Oh, I've just bought Virtual Vinyl now! Gutted. :-(

Whoa!

Just had a go on my macbook pro 2.4 ghz, 2 gb ram. It seems promising.
I threw in some quicktime movies, some motion graphics im doing for an art project, the files were 384x480 pix (yeah its a crazy format format i know) photo jpg compression. still they scaled to size, although a bit slow to load videos on the decks. Going home from the office now to hook up my ssl and midi.

I see a lawsuit coming.

But I am going to download it quickly for testing :p

Think I'll sit tight and wait for an official plug-in release from Serato, which hopefully will happen now and make do with VV until then!

I'm waiting for the PC fanboys to start complaining. Waaa. Mac only. Waaaa. We told u to buy a mac.

why you always gotta make it racial...? I mean about PC vs MAC... which is almost like a race war.

get over it

software works great with my Ecler EVO 5....someone listened so I wouldnt have to buy a damn 57.

Oh it also has the banner alot of you have been wanting.

I bet it will be a looooong wait, or maybe Rane will come out with an SL2 box that will allow you to use their video pluggin (this way, they can make some extra money).

What soundcard are you using?

you still have to use the sl1box as the sound card, would be awesome if you werent tied to the sl1 box, because than I could use the sound card built into the Ecler EVO5

well it looks like i was wrong anyway. not a single post from the pc guys complaining that this is mac only. i guess they're over it.

u just like to poke don't you... trying to make an argument happen.

such child like behavior



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I haven't tried this program out yet. Does it run as a plug-in for Serato? Does it take the place on the screen where the preview screens are when VSL is running?

Well, I am testing it out, and finding it ok... I have a macbook Pro 2.0 Core Duo , 2 gig ram, 128 VRAM (what the software recommends, but the videos are choppy after downloading Visual Hub and converting some video's to MPEG4). The video's are choppy, and seem to freeze from when I try crossfading. The audio keeps up, just the video needs to keep up with the audio.

I like the idea, but alas I think I am going to have to get a TTM 57 still. oh well.

try using videos from smashvidz...on my MBP I dont have any issues with the video. also there are some setting you will want to set up in Serato, and also in ME. shoot me a pm and I can give you the settings that work best for me but be a few days until I unpack my system and set backup in the home studio.

Phat-Al, its a Separate program. I found myself Apple+Tab'ing between the two. If you have a Midi controller setup you can just use that I suppose. I would make sure your Midi controlls are not mirrored between SSL & the program, else I suspect things to get funky.

funny thing here is that it IS possible for the folks at Serato to just open the already existing plug-in so we CAN use MIDI to control it and the SL-1 soundcard instead... they just won't. there is a demand for it otherwise these people wouldn't have developed this. That would change EVERYTHING if they just did it. Bad thing is I don't have the SL-1 soundcard so I would have to and buy Serato Scratch Live all over again just for a soundcard... sux

DJ-Phat-AL..I was looking at your profile, and it states you have a Macbook Pro 2.0 Core Duo (Not Core 2 Duo) and the 57. How does your setup handle video's? The only reason I ask, is you commented in my other post, and I was curious how (ifyour laptop is the same as mine) if the TTM 57 and the Macbook pro handle with each other. Do you have the 128VRAM or the 256VRAM?... Thanks

Why care about MIDI for VSL? Look at how Serato did MIDI with the audio side. They waited, got everything else nice and mature and stable, then finally got around to it.
VOB support is a big deal. Stability and usability are a big deal. There's a lot more work to do there before they open it up to outside hardware.
I for one think they should focus on catching up with the features of Pioneer's SVM, especially linked audio/video effects and video effects assignable to EQ knobs.
MIDI is a crappy standard invented in the 70s. Even when it's implemented perfectly it's laggy and imprecise. MIDI sucks for a turntablist approach. It literally can't keep up.
I'd rather see Rane get serious and drop a dedicated video mixer (like a video Empath for 3-deck mixing, with a second real crossfader worked in somewhere) than see Serato waste time trying to make VSL work with everybody's different setups.

