Serato Video General Discussion

Talk about Serato Video and Video-SL.

NS6 + VSL

bloo 6:05 AM - 30 December, 2011
i hooked up my 1200's tonight to my NS6 and messed around w/ MIDI mapping VSL to the NS6's buttons. the mapped buttons works flawlessly. i.e. mapping the 5 cue points to the 5 cue point buttons as per itch. there seems to be a bit of noise mapping the cross fader and the channel faders.

if only the NS6 was native to SSL, i could be using the NS6's platters. i suppose this is somewhat what itch would be like if it had video capabilities. hmm...
DJ Soup 10:39 PM - 31 December, 2011
Yeah the faders don't map properly when you do it in SSL. I had use ableton to find out what the right midi controls for the faders and then replace them in the midi xml file that SSL makes. Then everytime I open SSL, I have to go into setup and load the midi file. Kind of a pain in the ass but it works.
bloo 11:21 PM - 31 December, 2011
does this happen with every midi controller w/ faders/sliders? or just the NS6?

where can i get this xml file from ableton?
DJ Soup 12:35 AM - 1 January, 2012
It doesn't happen to every midi controller but SSL doesn't seem to pick up the right midi on the faders of the NS6.

The xml file is found in your _serato_ folder when you start doing the mapping in SSL. I only used ableton to test what the proper midi control was on the faders. Then you have to open up that xml file in a text editor and put in the correct values.

Here are the values that you need to put in you xml file:

<Control name="VSL MIDI XFader" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="7" />
<Control name="VSL MIDI UpfaderLeft" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="8" />
<Control name="VSL MIDI UpfaderRight" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="13" />
bloo 9:41 PM - 1 January, 2012
thanks soup! i'll try it out.

my setup worked out pretty well last night aside from the glitchy faders.

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djBern 5:43 PM - 3 January, 2012
Hey DJ Soup, nice find!

Are you able to do anything with the jog wheels using your trick?
DJ Soup 10:44 PM - 3 January, 2012
There's no hack to get the jog wheels on the ns6 to work with SSL. This is because the ns6 sends out high res 14bit absolute data and we would need it to send low res 7bit relative data to be able to use the hack that uses jogs as deck control.

I'm using a Denon sc2000 midi control to map to the deck control and it works pretty good. It's not as good as the jogs on the ns6 but I can at least do some basic scratching with it.

We'll just have to wait until they add video support to itch. Then everything on the ns6 will work beautiful with mixing/scratching videos.
marekhus 1:08 PM - 7 January, 2012
please i need a help!! a have mac and ssl2 video al 2 and i want to mixing videos music, which midi controller supports without problem fader (music and video simultaneously)?
marekhus 2:33 PM - 7 January, 2012
a testem numark mix track pro, numark m101usb, reloop digital jckey 2 master, versadeck ...everything is maping lika play,cue but fader no! :((( please halp
bloo 5:05 PM - 7 January, 2012
Rane Sixty-Eight Mixer
Rane TTM 57SL Mixer
Rane MP4 Mixer
Pioneer DJM 800
Vestax PMC-05ProIV
phatbob 5:22 PM - 7 January, 2012
Ecler Nuo-4
Pioneer DJM-700
Pioneer DJM-900
Pioneer DJM-2000
marekhus 2:26 AM - 8 January, 2012
ok thx but this is normal mixer, my question is? Is any midi controller that supports up via a crossfader slider sound and image together?
phatbob 2:36 AM - 8 January, 2012
To get audio into the equation you need the device to be a mixer.

A midi controller, by definition, only controls midi signals, not audio.
marekhus 2:47 AM - 8 January, 2012
ok did not know, I thought may be connected with some type of midi controller, numark ns 6 or something similar, I read somewhere on the forum with some going to the connected denin dj mc 6000 and crossfader ( sound and video changes)
DJ Unique 2:52 AM - 8 January, 2012
Yes on the MC6000
marekhus 2:55 AM - 8 January, 2012
only mc6000? or any too? the price is imported for me,thx
DJ Unique 3:21 AM - 8 January, 2012
If I were you I'd wait until later this since new gear will be announced at Namm 2012.
There might be more controllers for SSL or maybe Video for Itch.
marekhus 3:02 PM - 8 January, 2012
Tomorrow check of mc6000 or work with serato sl video and I have a question for the mac are only 2 usb splitter or some usb will work again or start to have any problems?
DJ Unique 6:46 PM - 8 January, 2012
I'm not sure if a USB hub would work. I know you can't use it with your SL interface though. I use a Mac but my music is on an external FireWire hard drive.
marekhus 11:00 PM - 8 January, 2012
what do you recommend the bys me, wants to play with music videos as if, instead of configuring hardware and video sl dm 6000 buy TTM 57? how do you think?
bloo 2:54 AM - 9 January, 2012
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It doesn't happen to every midi controller but SSL doesn't seem to pick up the right midi on the faders of the NS6.

The xml file is found in your _serato_ folder when you start doing the mapping in SSL. I only used ableton to test what the proper midi control was on the faders. Then you have to open up that xml file in a text editor and put in the correct values.

