logged in I can go back and force the submit. 99% of your users won't figure that out, will get frustrated & give up, etc.
Date: Mon 29 Nov 10 @ 2:03 am
Message: I was talking with some other DJs, 4 deck mixing is working fine for them, but not for me (I am using Virtual DJ Home now):

Here is what I wrote to the other DJ who says his works:
Ha, im a bit offended that you think I didn't put the platter settings back. I am using freshly DLd virtual dj home 7, all I did was paste ur map into the fader box, same issue. "load" loads to deck 1 even though deck 3 is the active left deck.

Seems like a software bug, not a midi map - based on the fact our observed behavior differs, even with the same midi map.
Ragman 5:04 AM - 5 December, 2010
wOw !!!
u just broke a record for the longest post.
jshpro2 6:17 AM - 5 December, 2010
yea i know right. I had an equally long help thread with Serato and Serato actually keeps up with my shit.
fshaz 7:49 AM - 5 December, 2010
i can't even quote that shit cause it's too long. but you are a complete moron. and i do not insult often. and yes offense is meant. You handled yourself the completely wrong way. Try being cool and patient and you will get the help you want. People are People.
marcA 8:12 AM - 5 December, 2010
@jshpro2
well at least you dig into things :)
sad to say but nothing will ever be perfect, not software, not hardware
it's the support and 'can i live with it' that makes the difference
and that's serato for me now
started way back with pcdj and that didn't do it for me, so i left the scene and came back when i saw the ns7/itch combo...
Rebelguy 11:48 AM - 5 December, 2010
Jshpro2,

Here's some advice for you. Spend more time practicing DJing and less time looking for ridiculous bugs you would probably never experience in most real world scenarios. If i were a manufacturer I would refund your money and tell you to find a different product.
m88 1:54 PM - 5 December, 2010
Virtual DJ is much better in sync function and you can have more than 2 decks. Serato is only for amateur. Serato stuff can not even programming their software so they put everything else on you like the sync, they write that ITCH is not suppose to make beatmatch for you.

and of course every one understand why they write this, that because they can't programming like VDJpro.
djcerla 2:08 PM - 5 December, 2010
So, get VDJpro. You will look very professional, then.
m88 2:34 PM - 5 December, 2010
GET IT! VDJpro don't support VCI-300!

Both VCI-300 and ITCH fool me and other who are worried about the sync in ITCH shit.
haze324 2:46 PM - 5 December, 2010
Quote:
Virtual DJ is much better in sync function and you can have more than 2 decks. Serato is only for amateur. Serato stuff can not even programming their software so they put everything else on you like the sync, they write that ITCH is not suppose to make beatmatch for you.

and of course every one understand why they write this, that because they can't programming like VDJpro.


Dude YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Download Itch 1.7.1

It has the best way to grid your tracks than any DJ software out right now. It syncs perfectly.
djcerla 2:47 PM - 5 December, 2010
So, learn how to use it.

ITCH is aimed to pros, and pros need to retain a certain amount of control over mixes. VDJ is aimed to amateurs that NEED total auto-pilot in mixes.
haze324 2:49 PM - 5 December, 2010
www.serato.com

ITCH 1.7.1
Features in version 1.7.1
· Advanced Sync using Beat Grids
· Initial Key on deck
· Limiter indicator
wadup 2:55 PM - 5 December, 2010
Quote:
GET IT! VDJpro don't support VCI-300!

Both VCI-300 and ITCH fool me and other who are worried about the sync in ITCH shit.


Vdj support vci-300

www.virtualdj.com
djcerla 3:08 PM - 5 December, 2010
LOL
kraal 5:00 PM - 5 December, 2010
Quote:
Virtual DJ is much better in sync function and you can have more than 2 decks. Serato is only for amateur.

dude sync reliability is more 'only amateur' than ITCH will ever be

Quote:
GET IT! VDJpro don't support VCI-300!

Both VCI-300 and ITCH fool me and other who are worried about the sync in ITCH shit.

how did ITCH fool you?

from ITCH FAQ
"Can ITCH DJ automatically for me?

ITCH has functions that assist you when DJing like automatic beat sync however it stills requires hands on control. It is not designed to automix for you.
Did you find this useful? Yes No"
beat sync set the bpm's the same ..........
TFRASER 5:51 PM - 5 December, 2010
@m88 are you for real dude men because of virtual dj every body and they momma knows how to to beat match dude not for nothing but if you are relying on sync to mix then obviously you never used technics WE DID NOT HAVE ANY SYNC BUTTONS ON THEM are no fancy waves etc cats need to get over that sync crap and stop being lazy two words PITCH AND PITCH BEND yo its that easy.
kraal 6:27 PM - 5 December, 2010
Quote:
obviously you never used technics .

who cares if he used technics or not dj skills are universal not locked to equipment
dj ask 6:34 PM - 5 December, 2010
please. u have sync in itch and bpm indicator on ur computer screen on SL. nough said
kraal 6:37 PM - 5 December, 2010
Quote:
please. u have sync in itch and bpm indicator on ur computer screen on SL. nough said

sync and automix are 2 different things
dj ask 6:39 PM - 5 December, 2010
the guy who is confused about VDJ.

I use it with the NS7 and it works. If they sent u a video then it is to tell you that YOU are doing something wrong.

No one ca assure u %100 working system ever. even if u used just turntables and a mixer something can go wrong. what u gonna do? troll about how the turntable mixer combo works for some but not for u.

YOU need to do some research and seek the help that u need for ur particular set of issues.

u complain about support, but I have had to ask about 3 times for help and every time I found out what I needed very fast within 24 hours, and 2 out of 3 were answered by forums users just like here on this forum.

I bet I grab your computer/NS7/VDJ combo for 5 minute and I find out what is wrong.
dj ask 6:41 PM - 5 December, 2010
automix is like using winamp or itunes mix function. you would be kidding to think u can get away with it.

that function is designed in VDJ to give users the choice to play music while people are eating. ex. weddings so the DJ doesnt have to be mixing when its not necessary.

it is a great feature and if u think that u can get away with passing as a good dj using automix then god bless your soul
m88 8:09 PM - 5 December, 2010
I'am not talking about that ITCH should do Automix for me. I said the sync function in ITCH sucks!

You guys not need sync so much because you don't have same music style like I'm playing. Because turkish music is difficult to mix. There is not like house or electro music that both songs often have same beat and it beatmatching automatically or its very easy to find beatmatch in house or electro music.

You guys think that's just me who complaining about this sync problem in ITCH. There are many big and professional DJ's I know who dislike it.

I'm waiting for a new version of ITCH and I hope they can fix the sync as in VDJPro.
BadBoyChubs 8:38 PM - 5 December, 2010
Quote:
I'am not talking about that ITCH should do Automix for me. I said the sync function in ITCH sucks!

You guys not need sync so much because you don't have same music style like I'm playing. Because turkish music is difficult to mix. There is not like house or electro music that both songs often have same beat and it beatmatching automatically or its very easy to find beatmatch in house or electro music.

You guys think that's just me who complaining about this sync problem in ITCH. There are many big and professional DJ's I know who dislike it.

Sync = BMP match or tempo matching
Shift(delete button on ns7) + sync = beatmatching
only works if beat grid is off that way

unlike vdj, sync does both one time
I'm waiting for a new version of ITCH and I hope they can fix the sync as in VDJPro.
BadBoyChubs 8:39 PM - 5 December, 2010
Quote:
Quote:


I'am not talking about that ITCH should do Automix for me. I said the sync function in ITCH sucks!

You guys not need sync so much because you don't have same music style like I'm playing. Because turkish music is difficult to mix. There is not like house or electro music that both songs often have same beat and it beatmatching automatically or its very easy to find beatmatch in house or electro music.

You guys think that's just me who complaining about this sync problem in ITCH. There are many big and professional DJ's I know who dislike it.

Sync = BMP match or tempo matching
Shift(delete button on ns7) + sync = beatmatching
only works if beat grid is off that way

unlike vdj, sync does both one time
I'm waiting for a new version of ITCH and I hope they can fix the sync as in VDJPro.
djcerla 8:42 PM - 5 December, 2010
the ITCH sync is just fine, you only haven't figured out how to beatgrid your music.
kraal 8:48 PM - 5 December, 2010
m88 stop complaining and actually read what those trying to help you are telling you --- SET UP BEAT GRIDS and move on
m88 8:48 PM - 5 December, 2010
Quote:
the ITCH sync is just fine, you only haven't figured out how to beatgrid your music.


Maybe you can show me or learn me how figured out to beatgrid my music?
m88 8:51 PM - 5 December, 2010
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m88 stop complaining and actually read what those trying to help you are telling you --- SET UP BEAT GRIDS and move on


Can't you respect that other dislike a function and have big problem in a function that you never in your DJ time gonna use it namely the sync. You guys not have to use sync because your music style are different.
kraal 8:53 PM - 5 December, 2010
ok just keep arguing i am trying to help you-----
don't tell me what i dont need or use
when you are done you can watch this video
www.serato.com
djcerla 8:54 PM - 5 December, 2010
m88 we're only trying to tell you that ITCH beatgrids are by far the most versatile for variable tempo/hand played music. I'm on the iPhone right now otherwise I'd link you a video about how to correctly fix beatgrids in ITCH
kraal 8:57 PM - 5 December, 2010
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m88 we're only trying to tell you that ITCH beatgrids are by far the most versatile for variable tempo/hand played music. I'm on the iPhone right now otherwise I'd link you a video about how to correctly fix beatgrids in ITCH

i got the video above
but here it is again
Watchwww.youtube.com
jshpro2 9:47 PM - 5 December, 2010
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@jshpro2
well at least you dig into things :)
sad to say but nothing will ever be perfect, not software, not hardware
it's the support and 'can i live with it' that makes the difference
and that's serato for me now.

I agree, I don't expect anything to be perfect but Virtual DJ didn't address a single one of my issues (I was not impatient, they closed the ticket ignoring each issue I raised, I never re-opened it except to add different issues). A software company should be thankful I am saving them $$ on their quality assurance department.

Linking me to a video of a guy scratching (With tons of latency), when I reported an issue with the headphones... totally relevant support.

And again, I seen paid VDJ users in the forums, getting help from other paid users. Then the owner guy "Atomix Productions" comes in and trolls the users trying to help the other users telling them "if you don't know the answer then don't post". That's not support.

If you actually want to customize your mappings with virtual DJ you will find that only about 60% of the commands are documented (and in an un-organized wiki format at that). If you have an issues, the only channel of support is the forums, from fellow frustrated users who may not know the answer.... I don't know but at my software company we actually entertain the concept that the bug may be legit, even though 90% of the time it is not, you still have to entertain the concept because 10% of the time the bug is real. Sending users away who have valid reports is not good support.

I was also literally about to buy it until I saw how they handled my support case. I don't regret the way I handled myself, if they are going to get all testy with me, I am glad I saved $300. I'll spend it on the next ITCH product that drops.
kraal 9:52 PM - 5 December, 2010
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And again, I seen paid VDJ users in the forums, getting help from other paid users. Then the owner guy "Atomix Productions" comes in and trolls the users trying to help the other users telling them "if you don't know the answer then don't post". That's not support.


happened to me when i was asking for help. havent been back to the forums since
jshpro2 10:00 PM - 5 December, 2010
jshpro2 10:15 PM - 5 December, 2010
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Jshpro2,

Here's some advice for you. Spend more time practicing DJing and less time looking for ridiculous bugs you would probably never experience in most real world scenarios. If i were a manufacturer I would refund your money and tell you to find a different product.

The reason I find more bugs than you is because I spend more time DJing, obviously ;-)

Most of my messages were pre-sales questions. Why would I buy a product without asking questions about it? In this age everyone is out to sell you snake oil, everyone should be more inquisitive.
jshpro2 10:17 PM - 5 December, 2010
I copy pasted my questions onto their forums and they locked the thread, I thought that was funny too. Not only do they not care to entertain the possibility their software is less than perfect, they will spend time actively making sure other people can't discuss it.

Serato had no problem with this thread existing, and rightly so.
DJ_Esco 10:43 PM - 5 December, 2010
I posted in the VDJ forums a fix for VDJ7Pro to have full mic, video, headphone and propper platter support. Notice this is just the NS7 and not NSFX. I do not plan to do the NSFX immediately. You can find this under the segment for plugins, controllers. (The file contains 2 parts instructions and files needed.)

I am doing this just to prove that Numark's statement was accurate when they stated that the NS7 will work and function with VDJ Tractor etc... and even have demonstrated it in my youtube videos.

Watchwww.youtube.com

Alike many we are awaiting to see what Serato is going to offer as far as video support and additional features or plug-ins for Serato ITCH.

I can say honestly each advance made by Serato has been carefully evaluated before making the change(s) welcoming any feedback resulting in an excellent execution and delivery process.
jshpro2 11:31 PM - 5 December, 2010
NS7 support only works in an old version of Traktor. There is no longer a legal way for a user to get an Ns7 to work with Traktor, since the trial is always the latest version (and they broke the Ns7 mapping in their latest version). When emailed they replied that they do not support the mappings, same as VdJ

Esco, I did talk to you on youtube in your comments and posted a video response showing I had all the same stuff working as you, however 50% of the time "chan1/chan2" value on the "headphone mode" switch would actually cause "master" to be monitored. "Chan1/Chan2" slider randomly reversing themselves, etc.. clearly a software issue when I am using the default mapping. Its not like I put something into my mapping to make it switch around all random, its their software that failed on me.
jshpro2 11:32 PM - 5 December, 2010
PS > (And yeah I know about the "auto headphone" setting, however I'm saying my chan1/chan2 slider would randomly just decide to go "hamster style".)
DJ_Esco 12:23 AM - 6 December, 2010
@jspro2 did u use my midi map and follow the directions inside the txt file I included?
TFRASER 5:44 AM - 6 December, 2010
@kraal i never said djing is to lock yourself into any equipment what i,m saying is learn the art of mixxing two tracks and auto sync and all that other crap would not be that serious that is why dj,s use headphones TO LISTEN when using a pair of technics like i said before their were none of that fancy auto sync no bpm number in your face you had to count the beats by bars thats all i,m saying man.
Rebelguy 6:35 AM - 6 December, 2010
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The reason I find more bugs than you is because I spend more time DJing, obviously ;-)



Um no. I am just more concerned rocking parties then trying to rapidly load and unload tracks on 4 decks to see if I can make a program crash.
haze324 6:37 AM - 6 December, 2010
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You guys think that's just me who complaining about this sync problem in ITCH. There are many big and professional DJ's I know who dislike it.


Name ONE "big and professional" DJ that dislike it.

Seriously you are complaining just to complain. I already posted the link for you to download version 1.7.1 of Itch that has SYNC and the BEST beatgrid system of any DJ software. The same link also has info on how to grid your tracks.
Rebelguy 6:37 AM - 6 December, 2010
Oh and I meant I am more concerned ABOUT rocking parties. I don't want to have my message grammar annoy you. No typos either.
kraal 6:40 AM - 6 December, 2010
TFRASER it does read as if i was saying who cares to you but actually i was saying that even if someone could never find or afford tech's the fundamentals of djing are the same ----
Maskrider 7:21 AM - 6 December, 2010
This thread is funny
jshpro2 7:57 PM - 6 December, 2010
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@jspro2 did u use my midi map and follow the directions inside the txt file I included?


I used the one that came with virtual DJ.

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I am just more concerned rocking parties then trying to rapidly load and unload tracks on 4 decks to see if I can make a program crash.

You apparently didn't read my thread, because I never said I did that. I said 4 deck support simply would not work at all. Don't straw man the argument, these bugs are in no way esoteric they are major feature like the headphone cue working in a consistent manor that is documented somewhere. I'm not going to try to rock a party on equipment that throws me surprises.
Rebelguy 8:43 PM - 6 December, 2010
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I'm not going to try to rock a party on equipment that throws me surprises.


Yet thousands of DJs are rocking parties already on this equipment.
Rebelguy 8:44 PM - 6 December, 2010
And I don't think Typos and grammatical errors are slowing them down either.
dj ask 10:15 PM - 6 December, 2010
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I'm not going to try to rock a party on equipment that throws me surprises.


Yet thousands of DJs are rocking parties already on this equipment.


amen/.
dj ask 10:19 PM - 6 December, 2010
JSHPRO2

Chill out bro.

Watchwww.youtube.com
dj ask 11:27 PM - 6 December, 2010
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m88 we're only trying to tell you that ITCH beatgrids are by far the most versatile for variable tempo/hand played music. I'm on the iPhone right now otherwise I'd link you a video about how to correctly fix beatgrids in ITCH


again on that iphone cerla?
djcerla 11:30 PM - 6 December, 2010
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m88 we're only trying to tell you that ITCH beatgrids are by far the most versatile for variable tempo/hand played music. I'm on the iPhone right now otherwise I'd link you a video about how to correctly fix beatgrids in ITCH


again on that iphone cerla?


serato.com
jshpro2 5:08 AM - 7 December, 2010
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I'm not going to try to rock a party on equipment that throws me surprises.


Yet thousands of DJs are rocking parties already on this equipment.

I don't see your point. I don't want to use equipment that is non-deterministic. Serato is actually deterministic.

@ dj ask - jazz sucks :-(
dj ask 5:48 AM - 7 December, 2010
lol if u listened to it maybe you could be a chill person.

what do u mean by VDJ is not deterministic? what is it then? oh wait this is what the slogan says. "This program is NOT intended to be used to DJ with. This program will not respond when you press play and instead will sync songs."

come on man stop the dreaming. I am one of those that have VDJ working just fine. u need help send me a pm.
dj ask 5:48 AM - 7 December, 2010
what u need is a personal jesus. someone to be there. someone to love. HAHAHA
dj ask 5:50 AM - 7 December, 2010
dj ask 5:51 AM - 7 December, 2010
btw I think ITch has some real catching up to do to replace my VDJ setup. Im not being an ass or anything, but it's how I feel. I mean I can use itch just fine and shields great results and I love the colored waves, but for some reason I cant put down my VDJ...
kraal 11:28 AM - 7 December, 2010
which is fine you found a software you like so use it
DJChad72 6:51 PM - 7 December, 2010
i left VDJ because their support sucked. They often would call their users/customers liars or outright discount their feedback on genuine issues. Yes VDJ 7.0 has impressive features, but honestly how stable and usable can 9 decks be to a single DJ on a single machine? That scares me. LOL Also until they make a map themselves that they support for the Xone DX, I am not waisting anytime. I spend 2 whole says trying to use their VDJ script and all i ended up with was a bad back hunched over the DX and Laptop for 2 days. I gave the MIDI values to their support. It would have taken then 15 minutes to pump out the script context, but they just sent me more VDJ script manual phrasing. It just is too crazy when trying to map jog wheels and the infinite turn knobs. Otherwise the easy map GUI would have made it a breeze. But the moment something does not map and you have to use VDJ script, you have to start all over and do it all over again in VDJ Script.

Ther is something to be said about having the one to one mapping of the controller already mapped, working, and supported out of the box... and that is one of the top reasons I moved myself to the DX and ITCH.

Not only does the DX have all my needs covered (4 decks, instant loops, FX, 4 channel, external inputs, and emergency input/output), but the Serato ITCH roadmap is just going to make it better and better. What has been most important to me is their support and recognition of the part users play in their development lifecycle as well as bottom line.

Lastly, if you are a MAC user and have VDJ license, you are second rate. Plug ins for Windows wont work for you on a MAC. I had nightmares with a Sony VAIO, Windows, and VDJ and so I bought a MAC. VDJ ran flawless on the MAC. However if you want additional features, like FX VDJ tells you to buy a retail version of Window and install it via boot camp and run their Windows version. So I have a $400 VDJ license, and I buy a $1700 MBP, and not to mention the hundreds of dollars spent on controller and audio HW, and VDJ's solution for me to get FX is to buy a $200 Windows License? You should never offer support for both platforms if you are not willing to ensure feature parity between the two platforms... NOR should you ever tell a customer to buy another OS because they like that OS better... even though they support both.

My answer? ITCH and the Xone DX.
dj ask 7:49 PM - 7 December, 2010
im done arguing with u. I disagree. :D
jshpro2 1:48 AM - 8 December, 2010
dj ask you're calling me a liar. Far worse than arguing.
jshpro2 1:58 AM - 8 December, 2010
And yes it was non-deterministic. Its not an issue of agreeing or disagreeing, I am reporting my results and you are calling me a liar.

- Sometimes (yes, intermittently) setting a channel fader to 0% would cause 50% of the audio to still play

- Sometimes (yes, intermittently) static would play over the master output

- Sometimes (yes, intermittently), the headphone "mode" switch would reverse itself

- Sometimes (yes, intermittently), the headphone chan1/chan2 slider would reverse itself so that sliding towards chan2 makes me hear chan1. That is actually a particularly invasive issue.

- Always - songs loaded to deck 1 & 3... NEVER did they load to decks 2 & 4, even when I manually put a song and pressed play, the platter would control deck 3, even if deck 4 was the active deck.
Rebelguy 2:15 AM - 8 December, 2010
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And yes it was non-deterministic. Its not an issue of agreeing or disagreeing, I am reporting my results and you are calling me a liar.

- Sometimes (yes, intermittently) setting a channel fader to 0% would cause 50% of the audio to still play

- Sometimes (yes, intermittently) static would play over the master output

- Sometimes (yes, intermittently), the headphone "mode" switch would reverse itself

- Sometimes (yes, intermittently), the headphone chan1/chan2 slider would reverse itself so that sliding towards chan2 makes me hear chan1. That is actually a particularly invasive issue.

- Always - songs loaded to deck 1 & 3... NEVER did they load to decks 2 & 4, even when I manually put a song and pressed play, the platter would control deck 3, even if deck 4 was the active deck.


So I'm confused, are you using Virtual DJ or Itch? If you are using Virtual DJ and the Numark NS7 then why complain on these forums? The problem would be with VDJ or Numark.
Rebelguy 2:15 AM - 8 December, 2010
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dj ask you're calling me a liar. Far worse than arguing.


Didn't ask just say he would help you if you sent him a PM?
jshpro2 2:40 AM - 8 December, 2010
I'm not complaining, I am stating observations. If DJ Ask thinks he's onto a solution perhaps he could post it here, so others can benefit.

So DJ Ask: Go ahead, debug my problem.
DJChad72 3:13 AM - 8 December, 2010
jshpro2, are you using VDJ7 or 6.X? I had alot of problems when I was using VDJ to map buttons to effects and decks. Even when I would hard code a specific deck for a button, there would be times when the focus deck would overide that hard coded directive in the mapper.

I am not sure if it has been helped in VDJ7, but did not look like it in the release notes. It looked to be more focused on the wheels and additional deck support.

Numark and VDJ both support the NS7 on VDJ7. So you should open a trouble ticket there on these issues. I thought the purpose of this thread was to debate ITCH and VDJ.

When it comes to the NS7, ITCH was the only truly workable solution when it came out. It took VDJ nearly 7 releases to get it right (and those are DOT releases.) The only true reason people wanted the NS7 to work with VDJ was video capability. Many found that with the video comes bugs, and even though the controller worked... there were other issues with sound, latency, crashes, and of coarse like I pointed out earlier... Mac users who had to buy Windows because VDJ on MAC has no plug ins for FX.
SBDJ 3:30 PM - 8 December, 2010
I don't tend to post here on the SL forums. Everyone will likely know I'm a VDJ user and I know how people on this site feel about them. I do also own a VCI-300 though and did have SSL until some lovely person stole my SL-1.

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Lastly, if you are a MAC user and have VDJ license, you are second rate. Plug ins for Windows wont work for you on a MAC.

...snip...

You should never offer support for both platforms if you are not willing to ensure feature parity between the two platforms...


Feature parity where relevant is very important IMHO. Of course what you have neglected to mention is that plugins are usually user contributed (for free) and that said plugin author may not own a Mac. In the case of porting video plugins it isn't even a simple matter since the VDJ windows uses DirectX and VDJ Mac uses OpenGL.

I'm one of the people you're whining about unfortunately. I have written lots of plugins for VDJ windows. How can Atomix give those plugins to Mac users if I can't give Atomix a Mac version to distribute - or are you suggesting I should buy a Mac out of my own pocket to keep Mac users happy?

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Even when I would hard code a specific deck for a button, there would be times when the focus deck would overide that hard coded directive in the mapper.


At the risk of appearing as a know-it-all it's quite likely you've mapped something incorrectly. I've never had anything I've mapped overridden by the software, and I've never had it randomly do things like jshpro2 is experiencing (although I don't use an NS7).
kraal 4:29 PM - 8 December, 2010
sbdj -- i recognize you from the vdj forums and you are right the effects are customer written and that is not my issue. My issue is simple play back would not work even with keyboard and when i asked for help i got exactly what you just said... well you are doing something wrong. never got help in getting it to work. well people tried suggesting things but nothing work---
that is why i moved to itch with the 1 to 1 mapping.
SBDJ 5:06 PM - 8 December, 2010
My comment about the effects was aimed at DJChad72. I get a little touchy about it as I spend time creating them for free and yet all people still do is complain that I'm not doing enough!

You've got to use what works for you at the end of the day. Your reputation and income may well be at stake, and if Itch does what you need and works for you then I respect your choice. Competition is healthy after all.

My comment about it being incorrectly mapped was just an observation - I've not seen what he was using or what he was trying to do. He had however modified the default mapping and was getting unexpected results - I often try and help out with mapping issues.

I'm sorry you didn't get the help you wanted kraal; the community are usually quite helpful. I'm not going to hijack this thread in an attempt to support a previous issue for a software you no longer use but if you do ever test again you are most welcome to drop me a PM for assistance.
DJChad72 5:56 PM - 8 December, 2010
SBDJ aren't you also a moderator at VDJ? And I have every right as a paying customer of VDJ hardware and 2 pro licenses to be upset with Atomix on the plug in parity situation. If they are going to outsource plug ins, then they need to ensure the 3rd party developers have reason or motivation to develop for both platforms. I provided many suggestions about a contest with prizes for the devs, a mini ecommerce market, etc.... something to motivate the devs but work with in Atomix's business model and I was yelled at and the thread was abrubtly LOCKED. Is that how you treat a customer who has spent thousands of dollars in HW and SW to work with YOUR software platform? It is not in my opinion.

Which is what drove me to buying a Traktor Pro License and eventually to a Xone DX and ITCH. NI and Serato both do their own development 100% and do not leave customers to fend for themselves for very high demand features such as audio effects.

And to be blunt, Serato also ensures mapping of the device and software are 100% married. NI and VDJ have an open philosophy which is great but the average DJ holds a regular job and moonlights as a DJ. So they don't have time to learn the skill, apply it, refine it, and perfect it.

Sorry but a DJ does not spend thousands (controller, audio interface, laptop/desktop, software licenses, and anything else needed) just to then spend hours and even days and weeks like I did trying to tracking down additional mappers and plugins from who knows where... just to hit a dead end. Then when the feedback comes in that this is a problem for users, they say buy Windows. Which is saying your MAC isn't a priority so go buy Windows or go somewhere else. VDJ should understand this and because they didn't they lost me. Based on your responses above it seems to me they still don't so I've made the right decision for myself.
kraal 6:25 PM - 8 December, 2010
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I'm sorry you didn't get the help you wanted kraal; the community are usually quite helpful. I'm not going to hijack this thread in an attempt to support a previous issue for a software you no longer use but if you do ever test again you are most welcome to drop me a PM for assistance.

yeah like i said i am not a mapping kinda guy -- i am not bashing vdj like some are i just cant get the mapping and dont have time to do it.... I stil own it just right now itch does what i need
SBDJ 6:33 PM - 8 December, 2010
DJChad72,

Correct, I am. I however do *not* work for Atomix and am not solely a VDJ user. My moderation privileges come from my contribution to the community in terms of development and support. Nothing more. I certainly don't get any special treatment and it certainly isn't MY software platform. I get no say in policy or anything like that either so whilst you are free to blame me, it's really wasted.

To clarify however they don't outsource plugins, they provide an API for others to implement plugins if they want to. Huge difference IMO.

I remember your thread, and I actually agreed with some of your sentiments. The problem is that remuneration would have to be worth the expense & effort on both sides. A system has been put in place and developers do now receive payments - but the payment I get at the moment probably covers an hour of development time a month.

So off the back of that you're expecting developers like me to go and drop a few grand on a Mac to produce plugins for you for free. Not going to happen unfortunately. Basically users would have to be charged for plugins on a per plugin basis - and how many are going to kick off about that? If someone suddenly told you that you had to pay $$$ for a scrolling text effect you'd go mad stating it should be supplied by default.

The Mac not being a priority is not the case. You really don't seem to understand the complexities involved. For someone who writes windows video plugins to add Mac plugins to their arsenal they would have to buy a Mac, then install and learn XCode, then learn OpenGL. That lot alone is no 5 minute task, then all future plugins will have to be written twice, tested twice and so on. It really is an investment in cost, time and effort. Atomix cannot force people to do this.

As you point out there are differences in the philosophy and those differences attract different users. I like open/modifiable, others like closed/1:1 nature. To each their own and if that appeals to you then that is your decision.

I do however think you are blowing mapping complexity out of all proportion. If you want to map a controller button, press learn, press the button (or move slider/jog), press the skin learn button and click the skin button that you want the controller to do. Not exactly rocket science. If however you want to do more advanced mapping or add extended support for non-supported controllers then yes, that requires a bit more effort - as you would expect.

Tracking anything down is easy; there is a categorised and searchable download section. That plugins are available on certain platforms is not kept secret, is stated many many many times in the Mac support forum and can be checked in the plugin download area.

For the record though, the Mac audio plugin availability has improved with newer plugins being converted fairly quickly after release.
DJChad72 8:22 PM - 8 December, 2010
First off I do understand your dollars and cents and see where you are coming from. So from a human to human perspecive, I get it. However from a paying user to software provider perspective, I should not be bothered with staffing, time, and materials issues. I should be treated like a customer and not a project manager trying to work through delivery issues. That is what VDJ has chossen to do in this situation by giving it to any willing outside source to develop this part of their solution. If it was bidding out it would be contracted and delivered with strict financial and timeline constraints. Instead it has been outsourced to garage developers with nothing to ensure delivery.

So I am sorry to offend you, I see where you are coming from. But hopefully you can see how a customer should feel about getting nothing but a list of reasons why they can't have it. Again the subtext to the customer is go find someone to help you or go away.

Regarding the mapper, no I understand. I have used the mapper on things like the stealth control and that simple hardware had issues. Yes the GUI works great to map except for the fact there are two stealth controls in the market place with different buttons, midi values, and labels. I had to send in jpg from the net to prove this to Atomix support. I spent 3 months on that issue to prove that the units decks do not mirror and some buttons have identical values! UGH!

Additionally, the xone DX and othe A&H controllers like the 3D and 4D have more complex mapping needs and therefore have to use a definition file to map all functions. I again spent a week trying to learn it and trying to convert all the midi to hex and learning syntax but it is not my forte and was not a priority, mostly a 'can I do it?' I was trying to have 1 controller that could work with all 3 software providers. That would give me the ability to look at all 3 through 1 lens and choose what really is best for me.

So you talk about why you should by a $1700 Mac. Imagine if you did spend that money and then realized the Atomix API for OSX based VDJ prevented you from delivering something you really wanted for yourself or others? Guess what, that was my reality. I spent the money. I invested the money and time and came up empty handed. So I do understand it probably better that you because I took the risk and got burned.

Serato ITCH is awesome to me. It all works! It has added features regularly. It has a roadmap and it does not include me writing my own software(or trying to hire or beg someone who can.) Therefore, I can get busy being a DJ. ;)
SBDJ 9:41 PM - 8 December, 2010
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That is what VDJ has chossen to do in this situation by giving it to any willing outside source to develop this part of their solution. If it was bidding out it would be contracted and delivered with strict financial and timeline constraints. Instead it has been outsourced to garage developers with nothing to ensure delivery.


But you're overthinking it again. They haven't outsourced it. They have made facilities available to those of us who want to add our own features. The fact that I choose to share these features is up to me - I've got loads of plugins I haven't shared. Do you blame a VST host when a VST plugin will only work with a specific host, or do you blame the plugin?

They haven't tasked plugin developers with anything - plugin developers have their own ideas and create it. Atomix have no part other than testing it to make sure it doesn't leak memory or crash VDJ and hosting the download.

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So I am sorry to offend you


No need, I'm not offended. I'm a working DJ - we're generally thick skinned in nature IME!

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Regarding the mapper, no I understand. I have used the mapper on things like the stealth control and that simple hardware had issues. Yes the GUI works great to map except for the fact there are two stealth controls in the market place with different buttons, midi values, and labels. I had to send in jpg from the net to prove this to Atomix support. I spent 3 months on that issue to prove that the units decks do not mirror and some buttons have identical values! UGH!


That's really the fault of the hardware vendor, but I understand where you are coming from.

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Additionally, the xone DX and othe A&H controllers like the 3D and 4D have more complex mapping needs and therefore have to use a definition file to map all functions. I again spent a week trying to learn it and trying to convert all the midi to hex and learning syntax but it is not my forte and was not a priority, mostly a 'can I do it?' I was trying to have 1 controller that could work with all 3 software providers. That would give me the ability to look at all 3 through 1 lens and choose what really is best for me.


There is a definition available for download for the 3D. IIRC it's missing the crossfader for some silly reason but thats an easy fix. Creating definition files isn't generally difficult and there are a few of us who try and help people doing this. I created one for my Ecler EVO5 in a couple of minutes.

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So you talk about why you should by a $1700 Mac. Imagine if you did spend that money and then realized the Atomix API for OSX based VDJ prevented you from delivering something you really wanted for yourself or others?


It wouldn't happen for two reasons; one the API is identical between platforms and secondly I always check as much as possible in detail before making any investment.

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Serato ITCH is awesome to me. It all works! It has added features regularly. It has a roadmap and it does not include me writing my own software(or trying to hire or beg someone who can.) Therefore, I can get busy being a DJ. ;)


...and thats your choice. I'm not berating you, belittling you or criticising your choice - I'm simply providing an alternative point of view and attempting to clear up a few things.

I guess I'm luckier than most in that I'm a full time DJ who happens to have many years experience in different programming languages.

I do have a genuine question for you though. How much would you pay for a single video transistion?
DJChad72 1:08 AM - 9 December, 2010
I know you are trying to get me to see this from a different perspective and I do understand and see your point. Basically Atomic shoudl have handled better. They see what their competition has and where they are going. They cant rest on "we have video" any longer. The solution is present elsewhere now.

To be a little more on topic, when i look at what was delivered with VDJ7, I still wonder who is at the wheel. What the heck am I going to do with 8 (or however many) decks? LOL There isnt a controller that can support it. Flipping platters is one thing, but how am i to flip back and forth with channels? If they would have gotten ahold of themselves and just tried to deliver 4, lets say 6 to show off a little and then delivered 5 or 6 really high quality high demand effects as well as 5 or 6 video transitions... that may have gotten my attention. But as soon as I updated to VDJ7, I clicked on the effects page tab, saw ZILCH auto installed and closed it down.

