Why didnt you just get pioneer CDJs?? The CDj 850s weight like 7 pounds each. The 400's have native control, full midi you dont even need control CDs. Ive been using my homeboys CDJ850 almost every week now and its perfect for serato. I use one CDJ only with instant doubles. It takes me a few minutes to setup, easy.

Vic it's me it's not going to work sorry. TTs forever bro and damn you buy a lot of gear. Tell me what think when you get the ns6. I gotta make it to the VI I wanna see what all the daggering is about

You know I was highly highly debating the CDJs.... but when combined with a mixer and coffin, You have to understand that clubs in the Virgin Islands are different from in the USA. Space is always an issue down here since you'll find that 5 to 6 sometimes even 10 DJs will perform in a night. Alot of times you'll be asked to move or remove your equipment to make room for a next DJ. With my Technics, only a few DJs in the VI know how to use them. The rest look at them like something out of a museum. At this point, one solid piece with a power source that can be set up and broken down in a matter of seconds need be is beneficial....

The main selling point for me with the CDJ 850 was the lack of Native Support... :-( Almost as if Pioneer was like.... F**k you... buy the 900/2000 or deal with the small jog wheels of the 400.... :-(

lol. Whenever you ready Remy. Let me know. And yes.... the list goes as follows....

Technics 1200 M3D
Stanton STR-150s
CDJ 800
V7
NS7
VCI300
Torq Xponenet
Torq Connectiv
SL3
SL2
SL1
and now the NS6..... lol I'm like a equipment whore....

more power to you man. i have a VCI as a last-ditch emergency backup but i hate spinning on it. SSL>Itch by far. Plus, actual mixing on a controller is a no-go. the pitch resolution isn't acurate enough. that leaves auto sync. i might as well quit DJing if i get to that point. i'll probably lug the 100lb + coffin for the rest of my career. if i am doing 4 parties in one night, i'll hire someone to carry my gear for me.

I know what you're talking about but I can not get used to the feel of a cd player or a controller.

I love the feel of the turntable. If I do multiple gigs (which is once a month) I use just one turntable and the 57 mixer. With that set up Im good.

^ this, isnt the NS6 the one without a booth out???

This right here. It's very easy to do instant doubles.

lol @ the hire a crew to carry equipment.... I should have thought of something like that. 15 bucks or free admission to the club for the few to help me out.

The size of the 400s is the same as the new pioneer controllers for itch and traktor, that DDj series. Thats what Id be looking at over a numark. Also the NS6 has non moving platters so the size is really irrelevant IMO.

Also I think a big mistake is having everything in one coffin. Both my technics are in their own case. Same with my mixer. So really if space is problem you should think about that. That would solve the space dilema. All you would need is a laptop bag, one CDJ/turntable and a mixer.

@sureshot, explain pitch not acurate enough?

Im on my ns6 right now. I want to understand.

Depends on the situation really, cases def make it easier on the back and more maunavorability, but me personally i put a coffin on a keybard stand, it saves space i dont have and also cuts down the setup time down to nill, all i have to do is plug in 1 cable and im up and goin

I have a double on sat and the time the ns6 cuts down for me is so worth it.

It definitely cuts down on the setup time, but as far as space, no way. A big ass coffin is not the best thing. Its heavier and not easy to transport. I know cause I have one. I gave up on for that reason, its sitting in my basement.

My 57sl and one pioneer CDJ takes up the same space.. less actually than something like an NS6/7. I get the benefit of using serato and can still pull off close to whatever I normally would with turntables.

what does that have to do with space, what im saying is where i spin theres no room for a table so i have a coffin on a keyboard stand, that takes up alot less space then a big folding able would that i would have to use if i had seperate cases

Well you said its saves space, but it doesnt. For you its just easier because there is no table. Now if you have a table or booth like most of us its easier to travel and setup with separate cases IMO.

which one takes up more space, a table or a keyboard stand?

pardon me for not doing my own research, but can any of these small, mobile friendly controllers be used with serato (not interested in itch)?

i too am getting real tired of dragging around turntables and cdj's are mighty expensive, and still pretty big and heavy.

thanx.

One of the best controllers for serato now in terms of size, function and price is the pioneer cdj 350/ 400, IMO
Scratching- www.youtube.com
Native mode, no CDs- Watchwww.youtube.com

When itch goes to 2.0 you might be more interested in a controller. Id say be patient

...gotta say it but +1...i think SL has big plans for itch if you look at where it was and where its going

nope, it's got a booth out. might want to check out Gizmo's review. it's educational

the pitch is digitally controlled (obviously) and depending on the pitch range you selected... i'll quote Giz's review: 'ITCH offers pitch ranges of 8, 16 and 50% with somewhat rough resolutions of 0.02, 0.04 and 0.1%. I say rough as it can vary by a little bit. There's also pitch bend that shifts by a seemingly infinite amount, but still offers good nudge control if you've yet to succumb to auto sync. "

pretty close but not as close as analog. the NS6 may be one of the better controllers from manual mixing. my VCI-300 is a lost cause. you can get pretty close but you're not riding out a tricky mix for 16 bars. controllers have auto-sync for a reason.

weight aint no issue for me, im not going to give up my techs for anything.

why the ns6 over the pioneer ddj-s1?

