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SmashVidz switched to credits - who is best now?

BigDookie 2:42 AM - 10 April, 2012
I can't deal with this "credits" bs. Who is a better option for quality vidz? Im using my 12" right now and I'm not exactly in love... no santorum
marx 5:48 AM - 10 April, 2012
So I'd like to jump in and see if we can you straightened out. At the very least I would like to make sure that you understand how the system works as some are a little confused. I tried looking up your username but can't find you that way. If you'd prefer to pm your info to me that will work to, or if you decide not to procede all together that's also ok. I just want to make sure before you make the jump you understand the system.

As for your question, I honestly believe we're in our own league as far as what content we bring to the table, how we deliver it and the quality it yields. You cannot find one place to replace us. We're just getting started and have many things planned so this trend is only going to grow. I hope we can get you on the same page with us.

On another note we're always a phone call away with any questions you may have if you don't feel like posting or waiting for replies.
djnak 6:57 AM - 10 April, 2012
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I honestly believe we're in our own league as far as what content we bring to the table, how we deliver it and the quality it yields. You cannot find one place to replace us. .

he is not bragging either just stating the facts... quality wise I have seen many fail some come close but no one has been able to compete with smash.

the credit system kinda sucks for video hoarders who like myself used to d/l everything just to have it, no you just have to be a bit more picky and leave tracks you know you will never play

Its a little more work previewing videos but you GAIN so much more knowledge of whats in your crates by having to take a quick look before d/ling you might even find some bangers you would have normally looked over before
DJMark 7:32 AM - 10 April, 2012
I'm finding the credits (compared to the old way, having subscribed to SV for almost 3 years now) is just changing *when* I preview stuff. It was a bit of an adjustment (made a lot easier now with the longer previews than what the SV/VJ-Pro partnership started with).

The quality difference between SV and my2inch should be really obvious and last I checked the "far inferior" service was actually more expensive (plus they charged extra for terribly-encoded back-catalog stuff, including files with skips, interlacing and bad edits).

The main thing I'm missing with "the new SV" is the quantity of the remixes...something I hope is included in the "growth" and "things planned" that Marx referred to. I'm guessing that getting the labels all onboard with that will take some effort.
BigDookie 1:49 PM - 10 April, 2012
hey marx,

my smashvidz username is different than this serato name and also my account hasnt ben active in awhile.

do please help me understand the credit thing... because this is how I see it. My account hasnt been active in a few months so I cam behind on a lot of videos. with the credits system, I pay around $60/month and get 20 credits... and each video is worth 1.50 credits correct? thats about 13 videos a month i can download.

now again, since I am behind on videos, I will need to download a lot of old videos and I am SURE i am missing more than 13 videos, so i essentially won't be able to catch up.

and ALSO, i play 4-5 different genres on a given night, so I def will need more than 13 videos a month to stay updated.

i did not reference your pricing page as i typed this post so forgive me if i am way off base.
DJRemixEnt 3:04 PM - 10 April, 2012
your best bet would be to buy the 249.99 package which gives you 500 credits (.50 cents ea)

if your gonna stick with them for a long time, it's worth it to buy in bulk, because you save in the long run... also like everyone else says... it's just like back in the day when you had to hand pick thru vinyl at the record store... preview and pick wisely.

i would also suggest subscribing to xtendamix, becasue they get alot of the same newer content... if your one of those hoarders then just download everything from xtendamix and once a week check on Smashvision to download the stuff that xtendamix didnt put out. that should save you quite a few credits.
marx 3:41 PM - 10 April, 2012
RemixEnt is right, for the amount of videos you would like to download the Library package is your best bet. The credits you purchase roll over and never expire. You can even lapse your account (like you currently did with Smash) and when you come back your credits will be waiting for you. You just need to have a active account to access them. You have two options to be a active member, $20 a month or $100 a year, this will give you access to your credits and many unnamed perks that are coming VERY soon.

Let me explain how our unique credit system works, this is even outlined in our tutorial video on smashvidz.com (please take 10 minutes to watch). One credit basically gives you access to ALL mixes for that one song. So once you download a Single, all other mixes i.e.: Xtendz, Snipz, Clean, Dirty etc will be free and won't cost ANY additional credits. So this means for ONE credit you can get on a average 6 versions of that video. Just like when you bought a record from the store, most versions of that song were on that one record.

@Nak, please be patient, soon you will have more remixes then you will know what to do with. Honestly there hasn't really been that many that are worth doing. It's pure coincidence that we're in a dry spell during the time of this merger. I've never got into the habit of doing a track or remix just to do it. I'd rather skip the fillers and focus on content you as a dj can actually use. This is a perfect example of why this merger will benefit all of us as there is a lot of content we now have access to that no one else does. MisterE said it best, "to many people are just looking inside the store, not even thinking about whats in the stock room" :)

BigDookie, it also nice now that you will have access to much more content as you play 4-5 genres a night. I hope this helps, ask away if you have anything else you would like me to touch on.
DJRemixEnt 4:02 PM - 10 April, 2012
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$100 a year, this will give you access to your credits and many unnamed perks


im on it, like white on rice in a styrofoam cup on a dixe plate in a snow storm!
DJRemixEnt 4:14 PM - 10 April, 2012
i wouldnt be mad if you guys did a lifetime membership deal!!!.... lol... i'm just sayin!
Rick Hodgkins 4:28 PM - 10 April, 2012
It is a lifetime membership, we just pay monthly or yearly...lol
DJRemixEnt 4:32 PM - 10 April, 2012
^^ aint that the truth...lmao
djpuma_gemini 4:37 PM - 10 April, 2012
Yeah if you look at it from the lowest credit perspective it looks high, but if you go for the $249 package, which sounds like a lot, but the credits don't expire, so say you get the big package, download only 100 vids in a month and then go on a 6 month hiatus from djing. You come back, pay your monthly fee and you still have 400 credits to use and catch up or just get the new stuff.