Also my example of "what it" was hypothetical. So you evaded the situation. :) And you have to realize, I used Windows and VDJ for 3 years. It said now where at the time that if you started using the MAC version I would loose any functionality. I just read that some dont have alot of luck with video. Which I do not use.

And yes, you are lucky. I work in IT as an Account Manager for a major Telecom. I work 60+ hours a week. So my day job has little to do with my DJ business/interests. So am not able to apply my day time skills to developing audio software. :)

As I said earlier, I do not use video. I have not really found the niche for it in my city, and therefore have not really invested in the content. HOWEVER, to give you an idea... if I was buying a single effect I could use many times a night and could use no matter what platform, I would pay $10 to $30. If it did something I could use maybe use every once in a while, I would expet to spend less, $1 to $5. If it had many uses and applications, I would pay closer to the "windows office" pricing.
jshpro2 1:55 AM - 9 December, 2010
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jshpro2, are you using VDJ7 or 6.X? I had alot of problems when I was using VDJ to map buttons to effects and decks. Even when I would hard code a specific deck for a button, there would be times when the focus deck would overide that hard coded directive in the mapper.


I am using VDJ7. The issue is, is in their mapping under "JOG" the script reads "ns7_platter". it appears this default mapping cannot be prefixed ala regular VDJ script commands, for example prefixing it with "deck 4", like this:

JOG = deck 4 ns7_platter

This would not cause the platters to control deck 4, instead it caused crazy behavior.

When using just their default mapping, it was like it was hard coded to deck 3.

And then the headphone mode switch issue.

Yes its a thread about VDJ vs Serato, an important area to compare two software companies is how they respond to bug reports. A company that tends to ignore bug reports is a company that is more likely to have more bugs in the future. Bugs in a software system tend to cluster, and some "bugs" are actually symptoms of even larger issues (EX. the crazy static I was getting blaring over the speakers & headphones)

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Numark and VDJ both support the NS7 on VDJ7. So you should open a trouble ticket there on these issues.

I did, they sent me a youtube video of a guy scratching - which was totally unrelated to my query about using 4 decks / headphone mode. After they sent that video they did not respond further, even though I scoured their manual and even tried to help them by finding typos for them, even after going out of my way to try and give back, they didn't even so much as dignify me with a response. When I posted a forum thread about these issues they locked the thread....!!
jshpro2 1:57 AM - 9 December, 2010
Correction, they deleted the thread!
DJChad72 2:18 AM - 9 December, 2010
Yup, been there done it. Fend for yourself. Send yourself to school to learn MIDI and other audio engineer skills. Very useful indeed.:)

I decided audio issues anyday over not even being able to hit play and spin the jogwheels. Lol
dj ask 5:50 AM - 9 December, 2010
jshpro2 u are over thinking it! u are changing a value that has NOTHING to do with what u are trying to achieve. again. I told u to send me a pm, and even sent u one myself without an answer from you. Yet you keep writing here without looking for the resolution so I wonder how honest and committed you are to resolving this.

u r not trying to fix your problem but instead want to bitch. once again. YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE THE PLATTER VALUE AT ALL TO DO WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO.

This is entirely your fault for not reading documentation.
SBDJ 9:11 AM - 9 December, 2010
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They cant rest on "we have video" any longer. The solution is present elsewhere now.


Agreed, but they do continue to add new features. Some are good, some I don't use at all. Like I say though competition is good and benefits us all.

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To be a little more on topic, when i look at what was delivered with VDJ7, I still wonder who is at the wheel. What the heck am I going to do with 8 (or however many) decks? LOL There isnt a controller that can support it. Flipping platters is one thing, but how am i to flip back and forth with channels? If they would have gotten ahold of themselves and just tried to deliver 4, lets say 6


Actually it's 99. The default skins give you 2, 4 or 6 though. The decks are modular so it's left up to people to decide how many you want. For example you could use 4 main decks and then have a load of extra decks configured to use as sample channels - but with the added benefit of being able to keylock, scratch, clone, loop, apply FX, use video clips and so on. It's about giving the user flexibility and control. You can flip back and forth with complete channels if you're using a MIDI mixer. I use an Ecler EVO5 so I 'just' run 4 channels.

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then delivered 5 or 6 really high quality high demand effects as well as 5 or 6 video transitions... that may have gotten my attention.


Everyone's focus seems to be on effects, I'm completely the opposite personally. If I want a decent audio FX that isn't available I'll usually have a look for a suitable VST. That said it's always worth keeping an eye on the plugins section as there are a few audio plugins being pumped out (cross-platform at that) at the moment. Just because they aren't installed doesn't mean they don't exist. Rememeber: Plugin developers now get paid on how many times their plugin gets downloaded. If it ships with the program that's less downloads.

If you're looking for big increases in shipping FX by Atomix themselves then you'll be disappointed as they have been focusing on the core functionality.

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It said now where at the time that if you started using the MAC version I would loose any functionality. I just read that some dont have alot of luck with video. Which I do not use.


The plugin situation has always been stated, and ever since the launch of the MAC version you've been able to see if a plugin is MAC compatible or not.

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if I was buying a single effect I could use many times a night and could use no matter what platform, I would pay $10 to $30. If it did something I could use maybe use every once in a while, I would expet to spend less, $1 to $5. If it had many uses and applications, I would pay closer to the "windows office" pricing.


Interesting thoughts, thankyou. I've been considering selling some of my more advanced offerings that are in the making at present.
haze324 9:51 AM - 9 December, 2010
to add to some of the above.

Most days I don't want to be a computer programer.

I want to be a DJ and just play music. That's why I orignally came to ITch from Traktor, and also one of the reasons I was so intereted in the S4.

Alot is to be said about just playing music and not midi mapping, writing code, etc.
dj ask 10:54 AM - 9 December, 2010
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to add to some of the above.

Most days I don't want to be a computer programer.

I want to be a DJ and just play music. That's why I orignally came to ITch from Traktor, and also one of the reasons I was so intereted in the S4.

Alot is to be said about just playing music and not midi mapping, writing code, etc.


I guess some people can't handle it. :D
djcerla 12:18 PM - 9 December, 2010
ITCH makes you focus on music a lot, no frills, no distractions, that's why I like it so much. At a certain point, you simply forget you're using software, as everything feels so "analog". Cool.
BadBoyChubs 1:24 PM - 9 December, 2010
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ITCH makes you focus on music a lot, no frills, no distractions, that's why I like it so much. At a certain point, you simply forget you're using software, as everything feels so "analog". Cool.


I must total agree, I focus on getting my mixes right rather than watching my screen to push bells and whistles!
DJChad72 1:34 PM - 9 December, 2010
I could not agree more! That is why I love ITCH too. You can focus on your gig and not how your controller is going to react.

SBDJ, the VST only works for Windows. Therefore MAC is out in the cold. If you look at the Product feature page of www.virtualdj.com you will see that is the only thing that is Windows only. So if you don't see anything alarming there, why look elsewhere?
jshpro2 3:09 PM - 9 December, 2010
@ dj ask - I only chanted it after the DEFAULT value did not work. Actually I did read the documentation.

I read the documentation here: www.virtualdj.com & here: www.virtualdj.com

NOWHERE does it mention "ns7_platter" (which is used in the mapping). Again, the only reason I went changing it is when the default one that came with the program did not work.

I changed it as per the documentation. I am not contacting via PM you because you are clearly not going to help. If you want me to try something I'll record a screencast with Camtasia and post it here for everyone to comment on. Us going on screen sharing is just going to invite further trolling from you. I am describing the symptoms to you, and you are calling me a liar. Sharing my screen isn't necessarily going to help.

Anyways, DJ Ask, its besides the point. The point is they couldn't even take the time to write back "Dear jshpro2, if you purchase the forums will be the support channel for issues like this" VS "Dear jshpro2, if you purchase, we will support issues like this".
jshpro2 3:13 PM - 9 December, 2010
*chanted = changed.

If you read my post you'll see I put it back to:

JOG = ns7_platter

I did this by pressing the "reset to factory defaults" button. So yeah its my fault eh? Like I said if you're so sure you can troubleshoot it tell me what to screenshot, or record video of. That way I can post the video here and you can't sit there and belittle me for stating observations that you don't "agree" with.
jshpro2 4:00 PM - 9 December, 2010
I can confirm 4 deck support is working, it was not before & I was doing nothing different than now. The only difference is I am on a different computer, and different operating system. (I also re-downloaded the latest version of VDJ). Previously I had first installed Cue 5, then subsequently installed VDJ Home 7. This time I just installed VDJ Home 7 without first installing Cue 5.

Its kind of besides the point though, even now that I know it does work, its still kind of useless because of the lack of support. They would not answer me as to what kinds of issues are covered under their regular support plan, nor dignify my support thread with a response of any kind.
jshpro2 4:06 PM - 9 December, 2010
LOL I exit & restart the program and it stopped working! Told ya! Software bug, not user error. Got it on video too hang on, let me find somewhere to upload.
jshpro2 5:02 PM - 9 December, 2010
Here is the video. I had it working with one exception, the *first* time I selected deck 4 as active, the platter still controlled deck 2. After switching active decks and then back, it began to work consistently. After my 10 minute trial was up I ran the program a second time, this time with the camera running. Here is what I captured:

www24.zippyshare.com

Summary
- When I put down the camera all I did was load a song on both decks, I assure you.
- 4 deck support totally non-deterministic.
- Headphone mode switch inoperable OR crossfader/channel fader inoperable
- Headphone mode x-fader gone hamster style.
jshpro2 5:10 PM - 9 December, 2010
Just to clarify, *every* time I run the program, the platter will not control the active deck the first time I set the active deck.

*sometimes* (read almost always) the platter will never control the active deck.

Only *somtimes* (rarely) does it control the active deck.

The only thing I'm doing is exiting & starting the program back up each time. So again, how is this my fault or not an issue worthy of receiving support? In my opinion it is a faulty midi map, or faulty software. They provided both the midi map & software.
DJFLUKE 5:17 PM - 9 December, 2010
God man go complain on the VDJ site
Then. Holly your posts are so redundant.

Let's go complain about Dell issues on
Hp's site.

What are you trying to accomplish?
jshpro2 5:21 PM - 9 December, 2010
Its in response to www.serato.com

This is a thread comparing ITCH & VDJ. I was simply stating that ITCH actually had support, DJ Ask apparently required more elaboration.
DJFLUKE 5:27 PM - 9 December, 2010
Ok so you proved Serato has better support
Than VDJ, now what?

You said a few dozen fuckin times, Serato
Has better support then VDJ. Some people
Disagree some don't. Just like anything
In life people have better experience then others
Which is the concept of returning and non
Returning customers. You want to prove how
Macs work better than pc? How one cell
Company has faster 3 g then the other?
How iPhone is better than android? Fuck man
You stated your points. To each his own
And move on.

You dont like how VDJ treated you sure
Call Jason Clavel who is the owner ad complain.
U ranting on this forum is annoying, especially
The forum of another company.
BadBoyChubs 5:41 PM - 9 December, 2010
i think this thread is jus here to keep them occupied until the next version of Itch is release, when the next version comes out the forum does be like a ghost town for awhile, until people start to request more features and who havin problems still!!!
dj ask 5:57 AM - 10 December, 2010
u see u cant say that it is a software bug when people like me are using the NS7 with VDJ7 and it works great. u cant call out a bug like that, i think....
dj ask 5:58 AM - 10 December, 2010
maybe if u spray urself with repellent, the bugs will stop following u. :D
BadBoyChubs 12:27 PM - 10 December, 2010
Call terminix
jshpro2 6:17 PM - 10 December, 2010
Ok DJ Ask you're right, its expected behavior for it to work a different way each & everytime you run the program. And on that note that is why Virtual DJ Sucks for my needs.
kraal 6:40 PM - 10 December, 2010
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Call terminix

sounds a lot like automix --- just saying
dj ask 7:18 AM - 11 December, 2010
kraal if u were doing wedding u would love automix too.
dj ask 7:18 AM - 11 December, 2010
probably..
dj ask 7:20 AM - 11 December, 2010
you know i love this. VDJ works fine for me. so then I try and help u out by offering to remote assist u to make sure all ur setting on the computer are fine and u decline. and then u say that VDJ works different ways every time..

u seem to neglect the fact that I could care less about u. I offered my help but u see to be too hard about what u think so idk ...
wadup 7:22 AM - 11 December, 2010
Dj ask I don't none of us itch users really care about vdj, it's for amature...
dj ask 7:24 AM - 11 December, 2010
u r posting on this thread. i usually ignore what i dont care all together. just saying. dont call VDJ for amateurs.. makes u look silly. we all know that VDJ won the 2010 best DJ software award. oh maybe u dont. oh wait u calling me amateur haha yea right..

how much u make dj'in again?
wadup 7:29 AM - 11 December, 2010
I hate to tell u this but vdj is really for amateurs like urself who like automix.. But u can go ahead and enjoy ur vdj I'm pretty sure every club you go to have a vdj setup, lmao..
Paco71 8:17 AM - 11 December, 2010
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kraal if u were doing wedding u would love automix too.


I'm doing weddings and i don't use automix.
The only time I can see you can use it is during the cocktail, and the meal.
Since you cannot put the music too high, people doesn't care about mixing during this time, so I have a playlist without mix and I've never had a problem with any customer when i'm doing like that.

The mix, i mean the real, is during the party after the meal, at this time i'm working hard to make them happy ;)

So automix is not necessary for me and i don't need it...
dj ask 9:10 AM - 11 December, 2010
of course I agree Paco. Personally.. but, seriously. why would anyone be upset at a feature that if activated will make you look like the most fake dj ever? no one is gonna buy the mixing skills of automix.. :D

wadup u can call me all u want. I like my Itch setup. I just can't live without a couple of features, that's all.

give me a sampler please. :) that will put itch on top. asap. video would also bump itch up high.
haze324 11:14 AM - 11 December, 2010
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I hate to tell u this but vdj is really for amateurs like urself who like automix.. But u can go ahead and enjoy ur vdj I'm pretty sure every club you go to have a vdj setup, lmao..


I don't get why people always hate on other software if it's not the one they use. I just got an S4 and think it's great. I wish Itch had some of it's features. At the same time I wish Traktor S4 had some of things in Itch. I see VDJ the same way. Some guys NEED video and VDJ is really their only option other than SSL. I've seen some pretty sweet VDJ set ups and this guys DJ Dab is by far not an amatuer DJ.

Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com

And to the OP who said he was "simply" trying to state something. Brother --- there is nothing SIMPLE about these marathon posts! =O
BadBoyChubs 11:25 AM - 11 December, 2010
Well it boils down to , wat a dj taste is at the end of the day.

they are die hard VDJ fans jus like Itch fans, and u cant tell them other wise. some use both accord to their venue.

B4 Itch no one could have told me anyting about serato, now VDJ is a distance memory for me, to tell people is there i start, i was one of the 1st VDJ dj since atomix 1.
Maskrider 11:54 AM - 11 December, 2010
i just like the fact that not everybody can just pick up ITCH you gotta earn it to play this Software.unlike VDJ even my neighbor can just be a Dj in an instant.
Dj Beware 2:20 PM - 11 December, 2010
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And again, I seen paid VDJ users in the forums, getting help from other paid users. Then the owner guy "Atomix Productions" comes in and trolls the users trying to help the other users telling them "if you don't know the answer then don't post". That's not support.


happened to me when i was asking for help. havent been back to the forums since

1+
Dj Beware 2:33 PM - 11 December, 2010
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ITCH makes you focus on music a lot, no frills, no distractions, that's why I like it so much. At a certain point, you simply forget you're using software, as everything feels so "analog". Cool.

1+
DJFLUKE 2:48 PM - 11 December, 2010
Here are a few things i would like to Itch improve on. Its not really added features for the software, its more of cosmetic features.

1) I use VDJ in the background behind itch. I basically disable all midi in VDJ and configure it to work via my internal sound card on my PC. I then connect that into the aux port off the NS7. I use it this way for dinner and cocktail via automix. Its great. I leave it open in the background for reason 2 below. For me a type of automix in Itch would be great. Again for all your hardcore Serato DJ's, automix is not meant to replace a DJ. But for my purpose its great. I do all mobile work, and it just suits my needs. I dont liek dead air. Its obvious when it happens and sometimes can be 6-10 seconds long. People notice this stuff. Its not a big deal but its there and it can be corrected very easily.

2) Another reason why i use VDJ in the background, for some reason Itch seems some of my files corrupted although they play fine in most cases, in some cases i have had a 1-2 sec drop on these songs. Ironically this never happens in VDJ on those exact same songs. If a client ever requests a song that Itch shows as corrupted i play it in VDJ. Im in the process of eliminating these files so none show corrupted, but it goes as far to show you that something in Itch is seeing it as corrupted or Itch wants to think that way.

3) The database managment in VDJ is far superior then itch. If i add a song in my Urban folder it automatically reconizes it and i just got to scan it for the bpm,lenght and gridding. In Itch its a pain which is freakin annoying. That in my opinion Serato needs to make shit easier to find when adding new songs. I dont want to re scan my whole damn folder or crate everytime.

On another note , maybe im doing something worng. I just deleted a bunch of files from my library. How do i make these songs dissapear from my library? For exemple i had a duplicate song called lets say Serato.mp3. When i search i still see Serato.mp3 twice, but when i try to load both of em, one of em goes to red as not existant. I can then manually delete it by hitting delete ctrl. Why does that file show if its deleted? Is there a way when i rescan my files that it dosent see it anymore??
Paco71 5:10 PM - 11 December, 2010
I absolutly agree with you on your third point. Serato has to improve library managment either on Itch and SSL ;)
wadup 5:33 PM - 11 December, 2010
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i just like the fact that not everybody can just pick up ITCH you gotta earn it to play this Software.unlike VDJ even my neighbor can just be a Dj in an instant.



Couldn't agree more, couple of my friends have vdj because it's basically free, so now they believe they are djs now, but give them a ssl or itch, they don't even know where to begin
BadBoyChubs 8:04 PM - 11 December, 2010
well continue using VDJ, since it is better. that is why they design software different.

could u imagine itch doin the same thing as VDJ. some of us dont use video,

Buy DJ equipment and will get ur job done not one u like and den beg the software company to help u get the job done,

Cause i am one of those who are happy the way Itch is buildt. i wont be vex if i was stuck on 1.7.

Cause it looks like every dj wants to own an NS7 or V7 and wants it to work wid their software, get a clue it was FIRST build for ITCH
Maskrider 8:12 PM - 11 December, 2010
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Quote:


i just like the fact that not everybody can just pick up ITCH you gotta earn it to play this Software.unlike VDJ even my neighbor can just be a Dj in an instant.



Couldn't agree more, couple of my friends have vdj because it's basically free, so now they believe they are djs now, but give them a ssl or itch, they don't even know where to begin


+1
I've been Djing with people that uses VDJ which I really don't care what bothers me is they think Djing is easy. Now it produces a lot of undercutting wanna be Djs.
jshpro2 10:03 PM - 11 December, 2010
@Maskride I don't see the problem with it creating wannabe DJs, unless you suck and feel threatened by wannabes, you should feel honored they look up to you.

@DJask you're right I wasn't asking for your help. I was stating that Virtual DJ support wasn't interested in helping. Please stop straw manning the argument. I stated in PM remote support would be no more productive than this. You'll just sit there and tell me how I won't help myself, as opposed to the video which clearly proves the symptoms. My goal is not to get virtual DJ working anymore, it is to show that virtual DJ's support was not interested in helping.
kraal 11:49 PM - 11 December, 2010
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kraal if u were doing wedding u would love automix too.

i do weddings and dont need the vdj auto mix --- reasons
1 the continuos mode of ITCH works fine
2 itunes playlist works fine
3 i actually dont mind mixing so i will still do the dinner part live i mean that is why they are paying a dj and not listening to the radio or a cd player
kraal 11:50 PM - 11 December, 2010
4 -- i make my own mixes for the dinner and play those. i also sell those if they have no dj for the dinner
jshpro2 1:43 AM - 12 December, 2010
In regards to library management, its a "pro" that ITCH keeps deleted files. Consider the inverse behavior, you'd be whining about your ruined crates ;-)

I think you can sort by file status, and easily group together "deleted" files to remove them from the library in one operation.

I do agree though, that VDj's library is overall more robust.
jshpro2 1:45 AM - 12 December, 2010
Also for auto mixing, you can just use winamp, lol. The latest version automatically does a 1-2 second cross fade. I bet its adjustable too.
kraal 2:21 AM - 12 December, 2010
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In regards to library management, its a "pro" that ITCH keeps deleted files. .

never once has itch kept any of my deleted files deleted any of my files.
if you mean you deleted the on the hard drive well then there are simple ways to batch delete them from your library
Ragman 3:50 AM - 12 December, 2010
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3) The database managment in VDJ is far superior then itch. If i add a song in my Urban folder it automatically reconizes it and i just got to scan it for the bpm,lenght and gridding. In Itch its a pain which is freakin annoying. That in my opinion Serato needs to make shit easier to find when adding new songs. I dont want to re scan my whole damn folder or crate everytime.

I agree with you that Itch should have a dynamic folder update feature like VDJ, but in Itch you don't need to rescan an entire crate when you add a new song. You can simply drop it in and scan that one song.


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On another note , maybe im doing something worng. I just deleted a bunch of files from my library. How do i make these songs dissapear from my library? For exemple i had a duplicate song called lets say Serato.mp3. When i search i still see Serato.mp3 twice, but when i try to load both of em, one of em goes to red as not existant. I can then manually delete it by hitting delete ctrl. Why does that file show if its deleted? Is there a way when i rescan my files that it dosent see it anymore??

Hmmm... this sounds like you have a problem because when you do a ctrl>del that should remove the file name from your library (entirely). At least that's how it works for me. You might want to make sure that "Protect library" is unchecked in setup. It's located on the LIBRARY tab. If that's not the problem, open a ticket.
BadBoyChubs 3:59 AM - 12 December, 2010
i got use to itch library, i aint miss vdj because i take my time to weed out the tracks i would play and make a crate instead of browsing files
kraal 4:15 AM - 12 December, 2010
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i got use to itch library, i aint miss vdj because i take my time to weed out the tracks i would play and make a crate instead of browsing files

same here --- i dont need every song i may listen to in my dj crates
kraal 4:16 AM - 12 December, 2010
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On another note , maybe im doing something worng. I just deleted a bunch of files from my library. How do i make these songs dissapear from my library? For exemple i had a duplicate song called lets say Serato.mp3. When i search i still see Serato.mp3 twice, but when i try to load both of em, one of em goes to red as not existant. I can then manually delete it by hitting delete ctrl. Why does that file show if its deleted? Is there a way when i rescan my files that it dosent see it anymore??

hit the rescan id tags button
jshpro2 4:26 AM - 12 December, 2010
Kraal that feature removes deleted songs? What I meant was if you delete it off your hard drive it keeps the entry in your library, that way you have the choice to "relocate lost files" and not loose the integrity of your crates.

Are you saying when you rescan the files it automatically deletes em from the library though? Does it remove just missing files, or corrupt ones too?
BadBoyChubs 4:33 AM - 12 December, 2010
well after u rescan then u jus delete the files that are still missing, there is always a work around,

Like i have smart crates i jus open SSL 1st then i leave it update my crate and then copy it to a real crate and open Itch and whop there it is,

some people will rant and rave about how Itch needs smarts crates but i consider that i have it already, jus like a sample bank , i use kueit cause i know 6 samples aint enuff for me.
Ragman 5:11 AM - 12 December, 2010
Also Kueit has MIDI... great software
jshpro2 6:55 AM - 12 December, 2010
Do you guys make that program play over the NS7's sound card? Does that work??
kraal 8:24 AM - 12 December, 2010
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Kraal that feature removes deleted songs? What I meant was if you delete it off your hard drive it keeps the entry in your library, that way you have the choice to "relocate lost files" and not loose the integrity of your crates.

Are you saying when you rescan the files it automatically deletes em from the library though? Does it remove just missing files, or corrupt ones too?

both missing and corrupt can be deleted in seconds
kraal 8:26 AM - 12 December, 2010
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Like i have smart crates i jus open SSL 1st then i leave it update my crate and then copy it to a real crate and open Itch and whop there it is,

some people will rant and rave about how Itch needs smarts crates but i consider that i have it already, jus like a sample bank , i use kueit cause i know 6 samples aint enuff for me.

itunes is also good for fake smart crates
i use ableton for samples
jshpro2 8:29 AM - 12 December, 2010
@Kraal, I understand that, a few posts back I was pointing out how to delete them in one operation by sorting them to group by common statuses. I was asking if you were implying that the "rescan id3" tags would have the side effect of automatically doing this for us? Is that what you were suggesting?

Also I set Window's default sound card to the NS7, even disabled the laptop's speakers in device manager. When I play samples (ex. Windows notification sounds), nothing comes over my headphones. Does the sound card only work w/ the master output on the ns7?
kraal 8:31 AM - 12 December, 2010
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@Kraal, I understand that, a few posts back I was pointing out how to delete them in one operation by sorting them to group by common statuses. I was asking if you were implying that the "rescan id3" tags would have the side effect of automatically doing this for us? Is that what you were suggesting?

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it clears up all the inconsistancies that may or may not occure if that makes since? basically if you delete and stuff is not right or you have duplicate files randomly ect try rescanning idtags
jshpro2 9:01 AM - 12 December, 2010
Hmm In regards to my sound card issue I got it to work by playing over the master output. It will not play over the headphones, unfortunate for "bedroom DJs"
jshpro2 9:04 AM - 12 December, 2010
Hah this pretty much makes "the bridge" almost pointless for those that can beat match....
jshpro2 9:21 AM - 12 December, 2010
Hmm never-mind that made the audio all garbled, and physically running a wire is not an option due to jack positioning. Guess I'll have to wait for the bridge
BadBoyChubs 1:39 PM - 12 December, 2010
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Do you guys make that program play over the NS7's sound card? Does that work??


u can assign it to the ns7 sound card so u dont have to use a jack to aux in
DJChad72 12:47 AM - 16 December, 2010
A few points to consider:

1) ITCH/SSL has very tight integration with iTunes. Which means you can do playlist/crate management very easily with SMART LISTS in iTunes and it will be visible in ITCH. You also have the Prepare list in ITCH (same as with VDJ) so you can easily on the fly put songs together in queue to play. So I would not consider recreating this functionality in ITCH to be my priority. The ITCH/iTunes interface works just fine... and better yet you can sync your iPOD with the very same playlists you will use in ITCH. It helps me get alot more familar with the newer music I am considering playing at an upcoming gig. You can not do that if you work it the other way around. So I feel I get more re-usable functions by using iTunes vs. an isolated ITCH solution. Until there is 1 re-usable universal media/playlist/grouping management format that all music applications can use... the current iTunes/ITCH solution is the best one for me.

2) VDJ support blows. Serato support is incredible. In all fairness however, most of the issues with VDJ seem to be related with the fact they claim you can bring your own controller or sound card and it will work with VDJ. That does not always pan out to be true... the NS7 being a prime example. It took SEVERAL updates to VDJ for their scripting/mapping to work with the NS7. Also, their "embedded" mapper files come from their own staff and it is developed to their "taste" not necessarily how the controller's controls are labeled. It is the same with the shareware mappers available with your license. Which means there is alot of traffic with users trying to figure out how to remap the controller differently. VDJ's policy is they will give you a few nudges in the right direction, but after that they are not to assist any further. So it does create alot of complaints on issues with VDJ.

3) When I used VDJ, I only used Automix at a gig ONCE in my life. I had forgotten my headphones when packing up for the gig and 2 "helpers" got them for me... I used Automix for 5 songs until I got my headphones to jack in and cue appropriately. I would NEVER use it even for cocktail/dinner hour. I think the train wrecks in beat and keys is like nails on a chalkboard. I would take 5 seconds of silence over that anyday. If I had that situation with ITCH, I would have just started an appropriate PODCAST I had recorded in ITCH until my headphones arrived.
DJChad72 12:55 AM - 16 December, 2010
Also in addition to #2, from a Serato perspective they will take feedback from users on how they would like a mapping or function to work differently and put a SETUP option for users to choose how it should work. VDJ does this as well; however I am noticing more and more they are implementing changes to their scripting and mapper language and letting the user determine how to implement it into their setup.

So to me the VDJ solution is professional grade; however for the wrong reasons. You have to be a novice or expert in MIDI to take advantage of alot of the new features.... or hope a peer user has your same tastes or styles. With Serato, you can be a professional out of the box as long as you have the skills to perform. You do not need the skills to be a professional audio engineer, like you do with VDJ.
DJ High Tower 3:36 AM - 28 December, 2010
I rarely post, but this is an interesting thread. I use VDJ, SSL, and as soon as I take my NS7 out of the box I will also use Itch. I will use all three in the setting that each will be most useful. So, I guess I like them all. I just use iTunes to manage my music so everything is the same when I launch each software (hopefully that is true with Itch, anyway).

VDJ support is far and away the worst out there. Not just with DJ software, but any product I've ever dealt with. The guys like SBDJ are the only real help, and they don't work for Atomix. Kind of sad really since VDJ is very popular in my area with mobile guys. I actually only know of one mobile that doesn't use it.

Anyway, to each their own. If you want to rock a club with VDJ, I'm not hating on you... as long as you're not using Automix... then I'm hating in full force, LOL!
DJChad72 5:35 AM - 28 December, 2010
ITCH will use your iTunes library and play lists just like SSL and VDJ. I think it looks better in ITCH vs VDJ myself; however I think that is mostly due to the fact ITCH has more room dedicated to the library vs the decks like VDJ does. So I tend to like library navigation better in ITCH vs VDJ.

I am 1-zillion percent behind you on your assessment of VDJ support. They got me so angry one day, I actually photographed all my DJ hardware I used with VDJ, uploaded the pictures to ebay and sold it all that day. I then used the proceeds to buy a Xone DX. The Xone DX was not even out out. I was willing to turn down gigs in the meantime to just be rid of them. I spend ALOT of money tring to make their solution stable.

Their answers always involved me buying something: 1st it was buy a retail version of Windows 7 for my Sony Viao. 2nd it was buy a retail version of Window 7 for my Mac Book Pro. The Viao had entire computer lock ups with VDJ (no other software) so I was told to go buy a $200 Windows 7 license. Then when I had enough of the Windows/Sony, I bought a Mac Book Pro. VDJ worked great; however had no effects or plug ins what-so-ever. So I was told that since the community developers dont really have any incentive to port thier plug ins to MAC, I should just not use the MAC version at all.... instead buy Windows for my MBP and to run the Windows version of VDJ. Guess what I used my Win XP license and Windows 7 upgrade to get a clean version of the OS installed on the Sony... didnt change anything. Good thing I didnt waste money on a brand new license.

Since I have had the Xone DX and ITCH, I have spend no extra money out of pocket. They have never told me to go buy anything other than perhaps a high quality USB cable, which every laptop DJ should do.

I will say that shortly after I wrote my last post, I got a survey on how I would like VDJ to evolve... what I thought would be important to me. I provided honest feedback... and I hardly saw anything in VDJ7 resembling. So I think I got out at the right time.
DJ High Tower 3:19 AM - 29 December, 2010
Well, it figures... The day after saying that VDJ has the worst customer support ever I got a quick reply from one of their staffers that was very helpful and informative. So, I have to take my previous comment back. Maybe they've turned it around over there. This post wasn't at their request. I don't even know if the staffer knew about this. Just felt I should say it since I was wrong.
DJ High Tower 3:25 AM - 29 December, 2010
@DJ Chad... forgot to thank you for the feedback on the iTunes/Itch set up. Helped me decide to open the box and see what I can do with it.

As for the VDJ stuff... I had the same experiences with them a couple years ago. My $400 sound card wasn't compatible so the told me to buy another $350 card. Also said I needed a new mixer and that I should buy XP and use bootcamp.

Like I said above, that was a couple years ago and the guy I was dealing with today actually helped me out a lot. Maybe they started listening to the peeps?

Either way... I'm off my soap box and back to being a lurker, LOL
DJChad72 3:39 AM - 29 December, 2010
After I had that last straw, I wrote a strongly worded letter to every VDJ moderator I knew and wrote a physical letter. I dont know that either got read as I never got a reply. I just got a survey invite in return.

I agree there is a chance some of support personel has changed over and thus making the customer experience better. But with me, when I burn a bridge, I make sure there are no supports to go back. It would take Virtual DJ delivering a hand crafted mapper for the Xone DX to work EXACTLY as the buttons are labeled. I will not spend another minute or dollar trying to figure out syntax to a specialized and proprietary programming language.
SBDJ 4:17 AM - 29 December, 2010
I feel left out, I don't remember getting your letter :(

To be honest though writing a strongly worded letter to the moderators wouldn't have helped your situation. Moderators don't work for Atomix and are just community volunteers who help manage the forum - they are nothing to do with support. Messaging all of them with 'strongly worded letters' would do nothing but annoy them IMHO.

Mapping on VDJ is extremely simple - you can point and click for a lot of things. If you can't work out the (simple) syntax then you can always post on the forum and ask for help. People usually do.

The benefit of this mapping ability is that it can support any MIDI or HID device, and perform just about any function. I can even add new functions to the software that don't exist yet with a quick blat of C++.

Like I say everyone likes different things, and you should stick with what you like and what works for you. I like configurable, flexible and expandable. Others prefer something else.

@ DJ High Tower - thanks, I try and be helpful where I can. Unfortunately you can't help everyone, and some people don't want to help themselves. A few people have thrown a whole truckload of abuse at me recently when I've tried to help. I've never had to contact support personally, although I did used to lend a hand on the old chat support system occasionally.
DJChad72 4:51 AM - 29 December, 2010
SBDJ,

I had no idea that the moderators or chat support reps are NOT Atomix employees and are volunteers. That is VERY concerning since via chat they will actually connect to your computer and make changes. Those tags are very misleading as you expect them to be employees are are held accountable for any damage they may do to your system or who may somehow steal data from your computer. I am not saying that to accusational.... but it also now seems VDJ cant even afford a true support desk? Given they are entirely based online, that is most unfortunate as well as enlightening why the support seemd to be so unprofessional... it is because it was not a professional support group. It was volunteers.

Also, yes MAPPING using the GUI is very easy. However once you have a control that will not map correctly, you have to start over and do a definition file for everything. Unfortunately that is the response VDJ support told me on the decorder knobs and jog wheels for the Xone DX (and the other A&H MIDI controllers). I used the tool to obtain the MIDI values for those controls and shared them with support. They told me to google MIDI converstion tools to get the MIDI values to hex or dec to use in the mapper... but I didnt have any luck or time to get very far that way. The Xone DX has alot of buttons, controls, as well as layers if you wanted to do multiple layer control mappings... all of which is beyong my level of patence and time.