Man stop trying to do video already! Even if you get a plug-in for it!, it's not like you're going to drop 3k on a projector, 1,200 on a screen and/or all the other money need to do it. . . ( if you can't even buy a 57) UNLESS YOU'RE going to be one of those wak club 50 dollar DJ!. . . . lol

I wouldn't have a problem buying an SL2 box. I think it's wrong that some people on here expected the video plug-in to be provided for free anyway. I wouldn't purchase some CDJ's, then Pioneer subsequently launch the DVJ's and expect them to give them to me for free! At the end of the day, it's a different product.

Wake up Mark, its a natural evolution/progression. I've been in video and animation production for 10 years, and prices have come down to a 10th of what they used to be. Compare to the music industry too if you like. As a band you no longer need to hire a expensive studio, you could build it for a fraction of what it used to cost. I'm not saying you won't be having investments, but still, the difference is huge, compared to what it used to be.


Also projectors/Screens can be hired, and a lot of venues have them permanently installed.

Prices coming down means 2 things:
1. whack people try to do it, realize they suck and get bored with it.
2. technology is available to a wider userbase. It will definitely attract great new talent.

Personally I think the roles of a DJ vs VJ optimally should be separate ones, I don't go to clubs to see the same videos aired on tv/internet over and over. I much more prefer original visuals. Still, software like this one will have DJ's experimenting and just maybe we'll see some nice creativity coming out of it.

Your analogy seems similar to people saying "wanna start out dj'ing? Oh you need to go get hold of the most expensive highend gear...."

I'm not expecting to get a free VSL, I would just like to experiment with video (my own visuals) without buying the TTM57. (I prefer the DJM800) A SSL2 box seems a lot more appealing to me.

I see what you're saying WarpNote but it's like this for some DJs, If they get an sl1 plug in then what? You still need to buy videos? DJs b4 you say something stupid like, well I'll just get smash vids. . . How would that make you look AS a DJ ( DeeJaying only other DJs work?)

People think just by being able to do video they'll make big $$$$. . . lol No clubs where I live does video and I've been able to do the shit for a min now but ????? NO CLUB DOES VIDEO WHERE I LIVE, why? cause they don't wanna pay. I'm saying video's not that big of a deal. Even if you get it you'd need to 1. get videos 2. find someone to pay you ( A Fair price) 3. Be good at it. 4. know you're not going to make more then what you put into it for a long time. ( Unless you're just lucky)

Cost aside. . . VIDEO TAKES A S**T LOAD OF TIME!

BTW the 800 is cool but not as fun as the EFX-1000 with any mixer that has send/return inputs . . .

All very good points mark, I totally agree. If I could count all those endless late night hours in front of the computer to meet delivery deadlines. No wonder most people int that industry hit the wall at least once during their carrier. My main reason to quit doing video post-production as a full time job...

- and Id love to have a go at the EFX-1000, time to start saving up :D

most of these products you name are MIDI... which once again would change everything if Serato just made the plug-in MIDI compatible with use of new improved soundcard or whatever. Not everyone likes the ttm57sl. It is made for a scratch DJ (which I am at times) but not so much for house style DJ's (which I am at times too)...

I agree that it would be a cool addition to make the video work along side audio effects to create a whole new way of video DJ-ing. But can't have everything the new highly expensive pioneer video mixer can do with just software and a $1,200 mixer. Very unlikely.

well for those that just want to do visuals and no audio you can perfect your stuff from checking out vjforums. Alot of the guys there just do that Visuals, and they also have alot of money invested in gear, we are talking over 10K.
Yes with technology the last few years you can do both audio and visual. Like some others mention, most clubs dont want to spend the money for Video, the way to break it in is have your own setup, I have 3 screens and 3 2500lumens projectors. Do a night at a club for the cost they would pay a highend dj that doesnt do video, show them what you got. If they like it and your good they will bring you back. You can also charge more since you have to bring your own gear, or do what I have done. Sell and install video equipment at the club. Also since some indicated no one else is doing video, tell the club owner this is something that they can brag about over commericials. The only club doing video in "name of city or town". Selling point for the club to attract new customers.