This also helps us as dj's from being what I call a digital hoarder.
I used to download it all and would end up scrolling for my life to find the next song to play, the credit system helps you to be more selective of what you will download and play, which is how it was back in the day. I know you didn't bring 1000's of records to gigs and even if you have 1000's of videos you barely play 100 or 150 a night and if you're a club dj you don't need to bring or have 1000's of 80s videos on hand.
BigDookie 4:46 PM - 10 April, 2012
bahh, i wouldnt call myself a horader, but i do prefer abundance to scarcity.

how much is extendamix a month, its not outlined on their site from what i see.
DJRemixEnt 4:51 PM - 10 April, 2012
you can call and do the 300/year deal... gives you 300 credits a month and 2 free months.

only thing about Xtendamix... each download is worth a credit:

extended clean + single clean + extended dirty + single dirty = 4 credits

with smashvision:

extended clean + single clean + extended dirty + single dirty = 1 credit

it's worth it to subscribe to them both... you def cant go wrong.
VJ Justin Allen 6:04 PM - 10 April, 2012
Well to be fair it only costs $35.00 per month for 300 credits at XtendaMix, so that cost is only 11 1/2 cents per credit. Using your example 4 credits at XtendaMix is .46 cents and Smash is, at best, .50 cents PLUS $20.00 per month.

A savings of 4 cents per song! Plus the $20.00 fee.
BigDookie 7:24 PM - 10 April, 2012
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Well to be fair it only costs $35.00 per month for 300 credits at XtendaMix, so that cost is only 11 1/2 cents per credit. Using your example 4 credits at XtendaMix is .46 cents and Smash is, at best, .50 cents PLUS $20.00 per month.

A savings of 4 cents per song! Plus the $20.00 fee.


well put.
Maskrider 7:41 PM - 10 April, 2012
If I ever get more gigs doing Video I'll definitely subscribe at Smashvidz but for now I'm Happy with Xtendamix. I've heard a lot of good stories here about those Guys it's a working Dj's Video paradise......lol
DJRemixEnt 8:56 PM - 10 April, 2012
I just auditioned @ a club about an hour ago and the owner was amazed at the clarity and the visual effects on the flat screens....big Thanx to serato, mix emergency, xtendamix and smash vision.... I just got another weekly gig! Money well spent!
djpuma_gemini 9:00 PM - 10 April, 2012
^congrats
DJRemixEnt 9:26 PM - 10 April, 2012
Thanx puma
nik39 7:33 PM - 11 April, 2012
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You have two options to be a active member, $20 a month or $100 a year, this will give you access to your credits

Hey marx,

is this a new price/package ($100 a year)?
marx 7:53 PM - 11 April, 2012
Yes, but hasn't been added to our system yet. As soon as it is it will be made available.
skinnyguy 8:05 PM - 11 April, 2012
what happens if you have a bunch of credits left but stop your montly for a while...and come back? do you retain your credits or are they lost once you stop?
marx 8:16 PM - 11 April, 2012
Credits rollover and NEVER expire. So when you come back they will be waiting for you.
popnwave 8:19 PM - 11 April, 2012
The ability to "park" your account like that is nice.
MAD_COWBOY 8:22 PM - 11 April, 2012
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xtendamix

Where is the option to pay $100.00 for the year as I pay $19.95 monthly member fee??
DJRemixEnt 8:28 PM - 11 April, 2012
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hasn't been added to our system yet. As soon as it is it will be made available.
tomatoslice 9:09 PM - 11 April, 2012
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SmashVidz switched to credits - who is best now?


to answer that specific question, as far as quality, depth of videos, and dj friendliness, Smash is still the best.
BigDookie 9:24 PM - 11 April, 2012
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SmashVidz switched to credits - who is best now?


to answer that specific question, as far as quality, depth of videos, and dj friendliness, Smash is still the best.


the pricing scheme is asinine.
DJ Sound Technique 9:42 PM - 11 April, 2012
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You have two options to be a active member, $20 a month or $100 a year, this will give you access to your credits

Hey marx,

is this a new price/package ($100 a year)?


Marx - This is better but still not great. When will this be available? I may consider sticking it out another year....You need to break some shit out of the "Vault" so your long term subscribers see that you really have something more to offer. I am seeing a lot of filler garbage in the recent releases.....
marx 9:54 PM - 11 April, 2012
Will be made available soon, we will send out a e-mail blast once its implemented.

Programming wise fillers maybe for you but not to others. You will be seeing plenty from the vault, trust me, I didn't start doing this yesterday I'd hope you would have a little more confidence in us.
DJRemixEnt 2:13 AM - 12 April, 2012
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the pricing scheme is asinine.


trust me it seems like it @ first... but once you break it down, it's not bad at all. like i said earlier...buy in bulk, get the bigger/cheaper credit packages... in the long run your not spending alot.

and the monthly membership @ 100/yr, that's a hell of a deal... that's over 50% off. $250 credit package plus $100 membership, if you choose your vidz right, that could easily last you a year, if not, damn near close to it. that's only $350 a yr. vs. $127x4 which came out to $508/yr... thats a $158 dollar difference.

that $158 could easily go to more credits if needed.
DJ Sound Technique 3:22 AM - 12 April, 2012
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Will be made available soon, we will send out a e-mail blast once its implemented.

Programming wise fillers maybe for you but not to others. You will be seeing plenty from the vault, trust me, I didn't start doing this yesterday I'd hope you would have a little more confidence in us.

