Here's a Link to my Youtube Video showing the benefits of SLV vs. VDJ. I hope it will be of some help to everyone. I love this program!


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nice vid man, i'm a little surprised you transcoded your divx to h.264 when you still have your original vobs from the promo only express dvds.

Great video,,,Thanks djsteel

Oh no I know I think I said that wrong I just re-encoded the vob. files. I thought that might confuse people.

Oh no, I know, I think I said that wrong I just re-encoded the vob. files. I thought that might confuse people.

Damn internet! sorry about the duplicate post.

Good stuff.

Nice Vid Konix, I'm not getting that type of performance on Mac Book (no pro) that is within the official specs of video SL. Is that because you have a full version?

yea, nice info... good look

+1

Great Vid.....said the same thing in your other thread...lol

Great video! Just curious if you're on the PromOnly payroll?!?!? (But seriously, PromoOnly provides good product!)

Nice vid,

I do agree that there are a few more possibilites in V-SL cos of its architecture and the tie-ins between the mixer and software. I also think when its released it will be the best option for me.

However there are a few inaccuracy's in what you said about VDJ. First and foremost is you complaining that you can't chirp that fast with VDJ (I totally disagree, VDJ's timecode tracking matches serato's pound for pound and I the absolute most locates position allot faster). The problem with VDJ is that you do have to mess around quite abit to get latency as low as 2ms but it is very easily achievable with abit of persavierance (this is down to having compatibility with other sound cards, it needs the extra options for different cards) thats what is nice about serato, plugin and go.

Also the fade to black can be achieved with a specific plugin loaded onto the vid transition part where you can set up the midi on channel faders to effect opacity param's on left and right channel. But that plugin in is not commercially available yet on there downloads.

But in VDJ's corner they have the SDK for that so anyone who knows even a smalll amount about programming (there is extensive resources on how to make plugins for VDJ)... So that means potential scope for all in one plugins, leaves V-SL a little in the dark.

I'm kinda inpartial as I use both progs for live stuff... A hybrid of the two would be awsome.

One other HUGE thing that VDJ has aswell is DMX compatibility. Which may not sound like much but it does mean you can full interegrate your vid sets with the lighting rig which is a great feature for timing strobes lazers and different colour lights to reflect the mode of your vid and audio

first off thanks everyone for the positive feedback and yeah MY favorite part about Serato video is the control and simplicity!

2nd Yes i do demos for Promo Only once in a while but before I had Express Video I stressed myself out about getting content.

3rd Ikutz all i want to say is I think your nuts bro. first off, that plugin for the fader is only available for PC's not macs and it sucks as bad as the time coding does. Look in the background of my video bro I own:

Virtual DJ
Virtual Vinyl
Ecler Nu04
Pioneer 800
5 different sound cards that supposedly work "better then Serato"

Here is my challenge to you. You say you can cherp like that on virtual dj? I can do sloppy slow cherps. but have never been able to fast cherp.
So make a Youtube video of you fast cherping and prove me wrong! I have a feeling I'm not gonna see one. I don't see if I've tried everything to do it, and can't how your gonna be able to.

Oh and I don't think a DJ program should run lights. that would be like my bartender being the bathroom attendant as well, its weird.

Plus I'm not saying I hate VDJ cause I don't, If I had a wedding tomorrow I'd use VDJ instead of Serato because of the Automix Feature. It's seriously dope and makes that program in my opinion best for mobile djs. Which I have mad respect for. Mobiles are the toughest kind of DJing.

But yeah anyways make me a video, Hit those fast cherps with out the sample moving up on you. It does it with every system I've ever seen. VDJ timecoding is a joke.

First off apologies if my post sounded abit arsey, just read back and its the way I meant to sound, BUT I will accept your chirp challenge.

For this I will use the Seraro SSL box to keep things fair. I aint got my control records with me i'll have to use CDJ's (which as you know isnt the best option for scratching but they will serve purpose). My mixer of choice will be a DJM800. I do prefer my stanton-SK2F but I know you got a problem on the DJM800 so I prove a point. I havn't got my DV cam at mo so I'll have to use my iCam on me macbook and run off my desktop 2.4 duo with 2gig of ram (good spec but not a monster by any means).

WHOOOO! Awesome, I don't hate the 800, I have one. Its cool it doesn't suck at all. I just had to use one all night tonight with e DVJ's and Serato cause its built into the club. But its tough to cherp on an 800. Medium cherps are cool but fast cherps suck. I'm not hating on anyone doing there thing DJing i just know Serato is way better. I can't wait for the video man! let me know when it's ready!

Oh just had to bring up the fact though that YOU"LL BE USING THE SERATO BOX AS YOUR SOUNDCARD! lol I have to give you crap about that.

OK just recorded a lil video and copying it across from maccy now to put into a decent youtube format. I admit hole heartedly that I'm not by any means any way near a DMC standard DJ + I was using CDJ not... That being said I think I did VDJ justice. I'll put up asap

thx man!

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Wasted abit more time on that than I would have liked but...

VirtualDJ of course works as good as SSL regarding latency and video mixing ;)

True, it aint sold with a soundcard package, so one have to choose a good one. (VDJ have a more open support for soundcards, controller and so on, than SSL, and it has it good and bad sides.. of course)


But all respect to what ever one chooses..

The two softwares arent clones, so each one have different aspects one might value higher than the other. So what one chooses is pretty personal.

If one likes Coke or Pepsi, dont really matter.. As long as it relief your thirst ;)

Congrats to SSL for taking on video mixing. This will help push services for DJs regarding getting videos, and clubs to hire video mixing djs.

Most welcome product upgrade, and to get you DJs on the video mixing wagon is a plus...

Make 2008 a great vid mixin year;) hehe

Hi guys,
This was posted on our forums also, and I have to say it is nice that SSL is supporting video for you finally limited or not. By that I mean format and specific hardware.
It was posted as a comparison and its really not, its an infomercial for SSL and PO, but whatever.
I use Express myself btw, and toss more than half of it every week. You get a jump on the tracks sure, but you ain't gonna be scratching no country tracks I suspect, lol. If you want full coverage for scratching I would suggest Urban and Hot Video and tolerate the wait a little bit. It will cost you 1/2 what Express does.

Anyway, a real time comparison would have been fair and informative, I am interested too.

I think the dissing war is silly. SSL has a SELECT user base and VDJ does not.
The features, supported formats and particularly supported hardware leans away from SSL and therefore attracts more djs. The dj market is huge and scratching is only a small portion of it. The SSL dedicated dj is pretty select in his target audience, hardware and software, and that is all good for what he does.

But, remember that the rest of the world moves on while you wait for features to become available such as auto, effects and the list goes on, kind of like the rabbit and the tortoise in a way. Comparison is the best flattery in a way, but to compare fairly has to be feature for feature, pound for pound, and it isn't even close in that video.

So I think the SLL market is dj/style/genre specific and VDJ is not, we support the whole lot more with every format and hardware combination on the planet including the scratch djs.

My gigs are 100% video, and for what I do SSL is not suited at all.
I am loading up jpeg slide shows before and after full of candid shots, using a live feed video camera of the floor, and switching from audio to video to karaoke getting 700 to 1500 per night. I am doing all of this with VDJ and nothing else will do this for me. I do agree with dedicating dmx to a different machine and do so myself. I want both visible at all times. Along the way I can mask content, add video effects to dress up or down dry video action and have sound active visual effects that kick in when I need an audio track there is no video for. I do video gigs in all genres and ages from 6-60 so these tools are essential to me.

See my take as a dj is this, many people scratching is considered an audio effect, and to many party guests gets old quickly.
So to introduce scratched video to the equation is only going to confuse the eye imo. Typically when I mix video, I do a traditional style of beatmix with just the audio and then as the break approaches I will let the video transition using a RANDOM TRANSITION which is automatic. It selects from the 25 or so available transitions to keep it changing up and works excellent.
Believe me, when you are mixing tight, the last thing you want to have to think about is selecting a different transition on top of samples, effects and loops as the break comes up.

Do you think wiki wiki does anything to enhance the video experience?
That remains to be seen I guess, but so far the videos here and there on the net are unimpressive at best. It may be intriguing to djs, but how many GUESTS are gonna get wowed out of their socks all night long? How many are book you because you scratch?
To me its about broad impact/impression and as much as you can deliver.
So before you diss VDJ consider your long term future as a dj, the clock is running.

Peace and Happy Holidays

R

While I disagree with the tone of the post (clock is running... etc. ) I gotta agree with these points.

@nik,
To clarify that a bit...
You guys aren't going to be 25 forever, I am older.
The style of dj you are today will most definitely change over time.

All I am saying is keep that in mind when you marry SSL.
There will come a time when you want and need different things from your software.

VDJ has been dogged for having these kinds of features, but they are supporting the working djs in every style of this business.
And thats what software should be, don't you think?

R

That was funny.

You don't know what I spin, how I spin or how old I am to judge... do you? :)



*coough* marry? This is the wrong movie, mate. I aint marry SSL or any other software. I take what works best for me at any time.



Absolutely. But I don't need all this stuff, it is bloath for me.

All I said was that the "clock is running"-theme is not the right one. Like we're all late in that new game.

@"clock is running"-theme

Rick was reffering to age ;) That the hipster waka waka scrachin wont cut it (no pun! hehe) when you dj at later stages in life, for a mature audience :)

And by no means reffering to SSL adding videos now... after VDJ have had it for 2-3 years. Its MOST welcome that SSL adds video, even GREAT for VDJ and its users. Makes the competition more interesting, and it helps push forwards services we all need, both SSL and VDJ, such as better video subscription deals, video pools, tools, and gigs too.. when video mixing gets more common.

I really hope to see lots of SSL djs start video mixin like champs soon ;)

Congrats to you all for entering the arena, finally someone new around here:)
PCDJ VJ, VDJ, Numark Cue, Numark Virtual Vinyl are all made of VDJ, so about time there is someone else on this turf..

Lets push video mixing and services forwards, from both sides.. no matter what software you choose to use.. :)


Merry Xmas and happy new years, it will be fun to see 2008 evolve

Okay, I misunderstood the "clock is running" part, my bad.


*cough* Our experiences seem to differ.

Yeah, I'm sure there are lots of gigs that one use scratchin, even at more adult settings. I'm not saying Rick is right.. But only poining out his point :)

I'm a "not-that-funky white boy" from Norway, playin house music anways. So I wouldnt know.. hehe

But regardless of genre, age segment or location, I think video mixing is here to stay, and probably be the new thing that most clubs want... and my guess, its gonna be hot for 2008

Thanks for the clarification.