Just because you can do video, doesnt mean all the club owners are going to come knocking on your door, you have to work at it and sell it! However this is the next big thing. (until they come out with halographic videos and playing devices!)hehhe

Marknonsense1.... thank you for your constructive criticism. You are right, I cannot afford a TTM 57 right now. Being that I have to pay off my wedding from april $40K, and that my wife has Diabetes (so we have medical expenses), and I stay at home to raise our 14 month old son, money is tight. I do however have a mobile dj system, containing two EV P3000 amplifiers, 2 Projections units (Infocus LP500 and NEC 2000 Lumens Unit) with two 6' X 6' screens (Dalite)2 EV T52+ Speakers with 2 EV MTL 1X Subwoofers, 10" light truss with DMX intelligent lights, 2 Pentium 4 Desktops running OTS DJ.
That is my mobile system. My club system is One Macbook Pro 2.0 GH Core Duo, 2 Denon DNS 3500's, 1 Numark 5000fx mixer, Ext. 750 GB HD and either SSL, Virtual Vinyl, or Ableton LIve.

I do do club work when I am not dj'ing wedding, both offer more then $50 a night. Both are incorporating Video. One expects it, the other is just getting started. After running Virtual Vinyl and seeing it crash on me, installing bootcamp, XP PRo SP 2, my attention came back to Serato.

Obviously like other families, we are pinching pennies, and I want to get a video dj system up an running without breaking the bank.

So Marknonsense1.... I already have 2 projectors "your not going to drop 3K on a projector", I already have 2 screens "your not going do drop $1200 on a screen", "or all the other money need to do it. . ." well, I think I have everything I already need, except the TTM 57, (and possibly a faster laptop). Like other DJ's, I am just trying to get stuff to work with my current setup before I have to completely start changing things around.

So, I have a mobile system with projection screens, a mobile club system that I bring with me to my 2 venues that demand videos as well. Sorry you thought I was a wak $50 dj,

But hey, thanks for being a dick anyways... its always good to see someone answer a question with information on the boards, instead of answering a questions with ignorance.

lol . . . 40k for a wedding?, she got you my friend. . . lol Well 1st off, BIG UPs on the wedding!

2nd I wasn't even talking to you but ok, 3rd you don't have everything to do video, all the EV gear is cool ( I'll give you that!), your projectors SUCK ASS( Both are wak)! Your screens TOO SMALL. I have like 3 truss set ups and all are diff. so if you tell me what kind or which one you have, I'll let you know what I think about it. LIghting, again what kind? I don't even know why you said anything about the PC desktops? but you have a MACBOOK PRO ( So you have both world, cool).

Your Denons SUCK ASS, I can't even believe you admitted to owing a NUMARK, that right there is enough ( I'm not even going to say any thing), same goes for Virtual Vinyl.

So, long story short, you'll need to buy a better projector about 3k ( or 6k for two), Better Screen about 1,200 for one, a better mixer at least 300 for a used 707 but if your next mixer isn't a rane or pioneer ( JUST QUIT!).

And if you're using INFOCUS projectors to VJ, YOU'RE A WAK DJ, Sorry! but I feel you on all the other stuff you said. . . Hope all goes well.

I really do wish you the best!, I don't want people thinking I hate. . .lol ( This is like when keeping it real goes wrong) I can get you really good deals on lighting, trussing, screens, projector.

Marknonsense1... what is the old saying , the truth hurts. Well, to each their own. I had to make a choice this wedding season to either upgrade my Audio, Lights , of Video equipment. I figure it doesn't matter how clear, bright your projectors run, or if you have the newest DMX Martin Lighting, if your audio sucks, it will show. So I took the first step to upgrade the sound. Now I am onto the video's. Both venue's I dj at have LCD screens mounted. I am trying to see if I can use my laptop with the TTM 57sl. I have read posts with people using just a macbook to do the job.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a pair of MK3's or the DVJ-1000's, and a Rane 2016, TTM57, Empath, etc, and everything else you mentioned above, I guess my Money tree isn't as big as yours.

