So what does Q-Bert think of Michelle Bachman and the civil unrest in Egypt?

there are many buttons in SSL i don't use, so if they add another one its no biggie,

come to think of it the only people that are threatened by iit are the people that are so afraid of lil Jimmy gettin a set of decks and mixing better then them cause they keep it real,

truth is if you hear the odd lil mistake at least you know the guy is mixing and not using some button

So what does Joe Biden think of Key Lock?

I'm on the edge of my chair waiting for his opinion.

i know you would love to marginalize this djmark.

but when one of the top 3 turntableists on the planet makes a comment about this. its kind of a big deal.

so if he was against it should every company just go ahead and remove it,

people just need to care about what they think themselfs and not what someone else thinks

I would rather be at a club listening to some dj using autosync than sitting there listening to constant train wrecks or stop and play on some pos cd deck.

yes, i agree. but those that were waiting from an opinion from someone they call a "big legend", well, they just got it.

Vid or it never happened..

It happened. They posted it on livestream. Link Originated from Q Bert's scratch University.

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they are going to have video uploaded but probably not today as Q is still at DJTT HQ right now hanging out.

actually scratch that, they do have video uploaded already.

go to the scratch univerity link i posted above. like the page, click on the livestream tab. its on th "DJ QBert Ean Golden" video. timestamp for the question is 01:02:09

Since when is Q-Bert known for mixing and blending?

transcript:
QBert: Um the sync button like, it lets you mix automatically? I mean if youre doing a party, why not, who cares? But you know if youre doing something like scratching then thats not really going to work. But it depends, if you want to do a shortcut and do that and have save time for other things then why not? If youre act is "hey im mixing look!" then you may not want to have that sync button. You know it really depends. It's like when the fork was invented. it was like "i like using my hands. what do you think about the fork?" *laughs*

That was partly why I pretty much laughed this off.

The other part: Q-Bert is about as relevant to the current club scene as Abba. And would probably have far less name recognition with the average 2011 club-goer.

who cares about q bert. he dont mix. he scratches. ask him what he thing about auto scratch. now thats legendary!

fuck auto sync. lets get serato to do auto scratch!!!

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You know what you did there right? You did EXACTLY what news agencies do to make a certain point. You EDITED exactly what you wanted to.

However, the real response which you posted later:


Makes more sense coming from anyone who understands what sync does and doesn't do for you.

Next time, don't edit shit to try to prove a point that isn't there. :)

wow somebody just got OWNED!

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comin from a genre that mostly use auto sync , this is my answer .......


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hey numbnuts.

you do realize both quotes are from me right?

the first one was basically a summary, the second i actually took the time to transcribe it for you.

you know more and more i think i shouldnt do anything nice for you guys.

and people wonder why this forum has such a bad reputation among dj's on the net. its because of guys like you henry gq.

not only do you hurt the forums. but you actually drive sales away from serato.

and yes, its something the serato guys DO talk about. we actually had a talk at namm about how there are too many guys on these forums, whos posts hurt their sales. specifically siting their bad attitudes.

think about that next time you post.

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hey double numbnuts,

You do realize that I did realize AND I EVEN POINTED OUT that both quotes were from you. Right? Want to get owned twice? I bet you do.

Like I said, you MADE IT SEEM in your edited form of WHAT HE ACTUALLY said, like he didn't think it was a big deal. But, once you read the trascript (again, that you posted), you can see the truth.



If you want to do something nice, report the truth first. Not some edited version of what you think someone tried to say.

"think about that next time you post. "

No. You THINK about what you post before you post it. You can't fool veterans. You really can't. So, don't even try.

PS.

owned again.

Watchwww.youtube.com

and fail quote FTW. :)

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ROTFL

Good one BuddyLove, LOL!

He just won the 2010 best DJ award - www.americasbestdj.net - that makes him kind of relevant in the public eye doesn't it?

Qbert might not be known for his mixing skills, but that doesn't mean he can't. A few years ago, people claimed he could only scratch and not juggle. A couple of juggling performances later and previous voices were silenced. You don't get to the top of the tree without being able to mix.

But yes - Qbert saying auto sync is OK will never change the minds of anyone who doesn't think it's OK. Nothing will. But mark my words - if or when it gets added, everything will be exactly the same as it was before. Nothing will change except having one more option that you don't have to use.

Again. He didn' just say "it"s Ok." lol

hahaha leave it to Qbert to make a comparison like that. I remb @ skratchcon he was talking about coconuts

^^^ But that's not what he said.

Ha!

Not taking anything away from Q-Bert, he's a dope turntablist, I dont even care if you wanna say he's the best. But his opinion on Sync is worthless to the dj community, just like that Americas Best Dj shit, Pauly D is ony 7 behind according to that list.

anyone else's opinion besides your own on sync is worthless to the dj community. "what you eat dont make me shit"

I don't think Q-Bert's opinion is worthless. As a matter of fact, I think his opinion reflects that of many seasoned DJ's/turntablists.... and NO, IT ISN'T WHAT WAS PARAPHRASED BY EITHER THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS THREAD, but rather the transcript he posted later.

yeah i kind of had to summarize at the time as the video wasnt posted yet at the time i made the post.

The irony of this post being that your explaining how this "bad attitude" is hurting the forum and discouraging sales yet you start the post off with "hey numbnuts"

really cause in the quote he says




so since most of us here are mixers isnt he saying that its NOT ok

I took that quote from Q-bert to mean if you're a person that needs to be acknowledged and are looking for props on your beatmatching when you're mixing then dont sync. But if you're more concentrated on the end result as opposed to the journey per say, then sync away.

auto sync is a horrible idea imo.

learn the basics and dj.
trial and error.

sigh. what a waste

Who gives a fuck? How many people bitched (and still do) about the wave forms? But how many people begged for pitch control on the sp6? When on vinyl did you have 6 decks with pitch control? Why not bitch about the 57 or 68 itself? Or about the dicers... denon 1000... etc etc etc etc. But all that shit is cool right?


wait I got it.... I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY PUT A RESET BUTTON ON THE MK5 PITCH.... now kids are gonna have a shortcut

FUCK


Please put sync in scratch live immediately!!!! I'm tired of people bitching about a button they don't have to click. Just do it already so the "cool kids" can get the fuck over it and stfu.

+1

but its auto sync. it does the work for you. so newbs will buy a controller and turn on auto sync and never learn anything.
imo thats a problem.

+1 i dont see how people cant grasp this, if you think people are undercutting now add a button that does the 1 piece of work that they acutually have to do

un tracking.... borinnnnng.

''just like that Americas Best Dj shit, Pauly D is ony 7 behind according to that list.''

:)

LOL next year's thread: "I just asked Pauly D what he thinks about autosync!"

pauly d makes a lot of doe as a dj, and i respect that. and he more than likely works hard for that #7 spot.

Thanks!!

no need to thank me. im being honest. i dont think you would be on any top dj lists if you werent actually grinding & putting in the work.

newbs are ALREADY buying hercules controllers with virtual dj or the xzone mix thing if I spelled it right with itch... had a kid come in to the spot i'm at on fridays and saturdays (2 floors myself and another top area dj switch floors from friday to saturday) he opened for the other dj sat night. I asked him to come downstairs when he finished his set to give me a 15 minute break..."dude I can't spin on vinyl" he was pulled by management 30 mins in to a 1.5 hour set got pissed and left. Didn't stay to learn a damn thing from us... he won't be back. These kids weed themselves out.