I also am with you on the flexible, configurable, and expandable solutions. I work in IT and it is my job to make sure solutions are with in the roadmap for the business I support. So when I buy technical anything for myself home or DJ, I am always trying to think in those terms. However what I found with VDJ is I spent too much time trying to prefect my setup changes and had too much of that "bambi on ice" feeling when I would DJ out with the rig. It was a complete wear out on my time and nerves as I also had to try and get my sets ready as well.

There is just something to be said about just getting to be a DJ and let the developers develop the solution. :) Now if it was my full time job during the day to be an audio engineer and I could actually take classes and training to understand midi, hex, dec, and any other needed skills... it would be different.
kraal 5:03 AM - 29 December, 2010
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There is just something to be said about just getting to be a DJ and let the developers develop the solution. :) Now if it was my full time job during the day to be an audio engineer and I could actually take classes and training to understand midi, hex, dec, and any other needed skills... it would be different.

see vdj pushed me towards ITCH cause i have no programing desire.. no matter how 'simple' the laguage is i wanted someone else to make the software work... seeing mappers for windows and not for mac. having stuff not work and being told to quit asking questions and just read the 'how to's ' when asked for mappin help. I still own vdj still have mapping issues but i moved on to ITCH again 2 different mindsets. ITCH fits mine
SBDJ 11:34 AM - 29 December, 2010
Telephone support is definitely done by Atomix employees in the US and the chat system no longer exists. There is still the ticket system too which is done by Atomix too now - for example I'm a 'senior moderator' and have no access to said system.

Personally if I was to give someone remote access to my system, my eyes would never leave the screen - I don't trust anyone regardless of who they work for. At my old day job I had an MS employee connect to my system so he could access my entire work domain to evaluate the environment I had configured with some new beta MS products. I watched him like a hawk!

Some MIDI devices are harder to map than others - it's hard to accommodate for every variation and I'm sorry you had difficulty with the DX. It's generally better to use a definition file anyway, since it lets you do far more. I'd certainly have tried to lend a hand if I'd seen a forum thread about a definition file for it. Always easier with the box in front of you though, my EVO5 one only took a couple of minutes to do.

The mindset thing is exactly the point - Itch is a 1:1 hardware solution (and a very good one at that) and fits that requirement. Some people like to plug in, play and go - as you say letting the developers develop. Personally I like to set things up exactly as I want them (not as someone else thinks they should be) after which it's all plug and play. I've also got all my settings saved so I have a backup of them, and can switch between different configurations at the drop of a hat.

Hopefully you don't really need classes to understand dec ;)
DJChad72 12:26 AM - 30 December, 2010
That is good to know on the support. Ya my DX situation was through a ticket, and I assure you I watched them like a hawk when they were doing things. But what is really to stop them from executing a script in the background with a "hide window" control. Normally support agents that access customer premise equipment are "bonded" for any liable damages that may occur during the support session.

Sometimes knowing the above leads to faulty assumptions. So I only have myself to blame there. LOL

I would be happy to copy and paste you the book exchanged in the VDJ ticket on the DX via PM if you would like to see that fun that was had. The guy was really nice, but given I provded him the MIDI values... my hope was he could have easily wrote the definition file for me. I tried to do some, test it, do some, test it... but I could not even get the file ID to recognite the Xone DX to even test the ones I tried to map via the definition file.

I guess I should know DEC. I just would not know how to convert MIDI to DEC. However I think he told me it needed to be in HEX ( or worked best in HEX.)
SBDJ 2:35 AM - 30 December, 2010
Hex is just more commonly used when working with MIDI, that's all. It'll work happily with either base in VDJ though. It's just a method of representing a number at the end of the day after all. 0A = 10, FF = 255 and so on.

Looks like you were almost there with the information you exchanged. The sticking point for identification is how you tell VDJ what actual device your definition maps to. As of v7 you can use driver name, USB VID/PID or preferably sysexid.

Since you're happy with Itch there's little point in working out a mapping for you now, but I'm always happy to help with enquiries if it is an avenue you want to investigate further. You had JP helping you and he's generally very knowledgeable about these things :)

All the best for the future mate. I'm quite surprised I haven't been hated on yet though for my own personal choices ;)
DJChad72 2:47 AM - 30 December, 2010
what is that personal choice? lol
DJ_Esco 6:24 AM - 30 December, 2010
+1 DJChad72
I was considering doing a video on both on Youtube as comparison ITCH vs VDJ Pro. I may wait off till January 1st (newYears and new quarter) to see if ITCH has anything else they are bringing to the table.
Papa Midnight 8:14 AM - 30 December, 2010
With the NS7, I use ITCH. Mostly. Sometimes I use Virtual DJ just to get a kick out of it. It's strange seeing how NS7 support has progressed with VDJ, but it still needs work and a lot of it. In example, braking / start times aren't supported yet and there's a slight delay between the track start and when you can actually control it with the platters.

Mostly, while mobile DJ'ing, I'll use ITCH, but I've done some clubs where the excuse for a "DJ booth" physically can't be any bigger than a small bedroom closet. For that, my Stanton SCS3 DaScratch comes with me and I've used it with Virtual DJ. It's easier to carry around than the NS7 and works fine - though it is hell to scratch on (ironic, despite it's name) and I applaud anyone who can. Strangely enough, I have no mapping problems with the SCS3 and no problems with VDJ using it either - usually (What can I say? Shit happens).

Sometimes, for kicks, I use Virtual DJ for 4 Deck controlling. The NS7 controlling Decks 1 & 2, and the SCS3 controlling decks 3 & 4. It works amazingly well.

Then there are times when I just could REALLY use a sampler / sample bank (Hello, Virtual DJ). What I like about VDJ is that the 12 sample banks are mapped to the row of function keys, being F1 through F12. That's simplicity in design if I ever saw it. I honestly wish Serato Audio Research would implement the same into ITCH.
Papa Midnight 8:21 AM - 30 December, 2010
By the way, nice to see Scott (SBDJ) here. I look at the work he does on the Virtual DJ forum and I don't think I've seen anyone work harder. Hope that personal family situation you heard a while back in June of this year turned out okay.
SBDJ 12:20 PM - 30 December, 2010
Thanks, I often read the Serato forums. Lots of good information here, especially the VSL subforum. Being primarily a VDJ user though I tend to stay quiet given the abuse they tend to get. For the record though we're not all automixing wavies!

As for my personal family situation, it's a long story - basically in December 2008 I lost a son and another was left heavily disabled. Been ongoing ever since with lots of ups and downs.
seratosnatch 12:59 PM - 30 December, 2010
kraal 5:16 PM - 30 December, 2010
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. Being primarily a VDJ user though I tend to stay quiet given the abuse they tend to get. For the record though we're not all automixing wavies!


funny thing is a lot of people here own both :)
BadBoyChubs 3:12 PM - 2 January, 2011
well i had a night mare old yrs nite, I was seting up to dj wid another DJ , i was using my Ns7 and he was on pionneers cdj 1000 wid dmx pro mixer so i had to run my ns7 thru his mixer and cause he was the main. i said not a problem, when i hook up my ns7 i got a large static noise and humming sound, when ever i hook up my ns7. i was like *sh*t*.

Here the joke the promoter said "do u still have ur Hercules rmx controller wid VDJ" i said yes. he said go for it,. cause he aint have jacks for the XLR on my ns7. I said i dont use it any more and dont even have a playlist because any dj who has over 500gb of music knows how had it is to find tracks.

"Oh way b4 u all jus jump up and say VDJ sees serato crates, on a mac it is not able to load them only on windows machine.:"

But some how the serato gods help me out cause only they knew i dont want to use VDJ. so the adapter for the mixer blow and they had to get another mixer and it was a 4 channel mixer and it worked prefect,

Gone to Itch and never lookin back at VDJ.

P.S. I made the pioneer Dj look bad cause he cant come close to my NS7. I had the crowd going wild
bigdik magee 5:29 AM - 4 January, 2011
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well i had a night mare old yrs nite, I was seting up to dj wid another DJ , i was using my Ns7 and he was on pionneers cdj 1000 wid dmx pro mixer so i had to run my ns7 thru his mixer and cause he was the main. i said not a problem, when i hook up my ns7 i got a large static noise and humming sound, when ever i hook up my ns7. i was like *sh*t*.

Here the joke the promoter said "do u still have ur Hercules rmx controller wid VDJ" i said yes. he said go for it,. cause he aint have jacks for the XLR on my ns7. I said i dont use it any more and dont even have a playlist because any dj who has over 500gb of music knows how had it is to find tracks.

"Oh way b4 u all jus jump up and say VDJ sees serato crates, on a mac it is not able to load them only on windows machine.:"

But some how the serato gods help me out cause only they knew i dont want to use VDJ. so the adapter for the mixer blow and they had to get another mixer and it was a 4 channel mixer and it worked prefect,

Gone to Itch and never lookin back at VDJ.

P.S. I made the pioneer Dj look bad cause he cant come close to my NS7. I had the crowd going wild


+1 do your thang bubba like that energy! would a nice usb/firewire audio interface fix this for you next time?
BadBoyChubs 1:23 PM - 4 January, 2011
usb/firewire audio interface could maybe solve the problem. It was the mixer they was using. I tried it on another DMX pro, wid the same results.

I heard that a "RCA Ground Loop Isolator" can fix it also
DJChad72 2:00 PM - 4 January, 2011
Yes. Radio shack has them available online and in store. Funny how most of the big dj shops dont?!
whereami 2:43 PM - 4 January, 2011
WHICH DO I PREFER?
Ofcourse it defends on "where" im using it,

If ill be using it for gig which involves "video"....... U know what i prefer.
If ill be using it for gig which involves "scratch" ....... U know what scratch is for right? ..... for "itchy" part (",)

But please SERATO do something & start making people happy & make itch capable of playing video..... lol
whereami 2:59 PM - 4 January, 2011
for those who might be asking.........

YUP I have both itch & vdj.....
dj56_56 6:48 AM - 5 January, 2011
I have both,
VDJ
Pros
* Cues toggle to release the song(my preference)
* Scratch is tighter (buffer is better. really,.. it is)
* Play Samples and Videos with no additional add-ons fees
* Can change sound cards/midi mapping/ add other units
* and True configuration setting; GUI, EQ, Recording, edit the windows record tags etc.
* Update more then others dj softwares and can download samples, skins, effects

Cons
(for me) the track(record) will go back to the beginning without my command (just out of the blue) And that there is why it isn't my default dj software.
* the Wave from deck 1 is clashing/riding with the wave on deck 2 (like on the same line) even with changing the GUI

And to all who doesn't know.. Virtual Vinyl Sound Card cost $300.00 and VDJ Pro Software cost $200.00, so that isn't far to how much SSL-1 cost

Well, we all know what Itch has and doens't has
SBDJ 11:06 AM - 5 January, 2011
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(for me) the track(record) will go back to the beginning without my command (just out of the blue) And that there is why it isn't my default dj software.


I'd recommend a support ticket or thread for that one!

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the Wave from deck 1 is clashing/riding with the wave on deck 2 (like on the same line) even with changing the GUI


Waves overlay by default, but this is a skin choice. An example of this is on the default 4 deck skins for VDJ7 - there is a wave button that toggles various wave modes.
Kmxorbit 12:18 PM - 5 January, 2011
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* Scratch is tighter (buffer is better. really,.. it is)

Strange, I have also VDJ, Itch (v7, ns7 and vci) and SSL1.
Scratch in VDJ is really bad in my setup. It's actually way off.
VDJ also shuts down out of the blue...no warning, nothing. It's one of the quickest closing programs on my computer and in this case it's not really a positive behaviour.

Glad to hear it does also other things out of the blue. It confirms my experience this program is unreliable in the highest degree...
NikkiDJ 1:55 PM - 5 January, 2011
I was using VDJ 6 years. I tried Tractor and finally ITCH. I am still using VDJ in my vinyl setup and it works great, but i prefer ITCH (currently using it with NS7). It is simple and do the job.
Maskrider 11:22 PM - 5 January, 2011
Isn't that what we always need simple and do the job.
DJChad72 1:44 AM - 6 January, 2011
I think that is what most DJs want. I initially used Numark Cue (aka VDJ) for 3 or 4 years (because I was in camp Numark for the 5 years I used CDs.) Their CDN players were solid, portable, and best of all... most more cost effective than CDJ1000's. Consequently, I trained a few DJs on my setup, and therefore they were comfortable with Cue/VDJ with Numark Hardware. Therefore when they went to buy equipment for themselves they bought Numark and Cue/VDJ. The Stealth Control, DJIO, and DMC2 were all very affordable and powerful solutions.

What I didnt really realize or count on was the hours I would spend with them trying to teach them how mapping works, how to configure their sound cards... you do not know how many PANICED voicemails I would get from them minutes before their gig start trying to figure out why main sound was coming out the headphones and headphones out the mains... or why a button work work as mapped for the first half of the night but not the last half. It was soooo frusterating on my part to have to drop everything I was doing on my nights off to run into a club and help some poor DJ who wasnt "geting it" over the phone.

In hind site, ITCH would have been such a better solution for them. It would have masked all this messy setup that just is beyond their grasp. They get their music, mixing, etc... very well. It was clear routing channels and adapting connections was not their forte.

I have a DJ friend who plays nation/worldwide and is basically wretchedly afraid of the whole computer setup. He does email/web/chat/facebook and some music editing on his Mac... and that is it. He would soooo not get mapping controls in Traktor or VDJ. He might get mapping sound channels and such... but keeping up with drivers seperately, compatibility issues, etc... would sooo just absolutely turn him off. He would return it/sell it in an instant.

So simplicity is VERY important to not only new but veteran DJs. I would count myself as a DJ that tries to stay current with all the new DJ tech, and if I am given a GUI to accomplish the goal I can handle that. But as soon as I have to start writing files, learning syntax languages, learning about driver settings, and such... I am out! lol Dont have the time for that crap!

VDJ has its advantages. However I have learned my lesson not only for myself but for those who ask my opinion. It is one thing to teach a DJ to mix on a computer setup. It is entirely something else to ask them to learn how to setup, maintain, and adapt their setup on the fly.
Kmxorbit 11:44 AM - 6 January, 2011
DJChad72: you're spot on.
You describe exactly the same feeling I have with VDJ.
I was also persuaded by the excess amount of possibilities it offers (that was before I was in the serato camp).
But when I started mapping, it turned out to be more complex then they ever will admit at atomix because if you don't watch out you could create conflicting mappings that ruined the mix and in worst case scenario even the stability of the program itself.
And, most of the time you find that out when you're performing...

So VDJ gave me that uncomfortable double feeling... Yeah, the possibilities were very interesting, but the stability gave me a kind of "deadly fever - feeling" thinking "when will it crash? when will it crash? when will it crash?" every performance I used it.

Itch is straight forward and rock solid... and also pretty feature packed if you're honest with it.

Make an honest Comparison between an Itch + V7's + DJM800 set-up with a CDJ-2000's + DJM800 + recordbox set-up and you'll have to admit that Itch is a far better deal in DJ-feel (solidness) , performance (scratching that is), features and price.
And now we're talking about a top-line DJ set-up comparison, aren't we?
SBDJ 2:12 PM - 6 January, 2011
I've not seen a mapping that can make the software unstable. Mapping isn't complex unless you want to do complex stuff. You can always ask for help too. Luckily for me I've never had it crash and I use it for all sorts of stuff.
Kmxorbit 5:18 PM - 6 January, 2011
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I've not seen a mapping that can make the software unstable. Mapping isn't complex unless you want to do complex stuff. You can always ask for help too. Luckily for me I've never had it crash and I use it for all sorts of stuff.


Well if the mapping doesn't cause problems then the whole program wasn't ok... (PS: I'm talking about my experience with VDJ5 because I don't want to use it any more...)

If I use 2 effects at the same time it crashed... And certain mappings you had to program certain actions in sequence after each other to make it work easy/logic. I had stability issues with that. (With a quite overspecced PC by the way.)

And the Skins, omg... When using a screen size they don't support, and you want to go full screen, everything looks distorted with a pixel sharpness almost as good as the original 8bit "donkey kong" arcade game.

But, I have to admit, they are quite inventive too at atomix. They have features where I think.... "nice!"
Anyway, VDJ is great for an (auto background) mix at home for example. But personally i believe there are better alternatives on the shelves for professional use...
SBDJ 9:51 PM - 6 January, 2011
For you perhaps.

Not every professional has your requirements though - Itch doesn't presently fulfil mine. SSL is a little closer for me, but is still missing a few things.

An SDK would probably fix most of my issues as I'd be able to sort the things I want/need.

Luckily for me VDJ has only crashed when I've been doing development work, which has given it a 100% reliable track record for me. Whilst others haven't been so lucky their issues are often resolvable.
ontime1269 10:01 PM - 6 January, 2011
So, if I decided I wanted to try VDJ out with my NS7, I would have to map it all out myself? No native settings? I've never used the program.
kraal 10:18 PM - 6 January, 2011
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So, if I decided I wanted to try VDJ out with my NS7, I would have to map it all out myself? No native settings? I've never used the program.

i think you will find the latest mappers on the latest version for the ns7
ontime1269 10:42 PM - 6 January, 2011
I'm MIDI dumb(insert your favorite misquote)LOL. If I bought and downloaded VDJ, could I open VDJ, turn on my NS7 and start mixing immediately?
NikkiDJ 10:51 PM - 6 January, 2011
not exactly.. You will have to do some settings (audio setup and midi setup). Mappers are on VDJ page, not sure if they are already in VDJ when you instal it.
bigdik magee 11:00 PM - 6 January, 2011
do the platters work yet?
kraal 11:33 PM - 6 January, 2011
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not exactly.. You will have to do some settings (audio setup and midi setup). Mappers are on VDJ page, not sure if they are already in VDJ when you instal it.

i think there is a basic ns7 drop down selection
Papa Midnight 1:39 AM - 7 January, 2011
If you connected your NS7, opened Virtual DJ (Pro. Home - the free version - does not support controllers), click setup and changed the audio device to Numark NS7 Audio Device, Speakers / Headphones, and Microphone and hit apply, it would work. Mappings are essentially the same but for a few slight nuances: First up, the platter brake / spin up knobs don't do anything. They'll still brake / spin up at maximum speed, though the 33/45 RPM setting does work fine. Secondly, the red/white/red bar that usually is used for syncing in ITCH instead shows you the position of your headphone monitor in VDJ. When starting Virtual DJ, make sure that your headphone monitor fader is all the way to the LEFT else Virtual DJ takes it to mean that you want headphone mix to be set to maximum. Seriously, once you know these little nuances, Virtual DJ works just fine.
DJChad72 2:59 AM - 8 January, 2011
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I've not seen a mapping that can make the software unstable. Mapping isn't complex unless you want to do complex stuff. You can always ask for help too. Luckily for me I've never had it crash and I use it for all sorts of stuff.


As of a year ago... VDJ will try and push you in the right direction, but they will not follow you through to the end when it comes to using the mapping syntax, GUI, or writing specific definition files. As for your needs for assistance, you have to also consider that you believe converting MIDI to HEX, writing definition files, and developing audio plug ins are fairly straight forward and easy.

I find this funny because it is just like those Home Depot "you can do it" commercials and books. They try and make everyone believe that they can install their own shower.... when in reality most people can barely install their own shower head... let alone the entire apperatice. :)

As for mappings not being entirely stable, please refer to these pictures of the Numark Stealth Control:

www.numark.com
www.dawsons.co.uk

Notice the 4 knob and button sections above each deck. Notice how the buttons differ in terms of label. I tried to map these to initiate specific effects on the respective decks the buttons reside on. It should be just like PLAY, CUE, PAUSE right? buttons that are mirrored on each deck. NOPE! All would be good starting out, but somewhere along the way, the buttons would get confused and initiate the intended effect on the wrong deck or not at all. It got to the point you couldnt count on the mapping working correctly.

When I approached VDJ about this issue, they took it as my inability to use the mapping functions. I did everything they said, shared with them the resulting file from the GUI mapping, and they could see I was mapping everything as it should. I then pointed out to them that their GUI labels did not match the buttons on both sides. In fact some buttons had identical addresses... which is what was confusing the mapping engine. They closed the thread and my support ticket and took it up with me over EMAIL. They then told me I was crazy and it had to be something I was doing. I then showed them pictures from the web, just like above, and said that not all units are alike and therefore that must be the problem. They still didnt believe me. Finally they admitted something was wrong and said it was fixed in the next DOT release. Well, they did something because I had to remap the whole unit... and STILL those buttons would not behave reliably.

Honestly, that was Strike 2 with me. Strike 1 was I bought a VCI100 and everytime I touched the Jog Wheels it would STOP the track (I HATE THAT.) Support connected to my machine and worked with me for a good 2 hours and they could NOT make the jog wheels behave like they were just that... jog wheels. I had to return the VCI100 becaues I could not be spend the entire night scared to touch the jog wheels. Strike 3 was when the told me to buy a new full version of Windows to fix my Sony VAIO lock ups with VDJ. (never mind when I would practice with Traktor, it would never lock up on me.) Strike 4 was when, after spending $1700 on a MAC they tell me to buy Windows to run VDJ because no one develops plug ins effects for MAC.

I agree with you mapping with the GUI is easy, as it should be. However if something does not work... something as simple as mirrored buttons on decks... you pay hell to get any one to help you. To this day, my blood pressure starts to boil thinking of all the time I had to spend just to PROVE there was a problem.... like I was some defendant on trial! So keep that in mind SBDJ, if you are a professional audio engineer by day these things may be a simple matter for you to resolve and communicate... but if you are not it will litterly drain your life force trying to make it work.
SBDJ 4:48 AM - 8 January, 2011
Thats the thing - you don't convert MIDI to hex. You're talking about converting decimal to hex - and windows calculator can do that for you. Of course most MIDI sniffer programs and MIDI information is already supplied in hex, so your point here is kind of redundant. VDJ does however support using both base 10 and base 16 numbering.

That bodged mapping doesn't make VDJ unstable. I've never seen a mapping actually crash VDJ. Granted if the mapping isn't correct then it could have unpredictable results - but unpredictable and unstable are two very different things in my book. I'm probably jinxing myself I've yet to actually have a crash at a gig on any of the software I use/have used.

It sounds like you had lots of issues with customisation and support and there really is not much I can say about that. I do tonnes of mapping and it always works for me. I've mapped my Ecler EVO5 for example for all sorts of tasks, including video transition selection, sampler control. I can even use the endless encoders as jogwheels in a pinch. Not much help to you though I know.

I don't work for Atomix or work in support so will stay squarely out of that one. It does sound like you got a bum deal, but there are always two sides to every story. Support aren't really there to deal with customisation issues anyway as they'd never get anything done otherwise!

The whole MAC plugin development thing really annoys the crap out of me. I've produced loads of video plugins for the windows version of VDJ - which is what I use. I don't currently own a mac and have no intention of buying one at present. The amount of people who bitch at me for not porting my plugins is unbelievable - they expect me to buy a mac out of my own pocket and spend my time developing plugins with absolutely no benefit to me. As you point out you spent $1700 on a MAC - even if I sold the plugins it would take serious time to recoup my hardware costs, as well as my time. You'd soon have complained if I was charging $50 a plugin for example. Porting video plugins isn't as simple as you might think. There are big differences between DirectX and OpenGL.

I'm not a professional audio engineer by any stretch of the imagination. I have one job - I'm a DJ and have been for some 18 years. Granted I've also spent time in other industries - including application development. All this experience probably does stand me in very good stead though - I'm always willing to share this expertise with others.

The best place to get mapping help is on the forum. People ask all the time and pretty much all of them get an answer - either the mapping they want or being told that what they want isn't currently possible. If you don't have the skills to achieve what you want - and not everyone does - then you can usually get help from someone who can.
kraal 6:26 AM - 8 January, 2011
This is turning into a long argument stating a simple concept. Most who are complaining about vdj don't care to map or track down mappings therefore the prefer itch. Which goes to show both itch and surplus a catering to a separate core group of users.


Btw the one thing I miss from vdj is the beatgrid effect
Kmxorbit 9:30 AM - 8 January, 2011
By the way: In VDJ, Personally I did nothing else then customizing the keyboard with their built-in functions. Nothing Fancy, and it didn't work in a stable way.

So, I'm glad there is Itch with the V7's. This has broadened my way of spinning and my faith in digital Dj'ing.

And yes, the Beat grid effect in VDJ is pretty cool... ;-)
SBDJ 12:40 PM - 8 January, 2011
Which is exactly why I've always said that different people like different things, and that you should always use what suits you personally :)

Lets face it: Competition is good for everyone in the long run!
whereami 12:47 PM - 10 January, 2011
I honestly believe that if ITCH will be video compatible (meaning can play & project videos) this discussion will be over.

peace (",)
whereami 12:48 PM - 10 January, 2011
sorry for my english......
me no speak too much americano lol
kraal 4:45 PM - 10 January, 2011
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I honestly believe that if ITCH will be video compatible (meaning can play & project videos) this discussion will be over.

peace (",)

agree
Kmxorbit 5:14 PM - 10 January, 2011
A new discussion wil start...
What else is there compared with the others
kraal 5:24 PM - 10 January, 2011
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A new discussion wil start...
What else is there compared with the others

i think the vdj conversation will end--- other than video there really isnt a 'grass is greenner' feature
SBDJ 5:27 PM - 10 January, 2011
Perhaps not to you.

There are however loads of features besides straight video support I use in VDJ that aren't available in Itch.

Even the API for video lets me do all sorts of things you can't do in VSL.
kraal 5:35 PM - 10 January, 2011
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Perhaps not to you.

There are however loads of features besides straight video support I use in VDJ that aren't available in Itch.

Even the API for video lets me do all sorts of things you can't do in VSL.

im talking about most of the itch users here--- but i should stop commenting on this i stated why i choose itch. You claim you don't but anytime some one says something against vdj ( on an ITCH forum) they get a 7 paragraph dissertation stating that their personal experiences are wrong and they are doing something wrong it's not the software. (again why i don't visit vdj forum)
kraal 5:39 PM - 10 January, 2011
^^ apologies that reads a lot more hostile than it should^
Kmxorbit 7:57 PM - 10 January, 2011
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^^ apologies that reads a lot more hostile than it should^

that, my friend, is because you're evil... :-D
DJChad72 8:02 PM - 10 January, 2011
SBDJ, to your point about personal preference: I know about 10-12 DJs in my local area... and NONE of them would have the technical expertise to do anything with an open source API. They are very diverse on their perferences: CDJ1k's with Serato, CD Players only, or will use VDJ with premade mappings. The VDJ users will never be the kind to go out on their own to mess with the mappings of their controllers. It isnt they are not smart enough... it is just they are not confident enough. They have also learned the mappers in the VDJ community site are really trial and error... because you never know how the maker really mapped it. It really comes down to personal preference.

Therefore, for those users, they would not really miss anything if they were using ITCH instead of VDJ. They only chose VDJ because that is what they learned on through me, OR the club they used to DJ at used VDJ occassional to do video. However for their purposes and technical level... Video is really the only delta in the picture to them.

What they want is a solid solution where the hardware does EXACTLY what you expect it to do... and if it doesnt... Serato support will tell you how it was designed and implemented. They then take your feedback on how it could be tweaked... see if there is an audience for it... and then implement it in a future release.
SBDJ 8:29 PM - 10 January, 2011
My point was simply that 'video' isn't the only thing VDJ has going for it. Whether those things matter to you or not is entirely a different matter.

I deal with a lot of users having issues, and a lot of the time it is that they are doing something wrong or misunderstanding how something works. When it does turn out to be a software problem I try and help with a workaround and I'll even raise the issue for attention with the development team where necessary. In no way do I believe it's always the users fault.

The API doesn't have to be used by everyone - but the benefits of it can be used by everyone with no technical expertise at all. Making video transitions for example, new video effects and so on.

Your point about the Serato way is well taken, but there is room for both. Some of us like having the ability to change things ourself, some don't. As I've said all along, personal choice.

I didn't realise I was annoying you all by participating in VDJ threads on an Itch forum, trying to inject an alternate point of view to all the usual VDJ hating that happens on the Serato forums. I apologise for being so verbose, it's just my style I'm afraid.
kraal 8:58 PM - 10 January, 2011
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I didn't realise I was annoying you all by participating in VDJ threads on an Itch forum, trying to inject an alternate point of view to all the usual VDJ hating that happens on the Serato forums. I apologise for being so verbose, it's just my style I'm afraid.

see i learned the hardway on these forums if you play counter point with EVERY SINGLE post you lose validity in your statements and get labled as a cheerleader. so unless it is really adding something new to the arguement it turns into talking to hear yourself talk. like i said i learned this by personal experience
DJChad72 10:00 PM - 10 January, 2011
SBDJ, you are soooo NOT annoying and I really enjoy the conversation (believe it or not.) I really didnt know about some of the support nuances, until you and I had our friendly sparing earlier in this thread.

I think if I were in your position of knowledge, I probably would be using VDJ. At first I was really very Pro VDJ and liked the openess of the solution. But as time goes on, and technology advances... a person can easily be left behind in the dust. Which is sort of what happened to me with VDJ. It evolved at a time were my daily schedule involved a glass of water for lunch and having to be late to my 4 o'clock meeting because I couldnt hold off going to the bathroom any longer. (sorry I know that is a little TMI, but it pains the picture! LOL)

I am going to make an assumption that you had a view into the VDJ Script language for a while before 6.0 launched? In fact, I would not be surpised if you helped write some of the "embedded" mappers that come installed with the EXE/DMG files. Because of this you have to consider you had time to get comfortable with the use of that long before the average VDJ user. Being involved with it during that phase of development, you also should have also gotten support from VDJ on the use of it... something that the average VDJ user does not get. We will get the first two responses point us to the manual/wiki... the next two will be an attempt to help us... and the 5th response will be "we do not really support uses using the VDJ script as it is up to the user to determine how they use it."

I think it would be VERY enlightening to read how you use VDJ as DJ. Forget mappings, APIs, Plug In Development, etc... take away all the stuff you have done YOURSELF and tell us how you would view/use VDJ as a solution as it came out of the box. I am not sure you can even make a baseline comparision because I am sure it was a while since you took it out of the box. <grin> But would be interesting to hear your thoughts on VDJ out of the box... no modification or development on your part. If you didnt have the skills you have and just had to sort of accept it "as is" do you think it would still be your DJ software of choice?
SBDJ 11:32 PM - 10 January, 2011
Nope, not responsible for any of the built in mappers!

I do understand what you are saying though. I don't recall much of the v6.0 beta phase - it all happened at a time where one of my sons had just died and for some reason I draw a blank when I think about what else was going on for the months around that time.

I accepted the software as was when I bought it at v3.x. I didn't develop any addons to it myself for some considerable time - I just used what others had done. In time I began to feel there were things I could improve upon, so I did. It started out with mappers - which back then was all C++. Then I moved onto video plugins which certainly wasn't easy - prior to that I'd never done any real 3D or DX work.

A comparison with starting afresh now is difficult because the hardware I'm using is built around that system and the use of video further isolates my choices. Once more systems are doing video I think things will improve for all video users. Competition is gooood.

I'm constantly on the lookout for the next thing that will allow me to be more creative, or even just bring in more fun for me!
DJ Cs 12:49 AM - 11 January, 2011
@SBDJ,
First let me start by saying I'm very sorry about your son...I can't imagine as a parent, the incredible pain that must be.

Reading through the entire thread was VERY enlightening with your viewpoint on VDJ. Thanks for your input.

As Krall stated, if you argue point to point on what VDJ is compared to ITCH on an ITCH forum, then you can expect to be pointed out as simply defending VDJ.

Many of us have and are still using VDJ OR have used it before. Better to point out what the updated version has IMPROVED upon to make your points to ITCH users.

Many of us have used it and love all the features it brings to the table, in fact, it is the only viable alternative to ITCH because it supports the NS7 and (V7?) natively.

I also want to point out that the VDJ forum users literally HOUNDED Atomix to pick up support and work with numark/serato on implementing their controller.
The Forum user's went so far as to do most of the legwork (mapping) of the controller themselves. So just wanted to state that as a FACT, companies like Serato/numark and Atomix have forums for a reason. It is to pick up valuable feedback,FEATURE REQUESTS, tips, hints, bugs, fixes, etc that they would never be able to independently pay for with such dedicated a follow-up.

Working for a fortune 100 company, trust me, this feedback is invaluable and they are 9/10 times willing to put up with the criticism if it makes a better product. You do understand that we are the FREE (per se) 100% loyal testers giving feedback with no prompting or payment from them? All they need to do is monitor the forum and pick and choose what is valuable or not and act on that.

Either way, VDJ is the closest 1 to 1 comparison to ITCH that we have and it gives those of us who care a choice of what to use with our ITCH controller until ITCH implements what many on the forum are asking for in their great product.

A win-win situation for Serato and ITCH.
whereami 4:18 AM - 14 January, 2011
Dear SERATO,
We are your avid product lover (itch)
We humbly request your knowledgeable, responsible & accurate team to please make it able to play video so we can use it in gigs that require video projection.
We would highly appreciate that you do it soon.
We hope to stay with serato as much as possible
but you understand that there are gigs that requires video projection.
So please, please, please provide our request.
Humbly yours,
ITCH USERS


those who are interested & who agree with the features requested
Pls like (is there a like button? lol (",)
pls like, reply, copy paste what ever action needed to prove to serato that there are a lot of people who really wants the requested feature.
If it is required to post this so many times, we should, so serato can see.
thanks
dj ask 6:34 AM - 14 January, 2011
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We are
We humbly request
We would highly appreciate
We hopes


double personality? :D
PapiC 11:24 AM - 14 January, 2011
majestic plural ?
kraal 11:28 AM - 14 January, 2011
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If it is required to post this so many times, we should, so serato can see.
thanks

serato saw this request it was posted the first time abd the 500th time too ... read around the forum--relax and enjoy yourself and you will see it has actually been address,hinted at and eluded to recently
DJChad72 1:56 PM - 14 January, 2011
Two new ITCH controllers announced today. A 4 channel Numark NS6 and a 2 Channel Pioneer. Awesome additions to the line up!