For me it was...

Pioneer DDJ-S1
- Made mostly from plastic
- Looked fragile
- Small Platters

Numark just looked like a better build. 4 channels. and bigger platters.

also 4 channel VS 2 channel

The NS6 is a solid unit. I would have picked it up if it was released earlier. I opted for the DDJ-S1. Best investment I have made in a long time. It make look fragile but the thing is a beast.

Not sure about the turntable accuracy over digital. Digital does not have to deal with the wow and flutter of analog. Watch your pitch in Serato. You can see it constantly fluctuating with turntables.

you really cant use the "digital vs analog" pitch argument to say a TT is better than a controller sing the techncs M5G grandmaster is a digital based pitch

Even though the NS6 is cool, I'd never invest my money in Numark aka "Poomark." When the NS7 first came out people said "it's the next big thing!" now it's considered old and dated. Even the V7's which just came out last year are now considered old. The CDX's were the latest and greatest thing during their release but now you can't even resell them.

Numark has done a good job at marketing the NS6 and building hype but their track record speaks for itself. I'd rather invest in a Pioneer DDJ S1

+1

You'll see alot of NS6s on craiglist next year..

Old and dated to you perhaps, but isn't that more a comment about the insatiable hunger for new shiny tech than anything else? The market is under the 4 channel spell right now, thus anything 2 channel is perceived as a bit last year. The NS7 and V7 are not really old at all. I suspect that many people see iPhone 3GS as ancient, but it still does just the same job as it always did and is totally current in that respect.

Product life cycles are so short these days because of technology. How long before USB devices are classed as ancient when people scream to make use of Thunderbolt ports on their new macs?

It's all about perspective.

Really on craigslist, Ive done 6 shows with my ns6 now and its a beast Numark may have had a bad track record but with this they built a beast. Ive used denon and technics for 20 plus so i no good and bad products and the ns6 is built to last period. I love it.

Really on craigslist, Ive done 6 shows with my ns6 now and its a beast Numark may have had a bad track record but with this they built a beast. Ive used denon and technics for 20 plus so i no good and bad products and the ns6 is built to last period. I love it.

Really, just like the NS7 and every other product Numark comes out with. A lot of newbie DJs buy their stuff only to sell it later for something better. The same stuff people are saying about the NS6 is the same stuff they said about the NS7.. its a beast, built to last, the truth, etc. Numark has a good price point lets face it. If they were the same price as Pioneer which would you choose? Id go pioneer all day!

I could careless about any of there other products. I didtn use them and wouldnt. Like i said 20 plus years of techs and denon and pioneer so i get your point. I just no ive been using it since june 1st and no complaints. Its been a beats so far

for non video shows its perfect. Easy, durable and ready to do.

I have a ddj-s1 and actaully like my ns6 more. Just my opion.

I wish my GC was more DJ centric, they dont have half this stuff and the stuff they do have isnt hooked up, kinda hard to know what you like with no hands on experience

@bezzle, for sure but i can tell you bezzle for a club gig or bar gig this thing is bult like a tank. I have a rane ttm57sl and denon 3700s and techs and this thing feels just as well built

i have no question about the buld quality, im just really ...(not sure what the word for this is) but i need to click with my equipment, it kinda like avatar when they used their dreds to bond with those brid dragon things, like i went to GC and thought the NS7 looked dope but touched i threw one song on it and said nah this isnt for me, then they have a Kontrol S4 not even on, touched it one time and said ya can use this, its all about the feel of how the track is thrown and how the wheels move, im really intuitive on my equipment.

Ya this is the first numark product ive trusted or liked for sure. I get your point. I just hope people get to try it because its worth it for sure

I havent touched my ttm or my techs since i got it lol lol lol

I never thought i would like a product without active platters. Until this thing. The precision i can mix with this things it nuts. The wheeels are so amazing.

If you really look at it though (not tying to diss so just read, breathe, comprehend) its kinda stupid for anyone to invest in a controller tright now, we are living in the beta age of controllers, were the crash test dummies, and these things are going to be refined and streamined SOON, it kinda seems silly to drop cash on one now when these companies are getting feedback and adding, fixing, improving what all is needed in the product.