If you are getting work taken from you... STEP YOUR GAME UP. If an autosync kid takes your spot then guess what? You aren't doing shit to separate yourself. Anyone can beatmatch and blend. Be it by ear, setting bpm to match and cueing on the downbeat, using autosync... ANYONE can beatmatch. YOU have to show why YOU are the more talented party. Music selection, crowd control, programming, energy, and CREATIVITY.

AUTOSYNC IS NOT MAKING ANYONE LOSE GIGS
Attitude, demeanor, personality, talent, drive, professionalism, creativity, popularity etc etc is what makes a club take notice. NOT what equipment someone does or does not use.

LOL

u disagree?

I dont know where you spin but those qualitys you names are not difficult at all, crowds now are 99% top 40 sheep, they want to hear the 5 songs that are repeated on the radio all day as they heard them, theyre not there to take a musical jouney and being creative confuses them. The only people who care about creativity in a mix are other DJs, as far as music selection, programming and energy any monkey can listen to the radio for an hour and be ready and capable of programming the club for the night.

when i think of autosync, my 1st thought is the controller automatically doing the persons job, so yea, ppl losing gigs will be a direct result of autosync

Security doesn't even allow people to come and request songs. Its ALL on us. I'm sorry you don't have better venues to choose from. EVERY DJ that has walked through the door UNDERCUTTING using a dvs that is capable of autosync was asked to stop and have someone else take over for them. AUTOSYNC HAS BEEN AROUND FOR YEEEEAAAARRRRSSSSS people WAKE UP. I can have autosync in 10 minutes. Could have had autosync since like what 04-05 maybe earlier. Oh and guess what? People where sheep then too.

exactly, pretty much every new DJ ive seen just does very basic mixing, very predictable verse chorus verse mix intro into chorus mix out. They do this shit for next to nothing, if you add a feature that does THAT automatically whats to keep them from just havin any security guard do it instead of having a dj do it..whats the point of paying more than a few drinks a night when you have something literally ANYONE can do with a push of a button

LMFAO

of you said this



then this




you just contradicted yourself

Let's not bog down this thread talking about that douche. As you were people.

So...if it makes you better at what you do then use it. If it doesn't, then don't.

Same goes for EQing, scratching, a given song, or a given effect. What's the problem again?

rs

because unlike everything that you named (all of which are skills you have to aquire) the sync button is doing the work FOR YOU, you shouldnt need to have something automated tjust to be able to do it, especially something aseveryone claims is as simpke as beatmatching. Using a tool is fine, having a tool use you isnt.

If you dont think the continual automisation of the art is detrimental to not only the art but the busniess of DJing you only have to look at this forum and look at how the attitude, skill level, and perception of DJing has changed since DVS hit the streets

No such thing as auto sync. Sync yes but none of that happens automatically. Setting up beatgrids is a pita. That's a big reason I dont use the bridge much. Who has time to warp trax etc

yeah, this is one reason that I only beatgrid certain tracks in traktor, it's easier just to manually mix them than to go through and set 100s of beatgrids

Didn't Qbert also once said in a youtube vid that Traktor is slightly better then Serato?

he said that timecode response in certain situations was better

No you're simply not understanding the attitudes of new cats with all this crap.... since everything is done for them they THINK they can dj to a big room and a big crowd and since the computer does the work they are just as good as anyone. Being pulled is proof that it takes more than a computer to be a DJ. Anyone can be an ipod. NOT anyone can be a dj.

Nice try though.

If "autosync" doesn't make you a good dj, then where's the problem? anyone can be an ipod sure, but i'd rather hear shitty song selection without trainwrecks than shitty song selection WITH trainwrecks

I'd rather hear good song selection with a few train wrecks. Everyone knows that if you wanna DJ in the club today on a Fri or Sat night you have to play shit music. There are people out there that have good taste you just have to find them and throw your own events. As far as Pauly D being number 7 DJ, that's redunkulous. Im 100% positive anyone that is a celebrity or on reality TV that decides to DJ is going to do well regardless of talent because sheeple like to go to the club and see a celeb playing top 40 and shitty house not some guy they've never seen before with a buncha tracks no ones heard of. If people that haven't been in the game long enough need auto sync fuck it let em use it. If you've been around long enough to remember lugging heavy crates of records to the club chances are your in it for the long haul and Dj because it's your passion not something you got interested in cause your favorite character on a reality TV show is doing it. Those people will eventually lose interest and the true heads will remain.

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at first i thought u were calling me a douche. then i re read it. lol
i poke to much smot.

THIS is acutually the point im stressing thanks for agreeing.



And thats great they are being pulled at your spot but what shold concern you is they are GETTING ON AT YOUR SPOT to begin with, your spots good enough to pull them but in alot of places THEY ARE NOT GETTING PULLED, they play for peanuts because theyve only put a week of work in to it and are easily replaceable

As I said before its the attitude of these new cats that sucks and they have this because now more than ever the machine is doing all the work, so as we automate MORE and let the machine do MORE for us it just corrodes the situation further. Do you think any of the next gen kids getting into it now are gonna go out of their way to learn to beatmatch by ear, a skill that by learning you are forced to really listen to your music and learn about it, no they will have a button that will do it for them thereby skipping the learning process. Its the same reason we hae crap music now, because we automated eveything and made it super easy for ANYONE to make without having to dedicate and learn the craft, thats why 90% of songs suck, remixes all clash and almost every new song looks like swirl sherbert icecream in the waceforms

If a DJ does a good job, how does any of this matter? (If a DJ does a lousy job but follow all the silly "rules" that people seem emotionally-bound to imposing, does their "correctness" matter?)

Times change, they always have and always will. Don't forget that DJing itself came about by change, experimentation, and misuse -- it didn't descend from the heavens in some pure form in 1978 or 1986 or whatever.

Just because someone doesn't do something the way you were taught doesn't mean they can't make it work. (For the record, I've never hit a "sync" button in my life except for my iPhone.)

rs

No but it still follows musical rules, things like pitch, tempo, timing, bars, beats, knowing your music inside and out. Its the hands on time of learning the basics that gives alot of people feel for these things and the more of the process you automate the more people dont have to pay attn to it. The more accessable you make it and the easier you make it by automating processes and people not learning the core foundations waters down the art and culture and the low time\monetary costs of entry owers the busniess

Ummmm.....I agree with Xtianw, the Serato Forums are far and away the most egotistical, protective bunch that I've ever seen on any forum.

To get on here complaining when your are using a DVS system that lets you basically "cheat" by using digital files rather than REAL vinyl and have a problem with a feature that can or not be used by professionals as well as newbies is just.....HYPOCRITICAL.

Many a so called "REAL" DJ have argued against using DVS/controllers because newbies would take over the whole world and think they can DJ now without having to clean needles, do vinyl hunting, carry heavy ass turntables and records and troubleshoot audio connection problems......WAAAH WAAAH WAAAH.

Well look....you still have a job, people are still wanting to see Jazzy Jeff (a real legend in my book) and still understand the difference between someone who has put in the real work and talent into the craft.

Not to diminish your hatred of Synch or Autosynch, but to believe that one button will forever diminish the art of the DJ and open the whole world to it is just not realistic.

I never thought DJ Qbert was a mix DJ per se, but to actually think he can't mix(well) is somewhat disrespecting and foolish. I would much rather hire DJ Jazzy Jeff to rock a party (I'm old skool) then Qbert, but in no way would form words to say Qbert isn't up to being the #1 DJ. It is all a matter of perspective.

I agree with Scratchworx, just because YOU don't value his opinion on the subject doesn't mean that millions of people, (like every reputable trade magazine, website) does is going to agree with you. He brought thousands of people back into respecting the art and differentiating professional DJ's from those that put minimal time into the art.