SBDJ, It would be awesome to have your skills to pretty much nearly achieve whatever you want. I used to have those skills (not for music/audio style development, more for busines)... but as my career has gone forward (in my day time job) I have moved into more IT mgmt. So my brain gets all foggy these days to learn such things. However, I am learning Ableton and that is a blast...but mostly because it is point and click or using a premapped controller like the APC40. Now if my calendar cleared and I had all the time in the world to learn, I probably could. But right now having 1 or 2 hours in the evening, the brain just cant handle anymore information. :)
SBDJ 2:58 PM - 14 January, 2011
I find enthusiasm my biggest issue these days!
hotboymike 10:26 AM - 4 February, 2011
i have both VDJ nd SSL they both hve specs tht each other doesnt hve nd yea both have issue shid thts life everything gonna hve a problem but i got the virtual dj 6.o nd its similiar to serato esp with the waveforms nd if vdj wuld hve had tht when they first came out nd made the sound more of clarity i dnt think anybdy wuld hve serato,,but i do keep virtual on standby cus actually thts wht i do my opening sets with cus u can create a playlists nd it will mix as if u were doing it urself,,,and anotha thing i like VDJ plays all types of music files i had to do alot of converting when i got serato
Flashing Lights DJ DK 2:49 AM - 5 February, 2011
I have used both. The controls on the NS7 work much better with Itch. Even though I like virtual dj but scratching on it sounds robotic and I don't like the li dart controls. Since I got a better laptop with an i7 processor Itch is the best.
DJ_Esco 8:01 PM - 18 March, 2011
Turn off autotune J/K
DJ.Tyme 5:44 AM - 23 June, 2011
i also use both but i have to say most of the tyme i use VDJ 80% / itch 20% because VDJ has more features that i need. i hope when itch ver 2.0 comes out it will solve all my problems. ohhh yeahh i use Numark NS7
Maskrider 8:28 PM - 23 June, 2011
I don't have VDJ but most of my co DJs are because of Video.......I was thinking of getting VDJ but decided not to I'm no hurry doing Videos...I just want ITCH to get Videos whenever they feel is the right time there is a bunch of request here in the forums about it and I think it's one of the top priorities that we will see in the future updates.
DJ.Tyme 11:16 PM - 23 June, 2011
Maskrider have you ever messed around wit VDJ ? i dont even do video!! its just kool how you kan customize everythang & anythang you want
kraal 11:43 PM - 23 June, 2011
so is that what you mean by features?

only thing vdj has that i like better is the vdj beat grid effect
DJ.Tyme 12:35 AM - 24 June, 2011
Different skins, make the font size any size you want. We all no itch fonts are hard to see. (Not the file songs) the area at the bottom time remaining, title, ect,ect auto playlist comes in handy when your doing a set by yourself & need to go mingle & what not
kraal 1:06 AM - 24 June, 2011
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. We all no itch fonts are hard to see.

i dont think so ... but hey what ever....

so it is about customization NOT features then?
just trying to get clarification i own both and really see no reason to use vdj --- maybe you knew of a must have feature is why i am asking
DJ.Tyme 3:36 AM - 24 June, 2011
Both!!! Customize What I Want & Features That Itch Don't Have
kraal 7:44 AM - 24 June, 2011
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Both!!! Customize What I Want & Features That Itch Don't Have

see that is what i am asking WHAT FEATURES.... you do realize is you say it out loud there is a chance they can be added to ITCH or people like me who own vdj but dont use it may look into using them...
DJ_Esco 5:01 PM - 3 August, 2011
@kraal @Serato @SeratoHQ and everyone here

Re: Just "thinking or wishing out loud"

Serato ITCH is a great product and So is Atomix Production's Virtual DJ
And as mentioned by @jshpro2 honestly there are give and takes in both softwares.

But to me the most noticeable difference in ITCH vs VIRTUAL DJ is the two following areas:

Expandability: I Like Virtual DJ Pro for the fact that you can use so many MIDI based controllers with it and the fact that there is an entire community where the developers and users meet constantly adding new custom features such as skins, custom mapping of new controllers by other DJs and VDJ themselves. Note this would definitely be nice to see it implemented within ITCH and not just Serato Scratch Live.

File Support and Playback: "As long as you can click on it and play it on your computer" Virtual DJ will play it too. This Includes Video :) and VDJ has been doing so for quite some time now. Serato ITCH does not currently support the video playback feature :(

These are the only 2 things I would ask for: Additional MIDI device support, with customizable mapping (which I think may never happen in ITCH) and Video Playback Support (Which I think.......

Enough said.

DJ Esco
BadBoyChubs 5:30 PM - 3 August, 2011
It is always nice to compare but I want a program that is different, that give people the option to choose.

I bought wat i wanted, so if people want video then they should buy a dj program that is suited.
Since some people want video that get VDJ cause it has skins that look like Serato if u want. VDJ supports the controllers like NS7 so why complain just get that program.

My Motto "Buy what you see not what you HOPE to get!"

Is it wrong that a dj dont support video, there are people who luv serato the way it is, some even using 1.5 because they dont need beatgrids,

why u want itch to support video , is it because it carry the name serato. VDJ support it for years so get that! simple
Kmxorbit 5:32 PM - 3 August, 2011
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Additional MIDI device support, with customizable mapping (which I think may never happen in ITCH)

Wrong: Rumours say serato will implement midi-mapping in 2.1. (which they are developing now as we speak.)
DJ_Esco 5:54 PM - 3 August, 2011
@Kmxorbit + Everyone
cc @SeratoHQ @Serato

Not trying to kick anyone in the nads here. But this a message is to all:

DONT START ANY RUMORS!
=========================
We are all tired of them.

It makes room for pissed off DJs thinking and feeling a bunch of empty dreams, hopes and aspirations were given to them much like empty promises with no delivery or execution.

In short: We don't want to feel lied to or mislead (even in our own mind) so let's keep the rumors out.

If Serato wants to make a statement let it be one of their own bringing the news about and not some speculation brought fourth by someone who had a wet dream of some addition of a feature or product of some sort.

I am sure many will agree with this.

BR,

DJ Esco
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(SIDE NOTE)
BTW I noticed the Eye of Horus are u
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kraal 6:06 PM - 3 August, 2011
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Additional MIDI device support, with customizable mapping (which I think may never happen in ITCH)

Wrong: Rumours say serato will implement midi-mapping in 2.1. (which they are developing now as we speak.)

the only think that has been hinted about was midi mapping for the sampler only
Kmxorbit 7:09 PM - 3 August, 2011
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DONT START ANY RUMORS!
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We are all tired of them.

My apologies if I offended you. And ok, maybe this info is not correct and will midi-mapping not be included until itch 5.0, but these rumours keep Serato awake for our wishes and needs.
I just don't have that negative idea about it like you have, that this feature will never come.
I'm actually pretty convinced they can implement it now, because the Itch engine is made compatible with the SSL code. And since it's in there, it is an educated guess, it'll come to Itch very soon.
A fact is, Serato will have to keep up with the competitors so in the end all the features we'd love the have, will all be there. Because they just have to...
Quote:
(SIDE NOTE)
BTW I noticed the Eye of Horus are u
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you noticed well...
kraal 7:14 PM - 3 August, 2011
thing is to this day serato says if the controller is not developed hand and hand to be an ITCH controller then it will not support it as an itch controller--- that right there shows full midi mapping is not anywhere near on the horizon
Paco71 8:52 PM - 3 August, 2011
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thing is to this day serato says if the controller is not developed hand and hand to be an ITCH controller then it will not support it as an itch controller--- that right there shows full midi mapping is not anywhere near on the horizon


And once you know this, you know what you are buying. So you don't have to complain, or you did a mistake when you choose your gear. (you is for people in general).
DJ.Tyme 9:17 PM - 3 August, 2011
Wut up DJ Esco!!! Nice thread. I'm always saying I use both VDJ & itch but ten I get bashed on for mentioning VDJ some of these DJ's on here act like SSL & itch are the only software a (Real DJ) so they say can use. I said it b4 & I'll say it now on my NS7 I use VDJ 80% & itch 20%
kraal 9:22 PM - 3 August, 2011
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Wut up DJ Esco!!! Nice thread. I'm always saying I use both VDJ & itch but ten I get bashed on for mentioning VDJ some of these DJ's on here act like SSL & itch are the only software a (Real DJ) so they say can use. I said it b4 & I'll say it now on my NS7 I use VDJ 80% & itch 20%

a lot of the vdj bashing is cause a lot o vdj users come in here saying itch is crap cause vdj can do this.... i personally own vdj itch and my turntable set up is now traktor pro2 ... no longer use vdj but each has it purpose
DJ LIL M 1:02 AM - 4 August, 2011
i think alot ppl hate VDJ because u can use a keyboard and a mouse still Mix
Papa Midnight 1:59 AM - 4 August, 2011
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i think alot ppl hate VDJ because u can use a keyboard and a mouse still Mix


You can do the same with Traktor. VDJ just got pirated a bit more.
DJ.Tyme 2:32 AM - 4 August, 2011
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Wut up DJ Esco!!! Nice thread. I'm always saying I use both VDJ & itch but ten I get bashed on for mentioning VDJ some of these DJ's on here act like SSL & itch are the only software a (Real DJ) so they say can use. I said it b4 & I'll say it now on my NS7 I use VDJ 80% & itch 20%

a lot of the vdj bashing is cause a lot o vdj users come in here saying itch is crap cause vdj can do this.... i personally own vdj itch and my turntable set up is now traktor pro2 ... no longer use vdj but each has it purpose

i dont bash either software ? why would i when i use both its just alot of dudes on here act like SSL & itch are the worlds only choices
DJ.Tyme 2:33 AM - 4 August, 2011
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i think alot ppl hate VDJ because u can use a keyboard and a mouse still Mix

but why hate on software that makes things easier for us DJ's ?
DJChad72 2:53 AM - 4 August, 2011
Here is the bottom line folks.

ITCH - open box, plug and play, and enjoy the controller as it was imagined and designed to help you perform using a laptop via ITCH. No dictionary to pull out. No hours spend searching for someone else's map that is close to what you want, or trying to go it on your own from scratch.

VDJ/Tracktor - bring your own controller and map it yourself. Sure they have some maps, but when I used VDJ... I had found out alot of the time Atomix did not even have the hardware to test the map. They went off the manufacturers MIDI guide or a volunteer mapped it. But Atomix had not way to test it... they could only validate the syntax.

Syntax validation is NOT testing in my book. I have fewer hairs on my head because of their VDJ Script implementation. They implemented it. Published a dictionary, and allowed users 2 questions per topic and then would end it with "we are not really suppose to help with VDJ Script. This is a self serve feature for every user to apply as they see fit.

If you are into that, knock yourself out. But you cant come to ITCH knocking it for not having and OPEN Midi mapping... when there is so much customization in getting the controllers to perform as they do... you would never get VDJ or TRaktor to behave exactly the same or as well. Ask any NS7 or VCI300 owner who tried those controllers with the "bring what you want" VDJ software. :)
BadBoyChubs 3:04 AM - 4 August, 2011
glad itch is plug and play! hope it never change!
DJ.Tyme 3:37 AM - 4 August, 2011
@ DJ Chad i am a NS7 user & i use VDJ and itch 2.0 with no problems ? it al depends on what type of gig im doing decides which software to use. so u cant just throe it out there and say (ask any ns7 owner) because i no alot of ns7 owners on here that have ask me for the ns7 mapper & a few skins ? ohh yeah u must have not read DJ Esco's post above = Serato ITCH is a great product and So is Atomix Production's Virtual DJ
And as mentioned by @jshpro2 honestly there are give and takes in both softwares.

But to me the most noticeable difference in ITCH vs VIRTUAL DJ is the two following areas:

Expandability: I Like Virtual DJ Pro for the fact that you can use so many MIDI based controllers with it and the fact that there is an entire community where the developers and users meet constantly adding new custom features such as skins, custom mapping of new controllers by other DJs and VDJ themselves. Note this would definitely be nice to see it implemented within ITCH and not just Serato Scratch Live.

File Support and Playback: "As long as you can click on it and play it on your computer" Virtual DJ will play it too. This Includes Video :) and VDJ has been doing so for quite some time now. Serato ITCH does not currently support the video playback feature :(
DJChad72 3:57 AM - 4 August, 2011
And just how long did it take that NS7 to work with VDJ from the moment it was released? That is my point. Serato collaborates with premiere hardware vendors and people think the controller is awesome but want to make use of their Traktor or VDJ license.

I was using VDJ when the NS7 came out. It took 6months before the jogwheels would halfway even work right. And even longer to them to work reliably.

Maybe that was before your time. But that is what I mean when i say ask any NS7 or VCI300 owner. The VCI300 had a similar experience. Maybe I should have said ask any newly release NS7 or VCI300 owner if you want to split hairs.
DJChad72 4:03 AM - 4 August, 2011
PS.... I never used an NS7 or vci300 because of all the posts in the VDJ forum downing them with VDJ. It was so disruptive users of made for VDJ users could not even get their questions answered in the normal amount of time.

Just shows how ITCH pushes the envelope of the all in one DJ controller..... other DJ software require updates to support the device's advances features.
DJChad72 4:03 AM - 4 August, 2011
And just how long did it take that NS7 to work with VDJ from the moment it was released? That is my point. Serato collaborates with premiere hardware vendors and people think the controller is awesome but want to make use of their Traktor or VDJ license.

I was using VDJ when the NS7 came out. It took 6months before the jogwheels would halfway even work right. And even longer to them to work reliably.

Maybe that was before your time. But that is what I mean when i say ask any NS7 or VCI300 owner. The VCI300 had a similar experience. Maybe I should have said ask any newly release NS7 or VCI300 owner if you want to split hairs.
DJ.Tyme 4:33 AM - 4 August, 2011
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PS.... I never used an NS7 or vci300 because of all the posts in the VDJ forum downing them with VDJ. It was so disruptive users of made for VDJ users could not even get their questions answered in the normal amount of time.

Just shows how ITCH pushes the envelope of the all in one DJ controller..... other DJ software require updates to support the device's advances features.[/quote read up =
nuttybeats 10:10 AM 3 August 2011
Downloaded it....Installed it...Tried it...it looks very pretty and sound quality is great as usual...and I went back to using Virtual DJ.

Serato!!!!!!! Be wise and learn from other software companies who are constantly listening to their customers.
You need to first of all get rid of the whole crate nonsense. My music is all organized already on my hard drive and I really HATE doing it all over again.
Second, what's up with the new sync? Seriously.
HINT: VDJ
DJ.Tyme 4:35 AM - 4 August, 2011
@ Dj chad72 = Expandability: Virtual DJ Pro for the fact that you can use so many MIDI based controllers with it and the fact that there is an entire community where the developers and users meet constantly adding new custom features such as skins, custom mapping of new controllers by other DJs and VDJ themselves.

File Support and Playback: "As long as you can click on it and play it on your computer" Virtual DJ will play it too. This Includes Video :) and VDJ has been doing so for quite some time now.
DJ_Esco 4:55 AM - 4 August, 2011
I am definitely not for the bashing of any software or its users. People who know me can tell you I have supported many operating systems or platforms in combination with various softwares and hardwares in addition to aiding in the development, testing and integration. In short due to this I know what a pain in the (let me think of a word....ok)> pain in the butt it can be to design, develop, implement and test. I would like to say thank you to Serato Audio Research for allowing discussions to take place on thier forums about VDJ vs. Serato, Traktor software users etc.. I think this shows the amount of consideration and respect given to users of any software and platform and the users who use them (meaning the DJ population)

We too should have equal consideration and professionalism. I have seen amazing people do amazingly creative things with Traktor Virtual DJ and Serato's softwares and I have seen some that can not even effectively operate a microwave.

My point is we should not bash or segregate classes, talent or skill based on what you use. It should soley be based on what you produce with the tools or assets you are given and the effect you have on the crowds you are catering to.




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@Kmxorbit tell me what u think of this quote I just made:
"Show me the skill and talent though your works and I myself through the same light will define by definition who you are" ...
VJ Storm 5:14 AM - 4 August, 2011
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"Show me the skill and talent though your works and I myself through the same light will define by definition who you are" ...


esco r u not the one who wrote the code for the ns7 vdj and created the midi mapper too making video possible on the ns7 and perhaps helped dj quartz with tractor too
DJ.Tyme 5:45 AM - 4 August, 2011
Yup
DJ.Tyme 5:46 AM - 4 August, 2011
hey Vj Storm is the traktor mapper ready for the ns7 ? just kourious since i read your post
Kmxorbit 10:55 AM - 4 August, 2011
Here some facts why i don't use VDJ as my main DJ program:
* I had nasty experiences in front of a crowd: On my machine it had the habit to close down faster then the calculator without any warning. (i speak from VDJ 5). There were gigs it didn't happen, but there were gigs it just happened. Believe me that's a very uncomfortable feeling.
* Sometimes it lost connection with my controllers during a gig
* Sometimes for no reason it lost the mapping files for my laptop keyboard. (always stressy just before a gig)
* No native 1440*900 support (and stretched it is really blurry) + the skins are often very amateurish
* I quitted using VDJ when the midi mapping changed. i went to SSl then.
* I felt like there was a constant need of maintenance / tweaking on my laptop to keep the performance on level
* When you need to search music you can't combine parts of words of title , album , artist (like in itch) or it won't find anything.

As you can see my concerns are basically stability and user-friendliness. Exactly what I find back in Serato products. That's why I prefer Itch now because it's a no nonsense, straight forward controller/program combination.

But, honestly, I also think that VDJ is a true pioneer in the Dj'ing scene, and they invented truly great stuff which changed the DJ scene drastically. They also offer a lot of possibilities for a real democratic price. And that's also a true achievement.

I installed VDJ 7 pro a few months ago: a lot of the above concerns are still there, but it has an astonishing amount of features on board. I must admit i like the program for home use, especially for mixing new music i bought, so i can listen to it in the background and hear for myself which songs are good or bad. It does an amazingly good job there.

So, to cut a long story short: I like Itch a lot more on performance, but VDJ fills in another purpose for me which it does amazingly well.
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@Kmxorbit tell me what u think of this quote I just made:
"Show me the skill and talent though your works and I myself through the same light will define by definition who you are" ...

People that spread the word that they are allowed to judge other people often tend to think they're the owner of the truth. In certain cases, some of these people have a very narrow vision which might lead to extremism in judgement and handling.
My advice: never judge on only 1 or 2 (subjective) criteria but on a total concept of criteria (this counts not only for judgement on people but also for all other things in life, in general).
Ps: Don't take this personal. I just formulated what I think about that Quote, just like you asked. ;-)
VJ Storm 3:40 PM - 4 August, 2011
kmxorbit no dis but i think u missed the hidden message in the quote he gave u b.k.a. token
+1 esco wtg

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SBDJ 10:50 PM - 4 August, 2011
I apologise in advance for the long post, I know I've been told off by a few for writing essays ;)

Just to address a few of kxmorbits comments as of versions more recent than v5 as I can't see how many of them would still be there in v7:

* The sudden closure was an issue for some users, the 'search crash' I guess I was lucky in that I never experienced it, however it's been fixed for years. Atomix never mentioned what the problem was, I would have been interested to know.
* I'm not aware of many issues re controllers losing connection. There have been a few - Denon HC4500 on Vista for example which was resolved with a controller firmware update. VDJ supports controller hotplug now too which is handy should some problems occur.
* Not aware of it losing mapping files either. These are simple XML files - I think it's good practice to back these up after changes but a profile switching tool is available that lets you save your settings, mappings and so on and switch between them easily.
* The default skin pack includes a 1440x900 skin. A lot of skins are rubbish I agree, however the ability to skin is great and I use a completely minimalist custom 1920x1200 skin myself.
* The mapping change wasn't that huge. The new mapping is very very very similar to the old mapping for the basics - just with new capabilities. A lot of the keywords even stayed the same although a lot of _'s were dropped. You don't really need to know much - you can press a button on the controller and click on the skin.
* There is no more need to maintain/tweak than with any other system once you have it running. My gig laptop never gets any maintenance or tweaking done unless I'm actually changing something.
* Search combination is possible. I absolutely agree that the not searching across fields is annoying (really annoying in fact!) but if you add a * you can do it. 'morillo* stronger' for example.

As I've said several times I'm not a blinkered VDJ user - you use the tools you need to get the job done. Only last weekend I was helping a struggling friend get used to the VCI-300 + Itch combo and having seen me use a 300 he assumed I was using Itch too and enquired about how I do video.

If Itch gains a solid cross-platform video implementation with good codec support and preferably some video extensibility from a user perspective then it would be a massive step in the right direction I reckon. It would still need more to convince me to switch but then I'm probably not the target Itch user as has been said before.
DJ_Esco 12:34 AM - 5 August, 2011
I respect that.
wadup 12:41 AM - 5 August, 2011
I also believe that vdj is targeted to certain types of DJ's and it is great for what it does for those users. Good job!!!!
Btw
Is it just me or that the only software that is most talk about is traktor vs. Serato.
DJ.Tyme 3:55 AM - 5 August, 2011
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I also believe that vdj is targeted to certain types of DJ's and it is great for what it does for those users. Good job!!!!
Btw
Is it just me or that the only software that is most talk about is traktor vs. Serato.

no/maybe ? i see alot,ALOT of VDJ vs itch and or serato
wadup 5:13 AM - 5 August, 2011
i don't see that, really and truly i don't see vdj comparing to anything, i think its because serato and traktor is the industry standard!!!!!
DJ.Tyme 6:20 AM - 5 August, 2011
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i don't see that, really and truly i don't see vdj comparing to anything, i think its because serato and traktor is the industry standard!!!!!

ohhh here we go another fanboy with that famous saying (industry standard) it just a bandwagon saying that every other DJ likes to say. BEST QUOTE I'Ve FOUND = Serato ITCH is a great product and So is Atomix Production's Virtual DJ honestly there are give and takes in both softwares.
But to me the most noticeable difference in ITCH vs VIRTUAL DJ is the two following areas:

Expandability: I Like Virtual DJ Pro for the fact that you can use so many MIDI based controllers with it and the fact that there is an entire community where the developers and users meet constantly adding new custom features such as skins, custom mapping of new controllers by other DJs and VDJ themselves. Note this would definitely be nice to see it implemented within ITCH and not just Serato Scratch Live.

File Support and Playback: "As long as you can click on it and play it on your computer" Virtual DJ will play it too. This Includes Video :) and VDJ has been doing so for quite some time now. Serato ITCH does not currently support the video playback
DJ.Tyme 6:21 AM - 5 August, 2011
@ Wadup i just bet your one of those dj's who never used VDJ but just bash it anyways kause you a follower of the damm as say (industry standard)
DJChad72 7:11 AM - 5 August, 2011
Why is it that when someone likes apple, traktor, or Serato..... they are fan boys? But those who like windows and VDJ are just hardworking djs?

Seriously.... they will all work otherwise they would not exist. But you can't knock ITCH on lack of open MIDI. Their target and model is a fully integraded solution.... hardware and software as one. Just like Virtual Vinyl, Traitor Scratch Pro,and SSL. The major difference is the all in one controllers. VDJ has a Denon and AA controller made for it, and Traitor has the S4 and T1.

From that stand point, ITCH is way ahead. They have nearly 10 controllers now made, designed, certified, and guaranteed to work with their software. The controller is the main attraction. Its like shopping for a CD player. You choose the design that is right for you and there is nothing else to do but use it.

I believe it is a minority that want to crawl under the hood and completely remap. Sorry but its obviously true. Otherwise ITCH would have stopped at the NS7 and VCI300. And honestly even if you don't use ITCH but use an ITCH controller, you are supporting Sedative and its partners. Because the box is all inclusive of the hardware and software. So they must be doing something you really like or you wouldn't be using their hardware.
Kmxorbit 8:20 AM - 5 August, 2011
I don't mind if people call me a fanboy of Serato. I just am.
I found back in their products what i missed after I moved away from vinyl and CD's.
Regarding the VDJ comparison, since I moved away from using it I never looked back. I mean, I installed it again, but I'm just not in the mood to tweak it again to my needs.
Tested traktor too you know (still have an old license) which is also very impressive but the learning curve to use all the possibilities it offers was just a little to steep for me.
I'm just sold to the 1 to 1 mapping of Itch, i guess + Itch offers already a lot of possibilities that keeps me busy enough trying to master.
Bottom line: All these products have their purpose and I personally have found the one that fits me best.
DJChad72 12:33 PM - 5 August, 2011
That was the exact same metamorphisys that lead me to Sedative ITCH as well. Tired of tweaking and maintenance.... needed to focus on my sets and performance.
kraal 3:58 PM - 5 August, 2011
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Why is it that when someone likes apple, traktor, or Serato..... they are fan boys? But those who like windows and VDJ are just hardworking djs?

.

ha
DJChad72 6:51 PM - 5 August, 2011
Sorry DJ THYME, but you made a point that really makes NO sense once you seriously try to apply the application in a professional DJ environment.

That VDJ development community is 99% Windows only. You come to VDJ with a MAC, and all those freely shared and so called fantastic audio/video effects, plug ins, and skins... are not available for the MAC platform. Atomic said ask nicely to the person who developed the plug in and maybe they will compile a MAC version. So you do and they tell you, "i dont own a MAC, sorry." So because you DO own a MAC, you only get 90% of the software to use? Atomix would not listen to their MAC users pleading to help in making the MAC users whole. They could hold a contest, offer prized, enable chargeable content, or simply ask the author if they can BUY (cheaply) the rights to compile a MAC version when they submit the Windows version.

Sorry, but you cant be top dog when your competitors EQUALLY provide solutions for both Windows and MAC. Forget all the MIDI mapping and "freely shared plug ins." First of all Traktor, SSL, and ITCH all come with MORE effects from the get go than VDJ. You dont have to hunt through a list of 100 to find the 2 or 5 you really could use. The majority of them would stutter, crackle, dropout, or not even work at all. So that tells you what sort of quality there is in that business model. Quantity over quality. Honestly SBDJ and one other guy were the only ones I recall making anything worth a damn.

So one of your major points is not even valid. Which leaves MIDI. I hate to burst your bubble, but Serato has a solution in the market that does all these things. It is called SSL. ITCH is just another solution in their stable for those who want an out of the box, plug and play, all in 1 controller based solution. No CD players. No Turntables. Basically the DJ rig of the future.

So your comparisons are short sided and not even close to holistic. When you compare VDJ, you are really comparing Atomix because that is really their only horse in the stable. When you compare to Serato... they have MANY horses in the stable... and they are not some solution developed in someone's basement, garage, or private lab for their personal use and they are sharing just in case someone is just like them.
BadBoyChubs 10:19 PM - 5 August, 2011
now i see why people are crying for Itch to do things like VDJ. the NS7 on VDJ sucks, hahhahhaha,
I jus tasted it on my mac with the ns7 and everything, first off the scratching is horrible.

I think the DJs who say that VDJ is better is because they want the NS7 to work on VDJ as good as Itch.

no wonder the other said he sold his NS6 for a hercules cause they are the only real flawless controller on VDJ.

For a program that been around since "mary had a little lamb" , it sucks compare to a new program like ITCH, It might have all the bells and whistles but Itch is in other class by itself. if Itch ever got all the features as VDJ, i will sure bet VDJ will be a ghost town! even all who here saying this and that!
DJChad72 11:18 PM - 5 August, 2011
Exactly.... you buy the hardware and software in 1 box. If you decide to upgrade your controller for a newer model or style, just sell the hardware. There isn't a serial number to transfer or another piece of software to buy. Another pet peeve is how you have to pay for your VDJ/Cue Pro license but then can't sell it or transfer if you move to another solution.

Aborting and Reason have serial numbers but you can easily sell it and transfer if you change your mind. They want happy users that actually USE their software. VDJ has their money from you.... that is all they want.
DJ.Tyme 4:39 AM - 6 August, 2011
Blahhh,Blahhh,Blahhhh DJ Shad. started with turntables,then to cd player's,now to laptop. also had SSL with my SL3. then i sold everything to buy an all in one unit (NS7). me & my DJ kousin help each other out @ each others gig when we are not doing are own gig & he use's traktor. so shad ive used them all & like them all. i didnt say i only use VDJ. i use both VDJ & itch SOOOO ????? blahhhh,Blahhhh,Blahhhhh sahd
DJChad72 6:36 AM - 6 August, 2011
Have another shot......
DJ_Esco 4:03 PM - 6 August, 2011
I think the problem is Scratch Live is not supported on the NS7, NS7 or any ITCH based controllers.
(No native stand alone 1:1 mapping available presently) and you would need to purchase a Rane controller ($$$) in addition, to act as a dongle just to be able to unlock and manipulate the playback using platters.

Presently unless ITCH will natively allow/unblock the SSL video plug-in in SSL as to be used in ITCH or create one for its use then it is not feasible to go about in any other way. You will find that VDJ users employ not just the video features but also the expandability of the program.

Both alike ITCH 2.0 and Virtual DJ 7 Pro have made great advancements and continue to do so since their development within their respective areas. Where as before once would say in reference to platform or software "this is the industry standard" things have now migrated more toward what product actually fulfills the DJ's specific needs, amongst his style, technique, methodology which define him.

This is why I say it is unacceptable to bash someone based on which software or hardware they utilize. It's how they choose to use the tools of their trade which should define them as skilled, intermediate, or the awful class we sarcastically call and refer to as the "N00B" and not the equipment, media, or software.

I think we covered the pros, cons, likes, dislikes, recomendations, requests and wishes biased or unbiased quite well. Lets leave it to the prospective developers to do their part as we shall continue to do ours.

in short I guess what I am trying to say is STFU lets stop beating the dead horse, the disses are a great waste of time (minutes lost and you will never get them back in life) There are far greater problems to deal with like global warming LOL or even better: like the fact there are people starving out there to hear good music and creative talents combined.... ;)
DJChad72 5:46 PM - 6 August, 2011
Sorry, I will not comply. All must be one with Serato. :) jk

However here is what would be truly interesting. Buy a Numark DMC2 + Rane box (SL#) + Mixer of your choice. Both will work with Serato and VDJ out of the box, thanks to Serato map for DMC2 and Rane's drivers for their Serato boxes.

Video for SSL is $199 and VDJ is $399. Serato + Video is still cheaper than buying VDJ Pro. However which one would win?

Because I imagine when ITCH gets the Video Plug in (plug in section now in SETUP w/ ITCH 2.0), those controllers are going to work beautifully, meanwhile you will always have to wait for a VDJ update or work up a map for it in VDJ. I just recently retried mapping my Xone DX in VDJ. The job wheel and the encoder knobs still do not map using their interface. Which means I have to write an entire definition file still to make that controller's two most critical functions work in VDJ.

That is why open MIDI mapping is not all it is cracked up to me. Some of the best controllers on the market are the A&H 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D, and Xone DX. And VDJ still cant support them through their mapping interface. NOR have they worked up a map of their own for these controllers.

Sad, its just sad folks. I have a $399 piece of Cue software (when I bought it 3 years ago) that is selling NEW for $150 on Amazon and eBay. Given you get free upgrades, does not matter the version. Its truly still Cue 7.0. VDJ wont let you transfer licenses, so I am stuck with it. But honestly, even if I was to sell the license... I wouldnt even get $100 for it. That my friends, I think, says it all. Ableton licenses on full versions and upgrades, still got for almost 90% of their retail/street price value.
DJ_Esco 11:59 PM - 6 August, 2011
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Sorry, I will not comply. All must be one with Serato. :) jk


No pun intended but why would you make another investment (such as buying a DMC2 plus a SL box from Rane when the goal is to be natively supported using a ITCH based controller??
Just saying...

In consideration I find it........(put your own words here) retarded to purchase a system (such as the NS7) let it collect dust (never the lessit even looks sexy just sitting there) while you hook up another device in combination to another controller just to do video.

Simply put I use both. Yes I proudly admit to this (amongst other sins I commit on a daily basis)

It would be far more reasonable for Serato to release a video plugin (since it is in such high demand) protect the feature by use of a hardware dongle of some sort (like they did with the effects processing) charge people out the wa-zoo for it and call it a day. Instead of adding 20 devices and creating a few expensive paper weights.
again Just saying......

In ending agree (which for some odd reason I tend to like those who agree with me) or disagree if you want a superior product (and no bitching, or nagging made by the users) then you would have to use the following formula based on the idea of:
Providing Native support for multiple controllers, attractive desired, useful array of features effects, stability throughout a multitude of platforms or OSs, a Knowledgeable resourceful Tech support team, Hardware expandability or a modular based system which is expandable, cross functionality with other softwares and, Video (which seems to be in very high demand at the given moment) PERIOD.
You do all this and you OWN the world (of DJs and audio production at least)

Let us see who is listening ;)

As Paul Revere would say in todays modern terminology:
"To thou fellow friends abroad and vast, Let not lead in hatred... Let us in unity allow the smelly corpse of what seems to be the bloated carcass of the dead horse to rest my fellow bitches"

LOL
DJChad72 12:12 AM - 7 August, 2011
sorry, i think you missed my point completely. Everyone has been talking about buying an NS7 and then using it with VDJ because VDJ is better than ITCH. Then compare VDJ to ITCH, when you should be comparing VDJ to Serato Scratch Live AND ITCH. Serato offers two solutions based on the type of configuration options you have. You also can use both ITCH and SSL and your library shared by both. So it is like having the same program, but with unique configuration options based on the hardware setup.

My reason for saying take the DMC2 + Rane + mixer... simply put would those who really love VDJ still love VDJ after using SSL, and vice versa?

ITCH is on a path to be at par with SSL most likely by the end of this year. ITCH 2.0 was a HUGE leap forward and VIdeo and Bridge are coming. It has also been stated MIDI mapping for the SP6 will be around the corner as well. With out of the box all in one controllers, why would you want/need to remap everything. Chances are if you bought controller A, its because of its layout, design, and unique capabilities introduced into ITCH.

I agree with you about buying an ITCH controller and then yelling at VDJ for it not working... even when I used VDJ. But they really wanted Video apparently. On one hand I can see why the NS7 owners would be upset. VDJ does say bring whatever you want and it will work. So they did. And it didnt.
BadBoyChubs 1:52 AM - 7 August, 2011
I dont feel sorry for no VDJ user,

If i buy a controller and i want it to use VDJ, then i will buy one that comes with VDJ.

So if i buy a controller and it comes with Torq then Why should i except it to work with Itch.

Only person who would have a valid agreement is SSL dj who might want there rane box to work with itch because Itch is owned by Serato.

unlike people i knew what i bought. and will live with it.

U know why they here yelling at serato for Video, is because VDJ is no help. for the itch controllers. they which VDJ had build the nS7.

put up all ur sour faces, cause i know i have a product i luv
DJChad72 2:14 AM - 7 August, 2011
Amen brother
DJ_Esco 5:44 PM - 7 August, 2011
DJChad72
Where do you get your information from??
Itch can be MIDI mapped but is limited to mapping out to the shortcut keys (something that could be done since its first public release.)

Keep in mind SSL will not support the NS7 or other ITCH based controllers for that matter.
Why you continue to bring up SSL in a thread that is specific to "ITCH and VDJ" is beyond me)

In a matter of opinion I would say we wont see video in ITCH this year or the next three (unless Serato actually publicly and clearly states the release of such product) Although one could take advantage of transporting it into ITCH on one's own initiative but then that would become a violation of the terms of use or agreement which pops up on the installation of Itch (instantly rendering you an evil DJ or Exploiting Hacker at minimum ;)

I see it as:
If buy a ITCH based controller then expect it to work well with the specific based product it is designed for, its okay to make suggestions, recommendations, and requests. And if it works well there should be no complaints.