Lighting? I have been looking at getting a pair of Elation Vision Scan 250's.. they run around $1400 each on ebay I have seen them for. What business do you work for? always looking to improve on my light show as well.

P.S. My dad can beat up your dad.. haha

. . . lol, that's funny cuz I don't even know him but tell your DAD to kick him in the balls for me. . . haha

I don't have money man but little I do have, I make that shit count ( OUT LOUD. . . lol)

If you're thinking of Elation Scaners, you have far more money then me. Any MacBook Pro will do the job just fine. I'm not really trying to buy anything else for my business cause it's not making me enough money but I'll keep at it and maybe one day!

I do how ever have a friend with a very successful business, So, I get to play with all kinds of cool gear. I'm just renting most of what I need for now.

But yeah if you need to buy anything GO to www.Freestyle-Entertainment.com, they'll hook you up with a fair price. Let them know Mark sent you. . . May get me some points. . . .lol Oh yeah and ask for Mark. . . haha

man that's funny.

^^^????^^^

its funny cuz you told him where to go get the hook and to also ask for you. thats funny.

I said haha cause we both have the same name. . but it's a diff. mark. . . sorry about the miss understanding. . . lol

My 2 cents (sorry didn't read the whole thread, started turning into a knitting circle)

The ability to do video without the 57 has been around for awhile, but the point of the 57 is a complete intergration of the faders and buttons.

If you don't care about this, than why wait for Serato to impliment it. But you will see why this is important after awhile. Why do you think pioneer came out with a very expensive mixer.

Niros

NIRO> When hasnt pioneer come out with something that isnt expensive?
MIDI has been around for a long time, if you have a good mixer with great midi capabilities, you dont need the 57.

Even the best MIDI is inferior to how control messages are sent from the 57 to Serato. MIDI is slower and less precise.

True, but remember that most VJ's use MIDI controllers anyway, so a any mixer with built-in MIDI would be sufficient for the video part, IMHO. Leave the audiofaders for the music in the mixer, and send additional Midi to control the image in VSL/MixEmergency....

Has anyone actually tried this program yet? Also can serato load video files without the 57 attached?

I have try it and yes it has a couple of extras and the text overlay effect but i can see memory problem with it and i am running 2.4 quad with 4 gig ram

Yes Pioneer products are pricey, but the video mixer is really pricey.

This may sound bias but I think the two all around best mixers in the world are made by Pioneer. The DJM800 is an amazing audio mixer and the SVM1000 video/audio mixer is a beast! Anyone remenber the first mixer with a sampler in 1991-1992. I think it was $1700 in todays money thats an SVM.

Just wondering if this can be run with the hc 4500 through serato ?

It works like a champ, I love it but I get the same message and I'm running a 2.2 with 4 gig ram.

serato will load the video files, but it only plays the audio stream.

Yea and the plug in from www.inklen.com will do the trick of playing videos with serato. Finally a solution for playing videos without using the unreliable virtual dj.

RANE TTM 57 SL PURCHASED... all I have to say is I am quite happy. I only got to play around with it for about 1 hour today before the wife got home, but I could not be happier with what I have seen. The integrated MIDI eliminates 1 cable coming off of the laptop to a midi controller, the mixer Eliminates another cable to the SSL1 box, with 6 more RCA cables coming off of it. Very streamlined. The Video Transitions are very nice. I get to test it out in a club setting on Wednesday, so I got some practicing to do. Handbrake is converting files as I type this. I will keep everyone updated.

