Serato Software Feature Suggestions
Pitch Reset On Load
What features would you like to see in Serato software?
Pitch Reset On Load
DJ1855
6:38 PM - 9 September, 2007
I am a 100% internal user. One of my biggest problems when performing is forgeting to reset the pitch. This especially is a problem when I go from a dance set to a slow song. Let's face it, there's no cueing, pitching, etc needed for a slow song. So I come out of a dance set, load a slow song, and all I need to do is hit play. All of a sudden, the slow song isn't so slow. It really makes me look like a dumb ass.
Now, I know that with traditional CD players and turntables the pitch didn't automatically reset, but there's something about going 100% computer based (especially in internal mode) that makes the mind think that the pitch should reset to zero each and everytime. Also, if I were to use absolute or realtive, I don't think I would have this problem. Not only would I have a hands on visual, and not only is it natural to move the slider, but it's allso very fast and easy to do. However, in internal mode, finding the mouse/pad moving over to the pitch slider to move it, or even just going over to the 1X button is not a quick process.
Here's an example of when it's really problem. During a mobile event, you're introducing the wedding party to some really pumped up songs which you happen to have pitched up. Then while your introducing the couple, you are loading up their first dance. There just isn't enough time and don't have enough hands to change the pitch. There might not even be enough time to remember to do this.
My suggestion would be to give us a "Reset Pitch on Load for Internal Mode Only" option in the set-up menu. If I could have my say or pay extra money for a feature right now, this would be the one.
Now, I know that with traditional CD players and turntables the pitch didn't automatically reset, but there's something about going 100% computer based (especially in internal mode) that makes the mind think that the pitch should reset to zero each and everytime. Also, if I were to use absolute or realtive, I don't think I would have this problem. Not only would I have a hands on visual, and not only is it natural to move the slider, but it's allso very fast and easy to do. However, in internal mode, finding the mouse/pad moving over to the pitch slider to move it, or even just going over to the 1X button is not a quick process.
Here's an example of when it's really problem. During a mobile event, you're introducing the wedding party to some really pumped up songs which you happen to have pitched up. Then while your introducing the couple, you are loading up their first dance. There just isn't enough time and don't have enough hands to change the pitch. There might not even be enough time to remember to do this.
My suggestion would be to give us a "Reset Pitch on Load for Internal Mode Only" option in the set-up menu. If I could have my say or pay extra money for a feature right now, this would be the one.
DJ1855
7:06 PM - 9 September, 2007
Exactly, here's what required of that:
Take your attention away from audience.
Focus on the the screen.
Take both hands away from anything else you might be doing (mic, info sheets, etc).
Move the pointer over to the correct deck.
And the bissest problem, take your mental attention away to stop and think about reseting.
Again, I reiterate, there's something about internal mode that makes the mind work a different way. I also beleive other programs have this feature.
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CTRL+click on slider resets it to 0.Exactly, here's what required of that:
Take your attention away from audience.
Focus on the the screen.
Take both hands away from anything else you might be doing (mic, info sheets, etc).
Move the pointer over to the correct deck.
And the bissest problem, take your mental attention away to stop and think about reseting.
Again, I reiterate, there's something about internal mode that makes the mind work a different way. I also beleive other programs have this feature.
DJ1855
7:19 PM - 9 September, 2007
Also, I'm not sure if you were just trying to make me aware of a feature that you thought I didn't know existed or if you honestly think that is the solution to my problem. I would find that answer somewhat disturbing if you think that is the solution. Especially with a piece of software that is designed for club DJs where timing and speed is critical.
I'm not throwing flames. The answer just surprised me a bit. I do have to compliment you on your quick response however.
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CTRL+click on slider resets it to 0.Also, I'm not sure if you were just trying to make me aware of a feature that you thought I didn't know existed or if you honestly think that is the solution to my problem. I would find that answer somewhat disturbing if you think that is the solution. Especially with a piece of software that is designed for club DJs where timing and speed is critical.
I'm not throwing flames. The answer just surprised me a bit. I do have to compliment you on your quick response however.
smoothe
8:37 PM - 9 September, 2007
Let me ask you this.
Who in the fuck in there right mind especially at gigs dj internally?
You guys, he's a microwave!
Watch out!!!! :P.
Jk.