People will always want more (its the side in human nature slightly empowered by greed which is good in the sense that it is the same thing which has been responsible for the advancement of any modern day technologies)

Therefore, as I see it it would be natural for the general population to desire and want more and in doing so they will not only desire these but also pave new ways of doing so (perhaps as we see now) in the form of other or additional softwares, configurations etc..... although several would agree it be much more convenient to have these things natively supported vs. to add those desired features by implementing other systems interfaces such as hardwares, or softwares.

To this I would say Amen to.
VJ Storm 5:49 PM - 7 August, 2011
+1 Right on Esco!!!!!!
AMEN!!! >>>>>>>>>>> +10000000000
DJ.Tyme 7:40 PM - 7 August, 2011
@ Esco What You Said And Some !!!!
DJChad72 8:08 PM - 7 August, 2011
My point is Atomix and Serato have two VERY different approaches to the two main DJ setup scenarios: TimeCode/External Mixing and All in One Controller. Serato has two products on the market to address these needs. So that is why I am saying you cant just compare ITCH to VDJ, you have to compare both SSL and ITCH to VDJ.

VDJ has everything in 1 application. Which does have advantages as well as drawbacks. But Serato has delivered SSL and ITCH to meet two very different demands in the industry; however it is rolled into a single product - hardware and software.

DJ Tyme, you were saying ITCH does not have MIDI mapping functions and therefore that makes VDJ superior. If you bought an ITCH controller, then you should have KNOWN it was MADE FOR ITCH, but could be mapped in other software. If you really wanted to consider a solution from Serato, and a primary need was MIDI mapping functions because you have a unique workflow, then you should have investigated an SSL setup. You just have to decide if ALL IN ONE is more important than MIDI mapping capabilities.

My for instance on the DMC2 + Rane + External Mixer setup would give someone the opportunity to compare VDJ and SSL very evenly to see which TimeCode/External Mixing solutions is more stable, better suited for situations, etc...

As another for instance, take an NS7... which works with ITCH and VDJ now. It took Numark and VDJ working together to make it happen, but they did. You could also test ITCH w/ a NS6 and Xone DX and compare it to a Numark Mixtrack Pro or a Denon MC6000.

If you are going to compare... compare them as they are marketed. Dont go out and compare a Landrover to a SMART Car, and then complain how the SMART car cant tow your camper. Finally, if MIDI mapping is that important to you, why are you even bringing ITCH into the conversation? If you are looking at MIDI mapping as a primary need, then SSL right now is your only true Serato comparison. There is no need for MIDI mapping in ITCH because they have multiple hardware options to meet the demands of a number of workflows.

I will agree VDJ now has some good all in one options, and you can tinker with the mapping. However if the hardware provider and VDJ have truly collaborated properly, there should not be much of anything, if at all, you would want to change. If you have to make that many changes to the controller mapping, then you probably A) didnt buy the right controller for yourself, B) have a very unconventional workflow as most controllers offer the same basic deck, mixer, loop and FX control sections.

If it is B, then you should be looking at SSL, VDJ, or Traktor, not ITCH.
DJChad72 8:49 PM - 7 August, 2011
Also, on the topic of PLUG INS, again two very different models:

Serato - Plug ins have to be paid for, with the exception of BRIDGE. Bridge is a matter of owning the necessary software versions. The plug ins and integration solution are fully supported by Serato and its partners.

VDJ - Plug ins are free with your community access. The plug ins are developed by users and volunteers, and they are also supported at their own discretion as well.

There is an old saying: "You get what you pay for." It could not be more true in this department. I would rather pay $199 for Video support that works, than have access to free plugins where 99% of them are not worth the download to try them out. Yes VDJ comes with Video support, but you are already paying $150 if upgrading to Pro and $399 for full Pro. Then you are on your own to find any audio and video FX that are usable, stable, and supported on your platform (ie WIN vs MAC.)

So again, looking at it company to company, I do not see how VDJ has an edge anywhere except for remapping all in one controllers.
DJChad72 8:52 PM - 7 August, 2011
* sorry, minor tweak - VDJ - Plug ins are free with your community access.

This should read:
VDJ - Plug ins are free with a Pro license registered to your community access login. You do not get access to these until you upgrade to Pro for $150 or buy the full version for $399. OR as mentioned before, buy a new copy of Numark Cue Pro on Amazon for $100-$150. Then you will have a PRO license registered and get free updates, AFTER Numark has had a chance to test the VDJ updates. Typically, there are more VDJ updates than Cue as Numark tends to collect .0.0.1 updates into a .1.1 type release.
DJ.Tyme 9:15 PM - 7 August, 2011
uhhh chad i didnt say = you were saying ITCH does not have MIDI mapping functions and therefore that makes VDJ superior. nope wrong guy DJ buddy. and just to comment on what you say = My point is Atomix and Serato have two VERY different approaches to the two main DJ setup scenarios: TimeCode/External Mixing and All in One Controller. Serato has two products on the market to address these needs. uhhhh serato needs (2) Products yup and (Atomix) needs (1) virtual dj can do both timecode/external mixing ? so whats your point. i think no,no,no i know guys like you get on here just to argue with other dj's just for the F___K of it. why not just drop the DJ from your name!!!!
Julynessi 9:37 PM - 7 August, 2011
Itch 2.0 Will Have Midi Mapping
Just wait
kraal 10:00 PM - 7 August, 2011
Quote:
Itch 2.0 Will Have Midi Mapping
Just wait

2.0 is out --- no midi mapping ;)
VJ Storm 10:50 PM - 7 August, 2011
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i know guys like you get on here just to argue with other dj's just for the F___K of it. why not just drop the DJ from your name!!!!


guys it is what it is. Clearly Esco is talking on facts while this guy djchad72 is going by his feminine emotions + what he thinks.

is there a way to ban the troll? votes anyone?
Julynessi 2:10 AM - 8 August, 2011
Quote:
Quote:
Itch 2.0 Will Have Midi Mapping

Just wait


2.0 is out --- no midi mapping ;)


I saw Somewhere in ITCH Forum
the Guy from Serato Said "Midi Map Is Comming"
Julynessi 2:48 AM - 8 August, 2011
For this disscustion
I think every software have it's own characteristic
It's can't really said what's the best, what's better that the other.
I think the "Best" is depend on how your own skills & Knowledge of the things you want to do with the skills of tools you want to use..(I mean tools is software,Konwledge is DJing.)

Anyway ... I can use Itch 1.X to 2.X with External Midi Controller wtih the LED Feedback .
How : (I use Xone:DX)
Example : I use Traktor X1,Launchpad,TrigerFingger, and Special For VCI- 100 to scratch the wave form
How : Coz DX have Midi In-Out Ports then Every thing that you see on the DX you can Use all midi information that send out..and re-map or whatever you want to do.....and how to send Midi-To ich
you need One Good Midi device that have real Midi In Out ports and One good Midi Map Software(eg. Midi-Ox) for map all of Another devices Change Midi Msg to same midi Msg of DX & routed in to Midi Out --->send to Xone:Dx MidiIn (I use ZeroSL or ZerolS MKII) Just this you can control Itch with another
Midi Devices .... Good Midi Device such XoneDX,ZeroSL,any Roland Product can Handle the standard Midi Data transfer around 3000 bytes per second via 5pin oldschool midicable..One Midi Short Msg is 3 bytes but when on computer is pack into 4bytes as 1 integer.
kraal 3:00 AM - 8 August, 2011
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Itch 2.0 Will Have Midi Mapping

Just wait


2.0 is out --- no midi mapping ;)


I saw Somewhere in ITCH Forum
the Guy from Serato Said "Midi Map Is Comming"

yeah i was just being funny the post should of read in 2.? not 2.0
DJ_Esco 3:17 AM - 8 August, 2011
Quote:
For this disscustion
I think every software have it's own characteristic
It's can't really said what's the best, what's better that the other.
I think the "Best" is depend on how your own skills & Knowledge of the things you want to do with the skills of tools you want to use..(I mean tools is software,Konwledge is DJing.)

Anyway ... I can use Itch 1.X to 2.X with External Midi Controller wtih the LED Feedback .
How : (I use Xone:DX)
Example : I use Traktor X1,Launchpad,TrigerFingger, and Special For VCI- 100 to scratch the wave form
How : Coz DX have Midi In-Out Ports then Every thing that you see on the DX you can Use all midi information that send out..and re-map or whatever you want to do.....and how to send Midi-To ich
you need One Good Midi device that have real Midi In Out ports and One good Midi Map Software(eg. Midi-Ox) for map all of Another devices Change Midi Msg to same midi Msg of DX & routed in to Midi Out --->send to Xone:Dx MidiIn (I use ZeroSL or ZerolS MKII) Just this you can control Itch with another
Midi Devices .... Good Midi Device such XoneDX,ZeroSL,any Roland Product can Handle the standard Midi Data transfer around 3000 bytes per second via 5pin oldschool midicable..One Midi Short Msg is 3 bytes but when on computer is pack into 4bytes as 1 integer.


I clearly see the hoops and bounds you are going through. May we all come together and pray that our brethren will no longer suffer and may a more simple method come about in Itch.

Amen
VJ Storm 3:51 AM - 8 August, 2011
by the way proof that even the owners of serato scratch live secretly go to VDJ due to features and enhancements

Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com

serato itch controllers with vdj
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com

this was just doing a quick search
DJChad72 4:35 AM - 8 August, 2011
Thyme, your comments are on Aug 4th and 5th - RE Expandability and that ITCH lacks the ability to remap functions via MIDI and there are developers (which are really VOLUNTEERS, not Atomix employees, just so you know) who make plug ins.

VJ Storm, how do you know those are not VDJ users trying to use Serato hardware? From what I can tell, they are VDJ users who wanted the Serato gear, but use their VDJ license. I can assure you from being with VDJ for 3.5 years, I never once saw "Hello, I am new to VDJ and have been using Serato." You saw a lot of, "SSL has Video, bye bye VDJ." The fact that VDJ had it first has been their only saving grace, and that is the only reason I originally coughed up the $400 for the Pro license 4-5 years go. Because if I needed Video or Kareoke, then VDJ can do it. But in all that time, all my gigs are audio only club and private venue gigs. It really would have been nice to just pay for what I needed, instead of having to pay for all the features I did not ever want/need.

Lastly, if you want to do some google searches, try "Xone DX and VIrtual DJ mapping." The A&H controllers like the Xone 3D, 4D, and DX are among the most popular with house DJs. You will find not a one of them have a map for VDJ. Why? Too many in/out channels on the audio card, the encoder knobs and jog wheels will not work with their mapping GUI. You have to write a full text definition file, which might as well be in java or C+++ for those who are not MIDI wiz geeks. You should also go to VDJ and search for NS7 and VCI300 mapping issues or something to that effect. Because for a year and a half, that is all anyone could talk about.

I also have to let you know the last video for the MC5000, that isnt even an ITCH controller. It is made for VDJ. So that one doesnt count. :)
DJ_Esco 5:21 AM - 8 August, 2011
My apologies to all but I have lost my patience due to the obvious and clear demonstration of ignorance displayed by such user named DJChad72

As I said before "know" before making statements (If not move aside and remain quite as to learn a thing or two from others)

Keep in mind I dont know what kind of DJ you are nor do I have a interest of you technical skill or background. Its just the statements you are making disturb me significantly.

Quote:
"Hello, I am new to VDJ and have been using Serato."

The fact is I myself have been using Serato products well before I even started using Virtual DJ.
I am a supporter of Serato and of Virtual DJ.

In addition I personally know of several others like me who do the same.

by the way (since you payed for your registered version of Virtual DJ you can go to:
www.virtualdj.com (provided you legally own it)
and you will notice that there not only full support for the Allen & Heath Xone 3D but also a Allen & Heath Xone 4D (once again I ask of thee please reasearch before making the retared statements)


Once again my apologies to all for sounding so harsh, cold or brutal but I think we covered all that we can, nonetheless perhaps we need to dilute the information so it is understandable for those with an IQ below 10 (one person in specific). This way we can go back to being at peace and attending to more important matters.

PERIOD
Kmxorbit 7:57 AM - 8 August, 2011
point is: nobody is obliged to choose between the 2. If you like both, then use both. who the hell cares, anyway...
DJChad72 1:40 PM - 8 August, 2011
DJ_Esco,

One, if you cant just state fact without name calling, The move on.

Two, I have seen those maps, which are MADE by a 3rd party, not Atomix. I have downloaded before hoping it would be a great starting point for the jog wheels and encoders on the Xone DX. The Xone series are to have the same base midi commands for jogwheels and encorder knobs, which are the tough things to map. However the user who submitted the map skipped over those controls entirely and only mapped the faders, buttons, knobs. So that does not make Atomix "supporting it." Additionally, It is missing some very key functions.

SO just because you see a controller in the download section and on their hardware page, does not mean 1) the map is 100%, and 2) as the controller is mapped out. I submitted a Stealth Control map and it worked 95% of the time. As pointed out earlier in this thread, there are 2 Stealth Control body types. Atomix didnt know how to handle these. So the buttons in the FX section where the two units differ gets confused and start working unpredictably after some time in a session. So I know they dont test and FIX anything with the maps.

See this is called EXPERIENCE. Which is what I am basing my comments on. That is the act of using the product on topic... NOT looking at a website and posting links. If you actually owned a Xone product and tried the map, you would know it is NOT 100% supported. Critical functions have been left out. If you have time to do a hard coded definition map for the entire controller, supposedly it will work. However Atomix wants a user to take the time to do it and share it. They will not take the time to do it themselves. Even if the just did the jog wheels and encoder syntax, which is what no one can get, it would allow users to do the rest themselves. But that is not their business model, which is to have users do all this for them and then they can post it as a "supported controller" in their hardware section: www.virtualdj.com

EVEN IF IT DOES NOT 100% WORK! Then people like you, without a CLUE, posts it and tells people the controller is supported and it works with VDJ. That is just plain ignorance. If you have not DONE IT, USED IT, or at least TRIED IT. Then you need to keep your fingers off the keyboard.

Talk about patience. I have shown CONSIDERABLE restraint given everyone just wants to bash ME instead of actually talking about the products ... INTELLIGENTLY.

Kmxorbit, I agree. I have all 3 software licenses: VDJ, Traktor, and ITCH. I choose ITCH. I have provided my reasons, and that is all i can do on this topic. If other users want to keep providing links to websites and spreading half truths... I guess this thread can be rezoned for trolls.
DJSMOOTHBLENDZ 3:18 PM - 8 August, 2011
wow look this whole thing just went to left field truth of the matter is the software dont manipulate the dj the dj manipulates the software so what im basicly saying use what u feel works for u everyone likes different things just like we in the us prefer serato and people in other countries prefer traktor it works for u then rock it but on the other hand i dj in clubs bars lounges and any other event that pays the bills and in the club scene if u take ur lil virtual dj stuff they look at u like a retard cuz 85% of the time the equipment in there is serato so its like them offering u a bmw and u come wit a kia what im saying as a dj learn as much as u can with using different things cuz u never know what challenges will be thrown at u in life dj wise i personaly dont care i love my serato itch but can rock on traktor and virtual dj and torq why do i practice this cuz when u travel to dj in other places u never know what set up they have so in other words stay universal use what works for u and practice outside of what u normaly use software is as good as the person controling it ns7 with traktor, virtual dj and torq sucks why cuz they cant halde the technology that serato and numark put together that the problem our technological advances are supirior to them so now they need to catch up to what we put out in other words i see people complaining that itch need to catch up to the other guys but noone every says when will this other software catch up to my hardware video dont need i baught an ns7 to dj music not videos traktor dont even have video but everyone acts like its the best torq just looks likes a mess and sounds crapy wit ns7 that is so then we have itch which is stable sounds awsome and 0 latency now u do the math and when video comes our way which it is it was already stated watch who will jump back on serato the same people that are complaining that it sucks now


and shout outs to esco dont diss that man when that man right there has done so much for both companies (serato , virtual dj)

oh and to those that are just here to bash others is kool bash at me all u want but while u sitting here typing im actualy out djing or practicing my craft i just had to vent that out since i seen so many people having a hissy fit lol have a good day ya
SBDJ 4:10 PM - 8 August, 2011
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However here is what would be truly interesting. Buy a Numark DMC2 + Rane box (SL#) + Mixer of your choice. Both will work with Serato and VDJ out of the box, thanks to Serato map for DMC2 and Rane's drivers for their Serato boxes.

Video for SSL is $199 and VDJ is $399. Serato + Video is still cheaper than buying VDJ Pro.


Your cost argument is biased because you are purchasing an SL# to support both platforms - this is just silly - you wouldn't buy an SL#. How about you do it wish SL# + VSL and another sound card + VDJ? It's also worth pointing out that most VSL users have switched to ME.

Quote:
The A&H controllers like the Xone 3D, 4D, and DX are among the most popular with house DJs. You will find not a one of them have a map for VDJ. Why? Too many in/out channels on the audio card, the encoder knobs and jog wheels will not work with their mapping GUI. You have to write a full text definition file, which might as well be in java or C+++ for those who are not MIDI wiz geeks.


Again, rubbish, and shows just how much research you've actually done before commenting. The 3D and 4D both definately have maps available and users using them. Number of channels is completely irrelevant - my Ecler EVO5 works perfectly and in fact VDJ supports multiple multi-channel cards so that is rubbish. I've tried to point this out so many times to you: IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAP THEN DON'T BUY AN UNSUPPORTED CONTROLLER AND COMPLAIN YOU CAN'T MAP IT. These days there is actually a utility available that builds the definition for you. The format is nothing like java or C - it's simple XML. If it's beyond you then buy a controller that is already supported. It's really not difficult and you can't judge everyone by your own technical ineptitude.

VDJ is by no means perfect. I've had to do numerous things to make it do what I want it to and there are still things about it that annoy the crap out of me - but it's the fact I can make it do what I want that makes it an invaluable tool to me. Some people like you like a fixed solution, I like something flexible and expandable as I have the ability to do these things. How would a vendor know what video transitions I wanted mapped on MIDI shortcuts?!
DJChad72 4:21 PM - 8 August, 2011
its not a matter of channels. I am saying the maps dont include pre mappings for the jog wheels and pitch adjustments on the decks those are critical to any DJ who does not use beat sync, dont you think.

I bought my Xone DX because I wanted to use ITCH. If I could map it with VDJ, great. If not, dont care.

What is out right hilarious is VDJ and its "volunteers" defend itself by saying out one side of their mouth, "our MIDI mapping feature allows you to bring whatever you want and use it with VDJ."

Out the other side of their mouth, when the mapping doesnt work, they say "well that really wasnt made for VDJ, so what are you complaining about?"

Sorry, but you cant have it both ways. Which is it? Otherwise it is bait and switch.
kraal 4:50 PM - 8 August, 2011
there are 2 views going on causing an confusing clash in the middle people are saying itch and looking at the 'controller' of being itch. so to say the xone dx with itch or vdj you will get a different responce than you will get if you are talking a capable controller with itch vs a capable controller with vdj
DJSMOOTHBLENDZ 5:06 PM - 8 August, 2011
Quote:
there are 2 views going on causing an confusing clash in the middle people are saying itch and looking at the 'controller' of being itch. so to say the xone dx with itch or vdj you will get a different responce than you will get if you are talking a capable controller with itch vs a capable controller with vdj

(agreed)
SBDJ 9:28 PM - 8 August, 2011
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its not a matter of channels.


I quoted that directly from your post. You said it, not me.

Quote:
I am saying the maps dont include pre mappings for the jog wheels and pitch adjustments on the decks those are critical to any DJ who does not use beat sync, dont you think.


I've just opened the definition file for the Xone:4D. It has both jogwheels and 2 pitch sliders mapped by default, so your statement is quite simply incorrect.

Quote:
What is out right hilarious is VDJ and its "volunteers" defend itself by saying out one side of their mouth, "our MIDI mapping feature allows you to bring whatever you want and use it with VDJ."

Out the other side of their mouth, when the mapping doesnt work, they say "well that really wasnt made for VDJ, so what are you complaining about?"

Sorry, but you cant have it both ways. Which is it? Otherwise it is bait and switch.


You *CAN* use pretty much any MIDI or HID controller. There is no bait and switch.

If it isn't already supported then you will have to do some work yourself. Some people however are too lazy or not technically capable enough. They then blame the software because they bought something that wasn't supported and couldn't make it work themselves.

Even at that point you can still get help - and despite your complaints there are lots of people getting help with mapping day in day out.
DJ_Esco 10:00 PM - 8 August, 2011
Thanks DJSMOOTHBLENDZ

Lets be clear I am not bashing one or the other.
The question was which is better VIRTUAL DJ or ITCH . I simply gave my opinion based on solid current facts.

The results are in (tears open the envelope and begins to read out load)

1. ITCH only controls ITCH based controllers however has direct 1:1 ITCH based controller support.
2. VIRTUAL DJ can be mapped to any MIDI device and custom mapped (unlimited configurations).
3. ITCH can make use of 2 control interfaces (at present and this statement excludes the keyboard) which are a main controller and the effects controller interface.
4. Virtual DJ is capable of controlling or making use of up to 99 USB based MIDI devices.
5. ITCH is has a Night/Day one click feature
6. Virtual DJ Does not.
7. ITCH can change the GUI lay out or arrangement by "one click buttons" or shortcuts
8. Virtual DJ can not. However you can completely customize its look and feel.
9 ITCH will not allow the option of modifying skins backgrounds etc.
10. Virtual DJ has an array of custom skins and you can even create your own
11 ITCH Does not include Video
12 VIRTUAL DJ includes VIDEO, effects and transitions
13.ITCH Provides sound effects by the addition of a controller you must buy
14. VIRTUAL DJ provides sound effects no controller required
15. ITCH has mapped exactly what will work how
16.Virtual DJ allows you to customize how you want your controller to work
17. ITCH comes free with the purchase of any ITCH based controller
18. VIRTUAL DJ costs money (no controller must be purchased to use the functionalities)

These are the differences.

Similarities are:
Both have tech support
Both can play audio
Both have beat syncing
both have effects
both support AiSO
both support HID MIDI
both support TimeCoded Vinyl
both support TimeCoded CDs
Both are used by Professional respected and recognized DJs globally
both have cool forums with supporters and haters in it ;)
I own both
I support both
I trouble shoot document and report on both

Therefore I am saying in this perfect cozy world you live in the reality is far from that. There are always bugs, problems and issues. sometimes due to the software sometimes due to the hardware but often times its from the users who use them.

Pick what you want (In the case of DJChad72 my guess its SSL while in the case of all who read the clearly stated title and use one of such it will be one or the other or a combination of the two.

In addition I would like to state I look forward to seeing what M.E. or Mix Emergency will bring to the table. be it in the form of a plugin or be it in some standalone option or solution as I like to review hardware and software intended for DJs.

Competition and innovation is good for it is what keeps the wheels turning ;)
I hope this statement will not rattle the cages of all and create an endless sea of bashing, rumors, world hunger, global warming etc.....


With this said and done:
Good day to all
or Goodnight to all
(depending on your time zone or location)

DJ Esco :)
Julynessi 10:18 PM - 8 August, 2011
As the Most Important Elements In the Name of "DJing" are about "Looks,Style and Tastes"
I think when we said "Virtual DJ" & "Serato ITch.". I think the last name was look better.. LoL.
DJ_Esco 10:21 PM - 8 August, 2011
Are you sure you are not that fashon freak dj PAULY D anonymously posting as Julynessi ???
Just kidding ;)

It does look sexy eh??
DJChad72 12:20 AM - 9 August, 2011
SBDJ, I know I said that. But that is just one obstacle and was beside the point. The recent focus on the main topic was MIDI mapping really an advantage for VDJ over ITCH? I see from this thread there were some advances. Based on other commentary, the maps sucked and the jogwheel would not work. Which the DX and 3D/4Ds use the same midi commands on jogs and encoders. So it would not work. Still didnt look like everyone got it completely 100%, but close it looks like. Sorry for not going to my DX and trying this all over again 1 year later.

www2.virtualdj.com

DJ_Esco, great list. The only thing I would say is loosely stated is #2 - yes they *can* be mapped. However the qualifier of easy and hard is not known until you try it. That is the gotcha in this whole process and where ITCH takes that ambiguity out of the "will it or wont it?"

Also, I use ITCH, not SSL. Just so you know. :) I know the topic is VDJ vs ITCH. However when you start bringing up bringing "pick a 3rd party controller" to the table, that is really SSL in the Serato stable, NOT ITCH. ITCH is all about the hardware made for the software, and the software made for the hardware. SSL address the audio out, but allows for a number of 3rd party controllers to come to the table.

If you really want to compare ITCH to VDJ, you need to compare something like Denon MC5000 to the Numark NS6. How do those two solutions compare out of the box and after the VDJ Pro upgrade? What about the Hercules to the Xone DX? The American Audio to the VCI300 MKII? What about the Denon HC5000 for VDJ vs ITCH?

That is the only way to compare them. Otherwise you are just trying to compare Google to Apple. Which is a merry go round.
DJChad72 12:41 AM - 9 August, 2011
Also, I will agree and used to believe having open MIDI mapping controls was an advantage VDJ had over other solutions. So I could pick what controller has enough buttons for me to use and then could easily map it.

But after I started seeing it required you to come up with things like this,
param_greater 50% ? deck # jogwheel -0.05 : deck # jogwheel +0.05
OR
param_greater 50% ? deck # effect slider 1 - 1 : deck # effect slider 1 + 1

It greatly showed how NOT easy it was for someone who is not a full time audio engineer to use. So that is why I hold that you cant really count it as an advantage or disadvantage. If every controller could be mapped = JOGWHEEL or = PITCHSLIDER, I would definitely change my opinion. But the above leaves ALOT to be desired on a professional program that is $400.
DJ.Tyme 1:15 AM - 9 August, 2011
@ DJ Esco Amen!!!! and As I Have Said All Along On Any Thread On Any Of These Forums. I Use Both Itch And VDJ On My Ns7, Without Any Problems @ All. i Had Denons Dn-s3500, SSL With My SL3 And I Loved It, But Being A Mobile DJ,Working 50 Hours A Week @ My Regular Job And Then DJing On Saturdays. I Wanted A All In One Unit.So I Sold Everythang And Bought My NS7 And Have Never Looked Back. It Just Depends On Wut Type Of Party Im DJing,That Decides Which Software Im Gonna Use That Night!!! Ohhhh Yeah Plus My Set Up Iz Soooo Simple I Luv It = Laptop To The NS7 Out To My Yamahas DSR115's.Throw In A Few Lights And Its A Done Deal. Yeahhhh Boyyyyyyy (Superkuts)
DJ_Esco 1:25 AM - 9 August, 2011
DJChad72

Aside from A Numark NS7 I also have and use a Allen & Heath Xone 3D with VDJ. and I can say it works well with both maps I have personally made for it and the ones posted on VDJ site. I only remapped its functions to be able to use it the way I wanted to vs the way it was originally intended to be used (adding specific functions during use in my performances)

Everyone can tell you (here or on the VDJ forum) I found the NS7 a bit more challenging due to the fact it had motorized platters using the new HID format and more control data being sent back and forth to the controller and the PC. Therefore, I made it my goal to fully understand its communications protocol and how it would fit into operation with other softwares only to explore additional possibilities with it. In addition to CAREFULLY researching new ITCH HID based products which may or are being publicly announced by additional manufacturers. I did not want to makle any speculations. PERIOD.

Yes I am a geek, product analyst, reviewer, and tester but I am also a DJ which make me meticulous at all that I do.

So when I hear some one whine saying: "wha wha!!! I can't make my NS7 work or wah!!! I dont know how to do this" I will typically help them achieve that goal (and so may others). But when I hear someone TRASH or BASH the hard works of others who worked hard and obviously that person has no understanding about what they are commenting about, instead of asking for help. Then this is where they not only loose respect but also credibility for anything they have to say.

Before you post anything make sure you have a clear head and you did your research. and if not then play it safe by not posting solely on "I thinks" Get your head out your ass!

Yes You have 3 great companies Atomix Productions, Serato and Tractor (and four if you consider inklen and the posibilites can go on like Ms Pinky etc....)

Quit hating and move on with your SSL to a SSL VDj bashing forum and vise versa (as I a sure they exsist)


This is a clearly VDJ/Itch subject line forum thread.

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ITCH VS VIRTUAL DJ - WHICH DO YOU PREFER?.


it does not read: "BITCH" anywhere in the subject line.

(Note: DJ Esco Ended all commentary to DJChad72 and resuming to the original thread subject)
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@ DJ Esco Amen!!!! and As I Have Said All Along On Any Thread On Any Of These Forums. I Use Both Itch And VDJ On My Ns7, Without Any Problems @ All. i Had Denons Dn-s3500, SSL With My SL3 And I Loved It, But Being A Mobile DJ,Working 50 Hours A Week @ My Regular Job And Then DJing On Saturdays. I Wanted A All In One Unit.So I Sold Everythang And Bought My NS7 And Have Never Looked Back. It Just Depends On Wut Type Of Party Im DJing,That Decides Which Software Im Gonna Use That Night!!! Ohhhh Yeah Plus My Set Up Iz Soooo Simple I Luv It = Laptop To The NS7 Out To My Yamahas DSR115's.Throw In A Few Lights And Its A Done Deal. Yeahhhh Boyyyyyyy (Superkuts)


+1
BTW my apologies to all again (for venting) ;) LOL
dj ask 1:43 AM - 9 August, 2011
I skipped everything to type this.

One of the main reasons that helped me decide to buy the NS7 was the statement that it was compatible with MIDI mappable software... and yes that it what the statement said...

I dont care anymore.. honestly... but that is what it said..
Maskrider 2:01 AM - 9 August, 2011
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Maskrider have you ever messed around wit VDJ ? i dont even do video!! its just kool how you kan customize everythang & anythang you want


You know what I might try it this place where I Dj at put a projector screen a week ago.....:)
VJ Storm 2:32 AM - 9 August, 2011
+1 dj ask me too.
VJ Storm 3:42 AM - 9 August, 2011
too funny looks like i am saying ask me too. hahaha

i mean +1 for: dj ask
I agree with him 100% and dj esco been very helpful with setting it up with other software too.
thanks to the two of you
DJChad72 3:47 AM - 9 August, 2011
DJ ESCO, One could look at it the flip side of that. It is great you are sitting in a position to help others, I commend you for that. But you are not necessarily able to see that user's entire history or what has lean them to be unhappy. So it may not be just that ONE instance, it could be a chain of events.

For me it was when I tried to use ALL IN ONE solution and diversify my DJ rig setup.
1st - I bought a VCI100. I worked with a support agent who was connected into my laptop to review the maps. No matter how we tweaked the map or the hardware setting, touching the platters would STOP the track. Very bad situation to be in and NOT usable. The support rep said it should be working. However he needed to to lunch and would be back in an hour. He never returned and next rep said, we cant help you with mapping. Very frusterating situation to be in after spending $500 on a controller that VDJ said before I bought was already premapped.

2nd - I exchanged the VCI for Stealth Control. I had been using a DMC2 and figured the jogwheels would work like I am used to and did. However there were two diff types of Stealth Controls released and VDJ did not have both types internally names/mapped. So no matter how I tried to map, it would not allow me to mirror map the FX sections for both decks. It took me 2 months to CONVINCE one of the techs something was wrong. I had to send JPGs of the two controllers. He told me it was fixed in next .0.1 type release. It broke all my mapping, so I had to remap the entire controller over again. But the problem of the FX controllers spontanioiusly switching decks still occurs. My map is still in the download section and 2 friends with Stealth Control still use it. They dont use the FX controls on the contoller because of this. According to VDJ, the mapping has the currently syntax (as of VDJ6.0)

3rd - I had a Sony VAIO that would constantly free with VDJ. No other program but VDJ. I thought that thing was going to be the death of me and DJ Rick. He tried what he could, but we just decided this machine just does not want to play ITCH. So I decided instead of having 2 Windows laptops, I would buy a MAC. So I did and loved it. Only problem is, I then find out that almost all the FX that I used on Windows do not exist for MAC in the download section. Sure, if I had asked the right question before making that leap, I would have found it out. But given there is a VDJ MAC installer and users were pretty happy with it... I really didnt think anything of it.

Those sequence of events... having spent money on a VERY solid DMC2/DJIO/PPD9000 DJ rick with Cue and VDJ Pro license and then on a VCI300, Stealth Control, and a MAC... and the end result... left me very raw with the situation. The big bang with VDJ6 (was the newest release at the time) was the scripting. So I brought controllers to the table that were to "MAP and WORK" naturally with VDJ... just didnt.

So I am sorry you and SBDJ get frustrated with users like me. I know it can take time trying to respond to a forum thread and post. But imagine the user on the other end who just dropped cash, has gigs coming up, and was assured this setup would work without so much as a bead of sweat off your brow.

But do not dare try and discount the anguish or frustration I experinced with VDJ that eventually lead me to completely dumping it from ALL use. I used it for nearly 4 years and convinced other DJs and Clubs to put in similar installations. I put alot of money toward their bottom line, and see constantly just see the experience degrade was very disappointing.

Its great the Xone 3D and 4D and who knows the Xone DX work with the right syntax. But over a year and a half ago, they didnt. I bought the Xone DX because it worked with ITCH and had heard alot of great things about Serato. I also knew it had maps from A&H for Traktor, and VDJ supports mapping. So potentially this one controller could be used with all three software programs. Then I really could just decide which one is best for me. A year ago, VDJ just didnt have the setup for the audio and the critical deck functions. So I just kept moving on. And honestly, I really did give it a go at definition files and such. But after wasting hours and hours on it, I just decided ITCH works great. Traktor works so-so. And so I have latched on to ITCH and never looked back.

So this whole chain of responses started because someone spoke up to say how great the VDJ MIDI mapping and download plugs are. Maybe they are for that user. But my experience has been, not always an asset to the DJ. Not every DJ has the time or skill to put into it. But if you have ever worked in an technical industry... there is a cartoon that is constantly referred to as "the tire swing."

Link here: www.google.com

You can bet every user has had the reassurance from someone over in VDJ that the controller will map, it is already fully supported, or you can easily map it yourself and if you have issues just ask for help. Then it depicts what gets delivered in reality to the end user. THAT my friend has been my experience for VDJ. I certainly have NOT had the situation over here with Serato.

So best of luck with VDJ. Great it works for you. My experience was great at first. Not so much toward the end. Wont recommend it to another DJ.
VJ Storm 4:01 AM - 9 August, 2011
sounds to me like you are using a cracked pirated version of vdj
i am saying this from experience some one is putting trojans in the cracked versions
my legit version gave me no problems
DJChad72 4:10 AM - 9 August, 2011
Same user name on VDJ site. Verify for yourself. I can also take a picture of the Numark Cue 5.0 box I originally bought with the receipt from American Musical, along with the DMC2, DJIO, and CDN95. This was my next evolution in gear after CDN88's and 90's.

But on VDJ you will see Numark Cue Pro, LE, and Virtual DJ Pro licenses attached to my user name.

