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New TTM 57SL crossfader already "bleeding"? No way!
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the Sixty-Eight, Sixty-Two, Sixty-One, and the TTM 57SL.
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New TTM 57SL crossfader already "bleeding"? No way!
sixxx
10:12 PM - 22 October, 2007
Wtf? My mixer is only a month old or so. I have never taken it out yet and I've only been practicing at home here and there. I was practicing some double click flares and also trying to nail the delayed flared scratch this weekend and then I noticed that sometimes I would hear the left channel even though the fader was in the "closed" position.
Wtf?
This soon?
Wtf?
This soon?
sixxx
10:14 PM - 22 October, 2007
Also, I noticed that the echo got stuck in the on position and it wouldn't go off even though the B6 button light was off.
Wtf?
Needless to say I turned off the mixer and today is working OK.
Is this going to be an issue later on while I'm at a live gig? I could care about the effect as I don't use it that much but what about the crossfader acting up so soon???
Wtf?
Needless to say I turned off the mixer and today is working OK.
Is this going to be an issue later on while I'm at a live gig? I could care about the effect as I don't use it that much but what about the crossfader acting up so soon???
a-swift
10:16 PM - 22 October, 2007
This has been reported by a few people. There is a nik39 thread ( i think) that explains how to adjust it. It's not fader bleed since it's impossible for a magnetic fader to bleed. It's an adjustment, you need to pop the top panel to adjust it or send it in. I'd do it myself if I were you.
nik39
10:20 PM - 22 October, 2007
Hold echo chosen, instead of normal echo?
Yeah, as a-swift said, there is a thread (not mine however), here it is: scratchlive.net <- click. Thats the thread.
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Also, I noticed that the echo got stuck in the on position and it wouldn't go off even though the B6 button light was off.Hold echo chosen, instead of normal echo?
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I was practicing some double click flares and also trying to nail the delayed flared scratch this weekend and then I noticed that sometimes I would hear the left channel even though the fader was in the "closed" position.Yeah, as a-swift said, there is a thread (not mine however), here it is: scratchlive.net <- click. Thats the thread.
sixxx
10:21 PM - 22 October, 2007
Yeah. That's why I called it "bleeding". :)
But wow... just wow... it's BRAND NEW!!!!
I never had a problem like this with any of my Vestax mixers.
Well, I'll read up on it then.
-1 Rane.
But wow... just wow... it's BRAND NEW!!!!
I never had a problem like this with any of my Vestax mixers.
Well, I'll read up on it then.
-1 Rane.
sixxx
10:22 PM - 22 October, 2007
Hold echo chosen, instead of normal echo?
Yeah, as a-swift said, there is a thread (not mine however), here it is: scratchlive.net <- click. Thats the thread.
Nah. Normal echo. It was weird. Happened briefly. Left it going for about a whole minute while I was trying to figure out wtf.
I didn't have the computer plugged in. Just regular vinyl.
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Also, I noticed that the echo got stuck in the on position and it wouldn't go off even though the B6 button light was off.Hold echo chosen, instead of normal echo?
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I was practicing some double click flares and also trying to nail the delayed flared scratch this weekend and then I noticed that sometimes I would hear the left channel even though the fader was in the "closed" position.Yeah, as a-swift said, there is a thread (not mine however), here it is: scratchlive.net <- click. Thats the thread.
Nah. Normal echo. It was weird. Happened briefly. Left it going for about a whole minute while I was trying to figure out wtf.
I didn't have the computer plugged in. Just regular vinyl.
nik39
10:23 PM - 22 October, 2007
It is not really bleeding - it's just that the faders curve is too tight ;) Bleeding. Tight. I know what you think of.
:-P
:-P
nobspangle
10:24 PM - 22 October, 2007
Are you sure that your mixer is set to regular echo when the computer is unplugged, it's possible to have different settings computer/no computer.
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I didn't have the computer plugged in. Just regular vinyl.Are you sure that your mixer is set to regular echo when the computer is unplugged, it's possible to have different settings computer/no computer.
sixxx
10:29 PM - 22 October, 2007
Are you sure that your mixer is set to regular echo when the computer is unplugged, it's possible to have different settings computer/no computer.
Yeah. I know. I was using regular echo. Turning it on and off. Then, it was supposed to off and it didn't... no matter what I did.
I was on regular echo.
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I didn't have the computer plugged in. Just regular vinyl.Are you sure that your mixer is set to regular echo when the computer is unplugged, it's possible to have different settings computer/no computer.
Yeah. I know. I was using regular echo. Turning it on and off. Then, it was supposed to off and it didn't... no matter what I did.
