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Re-Mapping Sixty-Two & PC Performance
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Re-Mapping Sixty-Two & PC Performance
YZ
2:28 PM - 7 March, 2012
I'm coming from a 57 and trying to remap a lot of the buttons and knobs on this thing. Looked through the manual and couldn't find out how to do it. I run Windows, can someone tell me how to do that?
Also, my laptop is an Asus "Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 / 2.0 GHz" w/ 4GB RAM and with the 57SL and the 62 if I go below the 3rd notch to the left in USB Buffer Settings I get bad drop outs. I was thinking this wouldn't happen with the 62 since it's USB 2.0 but unfortunately it does. I want to be able to get the slider all the way to the left. Is this happening because this PC is too slow?
Also, my laptop is an Asus "Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 / 2.0 GHz" w/ 4GB RAM and with the 57SL and the 62 if I go below the 3rd notch to the left in USB Buffer Settings I get bad drop outs. I was thinking this wouldn't happen with the 62 since it's USB 2.0 but unfortunately it does. I want to be able to get the slider all the way to the left. Is this happening because this PC is too slow?
Zach S
5:52 PM - 7 March, 2012
Hey YZ,
You need to check the option in the Hardware tab for 'enable midi assignments'.
From there, you can midi map anything in SSL to any of the controls on the 62 other than the side strips and the cues/loops buttons.
Even though the 62 is USB 2.0 it requires more cpu than a 57 as its streaming more audio.
Also, 2.4 may be more cpu intensive.
USB 2.0 vs 1.1 doesn't have much to do with performance.
A buffer of 3 is pretty awesome but your computer is just around the minimum system requirements.. other than having more than two gigs of ram.
If you haven't already, I would suggest optimizing your computer for music by watching these tutorials --> Watchwww.youtube.com
--> Watchwww.youtube.com
You need to check the option in the Hardware tab for 'enable midi assignments'.
From there, you can midi map anything in SSL to any of the controls on the 62 other than the side strips and the cues/loops buttons.
Even though the 62 is USB 2.0 it requires more cpu than a 57 as its streaming more audio.
Also, 2.4 may be more cpu intensive.
USB 2.0 vs 1.1 doesn't have much to do with performance.
A buffer of 3 is pretty awesome but your computer is just around the minimum system requirements.. other than having more than two gigs of ram.
If you haven't already, I would suggest optimizing your computer for music by watching these tutorials --> Watchwww.youtube.com
--> Watchwww.youtube.com
YZ
6:15 PM - 7 March, 2012
Thanks Zach, so yea I mean I did that "checked the box for midi assignments" but now what? Like how do I change the buttons to do something else? Like do I have to hit CTRL-something to get that drop-down (like on the 57SL)? I couldn't find out how to do it.
For the Performance part, for what it's worth I'm a Sys Engineer by day (non-smuggish ha). Anyhow, yea I've tweaked the crap out of this laptop. It's ONLY used for serato and has nothing else installed on it. Furthermore, I created a .bat file which will virtually kill like 40% of those unused services running, and i'll run that file before I do a gig. Having said that, will my quad-core i7 with 12GB of RAM be sufficient to pull the buffer slider all the way to the left?
For the Performance part, for what it's worth I'm a Sys Engineer by day (non-smuggish ha). Anyhow, yea I've tweaked the crap out of this laptop. It's ONLY used for serato and has nothing else installed on it. Furthermore, I created a .bat file which will virtually kill like 40% of those unused services running, and i'll run that file before I do a gig. Having said that, will my quad-core i7 with 12GB of RAM be sufficient to pull the buffer slider all the way to the left?
Zach S
7:04 PM - 7 March, 2012
As long as you have the midi assignment option checked you would midi map the controls on the mixer just as you would midi map anything else --> serato.com
But know you CAN'T remap the side strips or cues/samples buttons.
You CAN map everything else.
