Rane Mixers General Discussion
Wow!! TTM 57SL
Talk about Rane's Mixers for Serato Scratch Live:
the Sixty-Eight, Sixty-Two, Sixty-One, and the TTM 57SL.
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the Sixty-Eight, Sixty-Two, Sixty-One, and the TTM 57SL.
If you require official support please create a help request.
Wow!! TTM 57SL
nik39
9:23 PM - 18 January, 2006
I am officially dying. Come on... we knew they had something in their pipe ;-)
Taken from rane.com <- pdf, click :
★ Two Input Buses
✫ PGM 1 selects: Analog 1, Analog 2, Digital 1, Digital 2
✫ PGM 2 selects: Analog 3, Analog 4, Digital 1, Digital 2
✫ All analog inputs are phono or line capable
✫ Input Gain and Left/Right Pan controls
✫ 3-band, full cut Tone controls with Kill switches
★ Magnetic faders for Channel Faders and Crossfader
✫ Non-contact magnetic position sensor technology. No travel noise - No bleed - Ever!
✫ Independent Contour and Reverse controls
★ Microphone Input with Engage switch, Level control and 2-band Tone control
★ Three sets of Outputs, each with independent Level controls
✫ Main Out on XLR (balanced)
✫ Booth Out on ¼" TRS (balanced)
✫ Auxiliary Out on RCA (unbalanced)
★ Assign Program 1, Program 2 or Both to external FlexFx loop
★ Internal Filter and Delay Effects with six possible insert points
✫ Pre- or Post-channel faders for Program 1 and Program 2
✫ Main Mix
✫ Auxiliary Input Bus
★ Headphone Cue Monitor includes Cue Pan, Main Mix select and Level
★ 8-channels of Streaming Audio
✫ 16 bit / 44.1 kHz Streaming Audio
✫ Four channels from computer
✬ Stereo source Digital 1 and Digital 2
✫ Four channels to computer
✬ Stereo Record 1 and Record 2
★ Stereo Recording
✫ Record 1 and Record 2 may record:
✬ Pre- or Post-channel faders for Program 1 or Program 2
✬ Main Mix
✬ Auxiliary Input Bus
★ Vinyl / CD Control Inputs
✫ Stereo Record 1 may be used for 4-channels of control
✫ Select Analog 1 or Analog 2 for Control Input 1
✫ Select Analog 3 or Analog 4 for Control Input 2
★ Additional “soft” mixer controls used by Scratch LIVE & internal effects
✫ Foot switch input (Inputs on Tip and Ring; foot switch not included)
✫ Deck 1-2 switch
✫ Group switch
✫ B1 - B6 programmable switches
✫ P1 - P2 programmable Encoders with push switches
✫ J1 - J2 programmable Joysticks with push switches
★ USB firmware updates
★ Internal, universal switching power supply
That sounds like a new SSL hardware built inside.
ASIO drivers, plus
✫ Record 1 and Record 2 may record:
✬ Pre- or Post-channel faders for Program 1 or Program 2
✬ Main Mix
✬ Auxiliary Input Bus
Thats HOT! You can record PGM1+PGM2 post fader, seperately!! Kill me.
Taken from rane.com <- pdf, click :
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TTM 57SL Hardware Features★ Two Input Buses
✫ PGM 1 selects: Analog 1, Analog 2, Digital 1, Digital 2
✫ PGM 2 selects: Analog 3, Analog 4, Digital 1, Digital 2
✫ All analog inputs are phono or line capable
✫ Input Gain and Left/Right Pan controls
✫ 3-band, full cut Tone controls with Kill switches
★ Magnetic faders for Channel Faders and Crossfader
✫ Non-contact magnetic position sensor technology. No travel noise - No bleed - Ever!
✫ Independent Contour and Reverse controls
★ Microphone Input with Engage switch, Level control and 2-band Tone control
★ Three sets of Outputs, each with independent Level controls
✫ Main Out on XLR (balanced)
✫ Booth Out on ¼" TRS (balanced)
✫ Auxiliary Out on RCA (unbalanced)
★ Assign Program 1, Program 2 or Both to external FlexFx loop
★ Internal Filter and Delay Effects with six possible insert points
✫ Pre- or Post-channel faders for Program 1 and Program 2
✫ Main Mix
✫ Auxiliary Input Bus
★ Headphone Cue Monitor includes Cue Pan, Main Mix select and Level
★ 8-channels of Streaming Audio
✫ 16 bit / 44.1 kHz Streaming Audio
✫ Four channels from computer
✬ Stereo source Digital 1 and Digital 2
✫ Four channels to computer
✬ Stereo Record 1 and Record 2
★ Stereo Recording
✫ Record 1 and Record 2 may record:
✬ Pre- or Post-channel faders for Program 1 or Program 2
✬ Main Mix
✬ Auxiliary Input Bus
★ Vinyl / CD Control Inputs
✫ Stereo Record 1 may be used for 4-channels of control
✫ Select Analog 1 or Analog 2 for Control Input 1
✫ Select Analog 3 or Analog 4 for Control Input 2
★ Additional “soft” mixer controls used by Scratch LIVE & internal effects
✫ Foot switch input (Inputs on Tip and Ring; foot switch not included)
✫ Deck 1-2 switch
✫ Group switch
✫ B1 - B6 programmable switches
✫ P1 - P2 programmable Encoders with push switches
✫ J1 - J2 programmable Joysticks with push switches
★ USB firmware updates
★ Internal, universal switching power supply
That sounds like a new SSL hardware built inside.
ASIO drivers, plus
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★ Stereo Recording✫ Record 1 and Record 2 may record:
✬ Pre- or Post-channel faders for Program 1 or Program 2
✬ Main Mix
✬ Auxiliary Input Bus
Thats HOT! You can record PGM1+PGM2 post fader, seperately!! Kill me.
nik39
9:24 PM - 18 January, 2006
BTW, thanks yuri for being responsible for my death (he pointed out this to me). And of course you Rane and Serato geeks! ;-)
Deft
9:33 PM - 18 January, 2006
Shame you can't do the post fader recording on each channel whilst using control signals though.
yuri
9:42 PM - 18 January, 2006
huh why would you say that. It says records prog 1 and 2 post fader.
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Shame you can't do the post fader recording on each channel whilst using control signals though.huh why would you say that. It says records prog 1 and 2 post fader.
clintonf
9:49 PM - 18 January, 2006
You could of given us the "heads up" - You Serato/Rane people you!!!!
Anyway, having just purchased SSL and TTM56, I'm not mad!!!
Well done.
Anyway, having just purchased SSL and TTM56, I'm not mad!!!
Well done.
DJMark
9:50 PM - 18 January, 2006
Looks great...now I want one with more channels and rotary faders :-).
Deft
9:54 PM - 18 January, 2006
That's what it implies in the .pdf. Either record a single stereo mix whilst using control signals or inidividual channels whilst using normal vinyl / cd players. I guess it can't do an effective 10-channel count.
Detroitbootybass
9:57 PM - 18 January, 2006
Oops... I guess not.
" J1 - J2 programmable Joysticks with push switches"
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Are those transformer/toggle switches at J1 and J2?Oops... I guess not.
" J1 - J2 programmable Joysticks with push switches"
yuri
9:58 PM - 18 January, 2006
deft.. interesting.
j1 and j2 are joysticks.. for internal mode and effects? maybe
j1 and j2 are joysticks.. for internal mode and effects? maybe
Deft
10:07 PM - 18 January, 2006
Actually I meant 10-channel count is max - would need 12 for control vinyl + post-fader individual feeds.
DJ Silk
10:55 PM - 18 January, 2006
Oh my gosh...I think that I just orgasmed. I'm saving my pennies already.
The timing is perfect...I was thinking about getting another 56, but this will do me much better.
The timing is perfect...I was thinking about getting another 56, but this will do me much better.
mexicannnnnn
10:58 PM - 18 January, 2006
HOT HOT HOT!!!
I'm saving up for it now.
Anyone interested in a TTM56 + SSL? ;-)
I'm saving up for it now.
Anyone interested in a TTM56 + SSL? ;-)
anewsome
10:59 PM - 18 January, 2006
That is about the most ridiculous mixer I have ever seen. I almost fainted reading the PDF. I seriously don't know what to say. That is one dope ass mixer.
Zion-Prayz
11:22 PM - 18 January, 2006
Augghhhh!!!!
A few hints would have been nice :( I would have saved my money instead buying a new mixer and effects unit. Oh well, I know my future mixer won't be a DJM-909 now.
A few hints would have been nice :( I would have saved my money instead buying a new mixer and effects unit. Oh well, I know my future mixer won't be a DJM-909 now.
Anton
11:53 PM - 18 January, 2006
Impressive unit. I would buy one )B
But i think there is no reason (except effects and recording - but there are many more powerful tools for that) to move from 56 + SSL to it?
And in some places you can't install you own mixer, so SSL (SL-1) itself gives more flexibility and mobility.
So for perfomances, home practice and permanent installations it's dope. For traveling club djs and 56 owners - may be not.
Another interesting thing - it's still 16/44 and USB. This means that will be no hardware update for SSL in near future?
But i think there is no reason (except effects and recording - but there are many more powerful tools for that) to move from 56 + SSL to it?
And in some places you can't install you own mixer, so SSL (SL-1) itself gives more flexibility and mobility.
So for perfomances, home practice and permanent installations it's dope. For traveling club djs and 56 owners - may be not.
Another interesting thing - it's still 16/44 and USB. This means that will be no hardware update for SSL in near future?
AirFoil
12:00 AM - 19 January, 2006
AGHSJAJHBABXZMAYUYIYOQJKASHAJKLHSAJSIOQUOIUOQU!!!!
I...I...shit.
I...I...shit.
nik39
12:01 AM - 19 January, 2006
It must be USB2 else you couldnt handle 8 channels concurrently. So thats an upgrade definitly. I wonder how long it will be til you get an advanced SSL interface/SSL2.
DeezNotes
12:03 AM - 19 January, 2006
I agree. This would be great for club installations and radio stations. I'd like to see this replace all the old MP24's I've come across at various clubs.
nik39
12:06 AM - 19 January, 2006
Ah, sorry, what a junk I wrote. I am too excited about this. 8 channels is already that what the current SSL can do, its even 9 channels (incl. the mono mic channel).
nik39
12:09 AM - 19 January, 2006
So it looks like it is as Deft wrote, either you use the digital files - then you can only record the mix, not each chan separately... *tears*
But lets see.
But lets see.
Deft
12:10 AM - 19 January, 2006
Nik, surely the SL-1 already does 8-channels? 4 for the control vinyl, 4 for the output. This only allows an extra 2 for recording a stereo mix.
Deft
12:12 AM - 19 January, 2006
Beat me to it. Anyway, still probably the first mixer that I've actually wanted to buy in the last 5 years or so.
Anton
12:15 AM - 19 January, 2006
If the specs are the same - whats the point of SSL upgrade? Stereo recording, additional channels, footswitch?
Hope for Serato comments - I'll buy original SSL next week and I don't want to sell it next two months for example.
Hope for Serato comments - I'll buy original SSL next week and I don't want to sell it next two months for example.
punosion
12:17 AM - 19 January, 2006
X_Trodinaire, dunno but let's guess. I'm guessing $1K?
Feverishly debating my next mixer purchase, I still think the Empath Rotary might have the slight edge for the mixologists who already own SSL. This mixer looks incredible, but I'd still like one more rotary-controlled line with EQ.
Feverishly debating my next mixer purchase, I still think the Empath Rotary might have the slight edge for the mixologists who already own SSL. This mixer looks incredible, but I'd still like one more rotary-controlled line with EQ.
Anton
12:21 AM - 19 January, 2006
i think we need to separate this treads - 57 and SSL update - now this post looks little tangled
and sorry for my english
and sorry for my english
nik39
12:27 AM - 19 January, 2006
Anton, dont worry, your english is fine :) As long as we do understand you ;)
skinnyguy
12:28 AM - 19 January, 2006
aww....no split cue or transform switches? otherwise, great mixer! interested to know more about those 6 buttons and joystick things....
on the ssl screenshot...is that 1.5? i see "key shift"...something along the lines of Pitch-n-Time?
on the ssl screenshot...is that 1.5? i see "key shift"...something along the lines of Pitch-n-Time?
nik39
12:30 AM - 19 January, 2006
Nah, couldnt find any of these in 1.5. Hope we can see this in 1.6 :)
Shaun W
12:40 AM - 19 January, 2006
Surprise!!!
The TTM57SL definitely takes SSL to the next level. Controlling the software with the TTM57SL instead of your keyboard/mouse is absolutely amazing.
The TTM57SL definitely takes SSL to the next level. Controlling the software with the TTM57SL instead of your keyboard/mouse is absolutely amazing.
nik39
12:41 AM - 19 January, 2006
No, you cant get away with that... what about all the questions we have? :)
Shaun W
12:42 AM - 19 January, 2006
The joysticks act as multidirectional transform switches, my man :)
Shaun W
12:47 AM - 19 January, 2006
Dang, would you look at the time. Sorry guys, it's time for me to go home, seriously :-)
mexicannnnnn
12:59 AM - 19 January, 2006
Fine, go home. I'll just have to call you at the office first them tomorrow when you start your shift to remind you to come back and answer questions....
Actually you'll probably be going to NAMM... Can someone go and take pics and ask questions and post back?
Actually you'll probably be going to NAMM... Can someone go and take pics and ask questions and post back?
mexicannnnnn
2:07 AM - 19 January, 2006
Smooth where did you find that from?
Look only 1 phono post.
Look only 1 phono post.
DJ A Smooth
2:13 AM - 19 January, 2006
one of the dealers found out... and posted it on denondjforums.com
DJ_X_Trodinaire
2:43 AM - 19 January, 2006
i found the price too and i do use empath and SSL currently
punosion
3:48 AM - 19 January, 2006
Woah, way off...I guess the necessary hardware isn't so cheap...
DJ_X_Trodinaire
3:50 AM - 19 January, 2006
what is the size of the up fader??
compared to the empath
looks short from the pictures
compared to the empath
looks short from the pictures
mexicannnnnn
4:22 AM - 19 January, 2006
HA. They would never think of it.
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so whats the trade in deal with this thing???HA. They would never think of it.
DJ_X_Trodinaire
4:27 AM - 19 January, 2006
buy this and use the spare as a back up ;) thats the plan!
thxj
4:38 AM - 19 January, 2006
This is just amazing.... So cool.... I wonder what version of SSL showing with that?
DJ Dynamight
5:54 AM - 19 January, 2006
This thing is absof*ckinglutely insane.
I [heart] Rane/Serato.
I [heart] Rane/Serato.
Dj Karl-R
7:39 AM - 19 January, 2006
now make a 4 channel one so i can convince the club owners they need to buy it instead of the new pioneers
DJ SHY
8:03 AM - 19 January, 2006
yes...this is def. a monster...I was able to check it out today ....this is def. a solid although expensive($1799) kit...but for those serious DJ's...(like myself), its an obvious def. buy...time to go diggin in the sofa for loose change!!!
DJMark
8:09 AM - 19 January, 2006
Yes, please. Build that into an MP44 (call it MP66?), give the option of rotary faders (please!) and build in two banks of nice CDJ-style transport controls.
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now make a 4 channel one so i can convince the club owners they need to buy it instead of the new pioneersYes, please. Build that into an MP44 (call it MP66?), give the option of rotary faders (please!) and build in two banks of nice CDJ-style transport controls.
The Axledental DJ
8:11 AM - 19 January, 2006
I hope SSL and Rane will be around after the NAMM show to answer questions? I'd like to ask what the SSL GUI for the TT 57SL Picth & Key Shift are for? What is Picth bend and Shuttle do?
Steve M
8:29 AM - 19 January, 2006
OK folks, it's after midnight on the first day of NAMM and in moments, Sam will be posting more TTM 57SL details in the News section that should answer some questions. Come see it in action at NAMM in Anaheim, CA. It ships in April (assuming no parts vendors screw all of us by shipping the things we've alredy ordered after their promise dates).
Whew!
Whew!
Sam
8:38 AM - 19 January, 2006
The coolest thing about it (for me, anyway) is being able to control Scratch LIVE from the mixer itself - there are 6 buttons, 2 joysticks and 2 parameter knobs that can be used to control almost anything in the software .. scroll through your crates and library using the knobs, transform with the joysticks, censor with the joysticks... play in REL, switch to ABS, needle drop, and switch back to REL in about 1.5 seconds, set loops, and adjust the end points with the knobs, record from one source (eg mic) and load it to a turntable without touching the computer, pitch bend ... you can do a whole mix in internal mode straight from the mixer... this thing is BRAND new, I got my first REAL play with it today, it's even cooler than I thought it would be :D
KMXE
8:51 AM - 19 January, 2006
i think a lot of folks here are gonna lose girlfriends and wives over this...... im absolutely drooling. i love the red skulls next to the eq knobs..... this is a stunning mixer. its gonna take me forever to get my hands on one though.... so can u guys have a competition to win one, and let me win it? :)
Sam
9:05 AM - 19 January, 2006
I'm going to attempt to answer some of your questions ... it's USB 1, like the SL 1, however it uses magic. It does have split cue, and transform switches. Key Shift was for the new Key Control feature (aka master tempo) which we were hoping to show at NAMM, but unfortunately it's not quite ready. MAP is not $1700, it's cheaper than that. Faders are the same as a 56 - shorter than the empath.
KMXE
9:06 AM - 19 January, 2006
oh snap.... combine this with a tablet (so u only look at the screen and foldaway the keyboard) and you have the most compact digital dj system ever!
Steve W
9:21 AM - 19 January, 2006
I'll elaborate a little on the recording capabilities. This is a USB1.1 audio device that supports 8 streaming channels of audio. In terms of bandwidth utilization this mixer actually uses less than the SL 1. Even so, it adds the ability to record your mix while using two control records or CDs.
How can this be? Well what we've done is moved some of the processing that Scratch LIVE does into a DSP chip built into the mixer. In the current implementation that means half as much data needs to be sent over the USB connection, so reading both control records consumes just 1 of the available stereo pairs to the computer.
Actually this will be possible. I can't say for sure if the software will support it on ship day, but the mixer was definitely designed with this in mind. We weren't willing to list a feature that we weren't sure would be ready when the mixer first ships.
How can this be? Well what we've done is moved some of the processing that Scratch LIVE does into a DSP chip built into the mixer. In the current implementation that means half as much data needs to be sent over the USB connection, so reading both control records consumes just 1 of the available stereo pairs to the computer.
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Shame you can't do the post fader recording on each channel whilst using control signals though.Actually this will be possible. I can't say for sure if the software will support it on ship day, but the mixer was definitely designed with this in mind. We weren't willing to list a feature that we weren't sure would be ready when the mixer first ships.
T-One
9:21 AM - 19 January, 2006
holy shit!
this mixer is a killer mixer....with Rane quality inside....you are reaching a high level in the Dj world!
Do you know what will be the price of this mixer?
this mixer is a killer mixer....with Rane quality inside....you are reaching a high level in the Dj world!
Do you know what will be the price of this mixer?
Revolutionary
9:29 AM - 19 January, 2006
Competition, competition, competition!
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so can u guys have a competition to win one, and let me win it? :)Competition, competition, competition!
Steve W
9:32 AM - 19 January, 2006
The US list price (MSRP) is $1799. You can work out for yourself what MAP / street etc will be.
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Do you know what will be the price of this mixer?The US list price (MSRP) is $1799. You can work out for yourself what MAP / street etc will be.
clintonf
9:33 AM - 19 January, 2006
The US list price (MSRP) is $1799. You can work out for yourself what MAP / street etc will be.
What can we expect for uk prices?
Will you have the same setup for the power supply as you currently do with the TTM56? That is have a 2 pin plug and have a 3 pin case?
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Do you know what will be the price of this mixer?The US list price (MSRP) is $1799. You can work out for yourself what MAP / street etc will be.
What can we expect for uk prices?
Will you have the same setup for the power supply as you currently do with the TTM56? That is have a 2 pin plug and have a 3 pin case?
Sam
9:37 AM - 19 January, 2006
No, it's an IEC cord, same as the Empath ... also known as a "jug cord" in some parts of the world
dGutz
9:44 AM - 19 January, 2006
Hey guys, what about the other part of our wonderful society. For those of us, like myself, who aren't lucky enough to play in clubs often and are stuck with mobiles, how about a MP44 version. 19" Rack Mountable, and all the features of the 44. Then I'll be in heaven too!! :)
nik39
9:48 AM - 19 January, 2006
Aww man, couldnt you have posted earlier? I had a long night in my bed, thinking how you could compress those channels and then I thought, no, you werent going to move the interpretation of the timecode into the mixer. Anyway, next night will be a night with sleep again :-)
Actually this will be possible. I can't say for sure if the software will support it on ship day, but the mixer was definitely designed with this in mind. We weren't willing to list a feature that we weren't sure would be ready when the mixer first ships.
That'd be really awesome. If we could at the same time record the main mix as well... freaking.
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How can this be? Well what we've done is moved some of the processing that Scratch LIVE does into a DSP chip built into the mixer. In the current implementation that means half as much data needs to be sent over the USB connection, so reading both control records consumes just 1 of the available stereo pairs to the computer.Aww man, couldnt you have posted earlier? I had a long night in my bed, thinking how you could compress those channels and then I thought, no, you werent going to move the interpretation of the timecode into the mixer. Anyway, next night will be a night with sleep again :-)
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Shame you can't do the post fader recording on each channel whilst using control signals though.Actually this will be possible. I can't say for sure if the software will support it on ship day, but the mixer was definitely designed with this in mind. We weren't willing to list a feature that we weren't sure would be ready when the mixer first ships.
That'd be really awesome. If we could at the same time record the main mix as well... freaking.
B-Lo
9:56 AM - 19 January, 2006
well i am glad that i spent so much time figuring out how to do the SSL install into my mixer. at least my friends are intrested in it so i can sell my Frankenstien and then get the real deal. but then again i am pretty impressed eith what i made so i might keep it for the sentimental value :))
B-Lo
9:58 AM - 19 January, 2006
and for everyone who cant affford this right away i'll still be posting the info on how i did the poor man's conversion.
Anton
9:58 AM - 19 January, 2006
Yes, i'd think last night about it too )) I think that there is no reason to transfer fullscale 16/44 control signal to the computer - so i decide about downsampling or something. But if control signal is reading by hardware - that's means less computer load too?
nik39
10:01 AM - 19 January, 2006
Anton, I remember someone from the mods said that the control signal would compress very well. But that would add additional latency. Downsampling would be an option. MAybe the signal is interpreted in the mixer, with a programmable updateable DSP, and only the relevant information is being transferred via USB.
B-Lo
10:06 AM - 19 January, 2006
is anyone else hoping that the empath gets this and a SSL update to run three decks or am the only one wanting a feature like this?
gavinr
10:16 AM - 19 January, 2006
Damn that does look the sex :)
Would be nice to see a four channel version of the mixer though, when are we likely to see this in the flesh in the UK?
Would be nice to see a four channel version of the mixer though, when are we likely to see this in the flesh in the UK?
boabmatic
10:25 AM - 19 January, 2006
spec for this mixer is great... was going to pick up a 909 to go with my 56 as the guy I DJ with just picked up a 909 but the ability to control serato with the mixer is amazin.
one question... the spec says...
★ Internal Filter and Delay Effects with six possible insert points
✫ Pre- or Post-channel faders for Program 1 and Program 2
✫ Main Mix
✫ Auxiliary Input Bus
but don't see anything about effects on the faceplate except the fxloop?
one question... the spec says...
★ Internal Filter and Delay Effects with six possible insert points
✫ Pre- or Post-channel faders for Program 1 and Program 2
✫ Main Mix
✫ Auxiliary Input Bus
but don't see anything about effects on the faceplate except the fxloop?
Hektor Ruiez
11:25 AM - 19 January, 2006
@ rane / serato - will you be doing trade-ins on the rane ttm56 and sl1? hope this thing isn't to pricey...
boabmatic
12:05 PM - 19 January, 2006
best to keep your SL1 incase you play anywhere that you can't swap in your nice new TTM57SL.
just don't see anybody that uses serato not wanting this mixer :)
just don't see anybody that uses serato not wanting this mixer :)
djphilly
12:31 PM - 19 January, 2006
i won SSL in the Vinyl Kombat raffle in 04... any chance of that happening with this?! HAHAH
Freddagreat
1:56 PM - 19 January, 2006
I Know where my income tax refund is going...(I'm drooling thinging about that mixer)
DJ Irv
3:57 PM - 19 January, 2006
if a ttm street price is about 700USD and a SSL's stret price is about 500 does that meant this thing will cost about 1200. Make sure you guys big up Akeim for this. Hell he should get a free one the way I see it....
Steve M
4:13 PM - 19 January, 2006
At the NAMM show, we're showing delay and filter, but we're working on more before we ship. New effects can be downloaded as we complete them. The software lets you insert the effects in 6 places, with up to 4 effects total running at one time, maximum - which is when we run out of DSP power. So more than 4 running simultaneously just don't fit unless we begin disabling other, much more important parts of the mixer, say, for example, the 3 magnetic faders. ;)
The Group button lets you bring up the effects controls and adjust them to your heart's content right on the mixer with the screen showing you what the buttons are currently assigned to. The Footswitch jack on the front (next to the 1/4 & 1/8 inch headphone jacks) allows you to set the tap tempo for the delay, for example.
The effects are DSP algorithms and run in the mixer, so they fully operate with the USB cable unplugged; yes they operate without Scratch LIVE. The mixer works perfectly as a stand alone mixer, you just won't get audio via USB when USB is not plugged in (of course).
The Group button lets you bring up the effects controls and adjust them to your heart's content right on the mixer with the screen showing you what the buttons are currently assigned to. The Footswitch jack on the front (next to the 1/4 & 1/8 inch headphone jacks) allows you to set the tap tempo for the delay, for example.
The effects are DSP algorithms and run in the mixer, so they fully operate with the USB cable unplugged; yes they operate without Scratch LIVE. The mixer works perfectly as a stand alone mixer, you just won't get audio via USB when USB is not plugged in (of course).
clintonf
4:25 PM - 19 January, 2006
What are the dimensions of the mixer? How does size compare to the TTM56?
Will any of these effect features be made available to the owners of the 56/SSL and would it require another box to house the DSP processor?
Ta
Will any of these effect features be made available to the owners of the 56/SSL and would it require another box to house the DSP processor?
Ta
Chita79
4:26 PM - 19 January, 2006
hey steve/sam... can you guys elaborate on when you predict the master tempo will be ready for all SSL users? ;) it looks like its coming soon if it will be offered in the TTM57SL mixer. Thanks again :)
DJ Yaz
4:29 PM - 19 January, 2006
First of all.... Holy Shit!
Next...
Actually this will be possible. I can't say for sure if the software will support it on ship day, but the mixer was definitely designed with this in mind. We weren't willing to list a feature that we weren't sure would be ready when the mixer first ships.
...so does this mean I will be able to record both channels of my mix and the master output? Then I could for example go back and re-edit mixes with Ableton? NO!?! That would make us all podcasting monsters! If we could record all of our live stuff and clean it up easily that would change the world of music!
Tell me this is what I'm hearing...
Next...
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Shame you can't do the post fader recording on each channel whilst using control signals though.Actually this will be possible. I can't say for sure if the software will support it on ship day, but the mixer was definitely designed with this in mind. We weren't willing to list a feature that we weren't sure would be ready when the mixer first ships.
...so does this mean I will be able to record both channels of my mix and the master output? Then I could for example go back and re-edit mixes with Ableton? NO!?! That would make us all podcasting monsters! If we could record all of our live stuff and clean it up easily that would change the world of music!
Tell me this is what I'm hearing...
The Axledental DJ
4:32 PM - 19 January, 2006
I have a bunch of mixer button questions:
1. Can you explain how the buttons feel and work? For example: is the joystick on the mixer a 4-way joystick?
2. Are the B1-B6 buttons spring loaded push-in type buttons? How would they work as CUE and PLAY buttons?
3. Do the P1 and P2 Knobs allow to push in to be able to be assigned for another function in SSL or do they just rotate left and right?
4. How does the Deck 1 - 2 Button function as a button? Press in and its recessed meaning that Deck 1 is engaged?
5. How does the Group button feel and function? Like the Deck 1/2 button?
6. What SSL s/w features will not make it in the standalone SSL + SL1?
7. Is Key Shift built into the DSP chip inside the mixer for Master Tempo or is it still in SSL s/w?
8. What will be the new PC and Mac system requirements for the TTM57SL's SSL s/w?
This will help me in deciding to upgrade my old Denon X400 to your new TTM57SL mixer.
Thanks alot.
The Axledental DJ
1. Can you explain how the buttons feel and work? For example: is the joystick on the mixer a 4-way joystick?
2. Are the B1-B6 buttons spring loaded push-in type buttons? How would they work as CUE and PLAY buttons?
3. Do the P1 and P2 Knobs allow to push in to be able to be assigned for another function in SSL or do they just rotate left and right?
4. How does the Deck 1 - 2 Button function as a button? Press in and its recessed meaning that Deck 1 is engaged?
5. How does the Group button feel and function? Like the Deck 1/2 button?
6. What SSL s/w features will not make it in the standalone SSL + SL1?
7. Is Key Shift built into the DSP chip inside the mixer for Master Tempo or is it still in SSL s/w?
8. What will be the new PC and Mac system requirements for the TTM57SL's SSL s/w?
This will help me in deciding to upgrade my old Denon X400 to your new TTM57SL mixer.
Thanks alot.
The Axledental DJ
punosion
4:42 PM - 19 January, 2006
I'm sure the styling will slightly change a few times before release, but I'm sure it won't change too much at all. When you look at the mixer, it won't look all space-age like it has to have some sort of crazy high-tech gadgets. Just like the TTM56...so simple and unassuming, but it's the best scratch mixer out there. Nice black suit, simple labels, no extra artwork everywhere...I friggin' love that.
DJ Yaz
4:49 PM - 19 January, 2006
Ok another question... Will you consider releasing a seperate product that will have all the Serato controls... or could we map all these functions to a powermate or a joystick or something?
