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MIDI Controller

DJ Reaction 2:54 AM - 4 December, 2011
what is the best midi controller to use with my djm900? Switching to the pioneer from my 57 and not sure what controller to look for. I hear the M Audio UNO is good but wondering what else everyone is using and pros & cons about it. Thanks
Rebelguy 2:57 AM - 4 December, 2011
What exactly are you trying control with it? I would vote for the ipad2 with touchosc.
DJ Reaction 3:28 AM - 4 December, 2011
Nothing specific. I'm new to the video game. I just wanna play vids and do small mappings to some buttons. Pretty simple. The clubs I play at are just audio. I'm looking for something just for home use. Nothing too crazy. If I ever do clubs with video they're usually on 57's anyways.
DJ Reaction 3:30 AM - 4 December, 2011
I heard the UNO works well
DJ Unique 3:56 AM - 4 December, 2011
I've used the UNO on the DJM800 and it always worked well.
No problems whatsoever.
DJ Unique 3:57 AM - 4 December, 2011
I only mapped the crossfader to VSL though.
DJ Reaction 9:34 AM - 4 December, 2011
Thanks Unique thats what I've been hearing
tomatoslice 6:40 PM - 5 December, 2011
nano kontrol, only used when i take an extra controller which is insanely rare.

what people tend to forget is that the dicers are midi, use 'em.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 7:21 PM - 5 December, 2011
+1 on the NanoKontrol. For the money it's hard to top.
DJ Reaction 8:53 PM - 5 December, 2011
Yeah but will that midi device work to do video? My reason for getting a midi device is to do video with my pioneer djm900
popnwave 9:08 PM - 5 December, 2011
I use my DJM-800 to crossfade audio and video.
tomatoslice 9:08 PM - 5 December, 2011
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Yeah but will that midi device work to do video? My reason for getting a midi device is to do video with my pioneer djm900


yes...
but more specifically how do you want it "work for video"?
and technically you don't need a midi device at all to do video.
what do you need it to do, exactly?

as i stated before even a dicer works for video.
with ME and a dicer i can do much of the same things that most midi controllers can, even those with slider and knobs. really, it all comes down to the user and their knowledge.
Rebelguy 9:23 PM - 5 December, 2011
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Yeah but will that midi device work to do video? My reason for getting a midi device is to do video with my pioneer djm900


I am a little confused. You can pretty much map everything on the DJM-900. You stated above that "I just wanna play vids and do small mappings to some buttons. Pretty simple. " The DJM-900 should cover all that easily.

Yes the units mentioned will work with the DJM-900. How many USB ports do you have? If you are on a MBP you only have two so you are going to need a hub.
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Samuel S 10:44 PM - 5 December, 2011
Do you need help mapping your DJM-900? Let me know!

Sam.
Funkytownstopsix 9:00 PM - 6 December, 2011
x-1 the end
DJ Reaction 9:24 PM - 6 December, 2011
Nah I dont need help mapping it. I want to do video on my 900 but I was told that I need a MIDI controller to be able to do video on itt, I've been on a 57 forever so everything is new now that I'm switching to this mixer. I was told just plug and play with the M Audio UNO, All I would want to map is the upfaders, the X fader and i'll assign a few buttons to switch up the transitions and such....but yeah the main question is...was I given the correct info that I need an UNO type controller to use VIDEO SL with my Pioneer?
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Samuel S 9:32 PM - 6 December, 2011
You can use Video-SL with your Pioneer DJM900 without the need for any other controller as the mixer is MIDI mappable. You can just map the faders and any other functions you want straight on the mixer without the need for another controller.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Sam.
DJ Reaction 9:56 PM - 6 December, 2011
So just play just like I would with regular SSL? Boot up video and I'm good to go
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Samuel S 10:02 PM - 6 December, 2011
Yep that should be fine! You will need to connect your DJM900 via USB too though and MIDI map this to the Video-SL controls in Scratch Live but you shouldn't need any other controller.

Sam.
Marine 7:05 PM - 7 December, 2011
x-1
tomatoslice 8:58 PM - 7 December, 2011
can controls like video effects bypass be setup or triggered through on the DJM900?
can depth knobs be configured as well?
phatbob 9:31 PM - 7 December, 2011
Yes.
nickythedj 5:22 AM - 8 December, 2011
Ipad with Touch osc
Code:E 8:06 AM - 8 December, 2011
your DJM900 dose midi of USB.... so unless you wanna control efx with a second midi controller your good to go. anything Akai is my vote. I have an MPD32
DjBoozie 1:24 PM - 13 December, 2011
www.guitarcenter.com This is what you need to snyc the video and audio with the fader.
Rebelguy 7:15 PM - 13 December, 2011
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www.guitarcenter.com This is what you need to snyc the video and audio with the fader.