If DJ Jazzy Jeff or (pick your own DJ) used Synch to get onto another part of their performance, are you going to have a fit and say they are not relevant to what what YOU think is the definition of a real DJ?

I just don't get the paranoia coming out about the so called kids cheating and taking over your gigs.

It's like saying that now that we have auto-tune, a kid can get on the stage and be considered as great as Michael Jackson in a live performance.

Not going to happen!!!

I already know I'm gonna get dogged to death for this but here goes...
SSL added a sync button and does an auto beatmatch now? I had no idea. I have no need for it, but what an entertaining concept.

Not at all since the DVS dosent do any work FOR you




are you talking about the jazzy jeff that was booted off stage for playing hiphop?? Ya the scenes really gotten better



they are




Really because last i checked pauly D was # 7 in americas best DJs, and sells out shows OVER people jeff...he took ams job remember



Its not just 1 button its the continous automation of the craft



its not paranoia when its very clearly happening all around you



Perfect example, how many TPain albums did you hear before autotune....now listen to the radio for an hour, pretty much every note sung is massivley overproduced to the point where they sound like alien robots, name ONE singer youve heard on the radio in the last 5 years who can acutually sing without autotune, what happened was there was a TOOL (autotune) created that if used RIGHT can be used to fix mistakes and talentless people latched onto it and relied on it soley. Since so many people did it its now accecptable to sound liek a character from an NES game for an entire album

Problem solved....guess the world will blow up now.

Just kidding guys. I do understand your concerns, it just seems WAAAY blown out of proportion to what the reality may be.

Apparently you guys are very skilled and have put in the work, it's not good to see a snot nose coming and saying they can do a better job than you can without knowing how to beat match on their own.

We were all those young kids looking at some talented DJ and here we are disrespecting the craft with a DVS\controller.

What is the world coming to these days.

All i have to do to prove my point is this

Since DVS came out and made it easier and more accessable for joe everyone to be a DJ

1) Has the overall talent level of DJing overall gone
.......A) UP
.......B) Down

2) Has the wage of DJs in general gone
.......A)UP
.......B) Down

3) Automating aspects of Ding makes it even MORE accessable to joe everyone
........A) True
........B) False

@Dj-M.Bezzle, I hear what you are saying but there is no way to stop it other than to elevate the level you are playing.


The DVS does alot of work for you. The constant digging, setting up the records at an angle to cue your albums for next play in the crate. Marking the record/album with the BPM, constantly making sure you haven't burned out the track because of excessive playing on the tables, cleaning of the needles, manually cueing all your records, etc.


Auto-tune was used as a tool outside of it's intended purpose. Doesn't mean it and by itself destroyed the music industry.

I agree there is no way to stop it and thats the sad part, we no longer live in a time where people are inpressed by talent, we live in a time when someone sees talent and gets pissed they cant do it and demand an automation to put them on the same level they saw.

I dont necessarily agree that elevating what you play is a good fix. In my area about 3 people acutually use CDJs or TTs (including myself) and know what they are doing the rest are using virtual DJ and crap with auto everything, straight keyboard gangstas and thats what crowds have become accustomed to, its become the norm to the point where you try to break a new track, play something thats not common on the radio, or even scratch or mix out of a track without letting 99% of it play and they are close to rioting.



Some of these are stretching for "the dvs does it for you" argument, for example you still have to set cue points, pick your next track, (in the case of TTs with DVS) clean your needles and watch out for record wear




Exactly my point, it was a tool intended for a purpose and now its a crutch, thats used by people who have NO CLUE what the original purpose was. The same way suto sync would be a great tool fro someone like jeff whos doing some advanced ish to bridge things together but the overall end result will be a scene full of people who are using it to bridge together their entire set.

Why would a club pay a DJ a respectable price when all they have to do is buy a harddrive full of songs with intros, the DVS, and have some bouncer hit the sync button between each song for a couple extra drinks a night

True...However, that is a good thing in my opinion. everything seems to be a cycle. There is always this new fangled thing that emulates what actually took skill to do and then eventually it comes back to the real. It happens with fashion, cars and many other things.

A DVS/controller is only a tool. One that damage or elevate an industry.

Again, I hear your argument, but I think it's over blown in a sense.

On your points...


Are you using ANY of the Features that a DVS gives you or are you only using it in a purist fashion to mix, cue, scratch two songs?

Have you now or in the future thinking about using a controller, whether to play music or cue sounds like the trigger finger?

Are you using the new fangled way to get your music (online) or are you still getting your music by vinyl hunting?

Have you ever DJ'ed with a CDJ, used a sampler or other abberation of the purist DJ?

All great points and very valid. In the short term it may be damaging, but just like with what happened with Milli Vanilli( or whatever) that crutch can only last so long and then the masses will demand real talent.

That is our and your greatest strength.....Real talent.

Unfortunately in the short term it may artificially damage the industry, but in the long run....those tools should be available even if abused.

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+1 yes to all of these. Like i said before in the jeff example (not claiming to be anywhere near jeff) im in no way a purist, and im also not going to get left behind on principle but using me as a perfect example i only spun breaks when i played vinyl so it was all about the blend no scratching looping ect. Now im into hiphop and club ish and i can hit the loop button and hit a loop without having to juggle 2 records....now i have no idea how to beat juggle, never learned the precise record control thay doing so would have afforded me, and dont really care because i have that buttton that can do it for me, i would have been a MUCH more talented DJ without that button and my performance suffers for it.

Also I still dig for real vinyl, especially breaks and EDM, i still spin vinyl at my house, i learned and got into the game WITHOUT DVS so i had to aquire the skills i have now the old fashion way and i learned ALOT through the process.Im deeply respectful for the art and the culture it represents.....the reality is for every 1 of me there are 150 guys who see the DJ as a way to get pussy, dont care about the culture, want to do as little work as possible who run around calling themselves DJs and the more you automate the process the more legit they look and they more people classify peoople like myself with those people.

And if we are still using me as an example i should post a mix, the fact that i not only have a job but a job in a PRIME location in my city will show you how DVS has lowered the bar.....i shouldnt be alloud NEAR a booth let alone on a flier\radio\billboard ect

I disagree, milli vanilli was caught lip syncing and was booed out of the industry to forever be a joke and never be heard of again....how many people have been caught lip syncing since then?? Britney spears, jessica simpson, ashley simpson, miley cirus. These are some extremley high selling artists and NOONE CARED they didnt lose their careers people still bought their albums. Hell if people demand talented name ONE talented person in the billboard top 10?

I dotn think its a short term thing, the more accessable you make this the more subpar talent gets shine, the more people are exposed to subpar talent the more they percieve THAT as how it should be and the further away from appreciating real talent they get. I know young cats now who think mary j blige is a HORRIBLE singer and britney spears has a true talent. SERIOUSLY. Thats because there is so much SUBPAR singing that GOOD singing sounds funney to them

Do you guys think that Mary J Blige is a good singer? Better than Spears? So you do recognize talent! Blige still sells albums, therefore 1000's of other people appreciate good talent.

There is MORE to being a good DJ than just syning records. If you fall in the category of "Good Dj" - you should NOT feel threaten by a DVS feature that IS coming.

I think autosync is just a sad pathetic reality we can't stop from happening because there are too many dumbasses out there that think its essential.

Seriously takes me seconds to cue and match up a song with a DVS- now you want to press a button? Shame on you.

This is a big reason MANY artist got into what they are doing....especially Rock and roll. I don't have a problem with those reasons. I think more so than the features we are talking about, the real problem is the industry, promoters, club owners and gig sponsors.

