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Disable the Crossfader on the 57SL

djsteve.com 9:33 PM - 28 January, 2008
Sorry if this question has been addressed...
Can the crossfader on the 57SL be disabled? If so, how?
Thank you All in advanced!
-djsteve
djmoneyd425 9:43 PM - 28 January, 2008
#1) Why would you ever want to do this?

#2) Remove all of the nobs, caps, and screws, remove the two top faceplates (CAREFULLY so as to not disconnect anything else), pull the ribbon cable out of the crossfader, replace the faceplates, screws, caps, and nobs.

#3) This will void your warranty.

#4) You should just learn to use the crossfader.
djsteve.com 9:57 PM - 28 January, 2008
thanks for the tips but just because i rather use the upfader (volume) doesn't mean i don't know how to use the crossfader
Certified Quality Entertainment 10:15 PM - 28 January, 2008
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thanks for the tips but just because i rather use the upfader (volume) doesn't mean i don't know how to use the crossfader


Leave the xfader in the middle.
djsteve.com 4:58 AM - 29 January, 2008
for now, i do center the xcross in the middle but was wondering if there was a formal way of disabling it. Similar to the "thru" setting on other mixers.
djmoneyd425 5:14 AM - 29 January, 2008
not that this point...like i said before, the only way to fully disable your cross fader is to do the steps I listed above.
djsteve.com 5:43 AM - 29 January, 2008
#2 and #3 scares me. Maybe Rane will consider a xfader "bypass" or "thru" function in there next release =)
nik39 11:34 AM - 29 January, 2008
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for now, i do center the xcross in the middle but was wondering if there was a formal way of disabling i

No, there is no way.


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not that this point...like i said before, the only way to fully disable your cross fader is to do the steps I listed above.

That will completely kill the signal, I dont think this is what he wants.
djsteve.com 11:55 PM - 29 January, 2008
I know that some Pioneer and Denon mixers have the "thru" option. Does anyone know if this will be available soon?
DJ Smooth B. 1:28 AM - 30 January, 2008
i couldn't imagine, this would be the first battle-mixer with a disabled crossfader....
djsteve.com 3:08 AM - 30 January, 2008
figured since they added effects and video, might as well add more functionalities
The Infamous OJ 7:19 PM - 30 January, 2008
Just duct tape the crossfader to the middle. Disabling a Rane crossfader isn't "adding more functionalities," It's dumbing down your mixer.
nik39 7:26 PM - 30 January, 2008
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Just duct tape the crossfader to the middle.

Uh... the easiest ideas are probably the best :)
DJ_X_Trodinaire 1:45 AM - 31 January, 2008
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Just duct tape the crossfader to the middle.

Uh... the easiest ideas are probably the best :)

and messy!
djsteve.com 4:01 AM - 31 January, 2008
I'm surprise the 57sl does not have a "thru" function. The mixer has almost every functionality a DJ could ever want or think of, except this one...
Might as well add it
nobspangle 6:07 PM - 4 February, 2008
I'm not sure the fader needs a disable. If you set it to full cut there is plenty of margin for knocking the fader whilst doing other stuff without affecting the sound.
I guess there's no reason it couldn't be added though, as a software option.
dj krisp 12:58 AM - 5 February, 2008
now why would you wanna do a stupid thing like disabling the xfader!
djmoneyd425 1:13 AM - 5 February, 2008
be careful...saying things like that^^^ will seriously hurt people's feelings around here.
djsteve.com 1:16 AM - 5 February, 2008
funny dj money! haha!
Same reason why Pioneer added that option in their mixers. It's just a suggestion.
dj krisp 1:40 AM - 5 February, 2008
my bad i dont want to hurt anyones feeling but a mixer without a fader just dont make any sense to me
djsteve.com 1:59 AM - 5 February, 2008
nowadays, i just mix one song to the next, no scratching, no tricks, just simple match and fade over. So whenever i do that with the xfader, i noticed that some songs are louder than others. Therefore i started disabling the xfader and got into the habit of mixing with the upfaders. That way i can control the volume or sound level easier. No big deal, just a suggestion.
dj krisp 2:02 AM - 5 February, 2008
you could disconnect the fader by opening the mixer and unhooking it
djsteve.com 2:06 AM - 5 February, 2008
so i was told but i think that will void my warranty...
oh well, no worries.
nik39 2:42 AM - 5 February, 2008
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you could disconnect the fader by opening the mixer and unhooking it

Read above, this will not work.
dj krisp 3:06 AM - 5 February, 2008
i don't know how that would void your warranty but it does work if you believe just try it out it wont break your mixer...
djmoneyd425 4:02 AM - 5 February, 2008
Nik, unless there's something that I'm misunderstanding about your first post you're actually wrong about the signal being killed completely when disconnecting the Xfader cable.. With the Xfader unhooked djsteve will be able to achieve exactly what he wants...at least on a V1 TTM57SL. My Xfader has actually worked itself loose from regular use several times and the only functionality I lost was the ability to kill the signal with the Xfader. The signal to the channel/volume/upfaders both still functioned normally. I know the buttons and fader tabs have changed in the V2 TTM57, but I don't think the fader cable hookups have.