Also know that if you do map something else it will still retain its original function as well.
As for your new i7... yes.. I would think it would have no problem running at the lowest buffer setting:)
But know you CAN'T remap the side strips or cues/samples buttons.
You CAN map everything else.
Also know that if you do map something else it will still retain its original function as well.
As for your new i7... yes.. I would think it would have no problem running at the lowest buffer setting:)
YZ
7:57 PM - 7 March, 2012
Ok I think were not on the same page. I'm not using a midi controller. All I want to do is assign different functions to the buttons.
Are you saying all those buttons across the mixer are static?!?
Are you saying all those buttons across the mixer are static?!?
Shaun W
8:13 PM - 7 March, 2012
Any knob or button assigned to control SSL by default cannot currently be re-assigned or MIDI assigned.
Any knob, button or slider not assigned to SSL controls by default can be MIDI assigned.
Basically, the Serato software currently does not allow pre-assiged/default SSL mixer controls to be MIDI mapped/re-assigned. This is being looked into by Serato and should hopefully change in a future software release.
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Are you saying all those buttons across the mixer are static?!?Any knob or button assigned to control SSL by default cannot currently be re-assigned or MIDI assigned.
Any knob, button or slider not assigned to SSL controls by default can be MIDI assigned.
Basically, the Serato software currently does not allow pre-assiged/default SSL mixer controls to be MIDI mapped/re-assigned. This is being looked into by Serato and should hopefully change in a future software release.
YZ
8:29 PM - 7 March, 2012
Oh my god, yea guys that needs to be fixed. This mixer should be fully customizable, I'm literally in shock that I can't change the strip of buttons to my liking. Now I'm kinda stuck here with all these buttons, none of which add useful function. I don't use all 4 banks of samples, I only use 2 queue points per deck and I'm stuck with more useless buttons. What I wanted to do was NOT use a midi controller and Denso all 12 or 13 butons across to be a combo of queue points and samples.
Im really dissapppinted sorry, had I known this before selling my 57 I would have never sold it or bought this thing.
Im really dissapppinted sorry, had I known this before selling my 57 I would have never sold it or bought this thing.
YZ
8:33 PM - 7 March, 2012
Please define what I CAN remap. Which buttons, I don't need the knobs to be reassigned. I knew something wasn't right, the 57 was more custom
Zach S
8:51 PM - 7 March, 2012
You can map ANYTHING other than the side strips and cues/samples buttons.
Yes.. this is a current bummer. We're hoping to see this fixed very soon!
Yes.. this is a current bummer. We're hoping to see this fixed very soon!
YZ
9:05 PM - 7 March, 2012
The cues/side strips and horizontal strip of buttons is 99% of the damn mixer. Here I am paying 2 G's for a mixer with 92 buttons and 87 knobs and like 2 buttons are assignable!?! C'mon man. The disappointment & resentment I'm feeling right now is in-explainable. All joking aside, I really don't want this thing. It does 20% of what I want it to do and 80% of what I cannot do. The one thing it SHOULD do, it DOESN'T. I really think i'm gonna be sick.
YZ
10:25 PM - 7 March, 2012
And when you say "map" are you referring to using a "midi" controller? How do I re-assign any functions on this thing? I don't want to "midi map" anything, I don't even use a midi controller. For example, the back button... let's say i want to make that button trigger a sample... can I even do that? If so, how?
Zach S
10:37 PM - 7 March, 2012
I'm not suggesting using a midi controller. The mixer is a midi controller.
Midi map it just as you would an external controller.
You cannot map anything on the side strips.. including the back button.
You can map the Aux section and the mic section.
Midi map it just as you would an external controller.
You cannot map anything on the side strips.. including the back button.
You can map the Aux section and the mic section.