Very happy with my purchase. (I am sure won't fade much when credit card bill comes ;))

Are we going to get any comment from a MOD about the "legality" of this?

for real

so are you saying i can just buy a midi controller lets say the new vestax 300 and buy ssl and this program and mix videos as good as buying the rane 57sl mixer with the SI plug?

jon e blaze, sent you an email...I dont think it will work because serato works off time code...you could use the vestax but the platters you would not be able to use....unless somehow serato has come up with a way to map out the vestax, however I highly doubt it....they want you to go get the ttm57...they just enabled midi because alot of people were griping that have the sl1 box...if they would of known some company was developing an add in for there product, I dont think they would have opened up the midi, until they had solution for the sl1 people....however I think RANE wanted to get more people like Betow (no offense, glad your happy with your 57, however I like some of the better mixers out there) to break down and spend the money to get the 57. Thats just my thoughts.

it's all about the almighty $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

keep that to yourself, please (no misquote)

myself...? I am sure there are many others who share the same thoughts.

the answer for the best MIdi Tool is Denon HD2500 or 4500. I run my SL1 on this set up and honestly I havent used my MK2's in a while. Although Is just for club nights.
for privates. I take the good old 1200's and the TTM-57.
DJLos

Watchwww.youtube.com

+1

MixEmergency works nice for me. There are a few options which makes it even easier to use for mw than VSL (random transition selection for example).

Good work.

ouch...lol. I don't know about you guys...but i just got a sickly feeling in the pit of my stomach. $1200 compared to $200. I was one of those dj's that bought the 57SL to have a smooth video option to scratch Live. Oh well...I'm way ahead of the game because I did buy it instead waiting for an alternative option.

Comparing apples and oranges?

I guess that remains to be seen until people have further tested MixEmergency. From that video DJ Phat Al posted...it seems pretty close to VSL.

yo vmb, how much money have you made since you dropped money for the 57+mac, etc. I've made it back threefold on just video events alone.

I think you missed the point.

TTM57 costs about $1200 (I guess thats what you're talking about). That's hardware.

ME works nicely. The ME license is about $180. That's software.

What I was saying was, to run VSL I purchased the TTM57SL, when I was perfectly happy with my old mixer I was using. Now we have an alternative way to run Serato VSL with out the TTM57SL mixer. It just sux that I put down that much for the TTM57SL. Don't get me wrong, it is a very awesome mixer. I just figured that Rane was going to make an SL2 box in a couple of years and that would be the only other way to run VSL. I'm just expressing my grief...that's all.

Eder, I haven't made that much yet. I purchased this and got into the video game while I moved to a new city. I still gota really make my connects out here and land some solid weekly gigs. But once I do...I'm I'm sure I'll make my money back from the video pools, mixer, and mbp.

... and that's where you are comparing apples to oranges.

ME=software for $180
TTM57SL=hardware for $1200.

You can't compare both. Period.

lol, ok you win nik.

actually you can... in order for folks who want to do video with Serato you HAVE to spend $1,200 (mixer) PLUS the $200 for software plug-in.

The comparison is the requirement in order to video with Serato. It can NOW be down with a separate plug-in type software for under $200.

And before anyone starts posting the whole... great... now life is over before we now it because common peeps can get the ability to do video for little money whinny posts... that is ridiculous point to make where serato is ttm57sl restricted. Generally it seems that this company DOES listen to what people say as far as feedback for software improvements, suggestions, feature requests, etc... this one however has been ignored. Serato video was in developement for over a year, shown at trade shows, promised it would be out by a july date, went back to developement, finally released months later, full of bugs, and now almost a year later after the release... decent. Some of the main complaints are that fact you HAVE to use the ttm57sl. NOT everyone is a scratch DJ or even likes that mixer. I like it... but not every club or situation I come across has it or makes it easy for me to put my mixer in place of theirs. Most clubs here in Las Vegas have the Pioneer DJM-800. That mixer is nice and has MIDI !!! To open to another market other than the self proclaimed elite of DJ's who was able to save up $1,200 to buy a mixer in order to do video. the ego kills me... forkin retarted. Serato might consider making the video plug-in opent to MIDI as well. You know what..? I would spend extra money for that feature. A MIDI version that costs $400 or so ... I would buy it. BUT so many people are excluded from using it currently. Until now... with Mix Emergency. I haven't tested it yet. The video I posted was from someone else who has plenty of tutorial and informative videos relating to Serato Scratch Live.

