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Graphic designers....inquiry.

tig ol' bitties 4:01 PM - 9 March, 2007
Whats up.
I got this logo type thingy this dude made for me.
i60.photobucket.com

The thing is I think I only have it in JPG or GIF format...would anyone be able to take out the dj b eazy part and replace it with something else?
I emailed the dude who made it but he hasnt responded yet.
it would be much appreciated.
Releaux 4:11 PM - 9 March, 2007
As you already guessed, the best thing will be to get the original designer to change it for you, but if you can't get in touch with him, what you're asking isn't an impossible job, just not optimal.

Is that the largest version of the file you have? If you have one that's bigger, it will make things a lot easier and better quality.

Replacing the lettering wouldn't be terribly difficult, though that lens flare complicates things a bit. Another flare would have to be rendered over the new lettering and matched as closely as possible to the original. You might notice some imperfections in this if you look closely.

Also, would you need the same lettering style or do you have something else in mind?

Finally, if you do get in touch with the original guy, make sure he gives you the source file (assuming you're paying for this). You wouldn't accept an MP3 as a master from a producer and you shouldn't accept a jpg from a designer. =-)
tig ol' bitties 4:20 PM - 9 March, 2007
sup thanks.

Well the dude was supposed to send me a CD with it all, but i moved and it never got to me.
I never had any use for it so I never asked about it. I emailed him a second ago regarding re sending so I am just waiting on that.
I have others that dont have the flare. I believe the actual jpgs I have are bigger, this was just shrunk for purposed of photobucket.

the lettering I could care less about as long as it looks fresh haha.

if you can help it be much appreciated man.
thanks again
Releaux 5:33 PM - 9 March, 2007
PM sent.
Dj KaGeN 5:40 PM - 9 March, 2007
gettin jiggy without the needles on the vinyl...

Tigo is an IPOD DJ !!!!!
Releaux 6:21 PM - 9 March, 2007
Maybe he's psychic or telekinetic or has one of those laser-needle things...
tig ol' bitties 6:39 PM - 9 March, 2007
yeah. i got skills. hahaha.

Releaux emails coming homey
DjWoody 9:17 PM - 9 March, 2007
Thats a quick fix. What do you want to replace the text with?
Likwid 9:25 PM - 9 March, 2007
Tig, did you get that done from Sean Kernick? looks like his work. Do you mind me asking how much it cost?
tig ol' bitties 9:34 PM - 9 March, 2007
yeah sean did it...

I think originally it was goign to cost me like 200-220 but he took a while to get it done so he knocked off like 25 bucks, so it was somewhere in the vacinity of 175-200 i cant exactly remember...
tig ol' bitties 9:35 PM - 9 March, 2007
I think it was a pretty simple thing for him to do. ALot of the stuff on his site is alot more detailed and just plain pimp, so I am sure if you wanted something more extravagant it would run you quite a bit more.
Likwid 9:35 PM - 9 March, 2007
Yeah I inquired about prices after lookin at his portfolio but I couldnt justify $200 for a logo, although I know most will cost around that much.
tig ol' bitties 9:38 PM - 9 March, 2007
Yeah. I dont know anyone with that much talent so I had to bite the bullet.

I drop 200 bucks on some silly shit, so I guess this is one thing that will at least last me a while thats how i looked at it.
Likwid 9:40 PM - 9 March, 2007
Maybe I'll just save your logo, change the name at the bottom (since I know how after reading this thread), darken the DJs skin colour, and call it mine, lol.
tig ol' bitties 9:41 PM - 9 March, 2007
HAHAHA! go ahead...

thing is that actually does look like me, so if you resemble it go right ahead LOL!
tig ol' bitties 9:45 PM - 9 March, 2007
oh yeah, and you'd prob wanna blank out the SOX sign on the hat..haha...unless you realize they the bomb!
Likwid 11:00 PM - 9 March, 2007
Haha, I'm out in the Chi, so you just did me a favor.