Who in the fuck in there right mind especially at gigs dj internally?
You guys, he's a microwave!
Watch out!!!! :P.
Jk.
smoothe
8:38 PM - 9 September, 2007
Don't flame Konix.
He's just trying to help and he's a nice guy.
He's just trying to help and he's a nice guy.
DJ1855
10:26 PM - 9 September, 2007
Great answers. You're really SMOOTH. I love the language. Let me reply to your comments.
Who in the fuck in there right mind especially at gigs dj internally?
You guys, he's a microwave!
Watch out!!!! :P.
Jk.
A very well paid professional entertainer who needs more than just some of the normal "push play" type of mobile software that is out there. I have taken controlers and reprogramed them to do specific things in conjuction with Serato. I am able to a ton more with these controllers in Internal Mode than I could ever do in Abs or Rel modes. Abs and Rel are great if you need to scratch. For me scratching doesn't pay the bills. Serato has allowed me to bring a different style of DJing to the mobile world and clients have noticed a difference.
I'm very friendly with many club DJs that are using Serato with turntables. Scratching is not something I care for just like mobile work is something they don't care to do as well. But, they have seen my set-up and some have seen me perform. After doing so, they end up having a respect for my use and abillity to use Serato in a different venue. Just like I respect them for their use of Serato.
As a Serato user I would love for Serato to become even more popular and robust than what it already is. Shunning upon those that use it in Internal mode doesn't help the team.
He's just trying to help and he's a nice guy.
Konix seems to be a really nice guy. I have noticed that his response time is impecable. He's a huge positive to the Serato community. It was his answer that threw me off. I gave him the benefit of the doubt by stating that I'm not sure what his purpose was with the response. I also complimented him on his response time. The answer he gave would have just put an end to the thread and the issue would remian unresolved. By questioning him, it keeps the thread open.
I vote no on the pitch reset.
You obviously only listen/read what you want. The nice thing about my suggestion is that your vote is not needed or wanted. A "Reset Pitch on Load (Intermal Mode)" option in the settings window would keep both of us happy. There's your vote.
Finally, let me know how your comments help the Serato community, how they were relevant, and why they were needed.
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Let me ask you this.Who in the fuck in there right mind especially at gigs dj internally?
You guys, he's a microwave!
Watch out!!!! :P.
Jk.
A very well paid professional entertainer who needs more than just some of the normal "push play" type of mobile software that is out there. I have taken controlers and reprogramed them to do specific things in conjuction with Serato. I am able to a ton more with these controllers in Internal Mode than I could ever do in Abs or Rel modes. Abs and Rel are great if you need to scratch. For me scratching doesn't pay the bills. Serato has allowed me to bring a different style of DJing to the mobile world and clients have noticed a difference.
I'm very friendly with many club DJs that are using Serato with turntables. Scratching is not something I care for just like mobile work is something they don't care to do as well. But, they have seen my set-up and some have seen me perform. After doing so, they end up having a respect for my use and abillity to use Serato in a different venue. Just like I respect them for their use of Serato.
As a Serato user I would love for Serato to become even more popular and robust than what it already is. Shunning upon those that use it in Internal mode doesn't help the team.
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Don't flame Konix.He's just trying to help and he's a nice guy.
Konix seems to be a really nice guy. I have noticed that his response time is impecable. He's a huge positive to the Serato community. It was his answer that threw me off. I gave him the benefit of the doubt by stating that I'm not sure what his purpose was with the response. I also complimented him on his response time. The answer he gave would have just put an end to the thread and the issue would remian unresolved. By questioning him, it keeps the thread open.
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BTW.I vote no on the pitch reset.
You obviously only listen/read what you want. The nice thing about my suggestion is that your vote is not needed or wanted. A "Reset Pitch on Load (Intermal Mode)" option in the settings window would keep both of us happy. There's your vote.
Finally, let me know how your comments help the Serato community, how they were relevant, and why they were needed.
Konix
10:35 PM - 9 September, 2007
Well, I was only letting you know Ctrl+click resets the pitch if you didn't know, I wasn't saying that was a solution. I would agree yes that when you load a new track the most logical thing would to be to start at 0%.
DJ1855
10:39 PM - 9 September, 2007
Thanks Konic. Again your response time is just out of this world. I have a harder time trying to reach people by phone.
