Serato Software Feature Suggestions
Automatic gain, please!!!!
What features would you like to see in Serato software?
Automatic gain, please!!!!
DJ Stuart (AR)
6:25 PM - 25 September, 2004
All tracks should play at the same volume.
FS did it. Why cant you?
I think it's really helpful.
Every record is mastered in a different way and that means trouble when you are spinning.
FS did it. Why cant you?
I think it's really helpful.
Every record is mastered in a different way and that means trouble when you are spinning.
nik39
6:52 PM - 25 September, 2004
This feature has allready been suggested a couple of times. Search the board.
radish
3:12 AM - 26 September, 2004
I agree it would be nice, and FS did a (reasonable) job of it. But really, DJs have survived years without auto gain control on regular vinyl!
feniks
1:40 PM - 26 September, 2004
this sort of takes some of the fun and skill out of djing....IMO
chubbsta
1:52 PM - 26 September, 2004
The thing is, vinyl is all more or less of the same volume. If you start combining MP3s from different sources, that's where the problems start. Because if you, let's say downloaded one mp3 from the net, recorded one of vinyl, one of cd, they'll most likely be of different AUDIBLE volume, even if all files are normalized (to 0dB). Which means LOUDNESS does NOT equal level. So even if two mp3s are the same LEVEL, the don't necessarily have to be of the same felt LOUDNESS. So, yes... I'd like Autogain as well, even if it has been requested. This would be the next feature at least I would like to see added.
BassChamber
3:04 PM - 26 September, 2004
i use mp3 gain to set all track gains to a default level... even when i was a FS user.
but i agree with you, auto gain make our job easier, and i would like to see this in next updates. (and louder output volume too)
but i agree with you, auto gain make our job easier, and i would like to see this in next updates. (and louder output volume too)
Prime-X
6:32 AM - 27 September, 2004
That's a good idea. Today is not like yesterday that was before, DJ's now a days are getting more & more creative and having to deal with stuff like this would be a pain in the ass. I been DJ since 90s and I love my turntables but now having cd's is so different...it give you new things to play around with and it's fun, but I still love my turntable because it's classic-old school. But if I'm buying something and the only difference is that this thing plays "mp3" with no other things build into it why really "waste" my money on it. I could just stay with my Denon or just get something else. All PPL here got some really good suggestion, (Serato/Rane)they're lucky we don't charge them with our ideas.
DJ Stuart (AR)
1:01 PM - 27 September, 2004
I don't use downloaded MP3s (i dont like how they sound) every track i play comes either from my vinyl collection or my CDs. But still, records are mastered in different ways, some on -0.3 db, some lower, some of them are brighter, some of them sound like crap.
The thing is Autogain can fix this and in think it will be included on v1.2.
Oh, by the way, i'm loving SSL. I'm playing my own productions live, i can scratch sentences from my songs live and even extend the track by beatjuggling. I always hide my laptop on a small shelf underneath the turntables (cause i use the "track select "on the control record"
Someone always comes to the stage after the show and asks me "Where did you press your own vinyl???" , "I can't tell you".
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The thing is, vinyl is all more or less of the same volume. If you start combining MP3s from different sources, that's where the problems start. Because if you, let's say downloaded one mp3 from the net, recorded one of vinyl, one of cd, they'll most likely be of different AUDIBLE volume, even if all files are normalized (to 0dB). Which means LOUDNESS does NOT equal level. So even if two mp3s are the same LEVEL...I don't use downloaded MP3s (i dont like how they sound) every track i play comes either from my vinyl collection or my CDs. But still, records are mastered in different ways, some on -0.3 db, some lower, some of them are brighter, some of them sound like crap.
The thing is Autogain can fix this and in think it will be included on v1.2.
Oh, by the way, i'm loving SSL. I'm playing my own productions live, i can scratch sentences from my songs live and even extend the track by beatjuggling. I always hide my laptop on a small shelf underneath the turntables (cause i use the "track select "on the control record"
Someone always comes to the stage after the show and asks me "Where did you press your own vinyl???" , "I can't tell you".
Couin
7:01 PM - 28 September, 2004
But to have autogain , the track must be analyzed before ?
Imagine you are playing a song for the first time, then not analyzed, so can't autogain it... when analyze (during playing) finish, autogain could enabled, and the song level change... no ?
Couin
Imagine you are playing a song for the first time, then not analyzed, so can't autogain it... when analyze (during playing) finish, autogain could enabled, and the song level change... no ?
