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BEST HID CONTROLLERS FOR SSL - WHICH AND WHY?
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BEST HID CONTROLLERS FOR SSL - WHICH AND WHY?
DJ MDX
1:12 AM - 22 February, 2011
I am looking for some suggestions from people out there that own HID controllers for SSL with a Sixty-Eight (or 57) and what their opinions are on them. Please list all the Pro's and Con's of each unit you have experience with.
Also if anyone has a video (YouTube/Vimeo) link to any that are acutually used for a perfomance/mix could you pleae link it? I don't want to see how to hook them up which is all I've found so far...lol
Thanks in advance.
Also if anyone has a video (YouTube/Vimeo) link to any that are acutually used for a perfomance/mix could you pleae link it? I don't want to see how to hook them up which is all I've found so far...lol
Thanks in advance.
Dj Ace
5:54 PM - 26 February, 2011
I used the CDJ 2000 at namm and it was pretty cool. response was excellent and it was cool how you could view the song/tittle bpm directly on the CDJ. I use turntables mostly and was quite impressed with the features.
WhattaMac
9:12 AM - 8 August, 2011
I have (2) different setups using Pioneer CDJ 2000s and CDJ 900s both systems have a 68 as the mixer.
Pros: Native HID is amazing!! Zero latency, complete CDJ functions all work, scrolling tracks from the players. IMO I actually prefer them to my 1200s, and I used to be a die -hard 1200 fan. Also, using Pioneers Rekordbox software to put a "backup" library on USB thumb drive is great! In short it just works great! This IS the future of DJing - Native HID
Cons: High price! All you really need is the CDJ900 or now the CDJ 850 now that it's going to be supported... Other than that nothing.
You will get alot of feature redundancy going this route- 3 different pieces of hardware to scroll
tracks, load cues, loop/cut samples so if you don't need the adjustable platter tension (cdj2000) I would probably stick with the 900s or the 850s the 2000s are overkill..
Pros: Native HID is amazing!! Zero latency, complete CDJ functions all work, scrolling tracks from the players. IMO I actually prefer them to my 1200s, and I used to be a die -hard 1200 fan. Also, using Pioneers Rekordbox software to put a "backup" library on USB thumb drive is great! In short it just works great! This IS the future of DJing - Native HID
Cons: High price! All you really need is the CDJ900 or now the CDJ 850 now that it's going to be supported... Other than that nothing.
You will get alot of feature redundancy going this route- 3 different pieces of hardware to scroll
tracks, load cues, loop/cut samples so if you don't need the adjustable platter tension (cdj2000) I would probably stick with the 900s or the 850s the 2000s are overkill..
DJWarrenKelly
3:48 PM - 8 August, 2011
Besides having a 68 attached to them…what does this thread have to do with the 68 in itself?
DJ MDX
6:39 PM - 8 August, 2011
@ WhattaMac - Thanks for the feedback and suggestions - this was the type of feedback I was looking for.
Mr. Goodkat
12:09 AM - 12 August, 2011
Pros: Native HID is amazing!! Zero latency, complete CDJ functions all work, scrolling tracks from the players. IMO I actually prefer them to my 1200s, and I used to be a die -hard 1200 fan. Also, using Pioneers Rekordbox software to put a "backup" library on USB thumb drive is great! In short it just works great! This IS the future of DJing - Native HID
Cons: High price! All you really need is the CDJ900 or now the CDJ 850 now that it's going to be supported... Other than that nothing.
You will get alot of feature redundancy going this route- 3 different pieces of hardware to scroll
tracks, load cues, loop/cut samples so if you don't need the adjustable platter tension (cdj2000) I would probably stick with the 900s or the 850s the 2000s are overkill..
my mac has only 2 usbs, would you just use a hub or powered hub?
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I have (2) different setups using Pioneer CDJ 2000s and CDJ 900s both systems have a 68 as the mixer.Pros: Native HID is amazing!! Zero latency, complete CDJ functions all work, scrolling tracks from the players. IMO I actually prefer them to my 1200s, and I used to be a die -hard 1200 fan. Also, using Pioneers Rekordbox software to put a "backup" library on USB thumb drive is great! In short it just works great! This IS the future of DJing - Native HID
Cons: High price! All you really need is the CDJ900 or now the CDJ 850 now that it's going to be supported... Other than that nothing.
You will get alot of feature redundancy going this route- 3 different pieces of hardware to scroll
tracks, load cues, loop/cut samples so if you don't need the adjustable platter tension (cdj2000) I would probably stick with the 900s or the 850s the 2000s are overkill..
my mac has only 2 usbs, would you just use a hub or powered hub?
Zach S
5:07 PM - 12 August, 2011
Yes. Use a usb 2.0 powered hub:)
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my mac has only 2 usbs, would you just use a hub or powered hub?Yes. Use a usb 2.0 powered hub:)
WhattaMac
11:16 PM - 12 August, 2011
I use a Belkin 4 port unpowered hub with no issues, but a lot o people suggest a powered hub..
Also make sure you are running latest Pioneer Firmware on your CDJ!!! - IMPORTANT!!!
The 2 CDJ 2000s that I bought were like 2 firmware versions un-current out of the box!!
Also now that 2.3 is out you have CDJ350 support as well as 850-Yay!! If you don't mind smaller jog wheels you can save some money and have smaller rig!! I am thinking about a pair of CDJ350s and a TTM57 with HID support as small (relatively lightweight) mobile system!! IMO this would be sorta like an "all in one controller" that I wish Rane would make!