Here are the values that you need to put in you xml file:

<Control name="VSL MIDI XFader" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="7" />
<Control name="VSL MIDI UpfaderLeft" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="8" />
<Control name="VSL MIDI UpfaderRight" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="13" />

i compared the info in your file vs what i have in my xml file for my NS6 and the only thing that differs is the control="x" numbers. I don't think that simply copy/paste the info above will make my NS6 faders work better. I believe that the numbers, in your case above, "7, 8 and 13" are related to your midi controller.

For my NS6, the control numbers for my "UpfaderLeft" is 51. The "UpfaderRight" is 56. I don't think that changing it to 8 and 13 respectively will work.
bloo 3:11 AM - 9 January, 2012
I did a search and I think the NS6 is experiencing the same thing the Allen & Heath Xone: 4D is experiencing according to this thread: serato.com

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Just an FYI from my emails back and forth with Allen & Heath on the crossfader dilemma:

Further to your inquiry:

When the Xone:D Series cross-faders are used as a MIDI device control, the full range of CC data (0-127) must be transmitted so that the software application recognises the correct position of the fader, relative to the MIDI data sent (i.e. 0 = Xfader @ X position/ 127 = Xfader @ Y position / 63 = Xfader centred).
In order for the response of the fader to be able to send a signal as correct MIDI data, the curve has to be set to >< (or XFADE switched OFF); once the curve control is adjusted away from this setting, the analogue response of the potentiometer is changed and the signal cannot be translated as a full range MIDI CC signal.

At the >< curve setting, because the curve from X to Y (or vica versa) is linear, the cross-fader response reduces the signal levels approximately 3/4dB at the centre point by design.
Under use with audio applications the cross-fader would be used, either as an analogue control (offering adjustment to the 'cut' setting, and giving you the kind of response you're looking for for your audio signals) OR as a MIDI controller for the virtual cross-fader of the DAW application. It would not be anticipated that it be used for both, simultaneously.

As you're using the mixer for both analogue X-Fader mixing and digital video control, I can see this may present a problem, but because of the response characteristic of the fader, this would not represent a fault with the unit, or it's function.

As far as a solution to your own issues goes, however, it may be possible to fit an after-market fader (such as the innofader, or pro-x fader) in place of the standard part to achieve the curve response you're looking for, and that will also give a liner signal for the MIDI control.
Alternatively, perhaps your VDJ software settings can be adjusted for different types of MIDI control data, or you could use another MIDI-only fader on the 4D to control the VDJ parameter instead?

I hope this helps.

Best Regards
Allen & Heath Technical Support





Zach from Rane responded on the Help forum here:

It sounds like the problem is with the contour of the fader.
The 57 used to act the same way... when you put the fader in the middle the sound would dip out a little.
We did a firmware update that changed it to how it currently works.
It sounds like Allen and Heath would have to do the same thing in order for this to work the way your wanting it to.








Not the solutions I was hoping for after spending that much money.....
Mr Wilks 12:17 PM - 9 January, 2012
Interesting reading.

I would love my Twitch to be natively supported via Scratch Live as a controller for cue points, loops and video. It's perfect. Video seems fine when mapped to it but the native support just lets it down.

Interesting read from A&H regarding the crossfader. I wonder if this problem could be affecting video for Itch? Other controllers could be experiencing this too and could be part of the reason for the delay? It makes you think that MIDI the same time as audio on some crossfaders may not be possible. The delay with the Bridge and Itch video could possibly be down to it? I could see it being a potential problem.on some
Mr Wilks 12:21 PM - 9 January, 2012
Oops... Phone posted too early!

So yeah, I could see it being a potential problem on some Itch controllers so rather release Video/Bridge for some, just not do it at all until all Itch controllers are ready.

But that could just be speculation ;)
DJ Soup 5:09 AM - 10 January, 2012
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It doesn't happen to every midi controller but SSL doesn't seem to pick up the right midi on the faders of the NS6.

The xml file is found in your _serato_ folder when you start doing the mapping in SSL. I only used ableton to test what the proper midi control was on the faders. Then you have to open up that xml file in a text editor and put in the correct values.

Here are the values that you need to put in you xml file:

<Control name="VSL MIDI XFader" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="7" />
<Control name="VSL MIDI UpfaderLeft" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="8" />
<Control name="VSL MIDI UpfaderRight" channel="1" event_type="Control Change" control="13" />

i compared the info in your file vs what i have in my xml file for my NS6 and the only thing that differs is the control="x" numbers. I don't think that simply copy/paste the info above will make my NS6 faders work better. I believe that the numbers, in your case above, "7, 8 and 13" are related to your midi controller.

For my NS6, the control numbers for my "UpfaderLeft" is 51. The "UpfaderRight" is 56. I don't think that changing it to 8 and 13 respectively will work.


Thats weird that you would have different control numbers. In that case, midi map the faders to the faders in ableton live just to find out what the correct control numbers are for your NS6.