If plenty of users start using Mix Emergency with it's open to MIDI products approach it may help out users who do house/club/electronica music who already know the limitations of ttm57sl for mixing that style.

What sucks is I know have to buy the regular package of Serato with the SL-1 soundcard in order for me to use Mix Emergency... but I am willing to spend the money for it for me to do video with serato and MIDI.

... noticed how NO ONE from the Serato team has even posted on this topic.

Yeah I'm quite surprised. I did some beta work with Inklen.

Why do you feel the need to even answer that guy . . . I would of loved to get a pioneer djm-800 over the 57 any day. . . I got a good price on my 57sl but add the fact I had to send it back once ( I paid for shipping), (had to be without a mixer for 2 weeks) and the fact that I had to fix the 2nd channel not once but twice and the fact that they replace all my b buttons and two are going out again, one of which I don't even use that much. . . I'm almost sure I can send it back but I'll have to pay for shipping again and be without it! keep in mind I take really good care of my mixer and It's almost like new. . . I don't let other DJs use it unless they have a mixer over 1000 dollars too or I know they can paid for it.

I think the video is cool but if it wasn't for that I still think my 300 dollar pioneer mixer was far better. I would buy a djm-800 but having a 1500 dollar mixer now is stopping me. . .

The 1st time I sent it back I only had my mixer for a few mos, they didn't even give me any white vinyl. . . haha but for real some blue vinyl would of been just has good!

Hi all,
Just got back from a nice winter holiday and it seems things have got quite interesting!

So we are clear: Yes, we know both Mix Emergency and the developer who made it (NZ is a small country after all ;-). Our approach to this has been the same as any rival product in that we welcome the competition and don't want to either censor people or try to push someone out of the market. We like to think we play nice...

Having said that, Mix Emergency is NOT a Serato or Rane product and we do not develop, endorse or support it.

I guess SL1 support is the big thing that Mix Emergency offers and I can understand people being annoyed that this came from someone else. It has always been our intention to offer this in the future and this kind of shows that this capability was already under construction as ME is indeed piggybacking on Video-SL. It is kind of company policy to not promise things until we are 100% sure that we can deliver them and this is why we have never said what we are doing. The same is of course true for MPEG2 and lots of other features.

I still very much think that the 57 and the integrated control makes for a very cool video solution and we are looking at ways to bring this to, as the FAQ says, 'other hardware from the Scratch LIVE line'.

Hope this clarifies things a little,

N

Phat-Al, to each his own opinion, but your tirade against VSL+TTM57 is getting lame and boring.

You can' compare both, cause the TTM57 gives a lot more than only video support.



And why? Because...


Make it stable with a small user base and then, ONLY THEN unleash it to the thousands of SL1 users. Could you imagine what a disaster thas would had been if SL1 support was there since day 1?

I never said I didn't like VSL+TTM57... you assume that. I was just stating that you can compare the FACTS that of have REQUIREMENTS of mixing video... you HAVE to spend $1,200 (mixer), etc.



and if you ACTUALLY read what I wrote... I did say I like the mixer..



And why? Because...


...is getting lame and boring.






so you think it would have been a disaster? why exactly?... oh because it WASN'T ready to release in the first place... gotcha. Lucky us FEW who spent ALL THIS money intially wouldn't be pissed if it didn't work... oh wait we were... not a disaster at all...

If I had to only just buy a plug-in ($200) and it worked just the same as it did when it was initially released... I would have been fine... I ONLY SPENT $200 !!! not exactly the disaster I would imagine..


ANY NEW software isn't perfect right out of the gate AS WE EXPECTED ANYWAYS... so no disaster there...

I am completely FINE using the TTM57SL to run VSL... just would be nice to have options is all.. like I stated before... NOT every booth in the whole world has a TTM57SL in it... in order to expand a market place you can open up the capabilities to MIDI instead ... or even customizable keyboard short cuts to at least trigger video effects, transitions, etc. Then and only then would you be able to walk into ANY booth or situation and use VSL. which would be nice...

That along the video quality output is my ONLY complaints with VSL.