Sam
4:54 PM - 19 January, 2006
1. Can you explain how the buttons feel and work? For example: is the joystick on the mixer a 4-way joystick?
yes, 4 way
2. Are the B1-B6 buttons spring loaded push-in type buttons? How would they work as CUE and PLAY buttons?
yes - they are GREAT for cue and play
3. Do the P1 and P2 Knobs allow to push in to be able to be assigned for another function in SSL or do they just rotate left and right?
turn, and push and turn
4. How does the Deck 1 - 2 Button function as a button? Press in and its recessed meaning that Deck 1 is engaged?
It switches the focus of all the buttons/joysticks/knobs between deck one and two. It doesn't latch down, there is a lit number 1 and 2 on the mixer to indicate which deck you are working with.
5. How does the Group button feel and function? Like the Deck 1/2 button?
yes
6. What SSL s/w features will not make it in the standalone SSL + SL1?
only those that are hardware dependent - such as recording your mix, and support for the control surface.
7. Is Key Shift built into the DSP chip inside the mixer for Master Tempo or is it still in SSL s/w?
In software
8. What will be the new PC and Mac system requirements for the TTM57SL's SSL s/w?
As for the SL 1, but the Mac minimum OS spec has gone up to 10.3
yes, 4 way
2. Are the B1-B6 buttons spring loaded push-in type buttons? How would they work as CUE and PLAY buttons?
yes - they are GREAT for cue and play
3. Do the P1 and P2 Knobs allow to push in to be able to be assigned for another function in SSL or do they just rotate left and right?
turn, and push and turn
4. How does the Deck 1 - 2 Button function as a button? Press in and its recessed meaning that Deck 1 is engaged?
It switches the focus of all the buttons/joysticks/knobs between deck one and two. It doesn't latch down, there is a lit number 1 and 2 on the mixer to indicate which deck you are working with.
5. How does the Group button feel and function? Like the Deck 1/2 button?
yes
6. What SSL s/w features will not make it in the standalone SSL + SL1?
only those that are hardware dependent - such as recording your mix, and support for the control surface.
7. Is Key Shift built into the DSP chip inside the mixer for Master Tempo or is it still in SSL s/w?
In software
8. What will be the new PC and Mac system requirements for the TTM57SL's SSL s/w?
As for the SL 1, but the Mac minimum OS spec has gone up to 10.3
Chita79
4:55 PM - 19 January, 2006
7. Is Key Shift built into the DSP chip inside the mixer for Master Tempo or is it still in SSL s/w?
8. What will be the new PC and Mac system requirements for the TTM57SL's SSL s/w?
The Axledental DJ
What he said! :D
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7. Is Key Shift built into the DSP chip inside the mixer for Master Tempo or is it still in SSL s/w?
8. What will be the new PC and Mac system requirements for the TTM57SL's SSL s/w?
The Axledental DJ
What he said! :D
capo di exmixah
4:55 PM - 19 January, 2006
Well fuck a duck and shoot the drake. I saw this mixer for the first time yesterday and my jaws fell to the floor. Come to think of it, it's still there. This machine is one sexy beast! In my native Jamaican parlance "what a bumbo claat!"
clintonf
5:00 PM - 19 January, 2006
Will any of these effect features be made available to the owners of the 56/SSL and would it require another box to house the DSP processor?
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What are the dimensions of the mixer? How does size compare to the TTM56?Will any of these effect features be made available to the owners of the 56/SSL and would it require another box to house the DSP processor?
Ta
nik39
5:01 PM - 19 January, 2006
Thats great. Now I am an official internet geek. I havent met her yet, but I fell in love with her, met her through the rane website. Its gonna be long endless sleepless nights til I can meet her and touch her.
I just hope my girlfriend doesnt read this.
I just hope my girlfriend doesnt read this.
B-Lo
5:03 PM - 19 January, 2006
I just hope my girlfriend doesnt read this.
only a geek if you can find pictures pf her naked so we can see what makes her tick
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Thats great. Now I am an official internet geek. I havent met her yet, but I fell in love with her, met her through the rane website. Its gonna be long endless sleepless nights til I can meet her and touch her.I just hope my girlfriend doesnt read this.
only a geek if you can find pictures pf her naked so we can see what makes her tick
Steve M
5:04 PM - 19 January, 2006
You're welcome. Sam and Steve W are rocking on questions too! Off to the show for the day. Later folks.
boabmatic
5:10 PM - 19 January, 2006
wish I could make to NAMM to try it out, but its a bit far to travel as I'm in scotland... :(
Steve M
5:11 PM - 19 January, 2006
Not certain enough on the dimensions to put it in writing here (don't have them on me). I'll ask the designers today and get back to you after 6 pm west coast time (no internet access at the show - didn't want to pay the insane cost). It's pretty close to the TTM 56 though, maybe a bit taller from front (headphone) to back (I/O Jacks)?
The effects will not be available in the TTM 56/SL 1 combo since the they have no DSP to run them.
The effects will not be available in the TTM 56/SL 1 combo since the they have no DSP to run them.
kidjay
5:12 PM - 19 January, 2006
I got a look at this mixer at NAMM this morning...HOLY SH!@ I will have time tomorrow to spend some time with the Rane/Serato People and this mixer...I CANT WAIT
B-Lo
5:15 PM - 19 January, 2006
i'm in germany i start hitch-hiking tonight...if i get a ride i'll make sure we pick you up
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wish I could make to NAMM to try it out, but its a bit far to travel as I'm in scotland... :(i'm in germany i start hitch-hiking tonight...if i get a ride i'll make sure we pick you up
nik39
5:21 PM - 19 January, 2006
I am in as well. Germany. :) And I am waiting for your email *hint*
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i'm in germany i start hitch-hiking tonight...if i get a ride i'll make sure we pick you upI am in as well. Germany. :) And I am waiting for your email *hint*
punosion
5:24 PM - 19 January, 2006
Hmm, North Dakota -> California? Maybe, just maybe...
Those joysticks sound like wicked fun!
Those joysticks sound like wicked fun!
Chita79
5:36 PM - 19 January, 2006
is Rane showing off the "unfinished" master tempo feature at NAMM as well? did anyone get to see that yet? :)
K-Dubb
5:40 PM - 19 January, 2006
Hey, will any of these enhancements that the TTM 56 mixer will provide be added upgrades for the 1.5 or 1.6 version? For example, the quick analyzing, recording full mixes, etc.
rubidj
6:25 PM - 19 January, 2006
The effects will not be available in the TTM 56/SL 1 combo since the they have no DSP to run them.
will we have then a new sl?
And a new ttm56 with : "All analog inputs are phono or line capable"?
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Not certain enough on the dimensions to put it in writing here (don't have them on me). I'll ask the designers today and get back to you after 6 pm west coast time (no internet access at the show - didn't want to pay the insane cost). It's pretty close to the TTM 56 though, maybe a bit taller from front (headphone) to back (I/O Jacks)?The effects will not be available in the TTM 56/SL 1 combo since the they have no DSP to run them.
will we have then a new sl?
And a new ttm56 with : "All analog inputs are phono or line capable"?
SloMocean
6:34 PM - 19 January, 2006
djdeals.com has the preorder price at $999.00 USD ... is this correct? If that's right ... oh mama ...
nik39
6:40 PM - 19 January, 2006
Anyone remembers djdawns photoshop TTM56+SSL? scratchlive.net <- clikc :)
click
6:59 PM - 19 January, 2006
Does this mean with the new controls you never have to touch your computur while your in performance???????????
nik39
7:05 PM - 19 January, 2006
I miss a super mini sized screen on the mixer, that would make it unnecessary to look at the laptop at all.
B-Lo
7:07 PM - 19 January, 2006
or just get a tablet instead of a laptop, then all you see is the screen.
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I miss a super mini sized screen on the mixer, that would make it unnecessary to look at the laptop at all.or just get a tablet instead of a laptop, then all you see is the screen.
sixxx
7:19 PM - 19 January, 2006
or get a couple of 'screens" surgically placed on your corneas then you won't have to look at anything. Of course, people will think you're on drugs cause you keep "blankin" out and looking like you're daydreaming. ;)
B-Lo
7:27 PM - 19 January, 2006
Of course, people will think you're on drugs cause you keep "blankin" out and looking like you're daydreaming. ;)
thats how i,ve been allday looking at this forum and the mixer. then i saw the price and now i wonder if i can train my kid to use the lawn because no diapers for a few months would pay for it :)
thats how i,ve been allday looking at this forum and the mixer. then i saw the price and now i wonder if i can train my kid to use the lawn because no diapers for a few months would pay for it :)
DJ Irv
7:32 PM - 19 January, 2006
I am still waiting to see the pricing on this thing. If it's not too crazy I will get rid of my TTM54 and SL1 and pick one this week.
SloMocean
7:43 PM - 19 January, 2006
They aren't shipping until April tho...
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djdeals.com has the preorder price at $999.00 USDThey aren't shipping until April tho...
Konix
7:44 PM - 19 January, 2006
I don't know if we can mention prices here, but djdeals has this up on their website with a price...
www.djdeals.com
www.djdeals.com
DJ Irv
7:49 PM - 19 January, 2006
that's not a lot to pay for what you are getting. Does this mixer come with magnetic faders. I am tired for replacing faders on my 54?
DJ Irv
7:52 PM - 19 January, 2006
that's not a lot to pay for what you are getting. Does this mixer come with magnetic faders. I am tired for replacing faders on my 54?
click
7:55 PM - 19 January, 2006
I am sure someone will invent blue tooth sunglasses that replace (sit in for) you comp screen!
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or get a couple of 'screens" surgically placed on your corneas then you won't have to look at anything. Of course, people will think you're on drugs cause you keep "blankin" out and looking like you're daydreaming. ;)I am sure someone will invent blue tooth sunglasses that replace (sit in for) you comp screen!
dj dawn
8:10 PM - 19 January, 2006
We are lucky that I didn't design the mixer :D
I have since my first day with SSL longed for a mixer with in-built Scratch LIVE. The TTM 57SL is the dopest thing I've seen in years!!
...are there suicides at the Stanton/NI office right now ;)
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Anyone remembers djdawns photoshop TTM56+SSL? scratchlive.net <- clikc :)We are lucky that I didn't design the mixer :D
I have since my first day with SSL longed for a mixer with in-built Scratch LIVE. The TTM 57SL is the dopest thing I've seen in years!!
...are there suicides at the Stanton/NI office right now ;)
m0rph!
8:14 PM - 19 January, 2006
DJ Irv said it first... any official comment on whether or not AKIEM gets any credit (or freebies) for the TTM57/SL?
CLICK >>> scratchlive.net <<< CLICK
;-)
CLICK >>> scratchlive.net <<< CLICK
;-)
DJ MDX
8:15 PM - 19 January, 2006
ROTFF!!!!
& Busted a gut......too damn funny!!!!
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...are there suicides at the Stanton/NI office right now ;)ROTFF!!!!
& Busted a gut......too damn funny!!!!
m0rph!
8:18 PM - 19 January, 2006
Then again, after seeing AKIEM's photos, maybe it was really Sam that came up with the idea...
Hey Dave, this gives me an idea ... we could take an SL 1, and a TTM 56, and we could...
..meet me by the water cooler, I think I'm on to something
LOL :-P
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Sam wrote:Hey Dave, this gives me an idea ... we could take an SL 1, and a TTM 56, and we could...
..meet me by the water cooler, I think I'm on to something
LOL :-P
punosion
8:44 PM - 19 January, 2006
LOL m0rph!, I was going to comment on that earlier...good catch. ;)
I have four words for Rane: rotary knob replacement option...or an Empath Rotary SSL Special Edition...you can flesh-out the name better... >:)
I have four words for Rane: rotary knob replacement option...or an Empath Rotary SSL Special Edition...you can flesh-out the name better... >:)
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
8:50 PM - 19 January, 2006
ok, somebody really needs to pinch me.
i think i nearly had a virtual orgasm!
all they need to do now is add two spinning platters and a pc/mac with dual pop up flat panel touch screens :)
*singing* 'dreeeeeeaam, dream, dream, dreeeeeam
i think i nearly had a virtual orgasm!
all they need to do now is add two spinning platters and a pc/mac with dual pop up flat panel touch screens :)
*singing* 'dreeeeeeaam, dream, dream, dreeeeeam
punosion
8:54 PM - 19 January, 2006
i think i nearly had a virtual orgasm!
all they need to do now is add two spinning platters and a pc/mac with dual pop up flat panel touch screens :)
*singing* 'dreeeeeeaam, dream, dream, dreeeeeam
...built into an ATA case that comes together to wrap the whole thing up. Press a button and it all unfolds, Transformers style... *beep-baap-boop-baap-beep*
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ok, somebody really needs to pinch me.i think i nearly had a virtual orgasm!
all they need to do now is add two spinning platters and a pc/mac with dual pop up flat panel touch screens :)
*singing* 'dreeeeeeaam, dream, dream, dreeeeeam
...built into an ATA case that comes together to wrap the whole thing up. Press a button and it all unfolds, Transformers style... *beep-baap-boop-baap-beep*
DJ Irv
9:08 PM - 19 January, 2006
I think it was Vesatax that started putting "Hamser Switches" in their mixer and never gave an props to the Scratch Hamsters for their contribution so I feel it is only right to big up that brotha AKIEM.
mexicannnnnn
9:11 PM - 19 January, 2006
Agreed, BIG UP! Brrruuuupp brrruupp.
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I think it was Vesatax that started putting "Hamser Switches" in their mixer and never gave an props to the Scratch Hamsters for their contribution so I feel it is only right to big up that brotha AKIEM.Agreed, BIG UP! Brrruuuupp brrruupp.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
9:16 PM - 19 January, 2006
i think i nearly had a virtual orgasm!
all they need to do now is add two spinning platters and a pc/mac with dual pop up flat panel touch screens :)
*singing* 'dreeeeeeaam, dream, dream, dreeeeeam
...built into an ATA case that comes together to wrap the whole thing up. Press a button and it all unfolds, Transformers style... *beep-baap-boop-baap-beep*
....then also incorporate wires transmitters so you can broadcast to a set of wireless self powerer speakers :)
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ok, somebody really needs to pinch me.i think i nearly had a virtual orgasm!
all they need to do now is add two spinning platters and a pc/mac with dual pop up flat panel touch screens :)
*singing* 'dreeeeeeaam, dream, dream, dreeeeeam
...built into an ATA case that comes together to wrap the whole thing up. Press a button and it all unfolds, Transformers style... *beep-baap-boop-baap-beep*
....then also incorporate wires transmitters so you can broadcast to a set of wireless self powerer speakers :)
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
9:20 PM - 19 January, 2006
more like "Starvin" up :) cup a noodles here i come :)
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MAP PRICE IS $1700 BUCKS SO FAR SO START SAVIN UP...more like "Starvin" up :) cup a noodles here i come :)
Josh
9:45 PM - 19 January, 2006
I think I might go have a play on the 57SL that's sitting across the room.
:P
:P
m0rph!
9:49 PM - 19 January, 2006
:P
Ass!
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I think I might go have a play on the 57SL that's sitting across the room.:P
Ass!
punosion
10:01 PM - 19 January, 2006
:P
Ass!
x2, him and Shaun both:
;p
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I think I might go have a play on the 57SL that's sitting across the room.:P
Ass!
x2, him and Shaun both:
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Dang, would you look at the time. Sorry guys, it's time for me to go home, seriously :-);p
James
10:06 PM - 19 January, 2006
:P
Hold on I'm almost finished playing with it...
:P
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I think I might go have a play on the 57SL that's sitting across the room.:P
Hold on I'm almost finished playing with it...
:P
nik39
10:09 PM - 19 January, 2006
Agreed, BIG UP! Brrruuuupp brrruupp.
Sorry, didnt mean to screw up a brothers hustle... but in fact it was AKIEM who did the mod first, but it was DJ White Lightning posting the idea first: scratchlive.net <- click.
Oh and did anyone notice the remark from Steve 5 months ago here scratchlive.net <- click:
;-)
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I think it was Vesatax that started putting "Hamser Switches" in their mixer and never gave an props to the Scratch Hamsters for their contribution so I feel it is only right to big up that brotha AKIEM.Agreed, BIG UP! Brrruuuupp brrruupp.
Sorry, didnt mean to screw up a brothers hustle... but in fact it was AKIEM who did the mod first, but it was DJ White Lightning posting the idea first: scratchlive.net <- click.
Oh and did anyone notice the remark from Steve 5 months ago here scratchlive.net <- click:
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And while Rane has no marketing department, as far as this thread's original topic goes, you forget to ask "what else should be added to a mixer with SSL built in that's currently not supported (or even possible) that would be worthwhile adding to such a product?" That's the only clue you'll get...;-)
nik39
10:23 PM - 19 January, 2006
That is easy... you load up a track, let it play, use the echo effect, and you disconnect the USB cable 1, and attach USB cable no 2 from the 2nd laptop while the echo is still fading out :-)
m0rph!
10:26 PM - 19 January, 2006
LOL! No wonder you don't have a lot of gigs lately... :-P
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That is easy... you load up a track, let it play, use the echo effect, and you disconnect the USB cable 1, and attach USB cable no 2 from the 2nd laptop while the echo is still fading out :-)LOL! No wonder you don't have a lot of gigs lately... :-P
boabmatic
10:29 PM - 19 January, 2006
just put on a normal vinyl or cd then switch the usb cables and away you go...
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How would two DJs switch laptops using this new mixer?just put on a normal vinyl or cd then switch the usb cables and away you go...
click
10:44 PM - 19 January, 2006
just put on a normal vinyl or cd then switch the usb cables and away you go...
I guess that de-prioritizes the 'dongles' relationship to the software..
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How would two DJs switch laptops using this new mixer?just put on a normal vinyl or cd then switch the usb cables and away you go...
I guess that de-prioritizes the 'dongles' relationship to the software..
James
10:44 PM - 19 January, 2006
This actually works you know ;) Tap the delay, pump up the feedback...
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That is easy... you load up a track, let it play, use the echo effect, and you disconnect the USB cable 1, and attach USB cable no 2 from the 2nd laptop while the echo is still fading out :-)This actually works you know ;) Tap the delay, pump up the feedback...
Sim
10:54 PM - 19 January, 2006
my buddy is at NAMM, and he texted me this, "New Rane mixer: HOLY $HIT!"
Shaun W
10:57 PM - 19 January, 2006
The TTM 57SL is about the size of the Empath, which is about an inch wider than the TTM 56.
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Quoting Steve M: Not certain enough on the dimensions to put it in writing here (don't have them on me). I'll ask the designers today and get back to you after 6 pm west coast time (no internet access at the show - didn't want to pay the insane cost). It's pretty close to the TTM 56 though, maybe a bit taller from front (headphone) to back (I/O Jacks)?The TTM 57SL is about the size of the Empath, which is about an inch wider than the TTM 56.
DjWoody
10:59 PM - 19 January, 2006
Does this new mixer come with the SSL Software too? Or would DJs need to buy it separate? I began a thread on this mixer on another forum and I'm getting bombarded with questions! lol...
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
11:02 PM - 19 January, 2006
to clarify... regarding built in fx... i will be able to do what Jazzy Jeff did on pio's 909?
please say yes
please say yes
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DJ Irv
11:02 PM - 19 January, 2006
it would come withe software. Why sell you a mixer that requires software and not include it
nik39
11:04 PM - 19 January, 2006
Why? Cause your name might end with ative nstruments and starts with "N" and "I"? :-D
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it would come withe software. Why sell you a mixer that requires software and not include itWhy? Cause your name might end with ative nstruments and starts with "N" and "I"? :-D
Shaun W
11:05 PM - 19 January, 2006
The software will be included with the mixer, but feel free to tell people that they can send me a dollar, just for kicks ;)
James
11:20 PM - 19 January, 2006
Will it be possible to tap the delay?
Yep.
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Tap the delayWill it be possible to tap the delay?
Yep.
nik39
11:26 PM - 19 January, 2006
Mike, no, the TTM57-SL wont scratch for you, you still gotta do it by yourself :-D
I know, I'm a funny clown ;-)
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to clarify... regarding built in fx... i will be able to do what Jazzy Jeff did on pio's 909?Mike, no, the TTM57-SL wont scratch for you, you still gotta do it by yourself :-D
I know, I'm a funny clown ;-)
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
11:31 PM - 19 January, 2006
....so......r u trying to say that this mixer won't have a Jazzy Jeff built inside each one? man, forget it then.
just kidding....
.... i guess what i'm trying to understand is, will i be able to echo-fade-out tracks so i can scratch in the next tune?
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes ....then i promise i will never mention pio 909 again :)
just kidding....
.... i guess what i'm trying to understand is, will i be able to echo-fade-out tracks so i can scratch in the next tune?
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes
please say yes ....then i promise i will never mention pio 909 again :)
panchito
11:56 PM - 19 January, 2006
man, if I get this mixer I'll probably get divorced!
does anyone know a good dovorce lawyer?
does anyone know a good dovorce lawyer?
Kid Stretch
11:59 PM - 19 January, 2006
DAAAAAAAMN!!!!!! :)
serato is taking it to the next level!!!
serato is taking it to the next level!!!
punosion
12:01 AM - 20 January, 2006
does anyone know a good dovorce lawyer?
LOL! Maybe your favorite DJ supply store could do a package deal... ;)
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man, if I get this mixer I'll probably get divorced!does anyone know a good dovorce lawyer?
LOL! Maybe your favorite DJ supply store could do a package deal... ;)
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
12:07 AM - 20 January, 2006
Rane should include a divorce template form together with the manual that usually ships with each mixer/ssl combo mutant thingy.
when i get mine, i'm gonna get another microwave and fridge for the garage... u know, just me and my rane ttm57sl and my 12s...locked away, only to emerge to the real world to change diapers and wash dishes....then it's back to the dungeon lab :)
when i get mine, i'm gonna get another microwave and fridge for the garage... u know, just me and my rane ttm57sl and my 12s...locked away, only to emerge to the real world to change diapers and wash dishes....then it's back to the dungeon lab :)
panchito
12:20 AM - 20 January, 2006
when i get mine, i'm gonna get another microwave and fridge for the garage... u know, just me and my rane ttm57sl and my 12s...locked away, only to emerge to the real world to change diapers and wash dishes....then it's back to the dungeon lab :)
what, you're not set up in the kitchen anymore?
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Rane should include a divorce template form together with the manual that usually ships with each mixer/ssl combo mutant thingy.when i get mine, i'm gonna get another microwave and fridge for the garage... u know, just me and my rane ttm57sl and my 12s...locked away, only to emerge to the real world to change diapers and wash dishes....then it's back to the dungeon lab :)
what, you're not set up in the kitchen anymore?
Thebasementwonder
12:41 AM - 20 January, 2006
is the software workable with the SL1 unit or SL1 user have to wait for that version?
Chita79
12:48 AM - 20 January, 2006
im really wondering when master tempo will come! :) is it working at NAMM? (usable feature?)
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
1:06 AM - 20 January, 2006
:) not in tha kitchen anymore :) got kicked out due to a baptismal party.
punosion
1:54 AM - 20 January, 2006
'tis a lot of crap to move, there. BTW, very impressive setup...I think this mixer could save you a keyboard and a tad bit of clutter. ;)
Chita79, it was mentioned earlier by Sam @ Serato that it was just not quite ready. If it's taking this long, I'm sure it's going to be amazing.
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:) not in tha kitchen anymore :) got kicked out due to a baptismal party.'tis a lot of crap to move, there. BTW, very impressive setup...I think this mixer could save you a keyboard and a tad bit of clutter. ;)
Chita79, it was mentioned earlier by Sam @ Serato that it was just not quite ready. If it's taking this long, I'm sure it's going to be amazing.
The Axledental DJ
3:56 AM - 20 January, 2006
Sam, a couple of more questions:
1. Can you just use one CD Deck with one Phono Turntable to control SSL with the TTM57SL?
2.I see ASIO is supported for the TTM57SL, does this mean, if you wanted to, you could use the built in soundcard with other music software?
3. The record feature for the TTM57SL, does it save you mix session to your PC/Mac?
1. Can you just use one CD Deck with one Phono Turntable to control SSL with the TTM57SL?
2.I see ASIO is supported for the TTM57SL, does this mean, if you wanted to, you could use the built in soundcard with other music software?
3. The record feature for the TTM57SL, does it save you mix session to your PC/Mac?
Hot Mix BK
6:01 AM - 20 January, 2006
Thank U Rane... It appears you answered our prayers... Its Scratchlive Christmas coming in April!!
nobspangle
8:23 AM - 20 January, 2006
The Axledental DJ,
1. This should work the same way as with the SL1 plus you'll be able to assign one of the mixer buttons to control the input reverse.
2. I hope so, that would mean you could use the mixer for Ableton, even better if you could also use the control surface in 3rd party programs.
3. I think this will work the same way as the MP4, expect you'll be able to start and stop recordings from the mixer.
Looks like there's no BPM counter, does this mean timings for effects will have to be tapped in?
1. This should work the same way as with the SL1 plus you'll be able to assign one of the mixer buttons to control the input reverse.
2. I hope so, that would mean you could use the mixer for Ableton, even better if you could also use the control surface in 3rd party programs.
3. I think this will work the same way as the MP4, expect you'll be able to start and stop recordings from the mixer.
Looks like there's no BPM counter, does this mean timings for effects will have to be tapped in?
Sam
9:22 AM - 20 January, 2006
will i be able to echo-fade-out tracks so i can scratch in the next tune?
Yes
I made a mistake before sorry, joystick is 8 directional, not 4 directional
Does this new mixer come with the SSL Software too?
Yes
Ye, can it do an infinte echo loop like on the efx 500?
Yes
This mixer is amazing and hideous at the same time, weird
If you're talking about aesthetics, bear in mind that this is a prototype - there may be cosmetic changes.
Axel DJ ... you can control it with two turntables, or two CD players, or one CD player and one turntable. You can connect two turntables and two CD players, all playing Scratch LIVE control signal, and switch between any combo - only 2 channels at a time, of course. .. ASIO means any software that supports ASIO ... yes, you can record you mix, saved to the mac or PC
Looks like there's no BPM counter, does this mean timings for effects will have to be tapped in?
There is no auto BPM detection if that's what you mean, but we haven't changed our plans to add one.
Another big day tomorrow ... sleep now :)
Yes
I made a mistake before sorry, joystick is 8 directional, not 4 directional
Does this new mixer come with the SSL Software too?
Yes
Ye, can it do an infinte echo loop like on the efx 500?
Yes
This mixer is amazing and hideous at the same time, weird
If you're talking about aesthetics, bear in mind that this is a prototype - there may be cosmetic changes.
Axel DJ ... you can control it with two turntables, or two CD players, or one CD player and one turntable. You can connect two turntables and two CD players, all playing Scratch LIVE control signal, and switch between any combo - only 2 channels at a time, of course. .. ASIO means any software that supports ASIO ... yes, you can record you mix, saved to the mac or PC
Looks like there's no BPM counter, does this mean timings for effects will have to be tapped in?
There is no auto BPM detection if that's what you mean, but we haven't changed our plans to add one.
Another big day tomorrow ... sleep now :)
Smoozyprod
9:22 AM - 20 January, 2006
Hi,
What a wonderfull Mixer! My TTM57 is Order!! Now I must wait till april :-(
USB 1 OR USB 2??
And loop?
Enjoy April and TTM57SL
What a wonderfull Mixer! My TTM57 is Order!! Now I must wait till april :-(
USB 1 OR USB 2??
And loop?
Enjoy April and TTM57SL
Sam
9:24 AM - 20 January, 2006
OK the deal is we'll stay up late answering questions if you promise to read the answers ;)
It's USB 1.
And loop?... sure, why not.
It's USB 1.
And loop?... sure, why not.
rubidj
9:56 AM - 20 January, 2006
will we have TTM-57 (without SL) ?
Phono/Line feature in each line is great for me.
Phono/Line feature in each line is great for me.
click
10:24 AM - 20 January, 2006
will u be able to control your comp from the mixer without having to touch the comp?
B-Lo
11:33 AM - 20 January, 2006
yes all of the switches are programable:
✫ B1 - B6 programmable switches
✫ P1 - P2 programmable Encoders with push switches
✫ J1 - J2 programmable Joysticks with push switches
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will u be able to control your comp from the mixer without having to touch the comp?yes all of the switches are programable:
✫ B1 - B6 programmable switches
✫ P1 - P2 programmable Encoders with push switches
✫ J1 - J2 programmable Joysticks with push switches
djphilly
12:19 PM - 20 January, 2006
DOES THIS MEAN THE TTM56 WILL GET CHEAPER?!?! still to expenisve for a highschool student!
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
1:47 PM - 20 January, 2006
Yes
Holy Serato Bat-man!
ok, i'm putting everything up for sale (execpt my ext. HD) ...yup, even the lappy (taffy)...gonna combine tha TT57SL w/new Lappy Tablet (screen can swivel around to hide keyboard)
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will i be able to echo-fade-out tracks so i can scratch in the next tune?Yes
Holy Serato Bat-man!
ok, i'm putting everything up for sale (execpt my ext. HD) ...yup, even the lappy (taffy)...gonna combine tha TT57SL w/new Lappy Tablet (screen can swivel around to hide keyboard)
ACME
4:10 PM - 20 January, 2006
do the encoders send standard midi cc ?
Can they be used with other apps, or with SSL only ?
Can they be used with other apps, or with SSL only ?
nik39
5:00 PM - 20 January, 2006
They have corrected it, it says $1449 now. Thats in the range of what I expected starting with a MSRP of $1799. $999 would have been ridiculously low.
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djdeals.com has the preorder price at $999.00 USD ... is this correct? If that's right ... oh mama ...They have corrected it, it says $1449 now. Thats in the range of what I expected starting with a MSRP of $1799. $999 would have been ridiculously low.
