hardware has already been revised once...
they revised the buttons, fader caps, and removed gain knob detent. all details can be found by searching this forum.

now is a good time to buy.

All of this stuff can be updated without needing a new mixer just using free firmware/software updates.

That's the point with the digital 57, go and buy one !! =)

No offense... but the arguement about "it can be updated" is pretty much pointless. After 1 1/2 yrs only very little has changed on the TTM57. We still cant use the Footswitch to control Efx for example.

Agree!

True, but the point of this thread is, shall I wait to buy a 57? The answer to that is no, if you want a 57 buy one now if anything is going to change it's only going to be the firmware.

I disagree.

Price will go down the later you buy, I am pretty confident. If he needs certain functions (which might have been promised for the 57) *now* he should get a different mixer cause he does not know *if* they will ever available and if then *when*.

the 57 is hands down the best mixer out there. anyone who thinks otherwise is W-R-O-N-G. It was designed to be completely updatable using simple software and firmware upgrades (as was already stated). Yes, it is possible that the price may go down 2 months after you buy it, but so far the price has only dropped $100 or so over the last year. If you're already planning on spending the money to get one of these, $100 shouldn't matter.

57 sounds sooo good. I compared it to a Pioneer DJM-800 at the club this weekend, and the 57 sound much "warmer" and have a better "punch" in the sound. The sound more "phat", hard to discribe in words but I was suprised that 57 sounded so much better than DJM-800.

Big ups for the 57!

I've always wondered as to why Rane/Serato decided to develop and stick with USB 1.1. Especially with so many people complaining about USB dropouts which is typically an issue with available bandwidth over the interface. I'm sure they want to stay compatible with older hardware (computers), but it really limits it and with adding more and more features people are demanding, including video, won't there be a need for hardware upgrades coming soon? Either Firewire or preferably USB 2.0 at some point... and that's something that you CAN'T upgrade with just software/firmware...

Sorry, but you are wrong. It has nothing to do with bandwidth issues.

I agree some of the issues described may not be bandwidth, but some can be... which is why it's not recommended to use a USB hub with Serato... limits bandwidth when daisychaining or connecting multiple devices on the same bus. I kinda know what I'm talking about in the InfoSys field... trust me... ;)

Not just some...



Thats not the issue either ;)

InfoSys?

So you're saying all USB issues have nothing to do with available bandwidth including problems with hubs and daisychaining?

Information Systems... I thought you were in the IT field as well... Full time I'm an InfoSys/Security engineer...

No. I am saying not all USB issues have to do with bandwidth limitation. Esp. I am saying most of the USB issues can not be fixed by switching to USB2.

The problem with a USB hub and daisychaining has nothing to do with USB1/2.



I am not - if it matters.



Why should video need more bandwidth on the mixer? The software is already aware of the line+crossfader positions (maybe even all fader positions). That is done via USB1.1 ;)

I didn't say all USB issues were bandwidth related... I was just making a comment to the point that USB 1.1 is way outdated and Serato would take advantage of added bandwidth when adding certain features, for example recording using the same USB connection as the mechanism. Video was just an example. And I'm sure once video is released people will be asking for a whole slew of features which will incorporate more instruction sets being sent over that same USB bus...

My whole point was in terms of latency and bandwidth availability directly proportional to speed, etc. USB 2.0 is a huge improvement over USB 1.1. You can't tell me there isn't any difference in speed... if you tell me that, plug in an external HD that is USB 2 capable and test a 1 Gig file transfer using USB 1.1 and then the same file with USB 2... that's all I'm saying...

I agree that the 57 would have benefited from USB 2.0 as it could have had more channels for recording.

However none of the problems people have with USB dropouts are caused by bandwidth. Bandwidth problems are much less subtle and usually involve the right deck completely stopping working.