Marx I have been with smash for 3 years or so, the stuff posted as of recent are not near as hot as of recent. I have been in this buis a long long time, been in record pools since the 80s and know filler when I see it. I am holding out hope that you guys are going to let some fire loose both new and old, time will tell
DJ Sound Technique 3:25 AM - 12 April, 2012
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the pricing scheme is asinine.


trust me it seems like it @ first... but once you break it down, it's not bad at all. like i said earlier...buy in bulk, get the bigger/cheaper credit packages... in the long run your not spending alot.

and the monthly membership @ 100/yr, that's a hell of a deal... that's over 50% off. $250 credit package plus $100 membership, if you choose your vidz right, that could easily last you a year, if not, damn near close to it. that's only $350 a yr. vs. $127x4 which came out to $508/yr... thats a $158 dollar difference.

that $158 could easily go to more credits if needed.


This change to the $100 per year is the only thing that convinced me to stay for another year, again, thumbs up for this now lets see some of what all the talk is about!
skinnyguy 4:10 AM - 12 April, 2012
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Where is the option to pay $100.00 for the year as I pay $19.95 monthly member fee??



*waiting for this*
marx 4:46 AM - 12 April, 2012
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Will be made available soon, we will send out a e-mail blast once its implemented.

Programming wise fillers maybe for you but not to others. You will be seeing plenty from the vault, trust me, I didn't start doing this yesterday I'd hope you would have a little more confidence in us.

Marx I have been with smash for 3 years or so, the stuff posted as of recent are not near as hot as of recent. I have been in this buis a long long time, been in record pools since the 80s and know filler when I see it. I am holding out hope that you guys are going to let some fire loose both new and old, time will tell


Again filler for you. You also have to remember we promote records for the labels so of course your not going to like it all, being apart of record pools you know this already. I can tell you I've been very consistent in programming. I personally can't release music, we have to pick what is delivered to the industry a whole. The only main difference between now and before is now we have more genres.

It's really hard to judge any music during the first part of the year up to March, the industry is just dead. Its just now picking up, but it always dies at the end of the year and remains dead til mid March. It's all a matter of opinion, but if I have been programming since day one, then you should know the music is different not the product.

I'd be curious to know what you call filler, just for my own reference. BUT the great thing about the credits system is your not paying for it if you don't want it, it doesn't hurt you by being a member. I believe we bring enough to the table to have a active membership.

Also coming soon, a artist spotlight section where labels can promote up and coming artist and these videos will not cost any credits.
cadencemp3 4:56 AM - 12 April, 2012
xtendamix has great songs but as far as hip hop...that is relevant now....not so much so i would get both cause sv has way more new songs earier
phatbob 10:26 AM - 12 April, 2012
I'm not gonna blame Smash for the dearth of good music lately. I've got very little real fire from any pool or promo company in recent weeks.

I'm not sure how it works with urban music but in dance ('EDM') terms the time between Miami WMC and the Ibiza summer season is always a dry time of the year.
DJRemixEnt 10:31 AM - 12 April, 2012
xtendamix is great for the all around dj who does mobile gigs along with clubs and bars.

i usually pick up alot of mobile work during the spring and summer, and i primarily use my xtendamix folder because of the classic rock and country and beach music.

now if your only doing clubs and bars... you could definately get away with rolling with SmashVision only.
popnwave 1:18 PM - 12 April, 2012
It's a small slice of the market, but one area I will still have to do my own supplementation with is the indie-pop stuff that doesn't get much love from the pools until months down the road.
djpuma_gemini 2:57 PM - 12 April, 2012
yeah gotta use dropbox for indie shit. haha
or edit it yourself, but I did see some indie stuff pop up on smash lately, I mean it's old stuff, but they're "catching up" so to speak.
Steve Dub. 8:32 PM - 12 April, 2012
YES! More Indie Dance please. I've had to get so much stuff from youtube because the pools don't have it.
marx 9:07 PM - 12 April, 2012
hit me up on e-mail with these requests
Steve Dub. 9:09 PM - 12 April, 2012
It's not any specific request Marx. Just more of the genre please.
Joshua Carl 9:17 PM - 12 April, 2012
they (VDJ Industry folk) had been saying for years the days of the instant library were coming to an end.

and truth be told, for the new guys, by no one's fault but time... they kinda missed the boat
on that window to bulk up and build a solid foundation of a video database for short money.

so, those days have come to an end.
and as labels get more and more involved that pay to play rate will only go higher.

so, get in while u can, bulk up.
Ill still never get it. even at the most lo-balling you should be getting 200 a night
work 2 nights a week, and you are talking 1600 a month.

why are these amounts so ghastly to so many people?
oh, cause they are used to getting everything for free, or next to free.
in what world can u get something for free, and turn around and yeild an instant profit
from NON-distribution...
getting paid for simply owning the content and showing it with style.
djpuma_gemini 10:32 PM - 12 April, 2012
^I'm so glad about this.
The real nice thing is this right here:
Remember before smash was smashvision and some new jack would ask where to get vids and we'd say Smash or Xtendamix, US or Canada.

Well, if they went to smash, they could buy their membership and download all the back stuff they had, even the old crap from the old school wrong format days (we all did it) and be up and running a few weeks if they worked the bandwidth hard enough.
Now, they can buy 500 credits and get 500 different videos, (different versions, not single/extended etc)

That is what I love right now, Xtendamix has been doing this longer, but now that Smash is as well it makes it much harder for new guys to just buy a one month membership and fill up their crates. They'll have to spend tons of money or wait a long time to get going and by then hopefully it will weed out the ones that got that gig at a bar next week with video for $50 and a tab.
djpuma_gemini 10:33 PM - 12 April, 2012
Oh, I'm so glad I started with video in 08, granted those vids sucked ass and a few are still lingering around, but I'd hate to just get into it now.
Steve Dub. 10:37 PM - 12 April, 2012
Or they can just buy hard drives full of vidz from the assholes on this site that sell them.
Joshua Carl 11:04 PM - 12 April, 2012
Ive had 3 people in the last week tell me how "a friend" gave them a 2tb HD of videos.
Joshua Carl 11:04 PM - 12 April, 2012
HD = of
djpuma_gemini 11:29 PM - 12 April, 2012
assholes
DJ Sound Technique 2:27 AM - 13 April, 2012
If people think that because services like smash have really gone legit now with a fully licensed library that people are all the sudden gonna say okay and the bottom feeders are going to start paying the price, you are crazy..... That is like the music industry saying that .mp3 would never hurt the industry or chasing Napster instead of figuring out a way to exploit the h u g e captive audience with a business model that worked for the industry and the consumers. It will be interesting to see what the future holds... But just like Josh and others mentioned above, there are plenty of dirtbags selling loaded drives with all of our hard work on them, but after being in the game for 25+ years you could give my hard drive to any of these bottom feeder assholes, meet me at the gig with the same drive and I would spank your ass when it is time to get down to business. Having the library and knowing what to do with it are two entirely different things!
DJ Sound Technique 2:30 AM - 13 April, 2012
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Will be made available soon, we will send out a e-mail blast once its implemented.