Oh WOW, Look let me start just first off like some of you guys are very sensitive about vdj, Hey Let's get to it! This is Serato's first time out with a video Option and it looks alot stable than Vdj and they been at it for years and still never came close to the performance of video that Dj Steel just displayed. Fine even if Vdj was first they havent done and great leaps with there video program, And lets be honest how many Dj's even use the program? hey throw names if you like but serato has been the big take over. Serato is to djing what Protools is to recording. You know we wouldnt even be having this Little talk if Vdj was awesome, But its not! Im just being real and the real point is that Sl Video is the future. I dont even want to make a comment on that automix comment. Ok boys and girls Lets see in a year who's doing what? Not dissing Vdj but hey they didnt make a product that I would even take to a major club and attempt to play on. My challange, Someone show me a link where vdj Is working not like but better then Sl-video in DJ Steel's performance. Any Takers?

Do you really call that a performance though?
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong one or something.

LOL Performance of the software Num nuts, sos sensitive.

LOL Performance of the software Num nuts, so sensitive.

Sure....

Dj Icy Ice from World Famous Beat Junkies
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VT Jimnastyc
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DJ ROCKID - 4 times Dutch DMC champion and world finalist three years in a row
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And lots more... but wont spam this forum ;)

This one is pretty damn funny and good demo ;) worth a look, even if you hate VDJ ;)

JFB & Beardyman
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Sucked seen them all already! lol sorry come again

Tell you what Keith
You show US a SSL video set with the mic off

Your fingers are twitching btw, it's NUMB not Num

LOl you thanks for the spelling test, But all jokes aside, Be real man, This is the first out the box attempted and its killing it. Ive spent Dollars ok djing since way back, Look kids the proof is when I travel and all the big boys play with da man and thats serato. Vdj bought it! Crashed so many times dont even want to go there, so i feel yu buy something it should work like they say. Feel me?

Show me, tired of the talk mon.
All software can crash, next...

Yes true my friend and I can except that, But the real thing about it is where's the constant crashing is unexceptable. Really! Vdj is a product that I paid for, not Pirated Bought and went and got a big dog computer and it was a nightmare. Is that fair man! lol

This is a forum Just my opinon, and its based off A dj that buys all his hardware+software and after spending all my Bread it should do what it say's, Like I said wait a year and we will see if what im saying holds some weight.

Vdj needs to Get your weight up, and we wouldnt be at this point, Serato would have not got this far if Vdj works so good!

If you would care to, we can get to the bottom of that problem Keith.
For every one problem there are thousands of success stories.
You log into eservice and I will personally get you answers.
It doesn't take a big dog system to do this.
You can check my blog for the system I use.
I run 4 500g sata drives with every track known to mankind in audio, vob and mp3+g
If I though for one millisecond that I was going to crash in front of hundreds of people, do you think I would be using it?

But....where is that video at?

If you would care to, we can get to the bottom of that problem Keith.
For every one problem there are thousands of success stories.
You log into eservice and I will personally get you answers.
It doesn't take a big dog system to do this.
You can check my blog for the system I use.
I run 4 500g sata drives with every track known to mankind in audio, vob and mp3+g
If I though for one millisecond that I was going to crash in front of hundreds of people, do you think I would be using it?

But....where is that video at?

Nothing in the system under your name btw

I like you mp3jrick and I mean that with total Respect, I have used everything under the sun that had to do with djing and software, I personally own Dvj,s and I have Vdj with every bell and whistle you can buy. My point is when you use a product simple is the way, Vdj couldnt make money if it didnt work, but damn im a Dj not a damn beta tester, I want it to work like it says's when I play. Im using Sl-video public demo and it works like a dream, So come on mp3jrick be real if your Vdj works you out some serious time in to do what you need it to do right?

Easy guys ;)

Doesnt matter what you use, as long as it works for YOU :)

Some use Pioneer decks, some use Denons... Some use Numark TTX , some use Technics. '

In the end, your personal experience is what counts, and what you feel work for you..

There are LOTS of super happy VDJ users, and there are lots of SSL happy users too. no doubt about it. I wont bash one or the other, as respect for those who use it. Although I love my Pioneer decks.. lol ;)

Keith,
In this game I consider us all dj/geeks, all of us as a group.
Some have more skills on one side, some lean more towards the other.
Like I said, for every problem there is an answer.
As far as time spent, well lets just say that this technology has a price over conventional format. We all know its worth it.
With respect to making a system work, I use an OEM XP pro and have eliminated the forces of the internet from that machine. I recently loaded a new 750 with Vista and the program and had issues up the wazoo. NON PROGRAM RELATED ISSUES.
So in minutes I had my other drive back in and running like it was before. It has never been wiped or restored either, so to me that indicates a stable os.
No tweaks, no major changes, just power management, hibernate, and windows sound off.
See, the other thing is the talk that goes around.
Pride makes us dj/geeks do, post and say things because of our built in bias.
This is based on the fact that we have spent time mastering our software and will defend it to the death to avoid learning it all over again and perfecting our styles of play all over again to achieve our comfort zones.
I have done this myself, so I know.

I have been burned by betas, I have also had great success with certain versions like 4.3. With every new version there are features worth having too. 5.0 has had its bumps, but the benefits far exceed the failures.
Supporting third party hardware and Vista has been by far the most challenging. The developers here can probably relate to this, at least with Vista. Having dedicated hardware removes much of the trouble that Atomix engages head on because our users want that support. If would be much easier the other way like SSL does it.

So the success of this comes down to correct and current drivers, a healthy os, adequate system specs and even proper cooling. (I was running 1g of ram and just added one more for grins and only for Vista upgrade but didn't need it)
Many time user responsible things can cause problems like not having updated Directx, Windows media player or other third party hardware drivers.
This in turn makes the software look faulty when in fact its not that at all, we run into it all the time.
So this objective is HUGE compared to our competitors who diss Vdj.
I hope this gives reads a little more insight to why things can derail and cause users problems. We always take the hit first, but we always get to the bottom of it too and apology's never seem to become public afterwards.
We also do online worldwide tech support 24-7 in 5 different languages, try managing that objective sometime guys.

But, this isn't about Vdj, where's that video....?
We had a post in our forum that started this shit storm in case anyone was wondering...lol

I feel ya man I have to admit you make some good points mp3jrick and i also agree with dj-in-norway I guess its what makes you comfortable. Im wit it.

Hi I saw these forums for a while I just havent joined this video stuff seems soo next level. I can't wait to try it

i know i have vdj and almost switched to play at my local gigs. but when i thought i had it stable it would crash or it would start making popping and crackling noise and i could not get rid of it. i used the u46dj with no luck, the Hercules and had no luck, the nuo4 was cool but it had problem as well. then i tried the audio 8 from traktor and it still fail on me and i then turned back to ssl and waited on the to produce video and they gave it to us i it works great with my Imac. last thing VDJ don't have a stable MAC version :)

Sorry to hear DjKboogie.
But same goes for SSL.. Although you definitively had more luck with SSL.
Good to hear, you got it working great.

SSL does not have a stable mac video version yet, cause the MAC OS makes that pretty close to impossible, before the new latest OS version last month or so.
(Reason why SSL video been delayed, I'm pretty sure)

But it might not work all good yet.. Both SSL & VDJ will try, but it depends on the OS, unfortunately.
www.scratchlive.net

AS for the drop outs you had with VDJ, well, its a curse that also SSL struggles with, and you know it ;) just read this forum if you dont know it...
Hardware can be hell, and its very hard to make a software that works out of the box for all, with no tweaks (SSL having an advantage as it supports less hardware).

In the end, IF you are a computer DJ, you better know computers.. Well, some are lucky with things working straight out of the box.

For the crackles/pops you had in VDJ, the fix is pretty easy. Auto-latency in VDJ performance tab (yeah, I know, VDJ is not intuitive always)
Its a huge challenge to make computer software that is intuitive and user friendly for all, regardless of computer knowledge..

So far , no doubt SSL is leading there.. :) But as SSL adds features, it will go into VDJ turf. More hardware and features supported, the more potential problems. Sorry guys, thats just life.

And therefore you have LOTS of threads from latest versions where pops, crash, or features right out not work, at this forum too. And more will unfortunately come.

Beeing king of features and hardware support ( or bloat someone else will say..hehe), VDJ has this more than any others. That is true yes ;)
If you want something that has the largest chance of working out of the box, go with the one that has least features. And if you have computer experience, you might try more complex solutions.

i am computer savvy but i could not get to work properly with timecoded vinyl. it was a headache, but some people on your forum have had great success with it. they usually are using some type of controller but not tcv. don't get me wrong VDJ is a potent product but i couldn't get it to work.

I drop kicked my own u46 and coming from esi I expected much more from them although the internal board quality is excellent. Jacked me up once and that was it. Again...non vdj related, 3rd party drivers that suck.
Crackling is a known issue, and another user variable.

We get users who think they know their system better and jack up the performance beyond the reach of their hardware and this happens. So I made the suggestion for a default factory settings that is now in place thankfully.

The Hercules, well what can I say. Funny you would even post on that in this forum being as quality sensitive as users are here about hardware.
I will leave it alone, always been a downfall association that has caused damage to Atomix imo. Again, Rane has been strict in its ways to limit this kind of thing.

Dedicated native support of specific hardware is going to present a much more stable environment without a doubt. 3rd party mappers have broadened the options for users but also complicated things at times as software makes it's changes. It's a catch 22 no matter what you do.

Right now the hot new Denon DN 4500 is causing all kinds of problems with users who bought and now demand native support, and from what I am told the unit isn't 100% Vista compatible. Now who's thinking ahead?
Fine unit, just messed up firmware with a string of revisions to make it work properly. People are pissed at us, but again, it isn't our fault and we take the hit.

As far as the Mac version is coming along, hardware is a factor again to gain the desired results. Development never stops, but duplicating what the PC version has to offer is not an easy task. If it was simple audio with a dedicated sole sound option it would be on par with SSL right now. But our users want more than that, from skins to effects it has to be equal to the pc version or its not good enough. To make it match SSL would be an easy task with out all the hardware variables.

We have plenty of SSL users who test the VDJ waters for these reasons btw, so its pretty obvious that features matter to them as well which is what drives us to fulfill that niche.

Good constructive talk here guys keep it up

r

Since SSL added video, VDJ is going into new ground breaking areas

Here is a sneak preview
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juuuuuuust kidding ;) hehe

From VDJ test lab:
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hehehe... damn!

Nice cuts man. I think the problem most have with VDJ is mixing videos using TCVs on laptops. I can load a few audio only scratch samples and scratch just fine using VDJ. Fast chirps come out pretty good. But when you load 2 videos (on a laptop) and try to do some advanced scratching using TCV, there could be some problems. Video freezes and audio dropouts or hiss/pops are pretty common at good settings. Only way I've found to fix this is to drop the settings a little lower which makes the scratching sound watery or latency is really bad. Most other people who use VDJ in the clubs with good settings use a desktop, rackmount or some sort of mini-tower/htpc. I've been using VDJ for almost a year now just for videos and scratching videos isn't something I can show off with it, just mixing.