SloMocean
5:08 PM - 20 January, 2006
That was my first thought as well ... shoulda preordered yesterday when the price was still low =)
mexicannnnnn
5:18 PM - 20 January, 2006
I was thinking the exact same thing :-(
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That was my first thought as well ... shoulda preordered yesterday when the price was still low =)I was thinking the exact same thing :-(
nik39
5:21 PM - 20 January, 2006
Do you think they would have delivered it for tha advertised price?
DJ Irv
5:33 PM - 20 January, 2006
I think the street price will be 25% off of MSRP. $1350USD, but since we have all gone craz for this thing the first units are selling for top dollar. It's a bit too rich for my blood.
Hex
5:39 PM - 20 January, 2006
i hate to think how much it will be in the UK! perhaps a shopping trip to the states will be in order once it's released
nobspangle
6:37 PM - 20 January, 2006
MrGoodie2shoes, The effects are DSP in the mixer so they should work normal vinyl/CDs
Hex, If it sells for around $1300-1500 in the US you just know it's going to be £1300-1500 over here. Stupid ocean, always getting in the way.
Hex, If it sells for around $1300-1500 in the US you just know it's going to be £1300-1500 over here. Stupid ocean, always getting in the way.
B-Lo
6:41 PM - 20 January, 2006
Hex, If it sells for around $1300-1500 in the US you just know it's going to be £1300-1500 over here. Stupid ocean, always getting in the way.
can't you buy from a company across the pond and then pay shipping? or find some american you trust to get it for you prefferably on base so the shipping is free.. :)
can't you buy from a company across the pond and then pay shipping? or find some american you trust to get it for you prefferably on base so the shipping is free.. :)
ripple
7:05 PM - 20 January, 2006
Does anyone know if the upfader curve would be altered compared to the ttm56? Only thing i hated about my rane, i prefer the vestax style cut (at the top of the fader).
AKIEM
7:07 PM - 20 January, 2006
excellent!
Q: so you could record your mixes post fader, unmixed out of the usb? is that correct?
two stereo programs, 1 & 2, post fader, coming out of the mixer?
If thats the case, this mixer is perfect. piriod.
it doesnt look like there would be seperate analog outs tho.
the next thing I was going to do with mine is add a switch that would convert the L & R flex efx outs to two stereo outs 1 & 2 post fader. never got to it, guess I wont have to.......
Q: so you could record your mixes post fader, unmixed out of the usb? is that correct?
two stereo programs, 1 & 2, post fader, coming out of the mixer?
If thats the case, this mixer is perfect. piriod.
it doesnt look like there would be seperate analog outs tho.
the next thing I was going to do with mine is add a switch that would convert the L & R flex efx outs to two stereo outs 1 & 2 post fader. never got to it, guess I wont have to.......
nik39
7:09 PM - 20 January, 2006
Wait... if you have an idea of how to mod your TTM56 to achieve that PLEASE PLEASE go into it :-)
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the next thing I was going to do with mine is add a switch that would convert the L & R flex efx outs to two stereo outs 1 & 2 post fader. never got to it, guess I wont have to.......Wait... if you have an idea of how to mod your TTM56 to achieve that PLEASE PLEASE go into it :-)
Thebasementwonder
7:30 PM - 20 January, 2006
i would like to know if the software useable with SL1 hardware thats what i would like to know. I dont think i will purchase that mixer cuz already have ssl.
yuri
9:05 PM - 20 January, 2006
fyi, ive been talking to some peeps and they think the grey knobs are ugly. I kinda agree with them. Just thought id give some feedback on that since its a prototype.
Awesome direction you guys are going with this thing. A real practical merge or technology.
Awesome direction you guys are going with this thing. A real practical merge or technology.
Revolutionary
9:24 PM - 20 January, 2006
That mixer is going to be at least 3000 dollars over here or something.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
9:41 PM - 20 January, 2006
can i also suggest illuminate tha knobs (but do a way better job than the other folks)...maybe even add status lights of which position the buttons are in when pressed/toggled? if not, i'm totally cool with how it is (maybe tha price will rise cause of the extra hardware/L.E.D.s)
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fyi, ive been talking to some peeps and they think the grey knobs are ugly. I kinda agree with them. Just thought id give some feedback on that since its a prototype.can i also suggest illuminate tha knobs (but do a way better job than the other folks)...maybe even add status lights of which position the buttons are in when pressed/toggled? if not, i'm totally cool with how it is (maybe tha price will rise cause of the extra hardware/L.E.D.s)
MrGoodie2shoes
11:44 PM - 20 January, 2006
I just don't understand how the effects would work on regular vinyl without some type of led letting you know you have the bpm tapped in correctly...but then again...i don't know shit about this thing
nobspangle
12:35 AM - 21 January, 2006
MrGoodie2shoes, you don't need a screen to tell you that you've tapped a delay in correctly, you'll find you can be anything up to 5% out and still get pretty much the same effect.
mexicannnnnn
12:44 AM - 21 January, 2006
It needs a USB status LED on the top instead of the back...
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
12:57 AM - 21 January, 2006
!! yes, please relocate that LED status. btw, does this change colors to indicate problems or just a steady blue (this would be helpful like a flashing red = train wreck coming :)
mexicannnnnn
1:01 AM - 21 January, 2006
Maybe a Blue is normal, then orange to red is drop outs like how it is in software right now.
mexicannnnnn
1:06 AM - 21 January, 2006
Why did they switch to an internal transformer?
I know the older phone styles one (RS1) were / are very annoying if that little clip breaks off, but I thought that it was justified with all the pro's listed here: www.rane.com
Shaun any ideas?
I know the older phone styles one (RS1) were / are very annoying if that little clip breaks off, but I thought that it was justified with all the pro's listed here: www.rane.com
Shaun any ideas?
nik39
2:11 AM - 21 January, 2006
I would say less annoyance. Thats why you dont have an e/p/s with the MP4 and the empath as well, cause its a travelling unit.
tsalyards
2:23 AM - 21 January, 2006
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I just bought a TTM56 five months ago and have SSL. Seriously though, I feel sort of numb.
NOOOOOOOOOOO! Damnit!
NOOOOOOOOOOO! Damnit!
DJRodrigoSM.br
2:30 AM - 21 January, 2006
Man... Been looking around the forum for a while, and I've been absolutely crazy about Rane for a year or so. After this thing came out, I just had to join.
Not a scratcher in any way, but there's something I noticed about this monster that has'nt been pointed out, so correct me if I'm mistaken.
Are you guys aware that this is probably the ONLY two channel mixer you can hook up to 4 Turntables? Most (All of the, I guess) are just Phono / Line convertible, sometimes with 2 phono on 1 channel, so that totals 3. This thing just blows my mind, and I'm so getting one, if they ever get sold down here.
Thanks for all the input!
Not a scratcher in any way, but there's something I noticed about this monster that has'nt been pointed out, so correct me if I'm mistaken.
Are you guys aware that this is probably the ONLY two channel mixer you can hook up to 4 Turntables? Most (All of the, I guess) are just Phono / Line convertible, sometimes with 2 phono on 1 channel, so that totals 3. This thing just blows my mind, and I'm so getting one, if they ever get sold down here.
Thanks for all the input!
nik39
2:41 AM - 21 January, 2006
But you can only play two channels at the same time. So if I had 4 TTs connected to one mixer I would find this rather limiting.
nik39
2:48 AM - 21 January, 2006
Here is a real photo www.djsupply.com <- click (link taken from Skratchlounge.com )
The Axledental DJ
3:45 AM - 21 January, 2006
Sam, some more questions:
1. Will I be able to use line out from the TTM57SL AUX OUT to record to an external recorder my mixes?
2. What would the AUX IN be used for?
1. Will I be able to use line out from the TTM57SL AUX OUT to record to an external recorder my mixes?
2. What would the AUX IN be used for?
mexicannnnnn
3:56 AM - 21 January, 2006
AUX in is a line in... you could hook up the output of another mixers aux out, maybe your ipod as a back up.. maybe the output of your laptops internal soundcard as a 3rd virtual deck.
I do all of the above.
I do all of the above.
Sam
8:45 AM - 21 January, 2006
Will you be able to use the effects on regular vinyl??
yes
do the encoders send standard midi cc ?
Can they be used with other apps, or with SSL only ?
-not at this stage
Does anyone know if the upfader curve would be altered compared to the ttm56? Only thing i hated about my rane, i prefer the vestax style cut (at the top of the fader).
- you will be able to program any curve you wish
i would like to know if the software useable with SL1 hardware thats what i would like to know.
-Thebasementwonder, it will ship with Scratch LIVE 1.6 ... but I'm not sure if that is what you are really asking ... is it?
Maybe even add status lights of which position the buttons are in when pressed/toggled? if not, i'm totally cool with how it is (maybe tha price will rise cause of the extra hardware/L.E.D.s)
- The labels B1 thru B6 light up when the button is pressed.
this would be helpful like a flashing red = train wreck coming :)
- ha ha :D
yes
do the encoders send standard midi cc ?
Can they be used with other apps, or with SSL only ?
-not at this stage
Does anyone know if the upfader curve would be altered compared to the ttm56? Only thing i hated about my rane, i prefer the vestax style cut (at the top of the fader).
- you will be able to program any curve you wish
i would like to know if the software useable with SL1 hardware thats what i would like to know.
-Thebasementwonder, it will ship with Scratch LIVE 1.6 ... but I'm not sure if that is what you are really asking ... is it?
Maybe even add status lights of which position the buttons are in when pressed/toggled? if not, i'm totally cool with how it is (maybe tha price will rise cause of the extra hardware/L.E.D.s)
- The labels B1 thru B6 light up when the button is pressed.
this would be helpful like a flashing red = train wreck coming :)
- ha ha :D
B-Lo
9:04 AM - 21 January, 2006
i think that instead of a one are with buttons flipping between thet two decks there should be two sets [on the outboard side of the channel faders] dedicated to that channel. you could still have the toggle between the functions, but that way you could control the effects on one channel while working the loop on the other channel with out having to flip through so many buttons. i don't know if the software would support it, but it would be nice
Steve W
9:59 AM - 21 January, 2006
-Thebasementwonder, it will ship with Scratch LIVE 1.6 ... but I'm not sure if that is what you are really asking ... is it?
A single Scratch LIVE build runs all the different hardware devices, eg 1.5 supports the SL 1 and the MP 4. Version 1.6 will support the SL 1, MP 4 & TTM 57SL. Depending on what hardware is connected, different options / GUI elements show up corresponding to the features that are possible with that hardware.
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i would like to know if the software useable with SL1 hardware thats what i would like to know.-Thebasementwonder, it will ship with Scratch LIVE 1.6 ... but I'm not sure if that is what you are really asking ... is it?
A single Scratch LIVE build runs all the different hardware devices, eg 1.5 supports the SL 1 and the MP 4. Version 1.6 will support the SL 1, MP 4 & TTM 57SL. Depending on what hardware is connected, different options / GUI elements show up corresponding to the features that are possible with that hardware.
B-Lo
10:24 AM - 21 January, 2006
A single Scratch LIVE build runs all the different hardware devices, eg 1.5 supports the SL 1 and the MP 4. Version 1.6 will support the SL 1, MP 4 & TTM 57SL. Depending on what hardware is connected, different options / GUI elements show up corresponding to the features that are possible with that hardware.
will the effects be supported by the SL 1 & MP 4 or is that a TTM 57SL only feature? and if it can be used with the SL 1 will there be a shortcut for the tempo tap?
will the effects be supported by the SL 1 & MP 4 or is that a TTM 57SL only feature? and if it can be used with the SL 1 will there be a shortcut for the tempo tap?
Revolutionary
10:27 AM - 21 January, 2006
It's built into the mixer, man.
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will the effects be supported by the SL 1 & MP 4 or is that a TTM 57SL only feature?It's built into the mixer, man.
nobspangle
10:50 AM - 21 January, 2006
I know the older phone styles one (RS1) were / are very annoying if that little clip breaks off, but I thought that it was justified with all the pro's listed here: www.rane.com
Shaun any ideas?
For me (and all other non Americans) the built in PSU is very useful since it is switch-mode and can take any input voltage between 100-250V this means you don't need a transformer if you take your gear to a different country. You can also buy US market goods cheaper and not have to source a PSU. In the US (from the Rane website) a PSU is $25. In the UK the PSU costs £55 at todays prices that's about $100, a 300% markup.
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Why did they switch to an internal transformer?I know the older phone styles one (RS1) were / are very annoying if that little clip breaks off, but I thought that it was justified with all the pro's listed here: www.rane.com
Shaun any ideas?
For me (and all other non Americans) the built in PSU is very useful since it is switch-mode and can take any input voltage between 100-250V this means you don't need a transformer if you take your gear to a different country. You can also buy US market goods cheaper and not have to source a PSU. In the US (from the Rane website) a PSU is $25. In the UK the PSU costs £55 at todays prices that's about $100, a 300% markup.
Thebasementwonder
10:58 AM - 21 January, 2006
Thanks Steve
OOOO OOOO. Another question. Would version 1.6 be posted b4 the TTM57SL shipped out or do we have to wait til its release to download the newest version?
OOOO OOOO. Another question. Would version 1.6 be posted b4 the TTM57SL shipped out or do we have to wait til its release to download the newest version?
nobspangle
11:06 AM - 21 January, 2006
1.6 will be released once it's ready, sam as any other version. Expect Rane/Serato won't want their TTM57SL to be sitting in boxes on shelves waiting for the software so they'll work extra hard to get it out in time, but bear in mind most of the new features you can see are only going to be available on the TTM57 because they are hardware dependent.
BassChamber
11:13 AM - 21 January, 2006
amazing... im shocked!
totally agreed!
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it needs a USB status LED on the top instead of the back...totally agreed!
tim
1:07 PM - 21 January, 2006
wow . this looks lush .
a question tho, what has happened to the flexfx dry/wet crossfader?
a question tho, what has happened to the flexfx dry/wet crossfader?
The Axledental DJ
4:01 PM - 21 January, 2006
OK, thanks to Sam and all, I put on my forum a Rane TTM 57SL FAQ.
You can view it here: www.axledentaldj.com
Its mostly made for myself to help me decide if I want to buy the Rane TTM 57SL, which I still do. Feel free to add to it and let me know of any corrections that need to be made.
You can view it here: www.axledentaldj.com
Its mostly made for myself to help me decide if I want to buy the Rane TTM 57SL, which I still do. Feel free to add to it and let me know of any corrections that need to be made.
DeezNotes
4:46 PM - 21 January, 2006
Once again... great idea Rane. Only, it seems like it's just not right yet. Then again, I always have this feeling about Rane mixers - just about all of them. It's like they always get a 9 out of 10 for some reason?
I use the 56 regularly, and I think it's a wonderful mixer. There are some things about it I just disagree with. I feel the same about the 57 as well. I could get into details, but I doubt it's worth it. Some people have said a few things I was thinking and some improvements have been made that I wish I'd have saw in the 56, but still... your mixers leave me wanting more.
I use the 56 regularly, and I think it's a wonderful mixer. There are some things about it I just disagree with. I feel the same about the 57 as well. I could get into details, but I doubt it's worth it. Some people have said a few things I was thinking and some improvements have been made that I wish I'd have saw in the 56, but still... your mixers leave me wanting more.
DeezNotes
4:48 PM - 21 January, 2006
Since a gang of people are probably going to disagree with my above post, I should note that Rane does a good job dealing with "big" issues most of the time. It's usually small [easy] details I wish they would improve on.
12micsn1
5:06 PM - 21 January, 2006
I like the idea of this mixer but i have some issues with it. Why is this mixer using USB 1.0 an not 2.0? Also is just me but every other highend manufacture of DJ mixers is focusing on 24bit 96k sound quality an this mixer is sticking to 16 bit 44.1k. Someone explain this to me before i email Rane directly. If this mixer is going to be priced at $1700 it would seem that we should get the very best from Rane.
BassChamber
5:08 PM - 21 January, 2006
mmm... it is hard to create the perfect mixer, i know no one that is perfect!
but i think like you DeezNotes, for some reason, manufactures and designers forget small details that in fact are big details for djs that use their gear over and over again.
for example, my vestax ttables are crap when beat mixing if you compare ith with technics one. small details like the pitch slider cheap feeling, or being unable to control the amount of torque make me come back to my old 1200.
IMHO, rane should create a forum similar to this one for their mixers and new products, like this lovely and revolutionary 57.
Deez, opinons like yours are very important!
but i think like you DeezNotes, for some reason, manufactures and designers forget small details that in fact are big details for djs that use their gear over and over again.
for example, my vestax ttables are crap when beat mixing if you compare ith with technics one. small details like the pitch slider cheap feeling, or being unable to control the amount of torque make me come back to my old 1200.
IMHO, rane should create a forum similar to this one for their mixers and new products, like this lovely and revolutionary 57.
Deez, opinons like yours are very important!
nik39
5:47 PM - 21 January, 2006
Deez, I agree with BC. You should post your thoughts. If you dont, how is Rane supposed to create the killer?
punosion
7:31 PM - 21 January, 2006
Yep, Deez...if you see faults, post 'em up! Rane is listening!
The blue LED light is exactly one of those cases. I agree...it should definitely be on top.
The blue LED light is exactly one of those cases. I agree...it should definitely be on top.
nik39
7:42 PM - 21 January, 2006
I disagree with the blue LED. How often do you look at it? If there is something wrong the the USB connection (shown by your laptop) you have to get at the back of the mixer anway to check all the connections. Thats why it should be ok if its at the back. My 2 cetns.
DeezNotes
8:08 PM - 21 January, 2006
As far as the blue LED thing... that could be placed on the front (where the headphone jacks are). There's plenty of space there. Perfect spot.
I'll try to post some comments in a lil' bit. Got some other things going on right now.
I'll try to post some comments in a lil' bit. Got some other things going on right now.
ACME
9:37 PM - 21 January, 2006
Can they be used with other apps, or with SSL only ?
-not at this stage
Bad one.
Does it come with coreaudio drivers?
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do the encoders send standard midi cc ?Can they be used with other apps, or with SSL only ?
-not at this stage
Bad one.
Does it come with coreaudio drivers?
Detroitbootybass
9:39 PM - 21 January, 2006
I totally agree, nik... the MP4 has the same setup and people said the same thing with that mixer just before it came out, but never issued a complaint after they used it.
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I disagree with the blue LED. How often do you look at it? If there is something wrong the the USB connection (shown by your laptop) you have to get at the back of the mixer anway to check all the connections. Thats why it should be ok if its at the back. My 2 cetns.I totally agree, nik... the MP4 has the same setup and people said the same thing with that mixer just before it came out, but never issued a complaint after they used it.
nobspangle
9:39 PM - 21 January, 2006
This gives you some more flexibility with which channels you can record. With USB 1 Serato can get 8 channels.
With a bit of voodoo the control signals are only using 2 (instead of 4 like the SL1), then you need 4 to send the audio back to the mixer, then 2 more to record the master out back to SSL. That's all 8 used.
If the mixer supported USB 2 you could also record the pgm 1&2 seperatley, pre and post fader + the effects returns, mic, and aux in all indivdually into a multi-track recorder.
As it is the mixer has been limited by this low bandwidth connection. If I was designing this mixer I would have has USB 2.0 interface with USB 1.1 support, that way people with USB 1.1 would be able to use most of the features and people with USB 2.0 would get extra.
I'd like Steve to explain this
Playing back and recording two stereo channels will require all of the available 8 channels leaving no room for the control signal, it's going to require some serious voodoo to get the control signals into the remaining bandwidth.
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Why would you want USB 2.0?This gives you some more flexibility with which channels you can record. With USB 1 Serato can get 8 channels.
With a bit of voodoo the control signals are only using 2 (instead of 4 like the SL1), then you need 4 to send the audio back to the mixer, then 2 more to record the master out back to SSL. That's all 8 used.
If the mixer supported USB 2 you could also record the pgm 1&2 seperatley, pre and post fader + the effects returns, mic, and aux in all indivdually into a multi-track recorder.
As it is the mixer has been limited by this low bandwidth connection. If I was designing this mixer I would have has USB 2.0 interface with USB 1.1 support, that way people with USB 1.1 would be able to use most of the features and people with USB 2.0 would get extra.
I'd like Steve to explain this
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Actually this will be possible. I can't say for sure if the software will support it on ship day, but the mixer was definitely designed with this in mind. We weren't willing to list a feature that we weren't sure would be ready when the mixer first ships.Playing back and recording two stereo channels will require all of the available 8 channels leaving no room for the control signal, it's going to require some serious voodoo to get the control signals into the remaining bandwidth.
skinnyguy
10:47 PM - 21 January, 2006
can the mixer's internal fx be accessed without being hooked up to the laptop? if so, how do you select each one and adjust parameters to your liking?
DJMark
11:44 PM - 21 January, 2006
The 96k thing is mostly marketing hype that has little application in a real-world setting. Aside from that, well-designed 16-bit/44.1 will sound better than a poorly-designed 24-bit/96k product.
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Also is just me but every other highend manufacture of DJ mixers is focusing on 24bit 96k sound quality an this mixer is sticking to 16 bit 44.1k.The 96k thing is mostly marketing hype that has little application in a real-world setting. Aside from that, well-designed 16-bit/44.1 will sound better than a poorly-designed 24-bit/96k product.
DJK
12:35 AM - 22 January, 2006
Here is a good question, it like like I can take the black knobs off of my TTM56 (I have the origonal version) and put them on instead of those hideous grey knobs? (Empath also uses these)
Also, I think the USB led on the front is a good idea.
Also, could you elaborate more on the foot switch, as far as ability trigger effects/samples and recording your scratches to make a multitrack scratch song?
Thanks, PS I have long prayed for this mixer, glad I held out! It will be a sick edition to my Empath and version 1 TTM56!!
Also, I think the USB led on the front is a good idea.
Also, could you elaborate more on the foot switch, as far as ability trigger effects/samples and recording your scratches to make a multitrack scratch song?
Thanks, PS I have long prayed for this mixer, glad I held out! It will be a sick edition to my Empath and version 1 TTM56!!
DJK
12:37 AM - 22 January, 2006
Please disregard my drunk typing. . .
Thanks, PS I have long prayed for this mixer, glad I held out! It will be a sick edition to my Empath and version 1 TTM56!!
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...it like like I....Please disregard my drunk typing. . .
Thanks, PS I have long prayed for this mixer, glad I held out! It will be a sick edition to my Empath and version 1 TTM56!!
Dj Ace
2:14 AM - 22 January, 2006
My Dream has come true!!! I have a road ready coffin and my SL1 amp doesn't fit but in April it won't have too!!! Also for club that have permanent installs I will just bring my old amp to those gigs...It is beautiful to be a DJ in 2006.
DJ MDX
2:28 AM - 22 January, 2006
You can say that again ;-)
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...It is beautiful to be a DJ in 2006.You can say that again ;-)
12micsn1
5:20 AM - 22 January, 2006
FORGET MY EARLIER POSTINGS TALK ABOUT TOPMODERN!!!
I havent been this excited in a longtime since becoming possibly the earliest SSL adopter in my city. Not a single club or DJ store had positive words for SSl on its release back in August 2004 when i picked up my copy. I said to myself how wack these people for not seeing the light early on. Being a longtime fan of DJ culture an also a fellow DJ Im more then proud user of SSL to say the least. Im more then want to say this TTM57SL mixer. That it might be my very last after owning 10 or 12 Dj mixers. A while ago, I emailed Rane an rantingly wrote about my disappointments in the very early beginnings of this forum suggesting a mixer being design with pre and post channel recording features to a computer or multitracker from a DJ mixer. Rane did respond back thanking me by email for contacting there engineering department an some of there other fellow heads maybe there vice-president. Im not looking for cookie or an award but Im very happy Rane has taken notice of my #1 suggestion for a mixer. Ive been frustrated for years by the lack of real recording capabilities with DJ mixers. Now I just want to just get ahold of this mixer an do what I always wanted to do in real-time an record the way i always wanted to from start to finish. Then later go back clean up any crossfades, add or delete knowing my tracks will be recorded separated in a mix.
I havent been this excited in a longtime since becoming possibly the earliest SSL adopter in my city. Not a single club or DJ store had positive words for SSl on its release back in August 2004 when i picked up my copy. I said to myself how wack these people for not seeing the light early on. Being a longtime fan of DJ culture an also a fellow DJ Im more then proud user of SSL to say the least. Im more then want to say this TTM57SL mixer. That it might be my very last after owning 10 or 12 Dj mixers. A while ago, I emailed Rane an rantingly wrote about my disappointments in the very early beginnings of this forum suggesting a mixer being design with pre and post channel recording features to a computer or multitracker from a DJ mixer. Rane did respond back thanking me by email for contacting there engineering department an some of there other fellow heads maybe there vice-president. Im not looking for cookie or an award but Im very happy Rane has taken notice of my #1 suggestion for a mixer. Ive been frustrated for years by the lack of real recording capabilities with DJ mixers. Now I just want to just get ahold of this mixer an do what I always wanted to do in real-time an record the way i always wanted to from start to finish. Then later go back clean up any crossfades, add or delete knowing my tracks will be recorded separated in a mix.
Maha10k
6:40 AM - 22 January, 2006
click
7:51 AM - 22 January, 2006
(from scratchworx)
(from scratchworx)
Steve W
9:15 AM - 22 January, 2006
Can they be used with other apps, or with SSL only ?
-not at this stage
Bad one.
Definitely not by April, but midi output will happen. It's an important feature, so I would think sooner rather than later. It's very easy and safe to update the firmware, so I foresee features inevitably being added over time.
Yes. It's configured to appear as 2 x (2 in / 2 out) sound-cards which vanish while Scratch LIVE is running.
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do the encoders send standard midi cc ?Can they be used with other apps, or with SSL only ?
-not at this stage
Bad one.
Definitely not by April, but midi output will happen. It's an important feature, so I would think sooner rather than later. It's very easy and safe to update the firmware, so I foresee features inevitably being added over time.
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Does it come with coreaudio drivers?Yes. It's configured to appear as 2 x (2 in / 2 out) sound-cards which vanish while Scratch LIVE is running.
BassChamber
2:40 PM - 22 January, 2006
is the layout desing definitive?
i think it would be good to listen what people think about it before... (i personally like it)
i think it would be good to listen what people think about it before... (i personally like it)
DJ MDX
3:03 PM - 22 January, 2006
Can they be used with other apps, or with SSL only ?
-not at this stage
Bad one.
Definitely not by April, but midi output will happen. It's an important feature, so I would think sooner rather than later. It's very easy and safe to update the firmware, so I foresee features inevitably being added over time.
Please make sure it ships with plenty of available memory. So many other OEM's in the past have shipped with limited memory and when another update was needed the memory was all used up and it was an either lose to gain proposition or nothing at all.
Just plan ahead and learn from others mistakes is all I suggest.
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do the encoders send standard midi cc ?Can they be used with other apps, or with SSL only ?
-not at this stage
Bad one.
Definitely not by April, but midi output will happen. It's an important feature, so I would think sooner rather than later. It's very easy and safe to update the firmware, so I foresee features inevitably being added over time.
Please make sure it ships with plenty of available memory. So many other OEM's in the past have shipped with limited memory and when another update was needed the memory was all used up and it was an either lose to gain proposition or nothing at all.
Just plan ahead and learn from others mistakes is all I suggest.
hologram
4:13 PM - 22 January, 2006
Any possibility of getting Midi off the faders.
Looking to be able to use Serato with vinyl, record both post each input fader, post crosfader (Main Mix, I could alsways record analog) and get the fader movements though Midi.
Looking to be able to use Serato with vinyl, record both post each input fader, post crosfader (Main Mix, I could alsways record analog) and get the fader movements though Midi.
ACME
6:57 PM - 22 January, 2006
Yes. It's configured to appear as 2 x (2 in / 2 out) sound-cards which vanish while Scratch LIVE is running.
Now it's much better :-)
What about the effects?
How do you control them?
Do you think auto-bpm sync for the effects will come in a future update?
Pitch shifting as well?
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Definitely not by April, but midi output will happen. It's an important feature, so I would think sooner rather than later. It's very easy and safe to update the firmware, so I foresee features inevitably being added over time.Quote:
Does it come with coreaudio drivers?Yes. It's configured to appear as 2 x (2 in / 2 out) sound-cards which vanish while Scratch LIVE is running.
Now it's much better :-)
What about the effects?
How do you control them?
Do you think auto-bpm sync for the effects will come in a future update?
Pitch shifting as well?
williswong
6:44 AM - 23 January, 2006
Wow...come april alot of SSL owners have a decision to make. I currently use SSL with an Ecler Nuo-5 ... I think if they had the trade-in for SSL users ... the sales would sky rocket for this thing.
Steve W
7:39 AM - 23 January, 2006
Actually the first month's production run of 57's is already sold out. Anyone who orders now will get it in May at the earliest.
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Wow...come april alot of SSL owners have a decision to make.Actually the first month's production run of 57's is already sold out. Anyone who orders now will get it in May at the earliest.
mexicannnnnn
7:43 AM - 23 January, 2006
Damn.. thats serious... I should have ordered that $999 deal.
williswong
8:02 AM - 23 January, 2006
arg... is there anywhere else thats preordering besides djdeals?
dj dawn
3:20 PM - 23 January, 2006
Yeah why didn't we order it mex :(
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Damn.. thats serious... I should have ordered that $999 deal.Yeah why didn't we order it mex :(
DJ Irv
4:46 PM - 23 January, 2006
I don't think DJ Deals will honor the $999 pre order price. It's happened to me before with TigerDirect. I order somthing I knew was bellow cost and they just cancelled it on me.
Sam
4:47 PM - 23 January, 2006
Here's a picture of the TTM 57SL with all-black knobs: scratchlive.net
And with grey Scratch LIVE parameter control knobs: scratchlive.net
And with grey Scratch LIVE parameter control knobs: scratchlive.net
DJ_X_Trodinaire
4:49 PM - 23 January, 2006
i like the black
but the link are the same?
//scratchlive.net/downloads/files/577/TTM-57SL-all-black.jpg
but the link are the same?