What do you think is the possibility of this getting to the Serato developers? Also do you think that a selectable option is the way to go? This would take care of myself and Smoothe.
What do you think is the possibility of this getting to the Serato developers? Also do you think that a selectable option is the way to go? This would take care of myself and Smoothe.
Konix
10:51 PM - 9 September, 2007
I would say yes make it an option. If you need it, fine, if you don't, fine. But...
I assume you are using some type of MIDI controller(s) and remapped them to do stuff in SSL? Well, when native MIDI support comes out in 1.8, maybe this won't be a problem/issue.
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I have taken controlers and reprogramed them to do specific things in conjuction with Serato
DJ1855
11:21 PM - 9 September, 2007
Hey Konic,
I'm not using any midi what so ever. The are mapped/programmed via the short cuts.
I'm not using any midi what so ever. The are mapped/programmed via the short cuts.
DrStank
4:43 AM - 10 September, 2007
Way to come off as a snooty prick!
You'll be soon dismissed by the majority of the users as a holier-than-thou wedding microwave.
Shoooo!!!
Besides... WTF is Internal Mode? Relative mode all day! Now go make me some popcorn.
You'll be soon dismissed by the majority of the users as a holier-than-thou wedding microwave.
Shoooo!!!
Besides... WTF is Internal Mode? Relative mode all day! Now go make me some popcorn.
DrStank
6:08 AM - 10 September, 2007
Let's not hide behind private chat:
With: DJ1855
DJ1855 September 9, 2007, 10:40 PM
Thanks for the comment. What was the purpose?
I was trying to point out that your reply to a genuine offer of a solution from Konix was condescending. I'll refresh your memory:
Funny that you mention Club DJ's then in your next post claim that you're...
Really now? What clubs do you perform at in Rhode Island? I bet 90% of us lowly "push button" DJ's who use turntables could mix faster and with more versatility than you and your remapped controller.
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Forum · Private Discussions · Topic: Snooty PrickWith: DJ1855
DJ1855 September 9, 2007, 10:40 PM
Thanks for the comment. What was the purpose?
I was trying to point out that your reply to a genuine offer of a solution from Konix was condescending. I'll refresh your memory:
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Also, I'm not sure if you were just trying to make me aware of a feature that you thought I didn't know existed or if you honestly think that is the solution to my problem. I would find that answer somewhat disturbing if you think that is the solution. Especially with a piece of software that is designed for club DJs where timing and speed is critical.Funny that you mention Club DJ's then in your next post claim that you're...
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A very well paid professional entertainer who needs more than just some of the normal "push play" type of mobile software that is out there. I have taken controlers and reprogramed them to do specific things in conjuction with Serato. I am able to a ton more with these controllers in Internal Mode than I could ever do in Abs or Rel modes. Abs and Rel are great if you need to scratch. For me scratching doesn't pay the bills. Serato has allowed me to bring a different style of DJing to the mobile world and clients have noticed a difference.Really now? What clubs do you perform at in Rhode Island? I bet 90% of us lowly "push button" DJ's who use turntables could mix faster and with more versatility than you and your remapped controller.
DJ1855
1:16 PM - 10 September, 2007
I'm going to disregard your comments as they add nothing to the Suggested Features section. The Serato people are very busy trying to make a better product for all of us (club and nonclub DJs). The last thing they want is to come to this forum to get our suggestions and have to read through a bunch if bickering DJs' comments. Responding to you post(s) will be a waste of time for the Serato people and therefore I responded to you in private. If you'd like to continue this conversation in public, let's move it over to the general section. That's a good place for BS like this. I will also gladly answer all of your questions.
djbriguy
6:17 PM - 10 September, 2007
Besides... internal mode was originally intended for when your controllers (turntables, cd decks) failed. Why add more features to it?
DJ1855
7:06 PM - 10 September, 2007
There are plenty of guys on here who have requested a Serato controller because they say there are plenty of times were they don't need/want to carry their CD players/Turntables around. What mode did you think they would be refering to? Ans: Internal.
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Besides... internal mode was originally intended for when your controllers (turntables, cd decks) failed. Why add more features to it?There are plenty of guys on here who have requested a Serato controller because they say there are plenty of times were they don't need/want to carry their CD players/Turntables around. What mode did you think they would be refering to? Ans: Internal.