Sorry... paying user. Too bad I was not treated like one.
dj ask 4:14 AM - 9 August, 2011
lol, chad where u the one that was rude to me once in the VDJ forum?
DJChad72 1:15 PM - 9 August, 2011
Depends. It takes alot to push me as I am normally patient. At least at work my coworkers know when I raise my voice its because someone has repeatably pushed me on a topic where there is no chance it will happen.

its possible but I assure you its not my normal mode of operation. :)
VJ Storm 6:34 PM - 9 August, 2011
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Depends. It takes alot to push me as I am normally patient. At least at work my coworkers know when I raise my voice its because someone has repeatably pushed me on a topic where there is no chance it will happen.

its possible but I assure you its not my normal mode of operation. :)


lmfao
2 words anger management, roid rage, psychological issues or in denial. feel free to pick one.
i think djesco is ignoring you.
he did write
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(Note: DJ Esco Ended all commentary to DJChad72 and resuming to the original thread subject)

but obviously you did not get the memo. lmao
VJ Storm 6:58 PM - 9 August, 2011
still lmao about this. I was laughing so hard i was rolling on the floor, my eyes got watery
then i just realized you are seem to be from fairway kansas
it has only 4,000 residents 1800 homes and 100 businesses
omg! i think my neighborhood has more businesses than this in a 10 block area
no wonder you limit yourself so much. you really need to get out more.
So you can say that famous phrase "we are not in kansas anymore!"

i seriously made popcorn this time so i can read a 100 page ranting repost from you about your feelings and experiences with vdj.
humor us some more please!
DJChad72 2:40 AM - 10 August, 2011
wow, my first serato stalker. Fairway is a 15 min suburb from heart of Kansas City. You know the internet has more than just porn and DJ sites. You can simply google and find a map of the area to know these things. I am very disappointed in my stalker already.

The crickets obviously mean the customer which was ME in this case, IS always right. That is what VDJ and its affiliates, friendlies, and volunteers did not and still do not get. Arguing with the customer does NOTHING for you but help you loose a customer. Over there is just seemed like
Common sense falls on deaf ears over there.

Serato has top service and therefore, dont think they have much to worry about with me leaving. EVERY one of their people see you through until the end, OR they let you know if it (your issue) has been reproduced. Which is another great point. They actually have all their hardware and computer configurations sitting around to ACTUALLY use, test with, validate, and help the user resolve their issue. Something I ran into alot with VDJ was the volunteer or Atomix developer didnt have a MAC, or the controller, or something in order to help you troubleshoot, recompile, or resolve your issue. You would think $399 a pop, they could afford to pick up the phone and ask Numark to send over a $200 MIDI controller to test with. Afterall, Numark rebranding their software as Cue for retail offerings.

Serato, in my book has been the KING of ensuring, out of the box and upon connection, everything works as you expect. They also PUBLISH the exact mappings of each controller and share openly on their website so you know HOW the controller will work from the start. You cant get to any of the maps until you register in the VDJ community and register a Pro license. It may be helpful to VDJ if they actually provided PDF documents (like Serato) on their VDJ Hardware pages. That way the user would know the map is 1) authored by a user or VDJ, and 2) what exactly does each button do without any changes to the map. DJs might be able to better make decisions for themselves before buying hardware for VDJ, especially if they dont want to spend more time mapping than actually testing/playing.

I hope you have enjoyed another episode of WHY, I am right. I also hope you enjoyed your popcorn DJ Storm. Try now to joke on it. I might feel guilty if I killed my stalker.
VJ Storm 3:52 AM - 10 August, 2011
lmao
i was actually talking to someone you know today
they said 'you like to talk out your ass all of the time and bitch and moan about everything in general with the tendency to blame others and exaggerate to cover your own frequent fu*k ups'

serato having top service??? the only way to get answers is to open a question on the forum or to call someone who had the same problem. maybe i am wrong but i cant find a number.
test it out for your self see if you can get live support.
no phone number
no live chat
just forum requests which takes for ever from what i heard from a local store that sells serato products.

sounds like the got it to the "t" when it comes to you.
ramble on with something more entertaining. Take for example the crib you slept in and how tasty the lead paint chips you used to nibble on were. lmao

i am not a stalker
i am a fan of yours cheering you on
so come one give 500 more pages of sheer entertainment and making yourself look like a total ass.
DJChad72 4:03 AM - 10 August, 2011
When I used VDJ about 2 years ago, i tried the chat and number thing. The chat was offline more than online. The phone line was only open a minimal amount of hours (like when everyone else is at work and not at home with their gear.) And if your question was mapping/VDJ script related they would just redirect you to the forums anyway. So what was the point. Latency, drops outs, etc.. is covered a zillion times over in the forums and is pretty much the first thing you have to learn about when using computer based DJ setup.

So dont really see your point about Serato support via their website being less effective.

I await your next troll move. I guess TrollFest 2.0 came in the form of people scamming the OLD threads everyone had forgotten about instead of creating new 2.0 and where is 2.1 threads. Very clever indeed.
DJ.Tyme 4:19 AM - 10 August, 2011
Everytyme i see a post by DJ Shad i just immediately close it he's a waste of tyme ya.
DJChad72 5:19 AM - 10 August, 2011
That would explain a lot of what you have posted. Stop tracking the thread if you aren't willing to read and consider other people's point of view. Its a debate. You can leave it at anytime.

If you really didnt care or cant stand anyone's opinion but your own, you could have clicked "stop tracking this discussion" along time ago.
DJ_Esco 5:32 AM - 10 August, 2011
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Everytyme i see a post by DJ Shad i just immediately close it he's a waste of tyme ya.

Indeed and like wise. In addition I did like how he avoided the Serato statement made by VJ Storm.
Oh well. I am certain this thread will keep being flooded by him some more.

Perhaps saying Atomix made insulting comments to him like do you have a license to operate a computer??

Seriously I am sorry he had such bad experience(s) with VDJ. I really don't see how some one could have so much bad luck with it where they have to ramble son seemingly forever. This is quite frankly terrible.
DJChad72 5:50 AM - 10 August, 2011
Thank you Esco. I am actually happy for you if it is all that and a bag of chips for you. :) The potential is there. For me it was bad timing, and I really needed something a little more fool proof for me. (there I called myself a fool, does that make people feel better?) I work 60 hrs a week in a corp IT job and DJ on the weekends. Just to keep up with music and assemble sets takes all my spare time.

I had lumbar discectomy surgery 8 weeks ago and have been out of commission most of the summer recovering, and most of the first half because I could not feel my legs after standing for 5 minutes. So I will admit my patience this year has been quite thin, especially since I have only been able to accept a hand full of gigs this year due to this condition and recovery.

So I do apologize if I rambled on endlessly negatively. You are right, it is not a bad space to be in. Luckily, I just got my twitch today. So that did bring a smile to my face. I hope to play with it later this week. I got to sit and test my DX and 2.0 some in private beta (before my surgery) and then toward the end of the public beta. So I have had a few appetizers, but I just want to get back out on the field.

I have about 5 more weeks before I can be released to lift more than a gallon of milk, but the great news is it worked. I walk 2-3 miles a do now, and I just cant wait to throw on the headphones, fire up ITCH, and perform for a crowd sometime VERY soon.
ChrisD 6:00 AM - 10 August, 2011
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just forum requests which takes for ever from what i heard from a local store that sells serato products

So that'd be here-say then. The Serato and ITCH partner support teams solve huge numbers of support requests every day.

If you have a problem with ITCH try creating a Help Request and see what happens rather than relying on a throw away comment from "a local store": serato.com

You can also contact Serato via Facebook - www.facebook.com - and Twitter - twitter.com
dj ask 6:24 AM - 10 August, 2011
do people really open so many help tickets? huge numbers of support requests every day?
DJ_Esco 7:35 AM - 10 August, 2011
I hope the lad recovers well.

Moving on (slightly off the subject but also related to the subject): ChrisD (of Serato) since I have you in here or anyone else for that matter can someone answer my question/help request found in serato.com I also sent it via Twitter to @SeratoHQ approximately a week ago would be nice to have an answer ;)


Thanks,

DJ Esco
VJ Storm 7:59 AM - 10 August, 2011
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So that'd be here-say then. The Serato and ITCH partner support teams solve huge numbers of support requests every day.

wow i would never thought that due to everything DJChad72 was saying.

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Moving on (slightly off the subject but also related to the subject): ChrisD (of Serato) since I have you in here or anyone else for that matter can someone answer my question/help request found in serato.com I also sent it via Twitter to @SeratoHQ approximately a week ago would be nice to have an answer

lets start a timer.
kraal 1:01 PM - 10 August, 2011
i sent to twitter before and was told the twitter accound is NOT who you want to talk to with problems it is more chat and advertising
DJ.Tyme 7:46 PM - 10 August, 2011
Uhhh shad I didn't say (other people) JUST YOU
DJChad72 9:53 PM - 10 August, 2011
Its quite obvious some users in this forum read what they want and get what they want out of it. Most likely don't even use Serato products... at least their history only shows 1 forum thread or a year ago not even understand difference between timecode or internal mixing. So not a high degree of confidence they really understand a whole lotbof what is being written. Like a caveman with a gun, afraid of the bang.

TWITTER OR FACEBOOK messages might be great for quick binary (yes or no) q&a but not techincal. I always use the request for help link if i need something. In the last year I've only done so when testing betas. Note once in a year on a production version of ITCH have I needed assistance.

I wish I could have said the same with my last year of VDJ. I am sure I impacted their support numbers and first call resolution.
ChrisD 10:19 PM - 10 August, 2011
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do people really open so many help tickets? huge numbers of support requests every day?

Why are you even asking this question, dj ask? Go into the help areas and see for yourself.

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lets start a timer

Sure - do it VJ Storm. Oh wait, you haven't. Do you even use a Serato product?
DJChad72 3:05 AM - 11 August, 2011
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Uhhh shad I didn't say (other people) JUST YOU


1) get glasses for that stupid hat. you cant even see or spell my name.
2) that made absolutely no sense.
3) dont talk to me. stalker troll restraining order.
dj ask 4:02 AM - 11 August, 2011
what is up peoples behinds!
dj ask 4:03 AM - 11 August, 2011
i think it has to do with the moderators in this forum. some of them can be very rude and instigate people to be less than polite and respectful.
ChrisD 4:11 AM - 11 August, 2011
dj ask,

You complain about Serato products and you complain about the Serato forum. Yet despite being banned once, you're STILL here.

What does that say about you?

If you truly believe half the nonsense you write you would've left us all alone a long time ago. Instead you have a compulsion that compels you to come back and you have a person obsession with me for pointing out your absurdities.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: please leave this forum. You're presence is not welcome here.
DJChad72 4:32 AM - 11 August, 2011
ChrisD,

To me it is just a bunch of VDJ users who are obviously a bit worried about what Serato users perspective on VDJ. It was a quiet thread for MONTHS and all of a sudden 2.0 comes out and its hot again.

They obviously do not understand ITCH and its philosophy (serato.com) or they wouldn't make the statements or comparisons they have. If they also took time to review the Serato Product information (serato.com) they would see Serato does not need users to do their development for them. Serato knows a thing or two about plug ins, DJ software and hardware, as well as enable their members with a great (free) source of music.

This is why many DJs come to Serato and never go back or try VDJ. Since I was the only one carrying to set the record straight on these points... im just going to stop tracking. I am sure JoshPro2 would not mind... he has not needed any assistance in almost a year. LOL
DJChad72 4:34 AM - 11 August, 2011
* I am sure JoshPro2 would not mind if you closed the thread. (i meant to say)
dj ask 5:49 AM - 11 August, 2011
wow. I guess I did not use the best words and you got offended... I didn't mean instigate on purpose per say... but the tone sometimes sounds a little raw.. and then other people and Im a tough cookie when it comes to pride.

I don't have a problem with Serato. In fact I do like Itch and even though it is true I often point out what I believe to be short comings of the software, I think that Serato has great potential and it is doing a great job.

obsessive uh? don't flattered yourself..

All I wish for it to voice an opinion and I did tell you that before. (maybe in a different tone)

I guess my opinions offended you or maybe some member of your team.

My apologies.

I still use my SL Box and it is great! I also have Traktor Scratch Pro and use VDJ with my NS7 and midi controllers.

They all work fantastic if you really use them at their best.

About the forum. You have a ton of very passionate people (me included), and some times it ends with people belittling others or feeling belittled.

As far as I am concerned I was just voicing my opinion as to how the software could and should move forward. Because let's face it I wish this software gets better for my benefit.

I will still use Serato and I'm not planning on stop using it because of this.
Don't get angry and ban people, you don't want those sour memories about you.

Let's be great and enjoy the beautiful music.

BTW GREAT JOB WITH THE SAMPLER! very good! =D I had been wishing for that for ever.

it just needs a few tweaks and it should be perfect.

Keep up the good work and let's hope we can just forget about this and move on.

and DJ CHAD: What?

and yes chad i think it was you who got aggressive to me on the VDJ forum once.. =D

did u have a similar pic then?
DJChad72 1:47 PM - 11 August, 2011
DJ Ask,

I would not remember. I dont see the point.

To his point, If you loathe something... MOVE ON. For me, going back to the VDJ forums would be like the waiter, the cook, and the buss boy all spilling everything over your new Armani suit, after leaving them a 30% tip on a 3 digit bill and the food was cold, and not even apologizing for it. I would never go back to a restaurant after that. Which is why I have not been back to the VDJ forums in over a year.

I do re frame from criticizing users and try to stick to the topic discussion. As you can read above, there were quite a few users that went on the personal offensive instead of just sticking to the topic. If they arent into the debate, just click "stop tracking this discussion."

Which is what I am doing right after I hit POST. There is nothing more to be said here.
MikeyTee 3:31 PM - 11 August, 2011
I use both programs daily. When im in the Nightclub I use serato. When im Djing a wedding tho I do use itch for the dance segments but for dinner I use Vdj. Itch doesnt have the capability to automix songs. Virtual Dj offers me the ability to have the music play non stop fading from one song to the next and now I have the ability to walk and mingle with the guests. They are both great programs and until itch offers a mode where I can set it and let it play, i will continue to use vdj as well
DJ.Tyme 6:35 PM - 11 August, 2011
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I use both programs daily. When im in the Nightclub I use serato. When im Djing a wedding tho I do use itch for the dance segments but for dinner I use Vdj. Itch doesnt have the capability to automix songs. Virtual Dj offers me the ability to have the music play non stop fading from one song to the next and now I have the ability to walk and mingle with the guests. They are both great programs and until itch offers a mode where I can set it and let it play, i will continue to use vdj as well

This is just what I've been asking for!!! And a serato rep on another post responed saying this request is a highly requested feature from mobile DJ's yeah mikeyTee I don't just what you said u do. If itch had (automix) / (smart fade) then I wouldn't need VDJ,but yup,yup I need that smart fade automix at all the weddings I do and sometimes @ school dances when I need to go chop it up with the school personal
DJ_Esco 8:10 PM - 11 August, 2011
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do people really open so many help tickets? huge numbers of support requests every day?

Why are you even asking this question, dj ask? Go into the help areas and see for yourself.

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lets start a timer

Sure - do it VJ Storm. Oh wait, you haven't. Do you even use a Serato product?


By the way thanks for the response on my ticket. I closed it now.
DJ_Esco 9:02 PM - 11 August, 2011
OMG
I just read some of the posted messages.

VJ Storm + Others Chill out. As much as I would like to kick companies in the nads to get them to implement features I would like to see they will not do it. That is unless you are actually a part of their development team and managing structure.
Serato has a market strategy that has been effective for them and one that is clearly different from Atomix productions.

The key difference is the following:

Atomix provides the main portion of the software and makes it friendly appealing and customizable by allowing the end user to create its own plugins and or features desired. Much like open source software in the since that it is modifiable.

Serato has more Gestapo like policies employed where they will create what they believe will be a marketable tool (ie effect, plug-n etc) whereas providing and having created from beginning to end all the features will make it far easier to support the product.

In addition "hitting the pause button" before rolling out a high demand feature or request not only raises the level interest in such but also raises the demand (due to public awareness) Its a subliminal form of marketing similar to the structure used in reverse psychology (example: You read "The new Binford 2000 is Coming soon with Amazing killer features" after such announcement you wil notice rumors will develop, questions will arise and naturally so will the interest of such product by the general population.)

In short both deploy two different approaches even when it come to marketing (Both Indirect and Direct) and the way they manage the development of features, enhancements. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY MAKE THEM DIFFERENT. the similarity is in the assholes who use them (being the customers) they all obtained the software some kind of way (be it that they bought a controller and it came with it, they downloaded a limited version, they bought it, or they got it from one eye willy the internet pirate) another similarity is the fact that naturally they will all bitch and whine about something that happened (be it their own fault due to not reading the Fu*king manual, not updating, not meeting specifications etc..) some feature that another software has or they once saw in a sci-fi movie, basically "things what they want and want now"

This is where a political war is waged on a company and you will see things like A vs. B which is better. Typically these wars are not initiated by the companies but are a necessary evil and serve as a wake up call to companies saying "I WANT THESE FEATURES" or "DUDE YOU NEED TO ADD THIS BECAUSE...."

The part I hate of all this is, like any war there are casualties. The "Casualties" to me are two fold meaning you will have idiots who will fearlessly defend (at no matter what cost even that of their own reputation) the side they choose by being biased, un ethical, belligerent, and to say the least uninformed. Hence the bashing will begin (wasting valuable information and time which companies could of utilized had it been presented in a more efficient concise manner.)

In short I would like to return the topic back to its topic.
Please state what you like and why. if there are deficiencies state them concisely, if there are recommendations state them concisely then move one or GTFO (as I would say) Honestly we all appreciate your feed back and can obviously learn a thing or two from each other.

Thank you all for your time, consideration and reading.

DJ Esco
DJ_Esco 9:05 PM - 11 August, 2011
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VJ Storm + Others Chill out. As much as I would like to kick companies in the nads to get them to implement features I would like to see they will not do it. That is unless you are actually a part of their development team and managing structure.


Should of read:

I would like to kick companies in the Nads to get them to implement the things or features I would like in their products. But they will not do it.

That is unless you are actually a part of their development team and managing structure which will ensure that these things are implemented and followed though.
DJSMOOTHBLENDZ 1:09 AM - 12 August, 2011
i dont think they will put in the auto mix i honestly dont see the point of it if u want to chill back and relax while u mingle and they eat there a simple solution to its very very simple in my mind pre mix the songs u want to play before the event and then just play the file its that simple or u can do it in itunes which the average person already has in there computer but hey thats just my opinion
kraal 2:08 AM - 12 August, 2011
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i dont think they will put in the auto mix i honestly dont see the point of it if u want to chill back and relax while u mingle and they eat there a simple solution to its very very simple in my mind pre mix the songs u want to play before the event and then just play the file its that simple or u can do it in itunes which the average person already has in there computer but hey thats just my opinion

only thing about the 'pre-mix' if you want to choose music based on the current crowd then pre mixing will not work
Maskrider 3:18 AM - 12 August, 2011
pre mixing even though it works at times I really don't like it.
DJSMOOTHBLENDZ 3:52 AM - 12 August, 2011
its eating time its slow music not like anyone is dancing premixing is bad bad but putting a bunch of songs on a list and letting it mix for u isnt like wow and like i said solution 2 route your main out audio to ur controler sound card and use itunes (point is it wont happen cuz u can clearly do it other ways well there is my solution 1 and 2 if its eating and mingle hour what slow jams ur playing shouldnt matter there busy talking and eating
DJ.Tyme 5:03 AM - 12 August, 2011
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i dont think they will put in the auto mix i honestly dont see the point of it if u want to chill back and relax while u mingle and they eat there a simple solution to its very very simple in my mind pre mix the songs u want to play before the event and then just play the file its that simple or u can do it in itunes which the average person already has in there computer but hey thats just my opinion

yeah other DJ's have said the same thang (pre mix) NO,NO,NO !!! the way i DJ i read the crowd which any DJ should. :-) i have never been the one to just put in a mix tape,mix cd and hope for the best. one needs to read hiz crowd :-0
DJ.Tyme 5:04 AM - 12 August, 2011
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i dont think they will put in the auto mix i honestly dont see the point of it if u want to chill back and relax while u mingle and they eat there a simple solution to its very very simple in my mind pre mix the songs u want to play before the event and then just play the file its that simple or u can do it in itunes which the average person already has in there computer but hey thats just my opinion

only thing about the 'pre-mix' if you want to choose music based on the current crowd then pre mixing will not work

+10,000
DJ.Tyme 5:04 AM - 12 August, 2011
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pre mixing even though it works at times I really don't like it.

+10,000
DJ.Tyme 5:08 AM - 12 August, 2011
DJ Smooth Blendz Are You A Mobile DJ ? Not Sometimes,But Full Tyme Like I Am ? I Dont Do The Klub Scene Anymore. Just Weddings,Schools,Bday,pool parties Ect,Ect ??? Right From The Serato Rep Himself =
Serato, Support
Matt-C 9:56 PM 1 August 2011
I hear ya DJ-Tyme. This is a feature request a lot of mobile DJs have requested, so is on our list.
I can't promise when however, but I'll close this thread down as a feature request to add more ammo to the request :D
DJ.Tyme 5:09 AM - 12 August, 2011
Quote:
i dont think they will put in the auto mix i honestly dont see the point of it if u want to chill back and relax while u mingle and they eat there a simple solution to its very very simple in my mind pre mix the songs u want to play before the event and then just play the file its that simple or u can do it in itunes which the average person already has in there computer but hey thats just my opinion

itunes Don't (Automix) / (Smart fade)
DJSMOOTHBLENDZ 7:20 AM - 12 August, 2011
im a club dj and sometimes depending on a the situation i may take a wedding or private event i also dont believe in just letting something mix for u but hey thats my opinion people pay for u to dj even if u just sitting there pressing stop and play point is they are paying u to play the music but hey to each its own and itunes does have a dj thing its not as good as vdj but the option is there
DJSMOOTHBLENDZ 7:21 AM - 12 August, 2011
i hope ya get the feature its just my personal opinion but hey everyone must be kept happy
DJFLUKE 12:16 PM - 12 August, 2011
Im in the same boat but i use VDJ. I run an RCA to 8MM from my NS7 aux to my PC sound card, i disable all midi in VDJ and just use it as a stand alone.

Until or if Itch will ever do this, i will continue to use it like this. It sure beats Itunes due to the features. It dosent interefere with Itch either.
BadBoyChubs 9:38 AM - 21 August, 2011
I say a DJ using Numark Cue which is Virtual DJ crash on while djing, but i think i was the external hard drive that was bad, cause they used serato after and it froze, maybe jus because her track where not analysis maybe.

My advice stick to serato!
DJ Demolition 4:49 AM - 22 August, 2011
Wow! Seems this thread has taken on a life of it's own.

I can't believe that I've sat here for four hours, reading this. Apparently *I* don't have a life...

My opinion; I'm disappointed in both software offerings.

I've always been ahead of the technology curve, where (entertainment) equipment was concerned. After I figured out that it was possible to further compress digital sound files and store them practically on media, I started searching for a way to play them via a PC. Finally I hooked up with a guy (can't remember his name now) who was trying to write a program similar to WinAmp. We collaborated, and he did finish it, but he got sidetracked and never did get around to working out all the features that I wanted. Too bad. By now, he would have been a billionaire... I can't remember what he called it in the beginning, but eventually he marketed it as "SuperSonic"

There were some other people out there custom writing programs for a few big name clubs, etc.., but I never was able to get in touch with them, and it's just as well, as I wouldn't have been able to afford that kind of work, anyway.

Then along came Atomix.., and I jumped on the bandwagon immediately. I then built my own controller to work with their software. I have to say that I had very high hopes in the beginning, but they have really disappointed me overall. Thing is,.. they don't listen to their customers. It's their way, or the highway. I wish I had the time to just write my own!

Just for one instance; VDJ places all your vital track info into a special file. This file is guaranteed to get corrupted everytime you install an update, or for a dozen other reasons. Of course, then you have to re-scan, and re-comment everything. This can make you literally want to kill someone. ( ! ) I begged them to just have the program write that data into the ID3 tags, so that each track would have it's own info intact. All I got was a "no". They wouldn't even offer to explain why. Yeah,.. DJChad,.. I feel ya buddy.

Well, I'll leave off on my gripes with Atomix and their software for now, and talk about ITCH for a moment. I had a great controller console of my own design, but I wanted motorized platters,.. and I just couldn't figure out a cost effective way to get that feature implemented. But then along came Numark with their V7s. Ah-ha!, I thought... They're MIDI capable... This is what I've been looking for!

Well, when I got them home, set up, and tried them out with VDJ, I was really disappointed, and could see that I was in for some nightmare programming, at the very least. Well personally, I think Traktor is a joke, and I had no experience with Serato, but I had the same opinion of their products. Nevertheless, I reluctantly loaded up ITCH on my computer, to see if it might possibly be something that I could limp along with until I could get VDJ sorted out.

To my surprise, although the software crashed repeatedly, hung up, stuttered, and was totally unstable,.. I loved the instant response and relative simplicity of the interface. Well I hate a Mac, and I wasn't going that route for sure, so to make a long story short, I had to build a new PC (Phenom x6), in order to run the interface without hangups. And it will still crash suddenly from time to time, for no apparent reason. That, and every other time I try to close the program, it will crash.

It's also full of little bugs that just take the fun out of using it. Just once, I'd like to have a setup that actually worked as intended, and not have to constantly worry about all it's shortcomings. However... Having said all that,.. the shear responsiveness of the program has won me over for the time being at least. And I don't think I'll be going back to VDJ unless they make some MAJOR changes really soon,.. or.. unless Serato fails to swiftly deal with the myriad of bugs inherent in this new version (2.0),.. especially the sync issue.

Just my 0.02
DJ.Tyme 5:06 AM - 22 August, 2011
ummm you said you built a pc using (AMD Phenom x6) ummm please read = Problems with PCs using AMD processors

Some users have reported problems with ITCH running on machines with AMD processors. Our in-house testing has also shown that AMD equipped PCs can, in some cases cause serious performance problems.

Due to the number of reports we have had of this problem we do not support machines with AMD processors for use with Serato ITCH. and read this = PLEASE NOTE: These are the minimum requirements to run Scratch Live. For best performance and for use in professional situations we recommend you use a higher spec computer. We also recommend Intel processors. YOU NEED TO GET RID OF AMD
Ragman 5:22 AM - 22 August, 2011
Also DJ Demolition if you can just get pass the Mac hate and try it out, your experience with Itch just might improve. I don't want to start a pc vs mac war, but since you gave the pc a go, why not humor yourself and give the Mac a shot at it. I mean don't you find it odd that almost every DVS maker market their software on a Mac.
DJ.Tyme 7:30 PM - 22 August, 2011
Because you have to sell the kitchen sick & my 1st born just to buy a damm mac ? Which has the same hardware as a pc. My laptop is intel core I7 quadcore,8gb of ram, 500gb hard drive & runs fine without any problems. Which cost me $600 plus dollars. Try buying a damm mac with them same specs & your out $2,000 plus dollars
DJSMOOTHBLENDZ 7:57 PM - 22 August, 2011
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Because you have to sell the kitchen sick & my 1st born just to buy a damm mac ? Which has the same hardware as a pc. My laptop is intel core I7 quadcore,8gb of ram, 500gb hard drive & runs fine without any problems. Which cost me $600 plus dollars. Try buying a damm mac with them same specs & your out $2,000 plus dollars


+1 agreed couldnt have said it better myself

hpdm4 i5 6gb ram 500gb internatl 1tb external wit no problems total price for everything 780 bucks no lag no drop outs no lock ups

if u buy a low end pc like an msi or maybe even a lenvo then it might be different and get stuck wit a headache maker just buy something from a repitable company with decnet specs and u will be fine


and yes the ((( amd ))) thing is true i had a dual core amd it cant handle itch the sound is crapy and it froze and locked up all the time then came my hp dm4 i5 problems fixed
djjoefresh 8:50 PM - 22 August, 2011
I stopped counting how many times the PC vs Mac debate came up in these forums.

Bottom line is, ITCH (and any other DVS) is realtime software. Meaning, if you're serious about your performance, you can't afford lag, latency, freezing, or any kind of hesitation on the computer's part. Generally, PCs are not realtime machines, and do not perform as well as Macs in this regard. Not saying that there aren't PCs that can avoid this issue, but you'll have a hard time finding a Mac that can't handle realtime performance. That old saying "You get what you pay for" comes to mind right about now.

Back to the topic - Virtual DJ was my first DVS years ago, using CD timecodes with some old Stanton CD turntables (I didn't have vinyl timecode at the time). I wasn't doing anything advanced with it like beat juggling or serious scratching, so it did the basics well enough, but I got very frustrated when I tried to push the system even just a little, and either the software or the computer (Dell laptop with high specs) couldn't keep up. I switched to Serato soon after. Then ITCH came out and I can't imagine going back to VDJ.

In a way it's like "Macs just work" = "Serato just works". VDJ, like PCs, are cheaper and more customizable, but you have to enjoy the challenge of figuring out why something doesn't work (and I did for years), but eventually you just want something to do what it's supposed to do. I know ITCH will just work (except for a few remaining bugs, which are in both the Mac and PC versions), with VDJ you never know, and that's not good for a serious performer.
djjoefresh 9:02 PM - 22 August, 2011
The other fundamental problem that I have with VDJ, and this is not a technical problem, is the amount of automation that it has. Besides the fact that it can automix just about everything in your library so you don't have to do a thing at a gig, the fact that it recommends which song to play next based on what you're playing is a little insulting. That's the DJ's job to know what music to play. This is part of the reason why there are so many people out there with this software calling themselves "DJs" and doing gigs for much less money because they don't need to invest in equipment or spend the time and effort to listen to and learn new music. The software is doing all that work for them.

I know that the vast majority of DJs in this forum don't fall into this category and I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but I can't tell you how many bars and clubs I've been to where the DJ is sitting back in the DJ booth with a beer in his hand watching Virtual DJ play the whole gig for him, automatically beatmatched, synced, and automixed from one song to the next in his playlist that he set up before the night started.

This is the real problem that I have with VDJ, and while ITCH does let you match tempos, it doesn't automix, or tell you what you should play next. It just seems fundamentally wrong for the software to do the work that you, the DJ, should be doing. That's all.
Kmxorbit 9:40 PM - 22 August, 2011
Don't want to start this PC vs Mac debate either. They do both well...

I took the risk of bying a mac too, (2 years ago) after using PC's for more then 20 years now.
the early itch boys will still remember that because I was also making the same value for money statements like DJ Time. (and strictly considered, these statements are correct.)
But guess what...i really don't regret it for a single second, even though a mac cost a lot of money.
The ease and reliability is unseen for this kind of (music)applications... I have less maintenance on this machine compared with the PC. this translates in less stress and more fun...
That doesn't mean that PC's are less... No sir. there are a lot of things where a mac should look and learn from the Wintel machines.

But for itch my next PC will be a macbook pro again...
DJSMOOTHBLENDZ 10:00 PM - 22 August, 2011
all i stated to the guy is that there are pc's that worked that what he asked thats what i answered you use mac or pc thats your choice aint no debate what ever gets the job doen for u
DJ_Esco 10:05 PM - 22 August, 2011
I have both a MacBook Pro and for PC I use Lenovo Think Pads. Both are pricey but well worth it.
In addition I have Both OSX and Win7 Ultimate on my Mac (Using Parallels and Bootcamp)
and
Windows 7 and OSX on my Lenovo W500

Both perform rather well.

The one thing lacking on the Mac is modification/expansion there are only 2 USB slots while my Lenovo has 4. USB 3.0 is not supported on Mac. I added an additional 500 GB drive to my Lenovo using the swappable Ultrabay (Muti CD/DVD drive) bringing it up to 1 TB in drive space.
While My Mac if I perform the same I will have to permanently loose my CD drive (unless I tear apart my Mac again to swap them)

Yes I am also a hardware hacker :)
DJ_Esco 10:06 PM - 22 August, 2011
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I have both a MacBook Pro and for PC I use Lenovo Think Pads. Both are pricey but well worth it.
In addition I have Both OSX and Win7 Ultimate on my Mac (Using Parallels and Bootcamp)
and
Windows 7 and OSX on my Lenovo W500

Both perform rather well.

The one thing lacking on the Mac is modification/expansion there are only 2 USB slots while my Lenovo has 4. USB 3.0 is not supported on Mac. I added an additional 500 GB drive to my Lenovo using the swappable Ultrabay (Muti CD/DVD drive) bringing it up to 1 TB in drive space.
While My Mac if I perform the same I will have to permanently loose my CD drive (unless I tear apart my Mac again to swap them)

Yes I am also a hardware hacker :)


Also both have VDJ Pro and Serato Itch Installed in addition to SSL in all installed OSes
DJSMOOTHBLENDZ 10:19 PM - 22 August, 2011
exactly esco thats how i have mines and never gave me no problem on a pc
DJ_Esco 10:43 PM - 22 August, 2011
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exactly esco thats how i have mines and never gave me no problem on a pc

I also do alot of testing of various softwares in addition to helping others, so this setup comes in really handy to me. :)
DJ.Tyme 1:51 AM - 23 August, 2011
DJ Joe Fresh Please read (because its dj's like you who still dont understand VDJ even if u have used it, Ya just bash it) =

1. ITCH only controls ITCH based controllers however has direct 1:1 ITCH based controller support.
2. VIRTUAL DJ can be mapped to any MIDI device and custom mapped (unlimited configurations).
3. ITCH can make use of 2 control interfaces (at present and this statement excludes the keyboard) which are a main controller and the effects controller interface.
4. Virtual DJ is capable of controlling or making use of up to 99 USB based MIDI devices.
5. ITCH is has a Night/Day one click feature
6. Virtual DJ Does not.
7. ITCH can change the GUI lay out or arrangement by "one click buttons" or shortcuts
8. Virtual DJ can not. However you can completely customize its look and feel.
9 ITCH will not allow the option of modifying skins backgrounds etc.
10. Virtual DJ has an array of custom skins and you can even create your own
11 ITCH Does not include Video
12 VIRTUAL DJ includes VIDEO, effects and transitions
13.ITCH Provides sound effects by the addition of a controller you must buy
14. VIRTUAL DJ provides sound effects no controller required
15. ITCH has mapped exactly what will work how
16.Virtual DJ allows you to customize how you want your controller to work
17. ITCH comes free with the purchase of any ITCH based controller
18. VIRTUAL DJ costs money (no controller must be purchased to use the functionalities)

These are the differences.

Similarities are:
Both have tech support
Both can play audio
Both have beat syncing
both have effects
both support AiSO
both support HID MIDI
both support TimeCoded Vinyl
both support TimeCoded CDs
Both are used by Professional respected and recognized DJs globally
both have cool forums with supporters and haters in it ;)
I own both
I support both
I trouble shoot document and report on both

Therefore I am saying in this perfect cozy world you live in the reality is far from that. There are always bugs, problems and issues. sometimes due to the software sometimes due to the hardware but often times its from the users who use them.