//scratchlive.net/downloads/files/577/TTM-57SL-all-black.jpg
The Axledental DJ
4:50 PM - 23 January, 2006
I like All black knobs on the TTM 57SL. AANy chance of getting a final weight and dimensions info for this mixer?
I'm going to try and pre-order now.
Thanks!
I'm going to try and pre-order now.
Thanks!
Sam
5:12 PM - 23 January, 2006
Sorry about that - try this: scratchlive.net
The dimensions are exactly the same as the Empath, I'm not sure of the weight yet.
The dimensions are exactly the same as the Empath, I'm not sure of the weight yet.
The Axledental DJ
5:19 PM - 23 January, 2006
Thats even better. I like the two grey P1/P2 knobs. Thanks! I hope I can pre-order one from someone..hmm..
bakasan
5:38 PM - 23 January, 2006
Please, please, please consider adding status lights to buttons besides the B1-B6 control buttons. One of the places I often spin at has a monitor that often goes out, forcing me to toggle between master and cue mode in my headphones all the time. I don't know how many times in the past year I've been distracted and forgotten what state the button was in and couldn't tell with just a simple glance.
I imagine it'd be the same w/ the new kill switches--if I were to accidentally have one depressed, I'd sure as hell like to be able to visually tell which one(s) were depressed and be able to fix it immediately (file this one under: "drunk person makes request, slips from hand railing and braces themselves from a fall by grabbing at my mixer").
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Maybe even add status lights of which position the buttons are in when pressed/toggled? if not, i'm totally cool with how it is (maybe tha price will rise cause of the extra hardware/L.E.D.s)Please, please, please consider adding status lights to buttons besides the B1-B6 control buttons. One of the places I often spin at has a monitor that often goes out, forcing me to toggle between master and cue mode in my headphones all the time. I don't know how many times in the past year I've been distracted and forgotten what state the button was in and couldn't tell with just a simple glance.
I imagine it'd be the same w/ the new kill switches--if I were to accidentally have one depressed, I'd sure as hell like to be able to visually tell which one(s) were depressed and be able to fix it immediately (file this one under: "drunk person makes request, slips from hand railing and braces themselves from a fall by grabbing at my mixer").
Detroitbootybass
5:52 PM - 23 January, 2006
Rane doesn't add 'fluff', like colorfully lit buttons, to their mixers... thank god.
click
6:17 PM - 23 January, 2006
And with grey Scratch LIVE parameter control knobs: scratchlive.net
Wow!! what a difference changing a couple of knobs can do!!!
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Here's a picture of the TTM 57SL with all-black knobs: scratchlive.netAnd with grey Scratch LIVE parameter control knobs: scratchlive.net
Wow!! what a difference changing a couple of knobs can do!!!
Steve M
6:38 PM - 23 January, 2006
There are no plans to allow changing the faceplate color.
Black or grey knobs? The jury's still out. I like black, but what do manufacturer's know? Cosmetics is a deeply subjective thing. I've always liked purple, personally, but we sure aren't going there. ; )
We're still chewing on a few things that showed up while demoing at NAMM. THANKS TO ALL WHO STOPPED BY!! One thing we may add is indicators next to some of the soft buttons. In order to ship in time (given that the first run is already sold), we're restricted to only certain changes since changing parts drastically now blows the ship schedule. Most parts have 12 to 20 week lead times between when we order and when vendors can get them to our door.
I'm not back in the office yet, so I can't go weigh the 57. I think it's more than 1 pound and less than 20.
Black or grey knobs? The jury's still out. I like black, but what do manufacturer's know? Cosmetics is a deeply subjective thing. I've always liked purple, personally, but we sure aren't going there. ; )
We're still chewing on a few things that showed up while demoing at NAMM. THANKS TO ALL WHO STOPPED BY!! One thing we may add is indicators next to some of the soft buttons. In order to ship in time (given that the first run is already sold), we're restricted to only certain changes since changing parts drastically now blows the ship schedule. Most parts have 12 to 20 week lead times between when we order and when vendors can get them to our door.
I'm not back in the office yet, so I can't go weigh the 57. I think it's more than 1 pound and less than 20.
DeezNotes
6:44 PM - 23 January, 2006
Sorry guys, I've tried multiple times to start a list of things I wish to see on current and future Rane mixers, but it's hard to list them in a way Rane can find it useful and user-friendly to everyone else.
I've written comments like that before and all everyone does is reply with negative opinionated responses. I don't necessarily need feedback, just for some manufacturers to listen to some end-users for future product implementation.
Although we use the 56 as our mobile mixer, I returned the one I bought as my personal mixer. I am more satisfied with my Xone:02, but that is personal preference. I haven't used the 57, so I don't feel right by doing an unofficial review... but what do I see???
- The channel swap button is in a bad location.
- The reverse buttons (up & cross faders) are also in bad locations.
- The up fader curve sliders were in a GREAT position on the 56, why change it?
- The EQ and gain knobs are more ergonomically correct than the 56 on this mixer.
- An indicator light on the cue would do wonders. I have this on the 02 and I miss it when DJing in dark clubs on the 56. The meters also change on the 02 as an alternate indicator, but light near the cue would do just fine - see Mic indicator.
- Why move the crossfader contour from the front?
- I'm glad the crossfader contour has been changed to one knob/slider. Using two knobs for one fader is cumbersome. It's a nice feature to have, but not practical.
- Pioneer has implemented an upfader curve that enables the "07 bug" where the fader cuts toward the top of the fader rather than the bottom. This "bug" actually works much better than the default (fader cuts at the bottom).
- I have a problem with the knobs. Not the color; just the overall design. I was disappointed when the knobs didn't look like the initial pictures: www.rane.com. For such a high quality mixer, I feel there are better alternatives - see the TTM 54. Those knob indicators were much easier to see in dim lights.
- Alternate knob colors and/or shapes would help to distinguish headphone, channel gains, etc. from other knobs. See TTM54.
- The Mic gain and Aux in have been swapped (from the 56 design). I can see why, but this does not match the overall design of the other channels.
- Are the joysticks true transform switches? Meaning transforming is their only purpose (when assigned I assume) instead of line/phono switches? True transform switches helps w/ SSL - see Xone:02. On a side note, the angle of the Xone:02's transform switches feels very natural.
- Universal power supply! Thank you!!! The clip broke on our 56 at the last gig and that cord doesn't like to stay in without it. Good thing we carry black duct tape.
- I'm sure the front panel can be utilized a little more. Not only for standard features, but possibly some of the new features you're displaying now. I've had to hook up a mic in the middle of a gig more than a few times... not saying it should go on the front, but just giving some in-field experience. I should note that the mixer is usually balanced between the TT coffins.
- Rane mixers are dark. Not much you can do about this except for optional faceplates. I'm not the only one who pushed the Channel 2 balance fader instead of the Cue fader while in a dark club.
- Love the faders.
I guess that's all for now... I'm sure I'll get plenty of feedback (positive and negative). Remember, we all have our opinions and feelings. No one can create the perfect anything. But, if I had magnetic faders in my 02... nevermind.
I just want the people who make some of the greatest mixers I've ever used to get some true in-the-field feedback. So, thanks in advance for listening.
I've written comments like that before and all everyone does is reply with negative opinionated responses. I don't necessarily need feedback, just for some manufacturers to listen to some end-users for future product implementation.
Although we use the 56 as our mobile mixer, I returned the one I bought as my personal mixer. I am more satisfied with my Xone:02, but that is personal preference. I haven't used the 57, so I don't feel right by doing an unofficial review... but what do I see???
- The channel swap button is in a bad location.
- The reverse buttons (up & cross faders) are also in bad locations.
- The up fader curve sliders were in a GREAT position on the 56, why change it?
- The EQ and gain knobs are more ergonomically correct than the 56 on this mixer.
- An indicator light on the cue would do wonders. I have this on the 02 and I miss it when DJing in dark clubs on the 56. The meters also change on the 02 as an alternate indicator, but light near the cue would do just fine - see Mic indicator.
- Why move the crossfader contour from the front?
- I'm glad the crossfader contour has been changed to one knob/slider. Using two knobs for one fader is cumbersome. It's a nice feature to have, but not practical.
- Pioneer has implemented an upfader curve that enables the "07 bug" where the fader cuts toward the top of the fader rather than the bottom. This "bug" actually works much better than the default (fader cuts at the bottom).
- I have a problem with the knobs. Not the color; just the overall design. I was disappointed when the knobs didn't look like the initial pictures: www.rane.com. For such a high quality mixer, I feel there are better alternatives - see the TTM 54. Those knob indicators were much easier to see in dim lights.
- Alternate knob colors and/or shapes would help to distinguish headphone, channel gains, etc. from other knobs. See TTM54.
- The Mic gain and Aux in have been swapped (from the 56 design). I can see why, but this does not match the overall design of the other channels.
- Are the joysticks true transform switches? Meaning transforming is their only purpose (when assigned I assume) instead of line/phono switches? True transform switches helps w/ SSL - see Xone:02. On a side note, the angle of the Xone:02's transform switches feels very natural.
- Universal power supply! Thank you!!! The clip broke on our 56 at the last gig and that cord doesn't like to stay in without it. Good thing we carry black duct tape.
- I'm sure the front panel can be utilized a little more. Not only for standard features, but possibly some of the new features you're displaying now. I've had to hook up a mic in the middle of a gig more than a few times... not saying it should go on the front, but just giving some in-field experience. I should note that the mixer is usually balanced between the TT coffins.
- Rane mixers are dark. Not much you can do about this except for optional faceplates. I'm not the only one who pushed the Channel 2 balance fader instead of the Cue fader while in a dark club.
- Love the faders.
I guess that's all for now... I'm sure I'll get plenty of feedback (positive and negative). Remember, we all have our opinions and feelings. No one can create the perfect anything. But, if I had magnetic faders in my 02... nevermind.
I just want the people who make some of the greatest mixers I've ever used to get some true in-the-field feedback. So, thanks in advance for listening.
DJ MDX
6:54 PM - 23 January, 2006
My vote goes in the following order:
I like the all Black knobs the best.
But I can live with the two grey knobs for the P1/P2 knobs.
I really do not like the original with all the grey knobs.
I like the all Black knobs the best.
But I can live with the two grey knobs for the P1/P2 knobs.
I really do not like the original with all the grey knobs.
ripple
7:03 PM - 23 January, 2006
Deeznotes:
- Pioneer has implemented an upfader curve that enables the "07 bug" where the fader cuts toward the top of the fader rather than the bottom. This "bug" actually works much better than the default (fader cuts at the bottom).
I believe this was answered in my question about the fadercurve, the 56 curve (or rather: it's location) sucks donkey balls.
Also: can the P1 and P2 dials be used as dry/wet for the fx? If there's no dry/wet that would really be a step down from the 56, i use it all the time with my loopstation.
- Pioneer has implemented an upfader curve that enables the "07 bug" where the fader cuts toward the top of the fader rather than the bottom. This "bug" actually works much better than the default (fader cuts at the bottom).
I believe this was answered in my question about the fadercurve, the 56 curve (or rather: it's location) sucks donkey balls.
Also: can the P1 and P2 dials be used as dry/wet for the fx? If there's no dry/wet that would really be a step down from the 56, i use it all the time with my loopstation.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
7:05 PM - 23 January, 2006
for the p1 p2 knobs, can i just remove em and custom paint to match the serato/rane "red"
Steve M
7:14 PM - 23 January, 2006
There are some significant mechanical reasons why we went this way such as fitting everything else we wanted inside the box. Also, complaints of accidentally adjusting them - from swaying hips? ; ) and being unable to see where they're set easily, especially in the dark. Granted, it's a "feel" thing after a time, but as you said, if we could please everyone, we'd all be retired on a beach somewhere.
Transforming is their only purpose (when assigned) the joysticks can be used at any angle.
This is the way it is already defined. It works this way as those who attended NAMM saw.
You can paint anything any way you'd like. Getting the paint to adhere well is a problem left to the painter, however, since it is not a design goal to allow easy painting of external parts! <grin>
Thanks for the feedback!
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- The up fader curve sliders were in a GREAT position on the 56, why change it?There are some significant mechanical reasons why we went this way such as fitting everything else we wanted inside the box. Also, complaints of accidentally adjusting them - from swaying hips? ; ) and being unable to see where they're set easily, especially in the dark. Granted, it's a "feel" thing after a time, but as you said, if we could please everyone, we'd all be retired on a beach somewhere.
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- Are the joysticks true transform switches?Transforming is their only purpose (when assigned) the joysticks can be used at any angle.
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...can the P1 and P2 dials be used as dry/wet for the fx?This is the way it is already defined. It works this way as those who attended NAMM saw.
You can paint anything any way you'd like. Getting the paint to adhere well is a problem left to the painter, however, since it is not a design goal to allow easy painting of external parts! <grin>
Thanks for the feedback!
Freddagreat
8:05 PM - 23 January, 2006
I agree with the usb 2.0 idea, I figure even thought 1.1 may work fine with the features the mixer currently has, who knows what new ideas may come up in the future. Why not have the extra bandwidth, it could come in handy.
if the 1st batch is already sold out, can u guys raffle off a mixer to a lucky serato forum user. :)
if the 1st batch is already sold out, can u guys raffle off a mixer to a lucky serato forum user. :)
DJ Quartz
8:18 PM - 23 January, 2006
Man, man, maaaaaaannnn...
I am really scratching my head now!
www.djquartz.ca
Basement Wonder has been trying to get me to switch from FS to SSL for about a year.
I've been testing out Traktor DJ Studio 3 because of the new features and lack of updates provided for Traktor Final Scratch.
But the idea of having all the hardware I need in one device is reaaallly making me re-think my setup.
I am really scratching my head now!
www.djquartz.ca
Basement Wonder has been trying to get me to switch from FS to SSL for about a year.
I've been testing out Traktor DJ Studio 3 because of the new features and lack of updates provided for Traktor Final Scratch.
But the idea of having all the hardware I need in one device is reaaallly making me re-think my setup.
DeezNotes
8:22 PM - 23 January, 2006
I know there aren't many older systems out there running USB, but I've seen computers throw a nasty 'High speed device plugged into low-speed USB port' on newer systems with incorrect drivers. It gets pretty ugly.
If the bandwidth is not needed and has room for growth using 1.1, stick with it for backwards compatibility. Once you start to lose that "room" for expansion, then they should think to upgrade.
If it's not needed, it would be a poor marketing strategy to release an updated interface when it's not needed - making SL1 users' devices somewhat obsolete.
If the bandwidth is not needed and has room for growth using 1.1, stick with it for backwards compatibility. Once you start to lose that "room" for expansion, then they should think to upgrade.
If it's not needed, it would be a poor marketing strategy to release an updated interface when it's not needed - making SL1 users' devices somewhat obsolete.
nik39
8:38 PM - 23 January, 2006
I also tried to convince you before you ran into FS2. And now after reading that NI has somehow stopped developing TFS2... what more can I say.
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Basement Wonder has been trying to get me to switch from FS to SSL for about a year.I also tried to convince you before you ran into FS2. And now after reading that NI has somehow stopped developing TFS2... what more can I say.
punosion
8:50 PM - 23 January, 2006
Uhh...linkage? >:)
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...And now after reading that NI has somehow stopped developing TFS2...Uhh...linkage? >:)
nik39
8:56 PM - 23 January, 2006
www.native-instruments.de <- click
Traktor DJ studio will continue to provide support for the FS2 system.
So NI aint responsible for TFS2 anymore. Not only customer support wise but also development wise. What a spit into ya face.
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TFS is owned sold and supported by Stanton. You would need to ask Stanton what their plans are. I think your answer will be roaring silence though. Stanton re-assumed responsibility for TFS2.0 last September.Traktor DJ studio will continue to provide support for the FS2 system.
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At one time there was a partnership between NI and Stanton. NI added support for FS in TDJS and were at one time responsible for support of TFS2. The partnership ended last year and Stanton resumed support for its part of the puzzle. NI have said they will continue to support FS TDJS aspects now and in the future. Upgrades to FS2 are on Stanton, continuing support for FS2 in Traktor DJ is owned by NI.So NI aint responsible for TFS2 anymore. Not only customer support wise but also development wise. What a spit into ya face.
DJ Quartz
9:00 PM - 23 January, 2006
Just to clarify...
Stanton took development/support over for TFS2 as of September last year.
However trying to get an answer on when we can expect an update has fallen to silence.
One thing that would be nice is if I could get SSL to work with the FS2 hardware.
WHY? So I can learn the software and test it thoroughly before changing my whole setup.
I would be willing to pay for a FS-plug in for SSL as we speak with the way things are going right now.
Right now I have no way of comparing SSL to TFS2/TDJS 3.0 so that is my dilemna with making the decision.
See for me the problem isn't the FS hardware, I like the FS hardware. The problem I have is with the software support. I wish it was possible to use a different software package with FS.
@ NIK39
I remember us having a discussions about the switch as well.
Stanton took development/support over for TFS2 as of September last year.
However trying to get an answer on when we can expect an update has fallen to silence.
One thing that would be nice is if I could get SSL to work with the FS2 hardware.
WHY? So I can learn the software and test it thoroughly before changing my whole setup.
I would be willing to pay for a FS-plug in for SSL as we speak with the way things are going right now.
Right now I have no way of comparing SSL to TFS2/TDJS 3.0 so that is my dilemna with making the decision.
See for me the problem isn't the FS hardware, I like the FS hardware. The problem I have is with the software support. I wish it was possible to use a different software package with FS.
@ NIK39
I remember us having a discussions about the switch as well.
DJ Quartz
9:05 PM - 23 January, 2006
I have been silently reading the Rane forums since March 2004. One thing I can say is I prefer the attitudes over here.
I have been in arguements on the NI forum when trying to express valid points regarding faults in the NI software.
Once again, if SSL could support alternative hardware I would be more than willing to test it and make the switch to the software satisfies my DJ needs.
I have been in arguements on the NI forum when trying to express valid points regarding faults in the NI software.
Once again, if SSL could support alternative hardware I would be more than willing to test it and make the switch to the software satisfies my DJ needs.
nik39
9:06 PM - 23 January, 2006
quartz, isnt mexican around your corner so you could testdrive his (now two) SSL?
DJ Quartz
9:13 PM - 23 January, 2006
@ Nik39
Oh hell no. Mexicaaannn is in Ontario. I'm in Saskatchewan.
I would have to hop on a plane, ha ha ha
Nobody in my remote area is using SSL at the current time. Everyone is using FS.
What angers me is every release of FS has eventually been dropped on it's ass and all I get is excuses. Then they expect people to BUY a new version when the previous release wasn't complete.
Oh hell no. Mexicaaannn is in Ontario. I'm in Saskatchewan.
I would have to hop on a plane, ha ha ha
Nobody in my remote area is using SSL at the current time. Everyone is using FS.
What angers me is every release of FS has eventually been dropped on it's ass and all I get is excuses. Then they expect people to BUY a new version when the previous release wasn't complete.
punosion
9:25 PM - 23 January, 2006
Come to the SLL side. Things are much brighter over here...case in point: the TTM/57SL. :)
nik39
9:30 PM - 23 January, 2006
Name sounds like russian city. BTW they had -34°C in Moscow in the last days. And this night its going to be -22°C in Germany as well. Hell. Hm. I think even in hell its going to be a cold night tonight :-)
No pun, but you should have know when they announced 2.0. The history did tell already at that time.
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Oh hell no. Mexicaaannn is in Ontario. I'm in Saskatchewan.Name sounds like russian city. BTW they had -34°C in Moscow in the last days. And this night its going to be -22°C in Germany as well. Hell. Hm. I think even in hell its going to be a cold night tonight :-)
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What angers me is every release of FS has eventually been dropped on it's ass and all I get is excuses. Then they expect people to BUY a new version when the previous release wasn't complete.No pun, but you should have know when they announced 2.0. The history did tell already at that time.
DJ Quartz
9:32 PM - 23 January, 2006
Keep in mind though the advantage of having a SL1 or FS box is being able to plug into any existing mixer setup.
Sometimes you might not have the option of taking your own mixer.
Sometimes you might not have the option of taking your own mixer.
skinnyguy
9:44 PM - 23 January, 2006
i like the black p1 knobs. i can also live with grey p1 knobs and it might even be better so it can be differentiated easier from eq knobs.
only thing which bugs me is the red vertical lines separating the eq and mic sections. i prefer an all black/white/gray scheme with the exception for the serato logo.
only thing which bugs me is the red vertical lines separating the eq and mic sections. i prefer an all black/white/gray scheme with the exception for the serato logo.
DJ Quartz
9:45 PM - 23 January, 2006
@ Nik39
Every release of FS has been dropped pretty much.
StantonFS 1.0 Linux was dropped which was a good thing actually.
TFS 1.1.x (Linux - $50) was dropped because it was switched to TFS 1.5 for Windows. ($50)
TFS 1.5.x also ceased development causing people to switch to TFS 2.0.x for added functionality requiring new hardware ($899).
TFS 2.0.x has ceased development since April 2005 and there has been NO official statement from Stanton that new releases will continue.
Final Scratch support has been continued in Traktor DJ Studio 3 which carries a $299 (US) upgrade price tag. But FS support is buggy as hell in TDJS3 as you will see from my posts.
This is what has sparked my interest in SSL using the FS hardware. The only thing I'm not familar with is the SSL software right now.
I already have the 1.5 software but have no way to test it right now.
If SSL had the same FS support, sound quality, real-time looping, built-in effects like DJ Studio 3... I could switch.
Now I know Rane's standpoint would be... Why would we support FS when we spent R&D time and money to make our interface, right?
My point is software sales and market growth. Rane already has a good rep based on the software/hardware solution.
What if they could sell the SSL software just on it's own to work on other platforms as well?
That would be another source of cash for them. :)
Every release of FS has been dropped pretty much.
StantonFS 1.0 Linux was dropped which was a good thing actually.
TFS 1.1.x (Linux - $50) was dropped because it was switched to TFS 1.5 for Windows. ($50)
TFS 1.5.x also ceased development causing people to switch to TFS 2.0.x for added functionality requiring new hardware ($899).
TFS 2.0.x has ceased development since April 2005 and there has been NO official statement from Stanton that new releases will continue.
Final Scratch support has been continued in Traktor DJ Studio 3 which carries a $299 (US) upgrade price tag. But FS support is buggy as hell in TDJS3 as you will see from my posts.
This is what has sparked my interest in SSL using the FS hardware. The only thing I'm not familar with is the SSL software right now.
I already have the 1.5 software but have no way to test it right now.
If SSL had the same FS support, sound quality, real-time looping, built-in effects like DJ Studio 3... I could switch.
Now I know Rane's standpoint would be... Why would we support FS when we spent R&D time and money to make our interface, right?
My point is software sales and market growth. Rane already has a good rep based on the software/hardware solution.
What if they could sell the SSL software just on it's own to work on other platforms as well?
That would be another source of cash for them. :)
DJ MDX
9:46 PM - 23 January, 2006
That statement alone should be enough reason to leave and come to the SSL side.
I dont see why SSL should ever make their software compatible with the FS2 SA...especially when the software is free via this forum.
Not only that they would have to constantly support it and if there is a real problem with the FS2 SA, or change, then SSL could take unwarranted heat because of it.
I like it the way it is now. Everything is in one house and QA is controlled in one house. I hate to make this comparison but that is the reason why I also prefer Mac over Windows.
All you have to do is a simple search for my name on the NI/FS2 site and you will see all the hell I went through with them.
I made one report to the SSL Team here about a concern I had and in what I think was 2 weeks, they released a patch and I have been in heaven ever since.
I know I have said this before but I never tire of saying it.
Superior
Support
Leader
That means a lot in my book!!!!
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.....What angers me is every release of FS has eventually been dropped on it's ass and all I get is excuses. Then they expect people to BUY a new version when the previous release wasn't complete.That statement alone should be enough reason to leave and come to the SSL side.
I dont see why SSL should ever make their software compatible with the FS2 SA...especially when the software is free via this forum.
Not only that they would have to constantly support it and if there is a real problem with the FS2 SA, or change, then SSL could take unwarranted heat because of it.
I like it the way it is now. Everything is in one house and QA is controlled in one house. I hate to make this comparison but that is the reason why I also prefer Mac over Windows.
All you have to do is a simple search for my name on the NI/FS2 site and you will see all the hell I went through with them.
I made one report to the SSL Team here about a concern I had and in what I think was 2 weeks, they released a patch and I have been in heaven ever since.
I know I have said this before but I never tire of saying it.
Superior
Support
Leader
That means a lot in my book!!!!
DJMark
9:47 PM - 23 January, 2006
Stanton took development/support over for TFS2 as of September last year.
However trying to get an answer on when we can expect an update has fallen to silence.
One thing that would be nice is if I could get SSL to work with the FS2 hardware.
WHY? So I can learn the software and test it thoroughly before changing my whole setup.
I think you might be slightly amazed by how easy a change it would be....I dumped FS2 for SSL a little over a month ago, and found it an extremely painless transition. I was up and running with SSL literally in a matter of minutes, never having used it before.
That aside, "Stanton" and "support" are contradictions in terms. Their leaving FS2 users twisting in the wind for the better part of a year is completely inexcusable. And (leaving aside the whole USB/Firewire equation, which in the context of the actual product requirements turns out to be pretty much irrelevant) the SSL box is a much better design than the FS2 box. Most importantly (since I often play regular records when DJ-ing) the sound of "real" vinyl does not degrade when run through the SSL box the way it does with the FS2.
Hearing that Traktor 3 has major incompatibility issues with the shipping-for-eight-months version of the Mac OS is another item that leaves me with very little confidence in maintaining any investment in that universe. I maintain a small thread of hope that NI will somehow get things together (they at least seem to be taking the issues seriously at this point, which is a major improvement over what I've seen over most of the last year), but I can't let their flawed software development interfere with my career.
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Just to clarify...Stanton took development/support over for TFS2 as of September last year.
However trying to get an answer on when we can expect an update has fallen to silence.
One thing that would be nice is if I could get SSL to work with the FS2 hardware.
WHY? So I can learn the software and test it thoroughly before changing my whole setup.
I think you might be slightly amazed by how easy a change it would be....I dumped FS2 for SSL a little over a month ago, and found it an extremely painless transition. I was up and running with SSL literally in a matter of minutes, never having used it before.
That aside, "Stanton" and "support" are contradictions in terms. Their leaving FS2 users twisting in the wind for the better part of a year is completely inexcusable. And (leaving aside the whole USB/Firewire equation, which in the context of the actual product requirements turns out to be pretty much irrelevant) the SSL box is a much better design than the FS2 box. Most importantly (since I often play regular records when DJ-ing) the sound of "real" vinyl does not degrade when run through the SSL box the way it does with the FS2.
Hearing that Traktor 3 has major incompatibility issues with the shipping-for-eight-months version of the Mac OS is another item that leaves me with very little confidence in maintaining any investment in that universe. I maintain a small thread of hope that NI will somehow get things together (they at least seem to be taking the issues seriously at this point, which is a major improvement over what I've seen over most of the last year), but I can't let their flawed software development interfere with my career.
nik39
10:14 PM - 23 January, 2006
Every release of FS has been dropped pretty much.
I know. I know the whole story, and I also tried all I can to talk to NI, I even tried to contact Friedemann (Dev Leader for FS at that time) and... I missed him. All emails were ignored. I talked to the stupid tech support guy over there. And I realized, its a mess. And I am being ripped off. I had the chance to get FS2 for a very special deal (neither from NI nor from stanton, both said seomthing like "its not our problem, ask stanton/NI" or whatever f****** excuse they had. Whatever. I tried SSL 2 years ago (it was SSL 1.0!) and I fell in love.
My FS2 amp is a real good ASIO device (...if it works, it had to be replace after 6 months of very very little home useage, it was broken), 3 stereo in, 3 stereo out, 2 phono pre-amps. Nice thing, really. But this POS is very sensitive to ground loops. :-( I would like to use the SSL amp to record my records, but it doesnt have an anolog adjustable level for the incoming phono signal, so I cant get the best sound if I record via SSL. What a pity.
But since I switched to SSL, I dont carry around my vinyl crates with me. With FS I always (yeah silly, init?) had my vinyls with me, just in case anything goes wrong. With SSL I found back the trust, and after 9 months of using SSL or so, I have left my records at home, only with one emergency bag of records in case I got a screwed TT or in case *knocking on wood* anything happens, which has not been the case yet.
History written. Looking forward to the TTM57, just gotta see if I got enough loot, cause its going to be very expensive (as all Rane gear) here over seas.
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@ Nik39Every release of FS has been dropped pretty much.
I know. I know the whole story, and I also tried all I can to talk to NI, I even tried to contact Friedemann (Dev Leader for FS at that time) and... I missed him. All emails were ignored. I talked to the stupid tech support guy over there. And I realized, its a mess. And I am being ripped off. I had the chance to get FS2 for a very special deal (neither from NI nor from stanton, both said seomthing like "its not our problem, ask stanton/NI" or whatever f****** excuse they had. Whatever. I tried SSL 2 years ago (it was SSL 1.0!) and I fell in love.
My FS2 amp is a real good ASIO device (...if it works, it had to be replace after 6 months of very very little home useage, it was broken), 3 stereo in, 3 stereo out, 2 phono pre-amps. Nice thing, really. But this POS is very sensitive to ground loops. :-( I would like to use the SSL amp to record my records, but it doesnt have an anolog adjustable level for the incoming phono signal, so I cant get the best sound if I record via SSL. What a pity.
But since I switched to SSL, I dont carry around my vinyl crates with me. With FS I always (yeah silly, init?) had my vinyls with me, just in case anything goes wrong. With SSL I found back the trust, and after 9 months of using SSL or so, I have left my records at home, only with one emergency bag of records in case I got a screwed TT or in case *knocking on wood* anything happens, which has not been the case yet.
History written. Looking forward to the TTM57, just gotta see if I got enough loot, cause its going to be very expensive (as all Rane gear) here over seas.
DJ Quartz
10:22 PM - 23 January, 2006
I have read these posts before and I saw from day one that Rane has superior support for SSL.... Hands Down.
One my downfalls is that financially I cannot afford to sell my system and buy a whole new system this point in time. It's not happening. But I could afford to buy just software.
