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1 thing I HATE about the 57

BriChi 4:10 PM - 29 June, 2008
I know it sounds dumb but, the up faders are to loose (or should be adjustable via a set screw or something). Here is my story from last night:

So recently I pulled out my rotary Empath (which I loved) and put in the 57 so I can get video going. The one thing I hate is how loose the up fader are, the crossfader is great because thats where I do all my cutting, I know some dj's also use the up faders to scratch so they like them loose too, but I don't. When mixing I set my volumes so my channel 1 and 2 faders are at my desired level about half way up that way it leaves me some head room for some lower volume tracks or lower parts in a song, the downfall to this is (like last night), I was playing a slow song so my channel 1 fader was ony at about 3-4 and when I reached over to do something I lightly bumped into the fader and it shot the volume all the up to 10 and almost killed half the crowd by giving them heart attacks. LOL

is there a way to tighten up the faders (i know they are spring adjustable but is that enough) or can I install tighter Rane faders, OR make a damn rotary 57 already, I miss the rotary knobs, I always used Urei's, Bozak's and then the Rane 2016, so I have always had rotaries as my preference so using the 57 is a little rough right now.

Any suggestions guys?
DJ Dynamite - NJ 8:07 PM - 29 June, 2008
Don't be so clumsy...lol
On the real though, how about using the rotary gain knobs to adjust your levels. Instead of having the faders halfway up, leave the gain halfway and adjust the gain accordingly to each song.
BriChi 8:41 PM - 29 June, 2008
LOL. True. I could practice a little that way to see
Thundercat 2:19 AM - 30 June, 2008
I am a proponent of using the gain to adjust levels of tracks while leaving the channel faders at full open.
dj king g 5:12 AM - 30 June, 2008
I thought all djs used gain to adjust levels on songs and leave the channel faders at full volume... JK but that is the only way to go incase something like that does happen.... I agree they are loose compared to my pioneer but never been a problem.... i say go this way and that will never happen again!!!
DJ Prinvale` 5:53 AM - 30 June, 2008
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I am a proponent of using the gain to adjust levels of tracks while leaving the channel faders at full open.


this is the method i use a well, but I also understand not everyone mixing the exact same so I can't image how annoying it would be for BriChi
sixxx 8:41 AM - 30 June, 2008
Adjust the tension of the fader spring.
BriChi 1:19 PM - 30 June, 2008
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Adjust the tension of the fader spring.
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I did, I got it a little tighter, but they don't give you much spring to mess with, If you bend it to much it screws the whole spring up and it barely stays on properly
nik39 8:16 PM - 30 June, 2008
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When mixing I set my volumes so my channel 1 and 2 faders are at my desired level about half way up that way it leaves me some head room for some lower volume tracks or lower parts in a song, the downfall to this is (like last night), I was playing a slow song so my channel 1 fader was ony at about 3-4 and when I reached over to do something I lightly bumped into the fader and it shot the volume all the up to 10 and almost killed half the crowd by giving them heart attacks. LOL

Uhm, I personally think (even if I know that there is no real "right" or "wrong" way) you should use the channel gains to adjust the volumes, *not* the linefaders. This may work ok on 100mm faders and larger, but def. not on DJ mixers with small, light faders.
Billy18bm 6:34 AM - 1 July, 2008
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Don't be so clumsy...lol
On the real though, how about using the rotary gain knobs to adjust your levels. Instead of having the faders halfway up, leave the gain halfway and adjust the gain accordingly to each song.
hell yea i use the gains all day... sometimes ill use the ups but its just to hard to be slow...
fl0w 10:11 AM - 1 July, 2008
Hmm the gain knob only goes to -15, you can't achieve full cut.
It's even worse on the Empath, only -12.

Moreover, if you use the gain knob, you can't cue properly.

Or am I missing something?
nik39 11:31 AM - 1 July, 2008
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Hmm the gain knob only goes to -15, you can't achieve full cut.
It's even worse on the Empath, only -12.

Moreover, if you use the gain knob, you can't cue properly.

Or am I missing something?

