5) its AWESOME!!

6) it helps sell Serato products

7) cause there's no tomorrow

8) eight, I forgot what eight is for

9) Mix Emergency is way better that Serato Video

10) If you don't know, now you know.

10) ten ten EVERYTHING EVERYTHING EVERYTHING....

Goddammit L2daGee you broke up my little Violent Femmes moment.

You are hereby tried convicted and sentenced to a three hour discussion with (name redacted).

10) its the ten crack commandments...WHAT

Justin, if you claim to have started this thread for any reason other than to try and get a rise out of people, you're simply lying.

I thought we'd moved on from this shit but apparently not.

man that was some jammin bullshit

^I like how Justin's been bashing ME and ME users since Serato announced it would no longer be compatible. He's been trolling all over both Inklen's and Serato's forums.

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"

en.m.wikipedia.org(Internet)

10) ....and ten...the B!+cH doin it again! in the bedroom all day....and all of the night

So he's an on-topic troll then.

For a person who sold on Serato Video and VSL... You sure have a stick up your ass about ME...I mean I won't and Will not use Serato Video.. but the one thing I will not do is bash the product.. I really don't care about the development of it... I was let down long time ago and so I figure if they care about it it wouldn't took so long before they did anything about it... Nut you on the other hand seems as though you are dead set about bringing down the name of ME as a whole.. Get a grip dude... either your going to use it or your not.. Don't bad mouth the shit...L.I.G. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+1

I really hoped things had settled down.

Here's where we are:

ME 2.0 is out. People have largely accepted that it doesn't work with 2.4.1 and may never work with future versions. But they are loving the new features and looking for ways to use them in exciting ways.

SV 1.0 is also out. It lacks some features of ME, but it works, it supports Lion, it's allowing Itch users to try video, and it sounds like there is a cool secret roadmap for the future.

So why do we need to get things riled up? People can make their choice, and we can all move forward in whatever direction we want to go.

+1

Would someone with more incite on this topic PLEASE point out any points VJ Justin Allen made which are NOT true or factual.

This right here is not right. I don't care who disagrees.

and I had a buddy that was going to get ME cause he heard it was better. and is getting the 62. but no refund come on dude that's being shady.

Nick
3 hours ago



No, there won't be a refund, because as has (also) been stated multiple times, ME will not suddenly *not work* anymore, but it will continue to work with any version previous to 2.4 (and it does so quite successfully if you just had a look at other people's comments, above for example).

Where did this buddy of yours hear that ME works with 2.4 or the 62? Not on this site. Not on Inklen's site either.

Nope. he said he saw it on youtube.

he asked me about it and i said yeah it is a program called Mix Emergency and told him he had to buy serato for $199 then buy M.E for $179 but it wont work with the new mixer or if you upgrade to 2.4.

he said im not paying almost $400 for 2 video software's.

but i also found out you dont need to buy sv or sl to use M.E. told him and he was like ok but im getting the 62.

No refund is wrong at lease put a big Warning like serato does on beta that its no refund if you buy it and have a 62 or 61.

I have friends that just buy shit and learn as they go.

This thread has gone right where it deserved to go.

Well he's clearly mistaken, because he didn't.



No further comment.

nick clearly states that ME won't work with 2.4

refund not necessary if the person knows what they're getting into.

serato also states that vsl would work with pc. albeit with a lot of tweaking, it does work.

should pc-vsl users get a refund? it's stated that it will work. they even have the minimum specs posted. and most people got way better than the minimum specs. vsl didn't run smoothly and crashed often (unless you were able to hack and tweak)....but it works, right?

and on the mac side, well, it worked.

Man Justin, even to an outsider with no axe to grind your agenda is getting tiresome. Along with the similar thread on the inklen forums with snarky comments I'm failing to see a point.

but the pc do have a option to move to mac.

also no one never asked serato would they refund someone that had a lot of issues.

if you buy stuff there is usually a refund. this was asked if it new customers buy it and found out it didnt work.

Go to any store in the world and but some software and say try to take it back and see what they tell you!!!!!

Yes they did. Many times.



That's not the case. Even if someone missed the big sign on the ME page, the minimum requirements clearly state that for external control Scratch Live 1.9.2 - 2.3.3 is required.

Anyone who can't understand such clear information should probably not be allowed to use the internet unsupervised.

Both of those videos have nothing to do with 2.4 or ME 2.0.

Did you post the wrong ones by mistake?

True that. but I have friend that dont even know about this site. really.

I talk to them about problem that I see on here they have and when I help them there like WTF.

I had dj's that don't know what analyzing a file is no BS. some that's still on 1.74

Birds of a feather

Yes they do to someone that just look on youtube for video djing and finds vsl & ME or Serato and ME.