I personally never had any problems with the FS2 hardware. I've just had problems with the software side of things.
Here is a better question. I noticed that the new SSL will support ASIO. Now is it just going to be ASIO support for Rane devices or will it support anything?
I would be willing to buy SSL with universal ASIO support + SSL Control records and team up with some guys and make an open driver for the FS2 box.
SL1 & FS2 interfaces are just soundcards in a nutshell, really.
One my downfalls is that financially I cannot afford to sell my system and buy a whole new system this point in time. It's not happening. But I could afford to buy just software.
I personally never had any problems with the FS2 hardware. I've just had problems with the software side of things.
Here is a better question. I noticed that the new SSL will support ASIO. Now is it just going to be ASIO support for Rane devices or will it support anything?
I would be willing to buy SSL with universal ASIO support + SSL Control records and team up with some guys and make an open driver for the FS2 box.
SL1 & FS2 interfaces are just soundcards in a nutshell, really.
nik39
10:25 PM - 23 January, 2006
There is not "just software", sorry.
What do you mean? BTW, the SSL1 device will also get ASIO drivers, this has been confirmed.
That sounds interesting. So you would emulate a FS2 device on any AISO device? Interesting, technically. Practically, why?
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But I could afford to buy just software.There is not "just software", sorry.
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Here is a better question. I noticed that the new SSL will support ASIO. Now is it just going to be ASIO support for Rane devices or will it support anything?What do you mean? BTW, the SSL1 device will also get ASIO drivers, this has been confirmed.
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make an open driver for the FS2 box.That sounds interesting. So you would emulate a FS2 device on any AISO device? Interesting, technically. Practically, why?
AKIEM
10:29 PM - 23 January, 2006
@nik39
separate 1 and 2 channels post fader.
I dont have my 56 in front of me now, but what I remember planing was to change the L and R flexEfx outs to stereo 1&2 outs. What it looked like to me is that at a certain point in the signal path after the fader the FOUR, 1 & 2 is summed to the TWO. L and R. I was figuring that some of the circuitry would have to be replicated, doubled, possibly set up another small board. probably have to detach the plugs from the main board, maybe not as if I remember correctly those mono plugs would be good for stereo too.
I wouldnt attempt this myself but there is a couple places I know that could pull it off (if it were possible).
oh, and add a switch on the back if I need to switch back to normal.
so Im wondering about the usb outs. Two seperate channels post fader right?
I use Sound Studio to record stereo, and I use Digital Performer for multitrack. I think I will want to avoid pulling up DP just to record a mix, 4 channels. I guess I will be hunting down some other lighter multitrack soft recorder to record mixes. any ideas?
But ideally I would like to just go analog out 4 channels to VS1880 to record mixes.
so maybe I will eventually do the mod. I dont know yet.
If its important enough to have the separate outs digital, why not analog too? no extra plugs, just a switch, mono/stereo.
do it
separate 1 and 2 channels post fader.
I dont have my 56 in front of me now, but what I remember planing was to change the L and R flexEfx outs to stereo 1&2 outs. What it looked like to me is that at a certain point in the signal path after the fader the FOUR, 1 & 2 is summed to the TWO. L and R. I was figuring that some of the circuitry would have to be replicated, doubled, possibly set up another small board. probably have to detach the plugs from the main board, maybe not as if I remember correctly those mono plugs would be good for stereo too.
I wouldnt attempt this myself but there is a couple places I know that could pull it off (if it were possible).
oh, and add a switch on the back if I need to switch back to normal.
so Im wondering about the usb outs. Two seperate channels post fader right?
I use Sound Studio to record stereo, and I use Digital Performer for multitrack. I think I will want to avoid pulling up DP just to record a mix, 4 channels. I guess I will be hunting down some other lighter multitrack soft recorder to record mixes. any ideas?
But ideally I would like to just go analog out 4 channels to VS1880 to record mixes.
so maybe I will eventually do the mod. I dont know yet.
If its important enough to have the separate outs digital, why not analog too? no extra plugs, just a switch, mono/stereo.
do it
DJ Quartz
10:32 PM - 23 January, 2006
@ Nik39
My point is, if I could an SSL version that I could possibly work with my exisiting hardware, great!
Otherwise I wouldn't be switching for some time because at $999 (US) for TTM57SL. I can't do it right now.
SSL currently sells for $599 and I'm already paying for FS2, so unless I got my full price back for FS2... You know the rest.
My point is, if I could an SSL version that I could possibly work with my exisiting hardware, great!
Otherwise I wouldn't be switching for some time because at $999 (US) for TTM57SL. I can't do it right now.
SSL currently sells for $599 and I'm already paying for FS2, so unless I got my full price back for FS2... You know the rest.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
10:37 PM - 23 January, 2006
*breathing in DarthVader's robotic voice*
Quartz.....Quartz....join the force Luke...i meant, Quartz....
Quartz.....Quartz....join the force Luke...i meant, Quartz....
nik39
10:38 PM - 23 January, 2006
You can get SSL for $470 US! You can still sell your FS2 over seas, the price is something around 750EUR ( cgi.ebay.de <- click) for a new unit. So there should be more than enough "headroom" if you sell your FS2 incl. TDJ2.6 used.
custom_1
11:01 PM - 23 January, 2006
the magic is in the ssl hardware, you can't get better preformance outta a inferior peice of hardware. Also
"If SSL had the same FS support, sound quality, real-time looping, built-in effects like DJ Studio 3... I could switch"
Ya, your right, their support is BETTER then FS, Sound quality i cant' speak for but it must be the same if not better(everything else is) and real-time looping will be in 1.5 of SSL software(as it's in the beta now). The new 57SL has built in effects but i dont' see the draw to adding more cpu/memory load on your machine for producing these things when you can have hardware do it independantly of SSL/FS.
"If SSL had the same FS support, sound quality, real-time looping, built-in effects like DJ Studio 3... I could switch"
Ya, your right, their support is BETTER then FS, Sound quality i cant' speak for but it must be the same if not better(everything else is) and real-time looping will be in 1.5 of SSL software(as it's in the beta now). The new 57SL has built in effects but i dont' see the draw to adding more cpu/memory load on your machine for producing these things when you can have hardware do it independantly of SSL/FS.
custom_1
1:13 AM - 24 January, 2006
ya i know the dsp's are on the mixer, i meant i don't see why he wants all that flash of things you would not expect your turntable/mixer to do to do. I mean the 909 and the 57SL are now mixers that do this without putting a additional load on the cpu. Sorry if i was unclear.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
1:19 AM - 24 January, 2006
yo Quartz, i used to see you posted all over FS2 (when i used to be an FS2 user).... you will be a big plus to our close knit community here at RSSL land :)
dj mike c.
dj mike c.
DJ Quartz
1:26 AM - 24 January, 2006
Thanks Mike, I appreciate that.
I guess people are slighty missing my point.
Right now I'm looking for a software solution for my existing hardware.
If SSL 1.6 could be that software solution and I can buy it, I will.
Then I can use it and save up and trade in my TTM56 for a 57SL... ;)
I guess people are slighty missing my point.
Right now I'm looking for a software solution for my existing hardware.
If SSL 1.6 could be that software solution and I can buy it, I will.
Then I can use it and save up and trade in my TTM56 for a 57SL... ;)
DJ Quartz
1:29 AM - 24 January, 2006
Whoops, I missed a sentence.
I would trade in my TTM56 & FS2 package for a TTM57SL... :)
I would trade in my TTM56 & FS2 package for a TTM57SL... :)
DJ Quartz
1:52 AM - 24 January, 2006
Scratchworx posted some Namm pics... :)
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punosion
1:58 AM - 24 January, 2006
Nice...thanks for the links! Those are better than most we've seen so far.
DjWoody
2:11 AM - 24 January, 2006
Quartz, lemme share my story. I have FS1. Last month, I was scheduled to do a marathon set (7 hours). I didn't have all my music in CDs or vinyls, so I decided to dust out Final Scratch 2 days before my gig. I kept getting horrible sounds, drop outs and other problems. I contacted Stanton and told them straight out that if I didnt get my FS fixed before my gig, I was gonna switch. They told me that my fix was a $399 Upgrade. I laughed so hard. I began burning CDs. The day of my gig arrives. A few hours before my schedule appearance I gave up. I ran to Guitar Center and bought SSL just 3 hours before my gig. I went to my show and took a big risk. I hooked up my SSL, and without any previous experience, and tons of music on my external hardrive, I pulled a 7 hour gig without any problems what so ever. Ever since then, I use SSL in every gig possible.
Point to my story is, if FS works on your set up, the SSL will be a breeze. The set up is similar, if not easier than FS. If I pulled a 7 hour gig with no previous experience, then you should be fine.
- Woody
Point to my story is, if FS works on your set up, the SSL will be a breeze. The set up is similar, if not easier than FS. If I pulled a 7 hour gig with no previous experience, then you should be fine.
- Woody
DJ Dynamight
2:18 AM - 24 January, 2006
I would have been content with a TTM56 II that had phono/line inputs and dedicated transform switches.
With the TTM57's ability to control SSL directly from the mixer, I am in heaven!!
All the other perks are just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned.
Quick question--just to put things in to perspective--as far as the first run being sold out, how many units are manufactured a month?
Too bad Rane isn't a publicly traded company...lol
With the TTM57's ability to control SSL directly from the mixer, I am in heaven!!
All the other perks are just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned.
Quick question--just to put things in to perspective--as far as the first run being sold out, how many units are manufactured a month?
Too bad Rane isn't a publicly traded company...lol
DJ Quartz
2:42 AM - 24 January, 2006
@ Woody
I agree that I could probably learn SSL in a drop of a hat. Computers & Software are second nature to me if not a close first now.
I currently have SSL 1.5 public beta on my workstation. But all I can do is poke at it right now. It has the nice interface disconnected message.... :(
The reason I have been testing DJ Studio 3 is because people were nice enough to hook me up with it after yelling about TFS2 not being upgraded etc. Then I was hooked up with the 3.0.1 update because I yelled about timecode tracking sucking really bad in 3.0.0
I also posted right on the NI site that I refuse to pay a penny for it until I'm satisfied FS works 100% with it which it doesn't at the current time.
TFS2 took a whole five minutes for me to get up and running. So SSL should take the same. I did read the changelog on 1.5PB now having the horizontal waveform. So it should be really easy to adapt.
But the problem right now is DJS3 has everything I want for features but I need a stable support system behind the software.
For me to switch to SSL from DJS3 right now, I would need these feature to feature matches.
- Realtime Looping (TDJS3, SSL 1.5 Final)
- Key Correct (TFS2/TDJS3, SSL Paid Plug-in when available)
- FS2 Hardware Support (TFS2/TDJS3 only at the time being)
- ASIO Support (TDJS3)
- Recording Capability (FS2 Hardware has extra input, SSL 1.5 Final through Mic Input)
- True Skipless Mode (TFS2/TDJS3 only)
- Pre-Listen through Headphone output (FS2 Hardware only)
- Built-In Software Audio Effects (TDJS3 Only)
I agree that I could probably learn SSL in a drop of a hat. Computers & Software are second nature to me if not a close first now.
I currently have SSL 1.5 public beta on my workstation. But all I can do is poke at it right now. It has the nice interface disconnected message.... :(
The reason I have been testing DJ Studio 3 is because people were nice enough to hook me up with it after yelling about TFS2 not being upgraded etc. Then I was hooked up with the 3.0.1 update because I yelled about timecode tracking sucking really bad in 3.0.0
I also posted right on the NI site that I refuse to pay a penny for it until I'm satisfied FS works 100% with it which it doesn't at the current time.
TFS2 took a whole five minutes for me to get up and running. So SSL should take the same. I did read the changelog on 1.5PB now having the horizontal waveform. So it should be really easy to adapt.
But the problem right now is DJS3 has everything I want for features but I need a stable support system behind the software.
For me to switch to SSL from DJS3 right now, I would need these feature to feature matches.
- Realtime Looping (TDJS3, SSL 1.5 Final)
- Key Correct (TFS2/TDJS3, SSL Paid Plug-in when available)
- FS2 Hardware Support (TFS2/TDJS3 only at the time being)
- ASIO Support (TDJS3)
- Recording Capability (FS2 Hardware has extra input, SSL 1.5 Final through Mic Input)
- True Skipless Mode (TFS2/TDJS3 only)
- Pre-Listen through Headphone output (FS2 Hardware only)
- Built-In Software Audio Effects (TDJS3 Only)
DeezNotes
2:45 AM - 24 January, 2006
Quartz, I think I understand where you're coming from. I don't think your request will be fulfilled. I would just take that money you have for your "software purchase" and buy SSL if your current solution doesn't meet your needs.
Other than that, sounds like you'll have to collaborate with some hackers or programmers or something.
Other than that, sounds like you'll have to collaborate with some hackers or programmers or something.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
2:45 AM - 24 January, 2006
ok, here's another suggestion/solution to the issue where some folks already own sl1 or for those who just want the 'mixer w/ssl for it's new and improved features over TTM56... or like Dj_Dynamight refers to as TTM56ii' :
- build the TTM57SL so that that you have the option to purchase as an all-in-one solution....mixer complete with ssl built in.
- build a variation of the TTM57SL called the TTM57 (price lower than the TTM57SL):
this mixer will have all the options as the TTM57SL, but minus the ssl..... the difference will be that the TTM57 will have will have (not sure of the exact term) 'docking station' like a carport or a cave or a garage where you can park (dock) your regular sl1 and have a fully functioning TTM57SL, just like that ol' animation TV show G-Force where the Phoenix (mothership) is the TTM57 and the sl1 is the mini-jet and race car and motorcycle and (i forget the other vehicles)
- build the TTM57SL so that that you have the option to purchase as an all-in-one solution....mixer complete with ssl built in.
- build a variation of the TTM57SL called the TTM57 (price lower than the TTM57SL):
this mixer will have all the options as the TTM57SL, but minus the ssl..... the difference will be that the TTM57 will have will have (not sure of the exact term) 'docking station' like a carport or a cave or a garage where you can park (dock) your regular sl1 and have a fully functioning TTM57SL, just like that ol' animation TV show G-Force where the Phoenix (mothership) is the TTM57 and the sl1 is the mini-jet and race car and motorcycle and (i forget the other vehicles)
anewsome
3:06 AM - 24 January, 2006
All of you who are screaming for USB 2.0 support need to remember that all that added bandwidth of 2.0 consumes more processor power. Try it for yourself, max out the data bus of a USB 2.0 device and watch all of your CPU get used up by the data marshalling of the USB 2.0 bus. USB is not like firewire, where all the "smarts" are built into the controller and devices. USB bus and devices are essientally "dumb" and need considerable host CPU power during heavy processing (unlike firewire and other technologies). Don't believe me? Try for yourself.
I, for one am glad that the 57 uses USB 1.x. That is one less CPU hog my machine will use.
I, for one am glad that the 57 uses USB 1.x. That is one less CPU hog my machine will use.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
3:16 AM - 24 January, 2006
... that reminds me.....at NAMM, how did it go with the FS Ni/Stanton booth? was folks like lining up demanding a refund? :)
DJ Quartz
3:25 AM - 24 January, 2006
@ Anewsome
That would explain why FS2 uses firewire. I never really got a chance to research the difference in the two technologies.
It's similiar to the difference bewtween IDE & SCSI. IDE uses some of the host CPU to process data where SCSI has it's own CPU to handle the processing.
@ DeezNotes
I pretty much knew that SSL+FS2 thing would probably never happen. But I just wanted to throw it out there to see what people would say or even Rane at that, :p
I will just have to watch both products mature and see what happens while I save cash to jump if a fire breaks out.
Ahh well...
That would explain why FS2 uses firewire. I never really got a chance to research the difference in the two technologies.
It's similiar to the difference bewtween IDE & SCSI. IDE uses some of the host CPU to process data where SCSI has it's own CPU to handle the processing.
@ DeezNotes
I pretty much knew that SSL+FS2 thing would probably never happen. But I just wanted to throw it out there to see what people would say or even Rane at that, :p
I will just have to watch both products mature and see what happens while I save cash to jump if a fire breaks out.
Ahh well...
DJ Quartz
3:26 AM - 24 January, 2006
I guess I will just have to brush up on my programming skills and make a hybrid driver and scare the sh** out of everyone... :p
mexicannnnnn
3:37 AM - 24 January, 2006
You would have serious timing issues trying to do that....
Just make the switch... you know you want to.
Man.. I'm so happy Im free from that FS2 ball and chain. It's a much happier place here.
Just make the switch... you know you want to.
Man.. I'm so happy Im free from that FS2 ball and chain. It's a much happier place here.
The Axledental DJ
3:39 AM - 24 January, 2006
Well, Sam and all, I just pre-orderd my Rane TTM 57SL (using credit card hehe) from djdeals.com. I hope I get the first shipment that djdeals.com is geting of this awesome Rane mixer!
Thanks to all and Sam and SSL and Rane team for answering my questions and for making such a wonderful product.
Thanks to all and Sam and SSL and Rane team for answering my questions and for making such a wonderful product.
DJ Quartz
3:54 AM - 24 January, 2006
@ Mexicannnn
If it was as simple as just making a switch, no problem.
But I'm bounded by hardware right now and I have stuff to get done.
So I have to get my hustle on and make a decision down the road from now.
I will keep reading the forums and see what direction SSL 1.6 is going.
If it was as simple as just making a switch, no problem.
But I'm bounded by hardware right now and I have stuff to get done.
So I have to get my hustle on and make a decision down the road from now.
I will keep reading the forums and see what direction SSL 1.6 is going.
yuri
4:30 AM - 24 January, 2006
definitely like the black knobs with grey P1 & P2. They should definitely make some extra faceplates for this. There is so much empty space, it really needs some spicing up asthetically. IMO
mexicannnnnn
4:39 AM - 24 January, 2006
Agree with the black and greay p1 p2. As for the faceplates... that can come later... there is lots of time for that.
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definitely like the black knobs with grey P1 & P2. They should definitely make some extra faceplates for this. There is so much empty space, it really needs some spicing up asthetically. IMOAgree with the black and greay p1 p2. As for the faceplates... that can come later... there is lots of time for that.
anewsome
4:40 AM - 24 January, 2006
@yuri - i think most of the people here don't like a lot of spice. that would include me :-)
i like it plain and clean. not a lot of superflous markings and graphics for no good reason.
i like it plain and clean. not a lot of superflous markings and graphics for no good reason.
mexicannnnnn
4:41 AM - 24 January, 2006
Quartz I know what you mean. I had to save up for ssl...while I had FS2 at the same time. I didn't end up selling fs2 until a while later.
Actually I had to pay for 2 SSL units cuz my buddy hasnt paid me for his unit yet that I got for him :-(
Actually I had to pay for 2 SSL units cuz my buddy hasnt paid me for his unit yet that I got for him :-(
DJ MDX
4:45 AM - 24 January, 2006
Hey Mexicannnnn,
Doesn't all this sound way too familiar back when you and I were talking about your conversion from FS2 to SSL?
Quartz,
I understand your situation but, IMO, just like everyone else has stated the move would be the smartest most stable move for you to make based on the history of that dreaded company.
I know you say you need all those extra's to satisfy your needs but we all DJ at clubs, mobiles, tours, and battles every weekend and most of us would love to have all those extras but what we do have works and works when we work....which is why we all own and use it daily/weekly.
In short I find it very hard to believe you, or anyone, really would be at a loss if they did not have every one of those features right off the bat.
The only thing I really miss is Key Lock/MT but that is because I have been spoiled with it since it was introduced and abused so much that we now take it for granted. But the temporary absence of this plug-in has enhanced my awareness of what too mix together and what not mix together and has not really hindered me in any way.
Bottom line for me as it has always been and what I have said to many and proven in all your statements you have made so far in regard to having a stable and reliable software/hardware solution is, what good is it to have a grocery list of items if half of them don’t work, don’t work together, or only work half-ass....IMO SSL is the only solution for me...and I am a former FS2 owner.
Good luck on what ever you decide...you are just prolonging the inevitable ;-)
Doesn't all this sound way too familiar back when you and I were talking about your conversion from FS2 to SSL?
Quartz,
I understand your situation but, IMO, just like everyone else has stated the move would be the smartest most stable move for you to make based on the history of that dreaded company.
I know you say you need all those extra's to satisfy your needs but we all DJ at clubs, mobiles, tours, and battles every weekend and most of us would love to have all those extras but what we do have works and works when we work....which is why we all own and use it daily/weekly.
In short I find it very hard to believe you, or anyone, really would be at a loss if they did not have every one of those features right off the bat.
The only thing I really miss is Key Lock/MT but that is because I have been spoiled with it since it was introduced and abused so much that we now take it for granted. But the temporary absence of this plug-in has enhanced my awareness of what too mix together and what not mix together and has not really hindered me in any way.
Bottom line for me as it has always been and what I have said to many and proven in all your statements you have made so far in regard to having a stable and reliable software/hardware solution is, what good is it to have a grocery list of items if half of them don’t work, don’t work together, or only work half-ass....IMO SSL is the only solution for me...and I am a former FS2 owner.
Good luck on what ever you decide...you are just prolonging the inevitable ;-)
click
4:49 AM - 24 January, 2006
Did I just hear someone ask if Serato will make software to run on Final Scrub hardware???
mexicannnnnn
5:07 AM - 24 January, 2006
MDX, yes its brings back memories...
The first time I thought of switching to SSL was when it first came out and this DJ I know from Boston was using FS1.0 here in Toronto (Frankie G.) and had it mess up on him so many times and he got fed up and switched.
I was feeling the same burn from FS1.1 but i kept beliveing all the hype NI / Stanton was feeding me.. so I got FS1.5... then 2.0...then TDJS2.6.
Before I got 2.0 nik and thebasement were really pushing for me to switch over... but I had that faith in a lost cause kinda thing going on.. you know the battered wife syndrom going on and I still got the 2.0.
After a while I even tried talking to Henri Cohen (VP of Marketing of Stanton... and other peepz at NI) I sent them a huge long ass email ripping their whole operation up and disecting it for them in terms they could understand (ie. terms of them loosing money cuz thats all they care about).
I waited for a reply... got many promises that they were going to reply. I know I stirred the pot up really good as I was hearing from the mods there.
I waited, waited and waited.. then just said there is no point.
I never got a reply, NI gave back fs2 to stanton, T3 came out buggy and they charged them again for new features with no bug fixes.
Same old same old.
However I dont mind that they do it now... cuz I know the people will flock over to Rane and Serato cuz they truely help people and I feel they care about their users.
Not only do the users feel good, Rane and Serato are profitable... why? Cuz they listen to what we want and they deliver it. That equals us happy and fully willing to send a cheque to them.
If Serato asks us for $$$ for PnT pluggin, I'm totally fine with it. Cuz I know I'm paying for hard work and dedication.
Now coming back to the point of this thread:
The users have been telling Rane / Serato that we wanted something like this for a while... they secreatly worked on what we wanted perfecting it to this prototype.
... and look what they have gotten in return: a sold out first shipment and its not even in production yet!
It's on my list to buy, with my MacBook pro.
The first time I thought of switching to SSL was when it first came out and this DJ I know from Boston was using FS1.0 here in Toronto (Frankie G.) and had it mess up on him so many times and he got fed up and switched.
I was feeling the same burn from FS1.1 but i kept beliveing all the hype NI / Stanton was feeding me.. so I got FS1.5... then 2.0...then TDJS2.6.
Before I got 2.0 nik and thebasement were really pushing for me to switch over... but I had that faith in a lost cause kinda thing going on.. you know the battered wife syndrom going on and I still got the 2.0.
After a while I even tried talking to Henri Cohen (VP of Marketing of Stanton... and other peepz at NI) I sent them a huge long ass email ripping their whole operation up and disecting it for them in terms they could understand (ie. terms of them loosing money cuz thats all they care about).
I waited for a reply... got many promises that they were going to reply. I know I stirred the pot up really good as I was hearing from the mods there.
I waited, waited and waited.. then just said there is no point.
I never got a reply, NI gave back fs2 to stanton, T3 came out buggy and they charged them again for new features with no bug fixes.
Same old same old.
However I dont mind that they do it now... cuz I know the people will flock over to Rane and Serato cuz they truely help people and I feel they care about their users.
Not only do the users feel good, Rane and Serato are profitable... why? Cuz they listen to what we want and they deliver it. That equals us happy and fully willing to send a cheque to them.
If Serato asks us for $$$ for PnT pluggin, I'm totally fine with it. Cuz I know I'm paying for hard work and dedication.
Now coming back to the point of this thread:
The users have been telling Rane / Serato that we wanted something like this for a while... they secreatly worked on what we wanted perfecting it to this prototype.
... and look what they have gotten in return: a sold out first shipment and its not even in production yet!
It's on my list to buy, with my MacBook pro.
DJ MDX
5:15 AM - 24 January, 2006
The users have been telling Rane / Serato that we wanted something like this for a while... they secreatly worked on what we wanted perfecting it to this prototype.
... and look what they have gotten in return: a sold out first shipment and its not even in production yet!
It's on my list to buy, with my MacBook pro.
Well said and it is also on my long list of things to get ;-)
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Now coming back to the point of this thread:The users have been telling Rane / Serato that we wanted something like this for a while... they secreatly worked on what we wanted perfecting it to this prototype.
... and look what they have gotten in return: a sold out first shipment and its not even in production yet!
It's on my list to buy, with my MacBook pro.
Well said and it is also on my long list of things to get ;-)
yuri
6:25 AM - 24 January, 2006
i like it plain and clean. not a lot of superflous markings and graphics for no good reason.
no i agree but there is a line between clean and stale
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@yuri - i think most of the people here don't like a lot of spice. that would include me :-)i like it plain and clean. not a lot of superflous markings and graphics for no good reason.
no i agree but there is a line between clean and stale
ripple
12:22 AM - 25 January, 2006
Why not lose the kill switches altogether? I mean who really needs em with decent eq knobs? Those things look like they may get in the way and ditching them would also make the front panel less cluttered.
cntrlsgnl
3:11 AM - 25 January, 2006
ttm57/sl... shit looks ill. finally a hardware solution for ssl.
it's pretty obvious to me that i'm gonna have to pawn off my beloved ttm56 and my scatch live amp to afford one, but for the control interface alone it seems worth it nevermind the other crazy shit like effects, footswitch, eq kills, being able to rec. mixes through it etc...
i relize that they are 2 completely different mixers but here are a few things i'm going to miss about ttm56 when i switch to the ttm57.
1. crossfader curve knobs & mode buttons on front.
2. upfader curve slider and mode buttons on side.
3. the mode 1/2 button that turns the upfader into a pan fader.
4. the width. the ttm56 9in. perfect, 10in. feels vestax 007ish
5. wet/dry fx slider
6. only 1 phono ground. it's nice having 2
these are only some minor cons. it would take me all day to make a pros list of the ttm57/sl. and when i cop one i'm sure i'll love it even if it feels a little different from the ttm56. nice job rane!
any chance the production model ttm57/sl will turn out a little more like the ttm56?
it's pretty obvious to me that i'm gonna have to pawn off my beloved ttm56 and my scatch live amp to afford one, but for the control interface alone it seems worth it nevermind the other crazy shit like effects, footswitch, eq kills, being able to rec. mixes through it etc...
i relize that they are 2 completely different mixers but here are a few things i'm going to miss about ttm56 when i switch to the ttm57.
1. crossfader curve knobs & mode buttons on front.
2. upfader curve slider and mode buttons on side.
3. the mode 1/2 button that turns the upfader into a pan fader.
4. the width. the ttm56 9in. perfect, 10in. feels vestax 007ish
5. wet/dry fx slider
6. only 1 phono ground. it's nice having 2
these are only some minor cons. it would take me all day to make a pros list of the ttm57/sl. and when i cop one i'm sure i'll love it even if it feels a little different from the ttm56. nice job rane!
any chance the production model ttm57/sl will turn out a little more like the ttm56?
DJK
3:21 AM - 25 January, 2006
Hey guys please live the FS to SSL conversion conversation for another thread, it is getting hard to sift through all that crap when we just want to read about the 57SL.
Thanks
Thanks
The Axledental DJ
4:16 AM - 25 January, 2006
Can anyone explain, in more simple terms, on how the Rane TTM 57SL crossfader contour curve settings work and are they simular to the TTM56? I see that the TTM 57SL doesnt have a Mode switch.
Thanks
Thanks
DJ_X_Trodinaire
5:07 AM - 25 January, 2006
what mode switch?
the contour setting might be the same if its based on ttm56
it just that 57 doesnt have the knob up front
the contour setting might be the same if its based on ttm56
it just that 57 doesnt have the knob up front
The Axledental DJ
5:18 AM - 25 January, 2006
ok, I just read the TTM 56 manual on the explanations of these modes.
The Rane TTM 56 has:
MODE 1 gives the familiar stereo fader response.
MODE 2 gives a center cut response (PGM 1 and PGM 2 are off in the center).
I don't see these options on the TTM 57SL. Which is ok, I prefer the Normal slow fade anyway. Still the Rane TTM 57SL does have the crossfade and fader contour options.
The Rane TTM 56 has:
MODE 1 gives the familiar stereo fader response.
MODE 2 gives a center cut response (PGM 1 and PGM 2 are off in the center).
I don't see these options on the TTM 57SL. Which is ok, I prefer the Normal slow fade anyway. Still the Rane TTM 57SL does have the crossfade and fader contour options.
concorde_pilot
1:18 PM - 26 January, 2006
a tension adjust feature would be nice... i prefer the ttm57sl with most knobs grey because everything black is too boring... changeable coloured facepltes are a MUST!!! to get the look a bit more "exiting"...
the new vestax pmco8 in white looks much better in my opinion...
design is very important for me and the ttm56 looked MUCH better... would be nice if there will be a change...
the new vestax pmco8 in white looks much better in my opinion...
design is very important for me and the ttm56 looked MUCH better... would be nice if there will be a change...
click
2:58 PM - 26 January, 2006
Word!! (translation -- can I get an Amen??)
