hahahahaha does it even matter? They have lost the trust of so many already

I wouldn't say trust, Nak, just interest. Most people just aren't bothered any more.

well if they've lost intrest, mix emergency seems to be pickin up alot.

i have no doubt that they are working on it to some degree and i know there are upgrades especially after reading a twit that Nathan sent to me.
however, with it taking this long certain things better happen for many of us to care.

1) it needs to blow away mix emergency. why would we go back if it didn't?
2) it should use less resources.

for those that don't have the newest macs or don't trust any version above 192, you are probably screwed.

exactly

I say they lost the trust but trust is very easy to get back. look at how many times we dumped our girl only to give her another chance. then finally after so many tries we said fuck it. some even got married. I cant wait for Namm. I would like all the features that ME has plus more in vsl like karaoke (Buy I Use Kjams) split screen, effects, auto transistion, record, etc

i will believe it when I see it but for now and most likely the future Imma be usin that M.e. ish
Just Sayin...

I think it's pretty much too late. Anyone who's using ME won't go back to VSL unless there's a major wow factor and I doubt there will be.

I can't think of anything missing from ME right now, but there's a huge list missing from VSL.

I really hope the new VSL has syphon support, and i really hope its some major update like a 2.0 version. I really want to see it have a different way of displaying the video content next to the the wave forms so i dont have to keep it open... just like ME does. :p
Really hope someone from serato is reading this one. :)

you jus' killed steve jobs!!

haha.... damn

they'll probably just re brand vsl & sell it as an add on to itch & serato intro, make a load of money & to hell with ssl's dj's needs. vsl users are crying out for a proper midi controller, i'm not going to pay €1,666 for a single cdj deck it's been nearly a year since the denon mc 6000 came out & still no native support ? feckin joke !

thats your fault for buying a denon.. :p

i'm using 2 cdj 2000's + an 800 in the club i'm resident in but i wanna go do vjing on mobile gigs too, thats why i'm looking for a midi controller/ mixer. i haven't bought the denon yet but a lot of guys here in the form have & still no native support !

oh i c

I would buy the 2000's i did and there awesome :)

ya but it's crazy money for basically 2 midi controllers & if ur vjing u still need another midi controller for video efects !

Trust me i know... i think 3 cd ever have entered midi. i only use them for MIDI. and your right about another one for VSL, BUT if you go with a DJM900 or DJM2000 mixer (for even MORE money) you can midi you audio mixer controls todo everything you need.

*mine

I care if VSL gets updated as I haven't got ME yet. If VSL gets updated before I get ME, I won't be getting it. Why waste money on something if VSL can do the job. Btw, ME may have more features, but I hardly use the ones in VSL to begin with. lol

I just mix the videos and let my hands do the talking. I don't really rely on effects.

Serato should reach out to their customers and ask what we want. Make a large list of features + a few secretive ones they probably already have planned.

Now I don't have VSL, but I plan on buying it soon... I just wish it had features such as 3D Text that bounces around... Sound activated effects ORRRR an open API so that we can make our own little plugins for VSL and trade them among eachother like the FX....

I think Serato needs to hire someone to take over the video game. VirtualDJ even has a large collection of video DJs lol

They reach out 24/7 through the forum. I'm pretty sure they know what's wanted.

If you have certain 3d text you know you want, you can render a video lof it and loop it bouncing around . ( I know it's not the same but you CAN get the effect you want just maybe not how you want it)

They do have sound activated effects. I hope they add more though.
If you know enough about code, you should be able to write your own effects OR if you are on a MAC, you can write Quarts compositions.

They have a new guy there AnthonyS who has been answering a lot of questions in the VSL forum so I would think he was probably hired to deal with the video aspect of it all.

Who cares most are not even wortha second look...yes there are a few that use vdj and use it very well...but imho vdj sucks ass features and all Any day of the week I would use ssl/vsl instead of vdj and hell I dont even touch vsl anymore. I spent time with vdj when I fiirst started thinking about video(stability may have improved greatly since then but I dont really care) and it would never work just the way I wanted it to...along came ttm 57 vsl combo and bam no fucking around just install and play no crashes EVER

i'd really love if serato got there act together & came up with a plan for vsl, no update in so long.. not good enough..
i believe there will be big changes in the next 2 years in the vj market & finally updating vsl might not be good enough to keep serato on top. With vdj so popular at the moment & being bundled with so many new midi products vj's are finally using it legally bringing in serious bucks for vdj. With this money they might spend some of this in r & d giving setato serious competition.I've come up against some of these new vj's with there fisher price controllers & you tube ripped vids... after spending €1,000's on promo only disks ect setato need to announce some sort of action plan, if vdj developed a REAL pro version or Traktor added video i'm sure nearly everybody would jump ship !!
whats needed is
regular software updates for vsl....
every 60 days, it may be just tweaks but it will help, i'll pay extra for updates no problem
a better sounding more enteractive Rane TTM 57SL, with platters
& finally price ... make the new mixer/ midi controller for under €1000, it will attract more vj's into serato & burst the pioneer bubble who can charge what the like for there gear !!