Also the DJ industry as a whole. The DJ industry used to be about community, helping each other out, and teaching someone else your craft of real talent. Now it seems to be about what each individual person can do for themselves.
If the DJ industry was serious about this issue, then heavyweights like Qbert, Tiesto, Jazzy Jeff, Paul Van Dyk, DeadMau5 would step up and challenge any promoter, club owner, etc by refusing to play at venues that don't hire real talent. Not just top names, but people that can demonstrate a knowledge, skill or other criteria that shows they have put in the minimal hours of real practice to be there. Also, trade Magazines, websites should encourage newbies and others to learn the craft by promoting (hard) the actual died in the wool DJ's.








That statement is a testament to how a real DJ should view themselves compared to what they consider talent.

Some will look at you and envy what you are doing, but it's obvious you have put in the work.

Just as protools has replaced huge need for a live band and multiple billed hours in the studio, so will DVS/controllers do for our industry.

However, in the right hands, those tools are an incredible help to those who have put in the real work.

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look at your own example THOUSANDS of people appreciate good talent, whereas MILLIONS of people jock britney spears, now if you were a club owner or an event thrower which are you going to book the person 1000 people appreciate or the person 1 MILLION people appreciate, now add in that the person with a million people is charging LESS for the service...you do the math

Would you really turn down a pay check?

you missed the point completly. Besides, comparing these singers to Djing is apples and oranges.

That's funny that you think they'd do that. Why would anybody like that stick their neck out? Bullshit they care- they're getting paid.

the honest truth is if those artists said ok we are not playing at places that dont respect skill, those places would just hire people like nick hogan, tommy lee, sasha grey, will i am, pauly d ect ect...and make MORE money than they would with the aformentioned artists.

Heres a another truth that alot of djs on here overlook, the majority of the crowd, bar employees, owners, promoters ect HATE YOU, they think your cocky assholes who wont take requests, charge to much, have big heads, ect. They all would LOVE to replace you because to them you do NOTHING, BUT they cant because you can do something that they and most others cant and that STARTS at beatmatching. The more you start taking away YOUR OWN leverage the more you give it to THEM to replace you with people who will glady take requests, play music people know, play 3 songs 10 times an hour, just play whats on the radio, kiss ass to the bottle service crowd, charge "accordingly" (very few people really think your worth over $50), do promo, ect ect ect

It seems we are getting waaaay off the topic of this thread. I don't see the Synch or Autosynch as being intrinsically evil anymore than I see spell correction being bad or evil.

Put ANY tool in the wrong hands and it's a weapon.



According to what the purpose is. Individually maybe or no, but as a group yes.

If you talk about artist, then some people can hold their own against the average person. For example, I didn't think Christina Aguilera could sing simply because I was so used to pop singers not having real talent compared to what was before them.
Until....I actually HEARD her sing live at the Grammys. She has an incredible voice, but the industry....to sell albums...dumbs down the actual quality and has her singing isht songs for mass appeal.

Same thing with Justin Bieber, he can actually sing, as he proved by being an amateur on Youtube before hitting this isht out here in the industry.

Now neither of these are what I traditionally call my thing compared to Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Donnie Hathaway, Celine Dion etc, but my point is that many times it is not a lack of talent or not knowing how to do something as it is more an acceptance by the industry to isht released with minimal effort.

As a group, the top DJ' have the power to change that perception. Of course it doesn't help that some of them became the top Dj's using controllers and pure digital means, but there is no denying the actual talent is there.

I DON'T think they would stick their neck out....obviously they are not. But don't put the problem on newbies wanting to hit a synch button, when you really know where the problem lies.

I think spell corretion has seriously impacted people ability to spell and thack thereof




further proving my point from all angles that the more you put out subpar talent the more societey grasps that as what it SHOULD be, and that it is in the industrys nature to do things with the lease amount of effort

why so serious ? LOL

As crazy as it sounds, it seems lack of spell check did nothing to motivate people to learn to spell.

Lack of auto-synch will not necessarily motivate them to learn to beat match but definitely hearing how it's SUPPOSED to sound with Auto-synch will motivate them to get it right or recognize when it's wrong.

Doesn't mean it won't be abused.


further proving my point from all angles that the more you put out subpar talent the more societey grasps that as what it SHOULD be, and that it is in the industrys nature to do things with the lease amount of effort


Sooooo....is the problem the people that are consuming the art (listeners/dancers) or the industry cutting corners and the artist letting them do it?

No people used to at least attempt to spell right, now they just have to get it near right and the computer corrects it for them, they never even know their spelling it wrong.



ummmm ya lack of autosync DEFINATLEY caused people who wanted to DJ in clubs learn to beatmatch



you acutually think people are going to hit the autosync button, hear what its SUPPOSED to sound llike then go back and learn manually? Why would then when its done for them,?



both

I think if a person wants to know about a craft, then yes they will try to learn it both ways- Old skool for respect among their peers and new school for money and quick mixes.

Yes, many people use things like mixmeister Fusion to stage a mix for the studio or get certain ideas and then can do that live in the mix or at a club.

It is another tool.

oh em gee

TL;DR

i watched this as i was setting up my ones n twos (FINALLY came in the male) and after i saw qbert next to the jesus looking dude i knew it was a sighn from the lord.

i think jesus loves controllers now.

fuck turntables. im asking mom to help me find KTP (kracked traktor pro) and im buying an NS7 so i can skratch like tha other guy too.

i just returned serato yesterday. what a load of...... well, there wasnt much in there.... trackter ftw!?

LOL! M bezzle like embezzle
like money that you steal from hard working people reputations.

sound like those newbs that dont know wat there doing using the name 'dj' to sound like there good compared to the dudes that get VDJ (virtual disk jockey lol sounds so dumb) and sit in their room lol

sry i misspoke wen i said "like money that you steal from hard working people reputations." i was defining embezel. not m bezzel.

but does he steal monie? thats not cool dude.

Another idiot Dj talking about how stupid it is to use the synch function. Check out time position 2:09.
Watchwww.youtube.com

lawls i hate to break it to you but the vidz only like a min long lolol

and im not stupid! i thiink getting an ns7 is a smart idea.

Sorry wrong link, was working on a tablet. try this link at time slot 2:09
Watchwww.youtube.com

dude, have you tried using your ipad to dj? i want to get an ipad for that.

u think my dad would let me use his evo orgy?

www.djjohnnym.com

is that a clip from juice? with omar eps from house?

sum·ma·rize [ súmmə rz ]
make summary: to give a shortened version of something that has been said or written, stating its main points

but this was recorded

imma go ahead and say it...

q-bert is a has been... love and respect for his skill and what he has done but he is a has been....

Ya know... I can somewhat see where you are coming from since there are a lot of great scratch DJs out there nowadays... but Qbert is a legend... no one has single handedly done more to push turntablism (IMO) and even a lot of the technology has been influenced by him... Maybe other DJs may be coming close to his precision and sheer technique when it comes to scratching, but he was definitely an innovator... and I would argue that most of the DJs who call him a "has been" would love to have a scratch session with him... Unless he goes deaf or loses both hands, Q is still a beast when it comes to scratching...

As far a technology goes and how it affects DJing etc, I will always say this to the critics... You better be rockin' Victrolas and at nothing better than a Gemini Jazzy Jeff mixer to talk shit about technology.

Agreed.

Funny how he can stomp all over their ass and he is a "has been".

For the record, everyone is a has been. There is always some disrespecting younger person who "thinks" they can do what a person does better.

Of course their name is probably unknown and haven't given back to the community such as actually teaching people how to do what he does. They haven't elevated "ANYTHING" to another level. They are not even humble about the skills they have, yet they so flippantly can roll of the "has been" label.

No disrespect because I don't know what you have done or who you really are, but if you haven't even done half of what the person has done at least stop being a whiny brat and have a little respect.