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changeable coloured facepltes are a MUST!!! .Word!! (translation -- can I get an Amen??)
JayPSC
11:18 PM - 26 January, 2006
Wonder if we can get a Group Buy going on this? Especially for us guys in the UK where it's likely to be silly money...
jack houser
11:31 AM - 27 January, 2006
First let me say that this mixer is an amazing accomplishment.
But so far from what i have read and seen... here's my 2 cents...
1. Faders appear to be quite short. I would definitely prefer them longer.
and most importantly!!!
2. I believe that auto bpm for the effects is an absolute necessity.
Just ask any one who first mixed on a Pioneer DJM-500 and then got a DJM-600.
The whole world changed overnight. The ability to use the effects effeciently, accurately, and unbelievably quickly was completely improved due to the fact that the auto bpm was synced with the effects.
I beg you guys to please reconsider adding this crucial feature.
It is quite honestly the one reason that i would possibly refrain from ordering this otherwise awesome mixer.
But so far from what i have read and seen... here's my 2 cents...
1. Faders appear to be quite short. I would definitely prefer them longer.
and most importantly!!!
2. I believe that auto bpm for the effects is an absolute necessity.
Just ask any one who first mixed on a Pioneer DJM-500 and then got a DJM-600.
The whole world changed overnight. The ability to use the effects effeciently, accurately, and unbelievably quickly was completely improved due to the fact that the auto bpm was synced with the effects.
I beg you guys to please reconsider adding this crucial feature.
It is quite honestly the one reason that i would possibly refrain from ordering this otherwise awesome mixer.
DJ Niche
6:20 PM - 27 January, 2006
But so far from what i have read and seen... here's my 2 cents...
1. Faders appear to be quite short. I would definitely prefer them longer.
Arent the faders the same length as the TTM 56? If so I dont think they should be changed.
-Niche
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First let me say that this mixer is an amazing accomplishment.But so far from what i have read and seen... here's my 2 cents...
1. Faders appear to be quite short. I would definitely prefer them longer.
Arent the faders the same length as the TTM 56? If so I dont think they should be changed.
-Niche
Steve M
5:01 AM - 28 January, 2006
The TTM 57 faders are exactly the same in every way as the TTM 56 faders. Perhaps, since the TTM 57 is one inch wider than the TTM 56, there's an optical illusion making it seem like they are shorter. They are not. Same part, same calibration steps, same metal slot size, basically the same internal firmware code in both products.
mexicannnnnn
5:03 AM - 28 January, 2006
Steve, just curious as to they you guys didnt install magnetic faders in the Empath?
click
6:21 AM - 28 January, 2006
you srakkin zee english?? (taken from Madagascar)
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Steve, just curious as to they you guys didnt install magnetic faders in the Empath?you srakkin zee english?? (taken from Madagascar)
mexicannnnnn
6:57 AM - 28 January, 2006
HA ok let me do that again:
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Steve, just curious as to *why* you guys didnt install magnetic faders in the Empath?
DJK
9:59 AM - 28 January, 2006
Look at this picture:
www.rane.com
Hey Mods, could we either see screenshots, or be told what the "library" "cue/loop" and "effects" tabs look like when they are clicked? I am really interested to know how the on mixer controls are implemented for each of the tasks? Also, doe the "group" button switch between these modes?
Also, can you elaborate on what functions the footswitch can be asigned to?
www.rane.com
Hey Mods, could we either see screenshots, or be told what the "library" "cue/loop" and "effects" tabs look like when they are clicked? I am really interested to know how the on mixer controls are implemented for each of the tasks? Also, doe the "group" button switch between these modes?
Also, can you elaborate on what functions the footswitch can be asigned to?
Steve W
10:57 AM - 28 January, 2006
All the control surface mappings are user-definable, including the footswitch. The default mapping for a 3-button footswitch right now is "loop in", "loop out" and "loop on/off". Tapping the group button cycles through the tabs. Holding "group" and tapping B1-B4 jumps directly to a specific tab. Group + B6 jumps to the setup screen (and back again).
The cue/loop tab looks like:
P1 and P2: move loop in and out points (press to begin and end editing)
J1 & J2 up: transform (mute)
B1 - B5: jump to cue point, or set cue point with J1 or J2 held down
B6: loop on/off
The cue/loop tab looks like:
P1 and P2: move loop in and out points (press to begin and end editing)
J1 & J2 up: transform (mute)
B1 - B5: jump to cue point, or set cue point with J1 or J2 held down
B6: loop on/off
nobspangle
10:59 AM - 28 January, 2006
what combination of buttons do you press to activate pong? ;)
KMXE
11:17 AM - 28 January, 2006
since u have the 2 joysticks and those buttons... i recommend having Street Fighter 2 instead of Pong!
nobspangle
11:20 AM - 28 January, 2006
That's a good call, maybe not street fighter, but some old Atari games like pacman and qbert.
Infact this whole DJing lark is a waste of time, Serato should just make computer games controlled by DJ tools.
Infact this whole DJing lark is a waste of time, Serato should just make computer games controlled by DJ tools.
Steve W
11:23 AM - 28 January, 2006
The library tab looks like:
P1: scroll through crates (press for fast)
P2: scroll through library (press for fast)
B1: eject
B2: load
B3: play
B4: undo
B5: start / stop recording
B6: load recording
J2 up / left / right : auto mode / prev track / next track
These are all subject to change of course.
P1: scroll through crates (press for fast)
P2: scroll through library (press for fast)
B1: eject
B2: load
B3: play
B4: undo
B5: start / stop recording
B6: load recording
J2 up / left / right : auto mode / prev track / next track
These are all subject to change of course.
Steve W
11:24 AM - 28 January, 2006
Or just include a MAME driver for the joysticks. Hmmmmm.
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That's a good call, maybe not street fighter, but some old Atari games like pacman and qbert.Or just include a MAME driver for the joysticks. Hmmmmm.
nobspangle
12:06 PM - 28 January, 2006
Now that would be cool, track and field on your mixer using the crossfader, you'd beat the world record every time.
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Or just include a MAME driver for the joysticks. Hmmmmm.Now that would be cool, track and field on your mixer using the crossfader, you'd beat the world record every time.
ripple
12:35 PM - 28 January, 2006
Uhmmm... so no better curve than the 56? I know lots of people that have refrained from the 56 due to those upfaders, and they piss me off, too.
Vestax 07 curve now!
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The TTM 57 faders are exactly the same in every way as the TTM 56 faders. Perhaps, since the TTM 57 is one inch wider than the TTM 56, there's an optical illusion making it seem like they are shorter. They are not. Same part, same calibration steps, same metal slot size, basically the same internal firmware code in both products.Uhmmm... so no better curve than the 56? I know lots of people that have refrained from the 56 due to those upfaders, and they piss me off, too.
Vestax 07 curve now!
nik39
12:47 PM - 28 January, 2006
Vestax 07 curve sux horribly!
Anyway, someone from Serato/Rane said that you can adjust any curve you want. Maybe there is some external application to control the curves, draw curves as you would like them to be.
Anyway, someone from Serato/Rane said that you can adjust any curve you want. Maybe there is some external application to control the curves, draw curves as you would like them to be.
gatek
2:59 PM - 28 January, 2006
The mixer seems awesome :)
But as it was said before it may be not very good for traveling or playing clubs along dj's not using SSL... So, the question to Rane people is: will I be able to buy a separate SL1 without paying for the whole package?? Also, will the SSL control Records/CDs be included with the mixer/software package?
Thanx!
But as it was said before it may be not very good for traveling or playing clubs along dj's not using SSL... So, the question to Rane people is: will I be able to buy a separate SL1 without paying for the whole package?? Also, will the SSL control Records/CDs be included with the mixer/software package?
Thanx!
Steve M
4:51 PM - 28 January, 2006
There were a variety of reasons, the main ones being we were not targeting heavy scratch applications where such a mag fader would be important, and there's always budget issues which translate directly into the price of the product which would have been quite considerably more money with mag faders. Every product design is a compromise between features, price, performance, etc...
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Steve, just curious as to they you guys didnt install magnetic faders in the Empath?There were a variety of reasons, the main ones being we were not targeting heavy scratch applications where such a mag fader would be important, and there's always budget issues which translate directly into the price of the product which would have been quite considerably more money with mag faders. Every product design is a compromise between features, price, performance, etc...
Steve W
7:10 PM - 28 January, 2006
If there were a successor to the Empath, would it use magnetic faders?
nobspangle
7:14 PM - 28 January, 2006
If there were a successor to the Empath and it had magnetic faders, would Serato have a hand in it for a bit of effects and SSL.
DeezNotes
10:01 PM - 28 January, 2006
Anyway, someone from Serato/Rane said that you can adjust any curve you want. Maybe there is some external application to control the curves, draw curves as you would like them to be.
Here is my response to this issue (posted above):
- Pioneer has implemented an upfader curve that enables the "07 bug" where the fader cuts toward the top of the fader rather than the bottom. This "bug" actually works much better than the default (fader cuts at the bottom).
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Vestax 07 curve sux horribly!Anyway, someone from Serato/Rane said that you can adjust any curve you want. Maybe there is some external application to control the curves, draw curves as you would like them to be.
Here is my response to this issue (posted above):
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- Pioneer has implemented an upfader curve that enables the "07 bug" where the fader cuts toward the top of the fader rather than the bottom. This "bug" actually works much better than the default (fader cuts at the bottom).
vidoona
11:18 PM - 28 January, 2006
The 57 is very cool granted......but by integrating this control surface into it, does this mean that the large number of us begging for midi mappable controls (via a 3rd party midi interface) are screwed? I'm looking at you rane/serato guys.
click
11:44 PM - 28 January, 2006
I am quite cool... I don't need a landing strip and poker machine with the mixer...
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The 57 is very cool granted......but by integrating this control surface into it, does this mean that the large number of us begging for midi mappable controls (via a 3rd party midi interface) are screwed? I'm looking at you rane/serato guys.I am quite cool... I don't need a landing strip and poker machine with the mixer...
DJ Yaz
12:30 AM - 29 January, 2006
2nd that
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The 57 is very cool granted......but by integrating this control surface into it, does this mean that the large number of us begging for midi mappable controls (via a 3rd party midi interface) are screwed? I'm looking at you rane/serato guys.2nd that
hologram
12:40 AM - 29 January, 2006
Now rane just needs to come up with a club mixer that will allow you to plug in two laptops at a time and select wich one crontrols wich turntable independantly of each turntable.
For clubs of course.
For clubs of course.
702dj
12:54 AM - 29 January, 2006
I was at Namm and was lucky enough to see Jazzy Jay and big Whiz do there demos, very cool... I took some pics of the new mixer... you can check them out at our site. 702dj.com
click
3:53 AM - 29 January, 2006
And while your @ it thow some software in there that wil give ableton a run, and make it so you can run 3 midi keyboard triggers and use msn messenger on the touch screen cross fader window...
and don't forget the remote control crossfader that u can control from the bar....
lol..
and don't forget the remote control crossfader that u can control from the bar....
lol..
punosion
4:13 AM - 29 January, 2006
Rane, listen up--this guy's got some ideas!
Hmm, mini-keyboard and pull-out tray add-on for the Hi-Rise laptop stand? ;)
...and the bathroom... :D
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...and use msn messenger on the touch screen cross fader window...Hmm, mini-keyboard and pull-out tray add-on for the Hi-Rise laptop stand? ;)
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...and don't forget the remote control crossfader that u can control from the bar.......and the bathroom... :D
click
4:17 AM - 29 January, 2006
I would @ least like it to have a cup holder.... now THAT is not asking too much is it??
punosion
5:01 AM - 29 January, 2006
Doesn't that come with the laptop? The little tray thing that pops out the side or the front? ;D
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I would @ least like it to have a cup holder.... now THAT is not asking too much is it??Doesn't that come with the laptop? The little tray thing that pops out the side or the front? ;D
click
5:24 AM - 29 January, 2006
Doesn't that come with the laptop? The little tray thing that pops out the side or the front? ;D
I one of those with a powerbook and I feel sooo ripped off cause we don't have the cup holder that slides out... i tried to call Steve Jobs to complain about it... man he is soo arrogant!
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I would @ least like it to have a cup holder.... now THAT is not asking too much is it??Doesn't that come with the laptop? The little tray thing that pops out the side or the front? ;D
I one of those with a powerbook and I feel sooo ripped off cause we don't have the cup holder that slides out... i tried to call Steve Jobs to complain about it... man he is soo arrogant!
mister iLL
2:56 AM - 3 February, 2006
i personally like the idea of different colored knobs for the ssl parameters...but maybe we could have some color choices other than gray?
Sam
3:11 AM - 3 February, 2006
Noted. Should be possible
Aww man, I thought that was going to be a surprise :(
That's correct. You will at some stage, probably not by shipping time, be able to define custom curves.
Those of you who bought Scratch LIVE when it first came out will remember how basic it was back then, and what has been added over the last few years. We will also be adding features to the TTM 57SL over time ... so it too will improve with age!
No
The grey is long gone.
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2. I believe that auto bpm for the effects is an absolute necessity.Noted. Should be possible
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Or just include a MAME driver for the joysticks. Hmmmmm.Aww man, I thought that was going to be a surprise :(
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Vestax 07 curve now! .... Anyway, someone from Serato/Rane said that you can adjust any curve you want.That's correct. You will at some stage, probably not by shipping time, be able to define custom curves.
Those of you who bought Scratch LIVE when it first came out will remember how basic it was back then, and what has been added over the last few years. We will also be adding features to the TTM 57SL over time ... so it too will improve with age!
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The 57 is very cool granted......but by integrating this control surface into it, does this mean that the large number of us begging for midi mappable controls (via a 3rd party midi interface) are screwed? I'm looking at you rane/serato guys.No
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i personally like the idea of different colored knobs for the ssl parameters...but maybe we could have some color choices other than gray?The grey is long gone.
s42000
3:26 AM - 3 February, 2006
Again WOW... I am not dreaming ..
The Stantonese must be craping their pants right now.
The Stantonese must be craping their pants right now.
The Axledental DJ
4:11 AM - 3 February, 2006
The Grey is long gone? So what color did you choose?
Sam, is that you in the Skratchworx Demo video? :-))
Finally I can put a face to the name. Hehe.
homepage.mac.com
As I just watched the video, I am sooo looking forward to getting my Rane TTM 57SL. Wahoo!
But I overheard the mixer by itself will only have 2 effects.... only 2? but when used with SSL 1.6, it can have more?
Sam, is that you in the Skratchworx Demo video? :-))
Finally I can put a face to the name. Hehe.
homepage.mac.com
As I just watched the video, I am sooo looking forward to getting my Rane TTM 57SL. Wahoo!
But I overheard the mixer by itself will only have 2 effects.... only 2? but when used with SSL 1.6, it can have more?
DJ Dynamight
4:52 AM - 3 February, 2006
holy shit!!!
seeing it in action just made me want it 1000 times more than I did after reading about it.
seeing it in action just made me want it 1000 times more than I did after reading about it.
Steve W
5:04 AM - 3 February, 2006
I believe Sam means 2 effects simultaneously, ie 1 each on PGM1 & PGM2.
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I overheard the mixer by itself will only have 2 effects.... only 2? but when used with SSL 1.6, it can have more?I believe Sam means 2 effects simultaneously, ie 1 each on PGM1 & PGM2.
boabmatic
12:27 PM - 3 February, 2006
above it says its about the same size as the empath mixer so if the empath can fit in that case then so will the 57..
DJ GaFFle
1:03 PM - 3 February, 2006
Sam, is that you in the Skratchworx Demo video? :-))
Finally I can put a face to the name. Hehe.
homepage.mac.com
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After seeing this video, this mixer is a MUST! Gotta get it... I always wanted to make those echo effects like Jazzy Jeff does with his Pioneer 909 while in the mix.
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The Grey is long gone? So what color did you choose?Sam, is that you in the Skratchworx Demo video? :-))
Finally I can put a face to the name. Hehe.
homepage.mac.com
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After seeing this video, this mixer is a MUST! Gotta get it... I always wanted to make those echo effects like Jazzy Jeff does with his Pioneer 909 while in the mix.
Mad Erb
2:22 AM - 4 February, 2006
Big up The Axledental DJ! for the video ! Damn I want that MIXER!!!!!!
Yo! Sam, where can I get my hands on that SSL T-shirt youre wearing?
Yo! Sam, where can I get my hands on that SSL T-shirt youre wearing?
The Axledental DJ
3:56 AM - 4 February, 2006
Your welcome, but you should really be thanking Gizmo from www.skratchworx.com
I'm still awaiting for more video footage. I too would like a T-shirt like Sam was wearing.. guess they are for the SSL and Rane dev team only....
I'm still awaiting for more video footage. I too would like a T-shirt like Sam was wearing.. guess they are for the SSL and Rane dev team only....
mexicannnnnn
5:11 AM - 4 February, 2006
I'm still awaiting for more video footage. I too would like a T-shirt like Sam was wearing.. guess they are for the SSL and Rane dev team only....
Anyone who won that last contest got one of those shirts :-) I got one! Too bad it shrunk on me :(
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Your welcome, but you should really be thanking Gizmo from www.skratchworx.comI'm still awaiting for more video footage. I too would like a T-shirt like Sam was wearing.. guess they are for the SSL and Rane dev team only....
Anyone who won that last contest got one of those shirts :-) I got one! Too bad it shrunk on me :(
The Axledental DJ
5:28 AM - 4 February, 2006
yes, I got 2 of them, and they shrunk a little bit, but I could loose some weight, and maybe they would fit better.. :-) Hehehe
nik39
10:45 AM - 4 February, 2006
Word, I thought its like the avatars which the modes have - exclusive. ;)
Mine looks different. Strange.
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Anyone who won that last contest got one of those shirts :-) I got one! Too bad it shrunk on me :(Mine looks different. Strange.
The Axledental DJ
9:16 PM - 5 February, 2006
Sam, from the NAMM video by Gizmo:
What are the pre-definded groups?
Can you tell us more about the Transport group feature controls?
How much customization can one make for groups.
What are the pre-definded groups?
Can you tell us more about the Transport group feature controls?
How much customization can one make for groups.
DJ_X_Trodinaire
7:54 PM - 6 February, 2006
too late to add a crossfader on/off (defeat) switch?
sometimes i just use the upfaders for house music.
sometimes i just use the upfaders for house music.
Sam
3:19 AM - 7 February, 2006
Sam, is that you in the Skratchworx Demo video? :-))
Finally I can put a face to the name. Hehe.
homepage.mac.com
Colors - I'll get a new image up here once we've decided a few things.
And yeah, that's me ;)
I'm pretty sure they are for sale here: www.rane.com ... instead of the ones shown with the small logo on them. I'll check and let you know.
Can you tell us more about the Transport group feature controls?
How much customization can one make for groups.
We're still working on the layout for the controls. It will ship with a few (4 or 5?) groups set up, and it will be possible to set up your own - not sure if this will be ready by shipping time, but it will be a free update.
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The Grey is long gone? So what color did you choose?Sam, is that you in the Skratchworx Demo video? :-))
Finally I can put a face to the name. Hehe.
homepage.mac.com
Colors - I'll get a new image up here once we've decided a few things.
And yeah, that's me ;)
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Yo! Sam, where can I get my hands on that SSL T-shirt youre wearing?I'm pretty sure they are for sale here: www.rane.com ... instead of the ones shown with the small logo on them. I'll check and let you know.
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What are the pre-definded groups?Can you tell us more about the Transport group feature controls?
How much customization can one make for groups.
We're still working on the layout for the controls. It will ship with a few (4 or 5?) groups set up, and it will be possible to set up your own - not sure if this will be ready by shipping time, but it will be a free update.
joshua
3:24 AM - 7 February, 2006
this is why rane/serato kicks so much ass, free updates, awesome tech support.
keep up the good work guys,
Josh
keep up the good work guys,
Josh
The Axledental DJ
3:27 AM - 7 February, 2006
Thanks Sam! Hmm, What was on your hat at the Namm show?
DJEDE
4:46 PM - 7 February, 2006
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nik39
5:02 PM - 7 February, 2006
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Sam
8:18 PM - 7 February, 2006
I'm pretty sure they are for sale here: www.rane.com ... instead of the ones shown with the small logo on them. I'll check and let you know.
Yep - the ones with the big Scratch LIVE logo on the front are for sale on the Rane site right now
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Yo! Sam, where can I get my hands on that SSL T-shirt youre wearing?I'm pretty sure they are for sale here: www.rane.com ... instead of the ones shown with the small logo on them. I'll check and let you know.
Yep - the ones with the big Scratch LIVE logo on the front are for sale on the Rane site right now
DJ MDX
8:25 PM - 7 February, 2006
I'm pretty sure they are for sale here: www.rane.com ... instead of the ones shown with the small logo on them. I'll check and let you know.
Yep - the ones with the big Scratch LIVE logo on the front are for sale on the Rane site right now
Maybe this link might be easier.
www.rane.com
Is that the one you are referring to Sam.
Just to be clear when I order is the link below the one I will get or the one you were wearing in the video.
www.rane.com
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Yo! Sam, where can I get my hands on that SSL T-shirt youre wearing?I'm pretty sure they are for sale here: www.rane.com ... instead of the ones shown with the small logo on them. I'll check and let you know.
Yep - the ones with the big Scratch LIVE logo on the front are for sale on the Rane site right now
Maybe this link might be easier.
www.rane.com
Is that the one you are referring to Sam.
Just to be clear when I order is the link below the one I will get or the one you were wearing in the video.
www.rane.com
The Axledental DJ
4:32 AM - 9 February, 2006
Sam, with the Rane TTM 57SL, how would you build the overviews? Do you turn off the Rane TTM 57SL, or is there going to a some kind of switch mode to turn on and off the build overviews. Seeing as the TTM 57SL might be installed in a perminant situation not allowing the user to easily remove the USB connection from the mixer to the Computer could make building oveviews a bit more difficult.
DJ_X_Trodinaire
5:31 AM - 9 February, 2006
you can unplug it from the computer side if youre bringing your own lappy
The Axledental DJ
5:38 AM - 9 February, 2006
I would prefer not to have to do that all the time. So, I'd rather have another way of building up overviews, rather than unpluging the USB Cable to get that feature, and then re-connect the USB cable back to use SSL. With the upcoming Rane TTM 57SL, this might be tedious to do, if a club or DJ booth has perminantly installed the TTM 57SL into the booth, which would hinder anyone from reaching at the USB cable from the TTM 57SL and the Computer.
DJRodrigoSM.br
5:18 PM - 9 February, 2006
Being able to build overviews without disconecting the unit sounds like a good idea. But just one thing: why would you have a mixer like that installed in a way you can't reach the USB? Might as well get a TTM 56 instead...
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I would prefer not to have to do that all the time. So, I'd rather have another way of building up overviews, rather than unpluging the USB Cable to get that feature, and then re-connect the USB cable back to use SSL. With the upcoming Rane TTM 57SL, this might be tedious to do, if a club or DJ booth has perminantly installed the TTM 57SL into the booth, which would hinder anyone from reaching at the USB cable from the TTM 57SL and the Computer.Being able to build overviews without disconecting the unit sounds like a good idea. But just one thing: why would you have a mixer like that installed in a way you can't reach the USB? Might as well get a TTM 56 instead...
B-Lo
7:03 PM - 9 February, 2006
Can't you just disable the usb device from the taskbar and the re-enable it when you are ready to use the interface? I seem to remember someone saying thats how they did it with the SSL 1 somewhere in th forum before
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I would prefer not to have to do that all the time. So, I'd rather have another way of building up overviews, rather than unpluging the USB Cable to get that feature, and then re-connect the USB cable back to use SSL. With the upcoming Rane TTM 57SL, this might be tedious to do, if a club or DJ booth has perminantly installed the TTM 57SL into the booth, which would hinder anyone from reaching at the USB cable from the TTM 57SL and the Computer.Can't you just disable the usb device from the taskbar and the re-enable it when you are ready to use the interface? I seem to remember someone saying thats how they did it with the SSL 1 somewhere in th forum before
The Axledental DJ
3:18 AM - 10 February, 2006
On a Windows PC, for example, Windows XP can let you disable in the device manager the USB driver port for the SL1 box, but you can't do that on Mac OS X 10.4.4.
I would assume the Rane TTM 57SL's Power OFF button should disable the built in SL1 box and let you build overviews in the SSL s/w. I would just like to be able to use the "Build Overviews" feature without having to to unplug the SL 1 box or the TTM 57SL.
I would assume the Rane TTM 57SL's Power OFF button should disable the built in SL1 box and let you build overviews in the SSL s/w. I would just like to be able to use the "Build Overviews" feature without having to to unplug the SL 1 box or the TTM 57SL.
DJ MDX
4:01 AM - 10 February, 2006
Has anyone noticed the new pic the TTM 57SL.....talk about a damn nice!!!!
I want one right now!!!!
I want one right now!!!!
The Axledental DJ
4:41 AM - 10 February, 2006
yeah, Awesome! Wonder why the Mic On/Off button was changed to a toggle switch? Hmm.
click
4:50 AM - 10 February, 2006
I want one right now!!!!
It went from being one of the ugliest mixers (other than the Urei 1601 and the Rodec scratchbox(can't top those ugly mixers)) to being the hottest looking mixer I have ever seen!
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Has anyone noticed the new pic the TTM 57SL.....talk about a damn nice!!!!I want one right now!!!!
It went from being one of the ugliest mixers (other than the Urei 1601 and the Rodec scratchbox(can't top those ugly mixers)) to being the hottest looking mixer I have ever seen!
The Axledental DJ
5:05 AM - 10 February, 2006
Yup, and all I need to tide me over til I get mine in Mid April, is a Hi-res, actual final production, picture of the rane TTM 57SL.
nik39
2:45 PM - 10 February, 2006
It should work, but thats not very user friendly, I expect something different from Serato :)
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Can't you just disable the usb device from the taskbar and the re-enable it when you are ready to use the interface? I seem to remember someone saying thats how they did it with the SSL 1 somewhere in th forum beforeIt should work, but thats not very user friendly, I expect something different from Serato :)
s42000
3:35 PM - 10 February, 2006
I want one right now!!!!
It's getting sexier ...
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Has anyone noticed the new pic the TTM 57SL.....talk about a damn nice!!!!I want one right now!!!!
It's getting sexier ...
DJOZ
6:17 PM - 10 February, 2006
I think they should just ditch those buttons and toggles on the TTM57 and put a small track ball with 4 buttons.
concorde_pilot
5:05 AM - 11 February, 2006
i like black very much but a few red potis or something like that would be nice... some colour-spots which make the mixer looking more interesting. but it looks better than before... a few grey potis would be nice also. its so black no one will ever find it in the dark :O
concorde_pilot
1:27 PM - 11 February, 2006
yeah just realized that there are the skulls.... very nice!
but some bigger and flashing colour-spots like p1 and p2 and the crossfadercap (yeah :D) in red would be nice...
the skulls are awesome :D
but some bigger and flashing colour-spots like p1 and p2 and the crossfadercap (yeah :D) in red would be nice...
the skulls are awesome :D
DJ GaFFle
1:47 PM - 11 February, 2006
I like this grey/black two-tone MUCH BETTER than the all Black original TTM57. Nice job. It now looks more in line to the TTM56. Good work Rane.
DJ Niche
5:18 PM - 11 February, 2006
Are they going to have interchangeable faceplates like the 56?
-Niche
-Niche
DJRodrigoSM.br
6:02 AM - 13 February, 2006
The new look is great! You can just look at it and know what everything does, provided you've used the software once. Integration people, it's the right way to go...
AKIEM
6:07 AM - 13 February, 2006
some times push button switches bother me because they are harder to recognize their status and even with the light. like the master/cue monitor switch, whats the status? I dont know, Ive always gotta remember what the light means. I think a throw switch like on the mic engage would be better. Also I think the push button switches are often accidentally switched during transport and setup, when they would otherwise never be switched during a performance. For "setup" type functions like reverse I would like to so those little sliding click switches. But I do like the push button switches for the "performance" functions, EQ and FlexEFX, those will benefit from the time accuracy of a bush button switch, and are more likely to be switched during performance.
AKIEM
12:31 AM - 14 February, 2006
so can you use the 57 just like the amp but with another mixer, say a club instillation?
CS-80a
1:11 AM - 14 February, 2006
The selection button for deck 1/2 should be either on a rocker like Akiem said, or preferably an mpc style mini pad that can take a beating, a click in/out style switch really won't cut it. The same goes for the cue buttons themselves, you should be thinking along mpc style lines.
B-Lo
6:05 AM - 14 February, 2006
i think that instead of a one switch/button flipping between the two decks there should be two sets [on the outboard side of the channel faders] dedicated to the corresponding channel. you could still have the toggle between the functions, but that way you could control the effects on one channel while working the loop on the other channel with out having to flip through so many buttons. i don't know if the software would support it, but it would be nice.
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The selection button for deck 1/2 should be either on a rocker like Akiem said, or preferably an mpc style mini pad that can take a beating, a click in/out style switch really won't cut it. The same goes for the cue buttons themselves, you should be thinking along mpc style lines.i think that instead of a one switch/button flipping between the two decks there should be two sets [on the outboard side of the channel faders] dedicated to the corresponding channel. you could still have the toggle between the functions, but that way you could control the effects on one channel while working the loop on the other channel with out having to flip through so many buttons. i don't know if the software would support it, but it would be nice.
DJK
4:33 AM - 16 February, 2006
I disagree, keep this beautifully clean battle mixer uncluttered, the way it is.
Sam
7:37 AM - 16 February, 2006
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B-Lo
7:57 AM - 16 February, 2006
with the effects and the built in Serato sound card it seems like more of a performance mixer, but if you think of it as a battle mixer then yes i agree that more buttons would clutter the mixer
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I disagree, keep this beautifully clean battle mixer uncluttered, the way it is.with the effects and the built in Serato sound card it seems like more of a performance mixer, but if you think of it as a battle mixer then yes i agree that more buttons would clutter the mixer
s42000
3:15 PM - 16 February, 2006
Yes
Curious ...