Not for the DJM-900. It has a USB port that works perfectly.
louisv14 8:13 PM - 14 December, 2011
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www.guitarcenter.com This is what you need to snyc the video and audio with the fader.


Not for the DJM-900. It has a USB port that works perfectly.


Can I use this cable as well if I want to utilize my pioneer 500 effects to control video mixing ?
Code:E 8:29 PM - 14 December, 2011
yes.
phatbob 8:40 PM - 14 December, 2011
No.

The midi ports on the EFX don't put out control messages.
Code:E 9:14 PM - 14 December, 2011
oh well take phatbob's advice.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 11:12 PM - 14 December, 2011
The EFX-500 is equipped with MIDI IN/OUT terminals for controlling the CLOCK signal of MIDI instruments. The BPM of input analogue sound signal is measured automatically, converted to MIDI-CLOCK signal, and output so that the beats of connected MIDI instruments can be synchronized.

It wont work for VSL..............
louisv14 4:36 AM - 15 December, 2011
Damn !! thank you guys for the help. I was trying to save some money. any idea which one is a good Midi controller at reasonable price
DjBoozie 12:00 PM - 15 December, 2011
123dj.com. Can't go wrong with this one
popnwave 2:36 PM - 15 December, 2011
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123dj.com. Can't go wrong with this one


Can't knock that.. simple and doesn't have a huge footprint and works as a fader well!
louisv14 7:32 PM - 15 December, 2011
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123dj.com. Can't go wrong with this one

Thanks Boozie
DjBoozie 8:58 PM - 15 December, 2011
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123dj.com. Can't go wrong with this one

Thanks Boozie

your welcome
computerjay13 7:40 PM - 23 January, 2012
What up Y'all. Great thread. Question: I use a TTM57, Vsl, and the Maschine as a midi controller. Everything's cool except this horrible lag from the Maschine(or Mpd) if Vsl is open. It's ONLY when vsl is open. When its closed it triggers fine. It also triggers fine from the TTM57. I'm thinking of getting ME for many many reasons. I just wanna know if anyone has experienced any lag with midi controllers and ME? here are my specs:
Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro5,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.93 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 6 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP51.007E.B05
SMC Version (system): 1.41f2
Serial Number (system): W89192B671C
Hardware UUID: 1BF24293-4D23-5EC0-A9DC-2BF777EF11BB
Sudden Motion Sensor:
State: Enabled

Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 512 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0647
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3437
gMux Version: 1.7.3
Displays:
Display Connector:
Status: No Display Connected
Display Connector:
Status: No Display Connected

Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCI
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0863
Revision ID: 0x00b1
ROM Revision: 3437
gMux Version: 1.7.3
Displays:
Color LCD:
Resolution: 1440 x 900
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Built-In: Yes
Display Connector:
Status: No Display Connected

Thanks
Joshua Carl 2:09 AM - 24 January, 2012
I think theres 2 misinterpreted questions here.

I THINK what he was asking was how to utilize the existing MIDI funtionality of the DJM 900 (nexus)

well, lets take a look shall we?
www.rockpalace.com
ok, so its the Old pin style midi out.
so, yeah... your going to need something in this Dept:
www.m-audio.com
I actually suggest the MIDI SPORT and not the DUO.
I bought 2, to use on 2 separate DJM 800s and they would not work.
and I know a few other people that had that same issue.

heres some more info from Pioneer about the UNO:
"You'll find several threads here on the Pioneer forums where users of the UNO have complained about it not working with the Pioneer DJMs, there is an incompatibility between the MIDI chipset used in the UNO and the signal sent from the mixer. Your best bet is to try another MIDI interface device which does not use the same chipset as the UNO."

so.... it might work for alot of folks.
it might work on the 900 vs the 800...
but KEEP YOU BOX AND RECIEPT.

the OTHER, question people were answering was what DEVICE.
I prefer the NI x-1
I thought the X2 was gonna blow my mind.... not in the least :(
phatbob 2:22 AM - 24 January, 2012
Actually the 900 outputs midi controls directly via USB like the 2000.