Check me out spinning music videos at the club...
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I got a Dell Vostro running VDJ up top, but in case that crashes I have another Dell running Serato on my right side, lol. (I have to move the Pioneer DJM600 to make way for my TTM57)

Nice image D-Twizzle ;) specially the one laptop..hehe. Just kiddin'

Without turning this into a VDJ technical support forum, do you have better luck with SSL video?

You say audio works just fine, but when loading vids you get dropouts etc, and it only works when lowering settings. Reason for that is pretty simple, but harder to fix:

- A pop/crackle (regardless of software) happens when the soundcard runs out of audio data (buffer). The buffer is controller by the latency setting in your soundcard, so lowering performance in VDJ, means you increase latency, hence the pops/crackles are gone.

How to fix? Well reason your soundcard wont get data fast enough (low latency) is because the interupt (IRQs) on your pc is shared with other intense hardware, or some hardware (LAn, Bluetooth, wireless) is taxing your system, or background app doing the same (MSN, anti virus etc). For low latency to work, your soundcard need a steady flow of data, and it gets new data using IRQ ("phone line" to the CPU). My guess, is that your graphic card share IRQ with your soundcard, or USB port (if usb), since you get this only with videos.

Could of course also be the general performance of the PC, and its strongly recommended to have dual core, 2 gigs of ram, and of course a GOOD "gaming" grapgic card with dedicated ram (look at SSL recommended specs for video, its hight too)

BTW, seen some of your video remixes D-Twizzle, they are AWESOME! ;)

Yes, video mixing and scratching is the same as audio when using serato. Although Serato's video transitions are fairly basic.
I don't currently have audio problems with VDJ besides the scratching sound, I was just pointing out common problems that other VDJ users had. It took a bit of tweaking, but my laptop is fairly stable. I disable all the networking hardware in the bios and other hardware in the device manager and have a dedicated OS install with all other services turned off so my OS is very light.

My Dell Vostro has fairly high-end specs.
2Ghz Core2Duo T7300 (this isn't too high, but not too low)
4GB RAM (I know 32bit OS doesn't use it all)
Nvidia 8600GT 256MB Video
Dual Internal HDs, 1 Dedicated to Music/Videos.

Thanks for the feedback. I have a lot of remixes with more heat, I just don't make all of them available online.

Good stuff... ;)

About your PC, it sounds rockin, except I know VDJ have some issues with the Nvidia turbo cache , so if you are still lookin into VDJ, disable that cache using the River tuner drivers.

But guess your days with VDJ are over, if SSL works solid for you now.. hehe

Hold on! I started all this and first i gotta say holy crap Ikutz! I have that same setup but I was never able to cherp or Cherp Flare with it. Hell i bought a lot more stuff then just that setup to try and make VDJ work the way Ikutz does.
IKutz you gotta help me out bro! My video was never made to bash on one program or another. It was made to show my experience with both, which was constantly messing around with Virtual DJ to make it work right (and it never did) . Then simply plugin Serato in and it working for all my needs. I even said in another thread that if I were a Mobile DJ I would most likely be using Virtual DJ more often because of the AutoMix feature.


Anyway I told Ikutz I would take my comment back about not being able to do fast cherps and I will casue not only did he do them he topped it with a Cherp Flare. Nice work bro now you gotta show me what I've been doing wrong with VDJ this whole time, cause I'm on that forum as much as I'm on this one.

I want to say what's up to DJ-in-Norway! Thanks for coming to the dark side for a visit man. I want to know you honest opinion about the future of video. Do you think that Serato will take over VDJ's and Pioneers place as the standard for Video in the future?

STEEL...great video man...can't knock the hustle

Neither will take anyones place really ;) It just makes more choices, that benefits the user...

Ronny G will probably never stop mixing on his Pioneer video decks, even though he has VDJ btw.. But dont think he uses it at gigs.

Coldcut dumped the Pioneer decks, and have gone all VDJ on their gigs.

And you guys most likely go SSL, including your famous acts ;)

Each one have their niche, followers, and features. And in the end, its for the best for the consumers (DJs), as it gives choices ;)


And for the future, all of them, together , will make the future of the video dj better, as more products make market impact, and create the need for video djs, video dj services, video pools and so on...


I'll bet you the new trend for 2008 is club managers asking DJs "Do you mix videos?" ... ;) Its gonna take off.. clubs are getting huge LCD screens used for crap bar commercials or what not, just waiting to get used for video mixing.
And now, the whole hardware and software DJ industry are getting geared towards video mixing, as well as dj friendly video subscriptions.

And very much due to the fact that SSL does video of course.

In the end, the one who benefits, is the DJ... cool video gigs, getting better paid ;) And lookin hot in the booth..

But I did bookmark those threads 1-2 years ago here, where all said "who cares about video", "who cares about midi" , when VDJ added it ;) hehe. Just kidding ;)
SSL adding both, is smart, for all... even for VDJ indirectly. It makes a larger market for all of us to operate in (spesially for the DJ) & competition makes progress for all of us ;)

And for those still on doubt, dont be mad when the club manager says he has to replace you with that new video dj kid that came to him the other week ;)


Serato adding video kinda levels it all out... in the all so famous VDJ vs SSL topic, its now more even. And one can choose the one that one likes most. Most scratch DJs will choose SSL, and most all-round djs might choose VDJ maybe. Both programs have its features..

It will probably mean the end to the "closet" SSL users that use VDJ secretly at video gigs, but that might be for the better ;) hehe

Let me chime in real quick, I do think that The software war over the better platform is on, and it will only make thing better on both sides, But if I had to choose sides, Im running ssl Straight up no holds bar, Vdj looks cool but Im about shit working with out tons on matinence.

Hold on I just noticed what D-Twizzle was talking about. I did my demo the way I would be using the system at the club with my below bare minimum requirements to run the program laptop and Serato. That's it. I'd like to see someone make a video Cherping like that with vinyl, on a mac laptop. I think the CDJ's had a lot to do with it too. Something else I noticed too. Ikutz wasn't using videos.

so Ikutz can you do another one using a laptop with turntables and videos and still pull off the same thing? I'm actually thinking he might be able too. He can scratch!

Your right he wasnt using video not saying its not there, but Id like to see it!

I think some people including me thought it was abit of a bitch at vdj when the title was "Serato V's VDJ". I had a big problem with you saying you absolutely can't do somthing which I then proved you could aswell. That aside you've welcomed the my reply to and taken back whatyou said so anyone who reads this will your big enough to admit when your wrong. I'm also with you on allot of points and from a technical point of you Serato has better scope for video turntablists where as VDJ is for more of a mass market. I can see myself moving too serato video (which I have been vocal about on VDJ forum) aswell but VDJ is a great program it's done exactly what I have wanted. never failed me in a live situation and living in the UK I have done AV show's from here to china with ibiza, russia and spain inbetween.

I will happily share my setting for both mac and pc that I use and give further demos to help.

Hey dj steel whats that Little video interface your using in the video? is that part of the plugin for video?

Well share then pimp, Let us know the setting's lol

Yeah he is really good. I was super impressed with the Cherp flare cause I can do them and they are hard, but he was using a Desktop, CDJ's, and no videos. Not what I was doing. Not close. He also was using the Serato box for his Soundcard. I don't know. Lol

How did we get here.......scratching, no scratching. Generally those who put down something can't do it (key word..generally).

Seeing the video wiggle back in forth is great if not over done....then that goes for anything.

...those youtube guys are not good at video.....2 out of 3 looked as if they were trying it out for the first time. In order to do video one must think in video......mix with a visual eye, along with a trained ear.

The chirp flare thing I love them both.....nice, once again how did we get here. incorporating the chirp in a video mix.....now we're talking.

I think the focus should be Serato video being the best it could be......not doing whatever one else is doing. Putting down other programs won't help anyone. Thanks to both guys for videos, also thanks to the poster for the youtube stuff as well.

Coldcut have being doing video since the dawn of time, if they've been using VDJ then it must work pretty well.
Last time I saw them was just over a year ago and they were still using DVJs. I remember back in the timber days they wrote their own software to do video.

Yapp, you're right about that.. Coldcut always been pioneers of their trade.

They used their own Vjamm software at start, and most of 2006 and early 2007 they used Vjamm and Pioneer DVD players.
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Now they only use VDJ, and that only.. 100% mixed with VDJ;) I should know, been on stage with them ;) hehe. They use alot of video samples, and have lots of cues premade at them, triggering them with trigger midi pads, scratch with timecode and so on.. Two djs on VDJ (turntable, and one on CDJs, plus a trigger man)

They take video mixing to the next level, way ahead of rest of us, just amazing group.. :
www.youtube.com view

(for if doubt, here is a pic I took when on stage with Coldcut : i8.tinypic.com )

Well one can read it in Coldcuts own words:

"This tour we’ve got Virtual Vinyl and we’ve got cables and our laptops and soundcards and that’s allowed the three of us to do the entire show.”

www.inthemix.com.au

so if anyone is in doubt about it working GREAT, look at Coldcut videos and shows ;)

Bad Boy Bill used it way before then.......can we please move forward. Too Funny!!!

Since some dissed Grandmaster Flash here (lol, just kidding), and dont know who Coldcut actually is, they here is a flashback :

www.youtube.com view

Great inspiration for all, to SSL users too.. incorporate video into live shows, with MC rapper etc...

Looks amazing ;)

come on SSL djs... make some nice vids, and push this trend forwards ;)

Just watched the whole thing, much better example of VJ'ing. Hence, there rated #1 in the world......while the other youtube dj clips had no production work done in the studio.....just raw tracks.

You can see the different in the outcome. While Bad Boy Bill hit video, he didn't marry it.....Coldcuts married and made it work. Dame you Bill

Totally agree with you Stearling... mixing video one needs to THINK video.
And most video mixes made (at youtube) arent that great..

The challenge for all of us, is to make more out of it, take the VISUAL element to the mix too, not just mix audio tracks, with video on top.

As you put it so well :
"In order to do video one must think in video......mix with a visual eye, along with a trained ear"

And I bet SSL djs now starting doing videos will help that, as many of the top dogs in the trade use SSL ;)

Lookin forwards to more Coldcuts

dj-in-norway

your comparing apples to oranges

VDJ is out

Serato video isn't

sidenote: Coldcuts are using all the top gear.....all of it

well your sidenote is a compliment then ;) as they are using VDJ ..hehe

I'm sure we'll see lots of SSL video djs in 2008 doin amazin stuff.. Its out january if all goes well

:)

hopefully all my comments are helpful, no other reason to post. They'll have good and bad video from all partys just like any other year....just more of it.

Ok heres why I even Scratched on the video I made. I did the fast Cherps because I've always had a problem with VDJs samples moving around, and scratching was the best way to demonstrate that point. Thats the only reason.

But just so you know I'm approaching Video the same way I do Audio, I'm gonna make full use of every skill I have. Videos in my opinion should be scratched more then normal audio. Scratching is a very entertaining part of what we do if done right. It also can put you in a higher pay scale. I see that most Video DJs really have no concept of Scratching so thats why I want to jump on that! As far as I know I'm one of the first to be able to scratch at this level and also do video. It's a new niche that I plan on filling. To me VDJ Doesn't provide what I need to be able to do that, but thats just my opinion. Not to say that anyone elses opinion is wrong.