Programming wise fillers maybe for you but not to others. You will be seeing plenty from the vault, trust me, I didn't start doing this yesterday I'd hope you would have a little more confidence in us.

Marx I have been with smash for 3 years or so, the stuff posted as of recent are not near as hot as of recent. I have been in this buis a long long time, been in record pools since the 80s and know filler when I see it. I am holding out hope that you guys are going to let some fire loose both new and old, time will tell


Again filler for you. You also have to remember we promote records for the labels so of course your not going to like it all, being apart of record pools you know this already. I can tell you I've been very consistent in programming. I personally can't release music, we have to pick what is delivered to the industry a whole. The only main difference between now and before is now we have more genres.

It's really hard to judge any music during the first part of the year up to March, the industry is just dead. Its just now picking up, but it always dies at the end of the year and remains dead til mid March. It's all a matter of opinion, but if I have been programming since day one, then you should know the music is different not the product.

I'd be curious to know what you call filler, just for my own reference. BUT the great thing about the credits system is your not paying for it if you don't want it, it doesn't hurt you by being a member. I believe we bring enough to the table to have a active membership.

Also coming soon, a artist spotlight section where labels can promote up and coming artist and these videos will not cost any credits.



Marx
If you really want me to go though and make a list of the "filler" I will try to do it this weekend. I get it, like I said, I have been in pools for years, I have seen the filler and I have seen more of it on smash as of recent. Do us a favor and "fill" the slow times with some classic shit from the vault!
marx 4:20 AM - 13 April, 2012
There's plenty of reasons for everything. If someone likes our service I would think they would be happy to know that we're not going anywhere for a very long time, if ever. Your not gonna visit the site one day and it not be accessible or taken over because of some new internet bill passed. The whole industry is continuously changing and you have to evolve with it, the promo game is not what it used to be.

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Marx
If you really want me to go though and make a list of the "filler" I will try to do it this weekend. I get it, like I said, I have been in pools for years, I have seen the filler and I have seen more of it on smash as of recent. Do us a favor and "fill" the slow times with some classic shit from the vault!


We can go go back and forth here, its all a matter of opinion. I'm the first person to NOT add filler tracks, so I would fight this to the end, I know what I program and I don't say to myself "we need to add X amount of tracks". I'm just curious to know what you call filler for feedback purposes. Tracks that bubble in the South are gonna be a filler for you in Cali and vice versa, you have to take that into consideration. Also tracks that you would open up with in Cali, your not gonna open up with in the South or up North for that matter. Maybe that's what you call filler, and again which most likely will be in the artist spotlight section.

Many classics to come, we have just started! It's barely been a month, patience my friend.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:14 PM - 13 April, 2012
^truth
3LMO 10:59 PM - 13 April, 2012
Who is best now? well IMO it was SmashVidz..but they are no longer around :(
The way the sight was laid out WORKED, for some reason I think it is less user friendly now.
The member fee and package fee..is rubbish, a flat fee would be nice..
Or why not pay per track, no member fee...Crooklyn is pay per track..it works for them!
If its a legal issue with the record labels, figure something out....Itunes did :)

Also why are they uploading songs like Deadmau5 Ghosts and stuff as a new release?


I sure a lot of paying people are going to give it a chance, and I'm sure a few have already said no...and the free members will will never complain:)

A few people I have talked to have also ordered this along with the membership fee
www.cheaplubes.com

I'm just saying this is how some people feel :)
djpuma_gemini 11:14 PM - 13 April, 2012
They're reupping old stuff and probably with better source material.
itunes just has single videos adn that's it, you can't compare the two.

Crooklyn, is well how can you say it, Not Legal, so they can do what they want for now.
DJRemixEnt 11:17 PM - 13 April, 2012
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popnwave 11:30 PM - 13 April, 2012
Not sure how some of you (complaining about cost) would have survived before the net allowed you to download everything... The sense of entitlement is so pervasive in our culture it's scary! You wonder why older DJs scoff at the younger generation, it's not because you don't own the skills to be a great performer, it's because you don't appreciate your own product when you can get it too easily.
marx 11:36 PM - 13 April, 2012
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Also why are they uploading songs like Deadmau5 Ghosts and stuff as a new release?


This has been mentioned a couple of times, we're redoing old videos that had the old chyron that was at 100% opacity. All those videos are not available on vj-pro, so we're posting them as we redo them. They can't just be replaced as they're not on the site, it also doesn't make sense to throw them way in the back as some people would like to update there video to the new one.

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The way the sight was laid out WORKED, for some reason I think it is less user friendly now.


I understand your point of view, and the site will be evolving. We made the decision to start from the ground up rather then to build on top of it. Once you guys see all the new features that we will be implementing I believe it will make sense. The planned features were just not possible with the engine we had in place before.

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The member fee and package fee..is rubbish, a flat fee would be nice..If its a legal issue with the record labels, figure something out....Itunes did :)


So you would prefer to only pay 1.99 per credit? Seriously?
Millz 12:05 AM - 14 April, 2012
Sometimes it may help to do the math before posting on public forums :)
RapMaRz 9:50 AM - 14 April, 2012
Check it.