I was on regular echo.
latindj
11:54 PM - 22 October, 2007
^^You Dj so bad, your mixer stays on auto echo to cover up your whack mixes! lol
Shaun W
4:32 PM - 23 October, 2007
sixxx, did you take off the decor cover and adjust the hall sensors to fixxx the "bleeding"?
sixxx
4:53 PM - 23 October, 2007
I haven't had a chance Shaun. I will take care of it sometime tomorrow. :) I'm just surprised this happened so quickly with less than 10 hours of use.
nobspangle
5:18 PM - 23 October, 2007
Chances are they were slightly off out of the factory, once they are set they should stay there. It may be that once your faders were worn in they move slightly further than they did when they were calibrated.
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I haven't had a chance Shaun. I will take care of it sometime tomorrow. :) I'm just surprised this happened so quickly with less than 10 hours of use.Chances are they were slightly off out of the factory, once they are set they should stay there. It may be that once your faders were worn in they move slightly further than they did when they were calibrated.
Shaun W
6:06 PM - 23 October, 2007
Chances are they were slightly off out of the factory, once they are set they should stay there. It may be that once your faders were worn in they move slightly further than they did when they were calibrated.
My guess exactly ^^
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I haven't had a chance Shaun. I will take care of it sometime tomorrow. :) I'm just surprised this happened so quickly with less than 10 hours of use.Chances are they were slightly off out of the factory, once they are set they should stay there. It may be that once your faders were worn in they move slightly further than they did when they were calibrated.
My guess exactly ^^
DJ Stuart (AR)
12:50 AM - 25 October, 2007
:-P
No homo.
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It is not really bleeding - it's just that the faders curve is too tight ;) Bleeding. Tight. I know what you think of.:-P
No homo.
sixxx
7:20 AM - 29 October, 2007
Go to youtube and search delayed flare scratch. It will give you tutorials and you'll see exactly what it is.
DjCK
9:39 AM - 29 October, 2007
Great posts here.. I've been using the above method for calibrating the faders since I picked up my 56 years ago. Few comments and questions here.
1. Does anyone notice that the adjustments for fader response sensitivity are not exactly linear?
For example: when mixing techno and house, naturally I set my faders to the slowest response. Full volume isn't reached until the fader is at 100%. However.. let's say you want to reach full volume a little sooner on the fader (fader 70-100% = full volume) one would set the curve adjustment slightly more aggressive.. problem is the full volume point seems to jump to about fader 50%.. and minimal volume (0-40%) is practically lost.
Maybe it's just my board? Could it be my calibration? I have no problems with immature cut-in on the aggressive curve settings, as I also enjoy my fair share of turntablism. My concern is the programming of the curve adjustments. Just seems like 0-50% volume adjustment is really only possible on the the slowest setting.. but absolute full volume is strictly at fader 100%. How can we get a sooner full volume response WITHOUT losing the critical 0-30% volume range ?
Would love it if someone could respond with understanding to what im talking about. This issue isn't that big of a deal.. but in comparison to the adjustment on the aggressive side of the curve.. one will realize that the smooth side does NOT have the same resolution (as the sharp).
2. What software does Rane use for the calibration? Could you provide a version that would work with the USB connection.. that would show calibration figures.. so we're not calibrating using strictly sound as a reference?
Thanks for reading.. and to the future responses.
1. Does anyone notice that the adjustments for fader response sensitivity are not exactly linear?
For example: when mixing techno and house, naturally I set my faders to the slowest response. Full volume isn't reached until the fader is at 100%. However.. let's say you want to reach full volume a little sooner on the fader (fader 70-100% = full volume) one would set the curve adjustment slightly more aggressive.. problem is the full volume point seems to jump to about fader 50%.. and minimal volume (0-40%) is practically lost.
Maybe it's just my board? Could it be my calibration? I have no problems with immature cut-in on the aggressive curve settings, as I also enjoy my fair share of turntablism. My concern is the programming of the curve adjustments. Just seems like 0-50% volume adjustment is really only possible on the the slowest setting.. but absolute full volume is strictly at fader 100%. How can we get a sooner full volume response WITHOUT losing the critical 0-30% volume range ?
Would love it if someone could respond with understanding to what im talking about. This issue isn't that big of a deal.. but in comparison to the adjustment on the aggressive side of the curve.. one will realize that the smooth side does NOT have the same resolution (as the sharp).
2. What software does Rane use for the calibration? Could you provide a version that would work with the USB connection.. that would show calibration figures.. so we're not calibrating using strictly sound as a reference?
Thanks for reading.. and to the future responses.
nobspangle
11:06 AM - 29 October, 2007
DjCK, this is one of the big issues people have with the 57 crossfader. Hopefully at some point Rane will provide a firmware update that changes the way the fader works or better still allows complete customisation of the curves via the software.