YZ
10:54 PM - 7 March, 2012
you can close this thread... I'm pretty much stuck here and have to cross my fingers for an update. I'd rather just wait then remap 1 or 2 buttons. I'm unfortunately at the mercy of you guys which is not how I like to spend 2 thousand dollars... apologies if you had nothing to do with this, just don't see for the life of me how nobody didn't see this complaint coming.
Dj Nyce
4:47 AM - 8 March, 2012
YZ i'm with you. this is a huge disappointment. i would love to hear from serato what the timeframe would be for changing this (if they will change it at all).
S4racen
2:48 PM - 8 March, 2012
This is a Serato forum, so the greatest respect to Zach for coming on here and answering... No news from Serato though after a few weeks? Imagine Musikmesse is getting the way of a lot of customer support....
Cheers
D
Cheers
D
YZ
3:37 PM - 8 March, 2012
Woke up this morning still pissed off. I appreciate any Serato employee coming on here to support us as well... that's not the issue. The issue for me is that my work flow while DJn now is a mess. (ie, Rather than having a file on a desktop to click on, there is now a folder, then another folder, then the file). Having to bounce back n' forth between cue points/samples is a major bitch for me... not only that but having the cue points set up the way they are is not my style either. At the most I'll use only 3 cue points on 1 record first off, secondly, the way they're aligned screws me up. I keep hitting the wrong buttons because #1 on the Right Deck is right in the damn middle of all the other buttons:
LEFT DECK 1-2-3-4-5 RIGHT DECK 1-2-3-4-5
My set-up (that I can't do!)
LEFT DECK 1-2-3-4-5 RIGHT DECK 5-4-3-2-1
In a whole, my entire complaint is simply because I just want my horizontal strips to be set up as follows:
CUE1-CUE2-CUE3-SP61-SP62-SP63-SP64-SP65-CUE3-CUE2-CUE1
Because they're not aligned like this I'm hopping around groups for no reason. It just baffles the crap out of me why they locked it down like this, not only does this mixer feel like I'm using someone else's gear, I look at it and just want to throw it off my balcony and that's after I start feeling sick because I dropped 2Gs on it.
Yea, at the end of the day... it will prob be fixed however we gotta wait till what... like the next NAMM so they can go "hey guys, look what we did!" when the sht should've been like that out of the box. Just my 2 cents.
LEFT DECK 1-2-3-4-5 RIGHT DECK 1-2-3-4-5
My set-up (that I can't do!)
LEFT DECK 1-2-3-4-5 RIGHT DECK 5-4-3-2-1
In a whole, my entire complaint is simply because I just want my horizontal strips to be set up as follows:
CUE1-CUE2-CUE3-SP61-SP62-SP63-SP64-SP65-CUE3-CUE2-CUE1
Because they're not aligned like this I'm hopping around groups for no reason. It just baffles the crap out of me why they locked it down like this, not only does this mixer feel like I'm using someone else's gear, I look at it and just want to throw it off my balcony and that's after I start feeling sick because I dropped 2Gs on it.
Yea, at the end of the day... it will prob be fixed however we gotta wait till what... like the next NAMM so they can go "hey guys, look what we did!" when the sht should've been like that out of the box. Just my 2 cents.
Zach S
5:35 PM - 8 March, 2012
Just wanted to comment on this.
Are you importing music from the Files window directly onto one of the virtual decks?
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The issue for me is that my work flow while DJn now is a mess. (ie, Rather than having a file on a desktop to click on, there is now a folder, then another folder, then the file).Are you importing music from the Files window directly onto one of the virtual decks?
YZ
7:51 PM - 8 March, 2012
No, that was just a figure of speech. I was just comparing the simplicity of 1-step vs 2 or 3 steps. I'll stand down on comments until I can do this with the horizontal set of buttons:
CUE1-CUE2-CUE3-SP61-SP62-SP63-SP64-SP65-CUE3-CUE2-CUE1
I'm sure this issue will only become more evident as more people are taking their 62's out of the box for the 1st time, then trying to custom map stuff where they figure out after an hour it's not possible, then they come on here and whine (like I'm doing) in hopes there will be a fix. Maybe someone spilled coffee on that memo during the design stages or something but out of the box, this this mixer should never have been locked down like this.