I guess its a technics mentality but it kidna seems stupid to adopt these until a gen or 2 go by and they are what we really want. (unless you really need it now)

I feel ya. its the first ive bought and im sure they will progress like anyhting else for me doing 4 or 5 shows a weekend its easy to break out and be out to my next show quick. I have dance cubes , lights, stages, tons to break down to get to next show so this is a huge time saver but i see your point for sure

To be able to stand here and in itch record a perfect 40 minute mix like its nothing is all good for me. I like the record option in itch. very handy

Sure i can. i don't use M5Gs. I use MK5s.

honestly, almost every venue i play has someone available to me to help me load in gear. sure my coffin is 125+ lbs but i haven't carried it on my own in years. when i don't have help, i use a hand truck with 10" wheels to climb stairs and load in. plus i drive a Honda Element with a low tailgate so loading and unloading is easy. i would never let weight be a deciding factor. but with all that said, i'm interested in trying the NS6. might upgrade my backup when the price comes down on them. especially with Itch 2.0 on the horizon. if they add smart crates, it would be alot more usable for me.

they 10's but i keep em clean lol

On the real though how well do those things handle stairs, because i play on a 2nd floor and i usually just leave all my ish there since its such a pain to transport that coffin but i would love to start bringin my ish home but i cant always rely on someone being avaliable to lug that hug coffin up and down the stairs to and from the club then again to and from the hizzy

Thats why you need a controller bezzle. lol lol

Sure I can still use it. Regardless if it is digital or not all the technics 1200 turntables have the same wow and flutter spec. Check the panasonic website. I have used the 5Gs many time and you still see the pitch fluctuating.

Personally I hate unplugging my setup at home and bringing it back and forth to gigs. I used to be against controllers until I actually spent some time using it. I've messed with the pioneer one and don't like the feel of it so I'm getting the ns6 since it's a good price.

Those people are that are hating on controllers are probably the same people that hated on serato when it first came out.

I have my ns6 at work and being able to bang a mix out at lunch is really nice. Even after 20 years still love to practice and this thing makes it even better.

is anyone looking to sell a ttm57? i wanan get one but i dont have $1400 just laying around so ya hit me up of anyone is thanks DJPULSE!

Buy a used one

Numark does a good job at releasing New Stuff but they dont cultivate hard core followings for their products like Rane, Pioneer, and Technics. They'll release something new shiny and cool then abandon any support for the owners of the "old stuff."

guitar center has some for $900

You can find them on ebay these days for 900-1000 sometimes even 800ish

DOH!!!!


The comment was acutually in reply to the earlier assertation that the controller wasnt as good as a tech because it had a digital pitch, i was just clarrifying that even some techs have a digital pitch

i NEVER find them on ebay that cheap

ps if you are gonna spend $1000 on a 57 just save up an extra

and get a new one

DAMN forums...ps if you are gonna spend $1000 on a 57 just save up an extra $100

^ that + ^^

Ya for that much get a new one. Worth it just for support and warranty part

I had to use my 57sl as a controller in the past for a about 3 months. Its the main reason I got the keyboard layout. Pitch, Pitch bend, looping, cue points, all on there. I was button mashing like crazy lol. It works, but I never felt as quick as using a stand alone player.

Serato itch is looking a lot more like Serato... it will be interesting to see what happens with all these new controllers coming out.

I got my 57 for $900 off ebay last year and it had a minor issue with the upfader curve. I called Rane and they fixed it and refurbished the whole mixer for free.

what power strip do you use to have all 3 sockets (2 TT and mixer) permanently plugged up together and still make it fit in the coffin? I've been looking into this myself but there isn't much space under the 57SL or or top.. there's some but not much. If this is possible, all I would have to plug is 1 power cable and 1 audio out. I would need at least 6 plugs though.. 2 TT, 57, lappy, small fan, wireless mic.

the cart makes it REALLY easy to take the stairs. you've still gotta figure out how to fit the coffin in your vehicle.

??? it's not hard to find a surge protector that will fit in a coffin if you've got space. take some measurements and hit the hardware store. i have a 5-slot that fits behind my right TT. it runs power for both TTs, mixer, wireless mic and laptop. i'm sure i could have squeezed a 6 space in there but didn't need to so never tried.

Ok..... Tonight has really been my last gig with my 100 pound plus coffin.............. Can't wait till my NS6 gets here....

I guess if I was playing in one spot all night but I move to as many as 4 different clubs in a weekend, not including radio station......

My back and my knees are cursing at me now.

I sold my Korg Zero4, and replaced it w' the NS6.....smartest thing I've done in years!

I LOVE this controller! I've got my SL3 & M5G's hooked up to it. The output is sooo clean & loud w' ITCH, ScratchLIVE, & Vinyl. The jog wheels are the ABSOLUTE BEST I have ever laid my hands on.....I had Pio CDJs....sorry, but they don't hold a candle!

My girl has the DDJ-S1, and though I like it, it doesn't even compare to the quality the NS6 has to offer. LOL, I couldn't believe I actually purchased another piece of Numark kit. Last time I did that was in 1997, but the really outdid themselves this time, and I couldn't be happier.

Now if Serato could just make ITCH a little more like SSL......

Ns6 looks dope but I already know I'm not gonna use all the features buy I like the idea of 4 channels to layer up some sounds and keep some drums going and drop some acapellas. If I get the ns6 I will be using autosync you might as well if your gonna be running a few tracks at a time.

@black, couldnt have said it better myself.

You hit the nail right on the head! Its all about the software being improved at this point. This piece looks and feels solid. I am just a bit sketched out about what itch 2.0 is going to bring to the table and how stable it will be. I don't think I can't wait that long to purchase tho. For the guys who advocate this piece: do you notice that the effects on not on par with ssl? I played with it yesterday and it seemed to operate like the first update that included effects in ssl.

