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programming the crossfader cut/curve/slope etc

earwolf 9:27 AM - 9 September, 2007
havent read through all the messages but have just one question:

is is possible, or ever going to be possible, to edit the 57 crossfader cutoff points, cutoff degree and slope acceleration? it's digital right and there's a usb port - direct computer connection? and a universal binary editor app?
nobspangle 3:29 PM - 9 September, 2007
I'm sure that one day it will be possible. As you have noted digital mixer so anything is possible it's just a question of waiting on Serato and Rane to develop the software/firmware to make it possible.

I would love this feature, not so much for the crossfader as I'm happy enough with that, but I would like to adjust the line faders.
Dizz 10:06 AM - 11 September, 2007
Yeah +1 on the line faders
Come on Rane/ Serato!!!
DJ Cykophuk 1:34 PM - 11 September, 2007
+1 on the crossfader
maydo 3:24 PM - 11 September, 2007
+1 on all faders
waiting so long for this feature
DJ Smooth B. 11:06 AM - 13 September, 2007
the same problem like split cue, we are waiting..... waiting....
DJ Cykophuk 1:20 PM - 13 September, 2007
Someone smarter than me (which covers alot of ground) could write a program with a nice GUI to set the fader perameters with a firmware update. Perhaps, if this person were to work with Serato/Rane to get the source code for the firmware on the device and SSL, or just get some advice on how to make it easy for Serato/Rane to make it work with the 57 and integrate with SSL once the GUI is done, we could have this pretty quick.

I don't have the skilz...but I'd bet someone here does.

Anyone up for a challenge?
AdamJay 6:32 PM - 13 September, 2007
something like that would really take this mixer to the next level.
nik39 10:28 PM - 13 September, 2007
And could probabyl screw the mixer if done wrong. I dont think this just something easy as "lets patch this table of fader curve" otherwise Rane had finished it doing it by themself.
DJ Vega 9:10 PM - 17 September, 2007
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something like that would really take this mixer to the next level.

+1

Rane/Serato, PLEASE give us the ability to customize the slope for all faders!
ABM 9:12 PM - 17 September, 2007
+2
grrillatactics 11:16 AM - 18 September, 2007
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the same problem like split cue, we are waiting..... waiting....


So true. Split cue and user adjustable/definable fader curves are the two things that top my list for this mixer.
earwolf 6:51 PM - 18 September, 2007
so Serato - any word on when this might surface? seems to be a healthy demand
DJ Vega 2:08 PM - 26 October, 2007
Serato - any word on being able to adjust the slope of the faders?? This is really becoming a deal-breaker for me. If there are no plans to implement this feature into the software, I think I'll have to sell my 57 and buy a 909. I love the convenience of having Serato built into the mixer and only connecting a usb cable to my laptop, but I just can't get used to these faders! Please let us know one way or another... Thanks!
maydo 2:30 PM - 26 October, 2007
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Serato - any word on being able to adjust the slope of the faders?? This is really becoming a deal-breaker for me. If there are no plans to implement this feature into the software, I think I'll have to sell my 57 and buy a 909. I love the convenience of having Serato built into the mixer and only connecting a usb cable to my laptop, but I just can't get used to these faders! Please let us know one way or another... Thanks!


+1
DJ Cykophuk 3:48 PM - 26 October, 2007
work around: incoming channel slider at 75% for start of mix, crossfader gets to 33%, they raise the channel to bring in strong, then finish crossfade...oh, with crossfader slope about 33% from left.
DJ Vega 4:15 PM - 26 October, 2007
Nice tip Cykophuk, and that works well, you're right. It's just that all DJ's have different styles of mixing, and it seems obvious to me that the ability to customize the slope of all faders should be made available to us. I would just like to know one way or another...will this ever be implemented Serato? If there is not enough demand for this feature, I completely understand. I just need to know if I should keep waiting...
Dizz 2:10 AM - 27 October, 2007
+1 vestax style line fader curve!!!
Come on Rane!!!
D
grrillatactics 3:58 PM - 27 October, 2007
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the same problem like split cue, we are waiting..... waiting....


So true. Split cue and user adjustable/definable fader curves are the two things that top my list for this mixer.
DJ Vega 7:03 PM - 1 February, 2008
Guys, any update on this issue? Are we ever going to be able to customize the slope of the faders?
dj krisp 8:25 PM - 1 February, 2008
it would be dope if it had the same idea that the pioneer 909 has i love how the faders are so adjustable on that mixer!
just a thought!!!!!
DJ Vega 10:05 PM - 1 February, 2008
Krisp, I hear ya man. I have a 909 as well...the ability to set the slope exactly how you want it is definitely a plus. I'm a mix DJ and my mixes sound much smoother on my 909. I just can't adjust my style to the 57...I've always used Pioneer mixers and never had to deal with that annoying 3 dB dip. I really wish that they would fix this issue and give us the ability to set the curves however we want. **fingers crossed**
earwolf 2:39 PM - 3 February, 2008
this has been FOREVER coming. i mean i appreciate that they are off chasing new markets etc, but don't renege on your original core supporters who considered this promised option a deal-maker
ABM 10:04 PM - 4 February, 2008
I wonder is this comment taken from Vthe ideo-SL Beta Release Notes will apply to this topic about the curves of the audio fader?

scratchlive.net

Known Issues that will be fixed in Scratch LIVE 1.8.1:
...