Steve, this procedure will technically void your warranty because you must remove the lower faceplate to do so, but is an incredibly simple process and should not actually cause you any issues with Rane should something else go wrong with your mixer. It's not like you're snapping solder connections or anything. This is obviously an at-your-own-risk situation though. I actually blew all of my faders but plugging them in backwards after disconnecting them all to clean them...I called Rane, dropped off my mixer, and had it back the next day with all brand new faders and didn't get charged a dime...even after I told them in detail everything I'd done. Yes it was my fault, yes this was my experience and yours could be different but they've got incredible customer service and are very easy going about warranties with the 57s.
djsteve.com 4:35 AM - 5 February, 2008
Thanks all, I can mix with or without the fader. So if and when the "thru" function becomes available then cool, if not, it's cool as well.
Thanks again!
nik39 2:01 PM - 5 February, 2008
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Nik, unless there's something that I'm misunderstanding about your first post you're actually wrong about the signal being killed completely when disconnecting the Xfader cable.

Did you read that there are people posting that suddenly there is suddenly no sound coming out of the mixer anymore? The advice is to check the ribbon cable which goes to the fader...

And my assumption was that you are going to remove this cable.

If you are talking about the actual crossfader cable, I also think that removing this will more likely cause one channel to be dead. But.. now that you are bringing this up, I am not sure anymore. Gotta try out at home.
djmoneyd425 9:24 PM - 5 February, 2008
i'm curious to hear your results...
nobspangle 10:32 PM - 6 February, 2008
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Steve, this procedure will technically void your warranty because you must remove the lower faceplate to do so,

This won't void your warranty, if you check the manual you will find instructions on removing the faders for cleaning.
I would be surprised if removing the fader stopped the sound, it may depend on the location of the fader when removed.
djmoneyd425 12:26 AM - 7 February, 2008
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This won't void your warranty, if you check the manual you will find instructions on removing the faders for cleaning.


that's what I always thought but I thought one of the mods showed evidence otherwise on the thread about the B1-B6 buttons...?
nik39 1:37 AM - 7 February, 2008
djmoney, removing the upper part of the cover (not the faceplate where the line/crossfader sit) will void the warranty.
djmoneyd425 4:28 AM - 7 February, 2008
tell that to nobspangle
nobspangle 8:26 AM - 7 February, 2008
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tell that to nobspangle

We're talking about removing the crossfader. You can remove the crossfader without voiding your warranty as it only involves opening the faceplate. You can't remove the top cover of the mixer which is required to properly clean the B1-B6 buttons.
nik39 2:07 PM - 7 February, 2008
nobspangle, I can't remember, but is there a cable/plug on the fader side of the crossfader, or only on the mixers main PCB?
The Infamous OJ 3:59 PM - 7 February, 2008
nik39, there's a ribbon connector on the fader itself.
nobspangle 6:15 PM - 7 February, 2008
From the manual page 46
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For more effective cleaning and lubrication, follow the directions outlined below:
1. Required Tool: #1 Philips screwdriver
2. Disconnect the power.
3. Remove knobs from controls covered by the Lexan faceplate.
4. Remove the four, 4-40 screws attaching the Lexan faceplate.
5. Remove the Lexan faceplate. See the picture and instructions below. The rails of the fader are now accessible for normal cleaning and
lubrication.
6. Remove fader from mixer if more thorough cleaning is required.
7. NOTE: Do not disturb the position of the small sensors at each end of the Fader. If you do, make sure the parts are standing straight before reinstalling.
8. NOTE: In order to achieve the highest possible accuracy, each magnetic fader is factory calibrated for the location in which it was shipped. If you remove the faders for cleaning, make sure you mark them. This helps you to put them back in the correct location.
9. Remove the fader by removing the two #4 screws securing it. Then disconnect the ribbon cable.
10. Sugary liquids spilled into a fader may be removed by thoroughly rinsing the part in hot water. Make sure the part is clean and dry before lubricating or reinstalling.
11. Removal of grease or other stubborn debris may require alcohol or contact cleaner. Make sure the part is clean and dry before lubricating or reinstalling.
12. To reassemble, reverse the disassembly procedure.
13. Problems? Contact Rane Corporation customer service at 425-355-6000.
nik39 10:39 PM - 7 February, 2008
Uh... ribbon cable means something different than I thought it would. Thanks guys.
TweekThe12' 1:20 AM - 15 February, 2008
come on RANE hook it up with the firmware we need for fader adjustments!
DJ_X_Trodinaire 2:35 AM - 15 February, 2008
^^ could that be possible to disable the CF?
djmoneyd425 9:07 AM - 15 February, 2008
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^^ could that be possible to disable the CF?


again

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#1) Why would you ever want to do this?

#2) Remove all of the nobs, caps, and screws, remove the two top faceplates (CAREFULLY so as to not disconnect anything else), pull the ribbon cable out of the crossfader, replace the faceplates, screws, caps, and nobs.

#3)

#4) You should just learn to use the crossfader.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:06 PM - 15 February, 2008
for house music, i prefer the up faders.
djmoneyd425 10:02 PM - 15 February, 2008
word...like i said, #2 will make this happen.
djboogieSF 2:16 AM - 16 February, 2008
ive done that to my vestax 07 and my rane 56. Its not supposed to void your warranty.
nobspangle 8:50 AM - 16 February, 2008
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ive done that to my vestax 07 and my rane 56. Its not supposed to void your warranty.

Totally, seeing as crossfaders are user replaceable parts it would be a bit shit if your warranty was void as soon as the crossfader was removed.
BattleFunk 5:24 PM - 17 February, 2008
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figured since they added effects and video, might as well add more functionalities


this is the kind of thing that has stopped us receiving the previously advertised features.

can we get multitrack recording sorted first please?

i thought pioneer have a 'thru' option because they are multi channel? if you have no 'thru' you cant mix with more than 2 channels at a time as the xfader cuts off the signal to the other channels. there is no need for a 'thru' option with a 2 channel mixer. use some tape or set it to sharp.