Can't agree with this more. I'm 20+ years now on Technics and know controllers ARE the future, but IMO not a single one of these manufacturers has hit a grand slam home run (yet). Sure, there are some solid doubles and triples out there, but none of them have been able to nail it for the professional market. The current crop of NS6, S4 and DN-MC6000 are leading the pack and getting close, but every one of them has dropped the ball in at least one or more areas.

Patiently waiting for the SL-1200 equivalent for digital world replacement with cash in hand. Frankly, I don't care what it costs, just make it proper (which begs the question: when the Hell is Rane going to throw their hat into the controller ring).

truf! best part of a rane controller is they could make it work with SL instead of itch, add in the right features and DING DING DING DING

I swear I've had dreams (yes REAL DREAMS) about an all-in-one RANE controller that has SL built in and allows TTs/control vinyl to be connected AND internal control of virtual decks if/when the user wants to operate like Itch.


Geez, reliving this dream is depressing.

An all in rane controller! Now that's a game changer. Add a technics platter and call it a day

I agree with the last posts. A Rane controller would be killer.

For now I think im gonna cop the ns6. The revolution has to start somewhere

I've been begging for that since ITCH first dropped.



I did, and love it....but would still prefer a controller that let me use my Turntables if I wanted. Having the NS6 allows me to hook up my SL3 & Techs to it, so at least that's something. Yes, I think controllers are the future, and can't wait to see what the future has in store. My guess is that the traditional mixer is going to be replaced w' something like the NS6 for all companies. Bring it on :)

The biggest problem I'm having with the NS6 is that there is NO CUE METERING. Unbelievable, but true. I don't know why Numark did this or how they expect users to visually adjust gain trim without it, but it may sadly turn out to be a deal-breaker for me.

^ Yeah, I thought it wouldn't be that big of a deal, but it's starting to piss me off to be honest. ^

Surely, Y'all can implement the (1) side for Cue Meter / (1) side for Master meter suggestion.

Do it, and do it quickly!

I know, I'm hoping it won't be a big deal either, but it's proving to be a real pain the ass with TTs connected to it and trying to visually manage 3-4 sources in the mix (and you know how wildly gain varies on vinyl). I have this NS6 for a week trial run and I'm trying desperately to for in love with it, but now I don't know. Most everything else about it is spot on. Would like to know what Numark was thinking here. Surely it couldn't have been forgotten. FML, WHY CAN'T JUST ONE OF THESE MANUFACTURERS GET IT 100% RIGHT?!?!?! :facepalm:

You shouldn't have to try and fall in love with something it should just match for you. This is the reason why I still use tables nothing has really got my attention the last controller I tried was xponent

Agree 100%, but need one for certain gig scenarios.

I got this made and I love it.

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Dig that ish right there! Who did you get to make that and what was the price point on a custom kit like that?

Odyssey made it, $350. Originally they quoted $450 but they hooked it up on the price because they are local and I went down there and made buddy buddy with the sales people and the owner.

Dang..not cheap! Thats the price of one that fits 2 turntables….hmmm

That's dope mike I think ima get me one now

Anyone who gets rid of thier Technics is......JUST AN IDIOT!!!

agreea

+ 1

speaking of which, I am going to be selling a pair of technics sl-1200 customized, message me for more details (i have two pairs,keeping one)

I wish you well with the NS6. The revolution started a long time ago and is still going strong with the 1200 and it will be up to us DJ's to keep it going. But if you're going all out with controllers, than you step up to this controller

www.youtube.com

It's way lighter than the NS6 and way easier to set up and I'm sure someone will come up with App like pandora for it soon.

Is this your attempt at sarcasm, Niro?

Kinda and kinda not. I'm not sure, I support people's decisions to use what they tools they want to do their craft, but I would like to also point out what tools of convenience leads too. Convenience is a double edged sword. Making the craft of DJing convenient allows an easier entrance to the DJ game from equipment to music. If we keep searching for the most convenient and loose the art form, so will others (clubs, events, people in genteral.) I know a lot of wedding and some club DJ's are already being replaced by Ipods. You know what, I'm not going to Hi-Jack this person's thread. I've already stared a Turntables Forever thread. I will continue there.

I like I said, I wish you well with the NS6.

S

Dope!!

Turntable are on life support...

What is the Artform? I say the Artform is having impeccable taste in music. So too is it, the creativity to blend....knowing when to bring it in, and when to take it out. It's like all these Ableton (for lack of a better term) DJs.....there's no beatmatching involved, and believe me, I've heard more shitty Ableton Jocks than good ones.....why? Because they lack the artistic expression I outlined earlier. I'm sorry, but knowing how to adjust a Pitch Fader, a Spinning Platter, or Needle Dropping aren't the prerequisites for artistic creativity. Mixing is mixing...regardless of the medium.

Bare in mind that I have been mixing on Technics 1200s, then 1210M5Gs for the past 15 years. This is my first stab at automation of any kind. But honestly, I see no difference between the two when it comes to the creative part of DJing, and I guarantee those on the dance floor would agree with me.