My two CENTS...
The Credit System on SV was a bummer to hear, but its looking good so far (i still have lots of credits left from my Diamond Pack. The Credit system is no big issue now.

Now for the layout of the site. Needs work. I was a big FAN of the way SV had their old site and it was so attractive looking and easy on the eyes.
The Preview Window would also pop out inside the current window, which was nice. Previewing songs was quick and easy, loaded very fast. Im the type that likes to scrub ahead to listen to the track more but with this new system it has a lag and delay. I don't mind that we cant preview the whole vid, but the lag needs some work.

other then that ive been a SV fan and going to continue to be a SV Fan with VJ Pro.
and thats my 2 CENTS.

WHAT UP MISTER E!!!!!

PS: Customer SERVICE with SV/VJ PRO..........AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Steve Dub. 3:53 PM - 14 April, 2012
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My two CENTS...
The Credit System on SV was a bummer to hear, but its looking good so far (i still have lots of credits left from my Diamond Pack. The Credit system is no big issue now.

Now for the layout of the site. Needs work. I was a big FAN of the way SV had their old site and it was so attractive looking and easy on the eyes.
The Preview Window would also pop out inside the current window, which was nice. Previewing songs was quick and easy, loaded very fast. Im the type that likes to scrub ahead to listen to the track more but with this new system it has a lag and delay. I don't mind that we cant preview the whole vid, but the lag needs some work.

other then that ive been a SV fan and going to continue to be a SV Fan with VJ Pro.
and thats my 2 CENTS.

WHAT UP MISTER E!!!!!

PS: Customer SERVICE with SV/VJ PRO..........AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!! :D


Agreed.
tomatoslice 6:12 PM - 14 April, 2012
when the $100 for a year kicks, it would be foolish not to do it.
skinnyguy 7:36 PM - 14 April, 2012
how long before that kicks in?
djnak 7:39 PM - 14 April, 2012
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when the $100 for a year kicks, it would be foolish not to do it.

YES When? I have to reup right now, my first month expired.....I would much rather drop the 100 bucks then another 20 for the month
marx 7:45 PM - 14 April, 2012
By the end of next week, along with some other tweaks.

Nak hit me on email
DJMark 8:35 PM - 14 April, 2012
Glad to see the 100/yearly thing available.
DJMisterE 10:38 PM - 14 April, 2012
A little bell has been ringing in my damn ears about this thread so I thought I'd take a break from talking to labels and getting more NEW videos to chime in. :-D

Hello to all and really want to express from the whole company how much we appreciate your feedback... positive & negative.

We're always working hard to make the service the best it can be!! With that statement I must follow up with Marx's continuance from repetitive posts that "There are many new features on the way!!" Please be patient with us on this. Merging into VJ-Pro is a delicate process with many regulations, protocols and guidelines. Not to mention time consuming.

In regards to the filler comment: I've been keeping a very close eye on the Downloads and my weekly conversations with my network of Video DJs from all over and there hasn't been any notable negative feedback. In fact I've received many great comments about the addition of more general market house music on one side. The other large form of feedback has been revolving around the addition of Country videos with tools attached.

Only thing I want to touch on with pricing is exactly what Marx said "You'd rather pay $1.99 per credit?" Come on guys take a step back and put this into your cerebellum "Do you really think that these videos are being gathered, processed, edited, encoded, tagged, rendered, uploaded, tracked, reported by 1 person?? We're a company and one that is doing things the way the industry we operate in demands. This costs $$ and won't come for free. So if you want the best the be willing to pay for it. Otherwise just go back to Audio."

Now on to my favorite post response -- INDIE DANCE
**This is one of my favorite categories of recent years. The problem with this genre in regards to video is the majority of artists are on indie labels which haven't quite gotten used to the music video promotion angle. I'm constantly reaching out to these folks but the return is a long road, much like the extended journey I had with the record labels in the beginning. So please (A) be patient with the expansion of this genre (B) know that I AM working on adding more and more (C) know that Smashvision listens to it's members & even to those who aren't..

Your Voice Is What Drives Us To Continue To Evolve.

Have a great weekend!
TrueWind 11:25 PM - 14 April, 2012
I am a current member of XtendaMix and I am very satisfied... However the latin genre list is Greatly lacking... I have been / am interested in joining smash for latin genres... but the lack of Xtendz has kept me away for now.... is there a way that a significant amount of Latin Xtendz Versions could be added?
DJRemixEnt 11:48 PM - 14 April, 2012
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This costs $$ and won't come for free. So if you want the best the be willing to pay for it. Otherwise just go back to Audio."


preach brotha!!!
3LMO 6:34 PM - 15 April, 2012
This is just the silver package, yes they have others!
The break down: "Silver Package 20 Credits $29.99 (only $1.50 ea.)"
Now lets add in the " Base Subscription Fee of $19.99"

So we have
29.99 + 19.99= $49.98 , for 20 credits correct? And yes I do understand credits roll over, but are unable to use them..until the " Base Subscription Fee of $19.99" is paid.

So correct me if I'm wrong that would be $2.49 a credit...with the included "" Base Subscription Fee of $19.99""

MARX: thanks for the info on redoing some of the vidz, I did see that some time ago..and did not think :)

To be fair and honest we can't compare Vj-pro to Itunes.
It's like trying to compare Wal-Mart to Quickie Mart, Itunes moves some numbers!

But they do have a flat fee for each track, (video and audio) and yes the videos are lame..blahh!
That is not the point I'm trying to make, the point is...it is a flat fee..

I'm not trying to bash anyone so please people don't blow a tampon, I'm just saying things that IMO could make things better.

You guys have always done a GREAT job, and are always on top of things via the forums!