Nah I'm playin tho, I'm not gonna jack your logo.
SpinThis! 2:17 AM - 10 March, 2007
haha lens flare... how did that get popular? everytime i see one, I cringe.

photographers work their asses off to make they don't get them in the first place and here designers think it's "cool" to put them in.

cool art nonetheless though...
Releaux 2:23 AM - 10 March, 2007
The effect originally became popular because it was one way for a photoshop artist to make things less "fake." It was a technique and actually took a decent amount of skill to create and understanding of how to use it appropriately.

Then it became a plug-in and, along with the "fake diamond-studded everything" filter, 10,000 stillborn rap album covers were brought into being.
SpinThis! 2:36 AM - 10 March, 2007
in the right place, any effect can look decent...

actually you could say the same with any of the photoshop plugins. you can tell when someone's just getting started using it... and you'll see their art rife with emboss, bas relief, etc.
Releaux 4:34 AM - 10 March, 2007
I'm a sucker for a nice drop shadow. ;-)
Dj Kimozave 10:52 AM - 10 March, 2007
Good day breddren. I made sum changes to di design that was posted above... Here's a sample... i170.photobucket.com . Lemme know if anybody wants me to put their DJ names on it and use it as a wallpaper or anythin. :-) Jah bless.
Releaux 9:20 PM - 10 March, 2007
Kimozave,

Since Tig commissioned that graphic you might want to check with him first about re-using it.
smutek 11:32 PM - 10 March, 2007
That's not really a logo. It's more like an illustration with some type dropped in below it. More suitable for a tee shirt, sticker, etc. but not really suitable for a visual identity.

A logo should be able to be reproduced at any size, in black and white or color, and still be instantly recognizable for what it is.

How will that graphic look when it is shrunk down and printed one color on a business card? What if you want it embroidered on a skull cap at one inch by one inch? How is it going to look on letter head when it is faxed? Or on a cheap flyer that's been photo copied at kinko's?

A logo should always be designed using only black and white first. No gradients, no half tones, and definitely NO effects. This means no drop shadows, no lens flare, no bevel and emboss etc..

It should be (in my opinion) sketched on paper and refined as much as possible before a computer is ever touched. Once a solid concept has been developed only then should it be scanned in and drawn out, black and white, in a vector art program such as adobe illustrator. In my opinion photoshop should never be used in logo creation.

Do you see any bevels or lens flares on the serato logo? The Ableton logo? The Nike "swoosh"? The Adidas logo?

Look at Ecko's Rhino mark, simple and striking. Perfect example of a well executed visual identity, and one of my personal favorites. It can be presented in a variety of ways, and since it has built up brand equity it can be presented with or without the word "Ecko" and still be recognized for exactly what it is. It can be built up into a more realistic rhino, or shown as basic one color art. You can see it is a tag on jeans, sneakers, on a shirt, embroidered, screen printed, on the web, watches, wallets, records, etc. and as soon as you see it you know it is ecko.

Now compare that to the art at the top of the page. See the difference?

I think the problem is that anyone with a cracked copy of photoshop can throw a drop shadow on some type and call themselves a designer. Don't get me wrong, I am all for people learning, being creative, and having fun, but there is a big difference between that and charging people for services.

Do you think a company like ecko, or serato would hire someone like Dj Kimozave, or the original artist at the top of the page, to design their logo? T

hen why would you? Obviously you don;t have the scratch to dump 10 or 20 thousand dollars into your visual identity, but if you are serious about it, and you must be because you paid that cat $175, you could really gotten more bang for the buck by hiring someone that knows what they are doing, if you know what I mean.

I'm sure there is a community college or university with a design program near you, you could put up some flyers and hire a design student. With a hip, youthful, urban subject matter as the theme you'd probably get a ton of hits. Ask to see some of their work first to get a feel for the type of stuff they do, but I am sure you could get something much nicer and more usable.

When Philip Knight was a college student he hired another student in his school to design a logo for his new company (Nike) he wanted to launch. There he met Carolyn Davidson, a graphic design student, who was working on a drawing assignment in the hallway. Knight offered to pay her a couple of bucks an hour if she would do some design work for his small company.

