I think the plan is for a plug-in architecture which 3rd parties can develop for (as well as absolutely kick ass ones from Serato hehe). So effects would definitely be a part of that.

Just to clarify, we aren't talking about creating a new plug-in format. Rather, adopting an existing one.

coool general effects like reverb, flanger, maybe even vocoder. WOuld be waaaaay cool. Maybe like a vst plugin or a AU plugin.

A vocoder would be quite cool since we already have a mic input...

A multy fx like reverb/flanger/phaser/lfo/ECT that the parameters could be controled from keyboard and some original fx would be real nice

a revers would be nice to

For reverse, I'll make a box with two switch for invert R/L channels (You'll see soung play reverse).
And the song will be allways in rythm because vinyl continue playing at same speed, and when reverse is desactivated, the beat falling well (keeping beatmatch) with other deck if it was already beatmatched before reverse.
I've some difficults to explain this in english ... I'm french ! :-)

Couin

hopefully the plug effects you guys speak of will be deck independent... so we can apply the effects to one deck at a time or both at the same time if we want...

If independent fx are in the works.... it would also be great to support an external controller like an x-session you could assign knobs for filtering, delay, etc....

I'm all for that!

Mike

evolved
i know what your saying but you could get a kaose pad and that will do it for you anyway just conect to the outputs of the mixer
i just dont whant to carry any more things

make it Audiounits compatible, add a midi controller and a sampler (using the mic?)

This is very important! Man, I would LOOOOOVE it if 1.5 came out today with even simple effects (mainly BPM-based echo). It would either have to detect the BPM itself or let the user tap it. Please!

echo and delay befor the x-fader??

well, pre fader echo and delay is not very nice but... its better than nothing :)

anyways, there are some other more important things to do before adding effects, but i agree it would be interesting. in fact, other softwares are adding effects, like traktor dj studio 3, and the next pioneer mp3 mixing software.

eq and compression/ expansion some other such might be good tho

Eqs would be really handy

Effect plug-ins???
Whoa??

That would kick ass....

I'd seriously rather have nothing

i would we cool to use AU plugs or RTAS. Please dont make VST...they suck.

www.djstuart.com.ar

would be insane to be able to have fx with SSL!!!!!

ditto

word

Or Just be able to use the onboard EFX of the Mixer

This would be a great opportunity for adding high-quality equalizers via vst-host.

As cool as it sounds, I would much rather prefer SSL to be a Stable Vinyl emulator and rather than it being the jack of all and master of none.. dont get me wrong, would love the EFX but not at the cost of sacrificing the reliabilty..

i'd prefer fx and eq to be separate fx unit or on the mixer.

I strongly agree

please no effects keep it as vinyl/cd emulation

QFT.

There is no reason for there not to be effects.
It's not like you HAVE to use them, but they would be great for the people who want to mess with them.

And about the reliability thing - I agree with that, if Serato can remain reliable then I really see no problem with efx.

But what effects and when are people going to be satisfied?
5 effects , 20 , 100 it will be ever lasting
From what i've been reading doing something like P&T is going to sap system resources like no tomorrow already... add midi.... auto looping and finally effects and Serato will suffer......

Any effects, with stability, are welcomed. Thanks in advance Serato!

these are the only four you need:
1. FILTERS (Allen & Heath emulation). I use the xone 62 at my main residency, i looove the filters, so when i use other mixers at other gigs, i really miss them, but if i was to have them in serato, i could have in effect (pardon the pun!) a xone 62 with me at all times.

2. Beat Repeat: I love the beat stutters you can get using ableton, or traktor, or any of the effect units you can buy, really adds something new to the mix.

3. Delay: good for doubling up beats to build up segments, adds a good live element to the mix.

4. Reeverb: don't use it, but still, its a standard must have.

Any clue as to what kind of time scale the effects are? 1.8?

I like your choice of effects, i've come real full circle on this idea if it could be pulled off with out effecting stability i'd be all for it, but it won't happen until at least midi is out next year

Delay are only worth using if you can insert them post fader other wise they will dissapear.

Effects is a cool idea but only if we can control where in the chain they are implemented.

www.scratchlive.net

filters. flanger .delay .echo. bit crusher. why oh why have we not got them yet.

yeah thats cool akiem but i'm a SSL 1 user as i don't like Rane Mixers that much

SSL should stay a clean and _stable_ vinyl-emulation, so from my side a no to effects and plug-ins

where can u get sound effects?