I will wager to say some will probably call you a "has been- that never was"

But what do I know, maybe you have won EVERY major award in your industry for multiple years IN A ROW until you just quit to let someone else have a go?

If I sound a little teed off, it's simply because the level of flippantly pushing another fellow DJ in the gutter has become the NEW skill of the so called new DJ's.

They have no sense of community, all about themselves and what Junior mr badass can do, regardless of the fact that Jr badass can't even get into the same show as the "has been". Of course Roc-raida was a has been, he just smoked all their asses until he died and then you hear all this whiny isht about him being a legend from those same Jr bad asses.

A little respect and humbleness for others and your craft goes a long way.

for the record, should have cut out thebeatworx quote, as it was not directed to his comment and I agree totally with what he was saying.

which is a product of not having to do the same amount of work to aquire the level of talent they do...ie automating processes

which is life,

"oh you niggas is doing long division in your head? fuck that you has been, my TI-96+++ calculatron will do that shit way faster, you suck at math!"

TI-96+++ calculatron is the shit that toddlers use now.

I got a Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7. Wet-wired. It's what all the console cowboys are using these days noob.

Watchwww.youtube.com

that sums it all up

So because q Has the skill level that is of the charts we should make a big fucking deal about how he feels about any thing that comes out his mouth? Fuck that. The man puts on his pants the same way we all do.

I think the point was not that he is the god of all the world because of his skills, but if you are going to ask anyone about it, that was a good place to start.

It's like asking someone who just picked up a hercules controller yesterday their opinion on the DJ scene, as opposed to asking someone like you with considerable experience.

It doesn't make your opinion any more valuable, it's just an opinion, but it definitely carries more credibility.

see another DJ: Richie Hawtin describe how he uses synch Watchwww.youtube.com ----forward to 2:05 in the video.

Not the end all be all, but just an opinion and how he uses it. He definitely knows how to beat match but uses it as a tool to further his live playing.

just wanted to add one thing, the ability to find new music is greatly diminished by the lack of crate digging. Also there are tracks out there that havent made it to mp3. Perfect example I have a white label that was given to me aprox. 4 or 5 yrs ago by the artist. I just received the mp3 from a DJ pool. Therefore I have been dropping a tune that not many people have heard way before most people even knew it was released. If you guys think that auto scratch and auto sync will replace a good DJ your wrong. Can auto sync beat match double time do a scratch and drop the beat to regular time. It seems to me that these buttons will emulate a mix to a certain point but it can never replace creativity and the full capability of fingers on vinyl.

That was never the conversation. I would say 90% of us never use synch. Personally I forget the thing is on and try to do a change freestyle and the computer will try to compensate by slowing down or speeding up the playing track....not good.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the overall conversation was that it's not the scourge that some make it out to be if used to accomplish other things in your performance. This is what I gather from both Q and Hawtin on the subject.

I would never promote synch or Auto-synch to new DJ and would argue vehemently against it other than to show how it sounds matched correctly.


Auto-synch is different, in that it will automatically

hit the post by mistake.....If I could put in a request to Serato it would be for..............

A EDIT FUNCTION ON THE FORUM!!!!!!

As I understand it, auto-synch is different, in that it will automatically mix or synch songs in a list. At least that is how some are using that terminology in this thread (more Auto-play).

That should ONLY be used if taking the quick run to the bathroom, talking to the waitress as to what drink you REALLY ordered and.....hmmmm.... never should be used and especially not with someone else's mixes.

I suppose it all depends on what kinda music you play and what kinda DJ you are. I personally have never hit auto sync in my life. My point is that technology can be a great help for some but there are still things that technology cannot do ; find good music or give you the ability to freestyle scratch....etc... I am in no way a purist just saying technology has its limits and it all depends on how you use it. I can see for someone who spins house and wants to play 3 or 4 tracks at once this could be a great help. Or in the club to give you a chance to set something else up. But has anyone here seen a DJ play on four turntables? It is really a sight to see.... I

lol just hit post by accident too....to finish my comment.... By using auto sync feature and standing over a laptop and a cdj your really not giving your audience much too look at. The dj is supposed to be a performer and rock the house. When people dont really see you do anything except stand there, you dont really look like your doing anything.

+1

sure and in these situations your safe, which is why people like qbert dont mind it but in alot of places people only WANT to hear the BS hot garbage thats on the radio and arent into all that crazy scratching. EVen in these situations DJs still hold power and can expose audiences to new ish but if you automate the basics you taker that power from the DJ and make it so that there never is elevation because people who dont care about takin it to the next level take the reigns



its a sight to see because its hard to do, automate it and a 4 year old can do it

I guess it boils down to if you wanna make money or stay true to the art. If being a DJ is your hobby or even if its a part time job, you choose what clubs and events you play at. IF a certain venue is making you play top 40 garbage and you consider yourself to be a master of your craft why are you spinning there in the first place. I recently had one such gig. Personally I don't listen to the radio nor do I know whats hot in the top 40 world. You know what I did to prepare, got a buddy who spins that type of garbage to give me all the "hottest" tracks ran those through mixed in key. Played a buncha garbage I had never heard before and blended it all perfectly, got paid at the end of the night... Thanks technology. That's not my usual steez but if I can avoid hearing garbage I will. Now if I had to listen to all the tracks I planned on spinning beforehand and figure out the tempos and drum kits that match, it would have been time consuming and painful. Now if I get booked to spin my usual genres I know that the people in that club came to hear something different and have open minds therefore I can get pretty creative and play whatever I want. That's where the art comes in. Now correct me if I am wrong but what you are worried about is a DJ with a lower skill level, no respect for the art and the long years a lot of us put into learning our craft going to a club and playing shit music and using a button to mix for less money, is going to replace the real DJ. I think your wrong. I mean sure these kids are out there but they wont replace us. If you have an audience that came to see you preform you have nothing to worry about. If your audience is buncha college kids that have never heard real hip hop screaming over the music to hear the latest YOUNG(insert shitty dirty south rapper name here) then maybe your playing at the wrong venues/clubs. Now if you are a DJ who does this professionally and it is your only job why do you wanna listen to music you dont like for the sake of a paycheck. Fuck it use the button and collect the pay because chances are thats all your there for anyway.

Automating the process downgrades both the art ant the busniess. it downgrades the are as thats just one more piece of performing that you dont have to do and most will never learn and its a basis for everything that should come next. It downgrades the money because its no longer a talent ANYONE can do it



my point EXACTLY you didnt even listen to the songs and you pulled it off, so if you automate the process whats to keep the clubowner for paying his bouncer an extra $10 to do it weekly??




so acutually putting effort would be painful so you used tech to skip it, which is exactly what im saying noobs are going to be using it for



its happening all around me as we speak




depending on your area that may be the only scene there is, Im in the south...NOONE has heard real hiphop here, every artist they know\want to hear in ANY venue is going to be a lil___ young___ song with a dance instruction, where im from you have 2 choices, hot radio pop garbage or underground mixtape garbage



your making assumptions on wether or not we like the music, i like playing hot garbage, its fun to me.

sync isn't new though. Why hasn't it already turned the bouncer or bartender into the dj M-bezzle?

Agreed, apparently that is the real problem. People want to hear it, clubs want people to hear what they want and DJ's need the money, so no change.

newbies come on the scene see a very nice but very uncomplicated set and say they can do better. They practice a couple of months(max) on the shiny new controllers and can duplicate your set in no time flat for 1/2 the price.

So again, you can't change what people want to hear or what club owners will pay. Only as a group speaking out can Dj's change this add water---instant DJ progression.