By the way I don't care about Coldcut or grandmaster flash I don't consider either of them to be at the forefront of technology when it comes to our industry. Their opinions are irrelevant to me. No disrespect but everything Grandmaster flash did after "Grandmaster Flashes adventures on the wheels of steel" has ben weak at best, now the old guy just swears, yells and scratches badly. I don't know what happened to him he is the reason we are all here right now and no one can ever take that away from him, but he's not good now.

Seriously everyone seems to be upset about which is better, it doesn't really matter either way as long as we are all happy with what we are using. I was simply stating my opinion and preference in the matter. I scratch and like things simple and stable. So I choose Serato. If you like to tinker with your program and equipment and be able to have pretty skins and be able to control your program with a piece of paper then maybe VDJ is better for you.
I only put the video out cause I was excited that I now had succeeded were I had failed before with VDJ. Thats all.

No worries;) And you're absolutely right, what works for YOU is what counts.

Btw, the piece of paper control video was just a joke ;) Hope all got that :)hehe

Steel how did you get avi's to run. i mean what codec you have to download or decoder.

Not that good really, No way near DMC standard (wish I was but Im a couple of years off in terms of what I can do). It was the scratch live box I used I thought it was in shot but it was a little back behind CD-J).

Video doesn't effect the audio latency (as audio priority is first and CPU usage never exceedes 20%)if set up right and I was just demoing the timecode systems effectiveness on low latency scratches. I had to use desktop cos my lappy was being used to record the Vid but I do those scratches out live on my lappy (I won intel's DJ Battle Championship playing off a lappy and VDJ).

As for using CD-s, you know its easier to scratch with vinyl and the tones you can make are sweater so you gotta give me a browny point for that one.

I didn't compress em just uncompressed AVi's pretty simple. What vegas video makes as their AVI's

I don't know about that Ikutz. My experience with VDJ has been that audio was always tighter then video and certain types of video are tighter then other. AVI's seem to be best for me. Where as Mpg lagged. Plus I've always had better luck with the CDjs and VDJ then Turntables.

I have a question then for you too. When I scratch with VDJ the sample changes its original position how do you keep that from happening?

Absolute mode is when VDJ comes into its own especially with CD-J's. And as for video files, encode mpg files with premiere or vegas and set key frames to auto set (you dont get any linkage issues when encoded with these programs as apoosed to other small internet progs). As for resolution if your in a club thats projecting visuals then set the res to (512x384) or if your using TV screens PAL or NTSC standards are fine. Also hardware acceleration helps a shed load. If you like using big AVI files then DV standard is good with a fast HD or raid HD's and they use intraframe compression so the audio and video will always be linked.

I do think Serato's relative mode is better than VDJ's and VDJ will occasionally slide abit in relative mode but if you like relative mode then try smart in VDJ and get the best of both worlds.

I do allot of visuals in clubs aswell as DJ'ing and have had to look at vid codecs indepth. You say that AVI is best for you but what AVI Codec are you using. The .avi extension is just a container for the Codecs. If your still having trouble with mpg files then try an AVI file encoded with Xvid or DivX (mp4 standards)

I'm using Divx right now. Thx for your help bro.

VIDEO-SL is equally good on Windows and Mac OS X - in fact the Mac version was done slightly ahead of the Windows version as we were developing it. If some company tells you Mac OS X cannot do decent video, then they should go and hire some better Mac programmers.

Video is super stable on my 1st gen. MacBook 1.83 Core Duo AND my brand new MacBook Pro. If the full version were available in it's current form I'd be more than comfortable using it.

Yo vito....just a quick question....how much free hard drive space (internal) do u have...I have a feeling because I only have a 5 gigs free that it does not allow enough virtual memory to render the vidz and therefore causing hiccups in the video. ( I have 2gb ram installed)

I assume you're asking about my MacBook, not my MacBook Pro. On my MacBook I have about 10 gigs free... maybe 11 or 9, but right around there. On my Pro I have about 50GB free. I ordered myself a 1TB GTech drive with Firewire 800, it's not in yet, but I'll be storing my videos on there.

Rick, Norway. You guys are something else. While the VDJ might be stable for you, the VAST majority of VDJ users report crashes and glitches that are just not acceptable.

I consider myself one of the more pro VDJ users and the software has NEVER been stable for me. Not ever, and you guys know I've been with VDJ since 1.09 and that's a very long time. I always buy the best equipment and follow all the recommendations and it's STILL not stable software, not with TCV & videos for club use.

Look at your own posts talking about drivers, configuration sliders, settings, service packs and all kinds of other nonsense. I know a LOT, and I do mean a LOT of Serato DJs and "crashes" is never a topic of conversation. I know a handful of VDJ djs and every single one of them experience crashes.

You guys are not Serato users so you have no idea about its stability and how dead simple it is to install and get working, so I'll tell you. It's dead simple. It works. It's stable, and no you don't need a supercomputer either.

I use serato on my crappy little G4 mac with 1.2GB of RAM and I do HUNDREDS of gigs per year and Serato has never crashed on me. Not once. Not ever and that's the god honest truth.

It's cool that you guys come in and stick up for VDJ since you are so closely tied to it, someone has to do it. Maybe the argument would have a little more weight if argued by some of those well known DJs who are supposedly using VDJ for all their gigs.

Most of the pro club DJs I know that are currently using VDJ for club gigs are doing it begrudgingly, very. Nearly all of them say they can't wait for Serato video to be released so they can get off VDJ. Why do you think that it is? Stability. Most of these guys could give two shits about all of these features you guys keep talking about, including myself. Features? I don't care about that stuff. Performance and stability. That's what matters to pro DJs, especially club DJs who grind HARD.

If VDJ continues to try and sell people on features and not performance and stability, they'll continue to miss what I consider a VERY important market, that is the pro DJs working clubs in US. May not be the most lucrative but I guess that depends on how you slice it. Obviously Rane/Serato have tapped into that. They've got guys buying $500 soundcards and $1500 mixers by the truckload.

Don't even get me started on the Mac version. I purchased my iMac in Jan 2007 SPECIFICALLY for video DJing with virtual DJ. A few days away from Jan 2008 now and I still don't have a Mac version I can gig with.

So again, I appreciate you guys coming and sticking up for your baby. I just hope people don't get the wrong idea about the rosy VDJ picture you guys paint. Fact is the software has NEVER been stable for me. Not ever. The day that it is, I'll stop writing stuff like that.

Thanks Vito....Im working to clear some space on my MacBook Pro, Im at about 8gb free....Its so hard to find stuff to delete on a mac, since so many things are buried.....

Just a hint, look for applications that install language packs, if you don't need extra languages that is. That'll clear up 2-3 gigs easily. Worst case scenario is to go to a local mac store or service center and get a bigger hard drive installed. It may cost a few hundred bucks but will save you having to buy a new computer.

Amen, a-swift, amen.

Thanks Vito...Ill try the free route first but then most likely drop a 250 in here (much better than the 80, I have now)

Well sorry to hear that A-Swift.. I do wonder why you post the oposite at VDJ forums though



But sorry to hear it dont work for you after all..
I know VDJ can be harder to make work good than SSL, do doubt, VDJ has FAR too many factors (WIDE support of hardware etc), to that never beeing problems to tweak to make work.

But you DEFINITIVELY know there are LOADS of success stories at VDJ forum too, so not sure why you now choose to drag the unsucsessfull ones at front.. But thats ok.

By the way, THE ONLY reason we are even here, at this forum, in this thread, is because the original poster posted his post at BOTH forums, with cross-refference.

So, being the VDJ troll, hehe, I'll go back into my cave...

But while VDJ migth be harder to get to work right than SSL, we all know, and you too, that there are loads of sucsessfull users out there, that use VDJ at very high profile gigs, ranging from Dennis Ferrer to Coldcut.. and you everyday joe too...

But its only natural that VDJ gets a bashing here, after all this is your forum :)


VDJ of course have potential to be better, and development will continue..

Enough about VDJ, its only few days to SSL's video plugin is out!:)
Congrats to all of you for having a good video solution finally...

And Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to all :)


Hope to see some EXCELLENT video mixes from the SSL djs next year


regards
Rune
Dj-In-Norway

:)

Hey DJ in Norway I consider you to be one of the Forefathers of Playing Audio and Video digitally, I've seen you on the forum since VDJ first started and I have a lot of respect for you and your opinion on any subject. I think VDJ is a great program my only point with my youtube video was to show that i saw that seratos video plugin is more precise. This takes nothing away from VDJ or what it can do. Or what the DJ's that use that program can do with it. Again i happen to own it myself.

Damn Virtual dj user's Say hello to the bad guy, This SSL product is truly awesome. I Really hate Virtual dj, that product is like so unstable. Why do we have to do so many different config's to make it work, And it works half assed. All I see is Vdj Guys keep pulling Coldcut out there ass, Get over it I seen the video's so what! That all you got? SSL is gonna get all up in ya and you know it. Thata why you guys are all over this Forum, huh? VDJ you guys had your chance to do what you do, Now the big boy is here, Keep using your Vdj be happy with it, Ill be over here with the stable easy program that looks good and is very stable, never crashed never had a problem, Cant say that about VDJ. So say Goodnite to the bad guy. VDJ SUCKS!!!!!!

Wow thats pretty Aggressive bro.

Norway, I was so happy that ONE time, count them ONE time I've used VDJ and it didn't have some sort of a problem, I posted about it in the VDJ forum. You can't think that a SINGLE outing without a crash warrants some branding of stability can you? C'mon man you know me better than that. Oh, and I was so happy I didn't have a crash, I didn't even mention the fact that the DB was corrupted and I had to do the whole night with no crates or BPM for my files. And no I don't know how it got corrupt since I carefully do everything with VDJ since it's so damn fragile.

As far as the loads of success stories at the VDJ forum, every single time I see someone say "it's rock solid for me", I say to myself, "their either not doing much with it or that haven't used it long enough".

And don't call me a VDJ basher. If anything, you know that I've been behind this software 100% since I started using it and I've always wanted the best for VDJ and I pour LOADS of my personal time, money and energy into helping make this product better. But I can't let is pass when 2 of the most senior VDJ guys come in here and talk about how stable the software is, then I have to think to myself, is this a joke?

Wow bro your pissed. Yeah I've never been able to say that VDJ is stable. Not even a little bit.