Please no effects. I don't see a good way to control them without an external hardware interface, so just get an outboard efx machine.

totally agree @djkevinz

man i honestly beleive scratch live would be "really seriouse" only if it had or could develope airhorns and drops!! =) =) =)

plus adding to scratch live can only help it be a better program and not make it worse

+1 for bit crush, reverb. BIG +1 for vst support (especially for 57 users)!

Yeah it's funny, about 99% of the effects here are all on the efx-1000. Go figure.

but a midi controller will be a lot cheaper then a dedicated effects unit

Effects/ pitch /delay / echo / flanger you know the usual ones would be good. I would like to see the Interface for the effects a software version (spftware being serato) much like the hardware version on the Pioneer mixers Djm- 800 Djm - 600 etc. They have a nice quick set up feature where you can select 1/2 time 3/4 time 1/1 time 2/1 time and 4/4 time, total of 3 buttons needed to control the effects.

o yeah www.pioneer.co.uk

dj aleksei said

November 29, 2006, 10:40 PM
these are the only four you need:
1. FILTERS (Allen & Heath emulation). I use the xone 62 at my main residency, i looove the filters, so when i use other mixers at other gigs, i really miss them, but if i was to have them in serato, i could have in effect (pardon the pun!) a xone 62 with me at all times.

2. Beat Repeat: I love the beat stutters you can get using ableton, or traktor, or any of the effect units you can buy, really adds something new to the mix.

3. Delay: good for doubling up beats to build up segments, adds a good live element to the mix.

4. Reeverb: don't use it, but still, its a standard must have.

Any clue as to what kind of time scale the effects are? 1.8?



gucca69 said

filters. flanger .delay .echo. bit crusher. why oh why have we not got them yet.


djuplift said

Effects/ pitch /delay / echo / flanger you know the usual ones would be good. I would like to see the Interface for the effects a software version (spftware being serato) much like the hardware version on the Pioneer mixers Djm- 800 Djm - 600 etc. They have a nice quick set up feature where you can select 1/2 time 3/4 time 1/1 time 2/1 time and 4/4 time, total of 3 buttons needed to control the effects.





I agree with all these, and that you should have a pre and post fade select on them.

It would be good to see it being brought into line with the features Traktor Scratch has to offer, as I for one will definitely be checking out Traktor Scratch if Serato doesn't intend to add any of these features.

I have a djm600, but the problem is different venues have different kit, and it would so much better for serato users if they could just tip up at their club knowing that they have all the kit they need right within SSL.

I'm really holding out for effects. I've been wanting to get a delay pedal but my hope is that Serato releases a beta in the near future with effects and hopefully even midi control.

Effects are must we need um we want um! pitch bend / Delay / Echo / Reverb / and some sweet filters..

and some flangers doh!

i'd like if the echo cud be changed, like the pionners 909 where u can echo just one specific beat of the track. if u need an examaple check jazzy jeff's hip hop forever part 3 mix cd.

he's just doubling up the track with two copies of the same track most of the time - liek on the large Pro track.

He does use delay on the change overs though, thats just a case of sending it at the right moment and then shutting off the signal but that needs to be a post fader signal in app effects wouldn't be able to do that.

Effects would be so very useful, the most important new feature that I'd like for sure. But I think built-in ones would be much better, simple stuff like LPF, Shelving EQ, Tempo delay etc. Using 3rd party plugins would be too risky I think, given that stability of the program is paramount in a live situation.

/agreee

I doubt that. I think most people who've been using SSL for a while came from F*n*l Scr*tch, and wouldn't ever go back.

I know that's true for me.

agree. SSLL as a VST host would be awesome.

VST support would take Serato past Torq in my eyes.

Think about it: freeware VSTs can do all of what Torq does as long as they could be midi controlled (which is in 1.8). There's no need for VSTi support really & hence no need to code in a sequencer. Combine this with the fact that Rane has lower latency equals Rane as the winner.

Third party VST's = Uncontrollable programming and thus emans Serato will become unstable.

They can't do that, it's a live medium for pro work, thus it CANNOT be unreliable.

Untill Serato can control all the VST's programmers in the wrold they are better off using their own effect plugin's etc...

I wouldn't mind the 'at your own risk' disclaimer, if support was available. I'd also hope that rane would continue developing their own effects even if third-party effects where an option.

The "use at your own risk" disclaimer is all very well but in the bigger picture if somoene is using ssl live and the software fails who gets the bad press the dj or the Software?