- Contoured fader support
The Scratch Fader has been improved. Properly contoured faders will be a feature in VIDEO-SL 1.1 and Scratch LIVE 1.8.1

....
Dizz 1:52 AM - 5 February, 2008
And the up faders too please!!!
:: )
ABM 2:28 AM - 5 February, 2008
ditto Dizz
ABM 5:13 AM - 25 May, 2008
www.skratchworx.com

check what Korg has done with the fader curves.

I am wishing that Rane would release such a feature for their faders.
nobspangle 9:06 AM - 25 May, 2008
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www.skratchworx.com

check what Korg has done with the fader curves.

I am wishing that Rane would release such a feature for their faders.

That's exactly what Rane need to release for programming fader curves.
maydo 10:53 AM - 25 May, 2008
dont have hope no more ((
nik39 11:17 AM - 25 May, 2008
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Coming with the Zeros is the Zero Edit application. This, amongst other things, allows you to tweak the fader curves on your computer. Zero Edit communicates with the mixer to establish the model and then reads the settings already installed on the mixer. You can define your own curves for the crossfader as well as each line fader. You can also define the curve for one line fader and then apply that to all faders. These settings can be saved, recalled and applied on the fly as long as you have your computer at hand.

It works by allowing you to adjust 2 points - the mid and top cut points. The top cut point is the full volume setting as can be saved permanently to the Zero4. The mid point however can be saved and applied to the the Zero4, but doesn’t survive if you adjust the curve control. The crossfader curve can be applied but neither the top or mid points survive a turn of the control. Still, it’s a pretty cool option to use if you like that sort of thing but out of the box, the curves are really good anyway. If you look at how other 4 channel mixers are served fader wise, you’ll see that the Zero4 is bringing more to the table than ever before. And for completeness, the crossfader curve by default is pin sharp on/off with around 1mm of lag - fine enough for even the fussiest of DJs.

Nice one.
ABM 3:05 AM - 27 May, 2008
Maybe a certain manufacturer should poach a developer or two from another manufacturer? ;-)
grrillatactics 6:50 PM - 14 June, 2008
The multi-year wait for this feature (as well as split cue and effects that are actually intuitive to use) is really starting to wear this old fella down...
DJ Cykophuk 6:57 PM - 1 August, 2008
well...sadly...I think its time to find my next mixer. I no longer need the control deck of the 57, sound cards are cheap, video is OK but I'm not sprung over it and I'm tired of putting up with this crossfader curve. I had my TTM54 for over 10 years...my 57 is getting replaced in a year...weak.

Maybe they could make it up to me by releasing an MP44-SL2-Rotary.
nik39 1:38 PM - 2 August, 2008
:-/
2FAST4U 4:10 PM - 14 August, 2008
you can move the sensors inside the mixer. just bend them a little to suit your cut off point
2FAST4U 4:13 PM - 14 August, 2008
there are 2 sensors right outside the xfader that can easily be knocked out of wack. I found this because mine must have taken a hit on a plane. when i got it to the club and tested the fader curv had changed dramatically. i took of the 4 screw and seen the sensors. i played music through each channel and moved the sensors to where I wanted the sound to cut in. easy to do
DJ Cykophuk 5:41 PM - 14 August, 2008
Thanks for the suggestion 2FAST4U. I'll take a look to see if any adjustments will help. The point on the fader is not nearly as annoying as the fact that with the crossfader set to provide good levels at the mid point, the volume of the track at the cut in and cut out points comes in/drops out too rapidly. When I get a nice slow fade in at the edges, both songs drop out too much in the middle.

The most infuriating part, is that if they bothered, this seemingly could be fixed with a firmware update. I'm guessing one coder dedicated to fixing it, would spend less that 1 hour to make it happen. But instead, they spend countless hours to incorporate an inferior (compared to other systems) video product.

Its almost 2 years since this thread was started. I take that as Rane/Serato essentially saying "fuck you" to mixers (djs who mix). I don't think this issue will ever be addressed, so I'm ready to move on to a DN-X100 and be done with expensive mixers. This will be one of those times in life that I look back chuckling and say, "yeah $1200 for a mixer...what was I thinking?" I better sell this pig before Mixmeister makes Serato obsolete.

venting over...thanks for reading.
Dj Ohh 7:44 PM - 27 August, 2008
Don't see any moderators on this discussion!!
ryansupak 3:03 PM - 6 October, 2008
Would love to be able to get slower fader curves out of the 57. The curves seem even slower than those on the 56...Rane, should I not hold my breath? :)
ryansupak 3:04 PM - 6 October, 2008
"slower" should have read "faster"...oops.
ABM 12:24 AM - 20 October, 2008
amen!
DJ TLS 12:59 AM - 20 October, 2008
+1
djcharles 3:25 PM - 27 October, 2008
We already found out that the once advertised multi-tracking (with using SSL on the 57) was not possible after over a year of silence form the Serato mods.
Now i can only imagine that split-cue and programmable fader slopes are next in suite.
I'm still really happy with my 57 but apart from having SSL in the mixer, it has lost a lot of its relevance now with midi controllers, better effects on other products (namely on the pioneers)...
I'm not gonna go through the list, that's another post.
But please Serato, answer our cries for the features a lot of us have been asking for years.
maydo 7:03 PM - 27 October, 2008
theres no ray of hope for that ))
TheMasterOfCeremony 9:47 AM - 1 November, 2008
There's no "Ray" of hope for Dj "Charles"

---> Cheeky, i know but did you get it ?

^^