So you don't need any USB/midi interface at all.
Code:E 2:22 AM - 24 January, 2012
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Actually the 900 outputs midi controls directly via USB like the 2000.

So you don't need any USB/midi interface at all.

+1
Code:E 2:24 AM - 24 January, 2012
FYI i use an Akai MPD 32 and connect the MIDI out on a 800 to it and it works amazingly well. So if you in the market for a new midi controller, it helps alot to find one with a MIDI In/Out on it as well as MIDI over USB.
phatbob 2:32 AM - 24 January, 2012
I used to do the same with a Korg PadKontrol.

Killing two birds with one USB port ;o)
Joshua Carl 2:32 AM - 24 January, 2012
Im certainly not a pioneer guru.

but am I looking over the USB, MiniUSB or anything other than the 5-Pin-Style
Midi out port?
or is it with the Link Out that goes to a USB hub or something

I just dont see a standard USB slot here:
www.rockpalace.com
Code:E 2:33 AM - 24 January, 2012
cause its on the top of the mixer
phatbob 2:33 AM - 24 January, 2012
It's on the top panel mate.
Code:E 2:33 AM - 24 January, 2012
www.rockpalace.com
right next to the mic
Joshua Carl 2:34 AM - 24 January, 2012
thanks for clearing that up fellas....
thats why I love my 57,,,,,lmfao.

I call GOOSE on myself for not looking at the mixer top.
Joshua Carl 2:36 AM - 24 January, 2012
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www.rockpalace.com
right next to the mic




well.... thats a horse of a different color...
DEF have to get obne of these then:
www.belkin.com

anyone using that finding it to be an esthetic nightmare?
phatbob 2:40 AM - 24 January, 2012
I've used their hub which has that same flexible positioning. Worked fine for me.

Obviously that isn't the ideal place to have a USB sticking out but I guess it would make life easier if the mixer is boxed in at an install.
Code:E 6:02 AM - 24 January, 2012
i hated the idea of having it on top, but pioneer said its there to help with change overs between DJ's. Which is a goo point. But i ask you guys (everyone on this forum), when your at a club or party and you do a changer over during the night, do you unplug the USB cable used for the serato box? or dose the cable just stay with the box, because its a safe assumption that the cable is the box owners and should stay plugged into the box.

I think pioneer had a great idea to put it on top so its easy change over, but didnt think to hard about it. Though in there defense, platform changes (traktor to serato to rekordbox to VDJ) happen a lot and the chance that the guy before you is also using that usb port could be limited, and in a dark club when you need to plug in now, having the port on top make a lot of sense. I still dont like though.
Rebelguy 5:52 PM - 25 January, 2012
If I were in the market now for a 4 channel mixer I would take the Allen & Heath DB2 any day of the week over the Nexus. I am actually thinking about selling my Nexus and using the money to fund this purchase. And yes it does Midi over USB.
Rebelguy 5:54 PM - 25 January, 2012
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Obviously that isn't the ideal place to have a USB sticking out but I guess it would make life easier if the mixer is boxed in at an install.


Very true but if I were doing an install I would rather just make a panel with a USB connection that fed into the mixer. It would avoid wear and tear on the mixer's usb jack and could easily be replaced if it went bad.
phatbob 6:43 PM - 25 January, 2012
Sounds great, would you like to come and be an installer in the North-East UK please? You'll need a lot of duct tape and a hammer. :o)
Rebelguy 7:50 PM - 25 January, 2012
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Sounds great, would you like to come and be an installer in the North-East UK please? You'll need a lot of duct tape and a hammer. :o)


Sure...the panel would cost about $10 but add $3k for installation. Haha
Code:E 11:04 PM - 25 January, 2012
really r
Rebelguy you want the DB2? why do you think it will e better than the djm900? DO yo uplay on turntables?
I own a xone 92 and want to sell it to fund my purchase of the 900. What is drawing you towards the DB2? I looked at it and it didnt do anything for me. I LOVE my 92, you cant beat those filters, but i also DJ on CDJ2000's exclusively now, so the 900 kinda matches up for me. Any issues you have had with your 900?
tomatoslice 11:20 PM - 25 January, 2012
my questions to Code and Rebel is;
what is the appeal of a 4 channel mixer?
is it something besides the 4 channels? like the effects?
DJ JT Stevens 11:44 PM - 25 January, 2012
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my questions to Code and Rebel is;
what is the appeal of a 4 channel mixer?
is it something besides the 4 channels? like the effects?