Yep, I stated multiple times that I think it was not ready.


And you still can't compare both.



What has one thing to do with the other?
I didn't say you don't like the mixer, read again.



Simple rules:
Every new technology will not work perfectly from day one.

Even though... every user who has shelled out money has the right to be pissed if things don't work correctly.

But I'd prefer to have 10 unhappy customers than 1000 unhappy (SL1) customers.


Aim is that everyone will have a working copy sooner or later.


Yep, I agree- Controlling all VSL functions and SSL functions with the 57 is very complicated, MIDI is preferred.

But again - it was good that only a few users had the chance to buy VSL (due to the SL1 not being supported). Just look at the complaints and bug reports which we had... now multiply that with 100. Not good.

Thanks for the info!!!

I have to say SERATO has done well with letting other software companies post on their board (Seratos Competition). After all There are numerous people that I see here that are also on the competitions sites. What this is allowing for the community of VJ's is that our voice is heard, and all this does is another company will kick things up a notch, than possibly SERATO will take it up a notch or Virtual DJ will. So basically if your into doing Video for your gigs, you will (like most of us have) use various software packages and switch when something newer and better comes out.
So thanks To Inklen to Inklen for listening in and hearing alot of the complaints. Now with it available for download, alot of us can test and provide feedback and maybe some enhancements.
Chances are tho with Inklen having a plugin that Serato will release something soon, this is going to hurt their wallet.(Alot more SL1 boxes exist out there than the 57.

Nathan,

Thanks for your post. Hopefully your "hints" will become a reality in the near future.

Given the choice between the two I would generally pick the original developer over the competitor....but time certainly plays a factor in that.

You don't HAVE to have the mixer to do video. There's many options out there OUTSIDE of Serato.

Pioneer DVJs: quite more expensive than just a $1,200 mixer, although once you buy them, in order for the DVJs fader sync to work you had to buy a Pioneer Mixer and ONLY a Pioneer Mixer.

Virtual DJ: Cheaper, more options, last time I used it it was buggy as hell and would have to build the overviews everytime...IMO a horrible design flaw (maybe they fixed it by now, maybe they didn't...I don't know)

Inklen: Beta, looks promising, about the same price as the official V-SL plugin. Not sure how this will work now since the official 1.8.2 takes away the video option unless you have the 57 plugged in.

V-SL: Mostly stable now (not as well as I'd like it to be, but it's a lot better than day 1), Limited file support, integrated completely within the 57 and SSL, IMO the best bet for the money, just because I love the 57 and I love the fact I don't need to plug anything else in.

Phat-AL, what are you going to do when you go to a venue and their midi mixer is different than your midi presets? They have no space for a midi mixer at all? You make it seem like the 57 is such a sore because not everyone has it and it doesn't support midi, yet most clubs (esp the ones I've been to out in LA) don't have a midi-capable mixer (most have 57s or 56s).




Last question: When was the last time anyone bitched about Pioneer requiring you to buy a pioneer mixer with video sync capabilities and the vs-1 video switcher in order to properly use the DVJs?

+1

No it doesn't?

eder, Konix is right, it works fine. 1.8.2. does not act any different than 1.8.1/0 in this case.

i smell somethin's fishy with this inklen thingy

how did they able to develop such plugin?

is ssl open source? can we create our own plugin?

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All it takes is someone thats good at programming. I am sure all Inklen did was disassemble source code to SSL, and figured out how to add MixEmergency into it to work. I am not heavily into programming but do remember back in the days of the Comodore 64 and Amiga 2000, I used to disassemble alot! Things dont change too much, just usally more tools to get the job done quicker.

hooked it up today. works very nice. sometimes the video stops (output) but its in beta & im sure it will be working just fine very soon.

I have used this option when they were first released in a nightclub I worked in. Way too expensive of an option for me to own.



Been using VDJ for nearly 3 years now. Works rock solid when configured correctly. There are many quirks I don't like but for the most part it does video GREAT. supports many formats and quality of video output surpasses Serato hands down. And yes.. it seems that it looks like it builds wave form overviews everytime you load a track... I hate that and wish they would address that issue along with no support of tag info on an MP4 (h.264) video file.