I dont joke, Thats for clowns, When I owned Vdj the 2 years I used it I was hoping it would get better, All i can remeber is skins, MY GOD SKINS, I didnt care about skins, I just wanted it to work, No help from VDJ forum no real solutions just alot of, you need to buy this, you need to buy that, Thats the joke.Hey I didnt say dont use it, Please if it works for you have at it, But Id rather use Pcdj red before I use Vdj again, And I mean that. All my friends bought Vdj when I did because they seen I had it working pretty well, in time the where mad as hell calling me every hour on the hour, When my buddy 2nd Nature came to town with pioneer DVJ's he had a serato bow for when he wasnt using video, it was awesome We all bought DVJ's and a serato box, worked like a charm.Now that I bought th 57 when they said video plugin is coming Im ready to sell DVJ's because it works just like that with a little more control. Besides Im tired of saying if Vdj worked so well why is it not the standerd dj software, Say goodnite to the bad guy!

lool ;) damn u guys have a lot of hate, and too much brand loyalty ;) Not saying the last is bad, I'll give lots of cred to Serato for beeing gold on building brand loyality ;)

But gimme a break.. lol ;) At least DJ Steal got some senses.

btw, standard software ? depends on how you see it..
VDJ is the MOST popular AUDIO app in the planet.. according to several sites.
10 million downloads, and SSL is far from as popular as VDJ world wide. Yes, SSL rules the marginal "elite" (depends on how you see the world) scratch djs. And for good reasons, SSL is targeted and dedicated for that, doing a great job at it. I'm not bashing SSL, and never would.. I respect the DJs choice, and what works best for him, is what he should choose ;) Of course...

Its not like I'm trying to SELL vdj here, that is impossible;) hehe.. And even the reason I dare post here, and bet Serato not getting invovled either.. For that you guys have too strong product loyalty, and SSL is also the correct choice. Only reason was the cross-forum post and comparison of the video features etc, that some felt as a bit sided... But no biggie.

SSL is the best for the marginal group of djs that scratch hiphop sets. You guys have made the right choice, and I respect that, all the way;)

VDJ also of course target that group, but its not like we depend on them.

After all, there are WAY too many other kinds of djs ;) Guessing out of the air, there are probably 1000 mobile/pub/club/wedding/home djs for every hiphop scratcher.. globaly.


But thanx for all the bashin! ;) it does make me smile abit..

Sure, we SUCK, and we're the bad guys.. right:)

I do respect the inital parts from Steel and IKutz though.. Back then it was civil, adult and interesting at least:)

Some of you guys seem to care more about VDJ than I do.. really odd :) Keep up the hate ! hehe

Merry Christmas to all though ;) By now, gettin way too silly this thread...

Nite from the bad guy ;)

The Video DJSteel showed, and posted on the VirtualDJ Forum did not show ANY VDJ usage AT ALL. It was totally biased and one sided. If anyone wants to post a legitimate video demo I will be more than happy to watch at and consider buying the BEST of the two softwares. Since I presently own VDJ and CUE I will stay with what I have...and KNOW FOR A FACT works!!! And has done so for a long time...

Peace on Earth Good Will Towards DJs

Lol bro the reason I showed only SSL is because I figured everyone has already tested VDJ for themselves and had their own personal experiences with it. If you want me to make videos for every configuration I've tried I will. No Problem but honestly VDJ user will think I'm rigging it. Cause I've bought everything you can think of and nothing has ever worked as good as my first try with the lastest version of Serato Video.

one last thing norway. i don't scratch and i have zero brand loyalty. i'll use what works, always. if something better comes along, i use that. i don't use it because all the cool kids use it. i could give two shits about what everybody else uses. i use what works.

I respect every DJ and what comes down to the their comfort zone. Cause honestly no one here can deny the fact that every single one of us work better when we are in our Comfort Zone. If it takes using VDJ to be in your comfort zone and do your best show then so be it. For me its Serato Scratch Live, but that does mean anyone is right or wrong. So ok lets say for an actual fact that Serato is the better of the two programs and that can't be disputed. That fact really means nothing to DJ-In-Norway is he feel more confident with VDJ. So this doesn't matter. I should have made the Video differently just to showcase Serato but I was so damn happy I just made it that way.

Sorry i wrote that super fast I messed it up a bit.

1st... none of the vids are impressive. Furthermore, at least one of thise involved persons use Scratch LIVe while they are spinning. I guess that says it all. :)

Aaron, you swallowed 2 hate pills today, lol.
Keith changed his tune too, funny how that works, whatever...
I would argue but its not worthwhile anymore.
You toss in the word "vast" but there is no possible way for that to be measured.
If you use a word that you can't back up or substantiate, its nothing but a bias driven remark.
I know what the "vast" problems are.
These "vast" problems also come from users who are using cracks, I answer them also in eservice.
I know what the "vast" problems are, I deal with them, you don't.

In the past you have been fairly neutral, but these posts are very aggressive, sadly.
Based on what you wrote it's apparent that you read my posts, but it didn't sink in I guess. 3rd party hardware is 99% of the problem and SSL would have the same issues dealing with that. Where they don't support it, they don't have the problems we do. Simple as that in plain English.

Nobody from our camp is here to give anybody a hard sell.
Steel posted a comparison that wasn't.
It's as simple as that.
I see he liked my "comfort zone" statement though, and that is realtime.

Any of you guys are welcome anytime to hang and post on our forum about anything as long as its not hate.
Thats the way it should be, its a big group from all styles.
If you want to keep things tight and locked down here to hip hop scratchers that is cool too. It's all I see here, but what ever...

Hope you all have a Merry Christmas
L8tr
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Gotta agree here.

Lo It actually was a good comparison or you VDJ people wouldn't be here posting I think. Again I will say why I only showed features of SSL, everyone already has used VDJ! VDJ has been in the public hands for a long time already. Serato was not. i thought i was doing you guys a favor by showing what it does and the fact that I got it to work the first time straight off. I'll be making some VDJ Videos next.

I'm gonna jump in here and stop this whole "Serato is great for hip-hop scratchers." Yes, it is great to the scratch DJ's who rock DMC style. You know what Serato is also great for? Mobile jocks, clubs, house DJ's. People who like to keep it real without horribly implemented automix features. People who love to rock a party on vinyl without latency or nasty digitized sound feedback. Touring DJ's who don't want to bring cases of crates. Producers who want to play their tracks as if they were pressed to vinyl. Even Pioneer DVJ users burn timecode with Video over and use it like that instead of using VDJ.

The common element that makes us all Serato users is quite SIMPLY stability.

Virtual DJ can point the finger at cracked versions, or event supporting 3rd party hardware, but perception is reality. Sure VDJ has a TON and I mean a TON of users... but Wal-Mart has a ton of shoppers too, it doesn't mean you're getting a quality product or great customer service.

I use and trust Serato... and I rock my crowds everytime with it. My boy uses VDJ, and after months of building and tweaking a PC, not using it for websurfing and buying a $1,200 Korg Zero4 mixer he finally has VDJ working to what's acceptable to him. So VDJ work's for some people - but my time is money. I don't have 40 hours to tweak a computer and software. Serato works great with my MacBook or MacBook pro and my TTM57SL mixer that cost me $1,150 shipped. Plus Serato's software is free... so in a real life study of me vs. My friend, my Serato setup was actually less expensive (and off the ground and running faster) than his VDJ setup. No knocking VDJ, just an actual real life comparison.

And to be even more fair, I'll give VDJ a shout-out for actually having a better key-lock master tempo than SSL.

Thanks for the very adult and sane post Lil Vito.
Really apreciate the honesty, as long as it said in an adult civil way.

And you are right, SSL is far easier to plug-and-play, than VDJ.
Its a challenge or even development goal, to make VDJ more "out of the box" working, and remove some of the user tweak settings we have.

And you are aslo absolutely right, it does work for your boy... (after some tweaking, yeah). If course VDJ works great (thought it migth need an effort to set it up). If it didnt, we wouldnt have tons of happy users.
And we litterally have TONS of users, as you say, there are bound to be problems for some, in the world of so diverse PC hardware setups. Even Windows itself can crash or have huge issues, on PCs , when things are "wonky". So of course VDJ will to... in given cases. But its for sure possible to make work as good as SSL, although, it might need more tweaking, as you point out..

That is true... Its far easier to make SSL work out of the box. And thumbs up to Serato for that.

Does it mean SSL is flawless? Of course not, just look at all the bug reports, and issues, at this forum too. If it was flawless, they could retire, and not release any more bug fixes. Same goes for VDJ, of course. And even more so, since we have more factors, features, supported hardware and so on, to consider and make work with it.

VDJ is also "free" by the way, you only buy it once, and get all updates for free. Just as you "buy" Serato once (the box and software as a package). Well, Serato is technically more free than VDJ, but neither are really free of charge.

Anyways, there is really no use to argue more about this. Some like Pepsi, some like Coke.. So what? ;) What works for you is what you should use.

But thanks for the reflected and adult post Lil Vito

Merry Christmas

Same to you Norway! Have a great New Year too!

Yeah that Scratch DJ thing was upsetting me a bit cause I scratch but I didn't scratch for the first 15 years of my career. Saying Serato is only for Scratch DJ's is like saying VDJ is only for scuzz ball Strip club DJ's. Not fair, and not True. Also I have to disagree with your comment Vito about the master tempo being better on VDJ. VDJ's master tempo to me is not good, and in the beginning was the first reason I switched to serato. Serato at the time didn't have master tempo but VDj's is so bad that is sounds like chipmunks when trying to adjust the pitch too fast.

I mean that to me is the essential difference between VDj and Serato. Both programs do Master Tempo but VDJ does it wrong and Serato did it 2nd, but did it right.

On the subject of cracked versions and 3rd party software, all these problems are ultimately VDJ's fault for building the system they built the way they did. The last thing I want to do with my free time is spend it trying to make a program I bought (to do it right in the first place) work right. Thats crazy to me. No other program I own is like that. For audio editing Video editing or Graphic editing. None of them have to be tweaked to work they way they are supost to from the get go. Makes no sense why doesn't the same setting work for everyone? I don't like it and can't trust it at a gig. My next videos that I will start on tomorrow will be about Master Tempo on both programs. I'm gonna go though feature by feature and show the difference.

i've always said that vdj should have it's own dedicated hardware that you buy with it, that works. that would elimate 90% of the headaches.

the vdj guys disagree. choice is better, even if it means people can choose to buy crap gear and complain when it doesn't work right.

they say $500 is too much to pay for a sound card but i'll be dammed if that shit doesn't work every single time i plug it in.

True man they say in marketing bad news travels twice as fast as good news. I would never let people choose bad gear to go with a good program. It will always make the program look just like the hardware.

And by the time you buy VDJ and a decent soundcard (and by decent I don't mean a $100 Maya44USB), it will cost you just as much, if not more than SSL. I'm usually all for options and choice and different configurations, but some things are just better standardized.

Yeah exactly man. I'm all about choices of rims on my car, food when i eat but tools? Tools, all the best tools work exactly the same every time all the time no matter what. Perfect example Technics 1200's enough said.

Exactly. Besides, if you can't make that $500 back in one or two gigs you need to step up your game.

djsteel... I def want to see that video. I like Serato's Master Tempo, but as of this past summer my boy had me convinced that VDJ's was better. I'd like to throw it back in his face if he was wrong!