Shaun W
7:29 PM - 10 September, 2007
OK, everyone chill out!
If you don't have anything constructive to add to a feature suggestion, then I suggest keeping your mouth shut and go about your day.
DJ1855, I think your suggestion is quite valid. Peronally, I would like to see it implemented.
MP4 users are required to use INT mode exclusively and this feature addition makes perfect sense.
To reiterate, please do not post in a feature suggestion thread if you're only intent is to talk shit.
Have a nice day :)
If you don't have anything constructive to add to a feature suggestion, then I suggest keeping your mouth shut and go about your day.
DJ1855, I think your suggestion is quite valid. Peronally, I would like to see it implemented.
MP4 users are required to use INT mode exclusively and this feature addition makes perfect sense.
To reiterate, please do not post in a feature suggestion thread if you're only intent is to talk shit.
Have a nice day :)
dj luis
7:53 PM - 10 September, 2007
i wasn't thinking about posting on this topic until i read the posts so far; and, as far as i am concerned, i'm on 1855 side;
a few good reasons for that:
1st, i've been using the internet for no less than 18 years by now- and i've seen many forums and read thousands of posts- 1855 states very well: if your post is not going to help, then don't post in the first place- enough rubbish is typed and there is absolutely no need to spam some more; i could almost bet he's not using the internet for just 5 or 6 years...
2nd, he's a member of this community and uses the same program that we all do- he just gives it a different use; because he doesn't use turntables or cdjs and doesn't need to scratch, doesn't mean he should be bashed by that- come over to where i play and do 10seconds of scratch and you'll see the dancefloor clearing completely- just because you do like it doesn't mean that everybody else needs to- i hate scratching- i'm such a microwave right ?
(speaking about internal/microwave...)
4 weeks ago the club next door (which belongs to the same group) saw both mk2 with problems- i was djing with 3 mk3s but one wasn't working so well... the denon (dual-cd) they had for replacement wasn't working properly and although there was 2 turtables there was only 1 good needle- the guy had absolutely no vinyl (who uses it nowadays anyways?) so i put one mixtape on the more-or-less working mk3, ran to a nearby club because i know my mate had the control vinyl, send the two good mk3s to the other building- i can't dj at all with internal mode and i was playing hiphop/r&b/tribal- i'm old school- i need to feel the plater so i hooked up the turntable, called the manager and said "absolutely no requests tonight" and start using just one turntable (if you want to know, yes: i did 4 mistakes while switching decks)- that was almost 12 at a saturday night with both clubs getting packed- i didn't want to stop/play the tunes... bless the extra toilet reading and the 10min practice i had to use the switch mode and my thought at the time: "i'm never using this.. way too complicated"...
i am a microwave because i used internal, ain't i ?
it makes sense to put the pitch to zero: it wouldn't make sense to have it automatized in the turntable or the cdj- but in the program it really makes sense; i don't know if i would use it once i would be using just abs or rel modes;
internet used to be civilized; it isn't great the way it evolved to a monkey business and see people braking ethic conducts and show high levels of disrespect; but, hey: this is a dog-eat-dog world, right ?
my 2cents...
: )
a few good reasons for that:
1st, i've been using the internet for no less than 18 years by now- and i've seen many forums and read thousands of posts- 1855 states very well: if your post is not going to help, then don't post in the first place- enough rubbish is typed and there is absolutely no need to spam some more; i could almost bet he's not using the internet for just 5 or 6 years...
2nd, he's a member of this community and uses the same program that we all do- he just gives it a different use; because he doesn't use turntables or cdjs and doesn't need to scratch, doesn't mean he should be bashed by that- come over to where i play and do 10seconds of scratch and you'll see the dancefloor clearing completely- just because you do like it doesn't mean that everybody else needs to- i hate scratching- i'm such a microwave right ?
(speaking about internal/microwave...)
