Would need the specs of both. Might not have enough graphics memory/processing power on the Windows machine. You can also try updating video card drivers

also depends what is running in the background of your system on both O/S

for windows you can disable many things in MSCONFIG that runs on start up
and for MACOSX you can disable stuff via System Prefs/ Accounts and also
get rid of other things that aren't needed with Terminal and the correct
code commands. you can view what's running via Activity Monitor on OSX
or task manager in Windows.

Although i warn that if your not sure what your doing then down mess
as you could end up with a OS that doesn't work !

the contrary in my case
on osx hickups and lag on the waveform, no issues whatsoever on my W7 x64

platinum... true story...

when you are on windows... move the cursor around, with the trackpad or mouse... it smooths the waveform for that moment... cool huh? but why is it like that?!

well djdavez i wont doubt what u just said..but i will definitely try it...well it's funny.i have seen this on 2 different systems..my desktop and another hp labtop from a friend....before i bought my new personal labtop...i installed a fresh win7..onto an ssd drive..no programs nothing .just the drivers...and ran serato..and the waveform still was giving that slight lag....same thing on the desktop...an my new system the same thing..so i know it's a windows thing..cause i installed mac on my new labtop and ran serato..and the waveguide runs so smooth..u can even see its gotta be like 0% latency..man i might need to consider this whole new mac world for music...might be the real deal.

What are your latency settings on both OSes?

Theres a more compliated explanation than this but the simple version is that when you move the mouse the part of the OS that is displaying the visuals gets higher priority and gets interrupted less.

I have noticed that Macs display the waveforms smoother as well.

+1 agreed

Another +1 here too..

I've noticed that multitasking on mac with itch seems to have less of an impact on waveforms. Probably has more to do with graphics drivers/hardware.

I think we all have to agree that there's a serious number of variables to consider in testing something like this.

-1 here

I think i am going to run a test...I am gonna use win7 and disable a lot of services and disable the aero and a whole lot of background processes once they don't interfe with the normal operation of serato...And give it a try and see if it would smoothen out waveform..I will report back..Because once i get a smoother waveform and that -0% latency I don't think i will need to run a mac operating system haha....as that was really the only difference i have seen between the mac os and win7..the lower latency and smooth waveform.

That is a result of the mouse being a part of the graphically accelerated windows shell. Unfortunately, the entire desktop is not graphically accelerated like it is on Mac OS X. Here's a small experiment: While running on a windows machine with aero enabled, place the transparent portion of a window over the waveform. Watch as it smooths similar to Mac OS X.

I just bought the brand new Macbook Pro i5 13", and everything just seems so much smoother to my recently formatted i5 sony. Waveform movements the whole shebang just works smoothly!

I wont go back to PC for serato, and my Mac is dedicated to serato (both SSL and Itch) and i dont plan on installing anything else!

That is ofcourse the most ideal situation.

+1
This is what I did from day 1 and I'm still having flawless sets almost a year and a half later...

well i think i will admit that mac pro and serato are the perfect couple...cause i even tried to disable a heap of services and also background apps in windows after a clean install but the same deal...maybe PapaMidnight can be right and it's just the way how windows is structured and there seems to be nothing one can do about it.....I bought a windows labtop because i am an all round type of guy..i like my games and other windows related tasks...because am not a dj alone..i do a lot of other things.Hopefully in the future i might buy a mac book pro dedicated to audio and my dj career..but meanwhile i would run that mac OS on my labtop pc and enjoy it as long as it lasts...

My 2009 core 2 duo 2.4 MBP handles everything from video editing to web browsing, from Logic Pro song projects to Mixmeister. Every day.

I have not a single dropout on my V7 system, at 1ms latency.

I'm pretty convinced that the V7's do not require that much resources then the other controllers (no internal mixing) and that's why it is even more reliable then the rest.

True. However, the machine handles very well dozens of different daily tasks, while remaining very fast and reliable after 2 years. Just keep it clean by repairing permissions and running CleanMyMac on a monthly basis, and keep a lot of hard drive available space.

but is usually largely unnecessary.

pretty sure its something to do with windows 7 v7/ns7 drivers, as my core 2 duo t9600 laptop running windows XP displays the waveforms much smoother than my 5ghz i7 Sandy Bridge PC running windows 7. I also noticed this on many other machines; windows 7 - jerky waveforms, feels like they are rendered at 20-30 fps, whilst windows xp even on a much slower machine displays them at what looks like 60 fps.

you cant fix it, its how the program is ported for windows. on OSX it uses opengl to render the waveforms, that is not the case on windows. don't waste your time trying to tune your windows pc that will help you if you have dropouts or any kind of audio issues, your waveforms however will stutter, its just how it is, it does the same on my desktop that has dual SLI video cards.

yes zaguma i totally agree with u.But I will try arcticjoe experience with windows xp and see if anything changes....But as of now i am gonna be using the MAC OS for serato.

you cant fix it in windows 7, - on XP its as smooth as on OSX, even on a slower laptop.