Then you read the comments and it says @jzaga053 well Mix Emergency sits on top of VSL..I just don't turn on the VSL tab...

and i'm using a 13" Macbook Pro....

So Now they like I gotta buy both.

Naw I'm solo. I look at the Questions he was asking him and was like wow he didn't just do that.

Straight up setup move to me. I would of been like yeah I would refund them.

And, that, ladies and gentlemen, is why coffee cups say 'Caution, contents may be hot' on them.

Go to any stay that sells software and they will tell you there are no refunds on software whether it doesn't work with your system or you didn't read the fine print...end of story.

Not true I took back some stuff that didnt work on mac and most recent my moms laptop (bejewled3) and got a full refund. Box wasn't open either. But im just saying some folks dont read just buy.

it's crap like this that make me and a few friends think "We should start a Dj consulting service that include software knowledge."
i am not going to get into the debate of whether refunds should be given or warnings made but your friend clearly made many mistakes.
all he needed to do was pick up the phone or speak to a trusted person with knowledge.

as the dj/vj world gets more diverse and complicated these things will happen more and more. we are already seeing it.

Moved on from what...never saying anything about ME ever again? Seriously?

When I have at least 10 DJ's call me / e-mail me in the last week and have to explain exactly how and what the relationship is between ScratchLive, Itch and ME...and why it's not working on their 62's...or confused about this process...or already purchased ME and it doesn't work...it's time to post a clear, factual statement about what the current state of affairs is.

I sent private mails to both Serato and Inklen and did not receive any answers at all...so I started the thread linked on this page to get clear, factual answers from the source, not guesswork or made-up answers like many others have done with this topic.

I have said before and will say again...all of this hiding and having others do your talking for you is amateur hour...tell the customers on both sides what is happening, post a clear statement that explains the situation, and quit taking money for a product that may or may not work down the road with ScratchLive.

It would have been so very easy for ME to have a 90 password and if the deal could not have been done in that time those customers that purchased ME could have had an opportunity to get a partial refund of their money. But there was no interest in that approach.

Screwing over uneducated DJ's does not make for good business.

i.imgur.com

so let's say i buy mix emergency.
i use the license key to unlock all the features of the application.
and let's say it doesn't work the way i want it to or how i like.
do i deserve a refund?


also, how is inklen to know i am not using the software?
if they have no idea whether or not i am using it, that sounds like a pretty good scam, to get my money back and still use the program.
based on some people's reputations, i would not put it past them.

keyword : CURRENT

inklen HAS stated that it CURRENTLY does not work with 2.4.

what will the future be like? nobody knows. this includes you, me, serato, and inklen.

only exception was nostradamus and possibly the mayans, but i don't think they were 100% either...

Seriously this Justin Allen dude, are u like 12 years old. You've already made an absolute fool of yourself....on numerous occasions on multiple forums. Geez.

what will the future be like? nobody knows. this includes you, me, serato, and inklen.

only exception was nostradamus and possibly the mayans, but i don't think they were 100% either...

How much clearer can it be Justin? At this point ME will only work with previous versions of SL. That's all that's needed to know. If you don't like it, don't buy ME. If inklen makes it work with the new versions of SL then good for them. If not, ME user will stick with what works for them, and face the fact that if they want to use the new Rane mixers or future releases of SL, they can't use ME. Very black and white. I don't see what the confusion is. I'll be sticking with 2.3.3 forever if I have to. ME is far too superior a product to give up and downgrade to an obviously inferior product in SV. When SV catches up with ME, only then will I consider using seratos video plug in. Serato is the one missing out on new mixer sales, I'm perfectly fine with my current setup, but I would upgrade if ME would work. Either way, I can still play my gigs, and make money, without SL 2.4 or SV or a shiny new Rane mixer.

+1

I may be a skeptic at heart but I sure take you at your word here.

So I did my first night at a new party last night, and the new M.E. features were a huge hit.

The promoter and the club employees had a blast.

That $199 free update paid for itself in about ten seconds.

I won't be advancing beyond SL 2.3.3 since they're trying to cut out mix emergency.

ssl 2.5 better be one hell of an update to sway ME users to SV....or buy more licensed rane products....along with SV 1.1 or whatever

Don't get me started. ;)

I could link a dozen of posts which contain factual incorrect and technically wrong statements from Bieber.

ME thread + VJ Justin Allen + DJ'Que = pure entertainment

+1 ^^

Someone grab the clubs. Theres a dead horse to beat around here.

justin allen just keeps flip flopping. posting here, posting there. taking little subtle jabs. now you say ME is better product.

really 10 djs called you up? we don't believe you, you need more people.

all you do is talk. are you real dj? let's hear some mixes. do you vj? what's your vimeo. i just want to know if you have any skills. thus far you just seem to be one of those talkers.

