Dam nice!!!!!, So who gets to save their settings on the mixer you or the other DJ?? :), just dont tell him how!!!!! Yea the guitar center in my area does the same thing they dont recommend the 57 at all, but my friend who is a veteran dj who works there of course recommends it. He told me the reason a lot of sales people dont want to sell you one is because it is more complicated to the non computer savvy dj and they get calls and questions all day long about software they sale, and its the same for these kind of mixers. Imagine being a "personal" sales guy to 50 kids with a 57 who call you up every five minutes asking how to do this and how to do that LOL. But the DJ's in the know like your self of course pick up a 57 :)

I've worried about the same thing - what if I show up and someone has changed all the settings. How hard is it to restore factory default settings?

If you are using SSL as long as you bring your own laptop the mixer will have your settings.

Ah, well, I was hoping to avoid using my laptop, but in this light it might be the best option, just to be sure...

What about if some of the effects get changed when no mixer is plugged in, is it pretty easy to see which effects are stuck in the on position? If someone manages to store changes to the mixer itself, is it easy to restore the default settings to the mixer (with no computer plugged in)?

There are only two effects. The easiest method to use to change them is when the laptop is plugged in.



You can't use any of the Serato featured of the mixer without a laptop being plugged in. You can use the effects but you will not be able to do anything else (hot cues, instant doubles, etc.)

You should just download the manual off the rane sight and study up on it. It's not that complicated.

I forgot to add, the effect are best changed with the laptop because you get a visual representation of what you are doing.

To be honest I think it would have been a better idea to have just gone with the DJM-800. Less stress given the situation you appear to have (multiple DJs, possibilities of people screwing around with the settings and people not knowing how to fix things, not bringing your own laptop). The sound quality is pretty much on par with the Rane and you get more connectivity options.

Who got shot??

;)

I agree with Rebelguy, the 57 is a wicked mixer but it isnt really that club friendly, like you guys have pointed out and besides theres a reason why the DJM line is industry standard along with 1200s Im not trying to put Rane down, I just dont like how your so biased about your mixer and your "Victory" If you ask any Club Tech theyll tell you that a more standardized equipment is better than specific ones.

Hahahaha.. yeah, DJM's are industry standard.

Hahaha.

I completely, emphatically disagree that the DJM-800's "sound quality is pretty much on par with the Rane". Pioneer has always had some serious design issues with their mixers that affect the sound quality...though I will admit the 800 is a notable improvement over the 500 and 600 (both garbage).

But especially with the additional circuitry needed when interfacing an SL-1 to a DJM-800, compared to the direct interfacing to the 57 there is to my ears a rather huge difference in the sound quality.

That said, I do definitely wish there was an "enhanced MP-44" installation-type Rane mixer with SSL and effects built in. There are many places that need more connectivity, a master processing loop, remote master-gain access, etc. I have to think such a thing must be in the planning stages.

or an enhanced MP 2016a, that would rock

Although I will have to agree with you on the DJM-500 and 600 (sound sucks), we will have to agree to disagree on the DJM-800.

www.djsounds.com makes me want to trade in my 57 and just get the box

I think all the high-end mixers are great, and I'm glad there is more than one company out there helping us all with friendly competition. I would love to play on the *best* Pioneer, Allen & Heath, Denon, Rane, etc.

I love Rane mixers. I love Serato, and yes, I have tried Torq, Live 6, Traktor 3, etc. - Serato is the best because they don't try to do too much. SSL allows YOU to do what you do: mix records.

We previously used the Allen & Heath Xone 62 at Zimm's, and that was GREAT at first. Over the last 3+ years has taken its fair share of wear and tear, so he recommended that the owner replace it with another 62, or preferably the 92.

I would love to play on the 92, but I'm sorry, I don't see how it makes sense to use ANYTHING other than the 57 right now.

The 57 is so much more advance than any other mixer on the market, if you ask ME, and SHE DID, the only comparable mixer is the Xone 3d. Look it up, it costs twice as much, and it still doesn't compare to mixing with Live vs mixing with Serato.

With the 57 they keep it real for all you "Club Techs" out there who believe that "more standardized equipment is better than specific" equipment. Rane and Serato have done everything they can to keep it simple and standardized. If you can't work the 57 PLEASE DO NOT MIX AT MY CLUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The victory is over all that small minded thinking out there. I'm sorry, but I like it on the cutting edge, and that's what I love about my job as a DJ.

The day 1.8 and the video plugin drop I'll be mixing videos at the club, and they will thank me for not letting them purchase a mixer that would hinder so many digital capabilities.

The true "victory" was over compact discs. The only REAL change by having the TTM-57SL in the DJ booth will have on the other DJz is that it will replace the CD player with a laptop.