Will there be a sofware setting to let the 57 know you need it to act as an amp and not a mixer ?
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Curious ...
Will there be a sofware setting to let the 57 know you need it to act as an amp and not a mixer ?
s42000
11:44 PM - 17 February, 2006
The 57 ?
If yes where from ?
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NICE! Just bought mine, ETA end of March!The 57 ?
If yes where from ?
CS-80a
9:41 PM - 18 February, 2006
Sorry, but if the deck select button is of this mixer is of the 'click in/out' type, and the cue buttons are not EXTREMELY sturdy then this is a serious design flaw.
Steve W
2:29 AM - 19 February, 2006
All the buttons are of the "tactile" momentary type, ie very short travel and you can feel them click.
Steve W
6:47 AM - 19 February, 2006
They are nothing like the buttons on an Empath or a 56. They travel a fraction of the distance.
DJ_X_Trodinaire
4:01 PM - 19 February, 2006
Astonish
1:17 AM - 20 February, 2006
Yes
Since the 57 SL could be used as an amp, will it retain its ability to be used as an control surface?
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Since the 57 SL could be used as an amp, will it retain its ability to be used as an control surface?
Steve W
1:38 AM - 20 February, 2006
Yes. All you're talking about doing is tapping off pre-fader audio from PGM 1 & 2. You can do this by setting all controls to neutral and engaging FlexFX for one of them. One output will come from the mains, the other from the FlexFX send. You can bypass the unit by switching the input selectors from Digital to Analog.
j_dim
8:09 PM - 21 February, 2006
just ordered mine, the price was pretty steep. But I know it will be worth every penny. Just wondering if it will fit in the Rane Flight Cases for the Empath??
Anyone know if they will actually fit??
Holla
Anyone know if they will actually fit??
Holla
AKIEM
9:06 PM - 21 February, 2006
will the effects link to files?
meaning, I load cut and pre set set of effects are also loaded?
meaning, I load cut and pre set set of effects are also loaded?
dj dawn
10:20 PM - 21 February, 2006
This thread seems to be the most popular on this forum...I wonder why ;)
Alkatrazz
8:40 AM - 22 February, 2006
When are we going to be able to get the 57 and are they sold out already or are there still some left?
boabmatic
10:03 AM - 22 February, 2006
turntablelab say that the first & second runs are already sold out....
but you can pre-order for April...
www.turntablelab.com
but you can pre-order for April...
www.turntablelab.com
Astonish
5:44 PM - 22 February, 2006
What is the duration of the warranty on the SL portion of the 57 SL?
Also, is the entire mixer covered by the three year, or is it everything else with the exception of the push knobs and joysticks?
Also, is the entire mixer covered by the three year, or is it everything else with the exception of the push knobs and joysticks?
nik39
5:50 PM - 22 February, 2006
And what about the mixers? Do they have a life time warranty like on the TTM56?
mexicannnnnn
5:54 PM - 22 February, 2006
The mixer's and most (of not all of Rane products) have a 3 year warrenty (in the US).
The actuall faders on the TTM56 (i think) are lifetime guranteed... but thats under normal usage. If you open it up to clean it and you bend a rod then you gotta ship the whole unit back to them cuz they would need to put a new one in and calibrate it.
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And what about the mixers? Do they have a life time warranty like on the TTM56?The mixer's and most (of not all of Rane products) have a 3 year warrenty (in the US).
The actuall faders on the TTM56 (i think) are lifetime guranteed... but thats under normal usage. If you open it up to clean it and you bend a rod then you gotta ship the whole unit back to them cuz they would need to put a new one in and calibrate it.
Astonish
5:55 PM - 22 February, 2006
If memory serves -
On the 56, the transform switches are 90 days - if you register with Rane, your warranty is now three as opposed to two.
For the Empath, the P&G faders have a 90 day warranty, the rest of the mixer is two, with regisration - it's pushed to three.
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And what about the mixers? Do they have a life time warranty like on the TTM56?If memory serves -
On the 56, the transform switches are 90 days - if you register with Rane, your warranty is now three as opposed to two.
For the Empath, the P&G faders have a 90 day warranty, the rest of the mixer is two, with regisration - it's pushed to three.
concorde_pilot
7:30 PM - 22 February, 2006
i ve just dicovert that the empath has no cf-reverse , thats sad :(
Astonish
7:36 PM - 22 February, 2006
Any of the three channels can be assigned to A, B, or post. :)
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i ve just dicovert that the empath has no cf-reverse , thats sad :(Any of the three channels can be assigned to A, B, or post. :)
DJ Commando
7:55 PM - 22 February, 2006
I cant wait till this comes out. I want one bad as hell. Im lovin my Serato and gonna keep on updating as much as they come out wit. As a matter of fact I wish I could get some kind of sponsorship here for Rane in my state of Iowa. They need to know more about it here. It would be very benificial for the djs here.
concorde_pilot
9:01 PM - 22 February, 2006
Any of the three channels can be assigned to A, B, or post. :)
ohh i missed that point , thank you... i am so stupid :(
:o
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i ve just dicovert that the empath has no cf-reverse , thats sad :(Any of the three channels can be assigned to A, B, or post. :)
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DJK
4:23 AM - 23 February, 2006
Any of the three channels can be assigned to A, B, or post. :)
ohh i missed that point , thank you... i am so stupid :(
:o
I still am annoyed after having my empath for quite a while. Yes you can reverse it, but I switch it in the middle of sets on the fly, and the empath SUCKS for that. This is one thing that I am looking forward to having again when I get my 57.
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i ve just dicovert that the empath has no cf-reverse , thats sad :(Any of the three channels can be assigned to A, B, or post. :)
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I still am annoyed after having my empath for quite a while. Yes you can reverse it, but I switch it in the middle of sets on the fly, and the empath SUCKS for that. This is one thing that I am looking forward to having again when I get my 57.
thebulge
1:49 AM - 1 March, 2006
Only two things that I want fixed up vs. the TTM56
Locked ground screws.
- I lost one of my TTM56 ones in about 3 weeks
Lower screws in the main faceplate.
- I don't if my TTM56 is all warped and bent.. but if I pull the 4 screws out of the top faceplate to access the faders, it can be a little tough to allign them all back up again when reassembling. My 07 never had this problem. It will only add another 4 screws and holes to resolve that issue.
Other than that, all the fader modes and stuff can go. The pan on the channel faders was kinda cool, but not that exciting.
Locked ground screws.
- I lost one of my TTM56 ones in about 3 weeks
Lower screws in the main faceplate.
- I don't if my TTM56 is all warped and bent.. but if I pull the 4 screws out of the top faceplate to access the faders, it can be a little tough to allign them all back up again when reassembling. My 07 never had this problem. It will only add another 4 screws and holes to resolve that issue.
Other than that, all the fader modes and stuff can go. The pan on the channel faders was kinda cool, but not that exciting.
Astonish
10:30 PM - 3 March, 2006
On the 57SL's preliminary site (rane.com) it says -
"Or, record two stereo sources when not using vinyl or CD control."
It says "record two stereo sources", but not "up to two."
So I couldn't just have one standard recording/ CD playing live and record it? :O
Could someone elaborate for me? Preferably either a Rane, or a Serato employee...
"Or, record two stereo sources when not using vinyl or CD control."
It says "record two stereo sources", but not "up to two."
So I couldn't just have one standard recording/ CD playing live and record it? :O
Could someone elaborate for me? Preferably either a Rane, or a Serato employee...
Astonish
10:31 PM - 3 March, 2006
"Or, record two stereo sources when not using vinyl or CD control."
It says "record two stereo sources", but not "up to two."
So I couldn't just have one standard recording/ CD playing live and record it? :O
Could someone elaborate for me? Preferably either a Rane, or a Serato employee...
I meant "record", not "recording". :p
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On the 57SL's preliminary site (rane.com) it says -"Or, record two stereo sources when not using vinyl or CD control."
It says "record two stereo sources", but not "up to two."
So I couldn't just have one standard recording/ CD playing live and record it? :O
Could someone elaborate for me? Preferably either a Rane, or a Serato employee...
I meant "record", not "recording". :p
nobspangle
11:14 PM - 3 March, 2006
Of course you can record one stereo analogue source. It's possible to record channel one and two on the mixer and the master output all at the same time.
grrillatactics
11:02 PM - 4 March, 2006
Here is something that I posted about this on the Skratchlounge forum, and thought I would share here as well:
So, after a long bit of consideration on this mixer, I think that I will actually part with my 909 and get one. I initially felt that the layout was not ideal (and in fact, still feel that the layout is not as good as it could be), but the features and capabilities of this mixer far outweigh my own desire for certain ergonomics.
I have always enjoyed using Rane products (I still miss the 56 I had to let go when I was real hard up for cash), and I have no doubt that Rane and Serato have really put a lot of effort into the design and functionality (as well as feature set) of this.
What I would like to see, if Rane and Serato would care to know, would be to have the fader curve controls moved to the front panel, and in knob form. I really liked how the x-fader curves are on the front of the 56, as well as the reverse button. Putting those down on the front panel on this, as well as curve adjust knobs for the volume faders, would be a real nice move, and would free up a little extra room on the faceplate (and I guess the fader reverse buttons for the volume faders would find a good home on the front, as well, but I don't know why you would ever reverse your volume faders...). That is the way it is on the 909 and a ton of other mixers, and I think it is a good idea to have those on the face, where they are out of the way, but easily accessible.
Another change that I would request, if Rane or Serato wanted my opinion, would be to drop the EQ kill buttons, and to use small faders for the EQ rather than knobs (a la 07, 08, and that 2-channel Allen & Heath). EQ faders just open up a lot of possibilities to creative mix dj's, and they make it easy to manipulate more than one EQ range on a channel with one hand at the same time (you could cut the bass, and boost the mid and cut the highs all at the same time, whereas doing a similar thing with knobs would require two hands to do quickly).
I also think that having digital 1 and 2 available for each channel is a little redundant, seeing as how you can swap decks or assign the same tune to both channels within the SSL software. Maybe they have a reason for this, but I can't figure out what it is. (I mean, with the channel reverse switch in the mixer, and the input reverse switch in the software, plus the ability to assign the same song to both decks, you dont really need to have both mixer channels playing the same input source...)
I also like the slider for pan over knobs, but am happy with either, when you consider the number of mixers that don't offer pan at all.
Here is a little something I whipped up showing my ideal layout for this mixer, with the faceplate and front showing how I would prefer it to be (obviously the ins and outs on the back are fine as they are, and I wouldn't have any reason to adjust them). Not that Rane or Serato people would have the time or energy or desire to do this, I wonder how much it would cost to have them produce a custom layout like this? Hmmmmm...
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Please note that I used the Empath dimensions as a basis (10" x 14") as I couldn't find any physical dimensions for the 57 listed anywhere, but am pretty sure that it is a little bigger than a 56. The Empath seemed to resemble the size of the 57 very closely, so that is what I used. My initial sketch left off the FlexFX on/off button, but I have added it to the drawing now.
Sorry about the fairly poor quality of that pic, but for some reason, I can't seem to get the thing to appear in the same quality as the original drawing I did on my computer. Also sorry that you have to tilt your head sideways to look at the image. I am not a computer wizard, I was a business administration major in college.
Granted, I will buy the 57 as designed, but wouldn't it be cool if they did the less-cluttered, slider EQ version that I came up with, too?
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So, after a long bit of consideration on this mixer, I think that I will actually part with my 909 and get one. I initially felt that the layout was not ideal (and in fact, still feel that the layout is not as good as it could be), but the features and capabilities of this mixer far outweigh my own desire for certain ergonomics.
I have always enjoyed using Rane products (I still miss the 56 I had to let go when I was real hard up for cash), and I have no doubt that Rane and Serato have really put a lot of effort into the design and functionality (as well as feature set) of this.
What I would like to see, if Rane and Serato would care to know, would be to have the fader curve controls moved to the front panel, and in knob form. I really liked how the x-fader curves are on the front of the 56, as well as the reverse button. Putting those down on the front panel on this, as well as curve adjust knobs for the volume faders, would be a real nice move, and would free up a little extra room on the faceplate (and I guess the fader reverse buttons for the volume faders would find a good home on the front, as well, but I don't know why you would ever reverse your volume faders...). That is the way it is on the 909 and a ton of other mixers, and I think it is a good idea to have those on the face, where they are out of the way, but easily accessible.
Another change that I would request, if Rane or Serato wanted my opinion, would be to drop the EQ kill buttons, and to use small faders for the EQ rather than knobs (a la 07, 08, and that 2-channel Allen & Heath). EQ faders just open up a lot of possibilities to creative mix dj's, and they make it easy to manipulate more than one EQ range on a channel with one hand at the same time (you could cut the bass, and boost the mid and cut the highs all at the same time, whereas doing a similar thing with knobs would require two hands to do quickly).
I also think that having digital 1 and 2 available for each channel is a little redundant, seeing as how you can swap decks or assign the same tune to both channels within the SSL software. Maybe they have a reason for this, but I can't figure out what it is. (I mean, with the channel reverse switch in the mixer, and the input reverse switch in the software, plus the ability to assign the same song to both decks, you dont really need to have both mixer channels playing the same input source...)
I also like the slider for pan over knobs, but am happy with either, when you consider the number of mixers that don't offer pan at all.
Here is a little something I whipped up showing my ideal layout for this mixer, with the faceplate and front showing how I would prefer it to be (obviously the ins and outs on the back are fine as they are, and I wouldn't have any reason to adjust them). Not that Rane or Serato people would have the time or energy or desire to do this, I wonder how much it would cost to have them produce a custom layout like this? Hmmmmm...
[url=img128.imageshack.us][img]img128.imageshack.us[/img][/url]
Please note that I used the Empath dimensions as a basis (10" x 14") as I couldn't find any physical dimensions for the 57 listed anywhere, but am pretty sure that it is a little bigger than a 56. The Empath seemed to resemble the size of the 57 very closely, so that is what I used. My initial sketch left off the FlexFX on/off button, but I have added it to the drawing now.
Sorry about the fairly poor quality of that pic, but for some reason, I can't seem to get the thing to appear in the same quality as the original drawing I did on my computer. Also sorry that you have to tilt your head sideways to look at the image. I am not a computer wizard, I was a business administration major in college.
Granted, I will buy the 57 as designed, but wouldn't it be cool if they did the less-cluttered, slider EQ version that I came up with, too?
DJ DYNAMITE
11:33 PM - 4 March, 2006
I must have this mixer. My only ques is what are the B1 - B6 buttons for?
DJ_X_Trodinaire
11:48 PM - 4 March, 2006
was there any internal pictures of the TTM57?
guessing that the Serato Hardware is installed in the front of the Mixer so the front controls were out of the questions?
guessing that the Serato Hardware is installed in the front of the Mixer so the front controls were out of the questions?
mexicannnnnn
12:34 AM - 5 March, 2006
guessing that the Serato Hardware is installed in the front of the Mixer so the front controls were out of the questions?
There is no serato hardware... its all rane harware. Actually there is a HiRise stand that could be considered serato hardware. ;-)
ok ok.. I think you mean SL1 hardware in the unit.. well I assume they re-did it all from scratch... so everything will be all on one board... some pics would be nice for the engineers (hard or soft) in the forum.
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was there any internal pictures of the TTM57?guessing that the Serato Hardware is installed in the front of the Mixer so the front controls were out of the questions?
There is no serato hardware... its all rane harware. Actually there is a HiRise stand that could be considered serato hardware. ;-)
ok ok.. I think you mean SL1 hardware in the unit.. well I assume they re-did it all from scratch... so everything will be all on one board... some pics would be nice for the engineers (hard or soft) in the forum.
grrillatactics
1:31 AM - 5 March, 2006
guessing that the Serato Hardware is installed in the front of the Mixer so the front controls were out of the questions?
The front is actually completely blank except for the phone and footswitch jacks. The SSL controls are on the faceplate with all of the other controls.
My little drawing is only wishful thinking, too. In hindsight, I would probably also suggest putting the footswitch jack either on the rear of the mixer with all the other I/O, or on the other side of the front, so as to make it a little easier to not get the plug in the wrong jack in poor lighting, and also to cut down on wire entanglements for those who will use a footswitch (as I plan to do).
I was also thinking that the channel swap button could be relocated down some to not be so hemmed up on the upper end of the mixer in my drawing. But it's location in between the general controls for the two channels makes more sense than having it on the far left of the mixer, as Rane/Serato are actually doing with the 57.
But all this aside, I am anxiously awaiting the 57, and will buy it as soon as I can afford it. Unless the people at Rane call me up and say that they really like my layout design.
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was there any internal pictures of the TTM57?guessing that the Serato Hardware is installed in the front of the Mixer so the front controls were out of the questions?
The front is actually completely blank except for the phone and footswitch jacks. The SSL controls are on the faceplate with all of the other controls.
My little drawing is only wishful thinking, too. In hindsight, I would probably also suggest putting the footswitch jack either on the rear of the mixer with all the other I/O, or on the other side of the front, so as to make it a little easier to not get the plug in the wrong jack in poor lighting, and also to cut down on wire entanglements for those who will use a footswitch (as I plan to do).
I was also thinking that the channel swap button could be relocated down some to not be so hemmed up on the upper end of the mixer in my drawing. But it's location in between the general controls for the two channels makes more sense than having it on the far left of the mixer, as Rane/Serato are actually doing with the 57.
But all this aside, I am anxiously awaiting the 57, and will buy it as soon as I can afford it. Unless the people at Rane call me up and say that they really like my layout design.
DeezNotes
7:11 AM - 5 March, 2006
I feel the same way about the layout. I wrote some comments on the mixer waaay up in this thread, but not too many people responded. Steve M from Rane did and that's all that mattered to me; I'm glad someone from the company took the time to hear some suggestions.
For those who missed it:
- The channel swap button is in a bad location.
- The reverse buttons (up & cross faders) are also in bad locations.
- The up fader curve sliders were in a GREAT position on the 56, why change it?
- The EQ and gain knobs are more ergonomically correct than the 56 on this mixer.
- An indicator light on the cue would do wonders. I have this on the 02 and I miss it when DJing in dark clubs on the 56. The meters also change on the 02 as an alternate indicator, but light near the cue would do just fine - see Mic indicator.
- Why move the crossfader contour from the front?
- I'm glad the crossfader contour has been changed to one knob/slider. Using two knobs for one fader is cumbersome. It's a nice feature to have, but not practical.
- Pioneer has implemented an upfader curve that enables the "07 bug" where the fader cuts toward the top of the fader rather than the bottom. This "bug" actually works much better than the default (fader cuts at the bottom).
- I have a problem with the knobs. Not the color; just the overall design. I was disappointed when the knobs didn't look like the initial pictures: www.rane.com. For such a high quality mixer, I feel there are better alternatives - see the TTM 54. Those knob indicators were much easier to see in dim lights.
- Alternate knob colors and/or shapes would help to distinguish headphone, channel gains, etc. from other knobs. See TTM54.
- The Mic gain and Aux in have been swapped (from the 56 design). I can see why, but this does not match the overall design of the other channels.
- Are the joysticks true transform switches? Meaning transforming is their only purpose (when assigned I assume) instead of line/phono switches? True transform switches helps w/ SSL - see Xone:02. On a side note, the angle of the Xone:02's transform switches feels very natural.
- Universal power supply! Thank you!!! The clip broke on our 56 at the last gig and that cord doesn't like to stay in without it. Good thing we carry black duct tape.
- I'm sure the front panel can be utilized a little more. Not only for standard features, but possibly some of the new features you're displaying now. I've had to hook up a mic in the middle of a gig more than a few times... not saying it should go on the front, but just giving some in-field experience. I should note that the mixer is usually balanced between the TT coffins.
- Rane mixers are dark. Not much you can do about this except for optional faceplates. I'm not the only one who pushed the Channel 2 balance fader instead of the Cue fader while in a dark club.
- Love the faders.
I guess that's all for now... I'm sure I'll get plenty of feedback (positive and negative). Remember, we all have our opinions and feelings. No one can create the perfect anything. But, if I had magnetic faders in my 02... nevermind.
I just want the people who make some of the greatest mixers I've ever used to get some true in-the-field feedback. So, thanks in advance for listening.
For those who missed it:
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Although we use the 56 as our mobile mixer, I returned the one I bought as my personal mixer. I am more satisfied with my Xone:02, but that is personal preference. I haven't used the 57, so I don't feel right by doing an unofficial review... but what do I see???- The channel swap button is in a bad location.
- The reverse buttons (up & cross faders) are also in bad locations.
- The up fader curve sliders were in a GREAT position on the 56, why change it?
- The EQ and gain knobs are more ergonomically correct than the 56 on this mixer.
- An indicator light on the cue would do wonders. I have this on the 02 and I miss it when DJing in dark clubs on the 56. The meters also change on the 02 as an alternate indicator, but light near the cue would do just fine - see Mic indicator.
- Why move the crossfader contour from the front?
- I'm glad the crossfader contour has been changed to one knob/slider. Using two knobs for one fader is cumbersome. It's a nice feature to have, but not practical.
- Pioneer has implemented an upfader curve that enables the "07 bug" where the fader cuts toward the top of the fader rather than the bottom. This "bug" actually works much better than the default (fader cuts at the bottom).
- I have a problem with the knobs. Not the color; just the overall design. I was disappointed when the knobs didn't look like the initial pictures: www.rane.com. For such a high quality mixer, I feel there are better alternatives - see the TTM 54. Those knob indicators were much easier to see in dim lights.
- Alternate knob colors and/or shapes would help to distinguish headphone, channel gains, etc. from other knobs. See TTM54.
- The Mic gain and Aux in have been swapped (from the 56 design). I can see why, but this does not match the overall design of the other channels.
- Are the joysticks true transform switches? Meaning transforming is their only purpose (when assigned I assume) instead of line/phono switches? True transform switches helps w/ SSL - see Xone:02. On a side note, the angle of the Xone:02's transform switches feels very natural.
- Universal power supply! Thank you!!! The clip broke on our 56 at the last gig and that cord doesn't like to stay in without it. Good thing we carry black duct tape.
- I'm sure the front panel can be utilized a little more. Not only for standard features, but possibly some of the new features you're displaying now. I've had to hook up a mic in the middle of a gig more than a few times... not saying it should go on the front, but just giving some in-field experience. I should note that the mixer is usually balanced between the TT coffins.
- Rane mixers are dark. Not much you can do about this except for optional faceplates. I'm not the only one who pushed the Channel 2 balance fader instead of the Cue fader while in a dark club.
- Love the faders.
I guess that's all for now... I'm sure I'll get plenty of feedback (positive and negative). Remember, we all have our opinions and feelings. No one can create the perfect anything. But, if I had magnetic faders in my 02... nevermind.
I just want the people who make some of the greatest mixers I've ever used to get some true in-the-field feedback. So, thanks in advance for listening.
DJK
11:55 AM - 5 March, 2006
Well, opinions are like butts, everybodies got one. While you guys want some thing one way, I want another, and the next guy even wants em a third way. Fact is you can't please everyone. I am happy they put this mixer out at all!
When I first got Serato, I hated the verticle wave forms. Now after a year, I love em. So you never know how it's gonna work out.
Fact is, I'll use the 57 just how it is and love every second of it.
When I first got Serato, I hated the verticle wave forms. Now after a year, I love em. So you never know how it's gonna work out.
Fact is, I'll use the 57 just how it is and love every second of it.
grrillatactics
5:11 PM - 5 March, 2006
As I said, either way, I am getting the 57.
I also definitely understand that you can't make a mixer that is going to suit every DJ. I just put my sketch together to show what my ideal layout would be, given my experiences in using many mixers over the years. That layout might not suit any other dj on the planet, but when given a forum that is monitored this closely by the people at both Rane and Serato, they open themselves up for suggestion (which, notably, they actually strive to do; the people at both companies seem hell-bent on producing great products, and always seem to relish consumer feedback).
But when you have AutoCAD on your computer, you may as well use it, and I just wanted to show what my ideal layout would be.
And of course, the user-changeable faceplates were a great touch for the 56.
I also definitely understand that you can't make a mixer that is going to suit every DJ. I just put my sketch together to show what my ideal layout would be, given my experiences in using many mixers over the years. That layout might not suit any other dj on the planet, but when given a forum that is monitored this closely by the people at both Rane and Serato, they open themselves up for suggestion (which, notably, they actually strive to do; the people at both companies seem hell-bent on producing great products, and always seem to relish consumer feedback).
But when you have AutoCAD on your computer, you may as well use it, and I just wanted to show what my ideal layout would be.
And of course, the user-changeable faceplates were a great touch for the 56.
click
5:13 PM - 5 March, 2006
The expression goes 'opinions are like assholes, everyone has got one, and no-one thinks theirs stinks'...
(I think a dark blue face plate for the 57 with the same contrast scheme would kick soo much a$$$)
(I think a dark blue face plate for the 57 with the same contrast scheme would kick soo much a$$$)
grrillatactics
5:16 PM - 5 March, 2006
I would love to see a selection of faceplates for the 57. Those custom ones that you could get for the 56 were so ultra-gangster.
DJK
2:07 AM - 6 March, 2006
Whipped these up in photo shop real quick like:
Standard Serato Red:
www.kylebuhler.com
Dark Blue for Click:
www.kylebuhler.com
The true Ultra Gangsta:
www.kylebuhler.com
My personal favorite:
www.kylebuhler.com
Also, as you notice I left the top part the origonal color, because this is what they did on the 56. But What I would really like to see is both parts of the face come off like on the emapth.
Standard Serato Red:
www.kylebuhler.com
Dark Blue for Click:
www.kylebuhler.com
The true Ultra Gangsta:
www.kylebuhler.com
My personal favorite:
www.kylebuhler.com
Also, as you notice I left the top part the origonal color, because this is what they did on the 56. But What I would really like to see is both parts of the face come off like on the emapth.
The Axledental DJ
2:29 AM - 6 March, 2006
Hmm, very interesting, how about the giant SSL dots logo as well?
DJK
2:37 AM - 6 March, 2006
Ya, I tried that in photo shop and it looked funy since I had low quality images to work with.
The Axledental DJ
2:48 AM - 6 March, 2006
This is as large as I can find it: www.rane.com
Its the new SSL / Rane T-Shirt. Or how about re-create the circles and lines...hmm? I'd take an official Rane/SSL black Wallpaper for my Mac OS X. Hint hint...?
Its the new SSL / Rane T-Shirt. Or how about re-create the circles and lines...hmm? I'd take an official Rane/SSL black Wallpaper for my Mac OS X. Hint hint...?
click
3:02 AM - 6 March, 2006
I love you DJK.. (iam not gay), (unless your a woman and good looking -- I am still not gay; however, I still love you )..
(if you can get the serato guys to make it we can negotiate however.. lol)
I love you DJK.. (iam not gay), (unless your a woman and good looking -- I am still not gay; however, I still love you )..
(if you can get the serato guys to make it we can negotiate however.. lol)
click
3:05 AM - 6 March, 2006
That idea rocks so much rocks!!
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Hmm, very interesting, how about the giant SSL dots logo as well?That idea rocks so much rocks!!
DJK
3:26 AM - 6 March, 2006
Still kinda bad quality, but it gets the image across. I don't feel to bad since I am making these in like 5 mins each:
www.kylebuhler.com
I added a little shadow to it too which I thought looked kinda cool.
www.kylebuhler.com
I added a little shadow to it too which I thought looked kinda cool.
click
4:44 AM - 6 March, 2006
www.kylebuhler.com
I added a little shadow to it too which I thought looked kinda cool.
works for me!!
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Still kinda bad quality, but it gets the image across. I don't feel to bad since I am making these in like 5 mins each:www.kylebuhler.com
I added a little shadow to it too which I thought looked kinda cool.
works for me!!
DJ Niche
6:19 AM - 6 March, 2006
Mods is the TTM 57 done or are you guys still considering the suggestions in these forums?
-Niche
-Niche
Steve W
6:30 AM - 6 March, 2006
It had to be pretty much done by NAMM. There was time to make some very slight (mostly cosmetic) changes, but otherwise the hardware is fixed. The firmware and software can of course evolve over time.
The Axledental DJ
6:40 AM - 6 March, 2006
DJK, the SSL logo is awesome, hmm..how about the dark black area be the same color outside of that area?
concorde_pilot
5:14 PM - 6 March, 2006
yeah awesome , djk...
i would like coloured potis , too... (matching the faceplate)
i would like coloured potis , too... (matching the faceplate)
El Duardo
11:05 AM - 25 March, 2006
Why it has only 2 faders. How I can use my Redsound Soundbite with this mixer.
Shaun W
5:45 PM - 25 March, 2006
Contact our National Sales Manager -->> Mike May -->> www.rane.com and our area rep. -->> www.rane.com
If you need more information, please let me know.
If you need more information, please let me know.
Dj Ace
7:17 PM - 25 March, 2006
Because it is a scratch mixer...The empath might suite you better?
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Why it has only 2 faders. How I can use my Redsound Soundbite with this mixer.Because it is a scratch mixer...The empath might suite you better?
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
3:37 AM - 26 March, 2006
hmmmm... could there be an Empath-SL version :) i'd probably hold fort till that's offered !
Julls
3:38 AM - 26 March, 2006
Is there maybe a 4 channel Empath on its way? I don't go below 4 channels.
El Duardo
11:46 AM - 26 March, 2006
Because it is a scratch mixer...The empath might suite you better?
I have the DJM-600 so dont need the Empath, only want a mixer like the TTM 57SL but with more faders.
I dont understand why it's only a scatch mixer because a lot of dj's are no scratch dj but use SSL.
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Why it has only 2 faders. How I can use my Redsound Soundbite with this mixer.Because it is a scratch mixer...The empath might suite you better?
I have the DJM-600 so dont need the Empath, only want a mixer like the TTM 57SL but with more faders.
I dont understand why it's only a scatch mixer because a lot of dj's are no scratch dj but use SSL.
grrillatactics
4:29 PM - 26 March, 2006
I think that the cosmetic changes that have been made (and are reflected with the info on the Rane site) look very nice, and improve the look of the mixer a great deal. Not that appearance is the most important aspect of a mixer, it does help if the look is nice, clean, organized, and classy. The new look is a big jump up from the old look, and I can't wait to get my 57!!!