Hope you don't mind if I chime in.

I have the DJM 800. Two channels are for my 1200's. The third I have hooked up to the AUX on my SL3 for the third deck and SP-6. The fourth channel has an RCA cable running to a dual-RCA to 1/8" jack adapter and is always at the ready to plug in my phone, tablet, etc. in case something goes completely haywire with my laptop, SSL, or 1200's.

For me it's more about backup and flexibility. I'm sure the other guys have theirs set up more intricately though.
tomatoslice 11:59 PM - 25 January, 2012
makes sense in those cases, especially a third deck. that won't work for triple mixing on a 2 channel.
the rest you CAN hook up to a 2 channel mixer but an sp-6 is not something you want to be flipping channels for.
Code:E 12:13 AM - 26 January, 2012
tomatoslice , Lots of reasons.

Yes it seems to me that 4 channel mixers tend to be more full featured in the efx department. But I own a xone 92 which i bough because it didnt have efx. When i bought it i was just getting into the club seen like 6 years ago (or more not sure when i bought it) And i didnt want to seen or heard as that DJ that relay's on efx to mix. I really wanted to build up my mixing skills and didnt want learning how to use efx to slow me down. I watched a lot of A list dj's over the years and my favorite one to watch (roger sanchez takes the cake on this one) always had track laying and building there own remixes live. and todo that effectively you need more than 2 source's. At least 1 ch for a beat, a second ch for a loop and 3rd for a acapella . Well I dont really do a ton of stuff like that when i play but i really love mixing (not just dropping with the sp6) samples in. parts i have cut out from other tracks to make my own live mashup. Now hears where MIDI controllers come in. I prefer to play on 3 CDJ2000's in HID mode. 2 CDJ's for tracks 1 CDJ has the abelton control signal loaded into it and i float my APC 40 over it. I do use ableton as a glorified sample bank, so I have tons of sounds and samples at my finger tips all the time. so that 3 channels down.
The 4th has a couple of purposes. Theres another guy in town that i play with together a lot. we dont have a system down where he plays 2 then i play 2 and so on. we just kinda mix in to each other all the time, (we both use tons of loops so we can layer over each other all the time). This guy i play with uses a ttm57 so i run his audio output into one of my channels so we can use the efx in the 800 (or 2000) on his mix also. To note hes a turntablist and no other local DJ can scratch like he can, and i dont scratch at all, so we complement each other styles well. I also really like to cue his mix in my headphones so when hes run into my mixer its easy for me todo that and its much easyer to make sure our levels match, and it allows us to have all sounds come out of 1 pair of monitors. When im not playing with him i route the SP6 sample bank to that 4th channel. I can do all of that cause i use an sl4.
But ya thats why i would never be able to 2 channel. I might be mid mix and want to drop a acapella in the mix and theres just not enough time to pull 1 rack out and find and load the acapella, its its much easier to just load it into the 3rd deck before i start the mix.
Rebelguy 6:08 PM - 26 January, 2012
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really r
Rebelguy you want the DB2? why do you think it will e better than the djm900? DO yo uplay on turntables?
I own a xone 92 and want to sell it to fund my purchase of the 900. What is drawing you towards the DB2? I looked at it and it didnt do anything for me. I LOVE my 92, you cant beat those filters, but i also DJ on CDJ2000's exclusively now, so the 900 kinda matches up for me. Any issues you have had with your 900?


Actually I want a DB4 but can't justify the cost. I have always loved Allen & Heath mixers. Their sound quality is amazing. I had a Xone 4D for a bit but it was just a hassle to bring because of the size.

As far as the DB2, the effects are amazing. They are studio quality, offer multiple presets, and are fully editable. The eq sections was pretty impressive. I am also a big fan of the input matrix as well as the midi shift which turns the whole effect section into an independent midi controller. The other cool feature is that you can link multiple X2 units to the mixer itself and then just run one cable to your computer.

It's really going to be a tough sell against the Pioneer marketing machine but such is life. I mainly purchased the 900 for rental as the DJM series is always on DJ request lists. For home use I have a DN-X1600 hooked up. I am not expecting to see the DB2 showing up in clubs anytime soon but for my personal use I think it is a perfect fit.
Code:E 7:32 PM - 26 January, 2012
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I mainly purchased the 900 for rental as the DJM series is always on DJ request lists.

+1
Thats a big reason i also want to get a 900 also.