Technology has changed the Dj biz so much, the day of me having mom drive me to the local record store since I was to young to drive...... is no longer.
The way we obtain music/videos is faster and more efficient with the help of sites like Smash/Beatport...etc. Keep up the good work.

Smash is asking for our input on things...so don't jump on each others back when they are just providing an opinion, the good.. bad... fat and ugly.

And to be honest I have been typing to long and this girl in my bed wants me to bang her like a screen door in a hurricane....So I got to go!
AustinG 2:33 PM - 17 April, 2012
Sounds like a scam to me, like SV's getting greedy or got bought out but the guys get to keep their jobs.. IDK something's not right. Fuck the credit system, I'm good with Club Killers for now.
djpuma_gemini 2:46 PM - 17 April, 2012
Well when you merge with a power house like VJ-Pro and become completely legit things will change.

You can't expect to pay the same thing from before.
The credit system is genius IMHO. It keeps the overnight dj's from acquiring 1000's of videos and trying to dj in clubs. It also keeps everyone from filling their drives up with 1000's of videos.
Now you have to pick and choose and actually listen/watch the video before you download, you don't have to, but if you only have a few credits left, you want to make them count.
DJRemixEnt 3:02 PM - 17 April, 2012
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Sounds like a scam to me,


conspiracy theorist...lol
3LMO 4:07 PM - 17 April, 2012
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Sounds like a scam to me,


conspiracy theorist...lol



lol
AustinG 4:57 PM - 17 April, 2012
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Well when you merge with a power house like VJ-Pro and become completely legit things will change.

You can't expect to pay the same thing from before.
The credit system is genius IMHO. It keeps the overnight dj's from acquiring 1000's of videos and trying to dj in clubs. It also keeps everyone from filling their drives up with 1000's of videos.
Now you have to pick and choose and actually listen/watch the video before you download, you don't have to, but if you only have a few credits left, you want to make them count.


I do that anyways. I still don't want a limit though.
marx 6:14 PM - 17 April, 2012
Are you a member or have you ever been a member Austin?
AustinG 6:34 PM - 17 April, 2012
A friend of mine is, I've seen the entire collection up to about a year ago and played on his laptop a couple times. I met SV's Jack Millz through him (who is a SICK dj by the way). I'm pretty familiar with the collection and know the quality. Club Killers quality is very good too.
marx 7:08 PM - 17 April, 2012
Well thank you for your input, but you have no experience using our product to even give a opinion. Twice you mentioned another product.

Thanks for playing though :)
popnwave 7:32 PM - 17 April, 2012
Are we talking about the same clubkillers.com that has had the same placeholder front page and no update for almost a year? You do know who does that....? A lot of private torrent trackers and other sites that want to give off the aura of not being in business to keep industry attack dogs off their ass.
DJRemixEnt 9:11 PM - 17 April, 2012
seems like ppl just want somethin to bitch about...

in all fairness you cant knock something untill u try it.
djpuma_gemini 11:31 PM - 17 April, 2012
ck was ok. I know I used to do some edits for them, but nowhere near the content of smash.
skinnyguy 1:12 AM - 18 April, 2012
oh c'mon, we used to pay $6 for a single and twice as much for imports of that hard to find domestic....$1 ain't shit for a legit, quality video.


....if you're a working dj.
popnwave 1:23 AM - 18 April, 2012
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oh c'mon, we used to pay $6 for a single and twice as much for imports of that hard to find domestic....$1 ain't shit for a legit, quality video.


....if you're a working dj.


That was a generation that had a physical copy of something. People devalue data/1s and 0s.

Could you imagine someone selling 20,000 songs on CDs or vinyl for $150-200 bucks back in the day?
DJRemixEnt 11:48 AM - 18 April, 2012
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....if you're a working dj.


thats prolly the common denominator in all the pricing complaints
AustinG 12:19 PM - 18 April, 2012
Not at all Remix, money isn't a problem over here. All I'm saying is that I agree with dude above, the credit system is wack for ANY pool. Again, to answer the OP's question and get back on topic - DJcity, CK, and DMS are what I prefer. Check them out, no credits - dl til your heart is content.
VJ Justin Allen 12:33 PM - 18 April, 2012
After using the new service since the changeover I would like to offer my thoughts so far.

1) I have only downloaded 5-6 songs since the switchover. XtendaMix has been doing a great job of getting me what I need.

2) Paying $20.00 just to access you account is screwed up. So far the selection has not been there, therefore whatever credits I have are not being used. Now that my initial account changeover has expired I am being told I need to pay $20.00 just to look at the clips. Really...I need to pay just to LOOK at the clips?

Change is always difficult and should be made for good reasons. I'll assume that they had to make this change, or else go out of business. However change that offers less service than before is never good.Ad yes, I am sure someone will say "wait...good change is coming"

You can lose a lot of customers before you get to the "good" part of change. I would hurry up if I were you.
VJ Justin Allen 12:35 PM - 18 April, 2012
Let me amend item #2. I was not logged in so I could not see the clips...once I logged in I could see them. My apologies.

I still think the $20.00 account fee is screwed up however. Especially on top of the credit fee.
DJRemixEnt 1:01 PM - 18 April, 2012
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the credit system is wack for ANY pool


everybody has to make money... if that's the way they make money, then so be it...

i took full advantage of the situation by explaining to my venue owners/managers that the pricing system has changed with the video pool and ive up'd my fee by $25/night... thats an extra $300/month... i also went up $25/hr with my mobile gigs....so im not losing out on anything

if you honestly feel you are spending more with the new credit system, then pass the expenses on to your customer... you see this all the time with corporations when gas prices go up... they dont bitch to exxon or shell... they just raise the price of their product to cover the higher fuel costs.