Also make sure you are running latest Pioneer Firmware on your CDJ!!! - IMPORTANT!!!
The 2 CDJ 2000s that I bought were like 2 firmware versions un-current out of the box!!
Also now that 2.3 is out you have CDJ350 support as well as 850-Yay!! If you don't mind smaller jog wheels you can save some money and have smaller rig!! I am thinking about a pair of CDJ350s and a TTM57 with HID support as small (relatively lightweight) mobile system!! IMO this would be sorta like an "all in one controller" that I wish Rane would make!
Code:E
9:26 PM - 24 November, 2011
I have and use CDJ 2000 exclusively in HID mode with SL4 now. and I LOVE it. Serato did a good job of recreating the way the cdjs function on there own, inside serato. One personal fav feature, when you manually enter a loop (hitting loop in/ loop out) the BPM display updates with the bpm of the loop. so if you hit it a little soon or late, you can easily adjust the loop to the correct bpm, via the pitch slider, before anyone in the crowd notices. Im not a scratch dj but a buddy of mine who is said he can feel lag in the HID well scratching and doesn't have the lag when he uses his tech12's and a 57. Powered hub is a must!!!!! also. you will have all kinds of issues if you dont use one. last con, watch out for the usb ports on the back of CDJ2000's (im sure 900 would have this problem too(I can only confirm this issue on dj's from the first run, you can tell there 1st run if theres no red on the box they cam in. the new boxes are almost half red)). the little black piece of plastic in the center of the UBS port on the cdj's will pop out, that not the end of the world, but if you bend one of the 4 pins sticking out, and then plug that usb cable in you can blow up your usb port on you computer or blow up your usb hub. I blew up 2 usb hubs in 1 day. both power supplies and hubs themselves fried. so just watch out for that. other than that they are AMAZING! and i would say spend the extra money for the 2000's. The hotcue buttons are worth it alone.
WhattaMac
12:18 AM - 14 February, 2012
Yup, I had to find out the hard way about the "missing" plastic nub in the center of the USB port on my CDJ900, didn't blow any hub (wish i had cause that would have been cheap to fix,,) Had to take to Pioneer (1 hr drive) to have them replace it under warranty. Pioneer knows this is a problem and will fix IF your unit is still under warranty but if not it is like a $150 (rip off) repair.. Bottom line, if Pioneer had put a maybe 25 cent more expensive port on the back of there $1500 retail CDJ900 would never have been an issue.. Oh yeah it took 2 wks. for them to fix it - no shipping, I dropped/picked up myself..
But like you said Native HID is AMAZING and I feel ZERO latency compared to 1200's and especially compared to timecode CDs... The fact that all the CDJ functions work is killer..
I just wish Pioneer would make their gear out of metal ----- Not plastic!! If weight is an issue - Aluminum, its light and its recyclable!
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Powered hub is a must!!!!! also. you will have all kinds of issues if you dont use one. last con, watch out for the usb ports on the back of CDJ2000's (im sure 900 would have this problem too(I can only confirm this issue on dj's from the first run, you can tell there 1st run if theres no red on the box they cam in. the new boxes are almost half red)). the little black piece of plastic in the center of the UBS port on the cdj's will pop out, that not the end of the world, but if you bend one of the 4 pins sticking out, and then plug that usb cable in you can blow up your usb port on you computer or blow up your usb hub. I blew up 2 usb hubs in 1 day. both power supplies and hubs themselves fried. so just watch out for that. other than that they are AMAZING! and i would say spend the extra money for the 2000's. The hotcue buttons are worth it alone.Yup, I had to find out the hard way about the "missing" plastic nub in the center of the USB port on my CDJ900, didn't blow any hub (wish i had cause that would have been cheap to fix,,) Had to take to Pioneer (1 hr drive) to have them replace it under warranty. Pioneer knows this is a problem and will fix IF your unit is still under warranty but if not it is like a $150 (rip off) repair.. Bottom line, if Pioneer had put a maybe 25 cent more expensive port on the back of there $1500 retail CDJ900 would never have been an issue.. Oh yeah it took 2 wks. for them to fix it - no shipping, I dropped/picked up myself..
But like you said Native HID is AMAZING and I feel ZERO latency compared to 1200's and especially compared to timecode CDs... The fact that all the CDJ functions work is killer..
I just wish Pioneer would make their gear out of metal ----- Not plastic!! If weight is an issue - Aluminum, its light and its recyclable!
Code:E
4:15 AM - 14 February, 2012
also i will admit that there is an issue with the cdj 2000 and the platter. but i finally found someone who put out a video for the fix.
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
Warren T.
3:17 AM - 15 February, 2012
I have the CDJ400s..one of the first few CDJs to support HID with Serato, and it's been amazing. Zero latency, & I dare say scratching on the small platters are much better than with timecode CDs. The Jet, Roll & Wah buttons are MIDI-mappable, so I have assigned them to trigger cue points. You should be able to cop them at a bargain 2nd hand & if you don't mind using small platters.
Alchemy
6:18 PM - 24 February, 2012
I notice the cdj bpm display is accurate to 0.1% In HID mode would the bpm be displayed to this level of accuracy or does it just round the bpm as it does on the serato interface?
Code:E
8:38 PM - 24 February, 2012
It is displayed and is accurate to 0.1%. Its a great feature. helps me nail down those quick mixes in a hurry.
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