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What are you doing to get other DJs on board with the TTM57SL?
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What are you doing to get other DJs on board with the TTM57SL?

AdamJay 9:52 AM - 17 June, 2007
I'm curious to how some of you folks have approached your fellow DJs in your respective cities about moving towards the TTM57SL.

With my situation, i absolutely love the mixer. I manage a nightclub and we have various DJs come through, We do Latino and HipHop/R&B on Wednesdays, Electronic on Thurs/Sat, and Hip Hop/R&B on Fridays. i've probably hooked up one DJ or another's SL1 box 200 times in the last year. Of course i would prefer more DJs adapt to the TTM57SL, makes my life easier in many different ways.
We also have a Xone:92, and Pioneer DJM-600 available for DJs, though the HipHop djs typically prefer the Pioneer or bring in a DJM-909 (gotta have that echo FADE!!! :-P) Hip Hop DJs coming through are typically not interested in the Xone, which is too bad simply on the basis of sound quality and the P&G faders..
I dispise the sound of the Pioneer DJM series, new or old... craptacular D/A's make my club and lounge systems sound muddy and cluttered compared to the Xone and TTM. (Don't get me wrong, they still sound good... just not AS good)

So this week i'm doing a Demo/Clinic on the TTM for a few regular DJs we have come through that utilize SSL. A couple of them have been asking me to find them deals on a DJM-909 and i figure if they're already using SSL, they out to see what the TTM57SL can do.. all are relative mode junkies and getting their hands away from the computer is definitely something they're interested in. None utilize any other FX on the Pioneers besides Echo, so the TTM has that covered...

I guess what i mean to say is i am really trying hard to get more DJs in my city hip to this mixer, in hopes that it would become more of a standard amongst DJs using SSL than the SL1+DJM-909 many are favoring. For technical reasons (fader life, less maintenance from me), and the sake of all of our ears this would be a better direction... but are their any other ways to convince them, or should i simply let them all give it a hands-on shot and let them decide for themselves?

any thoughts?
boabmatic 11:24 AM - 17 June, 2007
the guy I DJ with uses a 909 and is a bit scared of using a 57 because all the buttons just incase he hits something a kills the sound.

the other week be bust his fader so we had to use my 57,first thing he noticed was how good it sounded in the club compared to the 909.(as you have stated above)
once I showed him how to use the echo he was cool with it (he uses absolute mode so need for cue stuff etc..)

he is now thinking about selling his 909 for a 57, after I showed him some relative mode tricks too :)

so I think getting the DJ's a 30min hands on play with it would be enough to get them to be confident with it to make the switch.
nik39 11:36 AM - 17 June, 2007
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so I think getting the DJ's a 30min hands on play with it would be enough to get them to be confident with it to make the switch.

Word.
AdamJay 6:07 PM - 17 June, 2007
right on boabmatic... i think the FlexFX/Effects group trick nik39 posted in the wiki is a big selling point for converting 909 users. no more tapping. i honestly think that should be its own chapter in the 57SL manual as its very difficult to get all that functionality without it.

can you guys think of other features to highlight ? stuff that might be more "under the hood"?
cheeba (the believer) 2:11 PM - 18 June, 2007
i have talked three friends into parting with £999 for a 57... all of them jumped on it after a 5 minute demo or just watching me play out in rel mode. they aren't particularly rich either... just able to see the possibilities with such a mixer. just gotta link the mixers up now ;)

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Awedamn 7:11 PM - 20 June, 2007
999 pounds is expensive, huh?
HerbieWest 7:43 PM - 21 June, 2007
man, i wish there was something i could do about it. i live in Chile, and as far as I know, i'm the only owner of 57 in the whole damn country. it was a bitch getting it over here, a friend of mine from the states bought it for me and brought it on his backback as if it was his own. nobody asked any questions and i saved myself a humongous tax (of course, if the thing breaks down or fails in any way, im F*CKED).

even the Scratch Live is very unknown here, so whenever i explain someone how my mixer works, they either dont quite understand it or their jaws drop.

here is very unusual to go to a club that has even its own pair of turntables, let alone a mixer or a SSL. most dj's here use cd mixers or laptops and they wont even bother with something like "pitch", and will fade from one song to another just like winamp, it sux. but what is worse is that people dont care at all if the mix sucks, it seems to be the norm, a "good dj" is someone who simple plays "good songs". i've had people aproach me and say "hey, its pretty cool this kind of mixing that you do", i say "what kind of mixing is that" and i get "you know, like, blending one song into the other on the same beat and scrathing it and stuff".
i'm not saying there arent exceptions, i know a lot who mix pretty well, but in general, unless you play techno or something, you'll get away with mixing like shit.

i don't want to seem too whiny, but reading this kind of thread makes me feel like i live in a reality so different from yours, you guys can talk about moving people into this cutting edge technology and it almost seem feasable, while all i want here is some quality at all!

anyway, good luck with promoting the 57. it is the way it should be!

greetings from a ttm57 user from down south.
shiestO! 6:26 PM - 22 June, 2007
^^props on the work you put in to get it there... teamwork and shit. just keep the interested ones interested. show somebody somethin and build from there. get a few kids hooked if possible.
AdamJay 6:46 PM - 22 June, 2007
update:

so i did a little clinic of sorts this last Wednesday at the club i manage, opened up an hour early and hooked my macbook pro in mirrored monitor mode to our Plasma TV at 1366x766 resolution, just above my head (looked real nice), this helped to show the hardware section of SSL... invited some SSL using DJs to have a look at it and take a shot at mixing on it.