Ive seen it plenty

+1 the street i play on has about a hundred clubs and bars, on the entire street there are THREE places with experienced djs using turntables or cdjs, the trest are using mixmiester, VDJ, itunes dj and things of that nature and they either have in house staff (aka security) or frat boys running the music.

Ive tried to get gigs in these places and the answer from the owners is always the same, "why should I pay you to do what that kid in there is doing for free, the crowds still get to hear all the songs they want and noone complains about a dj not playing their song"

not if you keep automating things and taking the ONLY leverage a dj has and handing it to everyone in the room

So again, you can't change what people want to hear or what club owners will pay. Only as a group speaking out can Dj's change this add water---instant DJ progression.

We should form a political party DJs against no skill.....




I feel bad for you M-bezzel if thats the only choices you have but hey if you enjoy it then all the power to you.

wow i fucked up all my quotes
sorry

We did that and it worked great for a minute, then everyone just went back to doing what they were doing before, the ridiculous part was we were doing Fl breakbeat specific shows, it was advertised as such and thats all we were playing and about 80% of the people who came in would come in look at us crazy then bitch about why we werent playing lil wayne or lil boosie.



see heres the thing most people on this board dont grasp when i get on my soapbox to preach this stuff, most everyone on here is from a fairly large city. I concede that LA, NY, MIA, Vegas ect aret really gonna suffer from autosync, my city is big enough but def not in the top 20, i consider my area kinda typical in what ive seen in equal size and smaller places which MOST of the country is. These places dont have PURE and RAIN and whatever the hell other clubs lebron is renting out, they also dont have a plethora of dj vices and a-traks to show people what real djing is so people dotn have the same respect for it. They arent lookign for people who are talented and creative, they just want vanillia but luckily im able to put some sprinkle on top because i have control. Take that control away and i see about 89% of the country going vanilla and calling that the norm. With noone doing it legit or caring i dont see how the next gen of DJs gets exposed, taught ect any kind of creativity, the same way when radio stations sold out the waves to a 4 song system now people EXPECT a 4 song system and wig otu when they dotn get it

It sounds as if your frustration is misplaced. Many of us sympathize with what you're saying, as we have paid our dues many times over.

Do I require anyone to go back and have all the burdens, (which I was happy to have at the time), that I/we had back then to be called a DJ?
No, but I do expect certain skills.

They don't even have most of the songs out on Vinyl, so why would I expect them to pick up the old skool way of playing the music?

In the past, we had to sacrifice a single to continue to use it as a loop track/scratch track while keeping the other for regular play (conserving it). Do I require or even think newbies should have to do that? No, but I still don't expect them to disrespect the time and patience devoted to that.

The love of the cover art of albums and colored records has all but disappeared, but the DJ scene still goes on and actually progresses.

Either way, instead of trying to stop a feature, which can actually help some professionals, maybe the emphasis should be directed to speaking out about what is expected to be called a DJ.

You definitely have valid concerns, it's just that Serato adding or not adding a feature that EVERYONE has the choice of using or not using is well....unfounded.

Most competing programs and even Serato ITCH has had this feature for some time.

See and thats my point, you put this button in that beatmatches for you, you can easily buy a harddrive that has all intro edits to all the hot ish or join a pool and have a lifetime collection of every hot song a dj can play, all you have to do is press the button when the chorus starts and move the fader over, all you have do to please 90% of crowds now adays is play the 7 or so songs that are on the radio RIGHT NOW over and over all night.

With all that who ISNT a DJ, what speacialness or SKILL is there left to define a dj, i know theres scratching but overall i see that dissappearning. Song selection is a and creativity is a joke and so is programming because like i said people just want to hear whats hot right now and on the radio, anyone who has an hour or so to listen to the radio can program a night, plus in case your a just a huge re-re the crowd has NO problems letting you know what THEY want to hear.

yes and in case you havent noticed those programs are overtaking SL daily. ANd the more people focus on those the better the developers will make the feature, im sure autoscratch WILL come out downt the line soon then what else is left.

I shuder to think what DJing will be in 5 to 10 years, from where i see it going is clubs buy a kit, set up the computer and pay their security guy to sit there and drop tracks that peopel ask for into a list and hit the scratch button here and there for $15.

FUN = 0

+1
My sentiments exactly I think what we should be focusing on is trying to educate the younger people getting into DJing. I mean if all your using that button for is beatmatching how much fun can you really be having standing there pressing something every few minutes.
As far as the situation in your town M-bezzle that must be really frustrating and I do sympathize with you as well. What about Dancehall and Miami Bass that always gets the party moving?

Hey at least well always have the DMC. North America might be heading that way but the Uk is pretty die hard.

M.Bezzle,

I like your take on this, you are passionate and correct in stating the detrimental effect of synch can have on djing. But, you are also a realist who understands it will happen. Serato is in a tough position with the free upgrade promise.

dancehalls a nogo but i stay playing some miami bass

Do you understand that most of us hear you? It changes nothing unfortunately.
So, what is YOUR solution? Go backwards, remove any and all the easier functions for fear of progress?

It starts with the superstars like Q, Hawtin, Tiesto , Jazzy Jeff, ETC. These are the guys who have to speak out about it OR a huge group of Serato DJ's nag the hell out of scratchworx, djtechtools, and other Dj centric sites to start covering this. You can start with Gizmo on Scratchworx....cool guy?

thats what you think serato is now the sponsor of the DMC so good by vinyl skills and hello dicer looping

Do you understand that most of us hear you? It changes nothing unfortunately.
So, what is YOUR solution? Go backwards, remove any and all the easier functions for fear of progress?

It starts with the superstars like Q, Hawtin, Tiesto , Jazzy Jeff, ETC. These are the guys who have to speak out about it OR a huge group of Serato DJ's nag the hell out of scratchworx, djtechtools, and other Dj centric sites to start covering this. You can start with Gizmo on Scratchworx....cool guy?

Don't know why it double posted.

Either way, start the discussion on some of those sites, to see where it goes.

Also, about the DMC, from what I understand they are now allowing controllers like the NS7 into the competition.

Sign of the times.

thank bro i appreciate it, i know i just argue to argue but this is something im serious about, and its not a "SERATO DONT DO THIS OR I QUIT" argument because those are ridiculous, I know its comming and its here or whatever i just want people to really understand and look 5 to 10 years out and see the reality of how this really impacts us. not just YOU but the culture. I didnt get into DJIng because of the money of fame or pussy i got inot it because it was a culture i revere and it shows in my performance because im one of the few PUSHING the envelope because i dont want to just do the job, i want to add to the culture and try to realise the ideals of the peopel who laid down the groundwork for me to be here doing this, just the fact that i am able to do what people i looked up to did at one point astounds me. But its such a bitch that it happened at a period of time when someone asks me what do you do and i say im a dj and the 1st reply is "OHHH IM A DJ TOO, or OHHH MY BROTHERS A DJ", but thats followed by "ya i got this lil hercules controller thing from best buy 2 weeks ago and im BAD ASS and i need a place to spin can i come up there, do you use VDJ cause thats what i use it makes it SOOO easy." And they really think they are in a catagory with me, or i do the same thing their wack ass friend does in his moms kitchen.

The culture we know today is HERE AND ALIVE because we all grew up or were around these cats who were doing big things, watching DMCs, doin house partys, showing skill and competeing. I remember going to buku housepartys in the NOLA with some cat rockin vinyl of some remix i had never heard of a pop song and people losin their minds, whodai would be reckin it because thats how he lived that what he practiced it was his thing and it was because NOONE ELSE IN THE ROOM COULD DO IT. Look at what kids are growin up lookin at now, pauly D and dj nick hogan slamming records and the kids around them buying controllers and using autosync because the salesman at GC explained to them that TTs take effort but with this they can be starts next week.