Virtual DJ already have a pro version, but you'd be right to suspect they are undertaking major development, because they are.

I used Virtual DJ for a number of years doing video before SSL made it possible. One HUGE complaint I had with VDJ is that you can't save loops, cues, etc into the file itself! You are locked into their database that resides on the root of the drive of your content. Where as SSL keeps that info in the metadata tag of each file! I had other complaints but they were mainly about stability and timecode issues. It would take a lot for me to go back to Virtual DJ.

yes but the problem is guys that most of u in this form have already purchased ur sl box & vsl, that means no more money to fund much needed updates. With VDJ as i mentioned in my previous post having there software bundled with so many of the new controllers they will have the money to make a pro version of VDJ sorting out all the problems DJ-Phat-AL + more was on about... real competition for serato!!
Thats why i think serato need to bring out a kick ass controller for vsl/sl.
Times are changing everybody, b4 to be a proper vj you needed to drop 5,000 or more between gear & dvd's, your now up against VDJ users with you tube liberies who can do perfect beat matching & basic effects.
For most club owners this is enough thats why for the real pro's we need a proper controller to use vsl to the max !
To help pay for this i would have no problem paying an extra €10 for a decent plugin ect

If VSL were to be upgraded, have features added, etc, I'd pay per upgrade for sure.... But not every month. I'd pay maybe every 6 months as thats how long it should take to implement features, test, and have a release for. Anything under 6 months wouldnt be a large enough change

Flexibility has always been what VDJ is about, you can use whatever brand soundcard or controller you wish to use, Serato is the only software that "locks you in" because you have to buy their audio interface, and you're restricted on controllers and I suspect file formats. This is exactly why many of you switched to Serato - you wanted a cutdown more efficient version of VDJ.

Most of the problems that you guys associate with VDJ were ironed out years ago - when was the last time you updated and fired it up? I know you don't need to...but it makes your case outdated.

I do agree that its about time both programs stepped it up, there's still plenty to do in both camps...

I downloaded the new version and ran a quick test... still doesn't save cue points to the file, still can't save loops like in SSL, and I threw away my timecode records a while back... so I never tested it... I don't trust it. I don't use controllers, I use turntables and mixer (the 57)... so yeah not happening.

Hahaa, you use turntables but threw away your timecodes.........hmm.......

lol, i use turntables, have a final scratch box but threw away the timecodes............hmm.......


had no use for them.

So why is Fatboy Slim's video SL panel all the way to the left? Is this a new or custom version?

Double FX slots below decks make me think VSL not ME, but that is different from usual, right?

Watchwww.youtube.com

shit slim busted gotta call his ass.

I threw away the Virtual DJ timecodes!! Not SSL timecode vinyls!

use your SSL timecodes with VDJ. That what my buddy does and finds they work much better... and yes you can do that, go into the options and tell it first you are using ssl timecodes though.

I know that.. I used to be a beta tester for them. Still.. if it works for you... awesome. I am not finding it working for me anymore.

the other dj in my club users vdj & the cdj's in hid mode, it's a basic program but solid even with basic scratching on vids, if u go mad it will start to drift a bit !
getting back to the orginal thread maybe serato could throw a bit of the profits from there new intro package & buy inklen !!
at least they know what there doing !!

Trouble is they refuse to put out a PC version...same as Serato then.

Speaking to the reps at the BPM show last week VSL is deffo being worked on, as they are releasing it for itch = update for all users when it drops. They said Anthony was working round the clock on it, full time VSL. Good news!!

FUCK FUCK FUCK

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

what ridiculous bizarro world would that be a good thing ?!?

Buying their old guy back.

Please no VSL for ITCH, well maybe
Please no ME for Win. Inklen pretty much confirmed there wouldn't be one for PC unless it was a shitty version that crashed a lot

Why not, a little friendly comp never hurt anyone...........

This is good to hear...+1 for Karaoke file support (mp3gs, zipped files, kjams song dl thingy), Key change feature, record video mix function etc..

Well I'm not against it persay, more users for ME and I really don't care if a dj uses a mac or pc to dj. Hell I'd use a pc if I could to save $1000, but no ME support and don't want any issues with drivers, software etc.

hate drivers...sat there the other day with a device on a pc going "why the heck is this not working?!?"
gave up.
googled it later.
"oooh drivers, i remember those!! pc can be annoying sometimes."