She came up with this:

www.nike.com

He paid her something like $40 for what was to become one of the most recognizable logos in the world. (she was handsomely reimbursed years later, after nike blew up, with a fat envelope of nike stocks. She never disclosed the dollar amount, but she did say she was able to live a comfortable life as well as put her children and her grandchildren through college with it...)

Anyway, I'm not knocking the art or the cat who created it, I'm just saying its not a logo. If you are going to do it why not do it right ya know? Just some friendly advice is all.
society 1:32 AM - 11 March, 2007
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That's not really a logo. It's more like an illustration with some type dropped in below it. More suitable for a tee shirt, sticker, etc. but not really suitable for a visual identity.

A logo should be able to be reproduced at any size, in black and white or color, and still be instantly recognizable for what it is.

How will that graphic look when it is shrunk down and printed one color on a business card? What if you want it embroidered on a skull cap at one inch by one inch? How is it going to look on letter head when it is faxed? Or on a cheap flyer that's been photo copied at kinko's?

A logo should always be designed using only black and white first. No gradients, no half tones, and definitely NO effects. This means no drop shadows, no lens flare, no bevel and emboss etc..

It should be (in my opinion) sketched on paper and refined as much as possible before a computer is ever touched. Once a solid concept has been developed only then should it be scanned in and drawn out, black and white, in a vector art program such as adobe illustrator. In my opinion photoshop should never be used in logo creation.


You're totally right. Not to knock tig's logo--I truly hope it works for you, man--but from a technical standpoint, smutek's right.
Osiris 4:07 AM - 11 March, 2007
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That's not really a logo. It's more like an illustration with some type dropped in below it. More suitable for a tee shirt, sticker, etc. but not really suitable for a visual identity.

A logo should be able to be reproduced at any size, in black and white or color, and still be instantly recognizable for what it is.

How will that graphic look when it is shrunk down and printed one color on a business card? What if you want it embroidered on a skull cap at one inch by one inch? How is it going to look on letter head when it is faxed? Or on a cheap flyer that's been photo copied at kinko's?

A logo should always be designed using only black and white first. No gradients, no half tones, and definitely NO effects. This means no drop shadows, no lens flare, no bevel and emboss etc..

It should be (in my opinion) sketched on paper and refined as much as possible before a computer is ever touched. Once a solid concept has been developed only then should it be scanned in and drawn out, black and white, in a vector art program such as adobe illustrator. In my opinion photoshop should never be used in logo creation.


You're totally right. Not to knock tig's logo--I truly hope it works for you, man--but from a technical standpoint, smutek's right.


As a designer myself, the above 2 posts are correct. I would try to get my money back if I were you Tig! A general rule of design is-- the simpler, the better. Photo images are not used in "real" logos... Ever! And to use a photo along with a poorly rendered (rasterized...WTF...) illustration in this manner is just tacky and poor design.

Logos tend to be 1-3, and usually no more than 3 colors. The colors of the logo should reflect accurately between CMYK and RGB. CMYK for printed use, and RGB for online use... The colors should be accurate in all mediums. It can suck something awful if you have this nice logo all neatly done in RGB and it looks great on your website, and then when you take it to print, all of the sudden, your reds or are brown or your blues look purple!

Seriously... Try to get your money back! Not dissin' you Tig... I would most certainly diss this designer though!
Dj Kimozave 7:22 AM - 11 March, 2007
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Do you think a company like ecko, or serato would hire someone like Dj Kimozave, or the original artist at the top of the page, to design their logo?