An iPod doesn't have years of artistic creativity under it's belt. Nor does it have the experience of knowing the perfect time to engage effects, then take them out. Perhaps w' Pop40 music, there is a threat of software being able to replace the DJ.........I don't know, but w' Underground Dance Music.........NOT A CHANCE!

It's too expressive, it requires a right-brained being to manipulate it.

Agree with me or not, I don't care anymore.

lol at basically saying a DJs job is being the FX person




ya there is absolutley no way that software will replace a DJ in a musical genre where almost all tracks are within a few BPMs of each other and designed speciffically to be mixed together. /sarcasm

True story, Sat night im spinning early in the night, the owner comes in says hey then before she walks off goes "OH ya by the way i was gonna ask you about something, i made a major purchase today, i bought an IPAD and the major selling point was that I can use it to dj, think you can show me how that works." I said i didnt know but its apple so im sure there will be a very easy to use button somewhere.

FACEPALM

Yo Mr. Basic, was the price high because of the color?? I would most definitely buy one of those if they sold them.

You're such a dick, Bezzle....and wrong to boot!

Where did I say that a DJ is merely an Effects Control Operator? I won't stand for you belittling my comment like that. There is an art to blending...not just matching the tempo, but actually blending two tracks to form one piece of musical expression!

Have you ever heard a DJ engage Effects to the point where they actually sound like they're part of the song? Probably not, if the DJ was playing the latest Pop40 Garbage that the Music Industry tells you is hot at the moment. Pop40 is garbage, and those who play it are trashing the very concept of Expressive Djing.



You want to talk about Dance Music as if it is elementary, well, what is HipPop but a very elementary loop repeated over and over again? You know, I've been on this forum for going on 6 years now, and there is one dividing factor that I don't EVER see changing anytime soon.....Hip.Hop versus Dance Music DJing. You know, I love Hip.Hop, and there are still some DJs that keep the genre relevant. But in recent years there has been an up crop of mediocrity when it comes to producing it. Hip.Hop isn't the dynamic genre it once was...the majority of the tunes out there today are total shit! Still, the same can be said of watered down Electro House garbage...to me they are opposites of the same coin. I guess that's why we've seen the two genres melding together recently.....they're both produced to appeal to the lowest common denominator!

The way I see it, there are two types of DJs: those of us who love Crafting Mixes...Getting Deep into the art of Blending, Phrasing, EQing, etc.., and those who get off playing the latest garbage, content with Matching the Beat, Slamming it Over, Improperly Effecting it, and Repeating this process over and over again throughout the night.

I'll admit to changing one admission from my previous post.......it is "unlikely" that software will be able to Read a Crowd, Sample Loops on the Fly, or Effect a Break, Buildup, or Breakdown. I changed my comment to "unlikely" from "never", because obviously no one can predict the future of Artificial intelligence. Perhaps there will be fully automated machines that can track motion via cameras placed around the dancefloor, where the A.I. will be able to determine whether a song is getting a favorable response or not...but who knows? At this point it's irrelevant.

True musical expression comes from years of dedication; practice, and creativity.



I think it's funny that you didn't even touch upon this comment...probably because (whether you want to admit it or not) you know it to be true ;)

Bezzle was a breaks DJ before he started doing top40... jussayin... ;)

lol still am at heart the top40 just pays the bills...thats why i was giggling maniacally while reading his post :)

ive been very well known when given ANY slack to take a quick left turn durring the night fly up to 140 and make a run for it lol

I too used to play Breaks quite a bit back in the day. So what's your opinion on the current state of Breaks? All the producers I used to love, have been watering down their tunes just like The HipPop, & Electro-House producers. Dance Music is in a sad place right now. In the past, I used to want the mainstream to grab onto the Underground, but now that they have, they've brought it it down to such an infantile degree, that I wish it would go deep underground again. I'm sure it will eventually.

Whatever, that was sooo off topic...don't bother answering that if you don't want to.

this!




I used to be hardcore breaks because all the music had soul in it, it was full and thick and well if not over produced. Its kinda like the vinyl vs cd argument where with vinyl you had that warm analog sound that was lost to compressed digital files. I feel when EDM went from the analog studios of some of the great producers, to focusing on every aspiring DJ pirating fruity loops, dling a drum kit, and scouring the net for brandnew hiphop pellas or older dance vocals it went downhill, all of it is sounding the same, it all sounds cheap, digital and soulless, and all of it sounds like it was produced in a hurry to just get the name out there. I knew it was a lost cause when i would go to sites like tommywho records and all the new added tracks where paint by number remixs to whatever hiphop came out that week. When you see the breakbeat remix of the track come out before the release of the original then you know no thoughts being put into giving it life. Its like bounce music in nola, just because you put the triggerman claps over a song dosent make it a bounce classic and kinda like whats happening with dubstep, now you log into any pool to get that weeks new ish and this is what you get

lil wayne - yall still buyin this shit? (single clean)
lil wayne - yall still buyin this shit? (single dirty)
lil wayne - yall still buyin this shit? (accapella)
lil wayne - yall still buyin this shit? (inst)
lil wayne - yall still buyin this shit? (obnoxious dubstep remix)

And what sucks is with breaks, dubstep, house ect there is still great music being made, but since DJs now feel that the only way to leave their nest with DJing is to produce the pool of crap you have to dig through to find the gems is ridiculous. You gotta listen to 200 shitty songs just to get a good filler track.