Watchwww.youtube.com

Only part applies this this thread is :20 to :25

Got another buddy that just ask me about me last night. He has the 57. He was asking about effects and being able to moved the video windows next to his serato wheels.

He was mad that SV is the samething as Vsl. He went on to talk about how he's tired of the same old effects in vsl/sv.

He was like I know que your a die heart serato video fan but he was like they dont even have it to where you can have you logo or name rotate, box and some other effects.

Now this guy is my homie and I dont know where he say this at maybe youtube cuz he's always on there.

But he was like he's going to get it. He said its $179 right I said no he went up to $199. He was like oh. Then said let me talk to my girl and call u back.

This was last night. Haven't heard from him yet.

This is my only video competition lol everyone else either dont do video or still on vsl.

WTF Que......vsl and sv are the same thing, both subpar plug ins.........

I think we all know that. But this cat seems to wanna keep mentioning this moot point... And I think Justin just sit at home.. starts up all this mess and beats off to the comments, because outta all the comments posted here he has made one since the thread was started and like other ones he started.. he comments on very few of them.. Stop starting shit dude for real.. What is your true point about the threads you start?

We all on this site Know that.

But Not the one's that don't ever come on here.

The Only one's that's on he I know is

DJ Ace

R-tistic

& Dj Bad

everyone else I know dont even know serato even had a Talk Forum.

The just see new shit and want it or buy it.

He's Upgraded to SV and was like WTF this shit is the samething. I'm like yeah. His exact words was this some bullshit. I just laugh.

He = Here

The = They

We need A EDIT button.

you know like they do on the Inklen site.. you know you can go back and edit your comments there right....IJS

I am not out to talk back and forth about my points....they speak for themselves. You can bash me with your little jabs all you want but you cannot disagree with the first posting in this thread...it's all fact.

You want to talk about the facts...I am all there. Anything else is a waste of my time.

And DJ Nyce...just because you say something doesn't make it true. My position about ME goes back for at least a year....both positive and negative aspects of it.

they really do not though anyone who has read through some of your post can clearly see you are just trying to stir the pot and act like a d bag....

way to follow your own advice....
serato.com

That's the mos amazing part about him (Justin).. You always start of in on direction then either you switch up or just leave it lone altogether... And you never answer any questions directed at you.. I think that's why people take shots @ you. And just like the other thread you started.. Dj didgrace just posted... Why say stop it and you continue to start basically the same threads over and over again.. What points are you trying to make by doing this? please answer that question if nothing else... What point are you trying to make?

Hey Justin. Please keep posting new threads on the same subject. The more threads you post, the more "I Love Mix Emergency" threads there will be. Or you could just do us all a favor and stop posting for a little while, or better yet, forever.

Like I said above...here's my point.

People should educate themselves as to the usability of software before they buy it.

Lack of research is the user's problem, not the software vendor. Especially when the software vendor makes it perfectly clear what is and is not supported.

Attempting to hold Inklen to some extraordinary level of user-hand-holding responsibility because of an issue they didn't even cause is about the stupidest premise I've ever read on this forum. And I've been here a long time and read a lot of stupid here.

The level of idiotic trolling surrounding this issue is already legendary.

Of course they caused it. They had almost 2 years sign an official agreement with Serato and they choose not to...and now everyone is up in arms about "how dare Serato block ME" And that same reaction has caused these boards to become the defacto home of ME questions and answers...there are more support questions for ME on these boards than on their own forums.

The seesaw it tipped so far over the ME side that anyone daring to say anything neutral about ME, much less anything negative about it...is basically ripped apart personally. Shrug, if that's the way you really think that I am at a loss as to how many of you actually function in the real world.

I now agree with VJ Justin Allen, he speaks the truth.

Niros

fixed

All I know is I just locked down a new thurs gig because the owner wanted twitter feeds onscreen and the res dj was alt tabbing between serato video and the twitter page, I showed the manager how I could use a qtz twitter feed overlay instead of the other djs workaround and boom its now a bezzle thurs, thanks ME

again speaking about things you have no clue about....and neither do I....but you make it seem as if the developer of M.e. never worked for serato, just made a plug in and threw it in thier faces offered them nothing...blah blah blah

My assumtion(AGAIN THIS IS NOT A FACT) is that when Nick and Serato parted ways he was allowed to take and use certain technologies(maybe coding that he created) as he pleased and as Serato updates and codes change he might end up locked out of some features or updates...sure he could probably fix this problem easily but the issue might be legally he is not entitled to use those codes and has to work something out first thus staying quiet and not giving anyone false hope

you trying to stir the pot is doing nothing...let thing fall where they fall and time will tell and if the dj's you and Que know are to slow to do a little research before they purchase...Well stupid is as stupid does....its made clear what m.e. works with

+1
and nothing else

I now accept VJ Justin Allen as my Lord and Savior.