The funny thing is that this finally forced my friend's hand. He was against using Serato, like so many hard core vinyl enthusiasts are. I spent 2 hours with him on Thursday night, teaching him how to use the 57, and I got a message on Friday night "hey, I'm using Serato." He knew I would be proud, and I was.

Rebelguy: Thanks for the tips, but that did not answer my question. My question was simple: Is it easy to restore factory default settings, if need be. I'm sure it is, but I will do as you asked and just consult the manual. The only reason I'd need to know this is if by some chance someone other than myself completely changes the settings.

Yes, it's true, I STILL have not learned how to use the effects on the 57. I work full time and DJ part time, so I usually only spend my extra time working on my digital mp3 library. When I get to the club I just record my mixes and try to give out mix CD's to my friends. I do need to learn how to use the effects soon though, and I'm sure the tips will be easy enough to find with a few key word searches.

Rebelguy: you mentioned that a DJ would not have to bring his own laptop, thus making the djm800 a plus. Sorry, but I don't plan on using the club's laptop, I will bring my own, and every other DJ should do the same thing, imo. If they don't want to, then the club has provided one, designated solely for music (ssl) purposes. I see that as a plus for the 57, but whatever.

The only argument for the 800 is that some DJz want the option of bringing in a 3rd record. Oh well, I for one think that Rane should work on building Serato into all their mixers. There's no going back now. Record sales are down, things are changing.

ImShifty: I actually like your reply the best. This is the precise and exact reason why I felt like having the 57 installed at the club was a victory. I guess I see it as a victory over small minded thinking, but I don't mean that as an insult. So many people resist change, and all it does is leave scratch marks. Things are changing, for the better. People who said they would never use serato, and all that, are now using serato, and hopefully seeing how much better it is than compact disc. I'm not even going to touch the vinyl debate in this thread.

Anyways, I got a smile on my face, and you should too. peace

Umm..the only reason I made this comment was that you stated in your initial post that the club was providing the laptop.

"Now we have 2 brand new turntables and the 57 and the club is even keeping a brand new laptop in the booth at all times. "

I was assuming that the DJs would just bring in their external drives and plug into that laptop the nights that they are there.



Actually I am a club tech and the 57 is nowhere near standardized. If you don't own one then it is not that user friendly...especially the effects section that you yourself do not know how to use. I have been using my 57 at the club and mobile events the past 8 months or so. You don't know how many other DJs that get on to mix hit the wrong button and start songs over, toggle the instant double switch by mistake, switch to another group and don't know how to switch back. Most of the requests I have seen from guest DJs usually specify a Pioneer DJM-600 or 800, Allen & Heath Xone-92s, Rane 2016s or 56s.

I have the mixer and do think it is a great tool. It is the only high quality mixer available that combines the Serato interface and control over it for a decent price. With that being said it may very well be the dream mixer for many DJs. The addition of video will only add to this.

If I had to do it over again I would probably not buy it though. I am a mixing DJ with occasional scratching. I find the crossfader to be too short at times to get a good mix. The effects are decent but at this time are to few. Even if they have more I still feel it will be a pain to switch between them in a live environment during a high pressure situation.

There are a lot of interesting options available or soon to be available. The DJM-800 is one. You get more channels, better effects and the ability to control Serato with a Midi translator which will not be needed in 1.8. There is also the Korg Zero series. Lastly you have the soon to be released Evo 5. The thing I like about this one is that you have the option of using the stock 60mm fader or adding the eternal fader (which is just as good as the Rane 57s) if you prefer a 45mm.

You can't even choose which FX you want to use w/o a laptop running SSL.

Yes, I agree. I have also been reading the other threads on similar topics about the 57, so I understand what you are saying.

I was just upset because the owner and I had an agreement about what mixer to buy for the club, and then some guy at Guitar Center said I was wrong and that I was the only one who could use the 57 and it was basically a toy because other DJz would not / could not use its features. I'm sorry, but that is absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, you might have to learn something, but it's all in the manual and there is an abundance of great technical support available to you, so there should be no problem.

I never really used the cross fader until I started scratching more, and I had no reason to scratch more before I started using SSL, because all we really played was house. Mixing house is more in the EQ'ng, in my opinion. The EQ control on the 57 is great.

Yeah, maybe longer faders are important to some people, oh well, doesn't change my vote, because those rotary knobs that scroll through your tracks & crates, joysticks, and buttons on the 57 are so cool...

Anyways, I think Rane should incorporate SSL into all of their mixers, because I’m sure there are plenty of great alternatives coming soon, and I’m already a fan of Rane.

My first mixer was the DJM-300s, in a flight case with 2 CDJ-100’s and an EFX-500. Then I got 2 Technic 1200’s and the Rane 2016 XP & MP. Then I got the 56 + SL1, and now the 57.

There are a lot of great mixers out there, but in my opinion there is NOTHING on the market that comes anywhere even close to how great SSL, digital music, and the 57 work together…

Viva la digital revolution