Production tools are just to damn openly avaliable, before when you had to drop thousands of $$$s for a dope synth your average college dorm jock wasnt gonna run out and cop that unless he had some solid musical knowledge, now every 18 year old with a macbook pro and a drug habbit thinks hes icey.

The one cool thing about breaks though is since the genre never really exploded all of the big named artists ive met have been cool as hell. Ive opened for baby ann, doc roc, 3BBs, sharaz, 303, trashey, kicked it with jackal, hyde, monk, scratch D, and with the exception of trashey and baby anne all of them were easily the coolest and most down to earth people ive ever met.

hahaha....sooo true!

Though those weren't the artists, nor the sub-genre I necessarily preferred, from my own experience in dealing with them, Doc Roc, Jackal & Hyde, & (most of all) Monk were some seriously cool kats. My town used to be VERY Breakbeat oriented, and we've had just about every major Indie DJ pass through here in the past.

I was more into the Producers/DJs from across the pond, ie; Rennie Pilgrem, Tayo, Koma & Bones, etc.....Labels like TCR, Mob Records, Botchit Breaks, Finger Lickin', etc..

Def all quality stuff there!! Im partial to that Fl funky breaks since i grew up with it all around me but i like that heavy dark bass tracks, is like malicious records

Off topic..Stops tracking :/

The price was what it was because the case is a custom case. Custom always costs more. I'm sure the black hardware effected the price as well, but the original quote they gave me was $450 for everything...it was $350 plus 50 for the pullout handle and another 50 for the laptop shelf...but then they knocked off $100 because I'm a cool guy :D

Oh, I like Florida Breaks, having grown up with them as well....it's just that I was always more partial to the UK Nuskool stuff. Being that it was more akin to elements of Drum n' Bass & House, than Funk & HipHop.

Kaleidoscope & Zone Records...FTW!

never exploded?

I 've been djing for almost 20 years, needless to say im a big turntable fan, that's where it all started for me, entered battles and my sets always included heavy scratchings and occasional juggling and it still does. took me a while but i finally started using cdjs about six years ago along with ssl. im now using controllers more and more for my gigs. bottom line is that, all this talk with turntable forever and music nowadays is crap is nonsense; it may be true to some point but you gotta move on. stop living in the past. The crowd im playing for right now is not the same crowd i was playing for 10-15 years ago. music changes and us djs have to keep an open mind. heck i was a house chicago dj when i started and i hated it when hip hop made a break thru in chicago clubs around early 90's. now i spin multi genre, anything from 70-150 bpms, unless im playing at a specific club. i had a gig this saturday and the event requested old chicago classics which is "my kind of music", it was fun but honestly it got a bit boring after a while. keep an open mind and don't get left behind. i think people get a kick out of seeing me using different gears all the time. on top of that, my life just got easier and my gears got a lot lighter. if i have to bring my own gears, i can assure you it's not going to be 2 12's, they are staying at home. remember it is not what gears you have, but how well you use it.

yes the subgenre of breaks im referring to never really went went mainstream, ie you never saw a britney spears track produced by icey or sharaz being the official tour DJ of jay z.

Your not even making any correlations in your points here, yes music changes and yes you have to evolve your musical tastes to keep current and play for diverse crowds but none of that has any factor on the medium you use to present sed music.



No at some point i dont have to move on, just because you made a change dosent mean that every DJ does.

Funny....this is exactly the way I feel about playing mainstream music. If I have to play bullshit Pop40 remixes, I'd rather give up on my pursuit of playing out.

Fortunately, I haven't had to do that yet. I've been able to play out on a weekly basis, staying true to what I love, and am passionate about.

But the day that I am no longer able to secure bookings based on the music I love, is the day I'll retire back to where it all began....my living room ;)

Really, Playing top 40 is playing out. Thats such a bullshit statement its unreal. Ive been djing 23 years and make a hell of alot of money doing it and if a client wants top 40 so be it. I got bills to pay.

DJing isn't my Profession, it's my hobby that I get paid for...big difference!

I NEVER played TOP40! I started out playing Drum n' Bass....I still play Drum n' Bass, as well as House, Techno, Breaks, TripHop, Indie HipHop, Dubstep, 2Step, and Future Garage. These are the genres that I'm passionate about......if I can't play these out, I would rather play at home.....alone!

I have friends that keep trying to convince me that I should go over to the Dark Side.....they, like you, say you can make sooooo much money doing it. Well, I say......who cares? If I don't have any passion for the music (ie; I HATE IT) then what's the point?