I also love the simplicity of just one cable and you're done setting up. I like the mixer because I tend to do more tricks/turntablist tricks when mixing urban/rhythm based tracks. Not a good mixer for house/electronica though.




Currently I am ok with using either option of Virtual DJ or Serato. So if I go into a club with whatever mixer that happens to be midi compatible... then I simply use Virtual DJ hook up my midi cable to it, engage midi, assign sliders/knobs/buttons, and rock the house... takes minutes. If there is NO midi compatible mixer I just use keyboard shortcuts to control everything video related. If there is a ttm57sl... I use Serato video. Would be nice if I just one product only instead though. I like Serato Video and would love to be able to walk into any venue and just use it... but you can't right now. Hopefully in due time.



DJ's who already already paid top $$$ for the DVJ's & could afford to spend a little more for at least the vs-1 switch or the new beast of a mixer from pioneer. Just doesn't seem as practice unless you a resident DJ where the club bought it and you don't tour or travel to other gigs. Not every venue will be able ful-fill that request to have the DVJ's and VS-1 switch. But at least most have turntables and decent mixer in a booth with a laptop stand.

Supported Media

MixEmergency supports mixing and scratching1 of a range of files playable in Quicktime. It is recommended that you extensively test your video files before performing live to avoid any unforeseen issues.
1 Requires external control via Scratch LIVE version 1.8 or greater
Video Files
MixEmergency officially supports and recommends the following video container formats: avi, m4v, mov, mp4, mpeg, mpg and the following video codecs: H.264, Motion JPEG A, Motion JPEG B, MPEG-4.
A limited range of other containers and formats will load1 and play2, but are not recommended for optimal performance and so are not officially supported (e.g. 3gp, dv, divx, xvid, vob, m2v, flv).
1 May require third party codecs to be installed.
2 Several formats are unable to be cached by MixEmergency, and so are not recommended if you require video to be scratched.
Quartz Compositions
MixEmergency supports the loading and playing of Quartz Compositions (.qtz files).


Can anyone confirm that this plays mpeg files with the audio?

If you have the mpeg plug-in from Apple (about $20.00) you can play MPEG files.

Once again everyone, your performance with that will be dependent on the speed of your external hard drive. My recommendation is a hard drive with a 7200rpm drive in it, using a firewire 400 or firewire 800, or an e-sata connection.

Remember you will be running 2 mpeg stream at the same time plus the added stress of manipulating that video by scratching it. Lot's of thruput happening there :)

i been playing around with the Demo and it seems pretty cool... has anyone bought it yet?

***Conspiracy Theory***

Serato (or Nathan) started this Inklen Company...released this Mix Emergency knowing that Serato wouldn't release a non-57 option until it is perfect for SL1 users, but knowing that people were looking for something like this, they would buy it anyway. That way if it doesn't work right it's not tied to the Serato name. I mean come on...."in New Zealand"..."we know the developers"...'ME is NOT a Serato Product...and why only Serato that this programs works with??

Eh,Eh...what do you think? Who agrees??

probably a disgruntled ex-programmer haha

haha... I would belive that if Nathan wasn't the only video programmer for Serato.

he is

Yeah he is the only one, so if he goes so do our video updates....Speaking of updates, have we heard of any news on the next update and what's in it?

next person who incorrectly says the 57 has midi deserves an e-slap

I agree... it isn't MIDI...

instead of an e-slap how about an e-head lock.

or an e-half-nelson,

actually scratch that. maybe took it too far.

Do you have to have a midi in and midi out? I tried it on a DJM 800 and could not get it to recognize the midi or the have the option to change to midi channels. It made a box with an "x" and three dashes.

So im a bit lost, If i have the 57 it wont work with Mix Emergency? Because its not "Technically" MIDI?

Hopefully this company will come up with a sampler plugin too.
I would pay for that.
If Serato doesn't want to do it, hopefully someone else will.