It went well, not everyone showed up at the same time so i had to repeat myself for almost all the DJs but the results were positive: 2 DJs definitely getting one in the near future, and 2 DJs definitely "wanting" to get one once their funds are up to it. All were pleased to know that this will soon be our core installation mixer at the club as we really need something that can take abuse from scratch DJs. (we currently have an A&H Xone:92 an a DJM-600... we're going to be selling the Xone as it intimidates nearly every DJ that comes in and isn't familiar with it).

All DJs agreed it was a large pill to swallow in terms of getting all the functionality out of the TTM57SL, but also... all agreed it was worth investing the time to learn it as it would greatly improve all their performances.

This mixer practically sells itself!
DJK 7:40 PM - 23 June, 2007
LOL since when did we become Rane salesmen?

I tell people to get there own damn 57 if they wana see what it's about, especially since they never wash their hands...
rhythmunderground 7:49 PM - 23 June, 2007
go forth and preach the gospel of the TTM57SL.
Steve_Dub 3:01 AM - 25 June, 2007
One of the clubs I spin at has the 909 upstairs and downstairs, I bring my 57. The manager (who also dj's) wanted to get the 57 (still does) for the club but he's afraid if a dj comes in and doesnt have a newer version of ssl installed they will be screwed. I told him that the club can keep a copy of the software or the dj could hook up his ssl box if he doesnt want to upgrade. Hopefully he can sell the 909's and get a couple 57's. I dont like the fader on the 909 compared to the 57.
AdamJay 3:08 AM - 25 June, 2007
yea, keeping a disk for a club is must, especially since many DJs who dont own the 57SL and use Windows, won't have the drivers installed.

you can also tell him that the 57 isn't immune to hooking up to an SL1.
just use the analog inputs.
AdamJay 3:10 AM - 25 June, 2007
derrrr, you already said that, i misread. ha.

we're selling our Xone 92 in order to fund a 57SL for our main room.
DJ GaFFle 9:59 PM - 26 June, 2007
I want one but must see a demo or 1st hand of how to use the functions b4 I go and buy. I see them at GC but they don't know jack on working them.
m0nster 8:29 PM - 27 June, 2007
You won't regret it GaFFle, and i don't think you need someone to show you waht you can do with it. I bet your imagination is much better then anyone working at a GC etc etc... Think of relative mode with cue's trigger by buttons, setting loops from mixer/triggering them etc...then filters/echo, it's really pretty great and opens up TONS of new mixes/sets/possibilities.
ralph 6:28 PM - 29 June, 2007
i already got 3 of my resdiencies to buy 57's.
shiestO! 6:24 PM - 2 July, 2007
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LOL since when did we become Rane salesmen?

I tell people to get there own damn 57 if they wana see what it's about, especially since they never wash their hands...


agreed, but pointing people in the right direction is helpful to everyone. we'll just have less behringer and american dj using dj's to make fun of but the general sound/skills go UP instead of staying stagnant by us refusing to show people the ropes.
DJK 8:53 AM - 3 July, 2007
The truth is, a good DJ will rock it on behringer or american dj while a crappy one still sucks ass on a 57.

A DJ lives or dies by what he plays and how he plays it. Equipment does not make you a good DJ. Anybody who says otherwise is probably not a good DJ either...

The only way "the sound/skills go up" is when all these wet nose people take the time to practice and put in their dues. Us selling people on the 57 and us "showing people the ropes" are NOT the same thing.
ralph 8:44 AM - 4 July, 2007
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The truth is, a good DJ will rock it on behringer or american dj while a crappy one still sucks ass on a 57.

A DJ lives or dies by what he plays and how he plays it. Equipment does not make you a good DJ. Anybody who says otherwise is probably not a good DJ either...

The only way "the sound/skills go up" is when all these wet nose people take the time to practice and put in their dues. Us selling people on the 57 and us "showing people the ropes" are NOT the same thing.


word....

i just like giving it my all when i play....and why not do it on something your comfortable on, instead of rockin on a mediocre mixer.

How many times have you been at a club and said "this mixer fukin sucks!"

Might as well get the club to buy quality.
Super Mario 11:29 PM - 7 July, 2007
But a good DJ might look/sound like ass if the equipment he is on is ass... Clipping, bleeding faders, crap sound, etc. is all a reflection on the DJ performance at the end of the night... The general public doesn't know any better and will blame the person behind the decks in the end.
ralph 10:59 AM - 8 July, 2007
word...
DJ A Smooth 4:25 AM - 3 September, 2007
great thread....