Like I said, standing down... I've done enough complaining for now.
CUE1-CUE2-CUE3-SP61-SP62-SP63-SP64-SP65-CUE3-CUE2-CUE1
I'm sure this issue will only become more evident as more people are taking their 62's out of the box for the 1st time, then trying to custom map stuff where they figure out after an hour it's not possible, then they come on here and whine (like I'm doing) in hopes there will be a fix. Maybe someone spilled coffee on that memo during the design stages or something but out of the box, this this mixer should never have been locked down like this.
Like I said, standing down... I've done enough complaining for now.
WhattaMac
8:02 AM - 9 March, 2012
Zach,
Why don't they just solve this problem the 68 way-- being able to change "groups" by holding a button and then press cue 1 for group 1 (defaults) groups 2/3/4 /5 user midi mapped...??
Seems pretty simple...
Why don't they just solve this problem the 68 way-- being able to change "groups" by holding a button and then press cue 1 for group 1 (defaults) groups 2/3/4 /5 user midi mapped...??
Seems pretty simple...
WhattaMac
8:02 AM - 9 March, 2012
Zach,
Why don't they just solve this problem the 68 way-- being able to change "groups" by holding a button and then press cue 1 for group 1 (defaults) groups 2/3/4 /5 user midi mapped...??
Seems pretty simple...
Why don't they just solve this problem the 68 way-- being able to change "groups" by holding a button and then press cue 1 for group 1 (defaults) groups 2/3/4 /5 user midi mapped...??
Seems pretty simple...
WhattaMac
8:02 AM - 9 March, 2012
Zach,
Why don't they just solve this problem the 68 way-- being able to change "groups" by holding a button and then press cue 1 for group 1 (defaults) groups 2/3/4 /5 user midi mapped...??
Seems pretty simple...
Why don't they just solve this problem the 68 way-- being able to change "groups" by holding a button and then press cue 1 for group 1 (defaults) groups 2/3/4 /5 user midi mapped...??
Seems pretty simple...
WhattaMac
8:02 AM - 9 March, 2012
Zach,
Why don't they just solve this problem the 68 way-- being able to change "groups" by holding a button and then press cue 1 for group 1 (defaults) groups 2/3/4 /5 user midi mapped...??
Seems pretty simple...
Why don't they just solve this problem the 68 way-- being able to change "groups" by holding a button and then press cue 1 for group 1 (defaults) groups 2/3/4 /5 user midi mapped...??
Seems pretty simple...
Zach S
6:25 PM - 9 March, 2012
Yes.. this does seem simple. Hopefully it is. A change needs to be made in the software to allow this to happen though. We have been told that Serato is working on fixing this.
Dj Nyce
7:32 PM - 9 March, 2012
thank you. now why can't serato just post that up in a simple sticky in the mixers section. it's like pulling teeth with serato these days.
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Yes.. this does seem simple. Hopefully it is. A change needs to be made in the software to allow this to happen though. We have been told that Serato is working on fixing this.thank you. now why can't serato just post that up in a simple sticky in the mixers section. it's like pulling teeth with serato these days.
AKIEM
9:06 PM - 10 March, 2012
thats exactly the way I would set mine up - well if there was an instant doubles someplace else that is not 'double clicking'
Im wondering if there will ever be a way to 'turn off' the original function of the mixer buttons so they can be freely assigned.
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CUE1-CUE2-CUE3-SP61-SP62-SP63-SP64-SP65-CUE3-CUE2-CUE1thats exactly the way I would set mine up - well if there was an instant doubles someplace else that is not 'double clicking'
Im wondering if there will ever be a way to 'turn off' the original function of the mixer buttons so they can be freely assigned.
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