Now add that into a larger picture. You are at a gig and you see someone using SSL, and all of a sudden the systm crashes? what do you think? thats right most people will think taht serato crashed as they wont know about VST's and the detrimentale uncontrolled programming can have on a host.

by using 3rd party VST's you are creating a situation that could be damaging to the reputation of Serato, who have built their rep on being the most reliable vinyl solution on the market, i don't think they can take that risk.

I'd personally prefer them to develop their own plug in's/effects.

/agree some more

if a system crashes then it reflects upon the DJ, most heds (99%) would only be using vsts that they have practiced with at home.

i have no idea where you get the idea that there will be a headhunt out for serato. other djs are the only ones that pay attention to this.

and again, you'd have to be a numpty to go out with dodgy plugs that crash your pc!

that's what I was thinking. the DJ is the quality control for choosing VSTs that will not crash.

Practicing at home is not the same as in the field regardless of what you may think.

And ultimatly what does you're average DJ know about VST's and their stability? How many people will buy and use legit copies of VST effects? Or even take the time to search through the freeware apps out there that can do the same. Not many thats for sure, so how they can be the quality control over VST's used is a bit beyond me.

I never said their would be a head hunt for Serato, but when Final Scratch crashes who do you blame? Not the DJ for certain, regardless of what crashed it you look at Final Scratch. If Cubase hangs do you blame the engineer or the Software? The software.

And the mian thing as you've pointed it out yourself, OTHER DJ's will be the only one paying attention to it. They will not know what has crashed it, the VST or something else, but they will KNOW that Serato crashed in a live environment and THAT is detrimental to the brand name of SERATO,a nd will increase if it becomes a VST host for third party programming

The fact of it is that Serato is the most reliable Vinyl Emulator out there, to start introducing third party programming to it is insane unless you control the progamming. Which is what Josh and Steve are talkign about at the top.

1)Practicing at home is preparing for the field. Software doesn't know when your at a gig and when your at home.

2)I think most DJs are getting familiar with VSTs now and this number is growing fast. Personally I would only use about 1% of the vsts I use in Ableton for Serato & these would all be fullproof

3)FS is awful :)

4)Again, why would a DJ even risk this?

5) Its not insane, its evolution.

No but the environment and stress you place on your laptop is different. Heating, set up time etc.. all come into play.



Thats a bit of an assumption. not all DJ's produce, and not all DJ's use computers for effects so why would they know about VST's?



Truedat! but you see my point?



Because People cut corners and not everyone is professional about how they approach something. Look at the number of SSL dosen't work with my copy of Vista threads on here.



Effects isn't insane, it is evolution, but it's about controlling that evolution so it works rather than causes more problems.

its just a strange angle your approaching from this one. do you use VSTs?

If you dont, then you dont know the 10000 reasons why it would be good.

If you do, then why would you deprive yourself of those 10000 reasons?

I know Rane is known for its stability, but they also need profit, and VST support would bring that in.

VSTs will crash Torq, Tractor, and DJdecks. But they still offer something that Rane doesnt

yes i do use VST's both for production AND for DJ'ing live, and i use them in a way that is stable and dosen't impact on Serato in anyway.

The reason being I would rather a VST crashed out and i could carry on running Serato and thus still playing music rather then it crashd out Serato and everything stops.

And while i agree it's a nice thing to be looking for, i don't think SSL needs to compromised by becoming a VST host when there is lots of them out there already that will allow you to do the same thing.

On top of that my personal belief is that any VST's hosted within SSL will be pre-fader effects and i think they are generally redundant.

true, there are already other vst hosts, but at least give rewire to SSL

i don't know too many good points....my mixer has the effects and i find it easier to use my mixer effects rather than vst's but i'm still going to check out TRaktor Scratch i migrated from FS and i'm VERY GLAD I DID...but i've been hearing alot of positives from TS especially if you like to scratch or juggle in which i do even during transitions.

first I have to say, I don't have a serato system. yet. the reason for this is the sound quality, which will of course improve when the technology does, but since I'm an audio technician as well, I have confronted a problem on this new tech that, for example, a lot of hiphop/rap groups are using for background source.

since it is a vinyl emulation system, compared to vinyl, it has a disadvantage on the warmth of the overall sound, especially on lower grade mp3's, but this applies to all digital media.

to cover this up, I'd suggest something like this on board: [url]www.aphex.com[/url] available as TDM as well. now, being a technician, and a DJ, I know this is a dangerous item given to a DJ (i know what U R like ;) especially with something like BIG BOTTOM on that thing), but pre-programmed to go not more than a moderate enhancement, I think it would be a good tool when you have a PA that really can kick it. on the mids and the highs this might bring back some of the losses accuring on mp3 convertion.