Quote of the month.

I'm on it tomorrow bro! bright and early! I'd do some rapid fire comparisons with both programs.

i'll agree with steel on most of this stuff but i will have to disagree about the master tempo, having used both VDJ and Serato's current free master tempo. for me, in my experience, the VDJ implementation sounds better, much better. in fact i don't even think it's close. but I say this is true only for tracks that the serato plugin muffs up badly. it's easy to hear on certain tracks when there is a distinctly noticeable "pumping" in the low end or garble in the upper freqs. i dont hear those artifacts nearly as bad on the VDJ plugin. VDJ wins there.

but serato's $700 pitch n' time plugin blows them both away and i'm more likely to pre-pitch a remix with a plugin, than I am to care about how well a real time master tempo works anyway. and when they release the non-free plugin for ssl (if they ever do), it'll probably blow both the vdj and the free ssl plugin away.

my point exactly. when i get to the club, i don't want to spend the night fighting 20 years of turntable auto-pilot because some jackass club owner decided to save a few bucks and bought some frakentables for the dj booth. thank god every club i spin at has genuine TECHS.

choice might be good in other areas but I don't need choice when it comes to turntables and i sure hell dont need to be able to choose from 200 soundcards for my dj rig.

Now why do I get the impression that this will be one sided again.
Kind of like those ridiculous PC vs Mac commercials.
Like lets all circle up and watch this pissing contest....not
Nobody cares Steel, you had your chance the first time around.

Aaron, thanks for seeing this for what it is, nice party btw, caught most of it.
The 3rd party thing is a problem and one of my biggest beefs and lets just say I am voicing my option up top about this very thing, tired of the black eyes it gives the software.

However, there are a few pieces that I would love to see full native support for including direct support from the manufacturers. A%H Xone for one Denon for two and a couple of others are top quality units. I don't think anyone here can diss hardware labeled by either. If SSL had those options I would suspect they would venture away from the tables if SSL offered this. I would suspect that more would chose SSL if these options were present, at least from a marketing perspective it would figure to. I can assure you all that the biggest drawing of switchers come from programs that offer little or no options and features that todays users crave. That is a fact.
The Walmart analogy is weak btw, gimmie a break.

And fellas, this is not about $100 sound cards at all imo, its about controllers.
We have very little sound card support issues and those that do are well known.
Having options opens the door to many giving them a starting point with a program that will grow with them allowing upgrades to hardware and sound cards of their choosing to match their desired style of mixing.

Open your eyes and see it for what it really is.
Millions of djs can't be that wrong or as ignorant as you think.

r

Now why do I get the impression that this will be one sided again.
Kind of like those ridiculous PC vs Mac commercials.
Like lets all circle up and watch this pissing contest....not
Nobody cares Steel, you had your chance the first time around.

Aaron, thanks for seeing this for what it is, nice party btw, caught most of it.
The 3rd party thing is a problem and one of my biggest beefs and lets just say I am voicing my option up top about this very thing, tired of the black eyes it gives the software.

However, there are a few pieces that I would love to see full native support for including direct support from the manufacturers. A&H Xone for one Denon for two and a couple of others are top quality units. I don't think anyone here can diss hardware labeled by either. If SSL had those options I would suspect they would venture away from the tables if SSL offered this. I would suspect that more would chose SSL if these options were present, at least from a marketing perspective it would figure to. I can assure you all that the biggest drawing of switchers come from programs that offer little or no options and features that todays users crave. That is a fact.
The Walmart analogy is weak btw, gimmie a break.

And fellas, this is not about $100 sound cards at all imo, its about controllers.
We have very little sound card support issues and those that do are well known.
Having options opens the door to many giving them a starting point with a program that will grow with them allowing upgrades to hardware and sound cards of their choosing to match their desired style of mixing.

Open your eyes and see it for what it really is.
Millions of djs can't be that wrong or as ignorant as you think.

r

oops, lol

@ Serato being for scratch djs

Well, I didnt mean it was EXCLUSIVLY for scratch djs.

But we all know that SSL is for TURNTABLE djs, its marketed and promoted by all means as a scratch solution, even the brand name is SCRATCH live.

My point being that VDJ is for a wide type of DJs, including those that use MIDI controllers, HID controllers, trigger pads, rackmount controllers, turntables and CD players (as SSL), midi mixers (not limited to Rane) or the compo of all above...

So in a black/white comparison, for comparison sake only, one could say that Serato is for scratch djs, while VDJ is for a wider group of djs.

But true, real life have more shades of gray ;)

Didnt mean anything bad about it, it was just for making a point.


@ VDJ master tempo

- I have compared that to SSL, and it DOES sound a LOT better. BUT ONLY if you have high performance preset set. If you dont, VDJ will run a low-fi master tempo for slower pcs, and yes, thats chipmunk ;) hehe


Hope all had the best holidays:)

Traktor SCRATCH. Mostly used by djs playing electronic music.

Can anyone (a-swift?) post a comparison/samples of the keylock difference between SSL and VDJ. I dont think the SSL keylock sounds good. Also... important if you scratch and mix.. how about timing? Does the VDJ keylock keep its timing?

I'll be doing with comparison today. Even though Mp3jrick doesn't care. Lol

Oh and Mp3jrick I'll say it again! I assumed that since millions and million of dj's already had it that you millions and millions of DJ's had already seen it. I was trying to show you the program you had not seen.

Doesn't that make sense? You already own VDJ, you don't have Serato Video, I do, there for I thought you might want to see what I found to be true.

This was never about starting a battle between VDJ and Serato. It was about letting my DJ friends who are using VDJ and aren't satisfied with it know that I have finally found a system that suits my needs, when VDj did not.

By that you mean spamming our forum with the one sided infomercial video...yup, I get it. I assure you that we wouldn't do that here in SSL land just out of common respect for a competitor.

And if you ARE going to do it in an unbiased way, do show the differences in an accurate way.
Then we all will be interested, if not don't waste our time again.

steel, no offense to you but you do seem extremly biased. just the fact that you have an early version shows you have some kind of connection with serato. and in response to the thread where i saw you vehemently opposed to having video only available in conjunction with the ttm57, thats the dumbest thing serato could do. they would be significantly isolating their potential user base. Paying $1800+ for video (ttm57 and video plugin) is the dumbest thing they could make us do.

Sorry, norway, you seem to be pretty fast with the winks after each sentence... don't think people are dumb....

a-swift for example clearly said he would had switched to VDJ if it was stable. Some users here don't care about the brand as long as it works! We ;) are ;) not ;) all ;) brand ;) loyals ;)

hehe ... good post Nik... And you stole all my smileys, so first smiley-free post right here

VDJ works stable for me, never a crash. But thats why I use it.
For same reasons you use SSL.

Its as simple as that.

And should be too, doesnt matter what you use as long as it works for you.

Happy holidays (<---- insert wink here)

I'd pay $5,000 if I knew the product was stable, did what I needed it to do, and offered limitless return on investment.

Pioneer has a great product with the DVJ's, and to perform using those you'd be investing a minimum of roughly $2,500 per player, plus a three screen preview pane ($800) and a switcher/video mixer (min. $500). That's all estimating VERY low. So if you use DVJ's you're in over $6,000. With Serato you're spending about $1,200 for a mixer, $200 for software and $1,500 for a computer. These are rough numbers.

Again, I've got to stress that you should be treating these investments as a business expense and make sure you're charging clients enough to profit. DJ Steel, biased or not - and I'll be honest, he's passionate about his video experiences - seems to have a good head on his shoulders and is a good leader to set an example for video virgins.

Mp3jrick you honestly sound ignorant bro. Nothing I did was one sided. Why would I buy all that gear and software to make serato look good if it wasn't. I don't care about brand names I want my system to work properly.

I'm gonna make another video today and I'm trying to get my boy Wyatt who only uses VDJ over here to represent VDJ. I'm not here to Bash VDJ, not at all. I'm here to show the difference between the two so everyone can make an educated decision about which they want to use, without having to buy all the crap I did.

I know you are Steel... You are a full registered forum user and VDJ user too

And your video pointed out a great feature SSL has, that VDJ lacks, and one I want badly... Cut to black.

Dont know why Rick find it so offensive, I for one didnt mind your video. But rather what came in the slipstream of it, in this thread.

You're a cool guy Steel, dont make this "war" take your time ;)

It doesnt matter what one uses. You use SSL, your buy Wyatt VDJ.. so what.

Enjoy the holidays instead.

your guy Wyatt.. damn keyboard..

Ignorant...really?
Well start by turning of the other system when you do a side by side comparison.
You got a whole lot of fans back on the vdj thread you started this shit with that soft of agree with me.
And again...nobody from the other camp would have pulled that here, it's very tacky.
Think about it, here let me help...
So I do this feature packed infomercial on utube about how grrrreat VDJ is and post up the link here....think about it again.
And I won't stoop to name calling, that says alot about your character.

Sorry for the double posts, had some typo's I tried to edit that resulted from typing in anger which is wrong.
I have the same passion about VDJ that you guys have about SSL, and I don't take well to clowning when it goes too far.

I guess realizing this, it's time to bail on this thread.
The points are not registering.

Good conversation about features is alway interesting, but it has turned into something different now, so it's time to put a stop to it.

Keep bookin and giggin hard guys

r

this is my new favorite thread.

Mine to lol,

I only posted originally to clarify some inaccurasy's with what Steel had said about VDJ (He seems a knowledgable and down to earth guy) dont think he meant to cause this "War" either but you all knew it was coming...

Gloves off 2008 VDJ versus Video-SL. I wish you all lived in the UK because I would set up an AV event for this lol...

Yeah mine too this guy Mp3jrick is crazy Lol Again I posted that video cuase I excited about Video with Serato, not to bash VDJ damn. Vdj is cool I like the automixing and Clipbank. Very cool Features. I was just trying to point out what I had found in both programs. Serato works better for me. I own both and have not mentioned this before but have been a VDJ user more then twice as long as I've been a Serato user.
Actually i'm glad I made a new friend out of it IKUTZ is dope! mp3jrick I think you need to really check your dosage on your meds bro. Calm down take a deep breath, if you need a hug get one! I'm not Hitler I swear to you. Lol Oh no now he is probably gonna defend Hitler too.

Hey...easy. lets keep it civil please.

Rick is a very nice guy, a father, grandfather, and just the nices guy you can imagine. Known him for the longest time.

He gets excited when he feels something is wrong or wrongly portrayed, just as some of the SSL user in this thread also went a bit over the edge... one gets excited and says things in the heat of the moment.

Btw, this thread (cross posted on VDJ forum) is also the favorite thread at VDJ forums, with close to 1000 view by now ;) hehe

Guess its the clash of gigants, but in the end, gotta side with iKutz, time to take the glows off for 2008.