Couin
nik39
7:08 PM - 28 September, 2004
Couin, you are right, but keep in mind, an automatic batch analyzer for SSL is planned, so you shouldnt run into problems. And if you are using a non analyzed track, then autogain will simply not work. Its up to you, either you pre-analyze and you can use autogain, or you dont pre-analyze, and you wont be able to have a big wave overview and also no autogain :)
Couin
7:19 PM - 28 September, 2004
Exactly, what I wanted to say is : don't put the plough before oxen ;-)))
And exactly too for disable autogain if track is not analyzed.
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Couin, you are right, but keep in mind, an automatic batch analyzer for SSL is planned.Exactly, what I wanted to say is : don't put the plough before oxen ;-)))
And exactly too for disable autogain if track is not analyzed.
nik39
7:50 PM - 28 September, 2004
Pardon?
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Exactly, what I wanted to say is : don't put the plough before oxenPardon?
Couin
9:45 PM - 28 September, 2004
It's a french saying "Ne pas mettre la charrue avant les boeufs".
It means we do things in the goods order. :-)
1) Mass Analyze
2) Autogain
Couin
It means we do things in the goods order. :-)
1) Mass Analyze
2) Autogain
Couin
radish
10:11 PM - 28 September, 2004
The closest I've heard in english is "don't put the cart before the horse" - same idea :)
Martin
11:29 AM - 29 September, 2004
or in dutch: Het paard achter de wagen spannen ;)
And now our language lessons are over! ;)
And now our language lessons are over! ;)
chubbsta
2:26 PM - 29 September, 2004
No, they're not... In German: "Spann mal nicht den Karren VOR den Ochsen!" ;-)
Couin
11:58 PM - 29 September, 2004
LOOOOOL Excellent Shaun !
Computer Language !!!!
You have the point ! ;)
Couin
Computer Language !!!!
You have the point ! ;)
Couin
sixxx
2:57 AM - 23 May, 2005
People are funny... auto this.. auto that... stop AUTO COMPLAINING.
Automatic gain? Why not use the led meters... that's what they're there for.
If you're not using them, don't be a dj... get a jukebox to replace you...
:)
Automatic gain? Why not use the led meters... that's what they're there for.
If you're not using them, don't be a dj... get a jukebox to replace you...
:)
BassChamber
9:50 AM - 23 May, 2005
nah... c´mon sixx, changing gains with SSL and your mouse is a pain in the ass. autogain would make things more comfortable and we will not waste time messing with that.
anyways, i would like to see this feature optional.
anyways, i would like to see this feature optional.
nik39
10:16 AM - 23 May, 2005
sixxx, dont forget, with SSL you have tracks from different sources, like from CD (which are mostly maximized allready) and then from vinyl and maybe tape or so. So you end up with different volumes, unless you take really much care into making the sounding the same volume. So, I think autogain is a usefull function.
dj dawn
2:22 PM - 26 May, 2005
You can be a more creative dj if you don't have to worry about different volumes all the time!
Muhamor
10:20 PM - 31 May, 2005
1) Why you can't use the gain knob on the mixer??? why touching the gain at the software???
2) A DJ should determine the gain volume by his ears and not by leds or auto gain functions.....
2) A DJ should determine the gain volume by his ears and not by leds or auto gain functions.....
Muhamor
10:20 PM - 31 May, 2005
1) Why you can't use the gain knob on the mixer??? why touching the gain at the software???
2) A DJ should determine the gain volume by his ears and not by leds or auto gain functions.....
2) A DJ should determine the gain volume by his ears and not by leds or auto gain functions.....
nik39
11:03 PM - 31 May, 2005
2) A DJ should use real vinyls, as the titel DJ DISK JOCKEY says. If you spin with SSL you are not real!
Couldnt resist ;)
Couldnt resist ;)
sixxx
6:52 AM - 1 June, 2005
Look. Not all vinyl or all CD's sound the same. Not all are mastered in the same place using the same specs. So, I don't buy your excuse. Just face the fact that dj's are getting very lazy now. Muhamor mentioned using the gain knob on the mixer if you think using the software gain is a pain. I hope a future version of SSL has auto gain just so you'll can stop complaining.
Here are the reasons I bought and use SSL.
1. Not hauling tons of vinyl to a gig.
2. Having access of to a huge library, almost instantly.
3. Feels and acts just like vinyl - because it is.
4. Being able to play classic songs I may not have on vinyl or I may not want to risk damaging.
I mix as raw as they come. I have never even seen the internal function in action cause I want it to be just like regular vinyl. I don't even use the relative feature because if you've been doing this as long as I have, few records will skip anyway (purposely).
Talent is something an auto feature won't bring to you. Oh yeah, and finally. It's DISC JOCKEY... not DISK.
