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Voted Best UI Design

djxatl 6:41 PM - 12 October, 2005
Really random but i nominated SSL for best UI in my User Interface Design class here at Georgia Tech, and the class gave it the most votes!! (and i got 5 points extra credit)
Revolutionary 7:39 PM - 12 October, 2005
Nice, man :D
djxatl 12:02 AM - 13 October, 2005
my professor totally digs the UI design, i had to give a presentation on why i nominated it etc, evaluating it from a professional programmers/engineering psychologist standpoint SSL is really top notch

ok nerd mode off :-P
nikolozi 1:31 AM - 13 October, 2005
agree, the SSL UI is awesome.. Simple yet powerful, very intuitive and usable...
boabmatic 1:59 PM - 13 October, 2005
yeah all the reviews complain about the wave forms going verticaly but I think it makes more sense....

i.e. move your record hand up and the waveform moves up on the screen.. and vice versa... genius .. and more logical i think...
BassChamber 2:18 PM - 13 October, 2005
sorry, i dont like it. i agree its easy to use and learning curve is very short but... it needs a LOT of improvements, IMHO.
djratedrde 2:31 PM - 13 October, 2005
I kind of agree with BassChamber in the fact that when u play a record the needle goes across the vinyl not up and down. I don't know if anyone follows me on this but I would like to see the wave going in a horizontal pattern rather than vertical, needless to say SSL is the *ish mos definitely
Konix 3:02 PM - 13 October, 2005
Man, I think the multicolored verticle waveforms are the most ingenius idea of the GUI. SSL with horizontal waveforms? This is how it would look.....

www.geocities.com

which I guess doesn't look to bad either. Maybe in future versions you will be able to select either verticle or horizontal waveforms from the set-up menu.
DeezNotes 3:24 PM - 13 October, 2005
Now that I see what it would look like vertically, it reminds me of audio editing programs. That's why some don't like it vertical! I still think that vertical makes more sense for DJing. Maybe the option to switch between vertical and horizontal in a new version?!?!?

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Man, I think the multicolored verticle waveforms are the most ingenius idea of the GUI. SSL with horizontal waveforms? This is how it would look.....

www.geocities.com

which I guess doesn't look to bad either. Maybe in future versions you will be able to select either verticle or horizontal waveforms from the set-up menu.
bush 4:16 PM - 13 October, 2005
I like the ui, even the vertical waveforms. Its the colours im not too fond of.
Doc Brown 4:17 PM - 13 October, 2005
Just my two cents: I think the waveforms should be kept verticle but should be longer and about 50% wider
majorp 4:35 PM - 13 October, 2005
i think horizontal waveforms look too confusing, which why serato chose vertical i reckon...
djxatl 6:14 PM - 13 October, 2005
i agree, its a lot easier to relate each waveform to its respective deck when when they are vertical, theres no subconcious way to do that with horizontal waveforms
nikolozi 7:03 PM - 13 October, 2005
vertical waveforms feel natural to me... but being able to switch could be a good idea, since so many of you want it horizontal...

For those of you who like them horizontal, how would you place the horizontal waveforms? Like Konix suggested? The waveforms are side by side in the picture, but it's not easy to see which waveform is for which deck, hence doesn't feel too natural.
BassChamber 9:46 PM - 13 October, 2005
im not against the vertical partial waveforms, i really like it. but there are other GUI aspects i dont like at all...
Revolutionary 5:07 AM - 14 October, 2005
Like what???
BassChamber 9:45 AM - 14 October, 2005
ok, ill make a list with fiew points:

1- too tiny overall waveform overviews.

2- lot of space wasted because of the spinning displays excessive size.

3- fixed GUI (ill prefer a modular one, you know).

4- too dark colored layout. (dark and black are a mind-depressive colors)

5- inefficient internal mode control buttons layout (you have to move the mouse pointer a lot when internal mode mixing).

6- rude and unpolished graphics look (for example the track name display and the spinning displays, they look like being developed with microsoft paint!).

but like i said, the GUI has important advantages, it is simple and easy to use for people that do not want to mess with added features. but it can be vastly improved, IMHO.
nik39 2:24 PM - 14 October, 2005
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4- too dark colored layout. (dark and black are a mind-depressive colors)

In a club environment these colors are better (a lot better for your eyes)! But I think it needs more contrasts between some elements as they are simply not distinguishable on laptop screens (for example, I almost cant see the small minute markers behind the overall overview). Also you have to consider that colors are not easy to read as not all laptop displays have displays which can be read from any angle and view.
brooster 4:39 PM - 14 October, 2005
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ok, ill make a list with fiew points:

1- too tiny overall waveform overviews.