TRUE STORY the guy who plays the main room at our spot was late so i was running back and forth covering both rooms, the owner went and got the DJ from next door because they hadnt really opened yet and asked him to play so i didnt have to run back and forth...DUDE DIDNT KNOW HOW TO POWER ON THE TT OR WHAT THE PITCH FADER WAS FOR

And what kills me is every one of us sees\saw what happened to hiphop and its the same thing, hiphop was good because it used to take a talented person to do it, beats were bad ass baecause you needed expensive equipment that everyone didnt have and when you bought that shit yuo put in WORK, and cats had to pay to have studio time and had to have shit pressed up there was WORK that went into it. The the computer made it to where every soldier boy wanna be can make a beat in fruity loops use a pc mic to drop a rap and burn it and put it on youtube, and everyone stopped looking for good artists and just sayin fucjk it i can do this and get paid I CAN BE THE STAR fuck payin them for shit.

I realises it changes nothing, im not trying to prevent anything and im going to keep using what i can to elevate what i know, i just want people to realise whats going on when they beg for this damn button. It saddens me that the cultrue is sick and people arent taking it to the hospital, ive seen almost every genre of music that i enjoy get super watered down and now im seeing this go to

This is kinda how I feel bout it check it this interview

Watchwww.youtube.com

and if you really really wanna get into it i dont think alot of cats completley grasp how fucked we are with computers. Ive worked sooooo many jobs that were automated, when i worked at papa johns the phone girls got fired because they added online ordering and they pushed advertising to have more people use that and made the cooks answer the phones, when i workd at express in the mall and at my jewelery kiosk i get people who come look and say "oh i can get this cheaper off the internet", the blockbuster closed because of red box. I know people want to save money but they dotn realsie these jobs are leaving and NEVER comming back, the more you automate the cheaper things can be because yuor not paying people to do it, and you can pay them less because less knowledge is required. All these people getting replaced are now flooding the fields that are not being replaced or their jobless and dont have money to spend which fucks YOU busniess up.

bezzle, yeah that's how shit's being going for ever. it's all about the $$$. outsourcing

I'm starting to wonder about that....even though we mostly agree with you, you still pound the issue.
Can you in no way see that the one feature will NOT kill DJ'ing as we know it?

It's a deeper thing than the ability to automate a process. I know you are seeing it in your venues, but heres the thing; as hideaf and others have said, there are ways to take those things back. If 40 of us hit up your area and agreed to DJ for a couple of weeks for the exact same fee (don't care if it's $50 or whatever) get the crowd used to live real DJ's and the scene WILL start to develop a taste for that. It doesn't matter if it's top 40 or whatever, play what they want to hear now, but wow them with your other skills until they yearn for it.

It's extremely hard to eat spam after dining on steak and shrimp for weeks and be told it's just as good.

Soooooo....in my final post on this subject to you....I hear you and agree with 90% of what you are saying but I don't think the new school Dj's, the audience or the SYNCH BUTTON is the problem....rather that there is no group of DJ's within the industry standing up and recognizing that their voice has to be heard in NUMBERS at different venues. Starting with the superstars of the industry on down to the working DJ's in the clubs and mobile spots.

If you are serious about it as you seem, speak out on DJ sites and in magazines. Get a group of people to approach the club owner and ask does he have real Dj's playing the spot, if not report that club on your own website or other forums as not having real DJ's. Don't hate on a DJ simply because his skills is below yours, but blatant ignorance behind the music can't be stood for.

Put your obvious passion to use, rather than preaching to choir as they say.


TRUE STORY the guy who plays the main room at our spot was late so i was running back and forth covering both rooms, the owner went and got the DJ from next door because they hadnt really opened yet and asked him to play so i didnt have to run back and forth...DUDE DIDNT KNOW HOW TO POWER ON THE TT OR WHAT THE PITCH FADER WAS FOR

T

lol what do you think im doing

Understood, but hear what I'm saying.
ORGANIZE rather than talking about a feature that is 100% going to be in SSL if not now, then later as in every other software out there.

Don't beat a dead horse.
Get another one (approach it in a different way) :)

Im gunna have to agree with dj cs on this one. It is an important subject. But you are preaching to the choir. Im pretty sure every DJ here is pissed about the progression of djing in general. Im quite surprised that they are allowing serato and controllers in the DMC a real sign of the times and how will the judge juggles?

i dont know what to make of you sometimes bezzle. you contridict yourself a lot. one minute you say you understand sync is needed for dj software to remain competitive, then rail against it.

the world changes. markets change.

but when it comes to music, let me pull the bus over here for a second. ive got years of experience working with the recording industry. ive got quite a few very close personal friends in very huge bands with multi platinum sales. ive seen quite a few times why music gets watered down. let me assure you it has nothing to do with the fretlight guitar, or ableton, or any other piece of technology. it has everything to do with the marketting department.

its a wierd time for labels. they dont really understand how to make money anymore. their distribution and business model changed and what artists needed them for in the past, well that went away. they try to blame it on piracy but piracy isnt the problem. it's that their model was destined to fail. artists dont need them for studio time, they dont need them for post production. you need a computer and you can email producers your stems directly and cut out the label entirely. which is fantastic for artists. bad for labels that relied on those services and providing loans to artists for those services.

to be fair, they had it coming. theyd mark those services up like 1000% and charge interests on those loans to pay for them at like 15% interest. karmas a bitch recording industry. so to be clear, labels for years would loan you money with a shitty interest rate, so you could give it back to them for services they were overcharging you for.

so previously, the way artists made money, in the traditional sense was this. generally they didnt make a dime off actual music sales. that all went to the label, interest, loans etc... (With a few super successful exceptions.). artists made money off tours and merch. thats how it was for years.

but now labels came up with this new scam called "the 360 deal" a few years back. basically just before the whole "screamo" thing blew up. the "360 deal" is more like a working actors contract that studios used when "i love lucy" was the biggest show on tv.

basically the artist gets a weekly salary. they give up all all royalties and said rights. they also give up most of their tour money and merch money. and get this. the label doesnt pay for the merch, nor the touring costs most of the time. so basically, the artists gets about 20% of the total take, the label gets EVERYTHING else. including ownership of your music.

Since more and more artists are refusing to sign these deals, someone in marketting had an idea. Lets make our own artists! focus them on merchanding, licensing, and products that our focus groups tell us 14 year olds will love!

So they end up making these bands, getting mediocre artists who wouldnt have any kind of successful career on their own. autotune them (and reinforcing autotune by telling all their existing artists who can, that they HAVE to use it, which they can do, under the terms of most of their contracts). market them in maximum fashion, merchandise them, all under complete control of the labels marketting department, right down to the lyrics.

Hell I had a buddy that had a deal with virgin and he had to fire his whole band because the label said "everyone but you is 2 years too old". im serious. He had to find new guys that could play his material that fit what virgin's marketting department found as "markettable and viable".

so what does this mean? it means the sync button in dj software isnt whats watered down music. the label executives and their marketting executives made a point to do that, very purposefully. so blame the corporate suits for music becoming watered down. not the sync button.

what the sync button does mean, is it means turntableists are going to have to step up their game. it also means youll have to be less abrasive bezzle. youll have to be play better sets, be nice to people, promote yourself harder, and be the guy every club owner wants to associate themselves with. you'll have to be that nice guy everyone likes.

because if you dont, the kids that do ONLY rely on sync, you can be damn sure they'll do whatever it takes to get gigs. so you'll have to be nicer, have a better image, but at the end of the days. a dj's actual skillset will become the "icing on the cake" so to speak. or the deal closer in the face of that competition.

sync wont have anything to do with it. its just brining more poeple into the game.

knuckle up

the cream will always rise to the top.