Seems like you haven't updated your TTM57 firmware. Full cut has been there for a very long time.
Billy18bm 3:56 PM - 1 July, 2008
:-)
Kenny Q 8:39 PM - 1 July, 2008
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fader was only at about 3-4 and when I reached over to do something I lightly bumped into the fader and it shot the volume all the up to 10 and almost killed half the crowd by giving them heart attacks.


We've had that happen several times, I've moved the crossfader without knowing several times too.

We even (accidentally) activated the button that reverses the fader more than once and spent what seemed like forever, looking for the problem.

It really sux.
nik39 10:26 PM - 1 July, 2008
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We've had that happen several times, I've moved the crossfader without knowing several times too.

How can you blame the mixer for this?
Kenny Q 12:00 AM - 2 July, 2008
It's not the mixer's fault.
nik39 12:02 AM - 2 July, 2008
Sorry, I misunderstood you. Thought you were saying "it really sux" and meant the mixer or something related.
Billy18bm 4:55 AM - 2 July, 2008
seriously thats why u max out ur upfaders so u cant overload them...
BriChi 12:42 PM - 2 July, 2008
Yeah, I gotta get used to mixing with the faders maxed. I used rotary's for so long which u obviously don't max out when mixing.
shiestO! 3:10 PM - 2 July, 2008
yeah what i was gonna say is keep the upfaders at 10 and use either gain or eq's to boost the sound for them there quiet songs.
s3kn0tr0n1c 2:14 PM - 3 July, 2008
yeh man that what the trim/gain knob is for.

then you hav no chance of accidentally blasting in a track way too loud
Joshua Carl 12:07 AM - 24 September, 2008
what I wouldnt give for the screw-in rotary knobs that are on the Rane rotary.

for DJs that wear two hats, the hiphop...and the house.

the up-faders on no mixers seem to have it right yet compared to a rotary knob.
I wouldnt even get into the vestaxs...those things UGGGGGGGGGH.

but most mixers in stead of a slow graidient increase of volume its like the the bottom 2/3rds of the fader hardly does anything, then that top 1/3 takes you from 10% to 100% in less than a half inch of fader.

so, like said...the trims & gains are a great correction.
but the reason why the great house mixers didnt have gains was because
you had such a command over the levels.

for the record RANE, if you built a rotary kit for the 57. I would buy it in a heart beat
BriChi 12:13 AM - 24 September, 2008
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for the record RANE, if you built a rotary kit for the 57. I would buy it in a heart beat


Same here, I would buy it the day it was released, I miss my empath rotary because I have to use the 57 to do video :(
Hidden Driveways 4:26 PM - 25 September, 2008
I've gotten into the habit of adjusting levels with the gain knobs, but I find that my gains end up too hot. When I've been mixing for a little while I find I'll have a song playing and sort of forget that that channel's gain is high. Then I'll start cueing up another record and I realize its volume is really low and that I have to crank up that channel's gain into the red just to blend in with the channel that is going out the masters.

I suppose this method works, but it flies in the face of all other audio practices where you put great care into setting your gain structure properly - then you typically don't touch it again, except for a tiny cut or boost here and there.
Kadilac 11:23 PM - 25 September, 2008
I wish it had a rotary crossfader curve adjustment. I wish it wasn't so dark visually(I need a light to see the levels well), the mic input isn't the greatest, I wish it had dual XLR inputs. And finally I wish it had a tap bpm effects button!
Joshua Carl 12:35 AM - 1 October, 2008
its funny one of the most important tricks, if u wanna call it that, I learned in my first week of nightclub dj'ing.

they had an outboard LED display of the gains, it was a rack monuted 2 inch piece right about the mixer. ...oh...this little puppy:
us.st12.yimg.com

once its set in sequence with the mixer gains you have a ACCURATE visual read on where your gains are on each channel....
basically, age old rule: stay out of the red, make sure the levels are the same, and when mixing be sure and make level changes swift & on the proper bar...
that little LED still helps me with the days of MPs, becuase even a 320kbs could have been a 128 polish job and you need to tweak the gains accordingly.

so, use your split channel LED lights!!! they help if u dont have the ear for it yet!
monkeybiz 9:11 PM - 1 October, 2008
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becuase even a 320kbs could have been a 128 polish job...


Depends where you're getting music from.
marknonsense1 5:59 PM - 15 October, 2008
A little dirt will work. . . lol