Not on my 17" screen its not - you can adjust the size of the moving display so that it shows more of the wave if you wish.


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2- lot of space wasted because of the spinning displays excessive size.


Yeah it is kinda big but its honestlly not that bad

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3- fixed GUI (ill prefer a modular one, you know).


No....please Nooooo. The fixed GUI is what gives SSL the professional look. Unlike FS or Traktor, you can close screens by mistake and this just doesnt look as good

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4- too dark colored layout. (dark and black are a mind-depressive colors)

The colours are fine (might be due to the fact im colour blind !!) I agree with nik39, in a club the muted colours are perfect, anyway, should you not be looking at the people more than the screen (they are nicer to look at)

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5- inefficient internal mode control buttons layout (you have to move the mouse pointer a lot when internal mode mixing).


Agree 100%

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6- rude and unpolished graphics look (for example the track name display and the spinning displays, they look like being developed with microsoft paint!).


Its not THAT BAD is it ? It's simple and that's the beauty of it. Ok maybe it could do with a little tidy up but it doesn't detract from the program on the whole.
nik39 4:42 PM - 14 October, 2005
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1- too tiny overall waveform overviews.

Not on my 17" screen its not - you can adjust the size of the moving display so that it shows more of the wave if you wish.

Its funny, on my 17" its the opposite! The waveoverviews are smaller (due to the higher resolution) compared to my 12" and 15" laptops.
majorp 4:50 PM - 14 October, 2005
i like the unpolished ms paint looking graphics, i dont know why though......
BassChamber 9:58 AM - 15 October, 2005
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1 - Not on my 17" screen its not - you can adjust the size of the moving display so that it shows more of the wave if you wish


the overall wave overview should be bigger in any screen. when you set the laptop a bit far from the mixer/ttables (as usually happens in live situations), its really hard to watch the overall waves properly. zooming the partial view is another different issue and cant replace the use of overall wave views.

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2- Yeah it is kinda big but its honestlly not that bad


the more feature are added to SSL, the more GUI space it will be needed. and i think we will start to suffer lack of GUI space soon... look at the GUI, the spinning displays area eat 30% of the screen! smaller displays would not spoil it performance and would be more efficient.

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3 -No....please Nooooo. The fixed GUI is what gives SSL the professional look. Unlike FS or Traktor, you can close screens by mistake and this just doesnt look as good


i think the opposite :P have you ever really closed a screen by mistake with Traktor???? anyways, just design the GUI with the module show/hide controls at the very top, where they not interfere with the rest of the GUI controls.

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4- The colours are fine (might be due to the fact im colour blind !!) I agree with nik39, in a club the muted colours are perfect, anyway, should you not be looking at the people more than the screen (they are nicer to look at)


after a year using SSL everyday at home, im starting to feel tired about looking the SSL darkness, sometimes it kills the "magic" of the music... its a subjective feeling though. maybe its my fault because, at home, i set the screen in front of my face but... really, sometimes i would like to turn off the screen and let the music flow with my mind, and think about different colors. each song makes me think about something, and watching SSL sometimes kills this magic. nah, im a bit paranoid.

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6 -Its not THAT BAD is it ? It's simple and that's the beauty of it. Ok maybe it could do with a little tidy up but it doesn't detract from the program on the whole.


i agree with the simplicity thing, but some details have to be polished. for example, the gain leds and knobs were polished in 1.4 update. i would like to see more improvements like those, specially with track name area and spinning displays to make SSL GUI closer to look like a hardware controller.
JohnDP1 2:13 PM - 15 October, 2005
Basschamber, i agree with you an all counts...really we need a better interface.
DeezNotes 2:39 AM - 17 October, 2005
The main things that bother me are:

The scrollbars. The section that shows how much room you have to scroll is very hard to see. I think the overall problem is the contrast between the greys and blacks. I like the colors, but I think the lighter shades of black should be more grey so we can distiguish the blacks from the not-so-blacks.

The inside of the "circle things." I think the fact that Serato can show the actual pitch and (best of all) adjusted BPM is great. What I don't like is that those numbers are the smallest numbers in the GUI, but are some of the most helpful. I just wish those numbers were bigger and/or easier to read.