That is wrong again. Switching to USB2 will make no difference for the SL1/TTM57 latency wise.

that is also wrong.... it DID withthe first usb 2.0 hubs that came out.... but now it does not on MOST hubs (depending on what chip-sets they use in the usb hub) I have one USB hub that if you plug any usb 1 device into it makes all the deviced respond as usb1 devices.. and I also have a newer HUBthat will keep usb 2 stuff running at usb2 speeds even with usb1 stuff hooked up too ( but of coarse the usb1 stuff is still usb1 speed)

The above makes sense and my post doesn't contradict anything there... A USB 1.1 hub will only provide USB 1.1 speeds even if plugged into a USB 2 port, so that makes sense. A device which is USB 1.1 capable plugged into a USB 2 hub will still only do 1.1 speeds of course... We are getting way off topic here... the thread was about waiting to buy the 57 due to the fact of a possible upgrade soon... I voiced my opinion regarding the choice of Rane to use USB 1.1 instead of USB 2 on their devices seeing as how I believe it would have been a big benefit for future upgrades, and it turned into a USB spec debate... I say squash it and let's move back on topic as this is futile...

Actually it does. You were stating that the USB dropouts had something to do with limited USB bandwith, which is not true... Anyway, back to topic.

No, you're wrong. Nuh uh, you're wrong, nah son, negative, nein!

wakka, you're wrong again. :-P Yes!!!

I have to say that it is kind of BS that they're working so hard on video for the 57 and yet have not introduced any new effects. That seems a little silly to me. Video won't add anything to my mixes or most other DJ's, but effects sure could. So how about it Rane, when are we going to see effect?

except the VISUAL effect...

Agreed... added audio effects would be awesome.

well.. we dont realy know yet what all has been added to the normal 1.8 upgrade (not dealing with the VSL add-on)

I didn't buy the 57 for video, and I suspect the majority of people that have purchased them so far didn't either. I suspect they purchased it for the same reason I did, a good quality mixer, built in SSL control and the promise of future upgrades to effects and AUDIO function of the mixer. Now it seems Rane is using valuable assets to develop video mixing and falling behind(other products) in the audio department. Does that make any sense? I want to support this product and this company but Rane please, don't fall behind in the department that this product should be leading in....AUDIO MIXING! That should be the #1 priority, not development of video mixing.

Besides, if I want to mix video, I'll use my professional nonlinear editing system. That's what I bought it for.

Rane aren't developing the video plugin that's Serato so Rane's development schedule for the mixer should be unaffected. Also I think Serato hired in new staff just to code the video plugin so Serato's development shouldn't be affected either.
No one really knows what's going to be in the 1.8 release apart from Midi and the video plugin, there could be loads of other cool stuff.


nonlinear, being completely the opposite of Serato video scratch which is for live mixing and manipulation of video.

i agree completely...all i'm saying is that the ability to conveniently mix video within the same program that i'm already using is a great idea--and a logical one at that. it's the next obvious step. i'm sure rane and serato are excited to make their money from it, and so am i!!!

wait so serato running on use 2.0 if they would of did it would not be better then usb 1.1 is that what some are saying.now thats funny.2.0 would of been better just like firewire is better.

Well 2 minor problems in less than a month.... Thanks a lot Rane.

keep in mind that accessories that require the usb 2.0 bus will often require an external power source, being 'powered' by the port wont be enough.

not true... i know of plenty of portable HDD's that are usb 2.0 and are buss powered. BUT if you have too many things you are trying to run buss powered at one time on the same USB buss then you run into problems... and you have to remember... just b/c you have multiple USB ports does NOT mean that each have their own buss. You need to find out beforhand how your USB buss system is done in your own computer.... and what internal things are running on each buss. Alot of times you will have your Keyboard and trackpad running on one of the busses that one of the USB ports is on, and the bluetooth is alot of times on one of the other busses. but its diff on each diff brand of computer... and also on diff models.

I know $1500 is a grip to let go of, but if you can, I say go for the TTM57SL. You won't regret it.