Would be a killer AV event though..hehe.. "lets get ready to rumble, in the left corner... " .. lol


Rune

Man i have no problem with anyone but you start talking crap like i don't know what I'm talking about or what I'm saying is wrong Wtf. That Rick dude is crazy until he acts normal my opinion stays the same.

In my opinion the reason why so many people and I dont mean everyone; but the reason why so many people get programs like VDJ is because they cannot DJ. To be able to DJ using Serato usually requires more skill since it has less microwave features. If Serato didn't come out I wouldn't be using a computer. I tested everything before I bought Serato and for me nothing was as stable. But again thats just me. And I am not saying the VDJ users cannot DJ cause I'm sure there are plenty of good ones. So don't go off on me like thats what I'm saying. We're never going to convince VDJ users that their program is highly unstable and inferior and you're never going to convince Serato users that VDJ is legitimate. Basically who cares! But I will tell you one thing. Programs like VDJ are creating a lot of bullshit wannabe DJ's that take business away from the pro's. Guys that just click play and automix. Some of my best friends use VDJ but I don't like them any less. So lets all be friends or just have a big DJ brawl. But again who cares? I don't think this is going to be like a format war where eventually one format wins out so we're going to have to learn to coexist. So if Serato works for you thats great. If VDJ works for you thats great. If VDJ crashes on you while DJing which I've seen and heard it does. Than that sucks for you. If Serato crashes on you while DJing than that sucks for you. But it hasn't for me ever. So thats why I use it. And I cannot even see straight any more after reading all this and typing this pointless post so I'm done.

Wow Dj steel You started some sh.t on this forum, LOL. All I see is alot of back and fourth about Whats better and not getting anywhere, Look Its simple if you dont like serato Vdj User's fine, But its interesting that I havent read One thing about SL-video sucking from you Guys, Do you guys own it? Lot of you guys own the Sl box for your soundcard. Ive been on this forum for a few days and see all the same arguments. Look I think Dj steel's video was very informative, I dont think hes was Dissing Vdj he was just saying that if you didnt know now Serato has video and see what it can do, Then came the Sh.t storm. Big ups to all good Dj's out there that use whatever, with that being said I choose to use Serato and nothing else, So there! Say goodnite to the bad Guy.

Amen!
and good post...

VDJ have never crashed for me, and thats why I use it.

If it DID crash on my gigs, I'd switch to SSL in a second, no doubt.

I have nothing against SSL users, many of my friends are SSL users;) And many of VDJs users have SSL, and visa-versa, such as the thread starter here has too.

And almost none of my fellow VDJ users have antything against SSL users, or Traktor users for that matter. And I would never say SSL sucked or was bad, never.. So sorry, you wont get VDJ users that start bashin SL-video.

But thats maybe why we dont have these kinda threads "elsewhere" ;) For that, I respect both the users and developers of SSL too much...

And ditto, big ups to all djs, whatever they use ...

Thanks dj-in-norway. Remember competition is better than none for us. It will keep the companies on their toes and continue to provide quality products. So lets not make this ridiculous. Lets not turn this into HD-DVD vs. Blu Ray, PS3 vs XBOX 360, mac vs pc or whatever else. You know they had to shut down and HD DVD forum cause it started to get violent. Thats not where we need to go. But for the record I use SSL, I back blu-ray and I love my ps3 but also own an xbox 360. I also prefer cars that arent made in America because I feel they are more reliable which is why I have an Acura. So at the end of the day just remember music is the answer.

Exactly ;)

And think I've said so 10 times in this thread, its MOST welcomed that SSL adds video, it will only make the competition more interesting, and help development for both sides...

Its even GREAT for VDJ and its users. It helps push forwards services we all need, both SSL and VDJ, such as better video subscription deals, video pools, tools, and gigs too.. when video mixing gets more common.

Thumbs up for Sl-Video, and hope to see some damn good video mixes around here real soon :)

Hell yeah now we are talking! some smart ideas! I love DJing I love Video Mixing, and seriously I never meant to pit one against the other. I do apologize to any VDJ users if you felt that the Video put you on the defensive. Not the point of that video. I've got the sickest Youtube video ever rendering right now hopefully will be up in a couple hours. I made it with Serato video, Its cool. I can't wait to post it. Soon very soon.

So now I'm crazy...well maybe, but I ain't no grampa Rune, not yet old enough for that shit yet. You're gonna pay for that one dude, lol.

Kris, for you to post that someone is a doushbag in our forum is way out of line.
You have the best back peddling act I've ever seen, circus quality man.

I re read this thread and the 2 (two yes two) you started, on our forum.

While I am not convinced that it was a genuine modern day show and tell session, the title of it certainly was to the contrary because of the (VS) that was included. Not too difficult for the blind to see what the content was going to be, in context or not your intent was crystal clear. Our users echo this verbatum, so the whole rest of the world isn't "crazy".

I just want to ask all you guys one question again.
If I or any other VDJ user EVER posted a link or in this case 2 links on this forum to a VDJ VS Serato demo how you would take it.
You call us out as being too sensative and over reactive, but can you imagine the bedlam if anyone did that to you guys here in your home turf.
Some of you flip flop like political candidates.
Respect is earned, not given we tread lightly here for that very reason, but apparently it doesn't work the other way around.
You can't expect to gain respect when you pull an act off like this.
There isn't one person on that forum that you impressed with the SSL demo, well maybe one Rune, with that black out trans.

I think you need to consider the fall out before you post up that kind of thing the way you did. If you just titled it "Serato now features video" the outcome would have been far different. Instead, you alienated 1/2 the dj society and ALL of the friends you might have had on the VDJ forum.

There is no need to draw lines in the sand, nobody has ever treated SSL users this way. It shows no respect at all and if you don't see it, you need to crawl out and see the sunshine. You were blinded by your own excitement I guess.

Despite all of the shots and dissin' Rune, myself and vdj have taken here, we still want to be considered friends regardless of what software we chose.
I know many of you feel we don't belong here, but the fact is we are as curious and excited about new technology as then next guy. We are not here to spy or discredit ssl or the fans here. There is no reason for there to be a wall with a gate, that is so old school / cold warish.

I know there is a lot of excitement over this, you guys waited a long time and some still wait.
But, I also think it could have been handled in a more professional manner.

So lets see a genuine comparison of the two including features, supported OS, supported video formats, supported hardware and any limitations that either may have.
Now let the dogs run and see who gets their first on the same track.

Cut/r

Ups, sorry about that Rick ;) I know you aint grampa yet...hehe. All the typin got the better of me...

Lets get over this cross-posting thing, and why or why not Dj Steels did it.
He said apolygize, not the intention to make us defensive, end of story..
Time to move on .. :)

Lookin forwards to that vide Steel.. bet its supa cool :)

Like I said Crazy. So I suppost to let people Private message me thne take what I said in a private message to him and re post it on another forum with my words all out of context? That to me constitutes Douche baggery! Fine, fine he's not a Douche bag then he is a cowardly liar! I have no problem if you hate me for what I say but I'll be damned if your gonna hate me for something that guy made up. By the way I didn't read of of your last post Rick didn't make any sense. Like a crazy person wrote it.

I don't hate anybody first off.



Huh? can someone explain this?
I think he said he didn't read my last post but not sure.

This thread will go down in history Kris, take a bow crazy foo man, I love it when a plan comes together...

No meds here btw, but after your threads careful consideration is being given to that option.

You all sound like a bunch of babies who cant get there way. Go to VDJs forum if you want to jump up and downand pout..

P.S. I heard they have plenty of tissues over there.

OMFG.. I have a new favorite thread.

I dj so bad, I shop at Walmart..... LOL !!!

don't front yo. i bought a BUNCH of music video DVDs from Walmart, Best Buy, amazon.com and anywhere else that had them. rare shit you can't get from promo only too.

Tower is a good stop to shop too, if they ever get their site back together with track listings for the albums.

After you buy everything that Po has to offer, you still will find holes that need filling, and it don't matter where you get it as long as you got it.

it makes access to the sounds on the movie much less work IMO.

I think it is cool to have the Video Plugin... Just not sure about the $200 pricetag for the plug...

Walmart..man thats a good idea!!! Also here's a trick I;ve been doing since buying wax. At your favorite record store, preferrably a mom and pop one(they are still around) they always get promo cds and dvds for free. ask them for it and they'll give you them for free. I've been doing that for years.

what is $200 for the plugin if you have TTM57 and a computer with the needed spec. Compare it to cost for playing DVD in a club with Pioneer, you need 2 of DVJ-1000, video mixer like Edirol V4, 3 small video monitors, soundmixer. So $200 is cheap :-)

"two egg-rolls and fried rice with free chopsticks...dollar ninety nine..What a bargain!!!" eddie murphy.

You gotta watch the quality of audio buying from walmart and such.
Some audio is good but alot of stuff you get there needs to have the audio edited with better quality.

Here is the break down using street prices...
2 Pioneer Dvj1000's $4800
1 Pioneer DJM 909 $1000
1 Pioneer VSW 1 $400
1 Edirol V4 $1000
1 Numark Triple Display $650
Total $7850
Or
1 TTM 57sl $1400
2 Technics 1200MK2 $800 (You can find cheaper used)
2 Carts $200
1 VSL Plugin $200
1 Macbook Pro Lappy $2500
Total $4900

you save about $3000 over the pioneer system.

or, spin in internal mode and knock $1000 off the top.... no carts or 1200's

hahaha

Why don't we just let the VDJ guys post a video over here and call it even.

Needles.... as in CARTridge.

O i thought a cart was necessary to hold groceries ;-)

hahhaha, thanks. I was think a little carrying cart to hold all your stuff. But then I was like $200, thats an expensive cart. You can hire a midget to carry your gear for that price.

Wow...What a thread! I personally have not tested Video-SL yet but am quite anxious to. STEEL I checked out that green screen video you had and I thought it was dope.

I have been doing video 3 nights a week for about 6 months now. I use 2 Tech's, the DJM 800 (MIDI enabled), and the Numark Virtual Vinyl package (which is essentially VDJ just branded and skinned by Numark). Essentially I have been using VDJ for 6 months 3 nights a week. I have had ONE live crash with VDJ. ONE. My computer is a Macbook Pro 2.33 ghz dual with 3 gigs of RAM. I have Leopard installed and run VDJ with Bootcamp and Windows XP. My computer is fully optimized in XP. No uneeded services running, no auto updates, wireless, no anti-virus ect...I ran into quite a few problems with tweaking when I 1st began using VDJ but once I got everything running smoothly the problems were minimized. Timecode is DEFINITELY not up to par with SSL but it is not that far behind. I think that most of the problems that people have with VDJ are user error. I see alot of people in the VDJ forum complaining about crashes but than it turns out that they had something stupid like their wireless internet enabled or their auto updates going at the same time...