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sixxx, dont forget, with SSL you have tracks from different sources, like from CD (which are mostly maximized allready) and then from vinyl and maybe tape or so. So you end up with different volumes, unless you take really much care into making the sounding the same volume. So, I think autogain is a usefull function.Look. Not all vinyl or all CD's sound the same. Not all are mastered in the same place using the same specs. So, I don't buy your excuse. Just face the fact that dj's are getting very lazy now. Muhamor mentioned using the gain knob on the mixer if you think using the software gain is a pain. I hope a future version of SSL has auto gain just so you'll can stop complaining.
Here are the reasons I bought and use SSL.
1. Not hauling tons of vinyl to a gig.
2. Having access of to a huge library, almost instantly.
3. Feels and acts just like vinyl - because it is.
4. Being able to play classic songs I may not have on vinyl or I may not want to risk damaging.
I mix as raw as they come. I have never even seen the internal function in action cause I want it to be just like regular vinyl. I don't even use the relative feature because if you've been doing this as long as I have, few records will skip anyway (purposely).
Talent is something an auto feature won't bring to you. Oh yeah, and finally. It's DISC JOCKEY... not DISK.
BassChamber
8:02 AM - 1 June, 2005
it would be nonsense to not get advantage of the technology. messing with gains is a waste of time, it doesnt make you a better dj.
just my 02...
just my 02...
bush
9:28 AM - 1 June, 2005
2) A DJ should determine the gain volume by his ears and not by leds or auto gain functions.....
Ill tell you what. You can turn off auto gain if they implement it and us fake djs will use it
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1) Why you can't use the gain knob on the mixer??? why touching the gain at the software???2) A DJ should determine the gain volume by his ears and not by leds or auto gain functions.....
Ill tell you what. You can turn off auto gain if they implement it and us fake djs will use it
nik39
11:25 AM - 1 June, 2005
Okay, you got me ;)
But honestly, when I look at some friends music colletion, the volume and quality varies a lot. Why not use what technology gives us? I mean... we are allready benefitting from it, cause you dont carry your crates anymore.
Sorry about that. English is not my native language and in german we say "Disk" and not "disc", besides that I remember that on vinyls you can see "mastered at Masterdisk". Dont know what that means then ;-)
And finally, I dont want SSL to give me talent, either I have it or not, no technology can give you that, I agree, and its good that way.
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Look. Not all vinyl or all CD's sound the same. Not all are mastered in the same place using the same specs. So, I don't buy your excuse. Just face the fact that dj's are getting very lazy now.Okay, you got me ;)
But honestly, when I look at some friends music colletion, the volume and quality varies a lot. Why not use what technology gives us? I mean... we are allready benefitting from it, cause you dont carry your crates anymore.
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DISC JOCKEY... not DISK.Sorry about that. English is not my native language and in german we say "Disk" and not "disc", besides that I remember that on vinyls you can see "mastered at Masterdisk". Dont know what that means then ;-)
And finally, I dont want SSL to give me talent, either I have it or not, no technology can give you that, I agree, and its good that way.
nik39
11:29 AM - 1 June, 2005
Oh, look what wikipedia ( en.wikipedia.org <- click) says:
And en.wikipedia.org <- click says also:
The divergence in spelling is due in part to the way in which the words originated. Disk came into the English language in the mid-17th century, and was modelled on words such as whisk; disc arose some time later, and was based on the original Latin root discus. In the 19th century, disc became the conventional spelling for audio recordings made on a flat plate, such as the gramophone record; this usage gave rise to the modern term disc jockey. Early BBC technicians differentiated between disks (in-house transcription records) and discs (the colloquial term for commercial gramophone records, or what the BBC dubbed CGRs).
By the 20th century, the c-spelling was more popular in British English, while the k-spelling was preferred in American English. In the 1940s, when the American company IBM pioneered the first hard disk storage devices, the k-spelling was used. In 1979 the European company Philips, along with Sony, developed the compact disc medium; here, the c-spelling was chosen, possibly because of the predominating British spelling, or because the compact disc was seen as a successor to the analogue disc record.
Whatever their heritage, in computer jargon today it is common for the k-spelling to refer mainly to magnetic storage devices, while the c-spelling is customary for optical media such as the compact disc and similar technologies. Even in the computing field, however, the terms are used inconsistently; software documentation often uses the k-spelling exclusively.