I understand if you hate the music not wanting to play it but going over to the dark side as you refer to it isnt necessarily all bad, you just have to use it for what its worth. For example (what kinda set this conversation in this direction) Im passionate about breaks, electro, house, and to a newer lesser extent dubstep. I live in a state where there is not 1 single EDM dance music venue, its top 40 or rap EOS. You CAN hear these genres late in the night when the DJs are good and drunk but overall its a no go if you want to hear that. So remedey this what we do is have all the working area DJs pool in and we throw our own partys about once a month, the top 40 hell gigs give us the cash to do it and give us a platform to advertise for these partys because a flier\txt\email ect with "Come see the ultra lounges own Dj mbezze and club insanitys DJ krave bla bla bla" will attract more people than "Come check out DJ ill breaks...this is his first time leaving the house in years so use this oppritunity to find out what he looks like". Also playing the top 40 events gets your name to the owners and staff of venues and they are more likley to book a party knowing yuo have a following with another club and that you acutually know what your doing.

Its kinda like that interview with Riz from crooklyn clan, the interviewer asked him what it was like to be a hiphop DJ back in the day and his responce was a laugh followed by "i didnt wanna be a hiphop DJ i wanted to be a house DJ but that room was the hard room to get into so they stuck me in the hiphop room "

I get it but my love for djing and what djing costs to stay up on product and music makes me think the darkside stuff is pointless. I love music period. I was raised by chicago house djs and in chi house clubs. House is in my blood for life but im a dj and a dj plays what a crowd wants and loves. I make people dance my any means available. I no house isnt for everyone. I get that so i play it all. Its for the love of the art and the love of the music. I like the fact i can mix anything. period

I see what your saying, me personally, i can enjoy top 40, i enjoy garbage rap just as I enjoy EDM and all kinds of things, because I love music in general, and even if a dj plays a song i dont like or dont know, im fine with it because i like hearing new ish and even if i dont like it i know ill have one come my wy in a few. Whats soured me on the top 40 experience isnt the music because i can step back and see it for what it is. What sours me on it is the jackasses you have to play for. I DESPISE top 40 crowds because their close minded and display their ignorance with a badge of honor. I 100% completley understand there is a place in the night and in history for a Kei$ha song talkin about getting plastered and shitting yourself because theres some dumb bitch in the crowd whos gonna make the bar $1000 in drinks guys are buyin her and shes gonna end up shitn herself and her friends are gonna laugh at her and a fun times had by all, but it pisses me off when you play 4 tracks like that then mabye sneak in a more house vibey track or something from the "DANCE" (yes its called that for a reason) music genresthey lose their mind as if your personally ruining their night. Its like ok i undertsnad what you like but what you like is the most disposable music on the planet so take 4 deep breathes and realise within 5 to 10 minutes youll get the music the radio told you was ok to listen to.

That and people who listen to some WELL produced music and claim "this sucks" and ask for some lil wayne garbage which sounds like it was made using manatees, pingpong balls, and windows audio recorder, or the people who say they cant dance to dance music and want something undanceable that they wont dance to anyway. The people who dont mind, strike that, WANT to hear 4 songs on repeat all night so they can prove how cool they are by showing their friends that around the 4th time they kinda know some of the words. When you have to play 1 song 4 times a night and your the only person who sees the problem then it can sour yuo on a genre quick.

LOL.

^ kinda got caught on the rant there, cliffnotes, its not the music that fuck up that scene, alot of its fun music to play, its the people

And honestly i think im ALLLLLMOST, just RIGHT AROUND CORNER, from having done this long enough and am well known enough, and have accomplished enough, where i can start passing on gigs i dont like. 5 years ago i would never consider not takin a club gig because they were all so fun. Now im gettin to a point where focusing on some good EDM and just poppin out the house a few times a month to play what i like and not havin to worry about the BS of a 4 day a week grind not really havin the same fun.

lol and you KNOW its true in alot of these genres. Ive been spinning in clubs in my area for almost 8 years (damn it dosent seem that long) and i kick it with all the other club DJs, we have BBQs on sundays and do our own promo shows with each other in each others clubs on holidays. Then ill see a flier for something like a dubstep party at some random bar and its like ....who the fuck are these guys and where have they been hidin cause iven never heard or seen ANY of them and this is a small ass town not to be seen out.

went to GC yesterday. NS6 feels better than any other controller they had, even better than cdj1000's imo. way better than even the new ones from pioneer. the solid metal wheel spins freely and just felt super under my hand, nice weight to it, second only to a real turntable. The rest are all plastic, and the ns7 like mentioned above is too large. I really wish it would work with ssl, i'd buy it immediately.

Ya that was my point all along. feels so much better then pioneer does.

are ya sure, i mean those guys were pretty big around 98-05. im not saying britt spears or tour djing, but overall i'm sure they got some pop dj remixes. I can't think of a bigger remix than 'beachball' for icey esp, at that time. He did remixes for groove armada, stanton warriors, i mean, in the UK those names are fairly pop.

Wow a post about the Ns6. I almost forgot what this thread was about. Just to add my 2 cents guys, stay true to yourself. If you are fortunate enough not to have to play anything too mainstream then so be it. Believe it or not there is the occasional gem that blows up. Good music is good music regardless of popularity or genre.