4 weeks ago the club next door (which belongs to the same group) saw both mk2 with problems- i was djing with 3 mk3s but one wasn't working so well... the denon (dual-cd) they had for replacement wasn't working properly and although there was 2 turtables there was only 1 good needle- the guy had absolutely no vinyl (who uses it nowadays anyways?) so i put one mixtape on the more-or-less working mk3, ran to a nearby club because i know my mate had the control vinyl, send the two good mk3s to the other building- i can't dj at all with internal mode and i was playing hiphop/r&b/tribal- i'm old school- i need to feel the plater so i hooked up the turntable, called the manager and said "absolutely no requests tonight" and start using just one turntable (if you want to know, yes: i did 4 mistakes while switching decks)- that was almost 12 at a saturday night with both clubs getting packed- i didn't want to stop/play the tunes... bless the extra toilet reading and the 10min practice i had to use the switch mode and my thought at the time: "i'm never using this.. way too complicated"...
i am a microwave because i used internal, ain't i ?
it makes sense to put the pitch to zero: it wouldn't make sense to have it automatized in the turntable or the cdj- but in the program it really makes sense; i don't know if i would use it once i would be using just abs or rel modes;
internet used to be civilized; it isn't great the way it evolved to a monkey business and see people braking ethic conducts and show high levels of disrespect; but, hey: this is a dog-eat-dog world, right ?
my 2cents...
: )
WarpNote
1:16 PM - 29 April, 2008
As an option, this could be a nice addition to the software, I Agree. After all, it could leave users with the need for less keystrokes during a set (esp. those nights when needles/decks fails), and that would be a good thing, I think.
Personally I prefer vinyl in REL mode. However I do some outdoor events where its not feasible to bring decks. For those gigs I normally bring a midi controller. I'm using an AKAI MPD24, but any kind with both triggerpads, slidefaders nad knobs will probably do.
DJ1855, I'd strongly recommend getting a controller, as it will leave you with a lot more time to focus on pitch, song selection, the crowd and anything else for that matter. Keep doing your thing and stay strong :D
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...My suggestion would be to give us a "Reset Pitch on Load for Internal Mode Only" option in the set-up menu....As an option, this could be a nice addition to the software, I Agree. After all, it could leave users with the need for less keystrokes during a set (esp. those nights when needles/decks fails), and that would be a good thing, I think.
Personally I prefer vinyl in REL mode. However I do some outdoor events where its not feasible to bring decks. For those gigs I normally bring a midi controller. I'm using an AKAI MPD24, but any kind with both triggerpads, slidefaders nad knobs will probably do.
DJ1855, I'd strongly recommend getting a controller, as it will leave you with a lot more time to focus on pitch, song selection, the crowd and anything else for that matter. Keep doing your thing and stay strong :D
DJ1855
12:16 AM - 8 May, 2008
Hey Warp,
Thanks for the support in this issue. I actually use 2 contour shuttles and am absolutely in love. It gets tricky when using two identical shuttles at the same time but getting them to control separate decks. I absolutely love them. They aren't midi, but just about everything Serato has to offer or that I need is programmed on them. They are just the right size too. I actually love them so much that I had to switch back to PC because of them (you can't connect two shuttles to a mac and have them perform different functions). The response time on them is great. The combination of these controllers and Serato has made me a very happy DJ.
The only thing missing is a pitch slider. I wish the Serato programmers jumped on here once in a while and gave us some feedback as to whether things are possible, being considered, etc.
Thanks for the support in this issue. I actually use 2 contour shuttles and am absolutely in love. It gets tricky when using two identical shuttles at the same time but getting them to control separate decks. I absolutely love them. They aren't midi, but just about everything Serato has to offer or that I need is programmed on them. They are just the right size too. I actually love them so much that I had to switch back to PC because of them (you can't connect two shuttles to a mac and have them perform different functions). The response time on them is great. The combination of these controllers and Serato has made me a very happy DJ.
The only thing missing is a pitch slider. I wish the Serato programmers jumped on here once in a while and gave us some feedback as to whether things are possible, being considered, etc.
WarpNote
5:11 PM - 10 May, 2008
Thats all good. I Know what you mean, I believe they read most forum threads, however, I think they are more restrictive to what they comment on, as they don't wanna be promising anything they can't deliver. As I understand they are a still a quite small company and needs to prioritize?
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...I actually use 2 contour shuttles and am absolutely in love.... I wish the Serato programmers jumped on here once in a while and gave us some feedback as to whether things are possible, being considered, etc.Thats all good. I Know what you mean, I believe they read most forum threads, however, I think they are more restrictive to what they comment on, as they don't wanna be promising anything they can't deliver. As I understand they are a still a quite small company and needs to prioritize?
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