Pick what you want (In the case of DJChad72 my guess its SSL while in the case of all who read the clearly stated title and use one of such it will be one or the other or a combination of the two.

In addition I would like to state I look forward to seeing what M.E. or Mix Emergency will bring to the table. be it in the form of a plugin or be it in some standalone option or solution as I like to review hardware and software intended for DJs.

Competition and innovation is good for it is what keeps the wheels turning ;)
I hope this statement will not rattle the cages of all and create an endless sea of bashing, rumors, world hunger, global warming etc.....
djjoefresh 2:02 AM - 23 August, 2011
Great post Tyme, you bring up some very good points on the pros and cons of both ITCH and VDJ.

I haven't used VDJ in years, and I don't do video mixing, so my first post about technical problems I've had with VDJ in the past is probably way outdated.

I still stand by my second post about VDJ automating too much, and making "DJing" too easy for anybody to do, but for real DJ's I do agree that VDJ provides great features to do some creative and interesting things (I wish Serato would add that beatmashing effect plugin already!)

Btw I'm also interested in seeing what ME does, especially since VSL hasn't seen any updates in a while. Might get me to finally start doing video mixing at gigs.

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Competition and innovation is good for it is what keeps the wheels turning ;)

+1
DJ.Tyme 2:08 AM - 23 August, 2011
DJ Joe Fresh = i've said this plenty of tyme's on other threads, where some DJ starts to bash pc's and let everyone know what a (Macintosh Fan Boy You Are) there are tons of thread forums on here with fanboys krying about how there macintosh aint working right. go look for your self. so you say = you can't afford lag, latency, freezing, or any kind of hesitation ???? ummmm it happens with macintosh's also guy. and if you pick your Laptop right & the Guts i pay less the a damm macintosh & kan DJ just fine like i have been WITHOUT = lag, latency, freezing, or any kind of hesitation. i bet with your a Pioneer fanboy also. im so sick of these DJ's being (Follower's And Not Being A Leader) just because Dj blahhh,blahhh,blahhh use's this, im gonna run down to Guitar center and buy it. i buy and use what fits my needs NOT because someone says hey dj.tyme this is the Industry Standard and i say okay let me be like everyone else and go buy a mac & pioneer cdj JUST 2 BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ???
DJ.Tyme 2:09 AM - 23 August, 2011
that wasn't my post the credit goes to DJ Esco. i just like to reference it to dj who wanna start bashing VDJ
DJ.Tyme 2:14 AM - 23 August, 2011
you said = I still stand by my second post about VDJ automating too much, and making "DJing" too easy for anybody to do ? then why are there so many post on here with (itch Users) krying about the sync in ver 2.0 not working right ? PLEASE READ MY GOOD FRIEND = Philly DJ 6:50 PM 16 August 2011
LMAO, Everyone wants to and thinks they are a DJ just because they have a Sync feature to do the skill for them. Once it's taken away, they are like lost mice looking for a piece a cheese. It's amazing...

Use and train your ear to do the work like we used to do it and you won't be lost without the Sync feature. It should be used as a convien. and not rely on it.
djjoefresh 2:42 AM - 23 August, 2011
Tyme,

My feedback on Virtual DJ in comparison to ITCH is based on my experience with it. When I used VDJ, it froze and crashed. It was undependable in a performance environment. That's why I stopped using it. That's my experience. Not bashing. Just giving my response to the topic of this thread: "Which do you prefer, ITCH or VDJ?" If your experience differs, that's fine.

Similarly, my experience with using PCs for DJing has not been as positive as it has been with Macs. Again, just my experience. Plenty of DJ's use Windows laptops for DJing and have no trouble at all. Like SmoothBlendz said, you use what works for you.

You seem to have a lot of assumptions about me, so let me clear this up for you. I'm not a "fanboy" of any brand, I'm a fan of things that work when I need them to. I don't use Pioneer equipment, this is a discussion about ITCH and the only ITCH controller Pioneer makes is the DDJ-S1, which I don't own. I didn't use syncing in VDJ, and I don't use syncing in ITCH.

Maybe you thought my reply to your post was sarcastic. I assure you it wasn't, I genuinely thought your post with the similarities/differences between ITCH and VDJ was helpful. Your latter posts were condescending and unneccessary. If you're just here to post those kind of replies to people who are trying to have a constructive conversation and happen to disagree with your views, then I'm out of this thread before it gets locked by the mods, which would prevent the more helpful contributors to this thread from continuing the debate.
DJ Demolition 2:53 AM - 23 August, 2011
Thanks Tyme, but I reckon I've already read every post on this site regarding Serato vs AMD issues. That's because of the problems I was having initially with my AMD laptop. I tried hooking up to my friend's Macbook Pro, and although it worked a thousand times better, I still experienced some issues.

The new Phenom machine is great. No hesitation ever. The CPU meter never even moves past 5%. I can watch three movies, download from the internet, run my V7s at 45 RPM, and record my set on Audacity simultaneously, and it won't break a sweat. It will consecutively analyze six tracks in parallel at amazing speed. It's entertaining just to watch this.

If I have to endure an ITCH crash every four or five hours until they get the bugs out of this software, so be it. I'm ready with my Cd player as backup. I wouldn't trade this machine for two i7 PCs, with a Mac thrown in as boot...

Something I want to add, as I haven't seen it brought up in this thread; is bear in mind that you who don't own an NS7 or V7s, aren't experiencing the same pain as those of us who do. These particular controllers place a much heavier load on the USB and CPU because of the motorized platters.
DJ.Tyme 6:18 AM - 23 August, 2011
@ DJ Demolition Kool For The info. Yeah I Use My Ns7 Every Saturday. (Let Me Knock On Wood) Because I Haven't Had A Single hiK-Up Period. I Have SSL,Itch & VDJ Installed On My Laptop. I Don't Do Video So I Don't Know If That Makes A difference ?
DJ Demolition 1:17 AM - 25 August, 2011
@ Tyme

Well, you can't do video with ITCH, so I guess I don't understand the question.

Do you have your NS7 working properly with VDJ? I've tried my V7s with the default setup, and frankly, it's a mess. I considered buying SSL to try and get around some of the handicaps in ITCH, but it isn't natively ported to these controllers...
DJ.Tyme 3:28 AM - 25 August, 2011
VDJ works just fine did u instal the right mapper for the ns7 ? pm me your email and i kan send you the mapper like i have done for other people using the ns7
Papa Midnight 3:48 AM - 25 August, 2011
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VDJ works just fine did u instal the right mapper for the ns7 ? pm me your email and i kan send you the mapper like i have done for other people using the ns7

He's using two V7's. An NS7 map won't do him match good. Just sayin :|
DJ.Tyme 4:37 AM - 25 August, 2011
my bad thought he had the ns7,but i gots the v7 mapper also
DJ_Esco 9:26 PM - 25 August, 2011
DJ.Tyme 3:28 AM 25 August 2011
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VDJ works just fine did u instal the right mapper for the ns7 ? pm me your email and i kan send you the mapper like i have done for other people using the ns7


@DJ.Tyme I am glad you are eager to assist individuals. However, the mapper (or midi map) you are discussing is exclusive and should not be shared with Non registered users of VDJ.
Once you are a registered user, It may be acquired by the registered on the VDJ web site.


www.virtualdj.com

click on "DOWNLOAD"
then "Plugins"
then "Controllers"

================
Numark NS7 1b
Author: djesco1
Nb downloads: 122 (4 282)
Created for VirtualDJ version 7.x
================

NOTE: The NS7 Midi map will work for both Mac and PC Be sure to follow the instructions. Also you can find Videos on YouTube (incase you want to see and not just read how its done) the videos are done for both Mac and PC Users

At present for Mac users who may have or have versions greater than ITCH 1.5 installed I recommend using Bootcamp.
DJ_Esco 9:34 PM - 25 August, 2011
BTW +1
@DJ.Tyme thank you for helping members of our community and your input.
;)
dj ask 9:36 PM - 25 August, 2011
in all honesty. Is someone paying you Esco?
DJ.Tyme 11:41 PM - 25 August, 2011
sry :-(
Papa Midnight 11:52 PM - 25 August, 2011
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in all honesty. Is someone paying you Esco?

Seriously? What's next, is someone paying sbangs?
DJ Demolition 11:54 PM - 25 August, 2011
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VDJ works just fine did u instal the right mapper for the ns7 ? pm me your email and i kan send you the mapper like i have done for other people using the ns7


Hey I really appreciate the offer. However, as far as I know, I have the latest V7 mapper. I last checked about the middle of July. The NS7 mapper might work, but I sort of doubt it. With the mapper I have now, half the functions are non-functional ;) The other half are programmed to work according to the tastes of the author, not as they were intended. One of the platters works okay, the other plays at half speed. ...not usable at all, as is.

Speaking of the platters, let me tell you about a little hardware issue I'm experiencing; One of my platters won't stay on cue. When you cue a playing track, it stops instantly (as you know) but the actual platter bounces slightly back and forth for a second, so that when the software freeze clears it's still moving just enough to knock it off cue. I always have to remember to hit the hotcue to put it back in position. The other one works perfectly... Have you heard of anyone else having that particular problem?
Kmxorbit 7:40 AM - 26 August, 2011
With all respect, this is the Itch forum, not the VDJ forum.
Please discuss VDJ mappers on the VDJ forum.
djjoefresh 7:40 AM - 26 August, 2011
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With all respect, this is the Itch forum, not the VDJ forum.
Please discuss VDJ mappers on the VDJ forum.

+1
DJ Demolition 1:16 PM - 27 August, 2011
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With all respect, this is the Itch forum, not the VDJ forum.
Please discuss VDJ mappers on the VDJ forum.

+1


Look guys ("with all respect"):

No. 1: This isn't your thread. (it's joshpro2's)

No. 2: Did either of you bother to read the thread's title, before you originally chimed in and started tracking it?

No. 3: As long as we are discussing solutions to ITCH controller issues, the conversation is relevant to this "ITCH Forum"

No. 4: Have either of you been promoted to moderator status recently? Because, apparently I missed that...

...just sayin'.
DJ.Tyme 1:51 PM - 27 August, 2011
Thank You DJ Demolition
Kmxorbit 11:46 AM - 28 August, 2011
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No. 1: This isn't your thread. (it's joshpro2's)

Huh? is there a copy right on threads or something?
This is a forum, people may and can react.

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No. 2: Did either of you bother to read the thread's title, before you originally chimed in and started tracking it?

I've read the whole thread, every single post in it.. And my English is still good enough to understand the title... it's about which program you prefer, no?
and I believe it's not about exchanging VDJ mappers or do I miss something here?

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No. 3: As long as we are discussing solutions to ITCH controller issues, the conversation is relevant to this "ITCH Forum"

Dead wrong... If you wanna steer an (Itch) controller with VDJ, discuss the problems with it on the VDJ forum. You'll please all of the other VDJ users aswel, as they deserve that kind of info.
Here you discuss Itch problems with Itch controllers.

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No. 4: Have either of you been promoted to moderator status recently? Because, apparently I missed that...

Am I not allowed to have an opinion..?
just sayin'...
DJ Sergio B 6:52 PM - 28 August, 2011
The Ns7 is natively mapped now in VDJ. All you need to do now is switch the input to the ASIO driver - and change the output - master will be channel 1 and 2 - headphones is three and four and away you go!

I use both. Itch for a closer and better feel over the music and internal mixing engine is superior in every way...but VDJ for customizable layout and operation, video, and community supported plug ins and tweaks.
DJ Sergio B 6:53 PM - 28 August, 2011
oh - and your input will need to be MIC if youre using your NS7 without a mixer....there is NO delay of the mic in VDJ because it doesn't pass thru the software first
DJ.Tyme 8:06 PM - 28 August, 2011
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The Ns7 is natively mapped now in VDJ. All you need to do now is switch the input to the ASIO driver - and change the output - master will be channel 1 and 2 - headphones is three and four and away you go!

I use both. Itch for a closer and better feel over the music and internal mixing engine is superior in every way...but VDJ for customizable layout and operation, video, and community supported plug ins and tweaks.

Thanx Sergio B +100
DJ_Esco 4:37 AM - 29 August, 2011
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in all honesty. Is someone paying you Esco?

Would be nice but No.

The fact is I did make the make the mapper mentioned in this thread own my own accord.
I enjoy helping people, this is the same reasons why I posted several youtube videos on "how to"
as a way of helping those who perhaps encountered the same issues as myself or common problems which I felt I may be able to help people with.
I even have posted my phone number and email address on the videos.

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Seriously? What's next, is someone paying sbangs?

He is cool (although I have never met him personally) but I have seen he really tries to people or users of the NS7 and community.

I can state that aside from being a DJ and a Volunteer Firefighter and EMT I do not have any other employment.

BTW
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@ DJ.Tyme about the NS7 MIDI map I did speak to VDJ today and I have found out that the latest updated version of VDJ Pro 7 natively supports the NS7 now (as DJ Sergio B stated).

Keep in mind I am not certain if the same is for the Non Pro versions such as LE versions or Home editions (I would be interested to find out).

In either case feel free to share the map with others if needed. My apologies to you as I was not aware of the recent change(s).

DJ Esco








DJ Esco
DJ.Tyme 5:02 AM - 29 August, 2011
no prob. i just like helping any other DJ's in anyway i kan :-)
DJ_Esco 5:11 AM - 29 August, 2011
+1

:)
SBDJ 10:36 AM - 29 August, 2011
@Esco: Home edition doesn't support controllers and the LE versions are tied to the controllers they ship with.

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Thing is,.. they don't listen to their customers. It's their way, or the highway. I wish I had the time to just write my own!


They do seem to suffer selective deafness sometimes! I've had more than a few requests over the years - some have been done but some just seem to get glossed over. Some where so irritating to me that I've coded my own workarounds - one is enough to make me switch software if something suitable came to market.

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Just for one instance; VDJ places all your vital track info into a special file. This file is guaranteed to get corrupted everytime you install an update, or for a dozen other reasons. Of course, then you have to re-scan, and re-comment everything.


I've never had mine corrupted, and personally I keep regular backups of *everything* so I'll never have this issue either.

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Bottom line is, ITCH (and any other DVS) is realtime software. Meaning, if you're serious about your performance, you can't afford lag, latency, freezing, or any kind of hesitation on the computer's part. Generally, PCs are not realtime machines, and do not perform as well as Macs in this regard. Not saying that there aren't PCs that can avoid this issue, but you'll have a hard time finding a Mac that can't handle realtime performance. That old saying "You get what you pay for" comes to mind right about now.


This isn't PC vs Mac so much as it is Windows vs OS X and the very different ways they handle talking to hardware. Windows has it's DPC queue which can be a major shortcoming with handling realtime data. It would be much less of a major issue if BIOS and driver coders did their jobs properly too!

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I know ITCH will just work (except for a few remaining bugs, which are in both the Mac and PC versions), with VDJ you never know, and that's not good for a serious performer.


Initial setup can be greater but once you're set up, it should keep on working until something changes!

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while ITCH does let you match tempos, it doesn't automix, or tell you what you should play next. It just seems fundamentally wrong for the software to do the work that you, the DJ, should be doing. That's all.


Yet. You've got aids in most software - BPM counting, waveforms, autogain and so on. Purists will look down on you for using those aids too. As with all aids you can either use them or not. Any DJ relying on the play next suggestion is frankly an idiot and you'll get lazy people in all walks of life. If these kind of people are taking work from you then you are either targeting the wrong market or need to raise your game.
DJ_Esco 7:05 PM - 29 August, 2011
+1

SBDJ
I did not take the time to see who wrote the comments but I will say.
As much as I move around my configuration (jumping from PC to Mac, then Mac to PC) I have never had an issue with VDJ as long as you use the same drive or properly clone the drive.

None the less back ups (for reasons of data integrity) is always the best measure for a number of reasons keep in mind (believe it or not) Data corruption constantly happens during normal drive use this is why corrections are constantly being performed on the fly by the Hardrive's onboard system. Feel free to do some reading or research on this. The issue is not what can be recovered or repaired on the fly its when it can not be recovered, read or accessed for any reason such as data corruption, dropping a drive and having physical damage to the drive, viruses etc...

As far as real time management in PC SBDJ brought up a good point. Many of the problems we see are due to the coders of the hardware we use. Fortunately there are many out there who are willing to help us out with our issues. Example: webcache.googleusercontent.com also for boot camped Macbooks I found this: www.mac-forums.com seems that the Broadcom driver seems to be the root of all evil (at times) this is exactly why Serato does not recommend using Wifi simultaneously.

In short from all the testing I have done in both ITCH 2.0.1 (latest Mac and PC versions) and Virtual DJ 7 Pro 7.0.5 for Mac and 7.0.5b for PC. I have found that the majority of the issues are based on issues introduced by the hardware configuration(s) themselves.

Yes there are a limited amount of glitches but both do a decent job at fixing them by following up with a "how to" remedy or an update.

As far as the aids part, these are all features users had requested and the companies believed it would empower the users who use them to be able to make the most of what is being given to them. Keep in mind you don't have to look at your screen (waveforms, BPMS, etc..) or make use of any of the additional tools as all of this is optional.

I dont hate or look down on anyone who make use of any of this as there are different levels of DJs and different types of DJs some use all the features available to push the envelope further by combining technology with talent bringing forward some pretty amazing works while others rather stick to the old school basics combined with the talents they have.

The only thing I hate is when someone claims to be this or that and then when it comes down to it they don't even know how to use anything including the mixer in front of them. I am sure we have all met one of these at some point of our lives.
DJ.Tyme 1:54 AM - 30 August, 2011
this iz not my Quote, but i saw it and had to re-post it = if you want to make a comparison, it should be fair. You really can't compare VDJ to the others, because VDJ is in another league. The other softwares are very good at what they do, it's just that they can't do what VDJ does. If you just want to play some music, there are at least 10 softwares to choose from. Take a pick, and you will be fine, because they all do the same very well. However, if you want to have options, there is only one choice. I can do audio, video, and karaoke with one software. If my sound-card goes on the fritz or I drop it on Friday night, I can continue to play with any spare that I want, including the on-board card. I can use any controller on the market, from the little toys, to the most sophisticated. All my upgrades are free. I can stop right here, but I wont. A great forum, quick fixes for bugs. Free samples, skins, audio and video effects. Live camera feed, live slide-show. Text to screen, and DMX plug ins. I could go on, but I said all this in one breath. You are free to use whatever works for you, and I will not trash your decision with some childish comments.
DJ Demolition 3:16 AM - 30 August, 2011
Yeah Tyme, you're right.

I'm sick of them for my own reasons.... However, in my opinion, they are the granddaddy of it all. If they could really get their act together, they'd still have an excellent chance to leave the rest of the pack trailing in their dust.

I feel like they tried too hard to capture the SSL market (among other things), and consequently wasted a lot of time and effort there. You can see that the look and feel of VDJ began to gravitate in that direction 4 or 5 years ago. I liked it the way it was originally. They should have stuck to just perfecting what they already had, similarly to what Serato does.

The software is literally bristling with every kind of bell and whistle, but most of the fundamental problem issues are still there lurking beneath the surface. I think that is one of the reasons why I, like a lot of other people, have turned our attention to ITCH. We just want a good solid tool, even if it is a little on the simple side, that we can use effectively and depend on, without having to take a refresher course in programming every time they release another update, in order to realize it's potential.
DJ_Esco 10:08 AM - 30 August, 2011
@ Demolition
What were your specific issues?
DJ_Esco 1:00 PM - 30 August, 2011
I can see where one would "Expect Perfection" when ITCH is specifically made or designed for a total of 11 Controllers (Two of which are effects interfaces) keep in mind all which made have been designed in collaboration with Serato and the specific manufacturers who developed them: ie Allen & Heath Xone:DX, Denon DJ DN-HC5000, Novation TWITCH, Numark NS6, Numark NS7, Numark NSFX, Numark V7, Vestax VCI-300, Vestax VCI-300 MKII, Vestax VFX-1, Pioneer DDJ-S1.

Versus Virtual DJ which now Natively supports (I can't recall if it was 113 or 130 controllers) a surprisingly large array of controllers some using the traditional MIDI standards and others using HID MIDI standards (keep in mind all from various distinctive manufacturers and the majority without the collaboration and support from the original design teams or manufacturers.
Add that to all the "bristling with every kind of bell and whistle" you stated (DJ Demolition)
and I would say they are doing pretty good would you not say so your self ???

Honestly, I simply love them for the fact they gave me native support on the NS7 for video I was ecstatic about that. Then I found out about all the custom MIDI mapping, effects, custom scripting, skins.... etc... you can do. To my surprise I saw a fellow DJ using Technics turntables, a pair of Serato time coded vinyls, and a mixer with Virtual DJ doing a video mix performance.
This was a kind of wake up call to me which made me have a more open frame of mind about VDJ.

Over all I will admit it can be complex depending on how advance or "fancy-schmancy" you want to get as far as your custom set up. Tinkering at this level maybe well worth it to some while others prefer to use it as a "straight out of the box + a few clicks and you are up and running" solution.

I am not certain what direction Serato will go in the near future for their controllers or software but they have made their mark and established themselves well in the market they have chosen. and yes as the new generations of DJs we are we want to not just to play music but develop it and transform further constantly pushing the envelope and boundary of what was originally intended.

Keep in mind music no longer just an artistic form of expression, It has transcended well beyond that. As it depicts a whole new level which is not just heard but felt and seen by the entire generations and crowds we choose to entertain.

I once said: "If Serato gave birth to Video for ITCH in addition to effects before 2012 then I would be able to rest happy even though I may have died of the shock brought on by such development." -DJ Esco
DJ.Tyme 6:52 PM - 30 August, 2011
I just luv em both VDJ & itch :-) they both serve me well in different situations.
k_one 11:30 PM - 30 August, 2011
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I just luv em both VDJ & itch :-) they both serve me well in different situations.
+1
DJ Demolition 1:49 AM - 31 August, 2011
Esco, how long have you been a registered Atomix customer?
DJ_Esco 6:05 PM - 31 August, 2011
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Esco, how long have you been a registered Atomix customer?


@DJ Demolition
I dont know I would have to see if there is a way I check.
let me see.... (checking online)........ looks like it only tells me my last login (feeling bummed out now).

Why?
kraal 6:15 PM - 31 August, 2011
dj_esco check your messages or early blog and you can get an idea of a date
DJ Demolition 1:19 AM - 1 September, 2011
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Why?


Well, seems that a lot of people here consider themselves to be pretty knowledgeable concerning Atomix and their products. However I get the feeling that most are relative newcomers.

When I bought my license, the software had only been on the market for 3 - 4 months. That was over ten years ago, if I recall correctly. I've formed my opinions based on my experiences with it and them, over that considerable length of time.

Did you know that the designer's original goal was one of producing a "Virtual DJ Jukebox" that would automate the job 100%, and thereby eliminate DJs like you and I, altogether..? ( ! )

Hence, the name: "Virtual" DJ...
kraal 1:39 AM - 1 September, 2011
does any of that matter..... it is about what you can do with it now...... thats like saying i dont like traktor cause of my issues with finalscratch
DJ Demolition 2:05 AM - 1 September, 2011
Yeah... I think it matters. It definitely matters to me, at least...
But, you will have to make your own decisions.
Maskrider 3:22 AM - 1 September, 2011
In a way it is coz your hesitant to trust it again....If you got issues.
DJ_Esco 4:41 AM - 1 September, 2011
@DJ Demolition

I read VDj can support 99 connected USB devices.
I often ask my self "Who in the F*ck wants to use 99 USB devices simultaneously, Who does this Sh*t??? LMAO <---- I was being sarcastic.

I understand that you emotionally scared (my deepest sincerest sympathies on this) I would be afraid too of anyone who wants to profit on severing the heads of DJs globally by replacing paid able bodies with one "ultimate retail box solution". But at the same token would we hate on any companies which fall responsible for the decrease and end of the legendary (and now truly unicorn/big foot/ufo legendary) Technics turntables minimized to the point where they are no longer being manufactured and however were once deemed the industry standard for any professional DJ.

In my eyes Companies like Serato, Virtual DJ and Traktor are the Killers who brought fourth the demise in a power packed subliminal punch the death of the "Pancake flipping DJ" these are the old school DJs which use real vinyl records (yes not even time coded acetate or vinyl B side pressings).

But keep in mind in retrospect that many of these dinosaurs (and many who followed them even in our day) returned to the scene using only a quad or pair of time coded pressings in the form of CDs, DVDs, or Vinyl and then replaced the weight of hundreds of vinyl records and the dozens of milk crates they would tote around from gig to gig with a lighter and more portable solution not only capable of storing thousands of albums and countless of hours of recordings but also with the capability of obtaining them with little or no efforts and yet remaining extremely portable (laptop).

Another words what I am trying to say there is good and bad in everything it al depends who you are talking to.

But then again it is as one of my favorite old wise sayings of all time which goes:
"Opinions are like ass holes... Everyone has one."
It just goes to prove that there really is a necessary evil out there. (the same one which drives people to form businesses and corporations which manufacture and sell things to all kinds of people in oder to make money some of it being crap and some of it actually beneficial in some form or another but in the end its all based on one common thread which is the desire to make a buck or two and perhaps even a name for themselves in doing so)



Gentlemen and Ladies (and things in between) Pick your Poison or any combination thereof.
and in the end before the light turns off thank them for all they do for us and those who have truely established themselves in this industry.

- DJ Esco



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Further my Ramblings and Side notes:

By the way is it me or did Serato improve the Hi-Fi ReSampler in both ITCH's and SSL's the latest public release versions? Sound is flippin' Awesome!
Thanks Serato.

BTW I also noticed Macs are no longer doing the "under water sound" when using moving platters on the NS7 and running with the Pro update from VDJ.

I love the smell of progress in the morning...............
DJ.Tyme 5:57 AM - 1 September, 2011
replaced the weight of hundreds of vinyl records and the dozens of milk crates they would tote around from gig to gig with a lighter and more portable solution not only capable of storing thousands of albums and countless of hours of recordings but also with the capability of obtaining them with little or no efforts and yet remaining extremely portable (laptop). Now That's What's Up. I'm One Of Those (Dinosaurs) :-) And Yup 2 Be Honest I Wouldn't Even Think About Going Back 2 Lugging Around A Big Azz Koffin, 2 Heavy Azz Turntables, And 5-6 Milk Krates !!! Not 4 The Type Of DJing I Do. It Just Wouldn't Make Since. I'll Stay With My NS7 And Laptop. (Running Itch & VDJ Of Koarse)
DJ Cs 5:02 PM - 4 September, 2011
I Wouldn't Even Think About Going Back 2 Lugging Around A Big Azz Koffin, 2 Heavy Azz Turntables, And 5-6 Milk Krates !!! Not 4 The Type Of DJing I Do. It Just Wouldn't Make Since. I'll Stay With My NS7 And Laptop. (Running Itch & VDJ Of Koarse)


What do you take your NS7 around in? Just asking because i used to have that incredible controller but had to still carry it in a big coffin (flight case). I now have the V7`s and a DDM4000, still in a coffin.
DJ Demolition 6:11 PM - 4 September, 2011
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replaced the weight of hundreds of vinyl records and the dozens of milk crates they would tote around from gig to gig with a lighter and more portable solution not only capable of storing thousands of albums and countless of hours of recordings but also with the capability of obtaining them with little or no efforts and yet remaining extremely portable (laptop). Now That's What's Up. [....]


Yes, it's much, much easier now. But that is not necessarily a good thing for us.

Use to be, that becoming a DJ required apprenticeship. Unless you had a whole lot of extra money to buy your own professional equipment, you had to learn on someone else's, and come up through the ranks.

Now, anyone can acquire the whole setup, players, music, and all, for under 300 bucks. A ten year old can raise that much cash in a month, mowing grass. Not only has the price level dropped ten fold (at minimum), but also the skill level. The new Chinese mp3 players have copied most VDJ auto functions, and it's all built in. In another couple of years no one will be carrying laptops or worrying about third party software. It'll be included in the player/controller package.

This is affecting us in two very important ways. No.1, the number of would-be DJs is increasing exponentially. No.2, Availability and price always vary on an inverse scale. i.e.; "familiarity breeds contempt". Need I say more..?

When I first began using VDJ, it was like a secret weapon for me. I programmed it to do what I wanted, and then programmed my own GUI. I built my own (very nice) controller/interface with the physical controls overlaying the monitors. Wow, now I'm a superstar DJ, right..? No one in the US had ever heard of VDJ, and I just said I wrote my own program when anyone asked about it. It gave me an killer advantage over most other DJs.

But.., those days are gone. :-( They'll be selling plastic VDJ software/controller combos in the toy department at K-mart by this time next year, probably. I'm just grateful that I don't have to depend on that line of work to make a living...
DJ Demolition 6:13 PM - 4 September, 2011
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What do you take your NS7 around in? Just asking because i used to have that incredible controller but had to still carry it in a big coffin (flight case). I now have the V7`s and a DDM4000, still in a coffin.


How are you liking your Behringer mixer?
DJ.Tyme 8:21 PM - 4 September, 2011
at Dj Cs = www.odysseygear.com
Ragman 11:17 PM - 4 September, 2011
Tyme that is a f**kn" wicked case.
Papa Midnight 3:54 AM - 5 September, 2011
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at Dj Cs = www.odysseygear.com

HA! I have the EXACT same case :D
The thing is a tank (All 50+ pounds of it... without anything in it).
I actually keep an LED lighting strip in it and a surge-protected power-strip mounted at the rear of the case.
DJ.Tyme 6:09 AM - 5 September, 2011
Yeah I've Macgyvered Mines Also.
DJ Cs 7:58 AM - 5 September, 2011
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What do you take your NS7 around in? Just asking because i used to have that incredible controller but had to still carry it in a big coffin (flight case). I now have the V7`s and a DDM4000, still in a coffin.


How are you liking your Behringer mixer?


The mixer is incredible. Almost too many features to comprehend. One thing i really like is the crossfader "x-over" mode. It allows you to assign a frequency range to a channel that is faded out while fading in that same frequency on the opposite side.

Basically, when all the way to the left it plays the full frquency of channel A but when fading to the right it fades out bass on A channel while fading in bass on B channel until youre at full frequency of B channel.

Great sound,sampler, BPM displays, midi mappable, can emulate the rane mixers with software, complete eq kills, awesome effects ( applied to any of four channels as well as mic).

Did i say i really like this mixer?
DJ Cs 8:00 AM - 5 September, 2011
By the way, replaced the crossfader with an optical crossfader.
Ragman 3:45 PM - 5 September, 2011
Cs how is that optical x-fader for scratching? Can it be configured with a nice sharp cut in?
kraal 4:39 PM - 5 September, 2011
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But.., those days are gone. :-( They'll be selling plastic VDJ software/controller combos in the toy department at K-mart by this time next year, probably. I'm just grateful that I don't have to depend on that line of work to make a living...

dont be too scared they have been selling cheap guitars and drum sets in toystores for decades --- keyboards too.
DJ Demolition 10:22 PM - 5 September, 2011
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The mixer is incredible. Almost too many features to comprehend. One thing i really like is the crossfader "x-over" mode. It allows you to assign a frequency range to a channel that is faded out while fading in that same frequency on the opposite side.


You know I forgot that it would do that...! Now I'm going to have to dig out the manual, and see how to set that up.

You're right, they are very good mixers, especially for the price. I could actually have bought anything I wanted, but I chose the DDM also, based on the features, and the good reviews I was getting from other DJs.

There are things I would change about it if I could though. Top three: The sampler is redundant and totally useless to me. I would rather utilize that space for something more practical. The setup panel is counter-intuitive,.. I hate having to think everytime I want to change a setting. Another thing that I really dislike is (something a lot of DJs love) that the faders are so loose... I'm not a scratch artist, and I like to have at least a small amount of damping in my faders. If they move too easily, that's a problem for me.

But yeah, as you say,.. It's a great mixer overall. I certainly received my money's worth, and more. You can actually run VDJ with this mixer alone. No other hardware needed.
DJ Demolition 10:29 PM - 5 September, 2011
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dont be too scared they have been selling cheap guitars and drum sets in toystores for decades --- keyboards too.


Can't argue that point.., but bear in mind that not just anyone can play a guitar... "Anyone *can* play records".., or at least that's what the club mangers used to argue when I was quoting my prices.
DJ Cs 9:16 PM - 6 September, 2011
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Cs how is that optical x-fader for scratching? Can it be configured with a nice sharp cut in?


Yes, used for scratching. The standard crossfader is garbage for that purpose. Yes, the curve can be set to immediate to anything in between.
DJ Cs 9:20 PM - 6 September, 2011
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There are things I would change about it if I could though. Top three: The sampler is redundant and totally useless to me. I would rather utilize that space for something more practical. The setup panel is counter-intuitive,.. I hate having to think everytime I want to change a setting. Another thing that I really dislike is (something a lot of DJs love) that the faders are so loose... I'm not a scratch artist, and I like to have at least a small amount of damping in my faders. If they move too easily, that's a problem for me.

But yeah, as you say,.. It's a great mixer overall. I certainly received my money's worth, and more. You can actually run VDJ with this mixer alone. No other hardware needed.


Yes, agree with you on the Sampler (it works...well, but could have been implemented better. The setup is almost a nightmare. Soooo many clicks to get into what you're looking for at times. Even things like effects. However, once you're used to it...nothing NEAR the price can challenge this mixer.
Ragman 12:59 AM - 7 September, 2011
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Cs how is that optical x-fader for scratching? Can it be configured with a nice sharp cut in?


Yes, used for scratching. The standard crossfader is garbage for that purpose. Yes, the curve can be set to immediate to anything in between.

Thanks man... ;-)
VJ Storm 6:46 PM - 9 September, 2011
dj esco
i saw your incredible performance last night and i have to say as tech as you are companies should be in line taking notes from you.

i hate to say this i thought you were going to be an ass but your personality is equally as great as your talents. i appreciate the time and help you gave me even after your performance.

thank you!

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in all honesty. Is someone paying you Esco?

i dont think there is enough money out there for his knowledge and resources.
DJ.Tyme 6:00 PM - 11 September, 2011
Yeah Buddy !!!! Just Did A 9Hour Wedding. Saturday Using My NS7 And Itch Ver 2.0.1 (20102) Not One Single Problem All Night.
DJ Demolition 5:36 PM - 9 October, 2011
One thing I definitely like better about VDJ is the unlimited cue points. I really miss that feature, and usually average setting around ten cue points per track. Limited to the current five in ITCH, I fell like I'm mixing with one hand tied back. It doesn't appear as if they have any intention of rectifying that situation in the near future, either.