Here are a couple of threads where the issue is discussed in more depth.
scratchlive.net
scratchlive.net
Here are a couple of threads where the issue is discussed in more depth.
scratchlive.net
scratchlive.net
DJ A Smooth
11:29 AM - 30 October, 2007
AMEN BROTHA....
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Hopefully at some point Rane will provide a firmware update that changes the way the fader works or better still allows complete customisation of the curves via the software.AMEN BROTHA....
sixxx
9:38 PM - 17 November, 2007
Can someone tell me how to adjust the crossfader sensors?
This is what the manual says:
7. NOTE: Do not disturb the position of the small sensors at each end of the fader. If you do, make sure the parts are standing straight before reinstalling.
8. NOTE: In order to achieve the highest possible accuracy, each magnetic fader is factory calibrated for the location in which it was shipped. If you remove the faders for cleaning, make sure you mark them. This helps you put them back in the correct location.
My fader failed ONCE AGAIN live on stickam.com. I could hear the right channel when the crossfader was all the way to the left channel. I showed everyone who was in the room with my cam. lol
Thanks for the help.
This is what the manual says:
7. NOTE: Do not disturb the position of the small sensors at each end of the fader. If you do, make sure the parts are standing straight before reinstalling.
8. NOTE: In order to achieve the highest possible accuracy, each magnetic fader is factory calibrated for the location in which it was shipped. If you remove the faders for cleaning, make sure you mark them. This helps you put them back in the correct location.
My fader failed ONCE AGAIN live on stickam.com. I could hear the right channel when the crossfader was all the way to the left channel. I showed everyone who was in the room with my cam. lol
Thanks for the help.
nik39
3:56 AM - 18 November, 2007
Not sure what is unclear. You have to bend the small sensors at both end of the faders (not the stem). Not sure which direction - you have to try out. Be *careful* so that you dont break them.
Deft
11:20 AM - 18 November, 2007
Rane should put in a cut-in / lag adjustment feature - people would never have to bend the sensors etc. then, you can handle the cut-in point through software.
sixxx
8:18 PM - 18 November, 2007
That's what I was thinking. Thanks nik39. I figured that was the case when it said (make sure the parts are standing straight before reinstalling).... but in this case there isn't a very accurate way of doing this then. lol
Oh well, thanks!
Oh well, thanks!
sixxx
8:47 PM - 18 November, 2007
Oh yeah, I move all the torsion springs out of the way on all faders.... now I like it better. If feels closer to the Vestax.
I looooove the smoothness of Vestax faders.
I looooove the smoothness of Vestax faders.
nik39
9:13 PM - 18 November, 2007
I like the clicking feel of the Vestax fader, but when closing the faders and when trying crabs the audio sounds "metallic".
sixxx
6:56 AM - 26 November, 2007
OK.. so NO WHERE does it say which way to bend the little sensors. So, I messed with the one that was causing problems and it looks like it matches the other one now.
The other problem I noticed was that the torsion spring was actually touching the sensor and this could've what was causing it not to go all the way to the left. So, I moved it out of the way and it looks like it's all good.
The other problem I noticed was that the torsion spring was actually touching the sensor and this could've what was causing it not to go all the way to the left. So, I moved it out of the way and it looks like it's all good.
sixxx
6:38 AM - 27 November, 2007
djmoneyd425. Thanks!!!!!!
That's EXACTLY what I did. I was right then, and didn't even know it. hahaha
But, now I know. I'll pass this info along.
Thanks a bunch!!!!
That's EXACTLY what I did. I was right then, and didn't even know it. hahaha
But, now I know. I'll pass this info along.
Thanks a bunch!!!!
djmoneyd425
7:21 AM - 27 November, 2007
can't take the credit. i found that in another thread on this forum. glad it helped, and hopefully it taught you as much as it taught me. pay it forward bruh.
sixxx
9:11 PM - 5 December, 2007
FOLLOW THIS LINK:
www.skratchworx.com
You see the end of the spring that's UNDER the rail? That's adding tension to the crossfader. You move that piece OVER the rail and that's it. :)
www.skratchworx.com
You see the end of the spring that's UNDER the rail? That's adding tension to the crossfader. You move that piece OVER the rail and that's it. :)
Izzy
12:46 AM - 10 August, 2008
Bigs ups to sixxx and nik39 for this thread!! Just finished adjusting my fader sensor and I'm back to being a 100% satified 57. Thanks maaaang!
j cue
10:20 PM - 10 August, 2008
that shit is haaaard !!
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Go to youtube and search delayed flare scratch. It will give you tutorials and you'll see exactly what it is.that shit is haaaard !!