So forget what I wrote before, I am not from Germany, derived from my spelling I am a true american ;-)
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The name "Disc jockey" developed in the era when the only sound recordings available were disc records. For the reason it's disc jockey rather than disk jockey, see disk or disc. Disc is more often spelled "Disk" in the USA.And en.wikipedia.org <- click says also:
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Disk or disc?The divergence in spelling is due in part to the way in which the words originated. Disk came into the English language in the mid-17th century, and was modelled on words such as whisk; disc arose some time later, and was based on the original Latin root discus. In the 19th century, disc became the conventional spelling for audio recordings made on a flat plate, such as the gramophone record; this usage gave rise to the modern term disc jockey. Early BBC technicians differentiated between disks (in-house transcription records) and discs (the colloquial term for commercial gramophone records, or what the BBC dubbed CGRs).
By the 20th century, the c-spelling was more popular in British English, while the k-spelling was preferred in American English. In the 1940s, when the American company IBM pioneered the first hard disk storage devices, the k-spelling was used. In 1979 the European company Philips, along with Sony, developed the compact disc medium; here, the c-spelling was chosen, possibly because of the predominating British spelling, or because the compact disc was seen as a successor to the analogue disc record.
Whatever their heritage, in computer jargon today it is common for the k-spelling to refer mainly to magnetic storage devices, while the c-spelling is customary for optical media such as the compact disc and similar technologies. Even in the computing field, however, the terms are used inconsistently; software documentation often uses the k-spelling exclusively.
So forget what I wrote before, I am not from Germany, derived from my spelling I am a true american ;-)
sixxx
2:17 PM - 1 June, 2005
Disc is more often spelled "Disk" in the USA. <--- Wrong. Don't trust everything you see on the net. :)
sixxx
2:24 PM - 1 June, 2005
...and when they said "Disc is more often spelled "Disk" in the USA" I think they meant the word by itself. Disc Jockey is hardly ever (IF EVER) spelled Disk Jockey in the US or anywhere else. Just do a simple web search for "Disk Jockey" rather than "Disc Jockey".
Couin
2:42 PM - 1 June, 2005
Bla, bla, blaaaa ... :)
Look the title of the thread :
Automatic gain, please!!!!
:))))
Look the title of the thread :
Automatic gain, please!!!!
:))))
sixxx
8:08 PM - 1 June, 2005
I would love to see an automatic gain too. Even if I never use it. jk. :)
s42000
9:00 PM - 1 June, 2005
رجّحت دراسة حديثة عدم وجود سابق للمياه على سطح المريخ، أو على الأقلّ في المنطقة التي يمكن رؤيتها منه، بناء على معطيات من المسبار أوديسي. وتقول الدراسة إنّ منطقة من المريخ تحتوي على كثير من المواد الزيتية. وتكمن أهميّة وجود المعدن في كون مجرى المياه وتأثيراتها "سيغسل" ويفتّت فضلاته. ووجود المعدن بهذه الكمية على المريخ، يعني أنّه لم تكن هناك مياه في السابق مثلما رجّح بعض العلماء.
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"1100010 0010101 0101001 001110 00101"رجّحت دراسة حديثة عدم وجود سابق للمياه على سطح المريخ، أو على الأقلّ في المنطقة التي يمكن رؤيتها منه، بناء على معطيات من المسبار أوديسي. وتقول الدراسة إنّ منطقة من المريخ تحتوي على كثير من المواد الزيتية. وتكمن أهميّة وجود المعدن في كون مجرى المياه وتأثيراتها "سيغسل" ويفتّت فضلاته. ووجود المعدن بهذه الكمية على المريخ، يعني أنّه لم تكن هناك مياه في السابق مثلما رجّح بعض العلماء.
KMXE
10:53 PM - 1 June, 2005
this thread is awesome - more twists than a hitchcock movie! let me add another twist
"...... then Serato said to Marie 'How dare you call me fake! You bitch'. Then Serato used his disc/disk and cut her hair off!...."
seriously though... auto gain would be good to try and get low level songs to a certain level, then leave the rest up to the DJ to adjust as necessary
"...... then Serato said to Marie 'How dare you call me fake! You bitch'. Then Serato used his disc/disk and cut her hair off!...."
seriously though... auto gain would be good to try and get low level songs to a certain level, then leave the rest up to the DJ to adjust as necessary
Adion
3:36 PM - 2 June, 2005
I think Automatic Gain or not has not much to do with talent or 'real dj'ing' in the same way as a lot of other automated features.
I think all these features just leave dj's with more time to be actually creative.
Also, if you aren't sure how to spell something, just use www.googlefight.com :p
It clearly says that "disc jockey" is used 7 times more than "disk jockey" :)
I think all these features just leave dj's with more time to be actually creative.
Also, if you aren't sure how to spell something, just use www.googlefight.com :p
It clearly says that "disc jockey" is used 7 times more than "disk jockey" :)
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