I will use whatever is the superior choice for video whether it be VDJ or SLV. Currently for me its VDJ. Most of my files are top notch .vob and .mpeg 2's which cannot be played in VSL. Why would I convert uncompressed files when Hardrives are so cheap...? I have the next in line to be 'Industry Standard' DJM 800. I can't use that with SLV...? Disappointing to say the least. Needless to say if the program is superior in terms of functionality and stability I will use it. If it performs better with Timecode as well as has good video transitions I will use it. VDJ lacks in looping and gains, which is essential, while these are strong points in SSL. Time will tell and I am excited about the full version release of Video-SL.

I just may do that. I am looking into video capture equipment this week. Its been a long time coming.

VDJ guys will not have time to post a video they are too busy working out the bugs with the program and trying to figure out why they are having crashes.

Damn Wiz! you takin all the fun out of it.

2FAST4U wrote:

HAHA. Maybe with most but as far as me...doubt it friend. I'm to busy finishing my website, doing video edits, building relationships, promoting my company, and making money spinning video 3 nights a week. 6 figures this year by the way and believe me the exclusive edits I have are nasty (no homo). As far as the other 95% of VDJ users I don't think they even know how to mix let alone would want anyone else to see them do it.

What a nice thing to say Charlie, you really play the fence

I'm sure sure VDJ users both here and in the other forum would appreciate your comments.
What a piece of work

Me, I, I'm, my, I, no homo, I....that sums it up pretty well.
Just who are you trying to impress anyway?

Hey I like Charlie Five. Dude has skills, hustle and sick video edits. Three things I can really appreciate.

Come on Rick there is a clear, matter of fact very clear, skill difference between 'most' of SSL users and 'most' of VDJ users. Maybe 95% is a little high. So let me change it to 'MOST'. I don't need to be as biased because I'm not a VDJ Teamer. Its not about impressing anyone. I personally know like 5 people that participate in this forum. None will prob ever even read this post (unless I direct them).

I use currently use VDJ, hence my post earlier:



VDJ's customer base is without a doubt mobile/bedroom (well beside all the crack users). There is a huge difference from a DJ using turntables and/or a CD turntable to pushing play on a controller. Using automix and sync, come on. SSL users are forced to learn how to mix. Don't get me wrong, I have heard some very bad SSL DJ's who also can't mix worth shit.

I like and enjoy most of the users in the VDJ forums company and their posts. SORRY if that offended anyone. It was more of a quick quoted post at 1:30 in the morning. It wasn't directed at anyone. I'm not talking about 95% of the users that participate in the VDJ forums. I'm talking about 95% of VDJ's users. Which most I would bet are cracked copy users. I don't personally know any of my friends or people in my circle of the DJ community who have purchased VDJ. I do know about 40-50 people who have cracked copies.

MPEG2 files (vob, mpg, etc.) are compressed.
Hard drives are cheap and I think it's something Serato should definitely work towards. If Serato can support mpeg2 it means going from DVD to VSL is very quick. However h.264 will be the video codec of choice for sometime to come. If anyone starts selling videos on download on a big scale, I would expect them to come as mp4 files with h.264 video and AAC audio.

Its cool Charlie, I have nothing against you personally.
But, that quote was a bit off the hook as a blanket statement.
I am not biased, I just take things too personal like anybody else who has a better than average handle on the software.
No different here at SSL, if someone slammed SSL or users in a derogatory way.

I saw the other posts of yours and frankly wondered why you would say that.
You know and I know that number is skewed just based on skill level exluding the auto play "push button" djs, granted.

The cracked copy users, well lets not go there, but I never would have taken that generality to encompass the crack heads too.
Even then, you'd be surprised how many of them mix circles over the average dj.

I don't agree that bedroom djs are a mojority, they are not the type willing to drop 300 on software, and we don't see many as posters. So that number is a complete unknown.

Man, if the bullshit could just stop between the communities if could be so much better. There is nothing constructive or positive about it.

Shots like 2fast took set it off, yours just took it up a notch and me by surprise particularly being a VIP on our forum.



While we are on the subject of mixing guys, I do NOT consider being a Vegas editing champ a skill level. I see a lot of that, and although it is good, leaves the talent in the studio and not live.
In comparison to some in that other thread, I see Steel's reel as pretty good in comparison because it was obviously LIVE although prepared to some degree.

Now as far as the ratio of djs that can mix on the fly, that is a different animal all together. Anybody can cut and paste in Vegas till its right and throw it on utube. You can build a set with music selected and samples cued and ready to fire and nail it also.
But how many can take a guest request list and build a perfect set with it on the fly based on what they are asking for and what you know will mix with it?

To me, that takes much more talent.
It's a little different sitting in a booth with concentration intact, vs mixing on the fly with constant interruptions in the thought process and the groove you are in.

So how do you gauge the skill level then?
Which takes more talent?

Peace
r

I would expect the same. h.264 is the new standard replacing MPEG-2 across multiple industries. HD-DVD and Blu-ray disks are predominantly h.264 while good old DVDs are MPEG-2. HD TV broadcasts are moving to (or already at) h.264.

Whitelabel.net??? ;-)

So much fun reading all this :), i work with VDJ for a while and i really didnt like it, i dont have nothing bad to say about it though, but if you are serious about video mixing then you must to use DVJ-1000, i bought a pair last year for $4200 and i got 1 year free of promo only dvds and they gave me a free monitor as well, it was a really good promotion, anyway i have seen alot of video mixes out there and nothing is compares to dj 2 nature stuff, dont mind me to say he uses dvj's :), i like the idea of SSL doing video i know is gonna do well, my self i just stick to what i have and let SSL grow first b4 jumping aboard, if you wanna check out a really nice video of 2 nature using dvj's check this: www.youtube.com view
i hope you guys like that :)

wow u really have to be an octupus on that..nice vid though.

Whew, dude is fresh. I've seen a few of his remixes I think but never in action. good shit.

@ DJMuErTe :: That vid of 2nd Nature is cool...But as far as video mixing, thats nothing. I heard alot of 2nd Natures remixes and heard that he could do some sweet shit with video but I doubt thats his best stuff. If so I'm pretty disappointed and further ahead of the pack than I thought. His scratching is cool and maybe better than mine but he's not using a MIDI mixer so there is no video effect while he's scratching (even a screen flash would make it cooler.) I'm sure that vids old and he has since gotten better and moved to a MIDI mixer.

that 2nd nature video is really old and i think was just shown to show what dvjs could do, not to impress anyone really.

mp3rick wrote:


Word Rick. I have respect for you and the community of 'registered' VDJ users that participate in the forum over there. I have personally helped plenty with all issues from setting up their DJM 800's to Timecode to Soundcards...ect. Most via email and msn messenger. But the people that participate in those forums are just a small number of VDJ users. The guys who have a handle on the program and computer setup, use Timecode or a good controller, and know the kinetics of mixing are quite proficient. (I know VDJ guys are checking this thread too. If you know what your doing you don't need to feel attacked or betrayed. I wasn't talking directly about you.) And Rick like I said earlier. DJ's who use Serato need to be more 'hands on' and learn to mix as the software doesn't do alot of that for them.



As for me. Close to half of my sets are all Video Edited Remixes that someone in my company (Visualize Chicago) has produced. I'm personally not a very talented editor but most of my crew is. Our video edits are mostly cool audio remixes that we either made or purchased and synced the video to. Some are complete masterpieces of DJ creativity. I have seen quite a few other video edits out there. Some are cool, some ok, some quite bogus. Most can't even touch mine (ours). The Visualize Chicago website is almost finished. When it is, most will be available for show.

Playing edited videos doesn't mean your a good video DJ but I would say most people who put all the time in that to edit things for their craft are quite good at it. My edits enhance my show visually by allowing me to play hot remixed songs that do not have videos for (plus they are only usually 2-4 min long). I'm not held to a select group of videos that everyone has seen on MTV. Here's a link to one. I never upload to You Tube but just for an idea I uploaded a shitty copy in case some steals it. www.youtube.com view

@ DJ Steel :: Sorry for the long hijacked thread post. I would invite you to do a guest spot anytime. I'm looking to do alot of video guest spots in the future. PM me your info.

Thats what I figured.

Big ups for helping users behind the scenes Charlie, that helps us in eservice in a big way.

Nice mix btw, lots of action and not a single scratch......
Had my interest the whole time.

On the crack users...
If I had my way, the program would be locked to a card or controller, way too sloppy with the security imo, but it's not mine to call.

The suck pill that is coming is when the crack heads have the software, the videos downloaded offline (the sites are everywhere now) and they start cutting throats to get in on the action having spent NOTHING AT ALL.
I've spent a fortune on video including throwing away decks and a V4 to go with the software. So for me its a bitter suck pill with no way to protect the investment.
Skill level will prevail in some cases, but its going to effect all of us in due time in some way or other.

r

I agree. Since the Serato age I've seen every promoter in my city turn DJ.

I like crack...

That wasn't a mix or a demo. It was just an example of a video edit that I create and play.

What's up everyone? I fell asleep did I miss anything?

Hey what's up Steel, you said it's a 1gig .avi file yet you showed how to encode from avi to mpeg4? I don't get that, are you going to use .avi or mpeg4? Anyways you look like you know what your talking about. what would be the best way for me to encode from a promo only dvd to play out in a club. I use a mac. I looked around but didn't find anything that was step by step. I don't like the way my video looks after I encode them.

Try Mac the Ripper and rip each chapter individually. Then take VOB file to Visual Hub and convert.

marknonsense1, have a read of the article on codecs and containers: www.scratchlive.net

avi is what's called a container, and containers can have a lot of different codecs in them. So an avi file might have video using the MPEG-4 codec in it, or some other codec. To confuse matters there's also a container format called mp4, which most commonly has video data using the h.264 codec inside it, but could also have MPEG-4 video data in it, or any range of other codecs.

Most commonly in an avi container the video content is using an MPEG-4 codec, but usually one of two specific MPEG-4 codecs: DivX or XVid. Both DivX and XVid are implementations of the MPEG-4 codec spec.

Confused yet? ;)

MATT G, who's on first? what's on second?...LOL

Steel saw in one of your videos that you were playing avi files, i gather that is from converting from a VOB to an avi... I have thousands of avi files but none workin video-sl, what program are you using to convert and what are the settings. Would you be able to do a step by step if you get the chance? Cheers.

Remember what Matt said.

AVI is a container format. It supports dozens of encoding schemes (codecs).

MP4 is a container format. It supports a number of encoding schemes as well.

Thanks ill have another read and see if i missed anything. Ill try that software too

honestly I did it on accident and don't recommend it. when I do a video edit I render them from Vegas Video as AVI's Uncompressed. It was those files that worked well but still aren't as good as an mp4. Basically don't be lazy and convert your videos over.

Steel i flip your mix up well just the intro hope u don't mind but check out th logo.


myspacetv.com

eye wat is the go with all that distortion... Is that ment to be like that?

YEAH...I won't rock it that long i'd go into a song pretty quick after the logo gets focused.

Strange I never thought that it was good enough to bite, thats cool. Lol