LOL

I won't go that far, but I went back and read all of the post by VJ Justin Allen and realized, this guy is the man. He's a pioneer in the art of Video mixing and his words should hold some serious wait. I'm surprised he isn't sponsored by Serato yet and comes out with some tutorial videos. Actually I'm gonna send an email to the remix report asking them to do an interview with VJ Justin Allen.

Justin: if these so called :"uneducated DJs" can't read minimum system requirements, then they deserve to be ripped off. IJS

I guess that I don't see it that way. Nor do I really see the harm in getting information out there.

Isn't that the whole purpose of forums?

Yup, that is the purpose of the forums. These knuckle heads.

Didn't he have some posts to some of his video work on the boards before? I am sure Nik39 commented on his work in the past.

Besides the lack of official support by Serato what can you actually say about ME that is inferior in any way to Serato Video or VSL?

Not a thing...but of course I have also been saying that for a year or so as well.

Chris, I hope you're not trying to front on my boy VJ Justin Allen or DJ Que and myself will have to make a trip to the Bay and give you 5 reasons.

Wow!

I prob would never ask Justin for incite on anything, if I had to go by the posts of his and his work from before. All you're doing is going back and forth - over and over. The trolling around and bypassing answers that have been given is getting ridiculous. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT SERATO & INKLEN ARE IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT!!! Except for the actual people of Serato/Inklen that are involved (and yes I'm shouting that).

Everything that has been said about Serato/Inklen on this issue has been hear-say, made up or just guesses. That is all, unless otherwise spoken by a real Serato/Inklen representative. It's funny how Justin makes this thread that doesn't even need to be here. All your 4 points are found on the Inklen site. I'm sorry ... but you should not get a refund for something you buy that works, but just "isn't for you". I wouldn't expect to get a refund for my VSL/SV license that I do not use at all. But I bought it. Oh well. You learn your lessons (especially if you don't research what you're buying).

And we should ALL be professionals at this game, which means you know the tools you're buying before you buy them. A carpenter just doesn't buy a jack hammer cause it's a hammer, they buy the hammer that works for their job. Your post should say "MAKE SURE YOU RESEARCH THE PRODUCT YOU WANT BEFORE BUYING". Because it goes for everything. Just do you man. Worry about what actually effects you. Let others do the same. It's the ignorant person's fault for just going out and buying something without knowing about it. It's all on them.

You guys are tripping all over yourselves on this. LOL! You all need to go back, grab a smoke and chill. Maybe even sip on a drink. This topic is not worth all your posting Justin. If it's good for you - get it and rock out. If it's not good for you - then don't worry about it. This unnecessary posting and posting again of this subject is getting childish. Let people figure it out. If you can read, it's all there when you want to buy or try.

this is comedy lmao

PopRoxxx - Do you need me to add you to the List of people DJ Que and I are visiting. We serving nothing but knuckle sandwiches.

Everything that has been said about Serato/Inklen on this issue has been hear-say, made up or just guesses. That is all, unless otherwise spoken by a real Serato/Inklen representative. It's funny how Justin makes this thread that doesn't even need to be here. All your 4 points are found on the Inklen site. I'm sorry ... but you should not get a refund for something you buy that works, but just "isn't for you". I wouldn't expect to get a refund for my VSL/SV license that I do not use at all. But I bought it. Oh well. You learn your lessons (especially if you don't research what you're buying).

And we should ALL be professionals at this game, which means you know the tools you're buying before you buy them. A carpenter just doesn't buy a jack hammer cause it's a hammer, they buy the hammer that works for their job. Your post should say "MAKE SURE YOU RESEARCH THE PRODUCT YOU WANT BEFORE BUYING". Because it goes for everything. Just do you man. Worry about what actually effects you. Let others do the same. It's the ignorant person's fault for just going out and buying something without knowing about it. It's all on them.

+1

^ lol!!

LOL! Go ahead. This $#iT is making me go crazy like a white kid on meth. I'm hitting myself right now cause there is no one around. Hahahahahahaha!

lol!!

haha

Don't even know where you found that in this mess, but that was funny as hell

And that's what makes this a happy place, seriously.

you better trust Pop when he talks about Carpenter, he knows what he's talking about, and as his overseas cousin, so do I

Niro, do you want me to add you to the list of e-thugs that I've banned on this forum?

I don't understand how some of you have so much time to discuss the same thing over and over and over again.

But your time is your concern.

More importantly, every time these threads descend into threats and stupidity you're wasting my time. I'm over it.

I wish you guys were too.