another, quite simple trick that some of the mixdown engineers are using on records nowadays, is mixing vinyl surface noise with the rest of the stuff on the master track. just to get rid of the digital clarity. how about an option putting some of that on the mp3's?

another problem would be solved in the meantime as well. when DJ's play on vinyl and the laptop, on fast paced performance a lot of DJ's are relying on the meterboard of the mixer to keep the levels straight. but without the low end hum the meters lie quite significantly. which leads to massive changes in volume, sometimes even damage on the PA, not to mention the audience.

I really really wish, that we would get rid of the mp3 and the e-mart would supply us with WAVs AIFFs FLACs or whatever good practices the future might bring, but its still a long way to go, and this is just a suggestion to make the wait easier to bear.

keep it unreal ;)

^^ thats why we all payed for it in the 1st place


if you want/need fx that much just get a mixer with send and return

vinyl warmth = even-order harmonic distortion. And yes it is missing from digital sources but I can't say that's a bad thing IMO.

Granted I understand why you wish to add a harmonic synthesizer to add the harmonics, but with something like the Aphex Big Bottom unit, I doubt you can turn the knob left enough (before off) to really emulate the very subtle vinyl harmonics without just adding more low-frequency magnitude (really an EQ job).

Adding more high-end harmonics and/or magnitude (the Aural Exciter does both), why? The high frequencies are where perceptual coding algorithms (like mp3) sound the worst, why would you torture your audience by exacerbating it?

And DJs who mix only with their eyes (using meters) will have poor level matching regardless of whether it's digital or vinyl. I don't recall any 'hum' altering my metering anyway, do you have some kind of grounding problem?

^
well, I'm missing the warmth all the time. with serato, laptop live performances etc. if I'm doing sound on a club night, I might have to deal with a live band, dj playing vinyl, and a laptop performance of some kind, and the worst sounding of them all, to me, is the digital one. the best solution so far has been "new york style compression" i.e. signal -> comp ->EQ out the mids -> mix back with the original, uncompressed signal. an attempt to do some mastering on the fly.

digital media, especially mp3s don't have the low end of a vinyl or a good mic, and you can't EQ back something that's not in there in the first place, can you?

I haven't tested the aphex with mp3's, but I just have a hunch that it might work, especially on the bass. don't have a clue about perceptual coding algorithms either. I'm a dj/sound engineer, who likes things that sound good. not a nerd.

and by the hum I meant the low-end surface noise. I know a grounding problem when I hear one..

bottom line, the only thing that makes me consider traktor over serato is the fx, ive got a beautiful rane empath mixer, but it doesnt have any fx on it just lots of penny + giles faders :P i dont really want to change my mixer but a few echo/delay/reverb hi/low pass would be nice, ive tries out my mates 2 channel pioneer mixer and the difference when your doing scratches is unbeleiveable as well as what it adds to tracks.

i think the traktor has a much higher system requirement tho compared to serato, so when the fxs are 'off' it shouldnt tax the computers processor

bump for effects!

VST effects would be great.
Are there other systems out there with VST?

pre-fader? (look it up)

happens when plugin craps on yous?

Surely if you want FX, buy a dedicated hardware FX unit (Kaoss Pad) OR a DJ Mixer with inbuilt FX *DJM series for example*.

Although VST support could be an advantage, ways of triggering it could be tricky (unless you have the TTM, then you're already laughing).

If you're serious about it, i would suggest go hardware for FX.

yo akiem give up on the prfader thing will ya its getting boring u sound like a broken record pun intended ...... just give it up man

sure buddy, give up on the effects, the ones that come first, and I will

SSL has effects. They're used with the TTM-57SL.

If that's not good enough, buy an external unit.

i'm just going to mention again - pre-fader/post-fader only applies to echos/delays.

Everything like filters, flanges, phasers, etc. are pre-fader effects.

That being said, I still don't think serato should have internal effects. Any DJ who's serious about effects in their craft would either buy an external box or have a decent fx mixer.

How bout adding a sounbank to the TTM-57

i'd like a split cue effect for the ttm57 please =P

Effects would b really cool. it would also b cool if serato put in a sampler like if you have drops ''you are in the mix with dj etc..''instead of having to carry a sampler form gig to gig

I think there should be 2 kinds of Serato ..Serato like it is and Serato Scratch Studio.
The Serato studio would have loads of FX, emulation of a Rane mixer/EQ , compression, 4 decks would have a new harware unit, onboard cpu for the effects, etc. of 5-6 stereo outs, (4 decks, and 2 fx routings)and the ability to grow way beyond the standard one, for djs who want to get into more the studio style of djing.
What ya think?