With that being said, ordered my ns6 with odyssey case. Should be here any day now.

I also have the Odyssey case....and still, I would love to have a "quality" soft case. Are you hearing me, Numark?

Wow..... Its been a while since I checked this thread again and alot of you make some interesting points..... but if you check out my review, you will see what I am talking about a little more. I should be doing a video soon.... but lets see...

For me again, the NS6 is KING over my Technics in terms of portability outside of the Radio Studio or my personal studio. I am no auto sync DJ at heart and yes I prefer the feel of a 12 inch vinyl over a 6 in metal platter.... BUT!!!!! Alot of you don't live where I live. Some of you I noticed are resident DJs to specific clubs. Some of you leave your equipment at clubs....

Alot of these cannot be done where I live.... Here's why.....

1) Your stuff WILL get stolen if you decide to leave it in the club....

2) The amount of space taken up by an NS6 when compared to a single turntable and a mixer is about the same foot print..... but the NS6 is FAR easier to set up and break down compared to the single turntable and mixer combo....

3) NO you CANNOT do the more complicated cuts on an NS6 then on a 12 inch vinly turntable.... My self and 2 dedicated turntablists have tried and it either comes out sloppy or it is just un comfortable attempting.... BUT... this stye of scratching is not what gets you gigs down here where I live...

4) A club in our area will have as many as 8 different DJs sometimes 10 DJs playing in one night. Each DJ drawing a specific crowd..... Thats as many as 8 different set ups and equipments setting up and breaking down..... Space is ALWAYS an issue.... Usually there is enough room for two DJ set ups to be there at a time

I'll post up more in my review. But as of now...... my NS6 is 9/10 and probably will be 10/10 when the new itch 2.0 comes out.

About number 4 if you guys are having so many DJs in one night it would make since for you guys to buddy up and just use 1 or 2 setups....unless you got the kinda people that can only Omar on their setup which is lame in my opinion. All those setups just to play music sounds overkill you guys should be working together if it's like that. You get what I'm saying right

the only thing is that its gonna take about a year to find out about the reliability and whether or not it will break. wasnt it those numark cd players that looked like tts that kept breaking right around a year? those were actually pretty cool, but everyone i talked to kept saying the same thing.

Ya for sure. we will see. so far so good. keep fingers crossed. I said it before numark is taking a gamble because if it doesnt last they will loose a new bunch of clients they got like me.

Ive used almost all denon for 20 plus without one issues so we will see

it was the numark cdx, damn i wish those had worked, would have been perfect with ssl.

Ya 3700 for that for sure.

I went to GC and tried out the NS6. The platter felt good, much more solid and smooth that I expected. I liked the feel of the faders. Its a cool unit with a ton of features. To me It felt like a better VCI. It definitely isnt for me though. If it had moving platters I would definitely consider it. I need a visual cue on the deck as I dont like to stare at the screen when I juggle.

I liked this video, the 4 deck feature looked fun. Watchwww.youtube.com

Dope vid what the track at 3:17 it's crazy never heard it before

lol..... oh now you guys are starting to like it.... lmao

Lol, I still wouldnt ever buy anything by Numark. Its cool though.

Dude you have no idea how I felt putting money down on a Numark product after everything I've said and felt about them over the years. I still stop when I say it "hey guys, I bought an NS6...Numark...I know...but"

I don't know, the NS7 seemed to get a lot of good reviews from people and I couldn't hold out for the dream of a Rane controller much longer.

I've said same exact thing for years and when I saw the NS6 in person I couldn't believe it was Numark. Amazing piece of gear that blows away anything else in its class currently on the market IMO. Had they not dropped the ball on the metering section and got rid of the silly fake silkcreened 45 adapters on the platters it would be a homerun. Instead I'd say it a solid triple.

Same here. Now that I picked up a NS6 I'm sure Rane will finally introduce one. (FML lol :facepalm:)

I sooooo agree with this.



If they do, I'll sell this thing with the quickness. ITCH is okay, but it's ScratchLIVE that I am most comfortable with!

Though, I don't see Rane ever doing this. Also, I don't think Serato would be down for it at this point in the game. ITCH is their baby now, and a ScratchLIVE Controller would essentially destroy the ITCH line. That's why we need ITCH to mimic ScratchLIVE as much as it can, whilst at the same time adding some of Traktor's features to make it an "absolutely perfect" product.

What could do this.....

Tempo-Sync'd SP-6
FLAC Support
Pitch n' Time type Key Algorithm (better keylock)
Sample Recorder
ScratchLIVE styled Internal Effects
Allowing some features to be MIDI Mappable via 3rd party Controllers (ie; MIDI-Fighter)
"Skip to Splice" feature as outlined here : serato.com
Though I could care less : Bridge & Video Support

Got the NS6.

Amazing.

The NS6 is sick!! 4 tracks are crazy, they let you do all kinds of stuff..... no need to carry any ancient items that weigh 500 lb when u can kill a show on the NS6... nuff said!