...just a thought, ...is anyone here slick enough to hack into ITCH, and make provisions for extra cue-points..?
kraal 5:37 PM - 9 October, 2011
what do you do with 10 cue points.... just curious
Papa Midnight 6:06 PM - 9 October, 2011
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what do you do with 10 cue points.... just curious

To be honest, I use Cuepoints to set points in songs so I can get to them fast, i.e.: Intro's, cuts, breaks, builds, drops, etc. While 10 cue points is a bit more than I could use, the 8 that ITCH supports wouldn't hurt... But I get by with 5(+1 when using the cue button properly).
DJ Demolition 1:08 AM - 10 October, 2011
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what do you do with 10 cue points.... just curious


I like to remix on the fly, but there are a dozen other good reasons. For instance, there are usually about three good intro points at the start of a track. Depnding on what you are mixing into, and the style of the mix, you may need any one of the three. And, having thousands of tracks on tap, I like to have all that pre marked so that I don't have to remember. Ditto for the end. Then too, it's good to be able to jump around in the track. If for no other reason than to be able to stretch the track, or in the event that you guessed the crowd wrong, you can jump naturally to a point toward the end, and mix out without missing a beat. (no pun intended...)

Midnight,.. did I hear you say that ITCH supports eight cues? If so, I wasn't aware. I'll have to look into that... If so, I'll just build me a little MIDI keyboard emulator, and that alone will be like a godsend to me.
Papa Midnight 1:21 AM - 10 October, 2011
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Midnight,.. did I hear you say that ITCH supports eight cues? If so, I wasn't aware. I'll have to look into that... If so, I'll just build me a little MIDI keyboard emulator, and that alone will be like a godsend to me.

You can set up to 8 cue points on a song. Damned if I can figure out how to trigger the other 3, though.
DJ Demolition 2:56 AM - 10 October, 2011
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Damned if I can figure out how to trigger the other 3, though.


Ha-ha yeah, ...makes you wonder what those programmers are smokin'..? I just finished investigating that myself.......

Wish I knew what I could do to get them on the ball. Surely there is someone on this forum with enough skill to get into the software and make a few needed adjustments.
Kmxorbit 11:20 AM - 10 October, 2011
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what do you do with 10 cue points.... just curious

The more cue points I have, the more I start to use them for on the fly remixing of songs...
datensurfer 1:27 PM - 10 October, 2011
virtual dj and traktor support the xone 4d, all serato software not, that's very bad from serato! :-(
Paco71 2:37 PM - 10 October, 2011
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virtual dj and traktor support the xone 4d, all serato software not, that's very bad from serato! :-(



Mmmm what about the midi mapping of SSL ?
DJ Demolition 8:14 PM - 15 October, 2011
Well, back to the subject matter; I'm personally not satisfied with either brand of software.

If you listen to their hype, they both claim to be perfect, and the hottest thing on the market since blond chicks. However, in actual practice both have serious defects, and are not reliable in live performance. The more I use ITCH, the more I find to complain about.

For instance, now that I have all my loops setup permanently, which is a great feature if it worked properly BTW. I find that sometimes they work, and then sometimes they don't...

It happens like this: I turn on my loop, and it turns bright green, etc. Then when the loop comes up and I cue my next track in, everything is going great until the looped track just keeps on rolling right through the loop, and since I'm not watching the actual loop at that point, I'm left wondering what the heck just happened to my mix...? Then I finally notice (too late) that the old track has come out of loop.

Sometimes it will even run the loop once or twice, and then it will drop it. But since it works right most of the time, I never know when to expect it.

I'm not totally happy with my V7s either. When I hit the cue button to stop the track and return to cue, one of them would oscillate back and forth, and end up out of cue by as much as half a beat. This caused me a lot of aggravation, having to correct the cue point every time. So I (tried to) complained to Numark. Well, Numark owners.., good luck if you ever need service or technical support... After trying various ways to get in touch (for three months), finally one of the reps here on this site answered and said that if it was a problem for me, I could just turn of the motor! ( That discussion may be found here: serato.com )

Well if you have these, you know that turning the motor off changes other perimeters, and certainly doesn't solve the problem, at all. In he first place, we didn't buy these high dollar moving platter controllers, just so we could turn off the platters and not use them. That would be like having a problem with the climate control on your new Cadillac, and the GM service rep tells you; "Oh, if it's a problem for you, you can just roll down the windows..."

Anyway, I gave up on waiting, and I took my controllers apart and made some serious hardware modifications. No thanks to Numark, but I'm happy with the results. While I was in there though, I started thinking. There's really not that much to those things, and since I'm not satisfied with the current market offerings, I may just build my own. Lol, that way if I'm not satisfied with the results, I can only blame myself.
kraal 12:24 AM - 16 October, 2011
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Well, back to the subject matter; I'm personally not satisfied with either brand of software.

If you listen to their hype, they both claim to be perfect, and the hottest thing on the market since blond chicks. However, in actual practice both have serious defects, and are not reliable in live performance. .

stopped reading after this line since i have and know lots of people who have used both softwares for years in live performance
Julynessi 1:03 AM - 16 October, 2011
Discussion of the year!
DJ Demolition 4:55 AM - 16 October, 2011
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stopped reading after this line since i have and know lots of people who have used both softwares for years in live performance


Aw, that really hurts, as I had so hoped for your approval. Guess I shouldn't have read that before going to bed, 'cause now I won't be able to sleep... But seriously.., everyone knows you *did* read it all, lol.

I've been watching your posts, and couldn't help noticing that you're a real fanboy, and that you tend to lay back and snipe at others at your leisure. You say you know lots of people who use ITCH and VDJ professionally without ever having the slightest hiccup... Wow, I'll bet you've never even heard any one else complain , right..? Hmm, you sound a lot like those Numark reps.

Judging from what I've heard so far, I'd be surprised if I were to find out that you had ever personally performed a live gig. But one thing I am sure of, is that you don't own a V7 or NS7. Because if you did, and if you used them professionally, you'd be having problems too. If that were the case, you'd obviously be displaying a lot more sympathy and understanding toward others with similar issues.
kraal 8:32 AM - 16 October, 2011
you have no idea what i do... and what i own lets just say that ... what i dismissed was the 'not reliable for live performance.' if you actually read my post you would see i address a lot of 'issues' but i have hiccups with turntables at time to time but would never say they are not reliable for live performance.
DJFLUKE 4:57 PM - 16 October, 2011
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stopped reading after this line since i have and know lots of people who have used both softwares for years in live performance


Aw, that really hurts, as I had so hoped for your approval. Guess I shouldn't have read that before going to bed, 'cause now I won't be able to sleep... But seriously.., everyone knows you *did* read it all, lol.

I've been watching your posts, and couldn't help noticing that you're a real fanboy, and that you tend to lay back and snipe at others at your leisure. You say you know lots of people who use ITCH and VDJ professionally without ever having the slightest hiccup... Wow, I'll bet you've never even heard any one else complain , right..? Hmm, you sound a lot like those Numark reps.

Judging from what I've heard so far, I'd be surprised if I were to find out that you had ever personally performed a live gig. But one thing I am sure of, is that you don't own a V7 or NS7. Because if you did, and if you used them professionally, you'd be having problems too. If that were the case, you'd obviously be displaying a lot more sympathy and understanding toward others with similar issues.


ive used the ns7 atover 100 shows with no issues. Its clearly an issue on your side. Be simple if it dosent work for you sell it!!!! No one is forcing you....im sure you just like to nag.
Ragman 6:13 PM - 16 October, 2011
2 years pro use of the NS7 + 1 year pro use of the V7 and no problems (once I invested in MBPs). I did have problems in the first 2 months with the NS7 when I used it with a Gateway highend laptop.
DjWill 7:05 PM - 16 October, 2011
I still love my NS7 with the Itch software, mainly because the platter response is on point. I use virtual dj because of its video feature, but the platter response isn't that great. Both are excellent programs, but i can't wait for the SL-video to be make compatible with the itch.
Papa Midnight 8:03 PM - 16 October, 2011
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Gateway highend laptop.

Gateways had a history of absolute crap South-Bridges and even worse USB Host Controllers. I'm not sure what things are like these days with the I-series ones wherein the southbridge is integrated onto the processor, but I wouldn't doubt that they're still using the same poor USB Host Controller to cut cost - knowing Gateway.
Ragman 9:00 PM - 16 October, 2011
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Gateway highend laptop.

Gateways had a history of absolute crap South-Bridges and even worse USB Host Controllers. I'm not sure what things are like these days with the I-series ones wherein the southbridge is integrated onto the processor, but I wouldn't doubt that they're still using the same poor USB Host Controller to cut cost - knowing Gateway.

Yes. I definitely found this out the hard way.
DJ Demolition 1:25 AM - 17 October, 2011
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you have no idea what i do... and what i own lets just say that ...


Okay, fine... Do you, or do you not, own one of these 7 series motorized platter controllers?

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what i dismissed was the 'not reliable for live performance.' if you actually read my post you would see i address a lot of 'issues' but i have hiccups with turntables at time to time but would never say they are not reliable for live performance.


Neither the software, nor the hardware works properly or consistently. It is not reliable, *especially* for live performance. If the user never actually puts them to the test, he might get by okay, but I push my equipment to the limit. How else are you going to show off your ability?

When you hammer these, they will fail you. I was at Guitar Center in Atlanta, mixing on their NS-7 which is running on a top spec, Mac tower. After about 15 minutes it started hanging and acting erratically. Just for fun, I grabbed both 45s and spun them backwards, and the Mac locked up and had to be rebooted... Sorry, that's not my idea of reliability.
DJ Demolition 1:47 AM - 17 October, 2011
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ive used the ns7 atover 100 shows with no issues. Its clearly an issue on your side. Be simple if it dosent work for you sell it!!!! No one is forcing you....im sure you just like to nag.


Okay, mister 'know-it-all'. If your DJ skills aren't somewhat better than your spelling and punctuation, I doubt you'd know the difference. It wouldn't hurt if you could learn to trim your quotes, either. No one wants to see the same ten paragraphs posted over and over...

At any rate, regarding my complaints; All I want is a reliable tool that I can depend on to get the job done. You may not be smart enough personally to see it, but these companies are playing us for suckers.

There are plenty of other dissatisfied owners right here on this board, as well as many others who haven't spoken here. Just search the forum for "NS-7" and/or "V7" + "problem". Then, in the morning, after you've been reading all night, tell me again about my "nagging".
DJFLUKE 2:21 AM - 17 October, 2011
regardless no one is forcing you and all the "other" dissatisfied users to use their product. Man people just bitch for the fuck of it.

ima go buy a ford even tho i know its un reliable. or my chevy is breaking down instead of selling it and buying a hyundai im gonna bitch.

Grow up!!!! Make a decision and move on. This goes to everyone. you think all issues are itch??? Your crappy under speced or full of malware pcs have nothing to do with your issues???

Crazy...
DJFLUKE 2:26 AM - 17 October, 2011
btw im a pc user and have had nooooooo issues. Used vdj prior to itch for 3 years with zero flaws. Im also experienced with pcs but i use the pc for business not browsing. You would be surprised how well shit runs when maintained.
DJ.Tyme 2:31 AM - 17 October, 2011
DJFLUKE =
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btw im a pc user and have had nooooooo issues. Used vdj prior to itch for 3 years with zero flaws. Im also experienced with pcs but i use the pc for business not browsing. You would be surprised how well shit runs when maintained.
+1 i tell my DJ frenz stop using their laptop for (everything) and they will have less problems krashing. i turn on my laptop to practice at home & to DJ. hell i only have serato itch & VDJ installed. nothing else.i do everything on my pc & then transfer it to the lappy ;-)
kraal 2:58 AM - 17 October, 2011
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Okay, fine... Do you, or do you not, own one of these 7 series motorized platter controllers?

yes
Papa Midnight 8:19 AM - 17 October, 2011
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When you hammer these, they will fail you. I was at Guitar Center in Atlanta, mixing on their NS-7 which is running on a top spec, Mac tower. After about 15 minutes it started hanging and acting erratically. Just for fun, I grabbed both 45s and spun them backwards, and the Mac locked up and had to be rebooted... Sorry, that's not my idea of reliability.

REALLY?! A Mac failed and had to be rebooted?! You don't say...
Here I was being utterly convinced by people that Apple PC's (I said it) were perfect little machines running Mac OS X, the greatest OS of all time, that NEVER fail and are perfect for Serato ITCH. No device running on a Mac OS based system should EVER have a problem...

</sarcasm>

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Neither the software, nor the hardware works properly or consistently. It is not reliable, *especially* for live performance. If the user never actually puts them to the test, he might get by okay, but I push my equipment to the limit. How else are you going to show off your ability?


I beg to differ. I push my NS7 to the limit each and every single time it gets used. Hell, I've used it in cold (below 32°F (0°C)) and in heat under direct sunlight - both outdoor events; and there's no way you're going to convince me that the Doctor himself, DJ Cerla, doesn't take these devices to the limit. Hell, it was he who figured out 2+1 deck transitions with the NS7+NSFX (Watchwww.youtube.com) before we even had the SP-6. I've called the NS7 and V7's tanks before. I'm sticking to that assessment. He's also called the V7's some of the most reliable equipment he's ever used. But, you know... The Numark --7 series just ain't reliable....
cerrie 12:54 PM - 19 October, 2011
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Make it possible to view the wave form like VDJ, So you can zoom in and see the whole track on the big wave form. Mine looks a liitle "fat" and "fluffy" in comparison to VDJ wave form.

Thanks ;O)
cerrie 12:56 PM - 19 October, 2011
Also my 2 cents: i find VDJ beat matches better :O( tho i am loving Itch, just takes some tome time to get used to..
DJ_Esco 5:45 PM - 19 October, 2011
@ Cerrie you can zoom in and out of the wave form as you also can zoom in and out of the text sizes. Simply use the + or - keys
Hope this helps.


With all the crap people load on their systems both hardware and software (or variables) this always makes room for the introduction of problems. As the mature and experienced individuals of this forum will agree in the fact that there is no such thing as "perfect software" and no matter how well designed or tested there will always be variables introduced by the end user. If this were untrue then there would be no need to implement technical support structures in place.

Despite any flaws we may find in any keep in mind the end result and fact remains the same. A DJ is only as good as his knowledge, familiarity and skill he or she possesses with any equipment he or she may choose to utilize along with recognizing the margin of error involved.

As far as the bashing I think its well beyond the point of ridiculous.
It would would be different if the intent was to improve or better versus be deconstructive ignorant and immature for lack of better terms or reasoning.

If you are up for a challenge: Show me a perfect piece of software or a perfect piece of hardware (without any fault or error) which completely suits the needs of all without any further requests or suggestion for the expansion, improvement, feature or enhancement and I will personally deliver you a cookie!


It is certain The one thing that is becoming more obvious as this thread proceeds is the fact that the phrase: "mature individual" is not necessarily one to be based on the age, but instead the level of respect and effective level of communication one demonstrates to ones peers, colleagues, or cohorts (no pun intended but just felt I should mention this)
DJ Demolition 2:18 AM - 20 October, 2011
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I beg to differ. I push my NS7 to the limit each and every single time it gets used. Hell, I've used it in cold (below 32°F (0°C)) and in heat under direct sunlight - both outdoor events; and there's no way you're going to convince me that the Doctor himself, DJ Cerla, doesn't take these devices to the limit. Hell, it was he who figured out 2+1 deck transitions with the NS7+NSFX (Watchwww.youtube.com ) before we even had the SP-6. I've called the NS7 and V7's tanks before. I'm sticking to that assessment. He's also called the V7's some of the most reliable equipment he's ever used. But, you know... The Numark --7 series just ain't reliable....


Lol... You boys are such devoted worshipers,.. such eager defenders,.. that you hear constructive criticism, then automatically mistake that for sacrilege. Other fine individuals have historically been crucified for the same alleged crime, so I'm in good company at least.

When I said it wasn't "reliable", I didn't mean that the knobs break off, or the motor heats up and quits... I mean, you can't rely on them to return to the exact cue position each time. That sort of erratic behavior makes them "un-reliable". Of course, I fixed that particular issue on mine, but they have another thing that aggravates me even more-so.

Sometimes (usually at the most inopportune moment) when I hit play, all I get is a momentary on,.. and then it's right back to pause. Obviously, this can totally screw up an otherwise good mix, and with my style of mixing it's a big issue. If you just used the controller like a conventional turntable, it might not be that critical. But for me, it is a big deal...

As far as you saying that your "Doctor" friend is pushing his controllers so hard,.. I don't get what you're saying . Please pardon me if I missed something , but all I saw him doing in the clip, was mix into, and out of, a loop... So,.. he likes to experiment... that's a little different from what I've been talking about.

I tried to get my V7s to do that same thing when I first got them, and again, after watching the video. However, unless you know something that I don't , the built-in V7 effects can't be tricked that easily. - 'course with them, I don't really need to do that sort of thing anyway. Considering that I have a midi sampler built in to my mixer, as well as a better external FX unit on the effects send.

I've known about the little Easter-egg for a while. But there are other hidden tricks in the software, as well. Just play around with different combinations of control keys, and eventually you may surprise yourself.
Papa Midnight 3:23 AM - 20 October, 2011
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Lol... You boys are such devoted worshipers,.. such eager defenders,.. that you hear constructive criticism, then automatically mistake that for sacrilege. Other fine individuals have historically been crucified for the same alleged crime, so I'm in good company at least.


Tu quoque is in full effect, it would seem. I'm admittedly amused.
DJ Demolition 4:10 AM - 20 October, 2011
That's some pretty obscure terminology there, Midnight... I know the meaning, but normally Latin is outside my vocabulary. Where'd you come up with that?

This is off topic, but I probably should mention that I checked out your playlists. Seems you are a big Tiesto fan. For some reason, I hear a lot of DJs talking him down. But personally, I like his style of music. If a track doesn't carry good melody, energy, or at least a fair amount of genius, I have no patience for it. I think much of his work has good energy and "flow", for want of a better term...
R-A-C 2:13 PM - 20 October, 2011
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ITCH Vs Virtual DJ - which do you prefer?

ITCH. it's clean, straight and sounds fantastic :-)
VJ Storm 5:23 AM - 21 October, 2011
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DJ Demolition says That's some pretty obscure terminology there, Midnight... I know the meaning (after googling it), normally Latin is outside my vocabulary. Where'd you come up with that?

This is off topic, but I probably should mention (I am such a prolific stalker) that I checked out your playlists. Seems you are a big Tiesto fan.Me too, Can I bee your friend of BFF???? For some reason, I hear a lot of DJs talking him down. But personally I like to do the opposite just to whine up a crowd so I say I like his style of music and I have made a shrine for him in my very own bedroom...and fantasize



@DJ Demolition
Struit insidias lacrimis cum femina plorat
Stop crying......Please

My condolences to you and your members of your family as I am terribly sorry you experienced so many life changing, permanently disabling, detrimental issues and vast problems which have affected you in epic biblical proportions.

I understand why you must rant and rave (repeatedly over and over and over like a droning broken record)

We get it, you have issues and you are pissed off, you want to reply to everyone voicing your opinions and feelings and use every ounce of your final years of life in doing so. WTG now STFU so we can move on to bigger greater things other than the peanut gallery style cut downs and comments being made.
iCandy 7:51 PM - 22 October, 2011
With this being in the Serato Forums, no doubt ITCH will win here.
Try doing this in the VDJ forums and surely VDJ will win there.
=P
cerrie 3:33 PM - 23 October, 2011
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@ Cerrie you can zoom in and out of the wave form as you also can zoom in and out of the text sizes. Simply use the + or - keys
Hope this helps.


Thanks :O) Also holding shift and double clicking the wave made it smaller. Perfect !
DJ Demolition 6:36 PM - 23 October, 2011
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DJ Demolition says That's some pretty obscure terminology there, Midnight... I know the meaning (after googling it), normally Latin is outside my vocabulary. Where'd you come up with that?

This is off topic, but I probably should mention (I am such a prolific stalker) that I checked out your playlists. Seems you are a big Tiesto fan.Me too, Can I bee your friend of BFF???? For some reason, I hear a lot of DJs talking him down. But personally I like to do the opposite just to whine up a crowd so I say I like his style of music and I have made a shrine for him in my very own bedroom...and fantasize



@DJ Demolition
Struit insidias lacrimis cum femina plorat
Stop crying......Please

My condolences to you and your members of your family as I am terribly sorry you experienced so many life changing, permanently disabling, detrimental issues and vast problems which have affected you in epic biblical proportions.

I understand why you must rant and rave (repeatedly over and over and over like a droning broken record)

We get it, you have issues and you are pissed off, you want to reply to everyone voicing your opinions and feelings and use every ounce of your final years of life in doing so. WTG now STFU so we can move on to bigger greater things other than the peanut gallery style cut downs and comments being made.


Ah, well... What have we here..?

So, you saw someone else using some big words, and thought you'd try a stab at it yourself... I would say "nice try", but, LOL, you'd probably take that as a compliment.

It's easy to spot an amateur. As they believe they can make a bigger impression through childish pranks such as altering their opponents quotes, and/or by Quixotically piling on ever more grandiose adjectives, one after the other.

The question in my mind is not 'whether or not you are a fool'.. That is quite plain. But rather; *who is* this big mouth... I thought I'd do a little research toward that end, and found that the real question is simply; "who are you"..? Period.

No name, no picture, no address, ...nothing... So, what, where, and why, are you hiding..? It's easy to talk trash, when you can hide behind anonymity.

However, a simple search for your pseudonym here on this forum, immediately turned up these gems:

--- You attacking someone who was arguing with esco, in your typical juvenile/Facebook style:
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lmao i was actually talking to someone you know today they said 'you like to talk out your ass all of the time and bitch and moan about everything in general with the tendency to blame others and exaggerate to cover your own frequent fu*k ups' ...

--- Quoting and praising:
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"Show me the skill and talent though your works and I myself through the same light will define by definition who you are" ... esco r u not the one who wrote the code for the ns7 vdj and created the midi mapper too making video possible on the ns7 ...

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kmxorbit no dis but i think u missed the hidden message in the quote he gave u b.k.a. token +1 esco wtg pm

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+1 Right on Esco!!!!!! AMEN!!! >>>>>>>>>>> +10000000000

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Clearly Esco is talking on facts while this guy djchad72 is going by his feminine emotions + ...

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dj esco i saw your incredible performance last night and i have to say as tech as you are companies should be in line taking notes from you.
i hate to say this i thought you were going to be an ass but your personality is equally as great as your talents. i appreciate the time and help you gave me even after your performance.
thank you! [...]
i dont think there is enough money out there for his knowledge and resources.


--- And here's (just) one example of esco taking up your slack:
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... ya. Indeed and like wise. In addition I did like how he avoided the Serato statement made by VJ Storm.(etc.)


So, whoever you are, you just suddenly appear, tag teaming with esco.., mouthing off at others in his defense only, and/or praising him. And yeah, I get the little not-so-subtle hints pertaining to the "craft" also. Funny that you two seem to have so much in common... All this taken together, forces me to think that you may simply be esco's phantom alter ego. LOL, If not, then you certainly are without a doubt, his little groupie lapdog. And, ...you dare to accuse *me* of sucking up..?

I only found your posts on two threads, and interestingly, only where esco had a beef with someone(s) that he couldn't bring around to his point of view via his normal overly diplomatic style. All the above are excerpted from this same thread you are now reading. Note that the quotes below are from the other (esco's video petition) thread, and once again, support esco's agenda:
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the following is directed to serato: keep in mind on the behalf of all in this forum i am demanding an answer from SERATO. we keep getting comments, vague indirect hints and open ended responses its time that we get a clear solid answer both deserved ...(etc, etc)

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by them not responding it just shows they don't give a a heap of monkey shit about us wanting video. point proven........................ wtf???

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still no response from serato. ->weak-sauce

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i purchased an item based on what it was supposed to do and payed with the faith it would do what they claimed pardon me for sounding pissed off but i did not know businesses are now in the business of selling boxes illusions combined with empty promises.

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fuck serato !


--- ...and esco feigning surprise..?
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OMG I just read some of the posted messages. VJ Storm + Others Chill out. As much as I would like to kick companies in the nads to get them to implement features I would like to see they will not...


So yell at Serato all you like. I don't like their pompous attitude and lack of meaningful response, either. Obviously these issues will never be addressed, unless someone raises their voice. But.., ironically you presume to accuse *me* of crying..? !!! In fully 98% of your posts here, you are whining about something. May I suggest you take this opportunity to look in the mirror...

Whoever/whatever you are, it's really impossible for me to take you seriously. Note that I don't mean to be rude, but I hope you'll understand if I choose to simply ignore your ignorant remarks, from this point forward.
Kmxorbit 6:29 AM - 24 October, 2011
I understand what you try to say here. Still I feel you get emotionally involved.
That's why I stopped reacting on this topic. I read this forum to share knowledge and facts between the other colleagues about "Itch" as a product.
As soon as they start questioning me as a person, the conversation stops. I use facebook for that...
R-A-C 9:21 AM - 24 October, 2011
omg could we just get back to the topic ? you might wanna continue the flame wars in private :-P
ChrisD 9:30 PM - 24 October, 2011
Some of the comments in this thread are getting personal and therefore tedious and unwelcome.

Keep the discussion focused on something worthy of discussion or I'll lock this thread.

Thanks all.
DJ_Esco 4:07 AM - 27 October, 2011
Wow I have a stalker and a supporting fan all on the same page!!!!! : )
Wow Im scared! LOL

By the way I don't entirely agree with his point of views (VJ Storm). But everyone is subject to have an opinion and I can repect that.

I still like both Serato ITCH and VDJ each have good features not present in the other and both can be used quite well.
DJ Demolition 6:08 PM - 28 October, 2011
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I understand what you try to say here. Still I feel you get emotionally involved.
That's why I stopped reacting on this topic. I read this forum to share knowledge and facts between the other colleagues about "Itch" as a product.
As soon as they start questioning me as a person, the conversation stops. I use facebook for that...


You're right, Kmxorbit. At least, that's how the forums *should* be used.

I own and manage two private Yahoo groups, and I've been doing this since before there was an internet at all. Back then, you dialed up a "message board", and posted in the most primitive way imaginable. Point is, I'm well familiar with all the protocols and elements of proper discussion etiquette. ...as well as the herd vs dog pack instinct, dumb stunts, false bravado, attention addiction, and (for some) "God complex", that seems to proliferate unavoidably in an environment which provides such relative insulation and anonymity.

None of this surprises me anymore. And, other than them fueling my amusement, you are mistaken (with all due respect) if you feel that I am affected emotionally by the antics of others I don't know, and to which I consequently have no attachment. It's all business to me...

BTW, I haven't forgotten your interest in them, and here's an update regarding those button guards for my V7s; I'm in the process of machining them now. I don't currently have a lot of spare time, so it's probably going to be another two or three weeks before they are finished. After trying a couple of prototypes I am satisfied that the modification will offer a significant advantage when feeling around for the controls in the dark. I'll send you a drawing and pic when they are mounted.

Back to the topic; One area where VDJ really shines, is the capacity for unlimited cues. Still trying to figure out how to access those other three cue points in ITCH, that PM brought to my attention. Serato........?
DJ_Esco 9:28 AM - 29 October, 2011
@DJ Demolition sounds like you are advertising your own product(s)???


as iCandy stated:
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With this being in the Serato Forums, no doubt ITCH will win here.
Try doing this in the VDJ forums and surely VDJ will win there.
=P

I guess it depends where you are www.virtualdj.com

A good run down was provided by TechTools which kind of demonstrates each one of the makers lack something. You can read about it here: www.djtechtools.com
DJ Demolition 1:33 PM - 29 October, 2011
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@DJ Demolition sounds like you are advertising your own product(s)???

Esco, you have me wondering if you have any sort of life outside this forum... Serato has their own moderators for this sort of thing. However, in order to alleviate any suspicion you may have aroused, I will gladly explain: I am not selling anything here. Period.

I mentioned that I had an idea for a simple hardware modification that would improve my controller's useability somewhat. Kmxorbit related that he had been searching for a solution to the same problem, and expressed an interest in the drawings. Naturally, I wanted to comply, but at the time it was untested and only a picture in my mind, so I promised to get back with him.

There is no business arrangement between my self and anyone else here. Nor am I seeking or promoting any such thing. The drawing is not something that anyone would pay for anyway, as other people will have their own ideas about how these items should be designed and constructed, and most will probably think them unnecessary.

I hope this answers your question. If you want to appear useful and important, why don't you put your software skills to work, and help us figure out how to access those other three cue points?
DJ_Esco 9:17 AM - 2 November, 2011
DJ Demolition You remind me of the "Mosquito Hawk/Light bulb Complex" The thread being the lightbulb and you can build your own analogy/translation on the rest... LOL

No this is not the only thread I visit from time to time. I did ask why do I even waste my time in responding... the answer was quite simple the humor I find within your antics/tactics and responses. How it seems you have incredibly all the time in the world to carefully formulate your responses to everything.

In summery it seems like the dinosaur hates software and states it every given chance and opportune moment, combined with the lashing at anyone who is not supportive of his way of thinking or is not paralleled in the limitation(s) brought fourth on himself.

You made your point (one would think you would leave it as is) but you seem as to want everyone to be in a complete agreement with you (as if they can not have an opinion or preference of their own) Then you continue on and on for what ever reason as if you want everyone to feel your frustration(s).

I am certain if one were to dedicate the same amount of time into the craft of DJing one would be perhaps be far better at what one claims or self proclaims to be (or giving you a little more credibility as a DJ)

Keep in mind this is not an insult (Just an observation and theory).

BTW I still like both. Lets stop the cheesy Jedi mind tricks (which are getting no where), and solve real world issues instead of wasting peoples times.

Answer the thread's question and move on.
ITCH VS VIRTUAL DJ - WHICH DO YOU PREFER?
Maskrider 1:58 PM - 2 November, 2011
Esco don't feed the Trolls
kraal 3:14 PM - 2 November, 2011
esco stop wasting your time ... read dj demolitions bio he doesn't dj anymore hardly and here is how he got5 his name:
"I had trouble beat mixing,... a lot of trouble! One of the regular jocks said my mixes sounded like a train wreck, and he started calling me "DJ Crash" " -- from his bio-- his words
DJ_Esco 11:40 AM - 4 November, 2011
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Esco don't feed the Trolls

Then may the troll starve and wither away (so we may place time into better things...)
die hideous troll!!! die!
lol + smh

For example I wonder what new toys and surprises Atomix Productions (VDJ) and Serato (Scratch Live, ITCH and, Intro) combined with their alliances will bring to the table before X-Mas and before Mid Feb 2012. I think this will make the comparisons between the two additionally interesting.
DJ_AM 5:41 AM - 24 November, 2011
hi, can anyone help me out , i purchased the Pioneer DDJ-S1 & i tried to use itch but it keeps crashing , so i've purchased virtual DJ Pro 7.0.5 for Mac OS X but doesn't pick up the controller , but the controller works on the windows platform running Virtual DJ Pro 7.0.5 , really P...... off ,if anyone knows how to make the controller work on Virtual DJ Pro 7.0.5 for Mac OS X ,really would appreciate it
Papa Midnight 5:58 AM - 24 November, 2011
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hi, can anyone help me out , i purchased the Pioneer DDJ-S1 & i tried to use itch but it keeps crashing , so i've purchased virtual DJ Pro 7.0.5 for Mac OS X but doesn't pick up the controller , but the controller works on the windows platform running Virtual DJ Pro 7.0.5 , really P...... off ,if anyone knows how to make the controller work on Virtual DJ Pro 7.0.5 for Mac OS X ,really would appreciate it

First off, and completely off topic: Using the name DJ_AM is a really damn bold-faced move. REALLY BOLD. I can't even begin to stress how much brass someone would have to do that.

Secondly: Not knocking your purchase decision, but this is not the place to ask for such. It's really poor taste to ask for help configuring a competitor's product on their competitor's own website. You'll want to head over that-a-way to Atomix's website for help with that.
DJ_AM 6:18 AM - 24 November, 2011
well i like to say DJ PM ,it's no disrespect , i've been djing since 1989 & been using that name DJ AM , which is basically my initial 's & for the other side of virtual DJ , there's a lot of pioneer products that inconjuction with virtual DJ, so i thought it wouldn't be such an issue, but my apologises to you
Papa Midnight 6:28 AM - 24 November, 2011
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well i like to say DJ PM ,it's no disrespect , i've been djing since 1989 & been using that name DJ AM , which is basically my initial 's & for the other side of virtual DJ , there's a lot of pioneer products that inconjuction with virtual DJ, so i thought it wouldn't be such an issue, but my apologises to you

No need to apologise to me whatsoever. I was only trying to inform you of such regarding the VDJ thing. Though Pioneer does make products which work with other competing products, I doubt if you were to go to Traktor's website and ask them how to set up the DDJ to work with Virtual DJ that they would be very appreciative. That's all I was saying.

As for the name thing, I just thought it was humorous, that's all (you'll note the over-stressed statement above). Pay it no mind.
DJ_Esco 9:25 AM - 24 November, 2011
@ DJ_AM (with all due respect the 2nd Version)
Sorry I hope you don't feel we are bashing you or kicking you in the nads per say. Its just we take misrepresentation seriously especially that of fallen legends. (I guess its "a DJ Pride thing" for lack of better words) Also keep in mind Technical Support Questions should be respectfully posted in the product support section of that particular product (In this case on VDJ's website) This is why DJ PM responded the way he did (No pun intended)

To answer your question VDJ does support the DDJ-S1 as seen here: Watchwww.youtube.com However, you must install the original drivers and software provided with your unit (Itch Installation) and in addition you will be required to be a registered user of VDJ to download the custom mapper you will need (I know user/member cstoll made one for this unit).

If you like I ask for you to please let us know your experiences using this unit in both Serato ITCH and VDJ environments as well PC vs Mac as this was the intention of this thread.

Thank you,

DJ Esco
DJ_Esco 9:28 AM - 24 November, 2011
BTW +1 Serato for Plug and Play w/o the need of custom mapping. (Re: Native support)
pdidy 10:08 AM - 24 November, 2011
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esco stop wasting your time ... read dj demolitions bio he doesn't dj anymore hardly and here is how he got5 his name:
"I had trouble beat mixing,... a lot of trouble! One of the regular jocks said my mixes sounded like a train wreck, and he started calling me "DJ Crash" " -- from his bio-- his words

I , myself am totally embarrassed and appalled at the fact that a known forum member intentionally communicated with an obvious troll. that is all.....
DJ_Esco 10:21 AM - 24 November, 2011
lol
DJ.Tyme 10:25 AM - 24 November, 2011
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hi, can anyone help me out , i purchased the Pioneer DDJ-S1 & i tried to use itch but it keeps crashing , so i've purchased virtual DJ Pro 7.0.5 for Mac OS X but doesn't pick up the controller , but the controller works on the windows platform running Virtual DJ Pro 7.0.5 , really P...... off ,if anyone knows how to make the controller work on Virtual DJ Pro 7.0.5 for Mac OS X ,really would appreciate it

um try virtualdj.com