I just think there are two kinds of digital djs these days: emulation / classic djs who still like decks and controllerism dj's who like to not only use decks and make a studio kind of performance.

www.serato.com

That is not what I was meaning at all. That was a Digi Design plug in, not an application /hardware program. Ok, maybe the name is a little boring but the concept should emerge because Traktor is causing some stir these days in the dj world and Serato needs to strike back.

To Me Serato is one of the best Dj software out there VDJ/TRAKTOR/FINALSCRATCH ECT... to me isnt all that, i mean they all have there only little things but there not as solid as Serato. take VDJ b4 i had serato i loved it but i always hated that the BPMS were always off..

It's been 4 years!!!!!!!!

I'm afraid that if U want effects without buy a scratch mixer (like the TTM57) or a complete solution (like ITCH) U could have effects from Serato; If they had give it up the ideas of effects in SSL, they won't tell us because we'll be fixed and we gonna started to search a new solution.

yeah man fx would be meeean

The Only thing Scratch Live Really needs is some sort of adjustment that would allow turnables with built in effects to be functional while working in absolute mode without taking any thing away from Scratch Live's current performance. I love the fact that Scratch Live doesn't have too much. The main attraction for professional DJ's like myself is that you still must put in the work to be good, and a push of a button to create effects is only comforting the amatuer dj. Serato should only be interested in creating ways to make the professional dj's equipment more compatible with their system not adding features to make it easier for the novice.

Great idea.

The plug-in idea is great as well. That way the user could add whatever functionality they wanted.

I would like to see a randomize function for the autoplay function, especially for INT mode, that way when i want/need to step away form my laptop and more or less let it run on "autopilot", (say so i can eat and/or get some time in the pool at my uncles labor day party lolz) you can do so within a certain crate without having to without having to line up everything in the prepare section of Serato. LOL I know, cut me some slack, but i do still do 'conventional" Dj gigs on the side for extra loot outside the realm of the Drum and Bass scene, and being a "performance Dj" so to speak. Any thoughts?

Just to add my 2pence worth to the discussion.... as others have said, as long as it maintains the same level of stability and reliability then I'd love to see a small suite of decent effects The plug in's idea is also a good one.. .if it's done right.

For those that don't want a set of effects maybe there could be 2 versions run simultaneously. One with effects and a stripped down version without?

(Sorry if I'm going over old ground but reading 100 posts wasn't going to happen this evening! ;) )

As it seems that Itch is getting effects, maybe we could get them on SSL as well?

The reason to have effects in the software is to have same effects everywhere, regardless of the mixer, and without having to for 500e on Pioneer EFX500 or even more for the EFX1000. Besides, we don't want to carry any more stuff than we need to.

Well said that man.

+1

+1

I just need a Xone 92 VCF emuation and that's me done. And no, I won't go and use Traktor.

ITCH and SSL are two different animals when it comes to effects routing

EFFECTS!!!!!! Seriously, it's the only thing missing. To tell you the truth I would have rather had effects than the Bridge (which is going to be awesome). But effects are basic now and days, there is no reason why scratch can't have a basic effects package.

And what's up Serato! Respond already. I'm seriously inches away from going to another platform over this issue.

you know about the Bridge but you don't know about fx?

Well tell me then. How do I get softwarte effects to run in scratch without hardware?

just dwnld live 2.0 beta. There are built in effects. Ignore my last post.

I would like to see some specific mic effects in the next version of sl. delay, reverb, auto tune. ect

yes mic effects would be nice you can do it with the ttm57 but you have to do it in master.. and that sucks..

TWO THUMBS Up for mic effects please let's do it

Tape Echo. Please.

Or at least control of the echo rate like tape speed.
Classic Roland style!:)

microphone echo on ssl 1 pleaseeeeeee update

pitch with lfo for djfx please

The new tape echo on Traktor is sweet this would be a good effect to have

been asking for this for so long, hope they can also put effects where you can do echo outs on the tracks being played, instead of it cutting off when you slide your fader out between two tracks, just saying.

Is anything going on? I see this NUMARK relase for the NS 6 or something. But, where is the Serato stuff? Seems like Itch gets ALL the attention these days.