You sir, are in for the response of your life.

Y'all thought that I WAS GOOD for quoting people's short stories, and addressing each issue....

I hope we have enough bandwidth to facilitate the response....

If Cablevision raises my rates because of this thread, I'm comin' for my money....

actually that whole rant sounds just about right - the (major) labels are desperate to maintain their foothold in their completely out-dated business model any way they can.

That's the problem when you have a creative based industry that's been taken over completely by suits and finance guys who don't know anything about art - same thing has happened in hollywood...

1) it's all about the bread son.
2)do what ever you need to do to get it
3)the more you have the better it is
4)you can never have enough bread.


Serato created a product that makes them money, adding features to attract NEW buyers is what they do.You want it, you pay for it, therefor making Serato $$$$$$$

thats all it is.

Sync is coming, imma still put bread on my table with or with out it.

If we could have forum signatures. You'd be in mine.

+1

Now, that's what I'm saying.

I saw the hawtin video I can do everything he's talkin about with sync. Its called loop roll I can take things in and out of time and fuck it all up like he saying and then bring it back in time. Yep sounds like loop roll to me what he's doing. I really need to post a video so yall dont think Im jus talking junk

ok apparently a lot of you guys havent seen a traktor minimal dj play.

ok you got 4 decks.

youll load 3 decks with tracks you know you have different loops setup as cuepoints already in. you play one track, bring loops in and out while using effects to basically make your own song, then load up different loops to transition. stop playing the 1 full track, bring in another full track, then repeat the whole process.

its really creative and a lot of fun to do. i swear minimal was almost designed to make it as fun as it is for a dj. but its kind of its own thing.

i love minimal. i love playing minimal.

but i think for the kind of set a minimal dj plays. i think the bridge allows you to do more, and do more creatively.

that said, richie's giging rig, he uses 2 macbook pros. 1 for ableton, 1 for traktor pro, both midi clock synched. hes also running maschine (although he pretty much only uses it for hand claps to anchor his "signature sound" throughout his set. midi clock synched as well.

but i still think for what it does, the bridge does it better.

sadly, no minimal dj's are using it that i know of. (i hope to go someone jumps in and shows me a minimal bridge set. id kill to see one)

once they release the bridge for itch, i'll be using it for my minimal sets.

heres an example of what im talking about.

its a 2x4 set but its exactly the same process.

Watchwww.youtube.com

correction, thats a 2x8 set

Never got into it that much, but can definitely see the talent used to create the soundscape.

i wouldnt say its talent. but its using dj software more as if it were a step sequencer.

like i said, its kind of its own thing.

my favorite 4 deck video is this old one from B33son

Watchwww.youtube.com

that shit was gay. They looked super homo bouncing and blending house and twisting those heavy ass knobs and pushing those faders around. Not impressed

sigh....

calling minimal house music is like calling linkin park hip hop

The simple answer is that a sync button is not a professional feature. Serato Scratch Live is a professional software - so it should not have a sync button.

It would be like adding an automatic transmission to a professional race car.

as far as 4-deck minimal sets go, nothing beats Jeff Milligan. And the dude is doing that all without sync... hell, it's all done in absolute mode...

Watchwww.youtube.com

So therefore scratch live is the only profession DVS software.... since its the only one without sync..


NOT!

i want as many people as humanly possible to post in this thread.

uh no, the other "pro" softwares added a non-pro feature

Its like when Ferrari came out with automatics for dumb blond arrases.

Who the hell is QBert?

So...if it makes you better at what you do then use it.


How does a button that does something FOR you... make you "better" at what you do? You're not doing anything at all

LOL




LOL @ Everytime I see someone say this, clearly you haven't taken a look at the Dj world as of late.

I wonder who gets paid more a gig, Jazzy Jeff.... or Pauly D?

(I honestly don't know the numbers, but I'm sure somebody else could tell me.)

people hire him because he does talk show circuits, was on a highly rated reality show, is constantly on tv. like it or not. hes got unbelivable exposure.

he could just put on an ipod and stand there waving his hands and his crazy guido fans would come out in droves. all of those guido types also are known for their heavy drinking and unbelievable bar tabs.

so when he brings that kind of crowd to a club im sure the owner goes "i dont care if he doesnt play music and just jerks off on stage. i want a new mercedes and tonight those freakshows are going to buy me two of them tonight"

In other words, "the cream DOES NOT always rise to the top".

no but your out of context bad example would love for that not to be true.

hes 1 exception. in the 90's it was super dj dimitri who was famous for putting on dat tapes while faking his sets.

those examples arent the exception. theyre con artists.

i dont mean to give you a "finding out santa isnt real" moment again in your life. but there are deceptive, scheming, dishonest people in every single hobby, profession, charity, and religion on the planet.

growing up sucks doesnt it?

are* excpetions

Xtianw:

You "argue" like a true Karl Rove Republican.

carry on...if only for your own self-amusement...

lol@DJMark having to grow up.

ahh, marginalization when you lose a debate.

kind of a fail tactic imo.

oh and im an anarchist. and im proud of it.

not that youll have any idea what an anarchist is, but carry on.

OK!

quick question i asked earlier, since DVS hit the game and made it easier than ever to be a dj has the rates of djs gone up or down??

You gotta love the Serato forums. From such a insipid thread comes all these posts. Off topic, surreal and sometimes stupid posts all because Q made a half assed remark about auto sync. Ill just shrug my shoulders, untrack and move the hell along thanks.

I dont see whats there to not understand. 1st i never said they have to do it to stay competitive, i do understand that they WILL and that its comming, and i understand for THEM its a good business decision, their business exists to make a profit not further the culture i love. For them the best possible scenario is to make DJing so easy and accessible that ANYONE who picks up the product can do it and sound like a superstar. I understand this, now considering i DONT WORK FOR SERATO their business interest and my own don't have to coincide, their best case senario (that EVERYONE can be a superstar dj by buing their product) A) waters down the culture, B) destroys the business by over-saturation. A premium service only stays premium as long as everyone cant do it.


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I dont see whats there to not understand. 1st i never said they have to do it to stay competitive, i do understand that they WILL and that its comming, and i understand for THEM its a good business decision, their business exists to make a profit not further the culture i love. For them the best possible scenario is to make DJing so easy and accessible that ANYONE who picks up the product can do it and sound like a superstar. I understand this, now considering i DONT WORK FOR SERATO their business interest and my own don't have to coincide, their best case senario (that EVERYONE can be a superstar dj by buing their product) A) waters down the culture, B) destroys the business by over-saturation. A premium service only stays premium as long as everyone cant do it.


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This is what im saying i see happening to clubs, clubs make money when people hear what they want, so all of the DJs here saying they will never play travis porters make it rain or a lil ___ young__ song are standing in the way of that. Automize the process and the owner can take someone who dosent give a shit about what DJing SHOULD mean and have him play all this garbage day in and day out on repeat




already there pimpin, bitches love me

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is the skillset is just the icing on the cake...ITS WATERED DOWN CAKE




How so the sync button affects turntableists the least



more people in the game = flooded market, flooded market = wages go down


i dont see whay thats so hard to grasp

plain and simple the sync button absolutely needs to go you should learn the art of mixing if you cant get that you have no business DJing at all all it does is bringing out these fools undercutting other professional DJs

fu@k the sync should have kept it professional Serato u screwed it up. keep Virtual DJ and other programs for the low quality undercutting wanna be DJ with that software

You brought up a 3 year old thread for that? Cool story bro.