'Ey Mr. Genius. I have no plans of being a designer. I was just playin wit the design and tried to change it a lil' bit just for fun. And I just said i can put any body's DJ name on it if any body wants to use it as "wallpaper", not "logo". Any way I have my own logo... i170.photobucket.com . No body's claimin here that they're the best in design so no need to hate. If you think you're a better designer, then that's great but just keep it to your self. If that's the way TIG wants it to be,spend his own money and he's happy with it, let it be breddren. Mind your own business. If you are mad or jealous wit the designer of his logo...well scratch your balls on the wall coz we can't do anythin bout that. He's got his own business so let's just mind our own business. The saddest part is after dissin the design,the designer and the cutomer, you'll say at the end that you ain't knockin anythin? Hahaha. Funny. It's like after crumpling a piece of clean paper, you gonna say "just get another paper but it's up to you if you still wanna use that paper I crumpled, anyway it's still good to write with." :-)You can suggest but not in that kind of way breddren. Dang! Why are there so many peeps who thinks they know much better than everyone else. Yeah, I know there's gonna be lotza answers to dis coz as I've said...there are lotza genius peeps. Take note, I'm just havin fun here breddren. Jah bless.
Dj Kimozave 8:08 AM - 11 March, 2007
By the way...one more thing Mr. Genius...I ain't asking for any payment if anyone else wants they're name on that design I customized. Thatz for free and just for fun so don't be too serious bout it. Here's a free one for you and let me know if you want to put some other names on it or maybe your surname on it... i170.photobucket.com . There you go, I also followed your instructions to use only black and white. Happy? :-) Lemme know if you change your mind and wants the colored one, just holla at me. Jah bless.
Cham 8:56 PM - 11 March, 2007
.ai or .eps format is what you want for a logo. That way it can be used in any size without quality-loss.
My opinion on this artwork is besides the point but the guy who made this is not a designer.
smutek 12:30 AM - 12 March, 2007
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.......Mr. Genius..........


Wasn't nothing personal against you Dj Kimo, just a bit of constructive criticism. Apparently a bit over your head but no worries man. Sorry if it seemed like an insult.

salam a lakem brother.
smutek 1:51 AM - 12 March, 2007
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My opinion on this artwork is besides the point but the guy who made this is not a designer.


I checked out the artists website. The piece on this page definitely doesn't do him any justice that's for sure, but he's got some pretty nice illustration skills. Some of his work is strong and some of it isn't so strong, but he's definitely got an interesting style and a lot of potential as far as illustration goes.
tig ol' bitties 4:24 PM - 12 March, 2007
well first off,

whatever. All i asked was for some to change the name. I didnt need opinions on what people thought of it, if I did I would have titled the thread, "heres my thing what you think".

I have no gigs and I am still in the learning process of my "dj career".
I dont intend to use this as "my logo" (when I am good enough and feel as tho I deserve a logo to identify myself, i will get one). I technically use it for strictly myspace essentially.
Paying 200 bucks I could give a fuck about. I blew 450 bucks this weekend on red bulls and vodkas so for me to spend 200 bucks and have a nice little design to represent myself on myspace or whatever, its gravy to me.

I had someone redo it for me, and he did a dope job and didnt question it at all.

Smutek, I understand all your points of whatever but honestly theres no reason to say shit about my shit, or anything on the dudes page. He was a nice guy, obv he's got some skill if all the big named rap artists go to him so yeah.

if you feel as tho you could design me a logo by all means do so, but thats not what I was asking, and not the replies I was intending on getting when I posted this. I am sure if I felt like spending 500-1000 bucks on this it would have come out in a lot more detail such as this...seankernick.com
but I just wanted something simple and to the point and an identifier. I am vain so thats why I wanted something like this...

peace
dj cubicle 4:31 PM - 12 March, 2007
man, that dude's work is hot.
smutek 6:10 PM - 12 March, 2007
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Smutek, I understand all your points of whatever but honestly theres no reason to say shit about my shit, or anything on the dudes page. He was a nice guy, obv he's got some skill if all the big named rap artists go to him so yeah.

if you feel as tho you could design me a logo by all means do so, but thats not what I was asking, and not the replies I was intending on getting when I posted this.
peace


Right on man. Understand I do this sort of stuff (graphics) for a living, so I naturally look into it a little more. I did try to be constructive in my response and regardless of how it sounded it really was meant as friendly advice.

As far as the artist goes, like I said above, I did check out the cats website and, for what its worth, he does have a nice style and good work in my opinion.

Anyway, absolutely no disrespect meant to you or him.

peace and best of luck bro

~smutek
tig ol' bitties 6:12 PM - 12 March, 2007
no doubt I figured you must have some sort of back ground. its all good to me mayne, to each his own...since you got the skills might be hittin you up soon for a real logo tho..hahaha