SV is offering a 100/yr membership...thats $8.33/month...
y wouldnt you jump on that????

but honestly are you spending that much more than before??? i broke it down before, ill break it down again:

old way: 127x4= $508
new way: ($249.99x2) +$100= $600 that is a whopping $92... is it really that bad???

and if you use your credits wisely you could prolly end up spending less.
Rick Hodgkins 1:05 PM - 18 April, 2012
Don't forget that the membership fee includes 5 downloads including all available variations.
Still better than a monthly disc with 12 keepers and the rest filler you'll never play.

Nobody is going to tell you that the minimum package is the best one imo.
But if you want to try it without a big commitment, its an option.

I would strongly recommend this if you want to voice an opinion.
VJ Justin Allen 1:07 PM - 18 April, 2012
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I would strongly recommend this if you want to voice an opinion.


Now you have to pay before you can voice an opinion?
Millz 1:07 PM - 18 April, 2012
If anyone listened to you, they would be broke and smoking crack by the weekend.
Rick Hodgkins 1:13 PM - 18 April, 2012
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I would strongly recommend this if you want to voice an opinion.


Now you have to pay before you can voice an opinion?


Well put it this way, if you subscribed to a regular music service, it would be a yearly sub end of story.
djpuma_gemini 2:13 PM - 18 April, 2012
In a year from now you will be thankful there is a credit system.

And why does Millz always look so zen in his avatar.
Millz 2:46 PM - 18 April, 2012
"Danked out Chinaman"
djpuma_gemini 3:24 PM - 18 April, 2012
haha nice.
Taipanic 6:24 PM - 18 April, 2012
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, the credit system is wack for ANY pool.


Smash, and almost all the others, is not a Pool - it is a service.
A Pool receives only new tracks from some big names but mostly breaking artists. Your $75-100 month would get you anywhere from 50-100 tracks, most of which would be crap. You are required to listen to and fill out feedback for every track you get.
A Service provides both new and old tracks. No track feedback is usually required, but sometimes they will ask for certain tracks to be rated. You pay for the service and decide which tracks you want.
Here is a record pool:
www.dancekings.com
tomatoslice 6:42 PM - 18 April, 2012
people comparing sites to dms, ck and djcity.
are those sites legal? probably not.
will they be here as long as smash and vj-pro? probably not.
your money and the site is not guaranteed to be there when you wake up tomorrow with many other sites.
plus, they are not video sites. ck has video but it has no depth.


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I still think the $20.00 account fee is screwed up however. Especially on top of the credit fee.


excuse me but doesn't Xtendamix have an account fee as well?
VJ Justin Allen 6:52 PM - 18 April, 2012
They do have an account fee but no credits. It's a one fee for x-amount of downloads.
tomatoslice 6:55 PM - 18 April, 2012
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They do have an account fee but no credits. It's a one fee for x-amount of downloads.



not according to what i just saw and not when i had an account.
tomatoslice 6:56 PM - 18 April, 2012
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Here is a record pool:
www.dancekings.com


speaking of dixiedancekings,
i have a vhs tape that i watched the other day from like 92 or 94 of one of their mobile dj competitions. everyone is wearing some funky tux. it's flipping hilarious.
the first dj alone is worth the watch. i can't tell if it's a guy or a girl.

plus, 2ndNature is in it.
he has some girl in a crazy tux handing him records and dancing around. his set is good considering how crazy the equipment is setup.

and at some points of the video the crowd is yelling "Roonie, Roonie, ROONIE!!" and he's not even in the competition. he's just there and people are yelling for him.

someday i will rip it to youtube.
Rick Hodgkins 6:57 PM - 18 April, 2012
Great if you are Canadian, are they a legal source?
tomatoslice 6:59 PM - 18 April, 2012
i am just going to start an Xtendamix thread.
VJ Justin Allen 7:06 PM - 18 April, 2012
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Great if you are Canadian, are they a legal source?


They are, and have been for years.
tomatoslice 7:10 PM - 18 April, 2012
ah nm. idc enough to start a new thread.

yes, they are legal Rick.

i know xtendamix has a credit system and a fee.
because i have accidentally ONLY purchased credits without a sub and they were kind enough to kick in my dloads. however, after a period of time, even when i still had dloads, my ability to do so was removed.
Xtendamix 8:02 PM - 18 April, 2012
We have membership fees which starts at $35.00 per month which comes with credits. You can't just buy credits, you need an account. We are legit and for Canadian subscribers only and pay a portion of your membership fees to the record labels. The unused credits expire at the end of the month. If you have any other questions, let me know
tomatoslice 8:16 PM - 18 April, 2012
ok. NOW i will start a new thread.
marx 2:36 AM - 19 April, 2012
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when the $100 for a year kicks, it would be foolish not to do it.

YES When? I have to reup right now, my first month expired.....I would much rather drop the 100 bucks then another 20 for the month


The $100 / year option is now available:

www.vj-pro.com

If you don't see it listed this simply means your account is still active.

This option will cover your membership dues for the entire year. All you have to do is purchase credits that NEVER expire. Remember one credits unlocks ALL tools for that track!

The new Library Package is only $250 and comes with 500 credits! That's an average of 2000 videos when you download different versions :-)
djnak 3:17 AM - 19 April, 2012
I was just gonna shot you an email asking to hook this up a bit early for me... guess Im good now lol
skinnyguy 10:13 AM - 19 April, 2012
it's available now?


ooooooooooooooooooooooh....

gonna sign up soon....
DJRemixEnt 11:04 AM - 19 April, 2012
somebody's prolly still gonna find somethin to bitch about...lol
LJ_WOOLSEY 2:05 PM - 19 April, 2012
erm something wrong when trying to pay with paypal it just says the amount is $0.00
Think something is going wrong please have a looksy.
marx 2:35 PM - 19 April, 2012
Thanks for the heads up, forwarding to Dev now.