Yeah that's bizzare, I just installed SSL on my gaming rig because that's the PC hooked up the sound system at the moment and the waveforms are stuttery (Googled it how I found this thread) yet on a measely integrated Mac Mini video card that pales to the gaming rig it's much smoother.


AND/BUT Discovery! Like someone else said when the mouse cursor is moved it's as smooth as silk like on OS X and/or XP. Any way that the developers could fix this?

well to be honest i really wish they could do something..but it seems mac is king when it comes to music even with music production.lol....And what i notice is i experience a lot of bugs when running itch in windows with my ns7..but in mac no bugs.lol...only ting i get a little song restart now and again..but it happens only once on each gig....the crowd won't notice it.lol..but i can't wait to give dat new 2.0 a try.lol

Just buy a Mac. I don't know why it works, but it just does. Don't waste your time looking for a laptop with the best specs. Macs work, point blank period.

You should re-calibrate your NS7 to fix this issue, instructions are in the manual.

so u had windows on your new laptop & then you said u installed mac osx on the same laptop ? how did u do that ?

well i am not sure if i can talk about that here but i split my hardrive into 2 partitions and installed mac on 1 and win7 on the other..if u would like to know how it's done to try it u can send me a pm and i will be glad to help.

I searched and found this thread and it only confirmed my suspicions. I have an Alienware M17X with 8GB of RAM, DUAL 1gb SLI video cards, and still my macbook with an i5 and 4GB of RAM runs the waveforms significantly smoother. I just wish this wasn't the case as my 17x is is mainly for music and my mac is my daily driver. I'll try running OS 10.6 in VMware and see where that gets me.

even my (backup laptop) old 2006 MacBook 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 2GB ram(MA699LL/A) will out preform 2011 win pcs with much higher specs. The reason is simply the MAC operating system.

Yes ofcourse..it's the way the Mac OS is designed..it's the real deal...

I run a Win 7 machine and I do agree, the waveforms run smoother on the MBP but I have no waveform issues on my machine. I'm running Itch 1.5.

so are u trying to say that u r running itch 1.5 on a windows 7 machine with no waveform issues?

I have a MBP and it is having so many issues I'm considering loading windows onto bootcamp to run the windows version or itch. Just go into the itch ns7 help forum, you'll see almost all the tickets are for Macs.

I think serato needs to put more than two guys working in their spare time on mac development IMO

ITCH is developed on macs.

well ok djcerla i think u rapped it up there..lol..so we all know what we need to do..get macs...think i need to buy 1 for the christmas..thanks.

My PC's work fine. Why would I want to? If I wanted Mac OS, I'd build a Hackintosh again (which worked great last time, but couldn't write NTFS :( )

There is a nice app for writing ntfs...the name is Paragon NTFS and the other is Tuxera for MAc..I use Tuxera..it works like a charm.

I've had my experience with Paragon NTFS... That's a definite no-no. I'll never install that on my machine and let it touch my drives ever again. Tuxera is just a commercialised version of NTFS-3G; and the latter works better in my opinion.

yeah, I think ultimately

1. All Serato software was developed on the Mac and the OS.

when it comes down to it you most definitely get a PC and Windows to run Serato just as well but, the build and parts are sourced from so many different locations that it tends to hurt the smoothness that it can run Serato.

I was such a Mac hater until I tried one for Scratch Live and then on to Itch and Serato DJ.
I went from being a "I hate Mac" to a believer because it runs the programs so much smoother.

Yeh Felonyruckus Nice to see u actually tried something different for yourself and didn't listen to hear say..Mac is smoother with serato and a lot less bugs....plain and simple..

Agree on the fact MACs run smoother than Windows for some reason, even my friends MAC is like 5 years old and my new laptop is 2 years old I5 processor and it although it runs amazingly its still not as smooth as a MAC...

Very strange