I have been itching for this mixer, as my only dislike for SSL has been having to spend time with my hands on the laptop rather than on the mixer and vinyl. I love the system, and I think that this mixer will take it to the next level.
I have been itching for this mixer, as my only dislike for SSL has been having to spend time with my hands on the laptop rather than on the mixer and vinyl. I love the system, and I think that this mixer will take it to the next level.
click
4:42 PM - 26 March, 2006
I have been itching for this mixer, as my only dislike for SSL has been having to spend time with my hands on the laptop rather than on the mixer and vinyl.
That's y the shoud make SL2 with the same buttons as the 57 and a mini highrise to put over your mixer, or to the side of one of your tables.. (opposite of where you would put your tables)
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I have been itching for this mixer, as my only dislike for SSL has been having to spend time with my hands on the laptop rather than on the mixer and vinyl.
That's y the shoud make SL2 with the same buttons as the 57 and a mini highrise to put over your mixer, or to the side of one of your tables.. (opposite of where you would put your tables)
DJ MDX
5:07 PM - 26 March, 2006
I would also love a 4 channel 12" model of the TTM 57.
Think about it!
You would have the 2 channel market and the 4 channel market as well.
Anyway, anyone think this is a good idea?
Think about it!
You would have the 2 channel market and the 4 channel market as well.
Anyway, anyone think this is a good idea?
DJKasper_YNY
5:21 PM - 26 March, 2006
i just want the damn thing,. hurry & release it.. yeah i know its backed up in pre order world, but im waiting for some DJ to hit hard times & have to sell it on ebay. LOL that sounds mean.
mexicannnnnn
10:40 PM - 26 March, 2006
haha ;-)
I guess you missed that one.
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Well they said the first 2 runs are sold out.... Im guessing I wont see one in my hands till at least Aug. or Sept.
I guess you missed that one.
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Well they said the first 2 runs are sold out.... Im guessing I wont see one in my hands till at least Aug. or Sept.
DJ MDX
10:59 PM - 26 March, 2006
Get on an pre-order list with someone and pay for it in advance.
It is the only way to insure you will get one with in the 1st three batches.
If you have not done so then it may be 3rd or 4th quarter b4 you get one.
....or I can sell you mine and 3x the price.....lol......j/k
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how long do you think i have to wait to get me oneGet on an pre-order list with someone and pay for it in advance.
It is the only way to insure you will get one with in the 1st three batches.
If you have not done so then it may be 3rd or 4th quarter b4 you get one.
....or I can sell you mine and 3x the price.....lol......j/k
grrillatactics
11:17 PM - 26 March, 2006
When they say the first two runs are "sold out", I think that is referring to them being sold out to their distributors, not that the specific distributors of the product are sold out. Although, maybe places like prosound and musicians friend and guitar center are all sold out based just on preorders, but I kind of doubt that the distros are the ones sold out.
DJ MDX
11:36 PM - 26 March, 2006
Yes, you are correct.
Rane's 1st three runs's are sold out.
Most re/e-tail companies I have spoken to are also sold out of their 1st runs shipments and are nearly sold out of the 2nd run if not already sold out.
Think about this on the level of releasing the new PS3/XB360. Everyone that know what it is wants it..so demand is higher than supply at the moment.
Most that are waiting to walk in to a store when they officially hit the street and just pick one up with out having placed a pre-order are going to be very dissappointed......you will continue to be waiting until supply has caught up with the demand.
Hey SSL Team,
I need a review unit ;-)
Rane's 1st three runs's are sold out.
Most re/e-tail companies I have spoken to are also sold out of their 1st runs shipments and are nearly sold out of the 2nd run if not already sold out.
Think about this on the level of releasing the new PS3/XB360. Everyone that know what it is wants it..so demand is higher than supply at the moment.
Most that are waiting to walk in to a store when they officially hit the street and just pick one up with out having placed a pre-order are going to be very dissappointed......you will continue to be waiting until supply has caught up with the demand.
Hey SSL Team,
I need a review unit ;-)
DJ MDX
12:32 AM - 27 March, 2006
Why not call your local re-tailor or trusted e-tailor and try to place an order...they will give you a guesstamite of when you can receive one.
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so does this mean i cant get one foor like 3 more monthsWhy not call your local re-tailor or trusted e-tailor and try to place an order...they will give you a guesstamite of when you can receive one.
click
1:23 AM - 27 March, 2006
Agi pro sent an e mail two weeks ago asking to bill my credit card.
It that normal -- a month before they can deliver?
It that normal -- a month before they can deliver?
DJ MDX
2:17 AM - 27 March, 2006
It that normal -- a month before they can deliver?
Yes, it is.
Pre-Order also means Pre-Pay....they just want to make sure everyone who said they would buy one is going to actually buy it. If not they can pass it along to some one who is serious about buying it.
The best thing you could have done is email them back or called them to inquire about it. You may be in a situation now that if you had pre-ordered you may have lost your place in line for that shipment...best thing to do is get in touch with them to make sure.
Good luck.
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Agi pro sent an e mail two weeks ago asking to bill my credit card.It that normal -- a month before they can deliver?
Yes, it is.
Pre-Order also means Pre-Pay....they just want to make sure everyone who said they would buy one is going to actually buy it. If not they can pass it along to some one who is serious about buying it.
The best thing you could have done is email them back or called them to inquire about it. You may be in a situation now that if you had pre-ordered you may have lost your place in line for that shipment...best thing to do is get in touch with them to make sure.
Good luck.
DJVigor
2:21 AM - 27 March, 2006
i just called my local guitar center and they said the have 30 of them wating for people to buy
IM HAPPY
IM HAPPY
DJ MDX
2:33 AM - 27 March, 2006
IM HAPPY
Are you saying they have 30 of them in stock right now?
Or have 30 on the way unspoken for?
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i just called my local guitar center and they said the have 30 of them wating for people to buyIM HAPPY
Are you saying they have 30 of them in stock right now?
Or have 30 on the way unspoken for?
DJVigor
2:36 AM - 27 March, 2006
In stock and ready to take orders
they said they cant sell them until April 6
they said they cant sell them until April 6
DJVigor
2:42 AM - 27 March, 2006
yea iasked the same thing
and the guy dubble checked and he said the 6th
and the guy dubble checked and he said the 6th
DJ MDX
2:48 AM - 27 March, 2006
they said they cant sell them until April 6
Lol.....well that sounds kinda fishy there....since officially it has been said that one of the last parts is not scheduled to be received until on or around the middle of April.
Unless....that stuff got in before then....and in that case that would be wonderful news.
But I still think they are pulling your leg.
Go in there tomorrow and ask them to let you see one of the packages...they can not sell but they can show. I will call one of my friends also. He is the main manager for my region so he will know for sure.
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In stock and ready to take ordersthey said they cant sell them until April 6
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They probably meant April 1. :-DLol.....well that sounds kinda fishy there....since officially it has been said that one of the last parts is not scheduled to be received until on or around the middle of April.
Unless....that stuff got in before then....and in that case that would be wonderful news.
But I still think they are pulling your leg.
Go in there tomorrow and ask them to let you see one of the packages...they can not sell but they can show. I will call one of my friends also. He is the main manager for my region so he will know for sure.
DJRodrigoSM.br
2:49 AM - 27 March, 2006
Well, I guess I'd better start being a good boy right about now, cause it's gonna be Christmas by the time I get my hands on one of these...
click
3:00 AM - 27 March, 2006
IM HAPPY
Why would you tip the stock market in the wall street journal (post that here) ... do you really think after posting that here any will be left by tomorrow morning?
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i just called my local guitar center and they said the have 30 of them wating for people to buyIM HAPPY
Why would you tip the stock market in the wall street journal (post that here) ... do you really think after posting that here any will be left by tomorrow morning?
Dj Ace
5:22 AM - 27 March, 2006
Im glad I pre-ordered...If this is true it is on! I check over as www.pssl.com and saw that they have changed the ship date from 04/15/06 to 04/04/06!!! That about a week away...
El Duardo
5:56 AM - 27 March, 2006
Think about it!
You would have the 2 channel market and the 4 channel market as well.
Anyway, anyone think this is a good idea?
Yes I like, if it's 4 channel I will buy it !
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I would also love a 4 channel 12" model of the TTM 57.Think about it!
You would have the 2 channel market and the 4 channel market as well.
Anyway, anyone think this is a good idea?
Yes I like, if it's 4 channel I will buy it !
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
6:20 AM - 27 March, 2006
what did u end up paying (including shipping and tax) ?
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Im glad I pre-ordered...If this is true it is on! I check over as www.pssl.com and saw that they have changed the ship date from 04/15/06 to 04/04/06!!! That about a week away...
DJK
6:23 AM - 27 March, 2006
uh, still says 4/15/06. . .
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Im glad I pre-ordered...If this is true it is on! I check over as www.pssl.com and saw that they have changed the ship date from 04/15/06 to 04/04/06!!! That about a week away...uh, still says 4/15/06. . .
Dj Ace
6:24 AM - 27 March, 2006
Actually I orginally got it for 1449.00 plus tax...But I called them back and they are going to price match www.djdeals.com who sent me an e-mail for $1275.00!
Dj Ace
6:25 AM - 27 March, 2006
uh, still says 4/15/06. . .
www.pssl.com
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Im glad I pre-ordered...If this is true it is on! I check over as www.pssl.com and saw that they have changed the ship date from 04/15/06 to 04/04/06!!! That about a week away...uh, still says 4/15/06. . .
www.pssl.com
ripple
5:24 PM - 27 March, 2006
Anyone has an idea when it will become available in Europe? I called Titan audio, the Belgian Rane distributor and they had no clue.
mexicannnnnn
5:28 PM - 27 March, 2006
Good price!
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Actually I orginally got it for 1449.00 plus tax...But I called them back and they are going to price match www.djdeals.com who sent me an e-mail for $1275.00!Good price!
nobspangle
8:03 PM - 27 March, 2006
I can't see April 6th happening, unless they ship the unit without software. 1.5 isn't out yet and the TTM57SL is going to need 1.6
Dj Ace
12:56 AM - 28 March, 2006
Hey I just talked to Mike at Rane, and he said there is no way that any store could have them in inventory, they wont be ready until the end of April. :(
DJ XTURNAL
12:57 AM - 28 March, 2006
Where did you get that for 1185 DJK? I can only find it for 1449!!!
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
1:08 AM - 28 March, 2006
usd$$ or ....
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Where did you get that for 1185 DJK? I can only find it for 1449!!!
mexicannnnnn
2:49 AM - 28 March, 2006
Has to be USD.
Well if its $1275US from AGI/DJDeals then I'm sure it can be haggled down to $1185US.
Well if its $1275US from AGI/DJDeals then I'm sure it can be haggled down to $1185US.
boabmatic
8:27 AM - 28 March, 2006
I spoke to a local shop and they are expecting to find out the released date during/after the MusikMesse in Frankfurt which is on 29-31 March.
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Anyone has an idea when it will become available in Europe? I called Titan audio, the Belgian Rane distributor and they had no clue.I spoke to a local shop and they are expecting to find out the released date during/after the MusikMesse in Frankfurt which is on 29-31 March.
AGIPRO
5:05 PM - 28 March, 2006
Hey everybody!
Ok, just to clear up a few thing:
1) $1189 is not our selling price. However, we did miss quote our first preorders and as a company that honors our word we also honored those quotes.
2) I spoke with Mike May (national sales manager for Rane) yesterday and he said there are only 2 57's in existance right now. One at the mother ship (Rane headquarters) and one on tour. There is no way that a GC is sitting on a shipment.
3) It is my honost opinion that you will not see 57's shipping until the end of April, begining of May.
4) We are still taking preorders for round two but MDX is correct, all shipments are virtually SOLD OUT. Rane is now quoting new orders (from dealers) with an August delivery date.
5) I will be doing a recorded phone interview with Mike May at the end of this week to clear up even more of the rumors that are floating around. You will be able to listen to it on our blog - blog.agiprodj.com
I hope this helps! ;)
Ok, just to clear up a few thing:
1) $1189 is not our selling price. However, we did miss quote our first preorders and as a company that honors our word we also honored those quotes.
2) I spoke with Mike May (national sales manager for Rane) yesterday and he said there are only 2 57's in existance right now. One at the mother ship (Rane headquarters) and one on tour. There is no way that a GC is sitting on a shipment.
3) It is my honost opinion that you will not see 57's shipping until the end of April, begining of May.
4) We are still taking preorders for round two but MDX is correct, all shipments are virtually SOLD OUT. Rane is now quoting new orders (from dealers) with an August delivery date.
5) I will be doing a recorded phone interview with Mike May at the end of this week to clear up even more of the rumors that are floating around. You will be able to listen to it on our blog - blog.agiprodj.com
I hope this helps! ;)
s42000
9:23 PM - 28 March, 2006
Bummer !!!
Already planned on a TTM57 powered gig on April 15th :(
This is going to be the 1st SSL related disappointment I will experience.
Already planned on a TTM57 powered gig on April 15th :(
This is going to be the 1st SSL related disappointment I will experience.
DJK
11:16 PM - 28 March, 2006
Already planned on a TTM57 powered gig on April 15th :(
This is going to be the 1st SSL related disappointment I will experience.
Haha, me too, same date and everything! BTW- Agi Rules!
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Bummer !!!Already planned on a TTM57 powered gig on April 15th :(
This is going to be the 1st SSL related disappointment I will experience.
Haha, me too, same date and everything! BTW- Agi Rules!
tekmoe
12:12 AM - 29 March, 2006
yup. click below to see the picture of the new SSL 1.6.
djtekmoe.com
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Did anyone get to demo the mixer at Remix Hotel Miami?yup. click below to see the picture of the new SSL 1.6.
djtekmoe.com
DJK
12:23 AM - 29 March, 2006
Not surprising, but the interface seems to have changed quite a bit. . .
Origonal Press release (still on Rane site)
www.rane.com
Tekemoe
djtekmoe.com
Tekemoe, did it have subcrates or master tempo/pnt or any other features that you could see that have been asked for?
Origonal Press release (still on Rane site)
www.rane.com
Tekemoe
djtekmoe.com
Tekemoe, did it have subcrates or master tempo/pnt or any other features that you could see that have been asked for?
DJK
12:32 AM - 29 March, 2006
Look at the 4 icons above the group section in the new screenshot, itunes icon (library), Play/pause icon(transport), loop icon, and fx. I like the way these replaced the old ones.
Also, there is a hardware tab next to browse/review/etc... that most likely colapses the whole new grey section we are looking at. On the grey section there is a "setup tab" probably to asign buttons to do what you want?
Also, very cool to see how the exf cue section works!
I think that pluggin in the TTM57 makes the hardware button apear and the SL1 does not, to keep the versions cross compatible.
Thanks alot tekemoe, this is an awesome screen to check out? Do you have anymore of the other group funtions?
Also, there is a hardware tab next to browse/review/etc... that most likely colapses the whole new grey section we are looking at. On the grey section there is a "setup tab" probably to asign buttons to do what you want?
Also, very cool to see how the exf cue section works!
I think that pluggin in the TTM57 makes the hardware button apear and the SL1 does not, to keep the versions cross compatible.
Thanks alot tekemoe, this is an awesome screen to check out? Do you have anymore of the other group funtions?
tekmoe
2:00 AM - 29 March, 2006
no, unfortunately this is the only picture i have. my friends went to WMC and sent me this picture. they played with it at the remix hotel.
The Axledental DJ
3:04 AM - 29 March, 2006
WOW.. just WOW, could we get an official update on new screen shots of SSL 1.6?
Freddagreat
1:25 PM - 29 March, 2006
someone get me a napkin.
LoL.
I cant wait.
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omfg, I think I pissed myself. . .someone get me a napkin.
LoL.
I cant wait.
Steve M
12:43 AM - 30 March, 2006
Hi folks, yep, we're still waiting for parts to come in and AGIPRO is right, end of April is the very earliest we'll have all the parts now. We had a vendor change their dock date from April 14 to April 28. And we're keeping our fingers crossed that one of the other 100 vendors doesn't screw us all by moving their parts' dock date into May!
Feel free to join us Rane and Serato folk in sending positive vibes to our various parts vendors so all the parts arrive as promised so we can get on with the real fun. ['Cause I don't like this waiting around any more than you guys.]
Feel free to join us Rane and Serato folk in sending positive vibes to our various parts vendors so all the parts arrive as promised so we can get on with the real fun. ['Cause I don't like this waiting around any more than you guys.]
AKIEM
1:18 AM - 30 March, 2006
I want to join in sending them positive vibes.
the reign of this joint is over, it was good while it lasted
www.scratchlive.net
still working perfect as the day it was mod
the reign of this joint is over, it was good while it lasted
www.scratchlive.net
still working perfect as the day it was mod
punosion
1:45 AM - 30 March, 2006
AGIPRO, you guys rock for honoring the lowball pre-order prices...honoring those prices while having full and justified right to cancel them shows real backbone!
Steve, here's sending positive vibes... *sending, sending, sending* ...screens are looking really good, guys!
Steve, here's sending positive vibes... *sending, sending, sending* ...screens are looking really good, guys!
punosion
2:49 AM - 30 March, 2006
Yes yes, a man with bigger stones than I. ;)
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Thanks to AKIEM also for creating a hybrid!Yes yes, a man with bigger stones than I. ;)
s42000
3:57 AM - 30 March, 2006
the reign of this joint is over, it was good while it lasted
www.scratchlive.net
still working perfect as the day it was mod
KUDOS AKIEM..... you helped make the 57 a reality !!
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I want to join in sending them positive vibes.the reign of this joint is over, it was good while it lasted
www.scratchlive.net
still working perfect as the day it was mod
KUDOS AKIEM..... you helped make the 57 a reality !!
DJK
6:03 AM - 30 March, 2006
Arg. . . this is turning into Halo 2. . . I want it so bad, and it just keeps gettin further away.
Then again deep down I knew this was gonna happen, especially since 1.5 isn't even final yet. (Although the only differance from 1.5-1.6 is the added hardware update I am betting.)
I am still way bummed though. . . time to drink some jager.
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end of April is the very earliest we'll have all the parts now. We had a vendor change their dock date from April 14 to April 28.Arg. . . this is turning into Halo 2. . . I want it so bad, and it just keeps gettin further away.
Then again deep down I knew this was gonna happen, especially since 1.5 isn't even final yet. (Although the only differance from 1.5-1.6 is the added hardware update I am betting.)
I am still way bummed though. . . time to drink some jager.
AKIEM
6:40 AM - 30 March, 2006
KUDOS AKIEM..... you helped make the 57 a reality !!
I doubt that my mod really had anything to do with bringing the 58 into existence. I assume that it was already in the works. I dont actually know, maybe someone could tell us how long it takes to go from design to stock, or maybe cant divulge that info.
just proving that it could be done, making sure that it did
got more in store
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KUDOS AKIEM..... you helped make the 57 a reality !!
I doubt that my mod really had anything to do with bringing the 58 into existence. I assume that it was already in the works. I dont actually know, maybe someone could tell us how long it takes to go from design to stock, or maybe cant divulge that info.
just proving that it could be done, making sure that it did
got more in store
The Axledental DJ
7:17 AM - 30 March, 2006
www.skratchworx.com has Musikmess pictures of the Rane TTM57SL and SSL 1.6 s/w GUI up, go check it out at this link: www.skratchworx.com
vidoona
8:45 AM - 30 March, 2006
What's that virtual vinyl thing from Numark. I see a SSL type interface w/videos.....looks like turntable controlling it too. Anybody know? Are they entering the game?
AKIEM
8:45 AM - 30 March, 2006
looking at the ssl screen shows that effects section takes much space from the song selection area. I just want to bump this idea for scroll action --> www.scratchlive.net
I cant believe that Im the only one out there that is anoyed by continualy having to scroll back and forth to find the right file.
If the selector could stay centerd in the selection area you could see ahead. the edge wont always hide what files behind the edge...
oh well
I cant believe that Im the only one out there that is anoyed by continualy having to scroll back and forth to find the right file.
If the selector could stay centerd in the selection area you could see ahead. the edge wont always hide what files behind the edge...
oh well
s42000
1:01 PM - 30 March, 2006
KUDOS AKIEM..... you helped make the 57 a reality !!
I doubt that my mod really had anything to do with bringing the 58 into existence. I assume that it was already in the works. I dont actually know, maybe someone could tell us how long it takes to go from design to stock, or maybe cant divulge that info.
just proving that it could be done, making sure that it did
got more in store
got more in store !!!!
Now that's scary ... give us a hint ...
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KUDOS AKIEM..... you helped make the 57 a reality !!
I doubt that my mod really had anything to do with bringing the 58 into existence. I assume that it was already in the works. I dont actually know, maybe someone could tell us how long it takes to go from design to stock, or maybe cant divulge that info.
just proving that it could be done, making sure that it did
got more in store
got more in store !!!!
Now that's scary ... give us a hint ...
AKIEM
2:32 PM - 30 March, 2006
probably nothing that cool... still a couple bangers tho
if I had more skills I would make the flexFX outs, stereo and seperate for multi track recording, guess the 58 can do that too. not sure yet.
if I had more skills I would put a headphone monitor system on it like rane.com wish they would do it on the 58
but I got some shit tho
if I had more skills I would make the flexFX outs, stereo and seperate for multi track recording, guess the 58 can do that too. not sure yet.
if I had more skills I would put a headphone monitor system on it like rane.com wish they would do it on the 58
but I got some shit tho
s42000
2:56 PM - 30 March, 2006
Remember, to AKIEM his is the original 57 and that makes the Rane one 58 :)
DJ MDX
4:31 PM - 30 March, 2006
I C....lol
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Remember, to AKIEM his is the original 57 and that makes the Rane one 58 :)I C....lol
Steve M
5:01 PM - 30 March, 2006
It's probably no surprise that the very first meeting and informal discussion between Rane and Serato a year-ish before we shipped the first SL 1 was on incorporating USB and a control surface on a mixer in the vein of the TTM 57.
click
6:44 PM - 30 March, 2006
So will contrl suface be on the SL2?
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It's probably no surprise that the very first meeting and informal discussion between Rane and Serato a year-ish before we shipped the first SL 1 was on incorporating USB and a control surface on a mixer in the vein of the TTM 57.So will contrl suface be on the SL2?
hologram
6:32 PM - 31 March, 2006
Looking at the picks I don;t think I need a D2 (numark) type of console anymore. I haven;t looked through all the picks yet but if theplay control does what I think it does then I'm cool.
hologram
7:09 PM - 31 March, 2006
Any plans to sell ssl interface licenses to other mixer manufacturers?
AKIEM
8:19 AM - 14 April, 2006
Sam, is this in deed ryte sir?
"It does have split cue"
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I'm going to attempt to answer some of your questions ... it's USB 1, like the SL 1, however it uses magic. It does have split cue, and transform switches. Key Shift was for the new Key Control feature (aka master tempo) which we were hoping to show at NAMM, but unfortunately it's not quite ready. MAP is not $1700, it's cheaper than that. Faders are the same as a 56 - shorter than the empath.Sam, is this in deed ryte sir?
"It does have split cue"
Shaun W
4:08 PM - 14 April, 2006
The headphone cue functions within the TTM 57 SL are exactly like the cue function within the TTM 56.
DJK
9:50 PM - 18 April, 2006
HAHA, I am so tired that I started clicking on tabs in the program to see what the did. . . .
DJK
9:54 PM - 18 April, 2006
Hey mods, what is the 123 by the footswitch? Does it tell you what kind of footswitch you have detected (pointless, just look down?) OR can you make 3 differant footswitch setup for each goup?
DJK
9:55 PM - 18 April, 2006
Arg, sorry I cant just make one well thought out post, but is there any way we can get screens of the other 3 groups?
DJK
10:06 PM - 18 April, 2006
Whoah, looky at the "a po" drop down next to the mic record, guessing that is to choose the recording bus maybe?
Also, I understand you can asign each control to do what you like pretty much, but can you label what it does, or is that pre-determined.
Along with my request for the other 3 group screens, can we see the Setup screen on the hardware part?
Thanks for indulging me Rane/SSL because this is like the only "fix" I can get right now to hold me over until D-Day (Literally since no one really knows when it will come!)
Also, I understand you can asign each control to do what you like pretty much, but can you label what it does, or is that pre-determined.
Along with my request for the other 3 group screens, can we see the Setup screen on the hardware part?
Thanks for indulging me Rane/SSL because this is like the only "fix" I can get right now to hold me over until D-Day (Literally since no one really knows when it will come!)
nik39
10:12 PM - 18 April, 2006
Yep.
Why would you want to label them different to their function? You can change the functions as you like.
At the time when I saw the mixer at the Messe there was nothing different in the setup screen. Might have changed.
BTW, did you have a look at the video where Sam demo's the TTM57 here scratchlive.net <- click?
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Whoah, looky at the "a po" drop down next to the mic record, guessing that is to choose the recording bus maybe?Yep.
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Also, I understand you can asign each control to do what you like pretty much, but can you label what it does, or is that pre-determined.Why would you want to label them different to their function? You can change the functions as you like.
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Along with my request for the other 3 group screens, can we see the Setup screen on the hardware part?At the time when I saw the mixer at the Messe there was nothing different in the setup screen. Might have changed.
BTW, did you have a look at the video where Sam demo's the TTM57 here scratchlive.net <- click?
DJK
10:15 PM - 18 April, 2006
I am talking about the SETUP button at the top of the new hardware control area, right above the group buttons. I am guessing this is hw you assign controls and the like. . .
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At the time when I saw the mixer at the Messe there was nothing different in the setup screen. Might have changed.I am talking about the SETUP button at the top of the new hardware control area, right above the group buttons. I am guessing this is hw you assign controls and the like. . .
nik39
10:18 PM - 18 April, 2006
Ah... havent seen that button before (at least not recognized).
You can assign the buttons by clicking on the labels (at least thats how it was back then, but I assume it would make more sense to have that on a different screen (-> setup)).
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I am talking about the SETUP button at the top of the new hardware control area, right above the group buttons. I am guessing this is hw you assign controls and the like. .Ah... havent seen that button before (at least not recognized).
You can assign the buttons by clicking on the labels (at least thats how it was back then, but I assume it would make more sense to have that on a different screen (-> setup)).
DJK
10:19 PM - 18 April, 2006
You mean the one where the final scratch guys are asking if they could touch the 57 and see what it feels like to "play vinyl the digital way?"
nik39
10:22 PM - 18 April, 2006
Haha, admit it... you hacked my computer and copied all the secret vids :))
DJK
10:23 PM - 18 April, 2006
hmmmmm this is all a google image search for "TTM57" turns up:
www.animetrain.com
RANE WHAT ARE YOU UP TOO!?!?
www.animetrain.com
RANE WHAT ARE YOU UP TOO!?!?
DJK
10:50 PM - 18 April, 2006
Nemonic did it. . .
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Haha, admit it... you hacked my computer and copied all the secret vids :))Nemonic did it. . .
DJK
10:58 PM - 18 April, 2006
That gu is an ass, first time a encountered him was on DJF, and I have hated hime everywhere ever since.
DJK
12:53 AM - 19 April, 2006
Yes, I'm sorry. Back to topic. :)
Heh, that sure gave me a good giggle.
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Can we stay on topic?Yes, I'm sorry. Back to topic. :)
Heh, that sure gave me a good giggle.
Steve M
3:03 AM - 19 April, 2006
The 57 setup screen is still being finalized. There's a few more things to get tweaked just right. The same goes for the other Group screens, so I think we may wait until they're more complete before taking a screen shot. Sorry I can't expose it all to everyone just yet...
DJK
3:41 AM - 19 April, 2006
Totally understand, THANKYOU VERY MUCH for saying that, I really apreciate it. There is nothing worse then asking something like that, and it just goes unawnsered, and you just think to yourself "oh wait, this isn't scratchlive, this is manufacturer XXXXX's forum, no wonder. . ."
nik39
3:49 PM - 29 October, 2006
Just a reminder... Two important functions which are missing yet:
(Steve W:)
How can this be? Well what we've done is moved some of the processing that Scratch LIVE does into a DSP chip built into the mixer. In the current implementation that means half as much data needs to be sent over the USB connection, so reading both control records consumes just 1 of the available stereo pairs to the computer.
Actually this will be possible. I can't say for sure if the software will support it on ship day, but the mixer was definitely designed with this in mind.
(Steve W:)
Can they be used with other apps[/b], or with SSL only ?
-not at this stage
Bad one.
Definitely not by April, but midi output will happen. It's an important feature, so I would think sooner rather than later.
This feature is important for me (I dont like how the upfaders suddenly cut off at the bottom when you dont have the curve set to the smoothest position):
(Sam:)
- you will be able to program any curve you wish
(Steve W:)
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I'll elaborate a little on the recording capabilities. This is a USB1.1 audio device that supports 8 streaming channels of audio. In terms of bandwidth utilization this mixer actually uses less than the SL 1. Even so, it adds the ability to record your mix while using two control records or CDs.How can this be? Well what we've done is moved some of the processing that Scratch LIVE does into a DSP chip built into the mixer. In the current implementation that means half as much data needs to be sent over the USB connection, so reading both control records consumes just 1 of the available stereo pairs to the computer.
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Shame you can't do the post fader recording on each channel whilst using control signals though.Actually this will be possible. I can't say for sure if the software will support it on ship day, but the mixer was definitely designed with this in mind.
(Steve W:)
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[b]do the encoders send standard midi cc ?Can they be used with other apps[/b], or with SSL only ?
-not at this stage
Bad one.
Definitely not by April, but midi output will happen. It's an important feature, so I would think sooner rather than later.
This feature is important for me (I dont like how the upfaders suddenly cut off at the bottom when you dont have the curve set to the smoothest position):
(Sam:)
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Does anyone know if the upfader curve would be altered compared to the ttm56? Only thing i hated about my rane, i prefer the vestax style cut (at the top of the fader).- you will be able to program any curve you wish