I think it's just a web page error, I bet if you continue the correct amount will be deducted. But will be fixed shortly.
LJ_WOOLSEY 2:38 PM - 19 April, 2012
nope even in paypal it says $0.00 but yes it may have given me a year for free. but i'm not that harsh lol. did send an e-mail to ya.
marx 3:12 PM - 19 April, 2012
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nope even in paypal it says $0.00 but yes it may have given me a year for free. but i'm not that harsh lol. did send an e-mail to ya.


ok thanks, good thing it doesn't activate you lol.
skinnyguy 8:50 PM - 19 April, 2012
free year?!?!? oooh...
Doug Howard 8:57 PM - 19 April, 2012
...oh, and btw... Happy "Holiday" everybody. Check your emails. We have a 24 hour promo code running.
Steve Dub. 9:03 PM - 19 April, 2012
No e-mail here. What's the promo?
Doug Howard 9:05 PM - 19 April, 2012
Check your PM
skinnyguy 9:06 PM - 19 April, 2012
what? darn, i didn't sign up anywhere yet...
mle 9:09 PM - 19 April, 2012
Just bought 500 credits for $199 :P
Can we renew on the $100/year membership before our membership expires? Just want to set it up for auto-renew so I don't have to deal with it later...
Doug Howard 9:13 PM - 19 April, 2012
That feature is now functional as well. If you have any issues, call us. We are always here.
marx 9:14 PM - 19 April, 2012
Can't setup yearly renewal. But one time a year, renew :-)
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Just bought 500 credits for $199 :P
Can we renew on the $100/year membership before our membership expires? Just want to set it up for auto-renew so I don't have to deal with it later...


You can't setup auto year renewal. But one time a year, renew :-)
Steve Dub. 9:17 PM - 19 April, 2012
Still not able to sign up for the $100 plan. Showing up as $0.
Doug Howard 9:21 PM - 19 April, 2012
Steve..... give a call into the number on the site. I want to check your OS and browser, and I'll also run you manually and set you up.
Steve Dub. 9:23 PM - 19 April, 2012
Can't do that. I'm at work right now.
Doug Howard 9:25 PM - 19 April, 2012
I'll be on the desk late. Try when you can. No worries, I won't let you miss out.
marx 9:26 PM - 19 April, 2012
Steve try now, I logged in with your account and was able to get it to come up. We had some intermittent problems, we're working them out now.
popnwave 9:27 PM - 19 April, 2012
I'll have to take advantage of the yearly reup after next paycheck.
Steve Dub. 10:42 PM - 19 April, 2012
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Steve try now, I logged in with your account and was able to get it to come up. We had some intermittent problems, we're working them out now.


All is good now. Thanks guys.
nik39 10:46 PM - 19 April, 2012
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No e-mail here. What's the promo?

Hm.. No promo mail either here :(
djpuma_gemini 11:00 PM - 19 April, 2012
thanks I got mine too.
djpuma_gemini 11:01 PM - 19 April, 2012
you guys are awesome.
Doug Howard 11:06 PM - 19 April, 2012
Nik.... check your PM's.
VJ Justin Allen 11:45 PM - 19 April, 2012
Can you add the release date to your columns. The date added is good but it's hard to tell if it's a new song, or an older one.
DJRemixEnt 11:49 PM - 19 April, 2012
didnt get the promo email either
marx 12:17 AM - 20 April, 2012
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Can you add the release date to your columns. The date added is good but it's hard to tell if it's a new song, or an older one.


yup its on the list, the old model of the site is laid out as disc series. All this will be addressed soon.
VJ Justin Allen 12:36 AM - 20 April, 2012
Thanks Marx
DJMisterE 12:40 AM - 20 April, 2012
BOOM!!! Wheeling & Dealing!! Take Advantage Of These Amazing Deals While They Last!! HURRY HURRY HURRY....... (moster truck rally voice)
djpuma_gemini 1:01 AM - 20 April, 2012
^Sunday Sunday Sunday.
VJ Justin Allen 1:03 AM - 20 April, 2012
We'll sell you the whole seat but you'll only use the edge!
Doug Howard 1:08 AM - 20 April, 2012
Remix, check your PM's.
nik39 1:39 AM - 20 April, 2012
How long will the deal be valid from now on?
marx 1:47 AM - 20 April, 2012
midnight tomorrow 4/20 (eastern)
nik39 1:54 AM - 20 April, 2012
Purrfect. Thanks for the info!
phatbob 1:56 AM - 20 April, 2012
My membership is up for renewal in a few days, am I going to be able to do that via PayPal? Can't see an option at the moment, only option is to buy credits.
Steve Dub. 1:57 AM - 20 April, 2012
Damnit I just bought a bunch of throwbacks and went to delete the old ones I had from smashvidz and they looks and sound exactly the same. What a waste :(
marx 1:59 AM - 20 April, 2012
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My membership is up for renewal in a few days, am I going to be able to do that via PayPal? Can't see an option at the moment, only option is to buy credits.


Yes you can use Paypal, if you have any problems please let us know.
marx 2:03 AM - 20 April, 2012
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Damnit I just bought a bunch of throwbacks and went to delete the old ones I had from smashvidz and they looks and sound exactly the same. What a waste :(


hmm, can't answer the question without details...like what tracks.

But Steve, seriously you can simply just hit us up directly with a issues like this. We can handle it very easily, its not that big of a deal.
djpuma_gemini 3:46 AM - 20 April, 2012
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Damnit I just bought a bunch of throwbacks and went to delete the old ones I had from smashvidz and they looks and sound exactly the same. What a waste :(

Only difference on some tracks are the chryons, If I have the old very white and big chryon I will replace the vid with the new one.
DJMisterE 9:12 PM - 23 April, 2012
As a special thank you to everyone who has been giving nothing short of tremendous support during this time of transition to VJ-Pro.com, We've decided w/ a little help from our friends at Mix Emergency to give away a FREE Custom Smashvision Transition To Everyone! The link is posted on our homepage www.smashvision.com in the Ad Section. You should check this page very frequently! Lots of new and exciting things will happen here first!